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Cold Blooded Conversations: Blue Zombie Morphs
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
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Welcome, everybody, to another edition of Cold-Blooded Conversations. Thank you all for tuning in tonight. I have a special guest tonight, Vance, from Blue Zombie Morphs.
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Good evening, Vance. Thanks for coming on the show, man. i appreciate it, dude. No problem, all a sudden. I know I always hit you up when you guys do your podcasts and everything else. Get in the chat box when you guys are on. I was like, man, I can't wait to get these guys up on That's fine.
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Yeah, definitely. It's good to be here, man. I thank you. I appreciate it. Hey, no problem. Like I said, I thank you for coming up and stuff.
Vance's Reptile Passion Origin
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And, uh, well, uh, one of my main questions for you, and I've asked you guys in the chat, all of you, everybody, Sammy and all the guys, Ken and all that stuff. Um, what brought you to this hobby for your, your passion for this hobby, man, to, I'm going to hit you with it right off the rip. Yeah. So, geez, man, we got to go back a long time ago, actually. So I've been doing this long time. Not actually the breeding part. I've been breeding for a few years. But as far as keeping reptiles, that goes way back like 35 years ago.
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So back when I was like eight years old is when I got my first reptile that was an iguana. um Well really what got me into it though if we even go before that was like Jake the Snake Roberts.
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just i was into wrestling and seeing that big snake man that burmese just was really cool and so we had um when i stayed at at my mom's house um my parents were separated at my mom's they had ah one of our neighbors had a big old burmese python just a normal colored face and so i seen that huge berm you know just like jake the snakes and i was like man that thing is so cool man like I just, the size is impressive and it's just a beautiful snake that brown and gold and you know, blacks are just nice.
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So, um, when I was eight years old, my mom got me my first reptile and iguana when I was, uh, 10 is when I got my first snake, uh, was a red tail boa. And then I ended up getting a berm after that.
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And then i got, ended up getting a ball python and just so forth. So, just with all the different reptiles, you know, just been into it for years and always been interested and intrigued by it. So um yeah, fast forward, like back then, you know, I wanted to
Early Breeding Challenges
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breed as a kid. That was something i always wanted to do, but I knew that I would never really, it was hard to do at that time, right? Because you didn't have the internet and things like that. So without having, you know, morph market and ways to sell snakes, you know, you really only had
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ah store So it was really difficult. And being a young kid, you know, I just, i really.
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Here we go. This is what he was talking about. We froze. People didn't want to share that type of stuff. You know, they're really just kind of. don't know. We have, yeah, I've seen little bit of a problem right there. So with not having all that effect and it made it very difficult. And now we got more market, the internet. So we have all kinds of ways, you know. And so um basically I've known that I wanted to do it my whole life. um When I was 20 is where I was kind of pushing that I really wanted to do it.
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But I didn't end up actually starting to breed till I was in my late thirty s Um, so now, you know, finally getting there, uh, have a couple going on my third year, you know, breeding and everything. So, uh, the second year didn't work out so well. I had a couple females that I bred, but one of them, she ended up, and she never even had the clutch. And then, the other female, she had six eggs, six of them were slut or excuse me.
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She had six eggs, three of them were slugs, three um looked healthy, but when I checked them, there is actually no veins to them. So it was kind of just like a bad year. Yeah, it really hit hard. So this year I'm going pretty good.
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I'm not doing a lot of clutches, but I'm looking at, there's about six pairings that I'm looking at that
Current Breeding Projects
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I'm doing. And I'm probably, I'm assuming four to eight clutches, you know, maybe four to six is where I'm going end up. So What's your main problem what's your main project on your Bald Pythons you work on, man?
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Oh, gosh. um So i love, like, I do a lot of recessives and codoms. um With the recessives, I'm i'm working pies, typos, clowns, puzzles, desert ghosts.
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um I've also got some rainbow that I'm working. seen some of those on Marf Market, man. They Some of those, there was guy, he's from Canada.
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It's not Billy. It's another one. He's got one that's done the rainbow done into the pie. Yeah. he's He's trying to work into the pie, and I'm like, what? Yeah.
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Yeah, it's ah it's an amazing gene, man. The rainbows are very beautiful. It's like an albino, basically, or lavender albino. it just To me, it's got a little bit more of the the oranges and you know purple hues to it. It's got a little more contrast. so It's really nice. It's expensive, too. I definitely couldn't afford to just dump out $3,000, $4,000, $5,000 on each male female.
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oh male and or female or just for one. So I just went the het way. So I'm doing a het to het, which was still a little pricey, but you know a lot cheaper than you know obviously getting visuals. but um yeah With the co-domes... I'm sorry, go ahead.
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No, you're fine. I was going to say, I noticed something that's really caught my eye the that I kind of got into. i Balls of Fury, about three going on three years now,
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I bought one of his male clown mahogany's that he had. I really got into the clown. I like the clown pattern and stuff. I mean, I've been in been a around reptiles since I was a little kid, like majority of us.
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i had I had Steve Irwin and everything else. And Yeah, Aya, I'm going tell you right now, 3K for a snake is actually on the cheap side, to be honest with you. And Vance can vouch for that. so But no, I mean, I had to, i had you know, you had just i had my we had the Steve Irwins and stuff. I mean, he was my big always go-to.
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Me being here in Ohio, you know, I had the garter snakes, you know, occasionally king snake every now and then we got in. And everything. So, I mean, it was cold. And, course, go down to southern Ohio. You get down in the area there in the mountains and shit.
Ohio's Reptile Regulations
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Oh, yeah. That's where I fell in love with the rattlesnakes and stuff. You know, that's one of my venomous that I've really studied into.
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But with everything here in Ohio now, because of that big ordeal we had back in 2012, which was known as the Zanesville Massacre,
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it ruined keeping for venomous and stuff here in Ohio and other animals like berms, anacondas. um They want insurance policies, no less than a half a million dollars just for keeping anything over 10 foot long for snakes here. If you're not a zoo or a nonprofit organization for your private collection. Yeah. That's crazy.
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Pretty expensive insurance policy right there. I mean, Well, then in every, you're allowed up to, for Venomous, going through the agriculture and everything else, you're allowed three, either the of the Vipers, Vipper Days, and and then one of the, like oh, there yeah there's my dude.
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What's up, buddy? Johnny, this is Vance. Vance, this is my co-host, Johnny. Vance, good to see you. Hope everything went good with your next- How's it going, Johnny? Nice to meet you. Go ahead. But they ah they want a million dollars per snake insurance policy.
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Plus, you have to have their rules are even more strict than Florida's rules on your building and everything else in your enclosures for. You have to have triple doors.
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You have to make sure, of course, like any venomous room, snake proof, you know, no escape or anything else. But they want three entryways. So you got to go three three through three locked doors just to get into, say, your area that you keep venomous. But they want at least a million-dollar insurance policy per venomous snake you keep.
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i was like, wow Wow. And it used to be people – That's wild too. That's perfect.
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That's personal. Yeah, and and what's crazy is that you know that it's so expensive, the amount of money that they're wanting, but like you said, that's not even just it. It's like per a snake that you're paying that. so Yeah, because I was doing my research.
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That's crazy. that Yeah, I was doing research because I, you know, just doing the studying, everything else, and I got a buddy that's local to me about
Handling Venomous Snakes
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45 minutes away. He actually is a Former UFC referee, Mark McCartney, he ah goes down to West Virginia and stuff. he was sending me videos of showing the proper handling, you know, with the tools and stuff. He goes down and to his cabin and relocates rattlesnakes and shit, man. And he really made me fall in love with him even more.
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And then, of course, following Chandler and, you know, Tyler and Nolan and those guys on YouTube, especially tyler ah Chandler with his stuff. um Yeah.
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But yeah, I mean, that that was that's one of my dream snakes is I i want to speckle. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Big John McCarthy, huh? yeah yeah so
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Yeah. I love Venomous, man. um When I was a young kid, um i mean, even now, don't get me wrong. Yeah. you know, as an adult, it's something that I really want to get. They're very, they're very, i mean, being venomous, right. It's, it's dangerous. So it's one of those things where you've got to be e e very experienced and willing to not, if it's going to happen, when it's going to happen and you really got to be on your guard and as fast as it's not for me, but I definitely respect people that do that, you know,
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Oh, yeah. I mean, it's... And and the thing of it is is especially when they get into the Alapids with the Cobras and, you know, the Taipans like Chandler and those guys are keeping... Dude, you're messing with a lightning bolt in a freaking split seven with the...
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with those snakes those venomous snakes, and he makes the shit look easy. And it's like, but no, it's not easy. i mean, especially in his videos with his clothes, how he slows it down.
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I mean, he's mere, it not even inches from getting hit again. Yeah. oh
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Oh, yeah, That's something, even with just a regular... blu snake, you know and especially if the bigger the snake, you know it's it's definitely messing with one of those things, man. That thing's really going to make me sweat. I'm going to feel the heat and everything going throughout my body, man.
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That's just that. I just want to play with one those. You're playing with a 12-foot king cobra that can turn on a dynamon and and yeah catch you off guard in a split second. It's like and No thanks. I'll enjoy them from a distance. I'll enjoy them from a distance. Even with looks like with rattlesnakes and stuff you know and your gaboon vipers and those things, you it's not when they're going to strike, it's when they strike and it usually always catches you off guard. But they're very beautiful freaking animals, man. i'm not love them. Yeah.
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if It's a beauty where it's safer to enjoy. Yeah. And that's the thing. I wish that I could sit here. and
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yeah Right. Yeah, exactly. Definitely want to keep the distance in there. oh yeah oh guys Like I said, those guys make it easy. And I mean, you got the grand grandfather of a mall. I mean, Tom Crutchfield, I mean, he makes shit look like.
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like good Father Time never touched him when he's handling his venomous stuff. it's It's just, I mean, that's just the experience. Like you said, to have this stuff, it takes them years. And i mean, it's cool to see that. But yeah, i just I just figured that was, you know, something neat to see about that stuff.
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um So now you your co-doms you were working with, sorry, since we got
Impact of Steve Irwin
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off topic, my fault. Yeah.
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Oh, no worries, man. i I actually love talking about everything. So that was fine. Like I could have went on that subject for a long time too. Oh yeah. It was like, you could be all you know, you were talking about Steve Irwin and all that, you know, yeah right.
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Definitely. Yeah. It's one of those things like, um, like Steve Irwin, you know, and how you're talking about all that, you know, I mean, those guys are all, um, Brian Barczyk. Those guys are all, uh, people that I used to watch back in the day.
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Um, of course I was in like my, ah twenty my you know, by the time YouTube was around and bar checking them had like a YouTube channel. But I remember being back in my 20s, you know, watching those guys and everything back at snake bites and things like that. So it was always cool and watching like the Discovery Channel and everything. And, you know, Mikey, it's a snake, you know, watch out for the anaconda. and Oh, yeah. So it was always really cool. And I, you know, love that guy so much. man He just brought so much enthusiasm to everything. I mean, that's what I loved about it. He did. like
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And that's why people fell in love with stuff and didn't understand. And he made them understand it. That's what I mean. yes ah Oh, yes. Here, I've got a quick one. Absolutely. really and His love and passion for it, right, which is oh god amazing. um There is actually, yeah, there is people out there that do have facilities specifically for doing that anti-venom on the animals. yeah um There's one in Kentucky, believe it or not, the Kentucky Zoo.
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has a facility that they have on the zoo property that is strictly for the that purpose, is doing the anti-venom. And Joe Pittman helps down in Florida with Snakebite Institution.
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I've got one of his nice packets of the whole Vipar Day, anti-venom and what to do when you're bit with any of the viper family stuff. It's great information, very educational.
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They're another one that... does a lot, but I follow ah the Kentucky Zoo because I do have a whole facility dedicated to all the exotic venomous snakes, even Gila monsters.
