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Sin City (2005)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris delve into the seedy underbelly of Sin City to celebrate the movie's 20th anniversary.
Directed by Robert Rodriguez and Frank Miller, Sin City adapts several of Miller's noir comic book stories with an all-star cast, including Bruce Willis, Mickey Rourke, Clive Owen, Rosario Dawson, Elijah Wood, Benicio Del Toro, Jessica Alba, Powers Boothe, Nick Stahl, and Rutger Hauer. Zach and Chris talk about the bizarre structure of the "Recut, Extended and Uncut" version of the movie, how this kicked off a Mickey Rourkeissance, all of the horrible things happening on the Roark family farm, how Kadie's Bar is a slightly grimier Coyote Ugly, and more.
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Introduction and Podcast Date
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the podcast week of March 31st, 2025.
Sin City - 20 Years of Influence
00:00:23
Speaker
I'm your host, Zach. I'm your co-host, Chris. And this week we are delving into the grimy depths of Sin City.
00:00:30
Speaker
and celebrating the movie's 20th anniversary. came out April 1st, 2005. And I think a movie that kind of like revolutionized how comic book movies are made, would you say, Chris?
00:00:43
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Yeah, ah just the... I guess the depth it could bring, and it didn't... ah
00:00:51
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it did It didn't like hold back on being the like Marvel and DC standard.
Adherence to Source Material
00:00:57
Speaker
This was its own thing that... I think, like, it opened up the doors for more independent ideas, like new comic storytelling.
00:01:06
Speaker
And, like, comic movies that were, like, slavishly, like, scenes from the comic book were, like, adapted into, like, a film version. It's, like, it looks like the comic book. Because, like, I think everything before this was kind of... It's based on the comic book, but you're not seeing, like, specific, like, shots, or it doesn't look like the comic book based I mean...
00:01:29
Speaker
but Every movie tried to be like a movie adaptation. This was the opposite. This was a movie that a comic that got adapted like into the movie.
00:01:40
Speaker
And it followed the source material very closely where it feels like a motion comic. Yeah. And obviously, he led into 300, and Watchmen, you know, Zack Snyder, I feel like was probably definitely, don't know inspired by this, but like he definitely like picked up the baton
Frank Miller's Impact
00:02:00
Speaker
from this movie. It was like, I could do that.
00:02:03
Speaker
Yeah, I think, I mean, he just, everyone everyone wanted a piece of Frank Miller right after this again. yeah yeah think It's funny, because like Frank Miller properties have all been like dark horse things so far, and They just sort of forget. like Dark Horse has a lot of amazing stories, but like they just remember like these top ones that... like They made an impact in the comic market, but they the legacy is like kind of hard to follow.
00:02:33
Speaker
Sin City, I think, is hands down the better one. But I think other Frank Miller projects are like weirder and have more controversy, like that Robocop 2.
Hypothetical Adaptations
00:02:46
Speaker
Which I think... You know, like, it kind of, like, showcases Frank Miller's versus versatility, where it's like, okay, hey, he can make original characters, and he can, you know, Frank Miller up a story.
00:02:59
Speaker
ah But I think, like, can you imagine, ah before we get too much into Sensity, though, can you imagine if this followed up, and instead of, like, the standard structure of, like, Wolverine movies, we get the Frank Miller, like, adaptations of, like, that work?
00:03:17
Speaker
And it's like, oh, hey, but like let's not change the Frank Miller formula. Let's just keep his so his vision, but now apply it to a Wolverine comic. A Wolverine movie.
Critique of Miller's Later Work
00:03:27
Speaker
one Or his is this like the Daredevil we got. like like They made a Frank Miller Daredevil.
00:03:33
Speaker
But like a very specific. like A very noir-style story. I like Frank Miller's noir-style storytelling and and visual...
00:03:44
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ah like cues. you know It's a very distinct look. Some of his art style is great, and then sometimes there's a little bit of phone-in work, I do admit.
00:03:56
Speaker
I'm not a big fan of some of his later stuff, where it's just like they all look like dolls. like, there was, like, this Frank Miller Batman that I'm just like, what is this? But,
Technical Achievements in Sin City
00:04:09
Speaker
anyway. um But, yeah, like, it gave me such hope as a comic fan during this time because it's like, wow, this was pretty accurate. And I only read a few Sin City comics at that point, so all this did was draw me into that world and, like, ah get really interested in this, like, very simple storytelling, which is, like, black and white and then just, like, color. Color became a very important thing of, like,
00:04:33
Speaker
You know red, yellow. if You see, like, blue. So this movie was like, oh, I get it now. Like, they someone listened and took a chance on adapting it like this without feeling too cheesy.
00:04:45
Speaker
Because I feel like in the 2000s, this could have been some terrible, like, low-effect camcorder TV show thing. Mm-hmm.
00:04:57
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tv show
00:05:01
Speaker
yeahs definitely It's definitely a technical showcase, for at least for a time, too, because Rugga's... Most of it's green screen. There's shots where like characters who are like in the scene together aren't even in the scene. They were and there when they shot the scene together. like They just like digitally insert people into like the scene and make it look like everyone's in the same shot.
00:05:21
Speaker
Oh my god. This whole thing is just digital composites that... yeah I think nowadays probably speed up some of the process with how they got far with the Mandalorian sets and how they filmed things like that.
00:05:33
Speaker
But yeah, this is just the old school way of just, we'll shoot a whole bunch of sets separately over several months and then in the final we'll like edit it together to make like a coherent scene.
Cast Dynamics and Filming Technique
00:05:45
Speaker
Yeah, I think when the like one of the craziest things about that is like Mickey Rourke and Lyssa Wood like never even met until like the premiere.
00:05:54
Speaker
And they're in, like, it like but like pivotal scenes together. It's crazy because, like, it's a very physical appearance between them.
00:06:06
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And Elijah Wood was just coming off of, like, the second Lord of the Rings movie. Well, I think the trilogy was done. And this was kind of, like, one of those big follow-ups. It was weird, because, it's like, Lajor wouldn't just decided to be, like, ah a weird creep for a while.
00:06:21
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Like, he was in, like, the Maniac reboot, or remake, and then this. That was later. Maniac was later? ah Yeah, Maniac was, like, 2008.
00:06:34
Speaker
looking it up. Oh, 2012, yeah, that was that was a lot later. so but it Still, like, killer creep. still he wanted to be like a like a weird like killer creep
00:06:45
Speaker
He plays it well. ah In the comic, though, the guy that he plays is little older. He's not supposed to be like Elijah Wood-looking. A young boy.
00:06:58
Speaker
and think he's supposed to more of a like recluse, like surprisingly deadly guy.
00:07:07
Speaker
And then when you see this version, he definitely captures the like eerie, silent threat of him, but ah him but i don't know, when you see him, you're like, that's Elijah Wood. It's really hard not to think Elijah Wood.
00:07:20
Speaker
The ring has corrupted him fully.
00:07:26
Speaker
So, before we dive into like all the all the different stories, we should probably mention ah how we watched it, because we both its it's weirdly hard to find the theatrical cut of this movie now.
Theatrical vs. Director's Cut
00:07:39
Speaker
I think it's on like Fandango. I was like i've read it on Amazon, but then it's the recut, extended, uncut version. um And there's no there's no like theatrical version Amazon. I think Fandango might have the original version, but this re it the recut puts all the stories in like sequential order, or like a new order, and it kind of separates them completely into like Yeah.
00:08:06
Speaker
chunks So you get all, it's like all of the big fat kill with a title screen and all that. And then, and then it goes to, you know, the other stories, the of they all have a title, like a title scene. And then you see the whole story in one chunk, which is kind of a jar like kind of destroys kind of the pacing of the theatrical version. Cause it was like very deliberately done to like, kind of like weave everything in and out.
00:08:34
Speaker
Yeah, I like the original theatrical cut because it's the more suspenseful watch. you don't You don't get a... You get like bits and pieces of the story at different times, and it's like it's up to you to sort of... like overall watch it in, like, one sitting.
00:08:56
Speaker
But when it's organized like this, it just becomes, like, a mini TV show. Like, each segment is, like, a half an hour. So there's, like, intermission breaks, I guess.
