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My Bloody Valentine (1981)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris celebrate Valentine's Day with the 1981 slasher classic My Bloody Valentine.
Filmed in Canada, My Bloody Valentine came out as the 80s slasher boom kicked off, following the success of movies like Halloween and Friday the 13th. In the town of Valentine Bluffs, a tragedy at the local mine during a Valentine's Day dance results in miner Harry Warden becoming a cannibalistic psychopath. He kills the mine's supervisors and threatens the town that if they ever have a Valentine's Day dance again, he will go on another killing spree. The town tempts fate 20 years later and plans a new dance, and, as predicted, people start getting brutally killed by a killer in a miner's uniform. Zach and Chris try to figure out how old everyone is supposed to be, if the Valentine's Day dance offers any financial benefits to the town, Moosehead Lager, the censorship that took out much of the gory kills, how it compares to the 2009 remake, and more.
You can watch My Bloody Valentine on Shudder, PlutoTV, and AMC+. Next week, we're watching the 1988 horror movie Monkey Shines to get into the mindset of The Monkey, which hits theaters next weekend.
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the podcast of the week of February 10th, 2025. I'm Ryo Zach. I'm your co-host, Chris.
Valentine's Day and 'My Bloody Valentine' Discussion
00:00:27
Speaker
And this week we are celebrating Valentine's Day in the bloodiest way possible by talking about My Bloody Valentine, the original, the 1981 classic.
00:00:37
Speaker
ah Straight out of Canada, I think one of the i think the rare ah Canadian horror movies that's set in Canada and features lots of Canadian accents and other Canadian tropes.
Comparison to Other Slashers
00:00:50
Speaker
i think i think I think a lot of people probably saw the remake from 2009, the Jensen Ackles starring ah remake. But ah the original one is ah also considered a consider to slasher classic.
00:01:04
Speaker
I think Quentin Tarantino says it's his favorite slasher movie of all time. it I can see why. um I don't know if that's true for me, but I could see it for someone who sees a lot of movies and you wanted something different that a lot of movies haven't mimicked properly. It's it's kind of up there with like Halloween, where It's a good movie if you because there's it's a good movie based on just story alone, that doesn't require a lot of lore, because there's not a lot of that. And it i mean it came out like right as the I think the slasher boom was really starting because
00:01:47
Speaker
yeah like Yeah, we had Halloween.
Critique of Casting Choices
00:01:50
Speaker
Uh, we had Friday, 13th, which is the year before. And then this was the year. set And then we also had like, I think terror train and, uh, prom night. I think we're also like, oh, like that 81 or like the year in 80. So like a lot of, I think a lot of people figured it out or a lot of studios figured it out. Oh, slash your movies. Those were easy to make and probably make a lot of money because you said to put like, uh,
00:02:12
Speaker
Find figure out like a cool costume to put like a killer in and just have him like kill a bunch of teenagers. They'll make as much of money. But unlike a lot of those other movies, they got the whole um teen part in a teen slasher movie wrong. They were just like, let's get a whole bunch of like 30 something you're like early 30 year olds and have them pretend to be teens, but they all have like full time jobs. yeah They all they all slave away in the mind all day.
00:02:44
Speaker
Yeah, they're not worried about, like, the killer. They're worried about, like, the Black Lung.
Setting and Atmosphere
00:02:49
Speaker
Or, like, methane gas building up exploding. Or, or, hear me out, um, like, exposure? Like, a lot of them are, like, we, for all we know, this is Canadian, like, this is Valentine's Day, so, like,
00:03:06
Speaker
They're just partying and drinking in the coal mine town. February, yeah. I would say, imagine how cold it is right now. For us, Chris, we're in the northeast of the US. Then go even farther north to Nova Scotia. It's like, man, don't you want to hang out in the mine? I'm like, what? We're not wearing coats or heavy jackets or gloves or anything.
Original vs Remake: Authenticity and Technical Challenges
00:03:33
Speaker
they're not like you you think every time you think about the greater north you think of like almost like a research facility in like some sort of icy town and then you don't expect these like this like archy story happening there sir um but yeah no it's funny because like for a lot of well i guess for like it's something where like it's not like canadian my bloody valentine or something it's it just like Again, I grew up on the remake first. So I just thought it was the same kind of like coal mine town. But then when you just like watch the original like, wow, this is completely different. And for the better, I think I think that's also why it still holds up because it's the only like minor town Canadian horror movie I've ever seen. That isn't some sort of like, you know, Scooby Doo or something about like a mine thing.
00:04:30
Speaker
And the they shot it in an actual mine too. So that's it. It's a lot of cool like technical things they had to get around because they, this movie, since it takes place in this like fictitious town, they had to basically find all these locations and then I guess if they, they didn't seem like they built it in a set.
Horror Elements and Censorship
00:04:51
Speaker
Like you said, like a shot on location, but then it's like, damn, they had to go to a lot of like places to figure out like, okay, let's, let's turn this into like the restaurant. Let's turn this into the the giant shower or no, the giant, um, like laundry room, the laundry mat. I couldn't figure out the laundry mat thing. How everything was working on pulleys like that. Like,
00:05:14
Speaker
Oh, in the mites the mind itself, yeah. thing Yeah, that one. Where they where they hang all their like work clothes. But it's like, do you guys never hang of door hangers or something? They're just like the most complicated hanging system I've ever seen. Yeah. Because it looks like a haunted house. That one room, we'll talk about when we get there, but that one room is designed to either have hookup sex in or just scare the shit out of people in.
00:05:44
Speaker
There's no middle ground. Yeah. um But yeah, yeah. Let's talk about the beginning and how the movie just drops us right there. The the bizarre opening sequence where it it's you think we think it's going to be a you know Friday 13th style like oh they're kicking off right off right off the bat with like R rated sex and boobs and stuff but and you know you know I were talking when we watched it like before we started recording it's Like this movie this movie is shockingly, for an 80s slasher movie, there's like shocking little like nudity. And it also got edited, edited and censored. um So there's a lot like the gore is actually not that like gory. But they call like nine minutes of gore out of this movie. So there's a lot of it. did They did have a lot of elaborate kills. But then there was a lot of censoring that took it all out. So that's why you see ah ah most of it is like the aftermath of someone getting killed. He's like, oh,
00:06:40
Speaker
They were stabbed by this like drill bit thing. But then the actual cut was like, you saw that you saw the kill like Harry Warden use the drill bit to kill them. Yeah, it was pretty cool to see basically ah ah like it hold back on the gore and focus more on the shock that like the killer is there.
00:07:07
Speaker
You know, like ah ah you do see some gory parts. Yeah. um I think especially when ah one guy gets the nail gun in him. it's It's more like the suspense building up towards it is the payoff of like, oh, no, he got him more than man, he's really torturing him with like mining equipment, which we we mentioned this last week. We wanted to see a witness.
00:07:35
Speaker
Yeah, more more like like use the setting more to kill people. ah Though in this movie, I guess we'll talk about it near the middle or near the end of the when we get to the point of the spoilers.
Plot and Killer's Motive
00:07:49
Speaker
But the like the the killer is like has to be like somewhat fit to drag all this equipment, all this gear on like his cardio is cardio's insane to like run around a mine and in like in like gas past the entire time. Mm hmm.
00:08:06
Speaker
which that's, that's probably the openings, which is weird is yeah. So you have this, you have these two minors and then one of them turns out to be like a sexy lady and they're about to like have sex. And then the one minor seat sees a heart tattoo on the woman's chest. And then he freaks out a stabster with a, with a, into a pickaxe as is what you do. And then, cause then, and then you find out, Oh, this town hasn't celebrated Valentine's day in 25 or 20 years because, uh,
00:08:36
Speaker
a miner named Harry Water went crazy. Last time they had a Valentine's Day dance.