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They've got stuff that they're doing for cancer research with the venom from the Gila monsters and the beaded lizards, which are another cool, cool animal that another million dollars to have if I wanted in one in Ohio. So it's like, God, can't win for nothing.
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Absolutely.
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But yeah, like we were saying, Steve Irwin, man, just his passion. made you could not You could not fall in love with that guy. I'm sorry. My, at the time, 60-year-old grandma, we always looked forward to his thursday Tuesdays and Thursday nights.
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When I got, should you come into the house, we're watching we're watching the Crackle Dial guy. and i mean, she fell in love with watching it and everything. So at the time, when I was growing up,
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That was cool. That was our Tuesday and Thursday night deal. An hour to two hours of watching Steve Irwin. So I wanted to do that when she was alive. yeah You had to watch that with grandma and stuff.
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Oh, yeah. That's awesome, man. memory right there That's something to to cherish cherish and remember. And that's the fact that she don't like snakes because she grew up down in southern Kentucky where dealing with copperheads on the farm and rattlesnakes all the time when she was younger and stuff. they didn't Like she said, no the only reason she don't like them is because back then she wasn't properly educated on them like she was in her older years. She goes, but I still don't like them, but I'll stay away from them. Right.
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back That's pretty cool though. She still watched it. yeah yeah She watched Jack Hanna. I mean, anything that, this you know, like you said, Discovery or National Geographic had animals on it.
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I was getting the phone call on the dial-up phone. My mom, your grandma wants you over at the house. Animal shows are on. go do do now We'd be heading to grandma's to watch animal shows with her. So, I mean, it was cool.
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Oh, yeah. Nice. That's pretty cool. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
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But yeah, to but that there he is. What's up, Will? I was waiting for him to jump in. Yeah, he was actually, Will was on the first comments on here while it was before we started.
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Nice. Yeah, that that's awesome, man. That's my ah my co-host right there for the Gene Wars that we have on Friday. So you glad to have him in in here.
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In fact, yeah, today's... I'm sorry, what was that? i said I'm body came in and everything. yeah It's nice to have the people in that I i get to shoot the shit with in the chatterbox when I'm watching you guys on Friday night. so Yeah. yeah um and it's It's nice, man. We appreciate all you guys coming out and everything all the time watching and supporting and stuff. so um Like I said, it was awesome to jump on here with you guys. you know I know the show's just started. It's not over yet, but it's definitely nice to jump on here. and Oh, yeah. Like I said, I appreciate it, man.
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yeah yeah sha me i'm gonna come sharing our passion dude yeah and that's exactly it what i was gonna say when it comes to talking reptiles and hanging out with awesome people man that's what i like doing you know so yeah johnny down here actually when he while back he uh actually was in the leopard geckos big time man ye so oh nice i did some uh breeding around with the morphs of them yeah Oh, hell yeah,
Johnny's Gecko Breeding
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man. I loved it. Not only are they, you know, one of most docile varieties that I've come across, but beautiful. mean, you get some beautiful variations out of them.
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Oh, definitely. So you don't do it no more, huh? no i I had a main breeding pair there. they're wrong. I had some other ones, but I had a main breeding pair that I really kind of got attached to. And After that, don't mean to sound sappy or nothing, but it really was kind of emotional toward and for me, and I kind of just ended it there.
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Right. Yeah, Understandable.
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i There was a ah guy... So this was like... Gosh, this was like 15, probably 18 years ago. Honestly, this was like early 2000s.
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um Me and my wife, this house we had, there was um this guy, he had some ah ball pythons he was getting rid of. And he was over here kind of close where I am, but he was in the Navy at the Lemoore base. And so he what what happened was he was getting rid of his whole collection.
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um but or actually I'm sorry, there another guy there was actually two. This guy that was in the military, he had to get rid of his whole collection because he was being shipped out.
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But another guy I got a snake from, he was, he used to, I asked him if he used to have all pythons and he said, yeah, one time, but he had gotten one and it wiped out his whole collection so he had never gotten back into it and like he wasn't like too far into it but he's still that was like i think 10 12 snakes that he had so i mean still you know to lose that's a pretty good kick to the you know stick yeah man oh yeah of course I definitely could understand the hurt and not wanting to, but it would be hard for me, even though I would be hurt, man. I would try to push through as best as I could and understandable get it again if I could. But yeah, I understand two people not doing it. You know what I mean? That definitely does hurt, man. Especially when you got really nice stuff going and you put so much time and money and energy. And it's like, dude, that just ripped my soul apart. Like, that ripped my soul apart.
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Well, just imagine some of these guys. Could you imagine, like, with Kavoka down there Canova and shit, if he lost some of his main bread and butter, I mean, that he takes pride in? Dude, with what he what he produces, that there be, like, a nightmare if something happened to his collection that he has. I mean, he's got some amazing shit, though.
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Yeah, I would i would definitely – I mean, i put it this way. I would, I, off of what I have, the things that I have, and I have about 25, 27 snakes, somewhere right in there.
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I don't have a ton, but the stuff I do have is pretty nice. And I've got a lot of really nice projects I'm working on. I couldn't imagine losing the money and and what I've got, you know, my projects, like it, it would tear me apart where It would be hard, man. i I'm not going lie. It would be really hard to sit there and try to regain all that stuff again. It's it's a lot.
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and That's like some of our our people in our community that's been had some misfortunes here over the last few years. you know some yeahs Losing their collections and stuff.
00:23:51
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Indeed. and which had well and We've had a few close in our in this in art and his tight-knit group that I've come to become friends with. They've had some illnesses and stuff that come up and everything else, you know, that kind of hit the collection hard.
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And I mean, they had some some high dollar well done stuff. And I mean, they they're plugging away. Some of them are starting from scratch.
00:24:17
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And was thank God for our community coming together to to help them get back to where, you know, somewhat to where they were. But I mean, these guys, the couple that I know of, that they lost some They lost a lot of animals, not only the bald pythons, but one of them had, I think they had a couple, ah they did some colubrids. think they had a they had a crop monitor that was in one of the ordeals or something like that, too. I mean, they had a nice variety, but they were mostly like mostly known in our bald python world at the time, but they still had these others because in of their passion for it.
00:24:56
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And a misfortune happened in and they lost almost all ah of them. It's one of those things. Yeah, that's unfortunate. um And like you said, over the past few years, seen quite a bit of people that, like you said, that ah that's happened to really be fires or...
Struggles in Reptile Keeping
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or whatever um family things that have came up in life or whatnot. you um But lately I've been seeing a lot, man, just like you said, over the past few years, but over the past, I'd say couple months, but even the past like couple weeks, I've been seeing like numerous people, like I'm selling my collection. There was just another person today. In fact,
00:25:38
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um there's you like five I found on more i found on morph market, five of them selling out their collections. I'm like, yeah. And that's just what you found off more va morph market. And I've seen like another five or seven just on Instagram. So, I mean, yeah there's a ton of people right now, like one person i just seen, and this is another unfortunate situation. Like I really feel bad for people like this.
00:26:01
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So this guy, um, Just literally a week ago, five days ago, he sat there and was talking about how ah he has to do the you know what he was never expecting to do um that his landlord.
00:26:16
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yeah, I've seen that. Yeah. Like, do that poor guy. yeah like do that for i I feel so bad. and He's been in the game for quite a while, right? Like eight, ten at least.
00:26:28
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you know If not, maybe more. so It sucks to sit there and see somebody that's got so much time in the game and then now because of a landlord, hey, I've got to get rid of my stuff when they're not hurting nothing. They're not hurting nobody at all.
00:26:40
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In fact, helping this guy probably survive possibly where he lives with you. Well, the thing that it was is I looked in, I seen that on Facebook and I And people were talking about, too, last week on the podcast where that came up and it was like... And the bad part is the guys lived at this place for almost 13 years doing this stuff, building this up. And now all of a sudden, it's just kind of weird that it happened all of a sudden. The landlord wanted to be a douchebag.
00:27:12
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yeahp absolutely Yep. So, but yeah, that just sucked. that and and that And that broke my heart when I first logged into the, and it was on one of the, the ball Python beginners thing.
00:27:25
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Somebody's like, yeah, I've seen this on another page and I was reading and I'm like, you gotta be shitting me. At least my landlord where I live at, he knows I have what I have. He goes, you're good. He goes, I got my, you know, I got the renter's insurance in case. I said, but he goes, it's not like you're keeping a crocodile or anything. And I said,
00:27:46
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No, I'm keeping four bald pythons, three beardies, an iguana, my son's ah red slider. I did have a Toke that we had.
00:27:56
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He passed away a couple weeks ago. We got him as a rescue. Hell, he was an adult wild cock that was given to us. And my wife, that was her best friend.
00:28:07
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Nobody else could get him out, nothing else. I mean, he would tear the fucking piss out of you. Toke is going to be nasty, man. third After constantly working with him and everything else, he'd crawl all over and everything. And it's like, she's like, I was like, i eventually i can get you. I'll get you another one. She goes, it ain't going to be the same. I'm like, yeah, I know. But still, I mean, for what you did with them and stuff. I mean, that's. Yeah. and convert Yeah.
00:28:36
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the the quote You got to an alligator as a turtle, man. Yep. Right. Yeah. Oh, yeah. yeah and that was a And that was a rescue deal. I've only bought, out of all my reptiles, I've bought three.
00:28:53
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Everybody else said we had a friend of ours actually was part of a pet delivery for all the local pet stores and stuff. I ended up with two of my bald pythons from her, that Toe K, um my crimson red Well, Green Iguana had a Crenson, Tom Crutchfield Iguana that I have.
00:29:18
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He's a big boy. That's my dude. Given to us because when the stores reject them for delivery, they just take them back to the warehouse and leave them to die.
00:29:29
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She goes, I knew you guys would take them. I said, hell yeah, give them. Yeah, absolutely. I was like, give me them. But i got I got one of my normals. The last steak I got from her, it actually got out in the delivery van and just sat on top of a bunch of boxes back there.
00:29:47
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Oh, wow. yeah her husband Her husband was driving the van because they worked together at the time. And she goes, here, I brought you a present. It's in the box in the bag. I opened it up. And I mean, this girl is every bit. She was overfed.
00:30:03
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I got her down. She's decent size, but she's a normal. And yeah, the only thing I got more money in is my equipment and supplies and everything else than I do in buying animals, unfortunate for unfortunately. i mean But I've been been looking at more and kind of going to lean. I was leaning towards the Bulb Python thing like you guys got the idea. I've got...
00:30:29
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ive got i it's i love I love the hobby. It's a passion, but I'm enjoying it more right now at the moment as having them as my pets where my kids get them out, we get them out, and they do to their thing, each individual.
00:30:45
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But I do eventually want to get into breeding, and I know it's a full-time thing. Main thing that's me personally that I've seen that's real costly is the incubator.
00:30:57
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That's the thing that kind of I'm like, whoa. Even for a decent one, I was like, wow. Yeah. that What you can always do is make one yourself, too. That's what I am didn't have $1,500 to out. so i just went they had a a mini fridge that I've had for like shit probably about years now.
00:31:19
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and it went out after a few years and i was like well, man, I don't want to just throw this out. And I was like, you know what? I know I'm going to get in, getting into snake breeding again, or you know, eventually doing it. So I'll just keep this. And I kept that thing for years. And eventually I got to my breeding and I, all I did and was just go get some heat tape and, um, uh, or some flex watt, uh, uh, the heat tape. And then, um, yeah, the other stuff, the ducting tape, and then drill a hole the holes and you're good.
00:31:50
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Like it wasn't much. So it saves a lot of money, but you can even still get one off like Craigslist or something or even like a liquor store gas station, you know, be like, Hey, do you guys have an old one or something?