00:09:07
Speaker
It's like, oh, want to watch this one part. You don't have to watch them in order. That's, like, I guess the only perk is if you want, you can watch them out of order. Technically, you can read Sin City out of order, and it's fine.
00:09:20
Speaker
Yeah. ah but Yeah, just the movie experience wasn't the same when you watch it in this like director's cut. I can't imagine if Robert Rodriguez or Frank Miller were like, let's put it in this weird new weird new order and do it that way.
Character Highlights - Marv and Dwight
00:09:38
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think that was a Frank Miller move. maybe or like It feels like a studio thing. We've got to sell a director's cut. We've got to make it simpler for all those stupid movie you people out there. I mean, it really is for that early generation of people that watch movies while on their phone.
00:09:56
Speaker
This movie would be that, where they only need need to pay attention to certain segments. If they miss it, they missed it. But if you watch the original version, if you just completely missed out and just switch the next story, you're like, what's happening? Who's this? like but but part Where we are now? like
00:10:14
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It's great if you just watch the movie just to purely watch. Mm-hmm.
00:10:21
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And I don't know, um'm I'm like a mixed fan of like ah non-linear storytelling and storytelling. You know, and linear just this, but it can work both ways. But I just prefer the original if I was just dedicate the two hours to sit there and watch it.
00:10:37
Speaker
But as an adult, but like watching segments is fine. So I can like go do other things. Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:46
Speaker
Oh no, what's Marv up to now during this scene? Okay, alright. It'll be okay.
00:10:54
Speaker
I guess, what story do you want to... you want to just break down by story, Chris? Yeah, we'll just break it down by story. In the end, we're summarizing those anyway. Yeah.
00:11:05
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I feel like the most... Because the person that like I think really kind of like like broke out from this movie is Mickey Rourke. like i I feel like this kicked off like a Rourke-a-sance. It did. I think it was his comeback role.
00:11:17
Speaker
Yeah. Because then he was in, like, you know, Iron Man 2, Expendables, and The Wrestler, obviously, was a couple years after this, but he got his Oscar nomination, so... think it was Iron Man 2.
00:11:29
Speaker
No, no. I think it was this, Expendables, Iron Man 2, then The Wrestler? The Wrestler was, like, 2008, so I think that might have been the next thing after this, where people were like, but well, next big thing after this, where people were like, oh, man, Mickey Rourke is back! Yeah.
00:11:46
Speaker
Okay, so I think it was... Yeah, because I think before this, the last thing I saw him in was like... Double Team? Where he fought Van Damme?
00:11:59
Speaker
he was i guess He was in Man of Fire and Domino, apparently. Domino was the same year as this. yeah, I forgot about Domino. came out like, yeah, I think after this. as Before after this?
00:12:10
Speaker
But he was in Once Upon Time in Mexico, which I think is where he and Robert Riggas were like, you know, but and got... It's like, um I'll bring it back for... Yeah. ah What a real weird role to go from a guy holding a chihuahua in Once at a Time in Mexico yeah like, Marv, who is gouthing people's eyes out with his thumbs.
00:12:37
Speaker
Yeah. Which, mean, Marv is, like, supernaturally, like, like indestructible.
00:12:45
Speaker
mean, he's just, he's like, he's he's supposed to be just, like, a huge, like, tough guy, but, like, the stuff that he gets into is just, like, he seems like he has some sort of superpowers or something. Well, he's, like, everyone in this universe is if you're a certain, like... If you're the main character. Yeah. Well, I mean, even, like, uh...
00:13:06
Speaker
Michael Clarke Duncan's character. and it Yeah. And you read his, like, story. You follow it from the prequel story, A Dame to Die For. Dame to Kill For, yeah. Dame to Kill For, it yeah. Like, it's like, he survives fatal blows. It still keeps coming back.
00:13:22
Speaker
And then in this, it's like, know, just big guys. They survive, like, crazy attacks. Okay. be fear I think all the main characters can have, like, a crazy durability.
00:13:34
Speaker
Yeah, everyone all the main characters get severely beaten. I guess guess Dwight in this movie doesn't get too much... Not in this movie. Yeah, he gets fucked up, but... But in this one, he survives a car
Sin City's Unique Style and Settings
00:13:53
Speaker
crash.
00:13:53
Speaker
He survives a grenade. um He doesn't get shot or beat up, but... That's fine. He got a new face from like the story carryover, which is confusing because um it's one those things where you think it's going to be something very like, he's got a haircut or something, but then he goes from ah Josh Brolin to the Clive Owens look.
00:14:21
Speaker
It's crazy. Yeah, because Dating the Kill 4 is a prequel to this, so he he was Josh Brolin, and then turned into Clive Owens. And then the weird, we couldn't get Clive Owens back, so we made Josh Brolin into Clive Owens.
00:14:34
Speaker
Yep. Crazy decision. I wonder if that was Robert Rodriguez's first um taste of... like Oh, we but let's do like a bunch of like face swapping. like you remember in ah Machete Kills, where there was like the chameleon character? and it was like That's where half of like the cast was. which It was the same character. it was like Lady Gaga...
00:14:57
Speaker
I think was it was Goggins, I think it was. Like, Walton Goggins was also. it was like, all these all these characters like were the same character.
00:15:03
Speaker
Yeah. ah That was cool, but it was actually they had the real actors. Here, it's like, at least in the other sequel of City, like, it's just weird. But...
00:15:17
Speaker
Anyway, see, I compare it to adding it for the overall story, because some parts are prequels, some parts are sequels, so if you really wanted to knock out a whole afternoon, watch both c Sin City movies.
00:15:30
Speaker
I don't know if I'd recommend a Dave to Kill for It's got good parts. Especially, you know, certain actresses' parts. That might be the only reason to see it. yeah That might be one reason to see it.
00:15:43
Speaker
i like I actually remember this movie being a lot like like, more gratuitous with the nudity and violence, but it's not so much these days.
00:15:55
Speaker
think it's, like, very, like, tasteful nudity in a grimy way, but it's not a, um like, immediately, like, turn off the TV and everyone walks in the room, where my my caliber for that was, like, Spartacus.
00:16:12
Speaker
Spartacus and then like the first season of... Maybe the first two seasons of Game of Thrones where if no there's no context, someone walks in and looks at your screen and you're like, what do you are you watching? At least in Sin City, it's stylized. There's like a soundtrack. There's a whole tone with it.
00:16:29
Speaker
So you're not just watching smut. Other parts... ah Other kind of things I'm thinking of, it's like way more embarrassing or it's way more difficult it's difficult to like explain.
00:16:41
Speaker
Well, mean, and you have... I mean, you have Jessica Alba as like an exotic dancer, quote unquote, but then she just is just like a more like a burlesque dancer or like a coyote ugly dancer. She's more like coyote ugly. She's not doing anything that's like too bad. In the comics, she's not.
00:16:55
Speaker
In the comics, she's straight up like a sh stripper. Yeah, which she's supposed to be. It seems like in this universe, but then I'm sure Jessica Alba was like, nah, nah, like. Okay, so now this sounds kind of weird, but go follow me on this logic.
00:17:09
Speaker
You have a whole town full of hookers in Old Town, right? Yeah. So if you're competing against Old Town ladies and then like the bar, oh like it it just seems like the best bar in town for Marv was this like PG bar compared to what the bar could be in the Old Town.
00:17:32
Speaker
is Is Katie's not in Old Town? No. Okay. It's like a different territory. That's why cops can go there.
Exploring Marv's Depth
00:17:46
Speaker
is there Is there two different bars? Or is there just one is it just everyone goes to the one bar in this movie? like They all go Katie's. And then they all just go to Katie's, which is not in Town. Because I think Old Town is its own territory. So no one really goes in Old Town unless it's like you're there for like ladies, I guess.
00:18:04
Speaker
and don't know. I'm just trying to figure out. Maybe I remember wrong, but it is like weird that um like Katie's is a strip bar, like a strip club, and then it's like no one trips.
00:18:16
Speaker
yeah
00:18:20
Speaker
I get Brittany Murphy working there because it's actually just like a bar to her because it seems very fine like it seems like okay it seems weird but in the next future in the future i could see a theme restaurant coming up with like Katie's as like a like a place you get like a pizza or something and a beer and there's like a fake cowgirl and it's like oh I could see that being a gimmick Yeah, just it seems it seems like Coyote Ugly. It seems like but like a rougher... like ah like i bike more my like Biker Bar or style, like Coyote Ugly.