00:08:45
Speaker
Because he blames the mining supervisors who are busy to dance on leaving the mine unsafe. And then there's a cave in and he had to eat all this fellow miners to survive. So there's a ah theory that basically states that I mean, in the In the remake, they they kind of say that it's worse than that, that they basically were fighting each other for air. Yes. And then after a certain amount of time, they were eating. I think it's implied that Harry did the same in this version where he went nuts because they basically had to battle each other for survival. And then because he won, he gets to eat all the dead. And I guess once you do that, like you just can't come back from that.
00:09:34
Speaker
Did they say how long like he was trapped? like Was it? It's like a month. Oh, OK. That makes more sense. If it was a couple of days, like he but he referred to Caleb as a really fast. No, no. Actually, before we we even say that. ah
00:09:50
Speaker
Man. I'm trying to find out. The Wikipedia stops. Does that say a couple of hours? I think they say it in a line, but it's like either like a week or two. like It's not like he was there for like a few days. No, I think it was like he was there for a week or more.
Psychological Depth of the Killer
00:10:04
Speaker
it's like It's like five five minutes after he got trapped, he's just like, well, who's dying? Who are we going to kill? Well, it's time to do the default. Yeah, I'm just like, I'm pretty sure miners have a like a rule that says you just can't do that. I don't know. But then again, I'm not hanging out in a mine.
00:10:30
Speaker
Um, but yeah, uh, the, the movie explains that like, I do enjoy the, the little bit of a blurb about him. And it's done in a way that you understand the killer. He's just not like a psychotic person who one day woke up crazy. <unk> It's like he, it makes sense that this Harry is like this boogeyman terror.
00:10:57
Speaker
I do like that that it feels like there was this weird prequel movie that existed that we kind of are just seeing like a clip of. Because you cause you get the flashbacks of him like going and like killing the two guys like the two supervisors and then like the and how the Valentine's Day dance gets like the delivery of the hearts. which that's That's kind of a weird, like it's it's the spirit of He, like Harry, the miner has his minor kind of like, you know, outfit and gear. And that's like what he kills everyone with mostly is like mining equipment. But then he also has the Valentine's Day stuff. So it's kind of right. It's like he's like kind of meshed up these two different kind of like killing ideas. If this movie wasn't a Valentine's Day movie, it would have been fine too.
00:11:46
Speaker
Yeah, if if it was just if it was just a miner who wanted to kill for revenge. And he uses mining stuff to kill people. like That's it's like perfectly fine, great. But then they throw it on top of like the whole Valentine's Day thing. And then he really like leads into it of, I'm going to write cards. I'm going to buy chocolate boxes and put hearts in them. And it's not like something he just ordered from Amazon. He had to go to a store, buy these boxes of chocolate, like throw the chocolate out or something.
00:12:16
Speaker
come come up with like Valentine's Day rhymes that are also like- He had to write cards. He had to sit there and write cards to people. It's like, what rhymes with murder? What rhymes with death? So I like how in this movie, like the police don't issue a statement in the town. You know, it's like murders happen. All right, don't worry about it. Like it just seems like Not everyone knows about the murders, only like eight people do. That also feels like the entire town, though, too. yeah See, but for that, they just don't give a shit. That's the insane thing. Like for a small-knit community where it's like, murders are happening. All right, let's party! Whoo! It's like, what? There's only like 30 of you. Who's the killer? Like, obviously.
00:13:12
Speaker
i do I do I do like that the the mayor isn't like the Jaws mayor like he's not like well we gotta have this Valentine's Day dance we're making money it's like he's like oh no cancel it cancel it cancel it we're done we're done does the mayor die I don't think so So the one problem about this movie, and this sounds kind of, you know, just just how it is. Everyone kind of looks like this, like you're either you're old or like an older 20 year old, early 30 year old. Like there's the two distinction. But the sheriff and the mayor, I confused. And then especially the bar owner later. It's like, I thought that was the mayor. Well, the bar owner and the sheriff look exactly like identical.
00:13:58
Speaker
And then I don't know why it the bar owner gets killed out of everyone. It makes sense to keep him alive because he's the one who's like, hey, everyone, let's not have a goddamn party. Yeah, he's the he's he's the classic slasher movie like doomsayer of like you you kids.
00:14:16
Speaker
don't go up, don't go in the mines, Harry Warren's gonna kill you, don't don't tempt him, he's gonna he's still show up and kill us all if we if he have this Valentine's Day dance. Right, but then he gets killed for what? Because he gets drunk and tries to prank the kids, he's like, I'll i'll show these damn kids. But in terms of why?
00:14:35
Speaker
And then it's like, I think later on they find his body, but then it's like, it's like, no one's like, oh no, it's the the bartender. It's just sort of like, ah and oh. You know, it's just like, oh, okay. They're probably gonna leave because he's just he's like such an asshole to them all the time. That's the terrible part. ah Okay, so.
00:14:55
Speaker
the Okay, so the movie also is a romance movie I guess that's the whole point too like it's the Almost like soap opera event that's going on between this group of friends. Oh, yeah, there's there's big chunk like there's big chunks where there's no miners No killing. It's just this like like melodramatic Like love story between love triangle Where TJ is trying to win back the love of his life
00:15:24
Speaker
Yeah, but his his like this whole thing is weird because it's not like a... What's not to explain? It's like his reintroduction is just him finding out his dad's dead, I guess. Oh no, i'm I'm confusing the remake too.
00:15:46
Speaker
Yeah, the remake is just echoes comes back because his father like he inherited the buying he wants and then he's gonna sell it. Okay, but then in this one, and the TJ just there and this in this one, TJ is the mayor's son. And then TJ went to, I think, California, and then try to do something else. yeah that Something came back and he's just like, Well, I work in the mind now. And then basically, I want to be an actor. or something I don't know what happened. He's just there. ah All he knows is mining.
00:16:19
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, yeah, he gets, he gets welcomed back, but then his girlfriend just like, you left me. And he's like, well, I try to make it big. It's like, okay. So TJ, you just, did you break up with her or did you just like chicken, getting your car drive away? Yeah. he's One day he's drove off.
00:16:36
Speaker
yeah I mean, the movie doesn't focus on that, but just know that he left and he came back and he's like, it's not the same. It's like, yeah, man. But also you're like 20 something like some high schooler. You're like 30. I think specifically like the girl who's killing the opening ah like pickaxe kill when the coroner is like um he brings they're like examine the heart. He's like, this is like a healthy 30 year old woman's hearts.
00:17:03
Speaker
Ah, so I think that I think that's why I think it's oh they're all kind of like 30 ish is it's what their ages are um like late 20s, 30s. So I always say that because like in the how they're acting, it is like high schoolers. They just sort of are doing high school antics. And then, um, I mean, there is like a fun energy with them and you do hope that like they do something cool together.
00:17:33
Speaker
But they have these moments where it's always so fucking tense. And it's like, not only are they like friends, like off of work, at work, they're just like always trying to stop the two guys from fighting each other.
00:17:46
Speaker
Well, it seemed okay to begin with, it but then so I think it's if it's like someone mentions that they should be fighting each other because of Sarah, and they're like, oh, yeah, we should be. Yeah, you're right. See what I mean? Like, it's just like, hey, are you so mad that he's dating your your ex? Like, wait, what? And it's just like, nah, nah, I'm not. It's like, you should be. You're right, I should be. Because they're their other friend. when they When they go to hang out at the junkyard, where because i just that's what they do, they just hang out at the junkyard.