00:32:01
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And they'll probably just even give it to you or just sell it to you really cheap. I didn't even think of that. Well, your answer on that, I've kind of into... I like the desert ghost, but I'm more into the doing like clown. I want to get into like clown pides. I'd like to get do desert ghost clown.
00:32:26
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um Even just working with desert ghost and hypo, even if it's not clown. I just I like that. Those jeans. um But I've but I've also been doing my homework on them.
00:32:42
Speaker
It's any more, it's come down to the preference of the person. I mean, I've seen how, especially since COVID, where everybody and their brother wanted to become a ball python breeder. It's say it was it's just one of those things. It was like, holy shit.
00:32:58
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But no, I mean, I'm into all kinds of genes, but my favorites, honestly, is like the Desert Ghost and the Hypo. And I like the Mahogany. on One of my other ones I really drew interest into, and it was because of Kevin McCurley, is Doing the, having his, doing the chocolate and, o I'll tell you tomorrow.
00:33:20
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God, it's one of his off the wall jeans that he did. So. Shoot, I'm trying to think right now. But it's got chocolate in it and something else. And it's like, he's got so many different jeans he freaking did. But this thing was gorgeous. i mean, I was like, damn, I want one of these.
00:33:38
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Yeah. Yeah. Chocolate's a really nice gene too. Yeah. There's a, right now is a really good time to get into it, man, because you can get stuff so cheap. So you can get something pretty cheap.
00:33:52
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Look, if you want to get it like a two or three gene stacked animal and get like another two, three gene stacked animal, there you go. You know, you can get into stuff really cheap. So right now is the time to get into into it. It was the odium. Yeah, there we go.
00:34:06
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Thank you, Will. Odium. the The Lucifer was... I forget what else it was. But the Lucifer is another badass gene badass snake that he created himself, too. Yeah, both those are really nice genes. I actually wanted to get one of those.
00:34:21
Speaker
And the thing is, is he's got i found I've got... five of them saved just off of the nerd page that he's got for sale that he's actually it's damn near to the point he's giving them away for it and it's like dude that'd be sick if I had the space for it I'd love to have either the either one of them I mean just to have that gene to work with throw a desert ghost or hypo in with it that'd be badass ah ye and for three to five hundred bucks there you go you can get one um
00:34:52
Speaker
I found here it's Lucifer and a Fire Morph cross. The thing looks beautiful, man. It's got a little bit of black circles on it and it's mostly got yellow on there. Oh, nice. Absolutely beautiful. Heck yeah, man. Yes, Will, you are right. It's what your passion... A lot of people, and you guys have talked to this on your podcast many a times, and I love it because... And even with Canon stuff, too, and everybody in that everybody else...
00:35:21
Speaker
It's your your passion. Everybody's got into it. They thought it was some of these people got into it and you can vouch for it, Vance. They thought it was a quick money grab. It's not actually, like they're like, Oh, we're going to do this and make a bunch of money.
00:35:34
Speaker
No, that's not how. first absolutely and not feel Like you said, I mean, a lot of people did that think that it's a ah get rich quick scheme, you know, and that's just not the
Misconceptions in Reptile Breeding
00:35:46
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way it works. Like, um,
00:35:48
Speaker
There's a ah feed store that I go to. In fact, I was just over there today. Great people. I have nothing bad to say about them. In fact, I give them a shout out all the time. um Houston feed store.
00:35:59
Speaker
But they're so if anybody needs to get some some ah rat food or whatever, dog food, a hit them up. Pine shavings, whatever. They got all that stuff. Rabbits, rats.
00:36:09
Speaker
But I'm. They, the, one of the brothers that works there was telling me he, or was asking me, he's like, cause he's been wanting to get into snakes. Cause every time I go places, I always brag about snakes. I'm like, yeah, you know, I'm a snake breeder and try to show them off to people, you know, and get them interested in it.
00:36:26
Speaker
And a lot of people are really interested, even if they don't like the snakes still, you'll get a lot that they're like, Oh, that's nice. You know, I like that or whatnot. Mm-hmm. Well, the one brother, he's like, Hey, um, I was really been wanting to get into snakes. And so I talked to him every time I go in there.
00:36:42
Speaker
And then, so like the next time I see him, I'm like showing him the morph market app and I'm like, yeah, check this out. And I'm showing him this desert ghost, maybe hypo something, $20,000 snake.
00:36:54
Speaker
And he's like, I like that. And I go, yeah, it's nice. And he goes, man, he goes, that makes me want to go get a couple and get into it. And I was like, and I know, and I know he's really into the snakes, but I was like, okay, here's the thing though. I don't want to see you just get into it for the wrong reasons though. Like don't think that you're just to drop that money and and it's going to make you money.
00:37:14
Speaker
You've got to sit there and there's a lot to learn about this and you got to get your foot in the door. So Before you you you need to start out slowly, you know what i mean? And see if it's even for you. I wouldn't go blowing all this money because, again, you're not going to turn around and make the money that you're thinking like that.
00:37:29
Speaker
It doesn't happen. Well, another good good example of, you know, a lot of years. Kavoka, man. I mean, he's got...
00:37:41
Speaker
20 some years and in this game that he's been working with, you know, and he's had help from the community, but he's just kind of he over the years, all these years of experience, he stepped his game up to bring these amazing snakes.
00:37:55
Speaker
McCurley, before it was big time, he was ahead of the game on that stuff too. Yep. Absolutely. What's up, Mr. Morse? Thanks for tuning What's up, John? How are you doing, brother?
00:38:10
Speaker
But yeah, these guys, and the thing is, these guys, are people don't realize the history, like with Bar Check, all of them. yeah They've got years and years of this. They started the bottom like everybody else.
00:38:24
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this This is where it comes back to your passion for doing this, fed them and kept them going, not just because they wanted to make money. The money was a bonus to these guys.
00:38:36
Speaker
absolutely i mean And it's funny because, excuse me, a lot of people want to sit there. I mean, i don't want to say a lot. There's a lot that loved Ryan. was You know, he's a great guy, but there was quite a few, um excuse me, people that didn't like him and wanted to bash him too.
00:38:56
Speaker
And it was just unfortunate because it's like, well, and some of these being reptile breeders and it's like, yeah, but Why do you who do you think paved that way for us? Like the reason that we know not to go and put, say, for example, don't go do a live feeding. Right.
00:39:15
Speaker
Because it's going to be bad. The reptile community, the outside community and all that's not going to like it. And then the reptile people obviously know that he that's going to come you're hear that part from him.
00:39:28
Speaker
So he paved that way and he had to, you know, he didn't know that some people were going to go crazy and get mad. So he paved that way for us. So it helped, you know, to where we are now. So.
00:39:40
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, honestly, if it wasn't for him, we would, nobody had ever been able to have that pinstripe gene or anything like that. Right. He basically took a damn loan out to bring some of these snakes over.
00:39:56
Speaker
to introduce and Kevin was the same way and everything else. We wouldn't have this stuff in our genes and stuff of our ball pythons if it wasn't for these guys doing their thing.
00:40:08
Speaker
And yes, Will, you are correct. He was a basement breeder for a long time. Tell you not hope But yeah, I mean, that's the thing. is ah It is. It's one of those deals, man. it's not a It's not a quick quick money grab like flipping cars or stuff everywhere. Right.
00:40:29
Speaker
The reptile hobby is a different game. It's, it is it's literally a, it's a passion. You, you've got to either be 100% committed or don't do it at all.
00:40:40
Speaker
That's the thing. When you get into the breeding side of stuff, you have to be committed fully. Absolutely. Yeah, it's true. ah You got to keep your head in there. I mean,
00:40:52
Speaker
Justin, I mean, you could sit here and say, okay, well, he's you know he's got people that work for him and and do this and that now. but still he has to have his head in the game and he's still thinking of some of those readings pairings that are being done and it takes that that you have to have that love and knowledge for it if you just you can spend all the money you want and get nice stuff if you don't have that knowledge and you're not up on things you're not going to be anywhere you go anywhere right you're just it's gonna be nothing so you need to have that knowledge and that love for it
00:41:26
Speaker
And another good prime example that's really come up, and I'm proud of him because he followed Brian, good friends with him, no from Always Evolving point Python. Yeah.
00:41:40
Speaker
The man's got stacked genes on top of stacked genes that he just keeps making badass snakes to bring out new stuff or to, yes, he is making money off of it, but he he loves what he's doing because He's got where he's learned over this time.
00:41:58
Speaker
The genes is what makes, you know, he wants to make a beautiful snake. Well, hey, I need five genes in this one to, with this one, to get what I want to come to or even make a head of it.
00:42:10
Speaker
And that man's got four or five heads in a female or a male before he gets even close to what he's wanting. yeah And Billy, Billy, up at Mutation Creation, same way.
00:42:24
Speaker
Batman's fucking, the heads, those guys are stacking some badass, powerful genes to create gorgeous animals. Yep. Absolutely.
00:42:36
Speaker
And that's the way to do it, man. Just keep stacking stuff, you know? It's like, Well, it's recessive ah recessives or co doms. You want to sit there and get them stacked.
00:42:47
Speaker
You know, it's like I've got a good amount of recessives that I'm working, but a good amount of co doms. And I'm trying to sit there and get these co doms stacked and, you know, even get those supers going and everything. So there's there's there's quite a bit to it. I mean, you know, it's like you were talking about earlier. It's do what you love. You know, you got yeah What genes do you like? That's the path that I would take. It's not what everybody else is taking. There's a race. See, there a lot of folks are trying to get to the front by passing a lot of great combos by doing. So, yes, Billy is doing it right. lifestyle for
00:43:25
Speaker
Exactly. It's not a race. look Yeah, look ah look how long it took him finally to get his when he finally hit the monsoon. Look how long he was working to just get the monsoon gene.
00:43:37
Speaker
That was one of his primary goals. And I mean, that man from watching him with the YouTube stuff when he was him and when Austin was still with him and then he finally hit that first monsoon. He was like a little kid in a candy store. He's like, this is what all my hard work paid off for. oh yeah.
00:43:55
Speaker
Yeah, it's true, though, because I mean, You know, some people sit there and say, well, the the ball python market's dead. Well, no, it's not. There's still, there's so many genes out there and so many different combos that haven't even been hit. I guarantee you there's two, three genes combos that I could think of that people haven't even done yet.
00:44:13
Speaker
And so it's not like There's snakes. Okay, there's stuff that I'm going to have in the next year or two that I want to hit. But there's things that I want to hit that I'm not going to have. i already know for five, seven, ten years, right? It's going to take multiple breedings and for babies to grow up. so And multiple. So, I mean, yeah, it's definitely, it's not a race. You got a this is a long haul. So, just take your time, be patient.
00:44:42
Speaker
Like Will said, and you just said, It is not a race, but yes, there is people out there. They think that they got to, and that, and that brings me up to a point on that too, that I did.
00:44:54
Speaker
I've seen on a lot of the channels that um they stress it, especially like with Billy and stuff. um What's your take on people power feeding when it comes to breeding season?
00:45:06
Speaker
I personally think that's kind of a hypocritical in a way, depending on what it is. But what's your take on that, Vance, on the power of feeding when it comes to breeding season, especially with your females?
Feeding Practices and Ethics
00:45:19
Speaker
So, yeah, power feeding. um i know I mean, i don't know. I guess maybe everybody's got their there take on what power feeding is, but I mean, I don't personally power feed. That's not my thing.
00:45:36
Speaker
um I feed them. I'll give them a good size meal, and I do that every, like, 10 days, for example, for an ah an adult. Obviously, if it's a baby, it's going to eat you know a sooner, but...
00:45:51
Speaker
um like adults won't eat, but every 10 days, um, enough time to digest that food. And my meals that I give them are the, either from the width of the snake's body of the thickest point to maybe,
00:46:07
Speaker
15 to 30 percent bigger than the the snake at most. I don't go real crazy. it's just a little bit bigger. um And that's all I do.