00:18:49
Speaker
it's Yeah, the crazy thing is it's a Biker Bar, but no bikers. Yeah. And the theme is cowboy in a city. So, know. And then, ah if you want to go about, like just talk about Basin City, about the geography...
00:19:07
Speaker
It's weird, because I can't point... yeah I mean, it's supposed to be like a very vague, generic city, but there's so much like weird details about the city that it bothers me.
00:19:19
Speaker
Where it's got like a ah highway within the city, like an interstate roadway that's like country that leads to the city between the tap regular town, uptown and downtown.
00:19:31
Speaker
Yep. It's got a luxury area where there's palm trees. And then it has ah snow. It has tar pits.
00:19:42
Speaker
yeah and a tar pits are like mostly in like a southwest territory. So I'm like, what? Is that a man-made tar pit? Is that just like, someone brought tar there? What's going on here?
00:19:55
Speaker
And it has like a harbor, so it's ah is it like on the coast? but then See, it's a coastline. you're like yeah What? Okay. is this like It's trying to be California? But then the city design and the weather doesn't make sense for California.
00:20:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, the tar pit makes it seem like very, like, that's like a very, like, Los Angeles, it's like, this is the library tar pits, but it's Sin City's version. It's a unique structure. I give them, I give the story credit for including that detail where it's like, all right, we'll just dump bodies in the tar pit, the harbor?
00:20:28
Speaker
Or why not just burn the bodies? Or throw it in the sewer something? The sewers seem very connected. They're like huge sewers.
00:20:44
Speaker
But, yeah. We'll go back and talk about the first story.
00:20:51
Speaker
Well, guess technically it's the third in the order, but... Are we still talking about Marv or...
00:20:59
Speaker
The hard goodbye. Okay. Yeah, because I think it's like... Mickey Rook is definitely the person that said that. Marv is probably the most i kind of character from... you say it in all of Sin City?
00:21:10
Speaker
Yeah. He's kind of like the he's guy like the the mascot or like the main... The first thing people think of when they think of Sin City. I think I learned about Marv through an action figure first. i mean Yeah. that I think it was McFarlane, like the Marv in the electric chair.
00:21:25
Speaker
Yep. ah No, no, no. Mine was Marv with, like, a hatchet and then carrying, like, Elijah Wood's character's head.
00:21:36
Speaker
I definitely remember, I remember, like, I think it was in, like, yeah like Toy Fair or, like, one of those magazines where it's just, like, yeah it was, like, McFarlane, like, Marv in the electric chair, like, statue or figure.
00:21:47
Speaker
That was, like, all over the place. I think as at the time, when they were reading it, it was like such a good collection. 2001, think, when they were releasing the comics. ah Maybe even like 1998.
00:22:02
Speaker
When did city Sin City Comic come out or start being released?
00:22:09
Speaker
In the 90s? Whoa. was 1991? Yeah, completely time, but ninety one i completely wrong but Yeah, no, it's definitely, like, it was too, too, like, old. Like, you know, I was too young for this in 1991. I barely was, was still reading Spider-Man.
00:22:28
Speaker
So, by the time they started making the toy, I think when the toy line came out like, 2000. thousand So it was, like, or maybe 98. But, yeah, I definitely remember, like, seeing the toy, just seeing this comic. I'm like, this is not for me yet. Like, I just, it was so much, like, things going on that I just couldn't understand. i was like, alright, like, one day.
00:22:50
Speaker
But yeah, this was was like a lot for a kid to stumble on. And then just comprehending like, oh no, Marv is the good guy. You're like, this is typically a bad guy in any other like series or any other Marvel thing.
00:23:07
Speaker
He's like weirdly maybe like one of the most like ah sympathetic, noble characters in the city. He's got a code. Yeah, he won't hurt women.
00:23:17
Speaker
he He'll like get revenge for them. He won't tolerate like murderers, even though he's a crazy murderer if he doesn't take his medicine. and
00:23:29
Speaker
Also, I'm looking at the comic Marv. He's literally the Hulk.
00:23:36
Speaker
Like, he's so huge and bulky. Or like Frankenstein from like Future Commandos or something. Like like the like that version of Frankenstein.
00:23:49
Speaker
I guess they didn't want to play in his psychosis where he like starts hallucinating things. It's a very like hinted at that he can get off the rails and he he's worried that he might just get used to violence. like He enjoys it when he can like dish it out to the right people who deserve it.
00:24:06
Speaker
I guess he keeps in check that he can accidentally like hurt the innocent. it is It is weird that he's the like he needs to take medicine for like hallucinations but then ah Dwight is the one that's like constantly having hallucinations.
00:24:20
Speaker
there's also so We'll get to the Dwight part, but there's certain line deliveries to Dwight that i was I'm confused about that it still doesn't like come off great. We'll get into that. I like how Marv is complex like that.
00:24:33
Speaker
like There's a huge story with him. There's like innocence. Maybe at one point he had and and then something went wrong and now he's like this. He loves his mom. Also, it shows that basically he's a product of the city.
00:24:48
Speaker
Mm-hmm. you know He's just got shuffled in to how violent and and sort of like chaotic Sin City like you know All he knows is violence, so that's how he'll solve everything.
00:25:03
Speaker
but that But that makes him the perfect Sin City resident. Because he can just like like survive and thrive as like but it's like this like jacked up... He can just take on whoever threatens him.
00:25:22
Speaker
And yeah, we were saying before, he gets so much abuse. He gets hit with a car three times in this in this story, and then like like punched in the face or beaten in the face multiple times, shot I don't know how many times, and survives all of it.
00:25:41
Speaker
Like, shrugs it off. He shrugs off the car. Like, he gets, like, um... It was like... know that Brad Pitt movie, Meet Joe Black? That famous, like, where he gets hit by the car and it's, like, bouncing between cars? That's what I said to the Marv in this movie. He just, like, shrugs it off. Just like, damn, I should've watching. should've been watching where I going.
00:25:59
Speaker
got confused.
00:26:06
Speaker
And yeah, he's at he's on revenge for, um...
Plot Analysis and Continuity Issues
00:26:11
Speaker
there's he was He slept with a woman named Goldie, and then she gets murdered next to him in bed, and then he's trying to find out who killed her. It's a it's a clever detective story for his arc, if you're just getting used to his character, because he has a wild knight,
00:26:31
Speaker
And then he gets blamed for a murder. And it's not like he wakes up, there's a pool of blood, and there's just like you know all this evidence. It's just she's dead, and he knows something's not right.
00:26:43
Speaker
like He knows it's a setup. you know Because the cops are like immediately there. The cops would never be there normally if this happened. So, I mean, in Sin City, people are you just like, tragic things happen all the time. But for some reason, like it's just pointed at him.
00:27:05
Speaker
So, okay. I guess we're going to the spoiler part, but see, Goldie discovered about the, like... Was Goldie, like, works, like, Bishop Works, like, lady? Yeah, that's... that's um I'm not... Still not clear about, like, what Goldie actually... She found out about the...
00:27:30
Speaker
like Kevin that was but like murdering... like That Rucker, Hauer, and Elijah Wood were like eating prostitutes.
00:27:43
Speaker
And then she was going to blow the... Was she going to blow the whistle on them? She had evidence. kind of was like, you know but do the she had evidence it just like kind of was like oh no, I found out about this. I need someone to like protect me from these lunatics.
00:28:00
Speaker
I'll sleep with Marv and he'll protect me maybe.
00:28:05
Speaker
was a crazy play. she She didn't have like evidence for them to burn or photos. I think she maybe but said, like oh, there's this crazy cannibal group.
00:28:18
Speaker
Someone do something. Yeah, and or or she didn't get attacked by them and escaped and be like, oh no, these guys are after me. Yeah, a little more context would be good. Maybe it's fleshed out in the comic, but it's been so long since I've read it.
00:28:33
Speaker
ah but Yeah, her plan isn't the best, but it seems very cinematic and cool when you watch it. It's just when you start thinking about it, it falls apart. I feel like she should have told her sister.