00:18:15
Speaker
And he's like playing harmonica. They're playing harmonica together. He's like, no, we can't play our market anymore. We're not, we're not friends anymore. He just is like, well, we got trouble. Don't we? And it's like, X was like, yep, we do. And it's like, all right. I'll fight you tomorrow in the mines. I guess that. Thought you tomorrow when you give me shit assignments or something. Yeah. Yeah. Go clean the sump pump, which you find out like later on is like a 60 foot deep sewage.
00:18:44
Speaker
like thing or just like dirty water. I don't know what a slip pump actually does, but a sump pump is basically water collects in there and then the water gets pushed out of that until another. So I guess, I guess, I guess it sucks all the water for the mind. It's like this giant pump. You've never had to deal with a sump pump. Oh, well, I never, yeah, I never had water in my basement, but yeah, yeah.
00:19:09
Speaker
Yeah, some pumps or some houses have them built in because that's how like the water pipeline is like higher than where the water gets like dropped in. So then they it collects in like a basement level and then the some pump will push it out. Some houses I know this because my parents has had this fucking problem where like they were designed to flood and then like if like basically all of the first like things to stop it from flooding don't work.
00:19:38
Speaker
then there is a sub hole that basically all the water will fun into. And then like that gets some pumped out. But it's like. How about we stop that? Like how how about we waterproof the basement and not just be like, ah fuck it? Like it's going to happen. Yeah, no, I am. The new place I'm at, you know, it was something that I was a nightmare of because some housing and not all some pumps are working for like floods, sometimes they're for your toilets system.
00:20:07
Speaker
Because like the water flow it's easier to go down and then back up because the pipeline is different So that's why some people where it's like Oh like not everyone flush your toilet at once because the sump pump can't handle like all that waste and it just like what happens when that happens It's like oh, no, it just comes out like there's no backup sub pump for that. I'm like what? See, that's what that's what kind of it seems like Akko was telling TJ to do like Go clean your toilets, basically, is what he was looking to do. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I understand that, but then it's like, wait, like, when, you know, it's like, who's shitting in the mine? Yeah. That's what everybody was just like, all right, I'll do it. It's fine. I just think it's funny to think that they're in somewhere in the mine, it's just the designated, like, toilet cave to some, like, chamber, like, chamber pot.
00:20:58
Speaker
all All the towns waste, it's just a pipe from the town, it's like dumpster. It's like, oh yeah, it's mine, and also it's the the town's like sewage dump. You know, for all we know, Zach, this is just a Canadian thing. It's like, no, that's our Canadians up on mine. like Oh, okay. Culturally, we don't understand that, but the Canadians, they're just like, no, that's what you do.
00:21:24
Speaker
But yeah, so yeah, so they're so they're fighting they're fighting each other. that's the whole like There's a whole lot of stuff between them. And then like there's that scene that's out of like a 70s melodrama where like TJ drives Sarah to their spot that they used to go to, which is like barren waste stuff. I guess because it's winter. maybe maybe it looks Maybe it looks nicer like December or something. But in February in Nova Scotia, there's this like like chill, barren wasteland on the coast.
00:21:53
Speaker
It's like, it's so romantic. Yeah, remember our spot? Remember um everything we had together? Okay, so again, it proves my point that TJ made the right decision to leave. You know, it's like, why would you leave this TJ? And he's just like staring at basically a horse die in like the wasteland. And then it was like, yeah as he as he as he pounds a boost head logger.
00:22:22
Speaker
But you know um yeah, it's a working town. It makes sense. like the But it's like an infrastructure town. like they It seems like they have like services. and its you know I mean, it's not just a corporate like trailer park where it's just like the mine and their house. like There's a whole infrastructure there.
00:22:43
Speaker
yeah no no no where There isn't an evil mind operator guy that's like ah you know forcing the work or like making this the mind unsafe. We never really see any sort of overseer guy. like yeah there's no like they Besides the one incident 20 years ago where the the the team broke protocol because the supervisors wanted to leave to go party, I think that's it. Everyone else was pretty good at like You know, like it seemed like the workers cared for each other. It seemed like a town cared for the workers. It just, it all made the economy was based in that mine. So it wouldn't make sense to cut the corners because I guess the people they would cut the corners are, are their friends and neighbors. So, well, oh I guess the mayor, cause it's, it's, in it's Hanukkah mine, right? So like the mayor, uh, the PG and the mayor, like they own the mind basically.
00:23:37
Speaker
See, like that's what he's confused about. So the mayor owns the mine? Yeah, and then he's the mayor of the town, I guess, too. But the other thing is, the mayor sent his son to work in the mine. So it's not like TJ gets some sort of like privilege to just not work, or he just instantly becomes manager or something. Wasn't it? Is there a line where the mayor was like, oh, yeah, he like my son came back. I told him, yo, yo, we're the mine. We're mine people.
00:24:04
Speaker
Yes. I mean, that's why i'm like think that's why he's a good mayor because he's like, everyone does their job. You work for the town. So he must mine. Yeah. And if you don't work in the mine, it's either the bar, the laundromat or the pharmacy or the police station. ah yeah but Is that all there are in the town? I mean, it's basically all we see is like we see like I think Sarah works at the pharmacy.
00:24:30
Speaker
And then there's a laundromat where, uh, what's, what's her name? Is it it, was it? Yeah. Oh, the secretary woman. who's Who's like, who's like organizing all the, like the decorations and stuff. Midge or Mary. She works there or she was just decorating there. I think she owns it. That's ah this's what I, that's what I got is like, she owns the like, um, laundry mat, but then she also like helps. She's like the town, like the,
00:25:00
Speaker
decorating committee or something is like she's like like running that with like all the other one helping her. You know, I don't mind that this town, everyone, even though they're in like a political office, they have like a day job. Mm hmm. You know, they're not just like sitting there pushing pen like kind of like shuffling paperwork and like, you know, OK, that's my day.
00:25:24
Speaker
I'll just like charge the town a salary. It just seems like everyone's doing things. When's the last time you've been to a town where the mayor was the mayor and then also like, like a CVS worker or something? Like, huh, interesting town. I always heard that the mayor sheriff have been the same sometimes. But that's like in movies I've seen. Yeah.
00:25:53
Speaker
Um, but that's what I like about this movie. It's very like Midwest kind of like heartland community. Uh, and then because it's from 81, no one's got cell phones. Everyone just likes, what's that? What do you do after work? You just get hammered and then you drive. Yep.
00:26:12
Speaker
Um, you're cooking barbecue out of a car. So you're poisoning yourself like two ways. Yeah. That's when they're hanging out the junkyards. Yeah. They're like, Oh yeah. We don't, we couldn't afford a barbecue grill. We're just going to cook it on this, uh, the, like the top of this engine.
00:26:30
Speaker
I couldn't even, like, what did they even cook? What were they even cooking? I think they said like, just meat, just random meat, just meat on a, on an engine top.
00:26:40
Speaker
which I've seen people do, but it's like a very like, Hey, I'm driving a car already. And you like wrap the food and foil. So it tries not to get so much like exposure. Yeah. But I don't know, man. I don't think they're caring about that. They're just coal miners. They're just throwing like raw meat onto like a car engine.
00:27:07
Speaker
I mean, it's February, Canada. What are you going to do? That's true. Yeah, yeah. ah What did you think about, like, everyone in this town just already having Valentine's Day dates? I think so besides, like, the one friend, Howie, because he's, like, the the group comedian. but It's like T.J. and Howie are, like, are single. And then everyone else is, like, married or... but Basically married, yeah.