00:46:17
Speaker
I'm not trying to sit there and get a bunch down there. That's i was like my my three, well, two of the out of the four, the the one I got off of Ball's Fury, I've got him on large mice right now. you know yeah like every seven days for him because the body size.
00:46:40
Speaker
Now my big female, I i will do, i usually with her, i give her a decent size medium rat about every 10 days.
00:46:52
Speaker
And then the other two, they get medium rats because they're, you know, they're three or four years old, but they're not the medium rats just, Just perfect for them right now. But yeah, my big girl, I give her every 10 days a medium rat. I don't go over.
00:47:07
Speaker
Now, if the medium rat's a little smaller, I might throw throw a smaller you know small ratr meet small rat or something in with her and let her have her prison thong.
00:47:18
Speaker
But if it's a decent size like I get them and everything else, usually I get them from my local pet store. So that's personally known. And they hook me up. So they usually got pretty good ones.
00:47:30
Speaker
and But yeah, that's how I do mine. But yeah, I've seen on some of the channels I follow, there's a couple that I couldn't actually follow because they power feed. They're like feeding within six days and then or sooner, they're double like they're double feeding. And it's like, why? And they never explain why they do it. That's the part that drives me nuts.
00:47:52
Speaker
Yeah. So... I've talked to a few people like, you know, I guess everybody has maybe their own reasons kind of why they do it, but kind of why some people will do it is they feel that they don't want to do a big meal they want to do smaller meals and so they will they'll sit here and feed their snake and i know some people um a couple that have done it like every day they'll feed their snake a little one or like every two days or some being every three days yeah um
00:48:31
Speaker
I mean, I guess whatever works for them, but personally, I wouldn't do the everyday thing by no means because that rat or even two days, i mean, that's, you're not even giving time for the other rat to digest, right? No, you're like overfeeding them. Yeah, it's taking like 10 days for that rat or for that snake to actually digest that, that meal out of it.
00:48:53
Speaker
So you don't really need to sit here. There's no reason for you to give that snake another rat beyond before 10 days. Um, It's kind of like humans.
00:49:06
Speaker
There's no point in Johnny or me, any of us, right? To sit here Wally, to have a bunch of of protein, a ton of it or or anything for that matter.
00:49:20
Speaker
um if we went and had 80 grams of protein, it would absolutely do nothing for us. Like you might intake the 30, 35, 40 grams of it and your body use some of that, but it's not going to use up the whole thing. It would just be a waste. So you're just wasting, you know, the snake's time and everything, energy into that. It just, it's not one And the other thing is, is the digestive systems aren't like,
00:49:46
Speaker
ours and plus with us like you were saying too much protein though and everything or certain things we take in too much of we can screw up our digestive systems just as well as bad part with snakes is is the regurgitation they get overfilled they're just going to puke that right back up and it's going to mess up their stomachs and everything else so Yeah, that's, and that's actually, to me, that's really worse.
00:50:13
Speaker
I never really liked watching a snake regurgitate for a few reasons. It's a waste of food, money, and it stinks. But I look at it also as a little more dangerous in a sense that rat went down one way by that snake taking and eating it.
00:50:27
Speaker
Now it's having to kind of regurgitate and those nails and everything kind of come back. So, I mean, there's a few things wrong with that. Um, it's just pointless. So why sit there and overfeed that? And I've, like I said, I don't overdo my snakes. I do go up to maybe 30% bigger than the width of their body. Um,
00:50:51
Speaker
But I've never, only once or twice have I had a snake regurgitate. And it wasn't even, I don't most, well, no, there was once or twice that the the rat that I had got from the pet store was a little too big.
00:51:06
Speaker
But ah ah the other few times that it had done it was just for one reason or another, right? It wasn't really necessarily that the rat was too big. So snakes can handle it. They're definitely...
00:51:19
Speaker
You know, some people are worried about the snakes throwing up too, like, oh, well, they're gonna regurgitate. it's too big. No, you can you you can give that snake, you can be like this round and give it a big old beefy rat and it would still be fine most likely.
00:51:38
Speaker
I'm not saying do it, that's a little too big, but you know, so people don't have to worry about that. Because I know there was somebody the other day that had that problem, that issue also.
00:51:50
Speaker
Right. But yeah, and and Will's right about that. That stomach acid, that unlike us, we can deal with it in a couple of days. How that could take day weeks or months just depending on how bad the regurgitation was for that. I mean, yeah, there is. it it is it's ah It's crazy to see. And I mean, I've seen actually watching Chandler's show one time.
00:52:15
Speaker
One of his rattlesnakes actually regurgitated that right after feeding and stuff. For some reason, it ended up... I'm like, dude, that's crazy. But yeah, you're right, because it's tearing up that it's tearing that lining up, bringing that back up, like you said already. so Absolutely.
00:52:37
Speaker
Yeah, just more stress on it and everything. It's just... it's kind of like if you were sitting here and you were, if you had a snake, say a baby that wasn't eating and you had to assist feed it um and not force feed it, assist feed it. If you had assist feed that snake, that baby snake,
00:52:54
Speaker
you don't want to give it a little small like something too small that's half the size of its body you want to give it something that's actually like the width of its body or at least close to that size because that stress and everything that that snake is actually going through as you're assist feeding it is quite a bit and it's taking a lot more out of that snake So if you're going to sit there and give it something, don't give it just a little tiny dose. That's not really doing nothing for it.
00:53:24
Speaker
Give it something like the width of its body and that will actually be your your best bet. that's And that's what I do with the one I got now. He's only, he's only like I said, a couple of years old that I got.
00:53:34
Speaker
I make sure I don't give him nothing because, I mean, he's got a decent little bit of size. He's got some size to him, but I still don't want to take that chance of, you know something happening because he's not like my other three adults that I have that you know are a lot older and can withstand it. so like With him, we kind of stay right there about the large mouth size and everything else for a while.
00:53:58
Speaker
um I'm gonna i got one getting one tomorrow. I'm going to try a small rat and see this feeding around, see how he does this time around, depending on the size the small rat that they've got.
00:54:11
Speaker
Because where I get them, the pox I get, I usually get a variety. du There's like three or four small small mice, small rats. Then I get it with the medium rats for the others because they let me do a mix and match at the pet store.
00:54:26
Speaker
um But, yeah, I'm going to try this time around and see how he does with a small rat depending on the size of it. If not, I'll stick with the large mouse and everything else. What's up, Corey? Thanks for tuning in, man.
00:54:40
Speaker
So you you go and buy your own rats or instead of breeding? Yep. Oh, yeah. i going I go spend my time and kind of stock up. There for a while, I was actually ordering by the box and stuff from Cold-Blooded Cafe and stuff, and then then it just kind of, it was a little easier for me to just go to the pet store real quick and grab a few that I need when it comes time to have and instead of having and all that in the Opening the freezer and stuff and going bad or something, getting frostbite. So I just went that route with it. it's
00:55:15
Speaker
The medium rat I'm paying my pet stores like $6 a rat that I get because I buy usually six of them at a time. So they cut cut me a deal on them. Normally they're normally there are like $11 a piece, so they knock about $5 off of them for me.
00:55:31
Speaker
Oh, wow. Yeah, that helps out a lot, man, getting that good discount. And that's the thing, right? I breed my own luck. I'm going to, I didn't have to actually, last year was the first year I didn't have to buy no rats at all.
00:55:44
Speaker
Nice. This year though, I think starting off the year now, I think I'm actually going to have to go get some. um I've got to do a couple of things and and get some, get rid of a few that I have that stopped breeding and get things back in gear a little bit.
00:56:01
Speaker
um But yeah, I'm going to probably have to buy some, but there was a place that I was going to before and they were wanting like, she wanted 625,000
00:56:10
Speaker
plus tax and which killed it because like i dealt with her for many years always like bought snakes from her um and these were she was a a rescue supposedly she wasn't really rescue all she did was she took yeah she took in animals that people couldn't take care of and she just sold them at her store like She's not really around. Yeah. she yeah she's left the thing is there that you get it Instead of spending 20 bucks, you, you, uh, spend $2 in gas, pick it up and you know, you make money. But yeah, she was charging like six 25, but man, it was like, it wasn't just smalls that I'm paying for.
00:56:48
Speaker
it was like anything from basically pinkies, hoppers all the way up to smalls. I was paying six 25. And then after that, if it was like a medium or a large then it went up even more but yeah it was like 625 man just for a pinky or a fuzzy or a hopper and it's like i man that's crazy with the but all the babies and all my adults and everything that i gotta feed there's no way like i gotta be able to sit here and breathe my own Right. no and I mean, it's if you've got the space and able to do it, I mean, i more power you know to be able to do it. But yeah, for me, for having just what I have, I mean, it makes sense. But yeah, when you guys are... Yeah. You got over... you got over I look at it, you get anything over 10 snakes, if it's more feasible to start breeding colony. That way you've got the access right there to yourself, so...
00:57:41
Speaker
Absolutely. Even if you did it partially, like you had to buy half of them still, at least, Hey, you're still saving a little something, you know, but yeah, like you said, if you got like a small amount, like I did for the longest time, I didn't need it when I had five, seven, 10, it was like, once I hit like 10, it's like, okay, I'm going to ahead and start getting this going. But before that it was like, well, I'm just going to buy them. I mean, there's, you know, kind of wished I would have started them still just to save some money, but yeah.
00:58:08
Speaker
right that's Right. I mean, it is. That's the thing. And it depends on where you're at too. And yeah supply, if you're doing like I do, it just you know supply and demand like anything else.
00:58:20
Speaker
If you only got one, one supplier for the rats, guess what? You're going to need them. You're going to pay what they want for. Absolutely. so it's like One of those deals.
00:58:32
Speaker
For sure. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty wild, man. I've actually, Will, I've actually looked into actually trying to get some ASFs because I know Cold-Blooded, she has them there and everything else that you can buy.
00:58:51
Speaker
I've looked into getting some, of try those too. The ones I got right now, um so far they've been doing good, no problems. They're for the longest time. My my one male I got, he's a he's a special, and that's the gene his gene. and The bastard wouldn't eat frozen thawed.
00:59:11
Speaker
He'd only eat live. It took me almost a year to get him to finally go. And then that rescue female,
00:59:20
Speaker
I tried frozen thawed with her after I had her for two weeks and everything else. Wouldn't take. So i had to I had to be the butcher and buy a live and She only had to, I've only fed her life twice ever since then. They're all on frozen thaw now, but it was just that point it with my mail. It drove me nuts.
00:59:41
Speaker
I'm like, dude, it's right temperature. I did everything i needed to do And he just, he'd go right back in his hide. Like, Nope, I'm not touching this. you But as soon as I dropped the live in there, man, it was like, Holy cow, dude, you're pain in the ass.
00:59:57
Speaker
That's crazy. Yeah, there's some of some that just do not like want to go to the Frozen. they're just They're stuck on it. And a lot of mine did that. They did not like the Frozen.
01:00:08
Speaker
I had to finally do it because i couldn't there was no place to get live for a while. And so I was just having to like, okay, you guys have to eat because it's that or you know the other decision that you that's your guys' this problem if you don't, and I don't want to lose you. So I got started getting frozen. It was trying and trying, and I got a lot of them to go on it um for the most part, you know, got it down a little bit better and learning it.
01:00:33
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But yeah, for i I don't care for it. I always try to do live. That just works best for me. But I mean, whatever works for, you know, people though, too. I know. so It's just everybody. I mean, it's just a way to well the well, the mail, the person I got them off of found out I i text them.
01:00:49
Speaker
I said, how were you feeding them? Oh, we fed them live the whole time we had them. I'm like, thanks for telling me now. I'm trying to get them on frozen thawed. We spent almost a year to get him switched over.
01:01:03
Speaker
finally the um just you know and The bad part is is who I'm going to be honest right here on now. How I ended up doing it, it's crazy.