00:28:47
Speaker
Probably, yeah. Maybe that would bring her in danger.
00:28:52
Speaker
like Like, if I end up dead, it was ah Father Rourke this weird, creepy who lives on a farm.
00:29:03
Speaker
and if I'm dead and there's no evidence, most likely Kevin.
00:29:08
Speaker
and how How weird is it, too, that Kevin and the yellow bastard are both just hanging out that farm and separately just murder people? Yeah. It's like the Rourke family farm, so it's just what you do there.
00:29:21
Speaker
Like, Kevin's in the basement eating people, Yellow Bastard's upstairs, like, beating people and, like, doing weird SNM stuff. i'm good So, the... Okay, so, based on the order, Yellow Bastard happens before the Hard Goodbye,
00:29:38
Speaker
At one point, though, like ah when the yellow bastard gets killed in the barn, like Kevin probably hears it and is like, whatever. like i'm i'm not I don't want any a part of this
00:29:52
Speaker
this. You see you see like Kevin just hang out on the porch in like the the Hard to Get story when like he's sneaking into the farm. Yeah, and Kevin does nothing. He's a terrible security person.
00:30:05
Speaker
but It's also weird. The two stories have like almost identical scenes of like it's like Marv sneaking into the farm and then Hardigan sneaking out of the farm. And you figure once Harrigan does it, they should up the security.
00:30:18
Speaker
i mean, they can kind of do when Marv shows up, but not well. um who's going to stop Marv? True.
00:30:30
Speaker
like he' He's just like he's like killing people with his bare hands.
00:30:41
Speaker
yeah and i do I do love Rutger Hauer. Rutger Hauer seems like he's like channeling Marlon Brando. He's got the bald head. It's like Paco's now Brando or something about Rutger Hauer.
00:30:55
Speaker
It's like, I hate the people. hate them with him. I hate their souls. hate their souls. Yeah, it's great delivery. Rucker Howard is still such an amazing actor that playing a sinister like religious person is just like extra creepy.
00:31:14
Speaker
i do I do wish she'd gotten a scene of the brothers, like Powers Booth and Rucker Howard together as the evil brothers.
00:31:22
Speaker
Yeah, that have been nice.
00:31:27
Speaker
But that that is that is a great evil duo to be like running this like k corrupt city powers with Wrecker Hour.
00:31:37
Speaker
Did you also notice that ah like in this family about legacies, like did it seem like the ah future of where it goes later is sort of like super tagged in?
00:31:53
Speaker
When like the like secret sun shows up?
00:32:02
Speaker
It has nothing to do with, like, Marv yet, but, you know, just like the... later on in the sequel, where it's like, oh, the sun, you know, all this, and then it's just like, oh. oh oh yeah, and they had to kill for
00:32:16
Speaker
I think it's like Lucky Something. but like Like, Jessica Gordon-Levitt, I think, right? Yeah. yeah See, like, when you start remembering the sequel and then how it adds up to everything, it's just... You're like, ah.
00:32:30
Speaker
That's definitely, like, a tacked-down story. But, I mean, again, I'm judging it based on the overall Sin City presentation. When you start looking about that family and how corrupt and, and like, infected they are in the organizations of things, it's crazy. it's It's very noir-like.
00:32:51
Speaker
It's got a great sense of, like, dread where, like, you have to do these things in order to get justice or some form of it. Because they owe yeah they own the cops, they own the, like, Powers Booth is a senator, he controls like everything controls government, controls everything. so You gotta just rely on yourself and do what you think is justice.
00:33:15
Speaker
But I like that Marv doesn't really meet Powers Booth. No. This is a pure, like, okay, let the system handle it, and you know Powers Booth is like manipulating things, but there's no direct, ah I guess, effect.
00:33:34
Speaker
However, this whole story later on kind of contradicts the sequel with Jessica Alba, where he him and Nancy, like Marvin and Nancy team up to take down Powers Booth.
00:33:49
Speaker
Which I still don't know how this fits into the timeline. And there's a and like ghost Hardigan spoiler. Powerspeak sees the ghost of Hardigan. That's what surprises him. that Nancy is able to kill him.
00:34:06
Speaker
Yeah, but it's a multi-universe hard again. I don't understand what's going on. It's a Sixth Sense crossover. Like, Powers Booth is like, oh shit, it's the ghost Bruce Willis. Well, I mean, because it seems like this is... so ah This story seems like it's Marv's last adventure.
00:34:25
Speaker
Because it is. Yeah, it is. yeah One crazy night. But then, and the sequel, by then, Powers Booth is dead? like, in his story now, but it seems like he's not?
00:34:40
Speaker
Maybe that's what it is. Like, he's not dead. This is sort of, like, a twist. Like, this is a sequel to the sequel.
00:34:49
Speaker
trying to remember. I feel like... I mean, I read, like, was it Nancy's Last Dance? Is, like, the... that story? Yep. I feel it i i like I read something or when when that movie came out of, like,
00:35:02
Speaker
Marv was actually in that story. They just added him in because needed Ricky Vioric back. Because he was like the standout of the first movie. Okay, because it still doesn't make sense for Marv to be in that story.
00:35:13
Speaker
Yeah. It just ruins this movie, or it ruins that story. Because I'm like, I still remember coherently, I'm like, wait a minute, this timeline doesn't sync up.
00:35:23
Speaker
But. I don't know. I'm harping more about Dame to Kill For because I just saw that more recently. And then when I go back here and rewatch this, and I'm like, oh yeah, this kind of like Dame to Kill For like ruins.
00:35:39
Speaker
Just doesn't follow up with this. But we'll talk about that in like eight more years when it's the anniversary of that. Oh, jeez. Uh... But yeah, the Marv story is pretty much your bare bones, like best of Sin City.
00:35:54
Speaker
You don't need complexity. There's no like you don't need to know the gangs. You don't need to know the work, like completely know the corruption. You don't need to know like the other like mobsters. It's very like one man encountering all these people that want I'm dead or are like just inhabitants of this corrupt town.
00:36:16
Speaker
Just kill his weight killers way to the truth. And it's great. It's just like, give me more. There there are a few more Marv stories, but like if they ever do a Sin City show, do more Marv episodes.
00:36:34
Speaker
It sucks because I think Mickey Rourke is kind of done with Marv, but don't know. kind of want to see some other interpretation of Marv. Just keep the basics.
00:36:46
Speaker
I you could probably get, like, a... I don't know. trying to think, like, who's, like, a big guy that you could, like... Just a wrestler, like... Yeah, either a wrestler, or whatever the guy... Alon Richson. don't know if he'd be a good Marv, but... He'd be a good Marv. Just slap on that nose.
00:37:09
Speaker
I don't could grisly voice. and don't know. Ricky Mark was a pretty good package because he had the voice, the accent, and then the build. Yep. The bulky build.
00:37:21
Speaker
I mean, granted, he didn't look like the Hulk, but it's it's like a good interpretation of like what a big guy that isn't just like a kingpin looking muscle dude.
00:37:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. yeah You can believe he would like be able to like like you know kill people with his bare hands.
00:37:42
Speaker
But yeah, ah I think by the time the movie came out, I knew how the story ends, so it wasn't so much a surprise for me.
00:37:54
Speaker
I do like that he's in the left chair and he like they zap him the first time and he's like, doesn it doesn't kill him. He's just like, is that all you got? And then they do the final one. Just like that last bit of like, God, Marvis is like almost unkillable.
00:38:06
Speaker
I'm pretty sure like, they have to keep zapping you. I don't think they can just be like, oh, he survived this? Cool, you're free. Yeah.
00:38:19
Speaker
they well they could They could do like a firing squad because he survived like 50 bullets, 30 bullets. like like Like, five cops coming with machine guns, like, gunning him down.
00:38:32
Speaker
Yeah, bullets don't kill, like, all the time in this series. Everyone's getting shot in the shoulder or the, the like, the leg. Yep. behind But unless they're shot in the head or or machine gun, on someone who close range machine guns you, then you're dead.
00:38:50
Speaker
Even some people who get like seemingly fatal wounds are still like kind of wandering around and like making jokes and stuff.
00:38:59
Speaker
I'm thinking Is it Stuka? The arrow guy? The arrow guy! He's just like, what the hell? got an arrow in my head. I like that. His character was the nice, refreshing part, just because it's just like more comedic.