00:27:36
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's such a weird, like, because the Vail nights they dance is such a big deal. But then it doesn't seem like it brings in people from outside the town. And it's also not really like a singles like, oh, we're gonna, go everyone's gonna go like, we'll like meet people today. It's like, no, we're just gonna go with like, our, our boyfriends, we we've noticed this high school that we've been together with for like 10 years.
00:27:58
Speaker
Yeah, it's not like it's not like another town to come and like merge the town or like, hey, you send your signals. You send your singles and we send our single. So like not everyone's related to each other. You know, like what they do and like like tribal things. So that's why you get like new matches. So you're not just dating your cousin.
00:28:20
Speaker
i feel like Like I feel like you're like this dance is just gonna be the same thing to do like already at the bar They're just gonna drink moose and just like dance to like like Canadian rock music and he anything to rush any like hot dog like hot dogs boiling water like that's That's eventually what the party is when they like ah The main party gets cancelled. It's like well, let's go. do it Let's go to the ah mine rec hall and we'll do it there and Okay. So the killer is pissed about this party. Yeah. yeah Like the minor was this, the main town party canceled and he's, he kills ah a few people to make his point.
00:29:03
Speaker
But it's funny cause like, I guess like it's a tradition that every Valentine's at the Valentine's day dance, right? That will already, they had, it looked very,
00:29:17
Speaker
um This is gonna sound very culturalist in ages, but it just seemed like a retirement party. ah yeah And then in the the but like second party, the one that they're like, okay, we'll do it in like the mining cafeteria, where they just eat bold hot dogs and just have beer that is already there, I think. No one seems like they brought beer. Beer is just at that place.
00:29:45
Speaker
This is the mind stockpile of beer. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's there's literally beer everywhere. Like every scene has like a case of who said it is. It's true. True. Again, the killer is just like angry. He's like, oh, no, having fun today. oh Well, yeah, because the whole because the whole thing is he blames the Valentine's Day dance for the cave in. So he doesn't want them to have the Valentine's Day dance. But they're trying to have it for the first time 20 years.
00:30:14
Speaker
But then it's yeah, but that's like what is it like? No, it's gonna be at the mine. All the miners are at the dance.
00:30:25
Speaker
So yes, it would make more sense if ah the miner was like one of the mine like totally shut down because of what happened and he's just like killing people in the mine.
00:30:37
Speaker
Actually, that makes more sense. Yeah, thats was like that's what this this and the remake both kind of like like it's just the Valentine's Day thing is like so kind of like smashed into it awkwardly of like the mind stuff.
00:30:51
Speaker
Cause you have a really like, you have an iconic look with like the minor where he's got the gas mask at the pickaxe. Like that's like a cool killer. But then as he, we he does all the Valentine's day stuff, which would be like, you feel there would be a totally different like type of killer or different, like he can wear like a cupid mask or something or like, like I'm i'm the cupid killer or something. like Yeah. Uh, I mean right now I think.
00:31:16
Speaker
Like heart eyes. is Heart eyes just give out, yeah. Yeah, it's going to be the new, the better, like, love killer, because I've heard it's actually surprisingly better than you think it's going to be. That's on my to watch list. um But it's like, yeah, that utilizes the whole love thing, because I feel like the minor should be killing couples. His goal in this should have been either the mine or killing people who are like,
00:31:44
Speaker
in a relationship because it's Valentine's Day, you know, people celebrate openly celebrating Valentine's Day in the town. Yeah. So he should go around, uh, you know, around the town kind of judging. He's like, Hmm, this couple looks too much like it's joining Valentine's Day too much. Like pickaxe of the face. Yeah.
00:32:09
Speaker
But then that wouldn't make sense for him to be a minor. If he's totally against Valentine's Day and couples and love and stuff, he'd be a totally... He would need a totally different motif. He would need to be not a minor. He'd be like... He'd be a cupid. A murderous cupid or something, yeah. Wasn't that the... That one, Valentine, the 2001 movie? That was a guy that had a cupid mask in that one.
00:32:40
Speaker
Not about that one, but i i know I know what you're talking about. Mm-hmm.
00:32:49
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It it is. it's Yeah, just it's it's it's like this minor, this killer minor is so obsessed with ah stopping this one, felt like the Valentine's Day dance. I guess if it was any like if it was Christmas, he'd be like, he'd be like killing people, on like be like, no Christmas. He'd be like the Grinch or something.
00:33:10
Speaker
if the exit happened on any other holiday. Yeah, um it's just unfortunate that it's Valentine's Day. And of all the celebrations for Valentine's Day dance, it's not like, I guess they were going to charge people tickets to go. That's what I'm trying to say. What was the like so special about this? like It's like, first time in 20 years, we're going to have the Valentine's Day the dance again. But also I enjoy that basically in the first 10 minutes of that,
00:33:39
Speaker
When it's like the Valentine's Day dance, good. And then the mayor gets the heart, like, message and he's like, ah, shit! Like, yep! He said Harry Warden! That damn Harry Warden's back! I do, I love the, uh, the woman at the, like, mental hospital who's, like, totally unhelpful. He's like, I don't know! Like, we don't have any records of him. He, like, either got escaped, he either died or he's missing, I don't know. Like... I'm not doing my job. Fuck off, like...
00:34:11
Speaker
Then they have to call someone else, the sheriff has to call someone else. it's It will take like till like the next week for them to find out if they're even locked up or not.
00:34:26
Speaker
Well, it's funny because you basically get like what the mental institution like policies were back then where you just call, no verification, no like, can you keep checking? They're like, I have to.
00:34:39
Speaker
like she doesn't even like go down she doesn't even i guess i guess she doesn't have any paperwork she doesn't know what room he's in but it's like no one even like walks down the hall or like like goes to like different rooms and sees like do we have a harry warden in here at all like can nurses like walk around and see if it's a guy named harry warden just like i don't have any paperwork nah i'm not gonna get up from my desk yeah there's just like another version of of basically the main cast, but like some Bobo version.
00:35:14
Speaker
You know what I mean? Like someone else got their own goddamn love story and they're just like, Hey, can we find the paperwork? It's like a cat. My ex girlfriend's in love with my ex friend. Well, it's also very how like they're also like, you know, taking cues from Halloween of Michael Myers escaping from the mental hospital. Oh, definitely. Definitely. What did you think about ah
00:35:40
Speaker
basically like Axel going on that like like depression arc where it's like like his Sarah to give him any reason to kind of doubt her but it's sort of like he's like oh you want to hang out with him all the time it's like oh man you're doing everything wrong to push him push her right into him
00:36:05
Speaker
Cause yeah, cause he's, he's getting like, he's getting rough at the the rec hall dance and she's like telling him to stop and he won't. And then he's like, Oh, is it because, is it cause TJ, you're like, are you with TJ now? I'm like, I'm going to slam this mouset outside and sit up and cry about it. I don't need you. but i do it on your I see my best friend Harry. That's what I need.
00:36:34
Speaker
It is, it is crazy to like, like someone that, that rec whole party starts, like the miner comes in and kills the guy and I s slept like drowning him in hot dogs. And then there's not really any more kills for like, like, I don't know, 15, 20 minutes. ah yeah Just like takes his time.
00:36:49
Speaker
Yeah, it it really does like a slow burn because you focus more on that romance, which we were like, kind of like it's getting very soap operay. And then because of the error, it reminds me of like an Archie comic. Like everyone's knows about everyone's business. Everyone's got it. Like saying, like everyone is being around for it, but no one is being helpful.