01:01:13
Speaker
I actually put a live in and had the frozen thawed and actually The live stuck in behind the frozen thawed and he took it. And after that, I pulled the live out and fed into my female.
01:01:27
Speaker
and he's And they've all been on frozen thawed since. So, I mean, i had to trick I had to trick his ass with the tongs with the live one just to get him to take it. And I was like, holy cow. Yeah, you got to do that sometimes, man. You got to play a little trick on him just to get him going.
01:01:45
Speaker
Yeah, right. It was just so frustrating because I'd buy... Was buying the frozen thawed and he's the one I ended up, you know, I'd have to give the female I'd wait Three or four days and give her the other one or I'd do both of them at the same time and not feed her for almost two weeks because I didn't want to overfeed her so she could digest But it just pissed me off because that was six dollars down the drain because he wanted to be a dick about it yeah Yeah, it's not cheap, man, when you when they don't eat them. there's And then that's the thing, too.
01:02:21
Speaker
Once you get so many, there's always like there has to be that one once in a while that just will take them out and they won't eat them. Now, that's very rare, you know, but still, it's like, oh, man.
01:02:35
Speaker
Well, could you imagine imagine these guys with these large collections where you have to balance in between that whole either frozen converting to frozen thawed, but you still got your breeding colony feed live every now and then.
01:02:50
Speaker
I mean, that'd be and be a nightmare for me, yeah and honestly. we're Trying to have them to figure out which ones and go back and look and all this and that. It's like, man, and i just want to feed everything all the same way.
01:03:06
Speaker
right Yeah. Maybe, don't even want to do that, but maybe one or two are different, you know, just random, but yeah. but yeah when you got a because And the reason I brought that up about that is because I watched where Billy and them struggled when he moved to the new facility with some of the newer ones that he was bringing up.
01:03:25
Speaker
He's like, yep, we can't do the feedings here for you guys because unfortunately they're little pricks and we got to feed them live, so we got to do this off camera. And he had like 80 of them that were like that, and I'm like,
01:03:36
Speaker
Dude, you've got hundreds of snakes, and here you've got a little colony of 80 that wants to be your stubborn snake while everything else is eating frozen thaw. yeah Absolutely.
01:03:50
Speaker
all right, another question I had for you.
Dream Snake Genes
01:03:53
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um Out of all your dream bipythons, if you could have any ball python out there, It don't matter what it is.
01:04:02
Speaker
Your dream ball python, if you had the money to buy it, what would be your dream ball python with the genes and everything? Oh, gosh. I don't even know.
01:04:13
Speaker
i hit you. I knew this was going to get you because I'm like you. There's so many to choose from. It's a lot. It's really hard. There's always no one. truly like I'm trying to think because I've almost got everything that I need to do on my projects. I'm literally just, you know, getting them together. Yeah.
01:04:35
Speaker
yeah So gosh, I don't know. Maybe like, you know what? I think if I had the money, i definitely would probably get like a ah scrambler.
01:04:51
Speaker
Ultra male Hypo Pite or something like that. Yeah. Of course, Will's going to hit us with the big time high dollar stuff right there with the Hypo Albino Desert Ghosts, Athanic Tiger Puzzle Combo.
01:05:10
Speaker
Yeah, buddy. That would be sick. Especially with the Titanic and Desert Ghost in there? o It's funny, too, because I was just talking to Will about Puzzle and the DG and Hypo, and then he was talking about, like, with the Albino and Xanthic and everything just the other day. that's pretty cool.
01:05:32
Speaker
mine Mine, honestly, i would I would love to have a Super Chocolate Desert Ghost Clown. I was going to say, man, the clowns are awesome.
01:05:44
Speaker
That is honestly a desert, even just a desert ghost chocolate clown. Yeah. It just, ah I seen one of those the other day on work market. That's a baby. And I'm like, Oh my God, there's my snake. I can actually visualize. I can see it now. Instead of just picturing it in my head, somebody did it. I'm like, there's my snake.
01:06:06
Speaker
Yeah, you can't can' ever go wrong with clown, man. And then with DG in there, that cleans it up really super nice. DG is a really nice gene. yeah with I've actually always loved Hypo and DG.
01:06:21
Speaker
um DG, it scared me away when I was hearing the DGABC shit. and then Yeah, I remember that shit going on, man.
01:06:32
Speaker
And I talked to somebody and they're like, I think it was Eric B. In fact, somebody. And they're like, dude, it's like 95% are all a, and then like 5% are like the L or excuse me. And I was like, all right, cool. I want to go ahead and get DG then. Cause I've always liked it. You know, that just scared me away. So I got DG in my collection now and I've actually got more DG coming, but.
01:06:56
Speaker
No kidding. Nice. so yeah Well, then then like you said, you throw that hypo in on top of that DG. Oh, my goodness. so saying And another one i another one I fell in love with, Justin and Miguel. I think Justin and Miguel has them.
01:07:14
Speaker
It's the Desert Ghost hypo lace that they did. One of those two did. That lace just makes that hypo desert ghost. Oh, wow.
01:07:24
Speaker
It just... e But yeah, the desert ghost hypo and anything, it it it cleans everything up, like you said, and it looks good. It's a sharp-looking animal. It's just beautiful. It is. It's very well sharp and clean.
01:07:41
Speaker
Yeah, can't ever go wrong with DG, man, for sure. and like and lace is a really nice jean, too, man. that's Lace is nice. So um there's quite a few combos out there, quite a few people working it. But I don't know. I don't think – I haven't seen a ton, so I think it's being slept on a little bit. Yeah, that lace is another one. That lace is actually another jean out there. Well, look how long it took before the Desert Ghost fucking took off. And now look at it. Everybody and their brother. Yeah. you know or they're jumping they're jumping on because i mean even just a desert ghost normal they're they're sharp looking but then when you start stacking those jeans and the combos together man it just makes it even more get the exact thing involved that looks beautiful yeah you're another one of those too huh i don't feel bad then so don't you're not the only sucker I like you a yellow belly too, man. So you yeah yeah yellow belly is definitely a must that that helps brighten it up too. And everything makes the flaming is nice. So yeah my the only bad thing that I'll say about yellow belly is that what the super formants just do. You got the all white snake, you know, you've got this ivory. So that's the bad thing. But other than that,
01:09:00
Speaker
yeah i put yeah I've got a lot. Well, I've got quite a few s snakes that got yellow belly, but there's stuff that I've got that's coming that has it's got yellow belly also. And then a lot. So a lot of my parents I got, I'm gonna have some yellow belly in there. I mean, you always got that.
01:09:16
Speaker
That's it does add a lot to it. Makes a big difference. Yeah. Well said. You got to be careful with that part. Yeah. Yeah, I would. But yeah. And I've seen just the.
01:09:28
Speaker
Just looking on Morph Market and the Desert Ghost, just the Desert Ghost and chocolate together. Not even having Clown or nothing else. it I like it. I mean, it's something i I'd like to do eventually myself.
01:09:42
Speaker
But yeah, I would love to have a Desert Ghost chocolate Clown one day that I would love to have. Because man, it just... ah Yes, like like I said, I can go to Morph Market and buy one, but it'd be cool to be able to eventually down the road produce my own and say, hey,
01:09:58
Speaker
I produced my dream snake. for hour it It really to sit there and just be able to produce you on stuff, man. Just go get the recipe for it, you know? Get this male and this female.
01:10:10
Speaker
um Get a like at least a a visual... Say get like a visual male clown and then heck female clown at least. So at least half your clutch will be... That's what nice what I've been looking into.
01:10:26
Speaker
I found... i I found a couple that I've actually got, which I was surprised on the prices on them. I'm just kind of leery on who has them because I've never heard of the names of them.
01:10:39
Speaker
They're, ah but they have a chocolate female that's Het Desert Goat's Het Clown. And I'm like, I wonder what it would be like to have with my clown head
01:10:54
Speaker
down the road and and i having a, something to build off of that too. I was like, hmm, that'd be an interesting and down the road. What did you say? hat clown what?
01:11:06
Speaker
i have ah I have a hat. My clown that I got off of Ball's Fury is a, he's hat mahogany. Nice. And I figured, and I, like I said, I found a couple females, but because I don't know the names, the people very well, they got good ratings, but they have the chocolate, a couple chocolate females that are Het desert ghost, het clown.
01:11:29
Speaker
And I'm like, I got the ball rolling. I'm like, hmm, I can get my mail up to size and get these up to size here down the road. I can have some het mahogany's and, you know, make some crazy stuff down the road with this stuff with having mahogany in it.
01:11:44
Speaker
ye see Speaking of that, there's the clown, right? Yeah. Have you all seen the mahogany clown? It looks nuts. It looks nuts. Beautiful snake.
01:11:56
Speaker
Yeah, you'd be set up pretty good, man, if you go that way. You know what i mean? That's what I would do. Look at getting it. Yeah. because then i have I'd be cool that way.
01:12:07
Speaker
So that's kind of what I've been going towards on the working on the back burner down the road. I mean, like got I got two of the most expensive hobbies besides having a family.
01:12:18
Speaker
I'm in the house and motor sports, man. So, I mean, what more could you ask Yeah.
01:12:27
Speaker
It's true. Like, so what I do is like everything that I've got, like, I would say honestly 99% of my snakes, at least that I got, I'm all happy for. I don't regret getting them.
01:12:41
Speaker
Um, there's maybe if there was one, it was really one that like somebody had given me and I said yes to. Um, but really, um,
01:12:54
Speaker
it comes down to like just spending a lot of time getting like thinking about the genes that you want and that you want to work with and like really looking and researching, like research that gene a lot and learn about it. But at the same time too, after you do that,
01:13:14
Speaker
when you look really look like, think about the snakes that you're looking at at. If you really want to get that and spend some time thinking. And that's what I did. Like,
01:13:26
Speaker
There's some I've been looking at for a while that I've been looking at for probably a couple months. And I just spent a lot of time still. and I was about to pull the trigger on getting one.
01:13:36
Speaker
and I was like, hold on, man, and just wait. And just give yourself a little bit more time, you know, and really like, is that what I want to do? And then finally, when I got to where i was like, okay, yeah,
01:13:49
Speaker
Now I'm going to go ahead pull the trigger and put that thing on a payment plan. Yeah, and that's what I've been doing since I've been looking because especially with doing the Desert Ghost and the chocolate. I mean, there's so many endless possibilities.
01:14:04
Speaker
Because I've been going through... That's one thing I love about Morph Market, though. You can get in there and start playing with the gene calculator and see if it tops up or something.
01:14:16
Speaker
And I did that with... Did that with the the desert ghost chocolate, you know, hat clown, you know, that kind of deal with the mahogany clown. And the only thing that ever popped up was a desert ghost clown mahogany hat chocolate is all that ever popped up on anything that somebody's produced. It's been put on Murph Market in the calculator.
01:14:42
Speaker
I'm like, huh. So I could eventually down the road have it where it's all those genes together as one and have something that nobody has. And it's something that I wanted in myself.
01:14:55
Speaker
Yeah. And that that's the other thing that's nice about it too the that I like to do. so
01:15:03
Speaker
I don't go like looking, chasing like combos, like, oh, what's this person? What's Justin doing? righter like miguil or Yeah. yeah like I follow those guys and nothing but respect for them and everything, and they have really nice stuff. But I'm trying to go my own way and do my own path. So what I do is I just sit there and i look at stuff.
01:15:26
Speaker
that the genes like i said that i want i get those genes and i'm like okay well what if i put this with this that would look pretty cool i think and then so i go to morph market and i go into the calculator and i put in those jeans and it'll sit there and like highlight it shows two different things you got one that'll take and show you the path of this person or whoever has done it on morph market, or it's going to sit there and not.