00:39:11
Speaker
The actor plays it really like... Just gets enjoy being that and just, whoa, hey, hey. I think I would be that kind of guy if I was in an evil gang and I'm just like having fun with it. and I'm just like, whoa, okay.
00:39:24
Speaker
Yeah, there's a ton wacky side characters outside the main cast. like made casts there like i was There's a lot of great... like i said that I agree, because there are characters that look like they're not just generic background guys, but in this movie, they treat them like generic background guys. yeah i was I was shook to my core seeing like Nick Offerman...
00:39:47
Speaker
Everyone does. He's super unrecognizable. He's like, I don't know, like, yeah, like, well like blonde, blonde hair, like, short blonde hair, like like a bucar buzz cut, and like a spike spike collar, and it's like, Nick Offer, and a sex worker.
00:40:04
Speaker
but yeah i also think they digitize his voice, because it's not what do you think. It's not like a you don't hear him well. Yeah. I mean, I think it only has, like, one line or two two lines, maybe, in this movie, but... Two lines in the this version.
00:40:21
Speaker
I think in the original, probably no lines.
00:40:27
Speaker
Because it's like, his partner's the one who does a lot of talking. Mm-hmm. yeah want He wants to use, like, fancy vocabulary words, and then, you know, they're just full of shit. And then when...
00:40:40
Speaker
You hear Nick Offerman, he does the same thing. So that was new in this Director's Cut edition I saw. Mine it is my first time watching this Director's Cut edition because it's the only one available.
00:40:53
Speaker
Very confusing. Because, you know, some points are like, oh, okay, like, I'm used to this. And it's just wait, Nick Offerman's talking. What?
00:41:07
Speaker
So, um...
Narrative Style and Character Critique
00:41:10
Speaker
Do you want to talk about the like the the first story in like the the version we watched, Chris? Which is ah the big fat kill. ah Yeah.
00:41:20
Speaker
So this is the Dwight story. This is k ah Clive Owen.
00:41:27
Speaker
And it so and he, so Dwight is, mean, what is, is he just like, he's like a murderer or like, what is this? Like he's sort of like a private eye, i guess. and Like the the didn the original one, he's like a private eye and his original like character that wasn't Dwight.
00:41:48
Speaker
I think his real name was before Dwight. Or has it always been Dwight where got like a makeover?
00:41:56
Speaker
I think he's always been Dwight.
00:42:00
Speaker
Well, I think Dwight was a private investigator. And then between his stories, he became more of a protector of the, like, city.
00:42:11
Speaker
Like a weird, like, vigilante.
00:42:17
Speaker
Because he's more like a protector of Old Town than he is with, uh, anything anywhere else. He hangs out at the bar and then he just goes to Old Town.
00:42:30
Speaker
But Clive Owen's performance is great in this. There's a certain like line delivery that he he does where it's like it's almost like he he's dictating a like British spy novel.
00:42:50
Speaker
But it's not. It's just describing just like messing with the Genes of Del Toro.
00:43:01
Speaker
he might He might feel the most noir-ish. His like voiceover stuff is like the most noir-ish. Yeah. that That's I think a better tone. I think because like Marv's thoughts are just confused and rambling.
00:43:16
Speaker
He's just like trying to understand what's going on while he's on meds. But Dwight's story is more, I guess, dramatic because of the way he's using words about like he finds the atom bomb, like finding the badge, his like relationship other people.
00:43:38
Speaker
He's more calm about his approach than he would if Marv was in it. Yeah. he He sounds the most like Max Payne. Yes. Yes. which I think was like came out like a little bit before this.
00:43:51
Speaker
but That was probably the biggest noir thing before this.
00:43:59
Speaker
But there are certain parts that are just bizarre um about his line delivery. We mentioned this earlier. He sometimes hallucinates because of stress.
00:44:10
Speaker
Okay, we guess. least in one scene, it's more of hallucination. But the way he talks to Jackie, where he's like, hey, like, don't fire the bullet, your your gun is jammed. Like, it's delivered very weird.
00:44:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, why... You want to you want this guy dead, Well, he doesn't. He just wants to stop the dude. But the way he says it it's very, like, high school play delivery.
00:44:38
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I don't know. It's just the way he speaks to him. You think that was one the scenes where, like, Toro wasn't even there? He was just talking to dead air. i think it's like he didn't have, like, a scene partner. Because it's just, like, he just sounds like he doesn't understand the emotion, doesn't understand, the pacing to say, hey, man, like, don't pull the trigger.
00:44:58
Speaker
Your barrel's jammed. Like, it'll backfire. He says it just so quick of, like, hey, your gun's jammed. Your gun's gonna backfire into you. Like, it... I don't know. it just It's so dead-eyed delivered.
00:45:09
Speaker
And it stood out for me all the time I've seen it. i thought maybe gets better in this director's cut edition. It doesn't. It's the same delivery. Yeah.
00:45:19
Speaker
don't know. I prefer an urgent dramatic scene. Just his delivery just comes flat. it's It's super um like disjointing from everything else that's going on from this like murder massacre scene.
00:45:32
Speaker
And then you get to like a comedy because Biasa del Toro is... you know, his hand gets cut off, his barrel gets clogged, he slips on a throwing star on his butt.
00:45:47
Speaker
He gets, like, the barrel of his gun, or, like, the but like where top of the gun, like, it beds itself in his forehead, because it blows up. I guess it's, like, the slide.
00:45:58
Speaker
The slide, yeah
00:46:02
Speaker
So, yeah, a lot of bad things happen to Jackie, which, um, Yeah, I mean, Jackie's like scumbag. He got what he deserved to some degree.
00:46:15
Speaker
i also think maybe ah for like a hero cop that's famous, no one recognized him. That is weird. Like, he's supposed to be like, yeah, that's like, as soon as they see the badge, they're like, shit, it's like Iron Jack Jack Rafferty.
00:46:30
Speaker
Did they not take a photo of him? we no No one's ever seen him, but that's now I know I see his name and now I know it's him.
00:46:38
Speaker
I get it. In this world, the internet doesn't exist. So, one's exactly Googling it, but I feel like everyone's reading the paper or hearing the news. I feel like ever everyone Old Town is probably interacting with him if he's like this like massive cop.
00:46:53
Speaker
huh
00:46:56
Speaker
So, that's the part. I'm like, alright, I get it. a If he were an outer town cop that came in to have a good time in Sin City, if he were...
00:47:08
Speaker
like undercover or sort of like hid his features so you didn't know who he was. If he did the Marvel thing where he wore a baseball cap and sunglasses,
00:47:24
Speaker
so I also noticed like his crew is so weird. this is like a ninety s crew like i yeah It's like He's got he's like um like a gym guy. He's got ah guy who looks like he's cosplaying as Tom Cruise from Collateral.
00:47:38
Speaker
He's got like a fat guy. didn't know i knowed that until this watch. I really i was like, whoa. and think Collateral came out like the year prior. Probably.
00:47:51
Speaker
It's like, is that guy... it's like Yeah, it was the year was year here before. it's like, yeah, get a guy who looks like collateral in there. collateral guy.
00:48:03
Speaker
Yeah, and then, like, the big guy, and then... Is the third guy just like a... Like a gangster? Like an Italian gangster guy? Well, he's like a gangster on a corner street guy. Just...
00:48:19
Speaker
You kind of want to call Pauly. But yeah, such such a it's a weird crew. It's like, but boy it's me and my boys rolling.
00:48:32
Speaker
And yeah, they all get brutally killed by Devon Aoki. and probably Probably her best role, because she doesn't have any dialogue. She's doing us to do like action stuff. And like that brief was like three years where people were like, oh yeah, she's going to be huge. different And then she just sort of stopped. I think she wanted a family and then she just left.
00:48:53
Speaker
I think maybe also like Dead or Alive just like destroyed her everyone's almost everyone's career and that movie. Yeah, that movie took down a lot of people.
00:49:05
Speaker
But... i mean, she was like a breakout bit actor in ah Too Fast, Too Furious. I thought she was like a really big part of that movie. She's not.