00:37:15
Speaker
Like none of the friends are like, Hey man, like lay off or whatever. They're just like, Hey guys, let's just drink beer. Why, why are you like this? Let's enjoy some like barbecue and then like, let's go drive our car. Yeah. How is, like, how is storing beer up his nose? That's fun, right?
00:37:38
Speaker
Yeah. the kit that Like the kill, the kills are really spread out. Like, um, Especially in the first half of this movie, the skills are really spread apart. There's like long stretches where there's no kills.
00:37:50
Speaker
like he shove The minor shows may be able to like the the dryer, I guess. And that's like the like when the major kills in like the first part of the movie. But then, yeah, there's really not a lot until ah ah apart like toward the end of the party. really ah really like When they go into finally go into the mine, that's when it finally bring ramps up.
00:38:11
Speaker
but like Well, the mine itself is like a great set piece. How you get there, though, is, I don't know, like the most Canadian, like, hey, let's go to the mine. The girls want to go in the mine. It's like, why? They want to ride the train. It's like ah it's like a feet park. It's like, woo, mine. There's no girls in the mine. That's why it's fun, because they they get to go to the place where they're forbidden. Isn't one of the workers a girl?
00:38:39
Speaker
I was Was she a worker or was he just like? Like stuck her in. They were like, oh yeah, just like a minor for it to be so hard if you're just like a minor and took it then took your mining gear off.
00:38:51
Speaker
yeah the whole The whole opening is so, like, we, we, we, we were going to talk about, but we didn't really talk about, like, when she's like, like fondling, like the gas mask line stuff. And it's just like, what is this? It's like, like a weird, like, and I think you said like a dar like a Darth Vader fetish or something, where it's like, oh yeah, that mask and that breathing, like, I want to rub your hose. It's like, I thought this would be like a running gag and it's not. It's like just this one woman who had a mining fetish and it's like,
00:39:17
Speaker
the minor guy is an actual minor is like jackpot. I don't know. And then it just, he saw that tattoo and he's like, Valentine's. But it doesn't always mean Valentine's just a heart. I guess he hates hearts. Yeah. God forbid you see the heart because then you'll freak out.
00:39:42
Speaker
Uh, but what, what did you think? Um, where basically all the friends are just like, Hey, like I want to fuck in the mind. I was like, all right, you're following that stereotype. You're just like this, this is romantic. Really? It's cold. It's dark. And it's like, Ooh, it's like, what is your home lives like people?
00:40:05
Speaker
Yeah, i like I like that one couple. um it's like um was it They're like, oh, we'll catch up with you guys in like 10 minutes. We'll meet you in the main shaft. And they're like, oh, all right, yeah. And then the more girls are like, this is where you work. It's so cool. And he's like, yeah, here's the here's the fuck couch. but
00:40:31
Speaker
And then they're they're the ones to get the, uh, like the auger drill through them. But then I think there was actually footage, like they filmed footage, they had like really good, like special effects of them, like actually going through them. yeah that was part That was part of the censoring of the that. They got hit with.
00:40:49
Speaker
Yeah, this movie, I feel like... I know there's an unrated version floating around. I saw the, like, rated version, so... I think there was a... The latest, like, Blu-ray or DVD had, um... They found... They put three minutes back in. that But that that means there's so there's, like, six minutes still missing that... I guess it exists. Like, um... One of the producers said so like it actually exists somewhere, but it's it's it's never been kind of, like, put it back into the movie.
00:41:19
Speaker
which what you think would be like considering how much of a cult following it has and like all these like arrow and like vinegar syndrome you think like one of them would like get like the full like unrated like all complete blah blah blah back it out there somehow but i mean i still so in all we're talking about i still prefer this version so far because everything we're talking about Even though it's a slow burn, you care more about the people. You like follow more of like the story of the town. Where in the remake, it like you don't even see that. You barely see like three locations. Well, the i mean the remake is of a piece of all the... like that That era was just all like the Schlock remakes.
00:42:05
Speaker
Like, you know, prom night got a remake. like Black Christmas got a remake. All, and it's all, that you're just like trying to pull, like pull all these like classics, flashing movies and make them, you know, the new versions and they're all, they're all like pretty much all inferior to the originals.
00:42:22
Speaker
So and and my the remake two was, that was also like the 3d because it's my buddy available type 3d. Oh yeah. Oh my God. And I think i annoying to not watch it without 3d. It wasn't, was there a shot in the new, and in the remake where the Meyer throws the pig at the screen? and And that's like it's like the big like 3D moment. Oh, in the beginning. Yeah, it's like, but it's like stop. There's a lot of things, people like throwing things and then it being caught by like a window or like something caught in the doorway. So it it's halts. So it doesn't come off the screen, but just enough like comes. So it looks like it would have come at you if it wasn't for the in movie, like um physical thing.
00:43:05
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, yeah, I feel like, yeah, that, that was a gimmick to get 3d back into people's minds. This movie, I do enjoy it being a straight, more suspenseful movie because there's no, like, I guess there's not too many gimmicks. You know, like it's not like in this movie, they pull out some like political thing that's related to the time. There's no like name dropping a famous song or anything. It's really just like them having fun in this town.
00:43:35
Speaker
And then, um, like you get a better sense that this town is very small knit. And then TJ is the one who's like sort of disrupting it. You know, he like is from there. It's like, Oh, he went, he went to California.
00:43:56
Speaker
He's not, he's not one of us anymore. Like yeah, corrupted by America. Yeah. he's He's no longer Canadian in their eyes.
00:44:11
Speaker
That hoser. I'm surprised no one's used that word in this movie. Yeah. There's, there's like a, like a ah lack of, you despite how thick the Canadian accents are, like there's not, I feel like there's like a lot of slot, you know, call it people hosers. There's just, ah there's a lot of ah boots and sorries. Like, oh, sorry.
00:44:33
Speaker
Yeah, for for like Canadians, theyre they are like Axel and TJ go at it for like how not like patient they are. But technically it's, Axel does egg, uh, no, TJ eggs Axel on cause he keeps pointing out like Sarah loves me. Sarah loves me. She's going to leave you for me. I'm going to get her back. We were together before you. like Yeah. Not, not the best to say to your friend.
00:44:59
Speaker
I feel it would have been great if the miner was also like very polite Canadian and just like every time he killed someone it's like, Oh, sorry. Sorry. I'm a little, little little loony up there. Like, sorry about that. Oh, you know, once we got all swinging, you just got to keep swinging.
00:45:18
Speaker
I just, I just hate that Valentine's day.
00:45:24
Speaker
But, uh, yeah, so I guess get like, yeah, so we there's a few more kills in the mind. Yeah. Like we like we said, um, I think it's, is it, uh, we try, we try to keep all the names there. I think it's Hollis who is, I think we're talking about, it kind of looks like a, like the poor man's John Candy or like he's like the, a very like stereotypical, like, like big Canadian guy with a mustache. Big friendly Canadian guy. He's the one who like is the ah heart of the group.
00:45:53
Speaker
And it's like, out of everyone, I wanted him to survive. Because he's like the he's like he's like the dad. He's just like, all right, everyone, calm down. like i'm the i'm the I'm the mustache dad. like like No more roughhousing. He just wants a good time. He just wants to hang out with his friends, like drink with his girlfriend in a mine cart.