01:15:53
Speaker
And you're going to be like, Oh, it wasn't. That's like a world's first, basically possibly. Right. Maybe somebody has got it in their basement. Who knows? But so that's the beauty of like, you said, you can sit there and look and know exactly like, okay, cool. This hasn't been done.
01:16:08
Speaker
So that's, that's the beautiful thing about it. yeah you got Yeah, I mean, when you got you got access to that, and and especially with Darren setting it up, you know, it's a free app.
01:16:19
Speaker
It's act like me with parts catalogs and everything else, as my wife calls me it's my parts catalogs my car porn, while Morph Market's my reptile porn, you know, because you've got all the stuff you can go through.
01:16:32
Speaker
opinion it's just It's just one of those deals. I mean, I love it because... Like as you said, that calculator helps you out just in your ideas of what you wanted to do for yourself. Let's see if somebody, like you said, see if somebody's done it. And like you said, yeah if it don't show up, guess what?
01:16:55
Speaker
I'm going to shock the world. yep Hey, look what I did, and I'm proud of it because that's what I wanted, and nobody's done it. Absolutely. And then if it has been done,
01:17:07
Speaker
Who gives a shit? Just do it anyways, because it's still probably pretty damn cool. And then if you're able to see the picture of what it looks like because somebody's done it, that's pretty cool too. Like, okay, it does look awesome, but either way, yeah, I'm going to do it. So, or you and you can still put your own shit.
01:17:24
Speaker
Like you're still putting your own shit, right? I'm sorry, go ahead.
Creating New Snake Traits
01:17:28
Speaker
Or you could have that one where, yeah, you've seen the picture of it, but you produce one.
01:17:35
Speaker
It could have something cool. that sets it different than the other picture that you've seen. There's always something different about it. They're not all. Exactly. It could look completely different.
01:17:45
Speaker
So is something else going on in there? That's always a possibility too. Like maybe you, maybe you created something new. Maybe there's a new gene in it.
01:17:58
Speaker
You nailed that on the head. Yes. Between men and boys is the price of our toys. That is the truth. That is the truth. The price goes up more.
01:18:10
Speaker
the The older you get, the more expensive it gets. Yeah, right? there there goes that There goes that used to be dollar rubber snake turns into thousands of dollars as ah as a big boy.
01:18:22
Speaker
yeah or that 99 cent Hot Wheel. Yeah.
01:18:27
Speaker
Let me put a second out on my mortgage so that I can get some snakes. Yeah. right But yeah, i man, I mean, it's, it's awesome that, that what's out there though, that you can see that are people, and like you said, and to see what, like you said, Justin producing, I mean, these bad-ass snakes, but at the same time, they're creating these bad-ass snakes, but it's 15, 20 years down the road. It's not,
01:18:54
Speaker
Tomorrow it's not a year from now. It's not Two years from now. This is shit.
Time and Commitment in Breeding
01:19:00
Speaker
That's been Worked behind the scenes for years. Just like you said, there stuff man you When we got our stuff what we want to do it's and will It's not a race and that's why it takes so takes longer to do i mean, yeah, we could all be rich and have money and go buy everything that Miguel, Billy, and them and already have the shit they produced if it's something we wanted, yeah, we could spend the money and do it and be like, oh, yeah, I bought that because I bought it.
01:19:30
Speaker
No. When you get to put the time in and see your reward, how even if you were breeding and brought a normal brother normal, hey, guess what? I created that.
01:19:43
Speaker
Not this person. I didn't buy it. I put the time in and did it myself. So, I mean...
01:19:53
Speaker
But yeah, i mean, that's the thing the thing about this hobby. And it's like anything else. You got your bad apples. You got your good apples. You got your good communities, your bad people.
01:20:04
Speaker
um But I look at it with I feel fortunate that I'm in a community, the group that people that I've associated myself aligned with have been very helpful.
01:20:16
Speaker
um Help me be able to pass on some knowledge, especially on this since I've been doing this podcast now. If
Community Support and Learning
01:20:24
Speaker
it wasn't for guys like you, um me watching Justin, a bunch of them out there and everything else, and just learning and researching, I wouldn't have a show to talk about and be able to share what I know and have guys like you up here, Vance, and everything else and, you know, just – be able to share the stuff on the show with them to educate people that stuff I didn't know or Johnny didn't know. and yeah get everybody sort way It's different. Knowledge power, man.
01:20:54
Speaker
It is. And it it's funny because you learn something new every day. i mean, as long as I've been doing this for and and learned a lot of tips and tricks just on my own as a kid, like, okay, well this I got to do or that there's stuff that you still pick up that people you'll learn all the time. You know, it's like, Oh shoot. Okay. Like you could sit there if like you have a snake that's not eating and you in if you don't assist feed it, like you could kind of an assist feed, but it's not, it's you're basically, you're using yogurt and you got to use just plain yogurt and you sit there and give it like five cc's, you know, for like a baby. And it's like amazing stuff like that, that you learn and pick up, you know? So you're always learning something new all the time.
01:21:37
Speaker
yeah and And the thing of it is, is with the learning new, you got to have that open mind. It don't matter if it's in the reptile hobby, the motor sports,
01:21:48
Speaker
In general, you got to keep an open mind and surround yourself with the people that are willing to not steer you in the wrong direction. Absolutely. You're going to be a failure because they look at you as competition. You know what i mean?
01:22:01
Speaker
yep and And that's the problem too. Like the, for the most part, like the hobby is pretty good. I'd have to say there is a lot of great people in the hobby um and people that'll help you out a lot, but you'll have some of people too, that aren't as great in the hobby. So you just got to kind of pick and choose and learn over time and listen to some things, but not everything.
01:22:24
Speaker
um I've even had, or like I've had somebody sit there and tell me, well, you should sit there because I wanted to breed a certain snake with another snake that I had. And they're like, I wouldn't do that. I i would do this route. And I was like, well, thought about it. And I'm like, no, what you're really doing is just set me up for failure.
01:22:44
Speaker
Tell me to go this
Long-term Reptile Ownership
01:22:45
Speaker
route when I should have went this route. So you got to sit there and do and pay attention and just kind of what you feel is right. You know, sometimes you just got listen to your heart and just go that way. Don't listen to what others people people say as much. so a The longest ball python I know that lived that I know of personally and that's from watching was Brian Barczyk had a ball python that he had for 25 years before it passed away.
01:23:13
Speaker
so when When they say animals are commitment that especially in the reptile community yeah it's it's a it's a lifetime commitment especially if you get into the tortoises and shit like that outside of the snakes, you better have a family member willing to continue to carry on when you have the tortoises because they're going to outlive us. authority yeah take But yeah, snakes typically and usually from my research and talking with people, about 20 years usually is the average from what I've heard and found.
01:23:50
Speaker
It's about 20 years on a snake. But yeah, Brian had one that was 25 years old. It was the OG of BHB that he had. And it was a pinstripe, of course.
01:24:01
Speaker
One of his favorite favorite jeans. Beautiful. yeah if you If you get a snake, you just got to plan on 20 to 30 years it living. Yeah. ja
01:24:14
Speaker
Oh, yeah. But yeah, man, i like I said, couldn't ask for two more better hobbies to have. I've met a lot of great people. um And I've met i've met some douchebags that I had to learn the hard way down the road. I mean, it sucks because I felt like I wasted all that time with people. And yes, just yes i ah just like parrots and stuff, those things, with that yeah, thank they can outlive you. But yeah, you you've always got your bad apples. And the shitty part is those, you run into them where...
01:24:53
Speaker
you find it's sad that you find out later on, on you could be five, 10 years into it and then find out, well, I was wrong and I wasted, I feel like I wasted this whole time with this one. Actually, you weren't yeah there for me. So, yeah, but, but it is what it is, but yeah, with the snakes and stuff,
Interest in Burmese Pythons
01:25:13
Speaker
man, it's cool. Is there another one I wanted to ask if you didn't get into ball pythons, would you get back? Would you ever done,
01:25:22
Speaker
stuck with the Burmese breathing
01:25:28
Speaker
Yeah, to a sense. I would still like to do the Burmese breeding. i did though, it would just be a couple clutches. Um, I would say maybe in my lifetime, maybe I ended up doing 10, 15 or something, but I don't see going really heavy into it.
01:25:45
Speaker
Um, just for the fact that there is quite a i don't want to say a lot, but there's a couple breeders out there already. um And there's not a lot of people that are looking for a really big giant snake. So if I did, I would definitely want to try to keep that to a limit. And even then i would try to sit there and breed my female.
01:26:07
Speaker
Um, obviously once she's of age and capable of breeding, um, fine, but, I would want to breed them at it a younger age compared to later when they're bigger and having a huge clutch. So if I could try to, you know, just get 18, 21 eggs 25 compared to 40, 50, 60 eggs would be nice. But yeah, definitely. That would do too much. yeah Oh yeah. Those are, they definitely, when they're, when they're big, full size, man, they're 18 foot and stuff.
01:26:36
Speaker
They, they like some monster clutches. So definitely. and Go ahead. Oh, definitely. It's just, and they're a lot to work with. That's a, that's one big snake. I love them and they're, they're puppy dogs, man, but they, it's a lot of snake to deal with for sure.
01:26:54
Speaker
At least have somebody else. to Yeah. That's what you got at least have a minimum of two people. You and one other person. Never, yeah never mess with a full size berm or anything. Any, any of them, any of the big snakes, retics, anacondas, any big snake, because that,
01:27:11
Speaker
You slip and fall one time and because you startle it. Their instinct is they're going to hold on, and sometimes it's they hold on to the wrong places. That's the shitty part. Absolutely. them off of you by yourself is, yeah, usually not a very good thing. so Right. Yeah, they are.
01:27:32
Speaker
armss burns the Some the readers out there, man, what they've done with the berms is just like in the ball python game. wow some of
Trends in Snake Breeding
01:27:40
Speaker
the genes that they've come up with and stuff oh beautiful they are they got a lot going oh yeah i've noticed here i've noticed here lately um big thing i've been seeing here colubrids are starting to make a big comeback uh king snakes and stuff and the milk snakes they're there there is a lot of people are getting into getting into that again real heavy and it's like
01:28:09
Speaker
And that's becoming another popular popular once again like it used to be. As a kid, I know there was a few people around that knew people. They were all into the king snakes, breeding them and everything else. That was like the big thing.
01:28:24
Speaker
was ball pythons during that time. You were still looking. Back then, I'm 43 now, about six, seven years old. Hell, ball pythons were still going for $10,000.
01:28:37
Speaker
ten thousand $12,000 for certain ball pythons. Even the normals were still going for $500, $600 because it was still kind of new.
01:28:48
Speaker
People were getting more into it when you could get a corn snake for $10. ten bucks I mean, you can still get idiots out there that tries to sell them for that, but a decent, good breeders, you're still going to pay for a normal corn snake. I've seen morph market for some of the guys I follow, $60, $70
01:29:12
Speaker
you know, hatchling or whatever of a corn snake. But yeah, it's just crazy to see how much that's booming on the side of things now that of the snake side.
01:29:23
Speaker
Right. Yeah. It has, like you said, there's a, there's a lot more people doing the clubrids now, uh, rolloids, king snakes, garter snakes, anything, all that stuff's just really taken off. So, and they got some of that stuff, even you're getting more, i don't know if they really call it genes, but traits or whatever's in them, you know, there's even more stuff. So yeah, they're, and they're, some of that stuff's pretty expensive too. so sort of knowing out of that we not all getting in Yeah, it's there. Well, that's like everybody too that I've been seeing and and you reading, like you said, everybody thinks the ball python markets, you know, on a dead whim.
Genetic Complexity in Breeding
01:30:06
Speaker
I think it's just kind of taking a slow pause right now on certain certain genes people are taking pauses on. It's not just the The market's there. It's still moving, but it's just certain things aren't moving as fast as it used to.