00:49:17
Speaker
like She has like two scenes. it's it's yeah it's like It's like mostly in the beginning and then like at the end again. and
00:49:24
Speaker
And then, yeah, she shows up in this, does a few sword dances, and then just gracefully leaves. um That's fine. Miho's character is not supposed to be very...
00:49:37
Speaker
in-depth in this. and think at this point, it's not her introduction character story. If you've been reading the Sin City stories, it's like her second or third.
00:49:48
Speaker
And I think in the original one, she had roller skates. Dead or Alive
00:49:56
Speaker
because dead life came the year after this movie.
00:50:01
Speaker
I feel i think she' like she just walked off the set and just like walked it over to that set. She's basically just the same costume and same props. And then she did a bunch of kicks so then got a paycheck and left.
00:50:14
Speaker
Dead or Alive movie is still bad. It's really hard to like recommend. Yeah. even Even on like a bad ah bad like a so bad it's a good level.
00:50:25
Speaker
Because there's there there's a lot a lot of and Okay, I know another tangent, but like Dead or Alive's story is like convoluted and just sort of like silly. And then they just did not do any... They did like a worse version of that.
00:50:41
Speaker
And it's like... You want to focus in on like certain core characters to kind of get you into that universe. But then they did like just the women, but then two of the women look alike.
00:50:52
Speaker
And then... um like i I still don't know what like Eric Roberts wanted to do besides create the perfect weapon by challenging everyone. so that He wasn't the perfect weapon. like yeah He was trying to analyze everyone's fighting style. to figure out yeah he download He downloaded the the martial arts into sunglasses. i mean when When you went to sunglasses, it lets you... like ah Somehow makes you be able to like move your body in a way to... to like block fighting styles and like be able to go be a martial artist.
00:51:25
Speaker
But they're just sunglasses. It's not like you're taking like a it's like a a cyber or something. It's not an implant where it's just part of your core memory. It's just like when you wear it, it can auto like tell you how to fight better.
00:51:41
Speaker
But only when it comes to like martial arts fighting. If someone comes out with a weapon or a gun, you're just out of luck. where they just snap sunglasses in half.
00:51:53
Speaker
Oh my god. That happened in that movie. So, yeah, no. ah It's a totally different feel of what you want out of certain actors. um At least in this, she's good.
00:52:04
Speaker
Just, this is like a good role for the range, you know? Because I'm not saying I could do any better, but ah there's there's this like, I don't know, interchangeable, like Asian assassin lady that, like, happens between, like, even in the sequel movie. Like, they just, oh, they switched out. Did it make a difference?
00:52:27
Speaker
Not really. Not like Miho delivers some impassionate speech and then it's just like, wow, we can't unsee the character from their performance. But, I mean, it's fine. adds a little different flair.
00:52:40
Speaker
It's fun that, like, I think she's the only one who uses, like, a sword in the whole movie. Yeah, there's some fun, like, goopy... kills where people cuts off the top of their heads or cuts them in half. or yeah i remember that was a big selling point of violence, was watch out like this person cutting the limbs and then the blood effect is white.
00:53:00
Speaker
But then at certain points, to show the drama, they threw blood like red on Yeah. yeah where everybody's off screen with a bucket, just like... Yeah.
00:53:12
Speaker
Super not necessary. It's not like that was super needed for the story, but it's more for effects. um And plus, maybe like, what, ten minutes earlier, we watched a tutorial, drink pee.
00:53:26
Speaker
So there's a lot of gross things happening in this one story.
00:53:32
Speaker
And in in this skin the cut we watched, this is the first thing you see.
00:53:39
Speaker
you see like see You see this in its entirety before anything else.
00:53:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's ah this one, it's pretty fun. um ends with a huge shootout with all the prostitutes on top of the buildings blasting away from machine guns.
00:54:03
Speaker
Michael Hercadone gets caught in half. In this version he does. I think in the original one you don't know what happens to him exactly.
00:54:15
Speaker
It's assumed that he gets shot and dies from the alley, but like... In this universe, being shot doesn't mean you die. but Yeah. it's um it's ah it's It's like a minor inconvenience at most, probably, for most people.
00:54:34
Speaker
So, the third the third main story is the Yellow Bastard, which has... Or that Yellow Bastard, which is the Bruce Willis story, which I think was probably a big deal at the time, but too. was like, Bruce Willis is in this?
00:54:46
Speaker
He's in this weird comic book movie?
Complex Relationships - Hardigan and Nancy
00:54:49
Speaker
Yeah, I think he was, like, one of the major headliners in it. It's like, a lot lot of older people saw this because Bruce Willis was in it. And I think they do him adjust this. This is, like, a really good role. Yeah, what was he up to...
00:55:03
Speaker
ah guess Tears of the Sun was the movie he was in before this.
00:55:08
Speaker
Which was fine. and haven't seen that movie in a long time. I haven't either, no. i I never heard that it was like a super action pack. i think it was just like an action thriller.
00:55:22
Speaker
I think they were selling it as like a not Black Hawk Down, but like, you know, that kind of like war movie kind of thing. Yeah, just generic war movie, but it's like a squad of people.
00:55:42
Speaker
Yeah, i don't and I don't know i don't if this was like a... the it was like Resurgence like... For... Because he was he was just kind of like... did like You know, trucking along.
00:55:55
Speaker
as on the side but was like It was like a Mickey Rourke level love of life resurgence for Bruce Willis. It was kind of just like, oh, this is interesting. Bruce Willis is in this.
00:56:05
Speaker
And then obviously he was in the Stick Around Rubber Ruggins for Planet Terror.
00:56:11
Speaker
It's like the evil colonel whatever he was in that movie. He's the classic like you know hard-boiled detective like actual like actual police detective who is a hunting down a kidnapped girl.
00:56:30
Speaker
And it's Rorick Jr. who's like the the son of Powers Booth, who basically thinks he do whatever he wants because he's he's the senator's son.
00:56:43
Speaker
Played by Nick Stahl, who I think was... was a like Rise of the Machines was right before this. I think like a couple years before this. was He was John Connor.
00:56:55
Speaker
Wow. I thought Rise Machine was like... Was that 2003? I think it was 2003, yeah.
00:57:10
Speaker
So yeah, this is definitely, this is like the next big thing he was in after that.
00:57:21
Speaker
um And then, I don't know, we also get ah Michael Madsen is Bruce Willis' partner who, that's a red flag right away. If if Michael Madsen is like your police partner, you should be probably on guard that he's up a corrupt cop.
00:57:42
Speaker
ah But yeah, so Nick Stahls has been, like, he's like, yeah, like like, he's like a serial child killer. just Both the Rorick, guess Kevin's not like Rorick kid, but he's like an adopted kid, kind of.
00:57:57
Speaker
But like, both the Rorick kids are just super fucked up.
00:58:03
Speaker
Yeah, that family is. They're just out of control, corrupt people. um But do you think the family knows that like some of them are cannibals and some of them aren't?
00:58:17
Speaker
i mean Do you think Powers Booth knows that his brother and like his brother is basically adopted son or ED people? Maybe, because you can't just like invite all those like ladies and then like you know they're just dumping them and then there's like a special butcher room in the basement, I feel like.
00:58:35
Speaker
Mounted heads. You can't just like hide that. You can go downstairs and be like, whoa, what's up with that?
00:58:43
Speaker
Parrish Pooch probably never goes goes to back to the the farm. He's like, I don't care what goes on out there. I've stayed in the city.
00:58:58
Speaker
But yeah, but yeah, but but Hartigan, hargan hes he saves Nancy Callahan, who's the latest victim. um But then, and then he, like, really fucks up Nick Stahl, shoots him in the jug, shoots his arm off, shoots his ear off.
00:59:15
Speaker
And, but then he gets, ah charge mean basically gets charged to murder, or like, ah or like they they basically make it look seem like he's the serial child killer, because...
00:59:27
Speaker
Rourke frames him and puts him away.
00:59:33
Speaker
Which, Hardigan, it's fair because i like Nancy's safe, so i don't care what happens to me. And plus, I think it's implied that Harrigan is dying, so... He's got a bad heart, yeah. yeah so It's not like... a well He had a good outlook.
00:59:49
Speaker
Yeah, he thinks he's going to die because Michael Madsen shoots him. And he's so he's like, his heart's going on him. He's shot a bunch times, so he's like, well, I'm gonna die anyway, so i don't really care. I don't care what happens to me.