00:46:14
Speaker
um And then he gets shot in the head by a nail gun. Yeah. Which it's very confusing to be shot. I don't know if that's part of like the censoring, but it's like, you're kind of just like, wait, did the miners have a gun now? Like he's just like shooting it with a gun because it has like the silencer, like suppressing sound on it. But then it's like, oh, but then when he's almost into like the next scene and it's like, oh, wait, no, it was, it was a nail gun. He has nails sticking out of his head.
00:46:43
Speaker
but it's kind But it kind of feels like the miners gave up. it's like I'm just going to shoot people now. I'm not going to use all this mining shit. I'm just going to pull my gut out.
00:46:56
Speaker
And but there's the augers. There's the fake out where like ah Axel fall falls into i guess the sub pump water.
00:47:11
Speaker
And then that, that was like, uh, there's no evidence. Just like, it it looks weird. It was just like bubbles. I love TJ. Just like, cause Sarah's freaking out and she's like, Oh no, he's gone. It's it too deep. I can't jump in there. He's gone. Like, you can still see, like, you can see like under the water still. It's like, Oh no, he's drowned. It's not, he's gone. He's super dead. Just any excuse. be Like now he's dead. Just let him go. Um, okay. All right. But before that, um,
00:47:41
Speaker
There's the. ah
00:47:45
Speaker
Like Howard, he's the guy that would like abandon the two girls so that he could run ahead. And I guess like he gets caught upstairs and then thrown down off street. Yeah, like that might have throws like he gets like like throws him off on like a noose. But OK, there are some weird things going on later about that, like how this mine and then who's doing what at what time?
00:48:11
Speaker
Well, it's, it's odd where they're like, Oh, we have to climb this giant, with the kind of like super crazy ladder to get out. That's the only way to get out. We can't like go back up on the train, but then don't they eventually were like, Oh, let's, uh, this ladder's not working. Let's just go back to the train. Yep. Well, they're like, Oh, he's waiting up there. So in order to get a job but drop drop off him, we'll take the train. We'll take the tunnel route. But okay. The point I'm saying is.
00:48:39
Speaker
Well, talk about the spoiler when we get ready for the big reveal, but yeah, like the minor seems like he's one with the mine. And this so. It is spooky that you're and i was like, ah, shit, like these attacks done by Harry, who is a minor and we're hanging out in the mine that we all know, you know, we're breaking protocol. it Just like, come on, man, you ask for all this fucking problem.
00:49:11
Speaker
Cause at this point they think it's still Harry. They think Harry is like running around causing those problems. And he knows like he worked there for like forever. So he knows all like all the shortcuts and all the ways to like get between all the different places of the mind. And I guess TJ has been there a little bit, but not like not this long. Yeah. I don't know if I don't know if he worked there before he left to go to whatever he was going to do, but he's, yeah, I feel like he's only been back like a little bit. Like he's only been back like.
00:49:42
Speaker
Not like, not like months. He's been like a week a couple weeks or something. Yeah.
00:49:50
Speaker
Well, you know, I want to get into the, the spoiler soon. Well, I was, I was going to do like, I love that the, the sheriff just like, uh, basically like gets a posse together of like all, i all these other minors that we've never seen before. This is like show up. It's like, Oh, here's all the other, like all the other guys that work in the mind. So for like, I guess maybe.
00:50:13
Speaker
and they all show up with their pickaxes. It's like, yeah, we're gonna, let's go kill this guy. Let's go, kill let's go, let's go kill this guy. Harry, can I a fight like for good? Cause it's only like, it's only like a couple other extra cops, but it's like this whole like posse of minors. It's the mom mentality. That's just all the work, able-bodied men. Yeah. It just, it just went back to work. Cause I think it's only, I think the town only has two cops. It's the sheriff and then the other guy, like the younger guy.
00:50:41
Speaker
But then yeah I guess he called maybe called in like the Canadian Mounties or something or something like other town over to come and help them. But yeah, but yeah, they they all. ah They all kind of like going like rushing the mine, they'd like follow the train down. ah because There's the the the fight on the train like like the slow motion train fight. yeah Yeah, that reminded me of like a Star Trek fight.
00:51:09
Speaker
the slow like wind up and like everyone's ducking but it's like all telegraphed you could probably but you could probably put that uh was a buck time over that probably very good data datatatatatatata i still can figure out sarah's like plan she like almost gets in the way of tj Well, doesn't she jump off first? cheating I think so, but then with the shovel, I think she falls off or jumps off first, but then she like hands TJ the shovel, then she like hugs him. So it's like, oh man, you're really trying to get in the way of this goddamn fight.
00:51:47
Speaker
Yeah, so it's's yeah they're it's like a a shovel pickaxe fight. They go into the abandoned tunnel that's like, I don't i know if that's where the cave-in was or it was just like another like another dangerous part of the mine, but They end up in that like area. And ah the miner causes another cave in.
00:52:08
Speaker
And then we get yeah but then we get the big twist, which is the miner is actually not Harry Warden. It's Axel. Somehow. he Yeah, he he swam back up through the sub pump water and ah got back out and i was like chasing them again.
00:52:25
Speaker
See, I don't think he fell in the sub pump. I think he like threw something in there because it wouldn't make sense for him to like throw himself the sub pump. We used them to walk away and then we um climb back out. Well, they saw him like he fall. He fell through like the wooden, like that fret, like rickety wooden bridge that goes over the sub pump. He fell off the railing. And then they're like, oh, no, then he's like, oh, no, God, he's like he fell in. He's gone.
00:52:54
Speaker
So I don't know because it's very weird because it just it didn't seem ah like TJ like TJ just looked over. Oh, he's dead. And I was like moved on. It's like, wait, what? And then it's actually it's even wet when he comes back. I don't know. He's like he's like totally dry. It's like, yeah. I couldn't figure out that. Yeah, that's odd. And then And you find out that he was hiding under the bed when Harry came and killed his father because his father was the one of the mine supervisors. that call like Harry blames for the mine collapse. so but then
00:53:34
Speaker
that So that made act like little eight-year-old axles quote insane. and But he's he hasn't done anything until they reinstated the Valentine's Day dance.
00:53:52
Speaker
but he waited 20 years. I guess he was like, that's the thing. Okay. So Axel essentially was fine up until they announced the dance. And then that's where he went. But the woman in the beginning wasn't his, wasn't Sarah. It looked like her, but then he brought her down there just to kill her or he he was going to like not snap yet until the woman reveals her heart. And then it's just like all that like trauma comes back to him.
00:54:23
Speaker
I feel like they should have had something where he like you know he went and visited Harry or something. like like He became obsessed with the the person that killed his father and then like had like some sort of twisted like idolization of him or something. like oh my my Harry's my friend. I'm doing this for him. like kind of He says that, but there's the you like it's just like him saying it. They never show him. That's the only explanation we get.
00:54:50
Speaker
Well, I think he he became like like the pain of Harry. His like motivated motivation to kill is what motivates him to kill now because now he like is like Harry because that's why it's like the mine is now his like thing.
00:55:08
Speaker
Yeah. Cause he, he, he's caught in debris. He like somehow cuts his own art, like he rips his own arm arm off and then runs into the mind. That's kind of like, he's like, I'm going to get you all, I'm going to kill you all. So I, I, I like that.
00:55:22
Speaker
In some people like some people wrote like it's not like it's like the combination of him being like very mentally ill and then blood loss has now made him like that almost like insane killer like final speech he gives before like he dies in a corner somewhere. So I like that it's just like this like it his mind is completely fractured his body is fractured like It's a ah proper send off for like a very like malicious person. Because, you know what I mean? Like, yeah, he was a serial killer. He gets his comeuppance. And it's like, no matter what, like you'll remember him in his mind forever now. He also gets he gets to do the picture line where he says like, Sarah, you're my bloody valentine. Be my bloody valentine. Yeah, that's like the last line of the movie, too.