01:30:24
Speaker
that's the same with crested geckos and leopard geckos. It got to that point where certain genes and nose are now or used to be hot and heavy or slowing down, but they still move. But it's not, the hobby's not dead.
01:30:39
Speaker
It's just people are reading into it more than what they need to and They just follow the gossip train, in my opinion. That's all it is. Exactly.
01:30:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's far from dead. there's There's too many genes out there. There's almost 300 genes, and there's genes popping out all the time. um Again, I can think of two, three gene combos that haven't been even been hit before.
01:31:04
Speaker
So there is so much out there that can be hit, and a lot of stuff, like if you have like a five, six, seven gene combo, your chances are like one in 150, 120 something, one in 256 chance. Like that's like a lottery ticket. It's going to take you forever to try to hit a lot of those combinations just in that seven gene or eight gene animal. Right. Well,
Achieving Genetic Goals
01:31:29
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look how long it took Johnson to hit the Pompeii.
01:31:32
Speaker
I mean, he, that was something he said he worked on in one of his videos. It took him 10 years to get, finally get the Pompeii gene. I mean, that just goes to show you there. That's one of those that it took 10 years for him the
01:31:49
Speaker
I mean, it's been produced before, but it's just one those ones that for him himself personally, that was something he sought after. And it was 10 years of hard work of getting the jeans to where it needed to be to make that pump.
01:32:04
Speaker
I mean, he's ah he's one of those, again, like i said, I mean, it's a prime example of over time when you... want what you want you this shows you've got to put the time in to get your end goal and like even the pompeii that thing still like there's so many ways you could go with that right like i mean okay there's probably a maybe there's a couple hundred pompeis out there by now but a lot of those are the similar combos right you know
01:32:36
Speaker
so there's so many genes out there that you could put in that Pompeii and doing everything and go your own way, your own route with it. Just do something and change it up. and'm
Competitive Breeding Market
01:32:46
Speaker
like well that's And that's like, I seen, uh, seen one, I think it was, um, Will Banks.
01:32:57
Speaker
It's not for sale, but he teased everybody on his website. He has a
01:33:04
Speaker
What was it? Yeah. It's actually, he's got a Pompeii desert ghost that he's teasing. He had on his website last year that he had a baby, not for sale, future breeding, but this is one of my first.
01:33:17
Speaker
He had desert ghost in Pompeii. I was like, dude, you just beat, you freaking beat Justin and you beat Miguel at getting desert ghost in Pompeii. I'm like, dude, this is pretty cool.
01:33:30
Speaker
And that was I made that Pompeii. pop even more than what it does just being the Pompeii. I mean, it it made that pattern and the coloration on that thing fucking gorgeous.
01:33:43
Speaker
Yep. And that's the thing, like, you never know when you can sit there and beat somebody on something, honestly. like So, Ozzy Boyd, so Ozzy had the hypo clown pied.
01:34:00
Speaker
But...
Admiring Top Breeders
01:34:02
Speaker
but he got this guy that he had sold it to had bought a 1.1 het triple het so it was a triple het to triple het nice yeah this dude him hit two of the triple visuals and like two doubles so people And then Ozzy, like a couple months later, ended up hitting those same jeans.
01:34:32
Speaker
So this guy got the heads from Ozzy and still like hit them before he even did. And it was, like I said, a 1.1 on a triple head to triple head. Like that's pretty crazy, dude.
01:34:43
Speaker
And especially with what Ozzy puts out, man. He's another one that, man, he's got some. but he But him, in my personal opinion, he's the king of the dreamsicle, man. That guy can make some beautiful multi-gene dreamsicle snakes. Those things are fucking amazing.
01:35:03
Speaker
I love dreamsicle stuff that he does. It is. ah ah Yeah, I got. Actually, I bought from a shout out to Oz, too, man. Like that guy's pretty cool. Like he'll work with you if he has to, too. Like he's pretty cool.
01:35:20
Speaker
oh Nice. Nice. Yeah. Like I, I got into a bind, uh, the car broke down and we had to pay like $3,500 for the turbo to be fixed.
01:35:31
Speaker
And so I was like, dude, Ozzie, like, sorry, but you know, I'm going through this right now, you know, can you know, I give me a couple extra weeks and he's like, yeah, no problem. But, um, I bought ultra male from him, ah triple head hypopied clown, uh,
01:35:50
Speaker
So I'm hoping with the triple hat female that I put her to, hopefully I'll end up getting pretty good odds. I'm hoping like, we'll see. It's an Aussie snake. So we'll see what happens.
01:36:01
Speaker
I mean, I mean, look at the snakes that people's got off of him, man. They've, they've made some bangers, dude. Yeah. wish I mean, look at like the one just said that 1.1 triple hat to triple hat. He goes and hits it like, dude, that's pretty cool. So.
01:36:16
Speaker
Yep. Yep. I mean, yeah, that's another one that I would love to get something of his, just not only as a fanboy, but just to have one of his dreamsicles in my collection, just a just to have it, just because it's so it's an amazing animal. I love it, and I love what he does with it. Like I said, i would just – I'd be like a little fanboy if I was able to – here down the road, be able to purchase one of those off of him, one of his dream sickle pies or something. They're like, yeah, this
Creative Genetic Potentials
01:36:50
Speaker
showing it off. Be like, yeah, this has been one of my dream pet snakes here. I'm not doing nothing with it. I just got it in my collection to have as a pet to show off. Yeah. Yeah.
01:37:03
Speaker
um yeah I believe the dream cycle is how they actually got that ah that smiling more that came out a while ago. I believe the the dream cycle is actually how they got that. What is that? cool smiley faces on Yeah, this fucking this snake more smiley faces on its back.
01:37:21
Speaker
the The emojis. Yeah. The the dream cycle, I believe, is how they got that. else Some of them, some of them, Johnny, you'll get lucky. Some of them will have in the other genes, not only dream cycle.
01:37:35
Speaker
But you can get some of the Jigs. Yeah, the Pides will have... They're notorious for having the smiley faces or jack-o'-lantern.
01:37:47
Speaker
i mean, that's it there's one that... Ozzy had one, and it was a perfect jack-o'-lantern on his. I mean, it literally looked exactly like jack-o'-lantern. I mean, it was cool. Ozzy did have a couple. There's been a few few others out there. the dust But yeah, the Pides...
01:38:03
Speaker
um It's just one of those deals. Indeed. it Yeah, like every so often, like you'll get a pie, it'll pop out with the emoji. It's like, or like you said, the jack-o'-lantern on there. Especially like, it's cool when you, like it's Halloween time and you can find one.
Ethical Breeding Debates
01:38:21
Speaker
It's like, okay, I gotta get this.
01:38:23
Speaker
just just hard but ah It's got a jack-o'-lantern face. Hell yeah. Yeah.
01:38:30
Speaker
but and you can get them che too too 200 oh any more yeah no any more yeah which one's this for johnny or or forbid for for vans hey uh they both yeah a lot but yeah
01:38:51
Speaker
a lot it is but yeah But yeah, and ah and it's amazing to see too, since you're talking about PIDE, I mean, look how far that's dropped in price, when what it used to be back in the day when we were kids, man.
01:39:04
Speaker
That was one of those other ones that was, yeah people were paying $10,000 for a PIDE. now Now we can pick it up for $300, $400, and that's even with having a couple of jeans in them now. that I mean, you can yeah snag them up for now. Exactly.
01:39:20
Speaker
before like it's kind of heartbreaking, to be honest, when I see these Pides go for just a few hundred dollars. I'm like, man, they should be going for at least $500. Yeah. yeah but She's talking to you, Johnny, about how much were you smoking to see emojis on snakes.
01:39:36
Speaker
No, and I don't know. It's burning right much, you know. But yeah, Pides is another one that I, you know, you that's a that's in a multi-untapped thing that people were Some people I think are still sleeping on. You can put a lot of jeans to them too.
01:39:56
Speaker
Right. Absolutely. Yep. One last question. What's your opinion on the spider jean?
01:40:07
Speaker
Would you ever have any in your collection if you were offered any?
01:40:13
Speaker
Uh... So this is a tough one. I actually love the spider gene, to be honest with you. I think it's an amazing gene. I think it's very beautiful. And not having it, there's so many combinations out there that if it had spider in there, it could even look that much better.
01:40:32
Speaker
It sucks that it gets the rap that it does. I know they have that little bit of wobble. Um,
01:40:41
Speaker
I personally, yeah, I would have a spider. i would take one just to have because, again, I appreciate them and I think they're beautiful snakes. I wouldn't breed it. i' Right. I want a killer bee.
01:40:54
Speaker
A killer bee. Those are very beautiful. Yes. I would love to have have one. me i Me, I've seen, did I've done research, and i you know, I mean, being in this game, wanting to get into this game now and everything as an adult.
01:41:11
Speaker
I've done my homework. and And it's weird how everybody, the reason I brought this up, everybody's opinion's different because of that wobble. I've noticed some of the people I follow that actually work with the spider gene because they put it in other combos, I've noticed they don't have the wobble.
Inbreeding Concerns
01:41:31
Speaker
It's normally,
01:41:34
Speaker
I think it's more what the with the spider. It depends, me personally. how many times it's been, how would you say, interbred into the same gene.
01:41:49
Speaker
A lot of people use their stuff that they keep coming back over using the same shit instead of changing the bloodline. And I think that's where they're running into the neurological with that the wobble in it. I think they're just, that's my opinion on it.
01:42:04
Speaker
But I've also seen where just a regular spider out of the blue baby fucking Have the wobble and it's not been anything but just spider to spider
01:42:19
Speaker
It yeah It's, I'm trying to think of what it was. I've heard of a few, there's a couple of genes, like you said, that you could put into the spider.
01:42:30
Speaker
And I don't want to say, ah i kind of wanted to say it's blackhead, but I could be completely wrong on that. But there's a few genes that they were saying, like if you put into the spider, it'll kind of help out with the wobble um to not have it as much. And I can't remember what genes those were.
01:42:44
Speaker
But it's kind of like even with like the rainbow gene, you got to they inbred it basically so much that they weren't really producing. So now you got to really like you want to put in sheet into the rainbow so that you'll have that chance of those babies to actually survive and everything.
Sharing Knowledge for Better Outcomes
01:43:05
Speaker
It's kind of weird.
01:43:07
Speaker
Well, that's like people talking to with the spider gene, not to.
01:43:13
Speaker
They also bring up about the pinstripe having having similar ordeals with the i haven't seen as much as the spider get pinstripe getting as much shit as the spider gene does though and I mean I've seen some I've seen some pretty badass combinations with the spider in it that they they don't have the wobble and I the killer bee one of the ones I've seen that They've been fortunate the people I've seen that's had them that I follow on YouTube and Facebook that They're fucking amazing and they're gorgeous.
01:43:45
Speaker
There's one of the guys I follow. I can't remember his name right the top of my head. But he, oh, Royal Constrictors. He has one that he did.
01:43:58
Speaker
It's the Killer Bee Clown and he put a hypo to it. He's got one that has hypo in it. No issues. And I mean, that's a clean It's a clean snake. You wouldn't think it was a spider until you actually look at the head pattern with the clown and everything that spider does to the clown head stamps and stuff.
01:44:18
Speaker
It don't look like a got the spider gene in it. He goes, here's one of the genes that everybody complains about. He was putting on one on his YouTube channel. He goes, I work with spiders all the time. so o Will, you're you're talking my business now, buddy.
01:44:35
Speaker
Killer beans. She does her ghost. Nice. Heck yeah. That DD is going to even be nice in there to crisp and clean that thing up even more, man. bright it up damn But yeah, it just it's just a shame that the spider gene gets so much shit because I think it's just a single gene itself is a gorgeous gene.
01:44:58
Speaker
Absolutely. it It's just a single gene form. It's amazing. You don't need anything else, but if you want to put a dash of this and that, that just even makes stuff better. so it It really does suck, man. i I wish the spider could be in there.