01:00:02
Speaker
But he makes it, and then he's like thrown it into like prison.
01:00:06
Speaker
Which I really... His he's like prison cell like one is like one of the coolest... like that That was like one of the few like physical actual like sets. But how vertical is is iss really cool. It really looks like a comic book scene.
01:00:20
Speaker
Yeah, the perspective of it. Yeah. Very, like... depressing looking angles and just sort of the isolation feel. Amazing visuals.
01:00:31
Speaker
I'm never going to not say that the Sin City movies don't do that well. Except for maybe Drash Bolin and Clive Owen face. and Otherwise, it's still like a visual overload.
01:00:42
Speaker
and some a lot of the car stuff stood out to me this time of like, wow, these these cars are like pinballs. These cars do not feel physical at all. Yeah, it's it's weird because it feels like a Dick Tracy kind of, like, look. Can you imagine they remade Dick Tracy and just, like, with the Sincity look and tone?
01:01:03
Speaker
I'd read that. I feel like, when when did the Speed Racer movie come out, too? I feel like it it's, like, that level of, like... 2007? Yeah, it's, like, that level of, like, crazy, cartoon physics these cars that don't feel real.
01:01:18
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cartooned physics of these cars that don't feel real
01:01:26
Speaker
But ah yeah, when Hardigan's fine, he's out of jail, and then he's but then Nancy's trouble, and then he like we get the ah really odd relationship between Bruce Willis and Jessica Alba.
Rourke Family's Influence
01:01:42
Speaker
Where Hardigan's like, i think is like, acting like, or like feels like ah she's like his daughter, basically, but then Nancy's like, oh, I love you. It does come out a little weird. You're the only man love.
01:01:57
Speaker
i mean, it's nice, but it does come off a little creepy in the age difference. And then, you know, it's like she's supposed to be like 20, 19. 19, yeah. And then Harrigan is 65. Yeah.
01:02:13
Speaker
doesn't stop a lot of regular... rich people here in the US, but... Well, there's that scene where I think they're in, like, the hotel, and then, like, Nancy starts kissing him, and then he's just like, no, we can't do this, but he's just like, well, it is
01:02:34
Speaker
Um... So, that yeah, that that whole that their whole relationship is is' kind of weird. It's like... In the spam of things, this is just... Two days? Yeah, like, a couple days since he got out of jail.
01:02:48
Speaker
i mean, they've been... he's She's been, like, writing him letters for, like, 18... Like, night and eight years whatever it was. thought it was longer. Eight years. it's still pretty long, but... Yeah, I thought it was something longer time, but eight years, and it's just like, whoa.
01:03:06
Speaker
And then Jessica Alba dancing that rodeo outfit, which... Again, in the comic, way more adultish, way more like, okay, woo, okay, this innocent young Nancy.
01:03:17
Speaker
But in this, you're like, eh, it's a go-go bar. but It's probably the dirtiest, roughest go-go bar, but... Yeah, it's like, ah can't fight the moonlight she'll be playing.
01:03:34
Speaker
And then you also you also find out that Nick Stahl has transformed into the yellow bath that the Yellow Bastard because he got some sort of... like The most fantastic part about the whole movie, probably, is like whatever this like treatment was that ah he got to regrow his arms and his dick. But it also turned to be yellow. Whatever super science went wrong here.
01:03:58
Speaker
Yeah, the but yeah awful version of like the super soldier serum.
01:04:05
Speaker
It is pretty funny that in order to do this, they just said, like, we'll just be, this is the side effects for a hand and a crotch. And was he, like, the first test subject? Like, was it all super experimental? Then after that, they learned, okay, let's not do that. Like, so certain chemicals or whatever, because he smells.
01:04:28
Speaker
He's, yeah like, proportionally weird. he He's got, like, um Yellow Blood now. it seemed that do you think It seems like he kind of maybe gets like super strength or enhanced strength maybe from it.
01:04:43
Speaker
like He seems like stronger than he was before. know he's stronger than before, but... I mean, he's able to be like ripped apart.
01:04:56
Speaker
Yeah, he's pretty vulnerable to punches in the face or you know yeah ripping your dick off.
01:05:05
Speaker
But yeah, but yeah they everything everything ends up back at the farm, the Rourke Farm, where yeah we we said like Kevin's just hanging out there while this is happening. He's his murder basement, then the Yellow Bastard's up in the murder attic.
01:05:25
Speaker
so
01:05:28
Speaker
ah yeah I don't know if this is expanding the comic, but, I mean, there's gotta to be a whole, like, hey, what's going on in this, like, work farm that, like, I guess they're covering up all the time? Mm-hmm. Because it seems like they're coming out to that farm every few months for, like, some crazy thing.
01:05:46
Speaker
I wouldn't be surprised if like, a third work sibling and just, like, out there, like...
01:05:51
Speaker
Maybe Pirate of the Sith does go out there and is like hunting humans or something. See, I'm not surprised if that happens. Instead of fox hunting, I get homeless people from Sin City and I hunt them down.
01:06:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's the kind of crazy rich thing i expect happens there.
01:06:13
Speaker
I'll probably do a reread of the Sin City comics to see like how well the story ah story like is told and maybe more details.
01:06:25
Speaker
ah I just feel like there's a lot gaps in how we're kind of figuring out the world because it's like, you're supposed to show us this gritty, grim world, but a lot of it's falling apart once we go like, hey...
01:06:42
Speaker
um What's up with the wise one police guy able to have like a tattoo-like face at work? There's that guy with wrestler make makeup. yep um And then like not every cop is corrupt, but I guess like only the corrupt people protect the farm?
01:07:02
Speaker
Yeah, because the the guards on the farm are like straight up just like like so like riot cops. And also, like i think what like the the guard there's like guards at the church, too. They're also riot cops.
01:07:14
Speaker
so Is that just the standard cop look? It's in city, baby, yeah, because it's so rough. Your normal uniform is like riot gear.
01:07:24
Speaker
But you also have machine guns as your main weapon and not pistols.
01:07:35
Speaker
Yeah, it kind of feels like Hardigan is the only like noble cop in the entire city. Like, everyone else is corrupt.
01:07:47
Speaker
Although, i feel like Dwight says, like, maybe it's, like, one of the... Like, there are a few honest cops, but, like, most of them, like, will take bribes, or of them are, like, totally, like, evil and on Rourke's payroll.
01:08:01
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I guess there's, like, money coming in through a whole bunch of means, so they're able to fund this operation. And I guess the church is part on the payroll, so that helps.
01:08:14
Speaker
ah I also believe that, like, like, Rourke also has, like, like, you know Powers Booth Rourke is, ah like, funneling money through, like, a business.
01:08:26
Speaker
Probably. I think that's like another thing. because ah In the comic, I did read that there is like another like mobster that is sort of doing business with these people. so there's It's not just the Rourke family. It's like Gotham, where there's all these people that want to set up shop there.
01:08:44
Speaker
I'm sure Rourke has some sort of like construction business or something that never builds anything, just makes money. Yeah, that's the classic. Just real estate holding. and just like Yeah, real estate construction. And union busting.
01:08:56
Speaker
be funny if in another version of Sin City, not saying that it has to be like in the Sin City universe, because a lot of corrupt businesses, like if you had to do classic you know money laundering, corrupt things, um you know it's like a fast food place, a laundromat, those kind of fronts, one of them is going to be a coffee shop or something.
01:09:19
Speaker
Where like, okay, what's another innocent front that no one overlooks? Like coffee shops, coffee shop front. Not just like they their secret revenue.
01:09:30
Speaker
I'm just waiting for a movie or something to have that as a corrupt business front. But construction's like the classic. I think that's been... Like, okay.
01:09:42
Speaker
I'm thinking like from the 60s onward to like now, construction sites, almost all the time is the culprit in a a scam or something.
01:09:55
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
01:09:59
Speaker
because you can You can do all you can know all the classic. you know can charge for more expensive supplies but then buy cheap stuff. and Then you can like just like keep delaying the building and say like you need more money to build it. and You can just hoard the land rights.
01:10:14
Speaker
You can um like put like terrible things in your buildings for other evil people. You can throw bodies in wet cement and seal them up.