00:56:19
Speaker
which is interesting Because it's like up but at this point, it's not like he's leaving play Valentine's for everyone. He's not like saying this. It's just like his last one is the last few things. It's like that. He said it. He said the thing. Well, it's funny. He drops the Valentine's Day thing once he gets to the party, like he starts like he starts murdering people at the party.
00:56:40
Speaker
But the build up to the like buildup to the like the dance of the party is elaborate Valentine's Day themed killings and ah evidence and stuff. like and leaving Leaving the boxes of hearts and the poems. True. But that but but it must it's but then just like, ah I'm just going to kill people with mining equipment. i'm just go like It's too complicated to be like a miner and like this Valentine's Day killer.
00:57:09
Speaker
You know, the, my blade Valentine 3d mist was someone saying that in the movie. Yeah. I don't think, yeah, there's just, just an echo says it's like yellow, like something about like being able like my buddy Valentine or anything. Nope. It's kind of like a crucial thing. Cause it's the point of the whole, yeah it's like I'm sure people, people are just like, why was it called my buddy Valentine? Yup. Is it, is it named after the band? At that point, I think my blind Valentine came up before the remake movie.
00:57:38
Speaker
No, yeah, because they they they named themselves after the 81 movie. but But they formed like way before the remake came out, so. Yeah, so it'd be funny if it was just like in the movie, Jason Ecclesons was like, be my boy of Valentine's 3D. We're just like sensing of my boy Valentine titles of a song.
00:58:01
Speaker
they they didn't use the They didn't use the like crazy folk song at the end of the ah remake either, did they? No, that may not answer. When they started playing, I was just like, what the hell is this? It's a minor song. What is this? Did they get like Jim Croce? Did they sort of like Corin Lightfoot? I think the song is about Harry? It's the Ballad of Harry Warden. Yeah. So another thing, okay I want to get into the whole, what how did Axel pull this off?
00:58:38
Speaker
So in scenes where he just like is angry and goes outside, he like has to run to a locker, change his clothes, run and commit murder, then like run back. Yeah, because he's he's wearing like a like oh like a flannel, like a thick flannel shirt and like a one of those downy vests at the party. So then he has to go change into a minor outfit and then kill someone and then change back and then run to the party be like, oh, hey, what's going on, guys? Like, what's it's like, it's like, it's a scene where like, clue, everyone's like, oh, who's on camera during this time? Who's not in the room? um Some parts are even weirder because it's like when Howard died, I don't know how he managed to kill him. but Like the guy that falls off the like yeah he's dead and they like throw his body through the noose to the the like mine shaft. Yeah.
00:59:34
Speaker
How did he time that?
00:59:39
Speaker
Like he heard them climbing the ladder, I guess. He was just like waiting on top. like He was on the ladder. Oh, yeah, he was. Yeah. Did he have like a you have like a secret string they pulled or something? like I got to be that yeah i gave me the first one with the ladder. I got to go first. So not only that, the timing is weird. Like just how he did this is insane because he killed ah fake knockoff John Candy right with the nail gun during this time. And then he was walking towards them. At this point Howard ran away from the two girls and then that's when TJ shows up and then like Axel runs off. So he didn't use the same exit like but the same path that they were on.
01:00:25
Speaker
he had to go through another like hall. Somehow that was higher up a level, kill Howard, tie his body through a string, run back down, meet up with the group and walk up the ladder. Like this happens and it's just like, huh? Like is there a secret elevator that like they don't know? Yeah. Secret tunnels. So that's just one of them, but there's a whole bunch of scenes like that. Well, he also, if if he actually did get knocked into that, uh, that pit of water,
01:00:55
Speaker
He had to had to climb out and then he killed Patty, like the other the like ah Alice's girlfriend. yep yep and then And then go and like get like the train flight with TJ and Sarah. Well, at that point, he's just there. yeah But yeah, he had to swim out the water, change our dry version of his clothes, yep and then
01:01:24
Speaker
like then have the train fight, which I get it, but he's a triathlete. What is he doing in this town?
01:01:33
Speaker
ah I mean, it's not as complicated as in my bloody Valentine's 3D, but I do like the difference. So, sparkle art for both movies. Not so much now, of this movie, but in the remake, it's TJ this time, that's the killer.
01:01:50
Speaker
Yes. And the setup is bizarre, where it's supposed to be the spirit of Harry enters T.J. Or it's like it's it's a split personality like he he took because I think because he sees like he almost gets killed by the actual Harry warden and then the sheriff kills Harry warden with the shooting him. And then but then like T.J. slash Tom is like ah traumatized with that. and so then his mind breaks and he he makes a separate personality that's Harry in his own brain. And he's not aware of it like he's Tom and then he's like he breaks and becomes like the minor Harry Warden. And then there are scenes where his mind is doing the actions and he's just sort of like a Fight Club esque.
01:02:43
Speaker
Yeah, especially after they revealed that like at the end he's just like he's like it's Jensen Ackles not in a minor outfit. Just like I'm a crazy killer now. He's taking over me. It's not as good as this where it's a surprise. But then it's like, oh man, Axel why he's just like, I'm crazy. I go.
01:03:06
Speaker
so And it that last that's the thing, the last bit where you see Axel just sort of ranting and raving and running away and bleeding. It's like that is like his mind unhinged. And he's not, you know, it's implied that he doesn't make it far from his thing, because it's like one way in that mind, one way out. So he lost a hand. He's badly injured.
01:03:35
Speaker
And that's the horrifying thing about it. It's like the town knows, but now what? The other weird thing with the remake is that like the whole, the whole movie they're trying to, they're like, it's, oh, everyone's suspicious of Tom because he comes back to town and and then these murders are happening. But then they really go out of the way of like, oh no, he's not killing, like he's, you gotta be sympathetic to him. Like he's like the good guy. And then it was like, nope, he's the bad guy. Like he ah is the killer actually.
01:04:02
Speaker
I do like the mis minor misdirection where you think it could be Axel. And it's the shit, because he's the sheriff now. yeah And then it's like, well, you have all the motive. You're the one cheating, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, what? No. But there is a line in there that is very like CW. I mean, it's already a CW drama. um At one point, he's like, just shoot us both. Like at some point where he's like, Sarah, like has an abundance pointing at both of them.
01:04:29
Speaker
Axel realized how like insane the situation is. Just like, I don't know, just just shoot us and play the odds. And that's when TJ is just like, wait, whoa, whoa, hold on here. You gotta ruin this whole plan I got. Yeah. Isn't it isn' it crazy that both the Supernatural guys were in, like, slasher movie remakes? And then he was the other guy. The same year. Like, Jerry Padalecki was in the Friday the 13th, the 2009 Friday the 13th. So in same year. Did he live? Wow. Wait, did he live in that one?
01:04:58
Speaker
I think he did. He was, cause he's the guy that's trying to find like, he's the, cause his sister gets, is like kidnapped by Jason in the beginning of that, like in that crazy, like 30 minute long prologue in that movie. And then he shows up afterwards, like, Hey, I'm trying to find my sister. You know, I haven't seen the Friday the 13th remake movie in a long time, but like, I remember it fondly as not being bad. No, the, yeah, the remake Friday the 15th remake is pretty fun actually.