01:45:13
Speaker
um i love pinstripe, too. Pinstripe is so dominant. yeah yeah That's another one. but my My thing of it is is that's another one besides the Lucifer gene and stuff.
01:45:29
Speaker
Kevin McCurley made the spider gene famous with his combinations with the spider gene. I mean, that hell you right proved right there in himself for dealing with the gene that everybody kind of blackballed because when he was working with it, it was still one of those. The wobble was like, oh, we can't do that because this is what the hell's wrong with these snakes. And here's this man putting these multi genes together, creating some beautiful snakes and stuff and not having any issue. He's been fortunate. I mean, but yeah, it I'm with you. It just sucks that Gene's got the rapid daz over neurological stuff.
01:46:07
Speaker
But me personally, like I said, I think it's because a lot of it's been the constant inbreeding and not getting new bloodline in with a lot of the ordeal. Right.
01:46:18
Speaker
So, I mean, and and that's eventually going to happen with anything. You oh yeah use the same bloodline over and over and over and over. You're going to run and bound and run into the issues. I mean, you've got to have some fresh blood. And even if it's a different, different spider from somebody else, try it and see what happens. And usually, usually you get lucky.
01:46:41
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. It's like, you really shouldn't be going, like if you're going unbred, that's fine a few times. Like, that's it. I wouldn't go more than two, maybe three times with it. That's all you need to do.
01:46:56
Speaker
And then you need to get that space out. Yep. Well, like, here it is. i was going to we'll just comment on it easily. Yeah. I have fresh lines in my rack, Lowe.
01:47:08
Speaker
Well, I mean, that's the thing. That's the thing is that's what people don't realize. Like I've learned from you guys and a few other people, you, if you you have to, yeah, use it twice. Other than that, get it out of your, get it out of your breeding rotation and try to get some new blood in that rotation, but keep it the same gene, but have something different from someone different, you know, somebody else.
01:47:34
Speaker
So you can continue on what you're doing. Exactly. Yeah. Cause I mean, if you go twice with something, I mean, you're already improving it. Like you're really good right there. You know, you don't, don't push it too much and stuff and make Cause then that just comes back and messes up things.
01:47:53
Speaker
Not just for you, but other people too, because now it's in your collection, you're selling some of that stuff. Right. So, you know, yeah, you see it. Well, and the bad part is, is I've seen it more in the like the bearded dragon and the leard leopard leopard geckos is where you see a lot of it besides the snake things too.
Passionate and Ethical Breeding
01:48:14
Speaker
Yes. You see a lot of the constant inbreeding of the leopard geckos in collection. The dinker squad. Nice. but Yeah. I mean, it's it's it's just a shame because people think, like you were saying, Vance,
01:48:33
Speaker
It's working, it's working, it's working, but they're oversaturating the
01:48:40
Speaker
the bloodline in there, the cause issues, and then, you like you said, pass it on to somebody else, and guess what? Well, I just bought this this animal off this person, and I bred it, and I'm having deformities and all this neurological stuff going. This one's only grown one foot, and this one's got no tail, and it's like... With two heads?
01:49:00
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Or you get that? get the that Yes.
01:49:07
Speaker
Yeah, all bad. if
01:49:14
Speaker
yeah people would just think before they bred, would make it easier and better for everybody, man. But like we talked at the beginning of the show before Johnny comes. hi A lot of people get into this game because they thought it was a get get rich scheme. So they don't think about that kind of, that's another thing they don't think about of is ah the wellbeing of the animal.
01:49:36
Speaker
Yes. We're here in the hobby because it's a passion and stuff. Good. We make some money off of it, but we also are still learning, still researching, finding out new stuff.
01:49:49
Speaker
But at the same time, the animal comes first, like it's our kid. yeah yeah or our dog, or, you know, your cat. but it living I treated it as my kid.
Dedication to Animal Care
01:50:00
Speaker
I wouldn't want to take my kid and do 50 fucking times within the same thing. And then, you know what I mean? It's just throwing that out there, but it would never happen.
01:50:11
Speaker
But that's what it would be like. And it's, you can't do that shit. Yep. Exactly. Exactly.
01:50:23
Speaker
Yeah, you'll you'll get out of it what you put into it, the hard work and everything. And that's the thing. They're animals, you know, they're living things. So you need to need to sit here and and take care of them. and Yes, sir. Oh, yeah.
01:50:36
Speaker
All righty. Johnny, you got any questions for Vance, buddy? All right. Not really any questions. A lot got covered. It's been a very thorough conversation.
01:50:49
Speaker
Heck yeah. I appreciate it, guys. It was a fun time coming on with you, man, and rocking out and over here. Very much so You got anybody you want to shout out and everything else? Any sponsors or anything? or any YouTube channels you want to shout out, Bubba?
01:51:06
Speaker
Yeah, so we got the Gene Wars on Friday, and then we got the Thunderdome on Saturday on my channel. So I've got my co-host, Will, who rocks with me on Friday. We got the Gene Wars, like I said, tomorrow. That's a pretty awesome time. So shout out to him.
01:51:26
Speaker
Shout out to shoot everybody out there, man. Everybody that's here, you guys up on the panel, everybody in the chats. hi Heck yeah. I appreciate all you guys, man. Shout out to all you guys. You guys are all awesome.
01:51:39
Speaker
Keep grinding. um And shout out to all the people that I rock with, man. I can't even name off names because there's so many people. um They all know who they are, man. But yeah, definitely. And you guys all rock too. I appreciate it.
Community and Events
01:51:54
Speaker
Man, I appreciate everything. And the last basically following you,
01:52:00
Speaker
You guys on your YouTube channel on Blue Zombie Morseman with the, you know, having you, Ken, Will, everybody that comes up on that sharing and involving. And what's awesome is how you guys involve everybody in the chat.
01:52:14
Speaker
You try your damnedest answer somebody's question. And it's not just one of you answering, which is awesome when you do the panels. You have the whole panel up there and everybody goes down through and gives you it' their opinion on shit, which is awesome on that. And I love it.
01:52:30
Speaker
I've learned so much from that besides you know following other YouTube channels. But being involved in your guys' chatterbox or catching a couple other people that does their lives if I can. But it's mostly you, Will, and Ken when you know him and his LMK and stuff.
01:52:47
Speaker
And then Triple Serpent does his stuff too with you guys when he pops in and his shit. I can't try to catch your guys as much I can. There's times I'm doing a shit.
01:53:00
Speaker
doing a show on Saturday night where we have our non-open panel here on the network. You're on. I'm sitting over here on my phone in the chatter's box hitting you guys up while I'm on on the panel and stuff. You know, doing everything.
01:53:15
Speaker
But I'm sitting there bullshitting with you guys too. That's awesome. Yeah, we definitely appreciate you guys coming out too, man. Yeah.
01:53:27
Speaker
I will, Chris, I will send the link over to Johnny and everything else for you on there. It is Blue Zombie Morse YouTube channel and Instagram, and he is on TikTok. Check him out and stuff.
01:53:40
Speaker
So snap you we're actually getting ready to wrap up, guys, and everything else. um Good to see you, brother. um Good to see you, brother.
01:53:55
Speaker
Thank you again, Vance, for coming up and everything else. Thank you guys in the chatterbox and everything. i will like I'll get the links posted up, and I'll send it over to Johnny so he can put it up on his panel and everything when he goes live on his channel.
01:54:10
Speaker
Heck yeah. get that sir But yeah, check and check out Vance. Like I said, Blue Zombie Morse, TikTok, YouTube, and Instagram.
01:54:20
Speaker
The dude that Guys are awesome. Will, thank you again for coming in the chat, hanging out with us, everybody coming in. um I'm going to go ahead and drop you down and wrap this up, Vance. I'll catch you later on. I'll see you tomorrow night, man, in the chatter's box, buddy.
01:54:34
Speaker
Sounds good. Appreciate you guys. Good to see you, brother. yeah You too. Later, Johnny. Later, Wally. Later.
01:54:44
Speaker
Thank you all again for tuning in tonight and stuff. For my guest, Vance from Blue Zombie Morse. um Well, once again, dude, thank you for some more education again in the chatter's box. I appreciate it. Tonight was awesome having Vance up on here. Like I said, it all started from just jumping in on the on the chatter's box on his shows, the Gene Wars and the Thunderdome, man. Everybody that's in that community is good people.
01:55:12
Speaker
um They haven't stirred me wrong or anything else, so check him out and everything. There you go.
01:55:22
Speaker
See you later, Hans. Thank you for tuning in But once again, Johnny, thank you for coming up, co-hosting with me, man. I hope you learned a lot tonight. It was very enjoyable and thorough.
01:55:33
Speaker
Yeah, yeah it's it's neat to get different perspectives from other people in the and the hobby that's in there. ah um Will, you're next victim if you're still paying attention. So i I'm going to try to get with you, and I'll message you and stuff, and we'll get together. have you up here, too.
01:55:52
Speaker
So once again, like I said, thanks for tuning in tonight, everybody. You guys are awesome. Once again, Johnny, like I said, dude, love you, brother. Thanks for coming up, man.
Future Guests and Collaboration
01:56:03
Speaker
Always a pleasure. You guys have a good rest of your night. Make sure to tune in. i don't know what's going on tomorrow, but if we don't have nothing going on here, tune in to Blue Morphs.
01:56:15
Speaker
Blue Zombie Morphs YouTube channel tomorrow night. They have the Thunderdome. It's an open panel. You guys jump in the chatter's box. Check them out. Get all kinds of reptile education, not only on snakes and stuff. So, Chuck, he said you're crook your mustache is crooked, dude.
01:56:33
Speaker
Oh, boy. Yep, you got to get it fixed, slacker. Yeah, fix myself up there. Check them out. um Saturday night, of course, is our Nonsensical Nonsense where we have the open panel challenge.
01:56:46
Speaker
You guys can hang out with us and stuff. Keep going. Have a good time. hello Sunday night, Sunday, Blick and Rick should be talking some football. It's getting to wrap up the NFL season. Super Bowl's coming up.
01:57:01
Speaker
I'm going talk some sports, but mostly football. Monday night, me and Johnny are back here for Speedway Stories. I have a guest for us lined up Monday night to come up and talk about drag racing and our car hobby.
01:57:14
Speaker
Mr. Zach Hensel and his girlfriend. will be on They will be on our show our show Monday night. So guys, tune in Monday night at 8 o'clock. I'll have them up here to talk some motorsports and stuff stuff with us.
01:57:28
Speaker
Tuesday night, Glick's House of Music. Glick's got a guest. I think it's the Southern Outlaw Band is coming back on. Arliss will be back up on the show. Tune in Wednesday.
01:57:39
Speaker
We have ah Brittany with hump day ha ha and Michael, if things are going good with Michael, then we're back here with cold blooded conversations. Hopefully I'm going to try have a guest Thursday night. If not, we'll be me and Johnny up here talking about animals and everything else and news in the animal world and everything.
01:57:59
Speaker
And i also want to throw out February 2nd, a week from this coming Monday, Speedway stories. We do have another guest lined up. Mr. Jason Carter will be coming up and talking about the motorsports hobby and what got him involved in it as well.
01:58:17
Speaker
So the next two Speedway stories for the next two Mondays, we have guests lined up to come on the show and share their experience in the car hobby, we'll talk about life, but mostly talk about muscle cars, drag racing, drag and drive events, motorsports.
01:58:34
Speaker
So if you're motorsports junkies and stuff, Tune in the next two Monday nights. I got guests, special guests for me and Johnny up here on the show. be good time Thank you guys once again. Like I said, i appreciate it. Make sure you hit that like, share, and subscribe button on mine and Johnny on the Nonsense Civil Network and on Johnny Bong's.
01:58:52
Speaker
thank Love you guys. Peace out. kitchen and love feel like be lifted Bye.