01:05:26
Speaker
Like it kind of, it kind of, it's like a greatest hits of like the first three or four. Cause you kind of get like all that you get. You get Pamela Voorhees, you get sack head, Jason, you get like hockey, mass, Jason, all the same movie that kind of gets everything. The one movie. Yeah. In terms of remakes, it's not terrible. Some people, some purists are mad about it, but like when I saw it just in the mood of like, Hey, this is an attempt and I'm like, it wasn't bad. Mm-hmm.
01:05:54
Speaker
yeah I only like rented it and then I bought it eventually on DVD when it was like two bucks. But. Yeah, like that's what's surprising about my blood Valentine 3D because I haven't seen it and God knows when. And then I saw it like right after this to compare the two. And yeah, like it it does an interesting remake problem, but then it introduces like too much. I mean, that's all all these remake like a lot of the remakes just try to make it way too complicated.
01:06:25
Speaker
There's like, well, we got to make it complicated now. We can't just be same we can't just tell the same story. like Audiences want it to be more complicated. I guess you're right. So they they throw the whole selling the mind thing and the yeah the but personality thing. They throw way too much stuff on top of what should be a straightforward, you know like the first one is a guy in a mind outfit killing people.
01:06:58
Speaker
But I mean, my belief in remake is not like I would put that like in the middle tier of like all those remakes. I mean, there's there's definitely someone that are worse than that one, but it's definitely not the best of those.
01:07:11
Speaker
I think also was that era of like the last one that had new metal. Oh, geez. Yeah. I remember that was a thing. But in this movie, because there's like a lack of a soundtrack, it's just sort of the ambient sounds of 81.
01:07:27
Speaker
i think really I think there's like some sort of generic song at the bar and then at the party. But yeah, like just again, like when when that folk song starts playing at the end, it's just like, whoa, what is happening? You're watching a different movie because the song but should be like in a movie about forestry or something.
01:07:51
Speaker
Uh, but yeah, like the minor still pretty good. I actually don't mind the minor in both the remake and this. There's something cool about just like a minor that has that like wo war one or two, like gas mass aesthetic that is universally creepy. No. Yeah. They definitely, they they found a good iconic look for the killer. Like that's like one of the part part parts of any of these slasher movies is you got to have like an iconic look for your killer character. It reminds me of like a rooted up version of Hulk, a hunk from Resident Evil 2. Mm hmm. Just the mask, be the like you can't tell what he's looking at eyes. And then he's very like good at killing with his hands because he's just like his hand in hand combat skills make no sense for just. A minor training, you know, like it's he's not a combat vet.
01:08:48
Speaker
Working those lines teaches you how to basically do all this, I guess. Yeah, I go to the gym about like, you know, two or three times a week and do some boxing, do some kickboxing. And then i I do some marathon running and then I i drink some moose head. Yeah, go to the bar, drink some moose head. This is some rush. then ah Then I take my girl out, Sarah. We go to our favorite burger spot and then we watch ah The Meat Factory.
01:09:18
Speaker
We go to the junkyard. I don't know. The junkyards are the boys. Yeah. Where they can cook their ah engine meat and drink in peace. Play dueling harmonicas.
01:09:37
Speaker
See, if this was like a sequel movie where you watch the first movie. It is the hairy part where it's like he comes into town, he kills, and then that's it. But then the second movie is like the um aftermath. And then you realize that, oh, maybe Harry's back. And it's like, no, it's actually this guy now. Like, whoa, it doesn't matter who the miner is, just like the fact that whoever is someone took up the pursuit, the mantle of the miner, you know? I think that'd be a cool idea.
01:10:08
Speaker
Well, I guess they tried to make a sequel to this one, but it didn't, like, it made a little bit of money, but ah Paramount was like, it didn't make as much as Friday to eat, so Paramount was like, nah, we're not gonna make a sequel.
01:10:23
Speaker
because Because Paramount got, like but like, bought this basically thinking it was gonna be ah another Friday to eat movie. Ah. That makes sense. You know, I think, actually, I did look on the Wikipedia, it says that Blumhouse might remake this.
01:10:40
Speaker
Someone yeah like wants to make this movie.
01:10:45
Speaker
I mean, if it's if it's more if it's closer to like the original one, I would say maybe. Yeah. I mean, just keep it simple. Don't overcomplicate it. Don't introduce something crazy where it's like it's mind control. It's like a mentoring candidate thing. Or have it be Sarah this time.
01:11:05
Speaker
She was, yeah, she was married to the minor, Harry Warden or something. Sarah Warden. She was secretly Harry's daughter or something. Oh, yeah. to Do the scream thing. And then there's like ah ah it's like a ghost Harry Warden. It's like a period where he's like, kill them. They're celebrating Valentine's Day. Kill them. Yeah. There you go. We've basically made the life of Valentine's 40. In fact, you have to like carry in like a pickaxe. Let's see this. They'll be the popcorn bucket.
01:11:35
Speaker
i but You could only put like four kernels in there. It'll be a mining mask. Oh, full of popcorn. You have to wear the mask and then you get funnel in the popcorn from the mouth. I'd do some psychos would watch a movie like that. It's like that when you like like people like they like like smoke. They like smoke or water like they have it like go up to gas gas the mask. Yeah.
01:12:00
Speaker
I've seen that. I feel like that's a nightmare for me. Cause it's like, not only is it just all the air you breathe is vapor, which is fine if you're into that, but like the, like, if you start coughing or something goes wrong, you have to write it out. Cause it's on your face. It goes in your eyes and your nose, like the whole mess is filling up with smoke. Yeah. Yeah. I think the eye part scares me more of the smoke going in your eyes.
01:12:28
Speaker
It's about going in your mouth and nose. That's like designed to do that. But it goes in your eyes like, all right. Yeah.
01:12:36
Speaker
but Anyway. um Yeah. If no one steals our popcorn bucket idea for a play Valentine thing, we want to cut. I'm pleased people don't make ah a bong mask out of it because it sounds like a nightmare. When they pull this when it comes out, we'll have to keep an eye on it. Rego AMC, keep an eye on them, and see if they steal our idea. See if we get a paycheck later about this.
01:12:59
Speaker
But yeah, I think they'll do it for my Lady of Valentine. We're gonna stick with horror next week. We're gonna talk about Monkey Shines because the monkey is coming out. It's the new Oscar the Perkins movie. It's featuring a toy monkey. Monkey Shines features a toy monkey on the poster, but it's actually a real monkey. So I don't know who designed that poster for Monkey Shines, but it definitely ties in directly to the monkey.
01:13:27
Speaker
So we'll be talking about that ah next week. the jordan a Is a deeper cut George Romero movie? I think definitely people think of his zombie movies first. I think it's a deeper cut.
01:13:43
Speaker
Yeah, he's he's got a bunch he's got like he's got a bunch of non-zombie movies that people are like, if you're a fan of him, you know them. But then regular people are like, wait, George Romero made other movies besides zombie movies? It's like, yes, and one of them was a evil psychic monkey that like fought a guy in a wheelchair. So we'll dive into all that next week. And then, however slightly we all of our usual, we got news, trailers, reviews, tons of trailers. I don't know, I guess, because Captain America, Brave New World's coming out this week. But there was like tons of trailers for like tons, like we got a bunch of, I count it two, we got, I'm trying to think what else came out. But a bunch of trailers came out, I don't know if it's like Chicago's out.
01:14:23
Speaker
um And yeah, all the regular features out there as well. Our counter is coming up soon. We watched Jupiter Ascending, the Wachowski 2010 or 2015 classic. um So you can watch that along with us in a week or two here on the site. Keep checking back for that one. And yeah, so for Chris, I am Zach, and we will see you next week. For more for everything action,
01:14:51
Speaker
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