01:10:26
Speaker
Uh... you can do like ah what What did the bad guy do in Darkman? He just wanted to build townhouses? He's got he was ice scrapers in like the downtown area? I feel like he he wanted to do the same plan that like ah like OCP wanted to do in Robocop. Build this like brand new city and then like ah charge people to live there. and like Demolish they're like demolished like the old city.
01:10:51
Speaker
yeah I think that was it. it was literally just like I want to replace the downtown with like better buildings. And like, yeah, and displace all the poor people that live there.
01:11:05
Speaker
But I feel like Sin City is very divided between like the old town area and then the other area, like the normal neighborhood and then the rich area. you never see any normal people.
01:11:17
Speaker
It's like, there's no, like, you don't see any, like, there's not like any, like, families or any, like, you don't see, like, the regular people of Sin City. It's just like all, everyone in Sin City cityity is like a criminal or ah vigilante or like, corrupt, corrupts.
01:11:32
Speaker
like this Yeah. Well, I mean, another thing is because it's like visually stunning like this. um I think in the comic, nothing happens during the daytime. Everything's at night. Yeah.
01:11:43
Speaker
Or in the rain, that's sort of day-ish.
01:11:50
Speaker
But yeah, now i kind of want ah in a weird spin-off, I wouldn't mind to say what happens Sin City through a person who has nothing to do with any of this. Just sort of like... Just have to do groceries. like a normal Yeah, a normal like like like ah a accountant or something. Or like i' just a random normal dude.
01:12:08
Speaker
And there's all this like crazy stuff happening around them.
01:12:12
Speaker
It's like, oh, another car chase. Another shootout. Alright. Duck in this building.
01:12:23
Speaker
I guess maybe Brittany Murphy is like the like like most normal person because she just like works at a bar and then goes home. Yeah, she just doesn't want to get abused. It's her thing. Yeah.
01:12:36
Speaker
yeah
01:12:39
Speaker
which is a perfectly reasonable like storyline. um It's just that like I feel like they don't use her a lot. She's great in her role, but you want more of Brittany Murphy's character.
01:12:53
Speaker
I think she shows up in each story, at least like for like one scene. I was seeing like The Big Fat Kill, but then like in the other ah stories, she's like the waitress at Katie's where the it's like,
01:13:07
Speaker
Hardigan asks her where Nancy is, then bar like she knows Marv, and she's like, hey, Marv, what's up? like and then we should probably, before we yeah close up, we we should probably just mention the bookends, which in, I think in the version we both watched, are clumped together in the bizarre segment themselves, but they so they're obviously supposed to be like the bookends of the movie, but the ah the customer's always right, Josh Hartnett scenes,
01:13:38
Speaker
Yeah, that I prefer the bookend story parts and not just insert it. Just, hey, anyway, here's a rush of just the drama and the tension. Well, it's so weird because they they and the version I watched or anything else the version you watched, it's after... It's like Big Fat Kill segment, which is like 30 minutes at
Josh Hartnett's Segments
01:13:59
Speaker
least.
01:13:59
Speaker
So then you you don't see the title see actually the actual Cincy title logo until like 40 minutes into the movie. ah The version I watched, that's like the second thing.
01:14:11
Speaker
You see the big fat kill.
01:14:15
Speaker
Yeah, so i that that recut extended uncut version of Amazon, you see the big fat kill in its entirety. And then the customer's always right, both segments. so But you're you're like 30, 40 minutes into the movie.
01:14:31
Speaker
and And then it's the the big like Sin City yeah logo comes up. Just out of nowhere, like i nowhere no context. Ever for then, if they just didn't do that, if you're going to take out this like yeah take a my logo. yeah Or make a new one and then just like insert it after the story.
01:14:55
Speaker
But yeah, I guess Josh Hartnett is an assassin...
01:15:00
Speaker
who shows up and then like Marley Shelton is, it's like, did Marley Shelton hire him to kill her or? i think it's ambiguous. You don't know because um she's, she's like running for something. And then yeah it's like, he's like, Oh, I'll i'll help you but stop running from like, I'll stop you stop running and then kills her.
01:15:21
Speaker
But yeah, it's like ambiguous. And then, because that's like an original story for the movie. His character though, is like and another character. He's the salesman. So it's it's... This one, I mean, it leaves an impact. You don't know.
01:15:37
Speaker
It's very dramatic. It's quick. You get a sense of like something's not right from the world. but That's why like, that's a good opening. It's a terrible mid-movie segment. Just dump in the middle, yeah.
01:15:53
Speaker
And then it's... the and it That's the the final sequence, too. After... after the second Yellow Master Part 2 is you you get you go back to the salesman, and then you see Alexis Bledel from Gilmore Girls, who is Becky, the the the prostitute that ah betrays everybody in the big fat kill, shows up at the hospital because she got shot at the end of that segment.
01:16:16
Speaker
And then she gets an elevator and then Josh Hartnett's there, says a doctor. and He's like, Becky, and officer, a cigarette. And then it's implied that he's to kill her for reasons.
01:16:27
Speaker
Someone hired her, hired him to kill her, or just wanted to kill her for some reason.
01:16:35
Speaker
Well, I mean, she betrayed the ladies from downtown. you think Yeah, do you think Rosario Dawson like hired the salesman or something? like ah Go find her, kill her. Either she did, or one of the mobsters who like she ran it to.
01:16:47
Speaker
And then to kind of like get revenge for a bad tip.
01:16:56
Speaker
So, I could see um like all these people wanted to just like tie up loose ends. Yeah, I can see the salesman working for more of like the mob.
01:17:07
Speaker
and like Or like Rorick or something. like like He seems like a very like high-end assassin.
01:17:17
Speaker
Like an Age of 47 style. I mean, if he kills her in that elevator, it's really hard to explain what happens now. He's got to drag her out and stuff. i mean where He's got hess he's set the skills to talk his way out. you know wes We saw Trap.
01:17:33
Speaker
yeah just he was is like He'll like throw a bottle of like oil in a fryer or something. and like like Or but steal someone's badge or something. Get out.
01:17:44
Speaker
That scene in Trap is crazy.
01:17:51
Speaker
He just casually walks away and scarred that girl for life. <unk>s scar that girl for life
01:18:02
Speaker
But yeah, anything else about Sin City, Chris? ah I mean, definitely watch. If you haven't seen it before, seeing the original theatrical cut is worth it. ah I guess this version we watch is fine for a revisit, once you are familiar with the series.
01:18:19
Speaker
I just feel like the the tension's kind of lost if you watch it in linear order.
01:18:27
Speaker
ah And yeah, Sin City's like a great, like, I don't know, like if you're in for a moody drama and and you just kind of want like a noir story.
01:18:40
Speaker
would say most visuals still hold up. Outside of the car stuff we were talking about, but like the like actual like look the black and white look and everything and the splashes of color like still are pretty awesome.
01:18:56
Speaker
And in like we were saying, like it definitely led into this whole era of much more, like, faithful, like, comic book adaptations that are, like, directly, like, straight from the comic book. Like, it's like, here's a comic book on the screen. and
01:19:13
Speaker
With, like, 300 and Watchmen and even, even like, kind of like Scott Pilgrim and stuff was did that, like, later on, too.
01:19:24
Speaker
and It was also like it was also like right before you know the marvel like Marvel took over as far as like the comic book movies, because that was 2008 when that all kicked off.
01:19:37
Speaker
So it was it was like this pre-Marvel comic book era.
Sequel and Podcast Conclusion
01:19:42
Speaker
era
01:19:48
Speaker
And, yeah, the sequel, not great. Definitely a huge step down from the first one. Tremendous step down. And then don't even don't even talk about the spirit that Frank Miller directed by himself.
01:20:02
Speaker
You know, the spirit isn't terrible. It's coherent. It's random. I mean, okay, it's coherent as an overall plot, but the spirit definitely just has, like, a bunch of nonsense, like, things happening that I don't think in the comic is like that.
01:20:17
Speaker
It's like, no context, crazy costume changes, background effects.
01:20:27
Speaker
I mean, then, then, don't know. I feel like I like the spirit in a weird way, just because it's visually overloading. And it's like, oh, did you like Sin City? Well, what if we did Sin City with the spirit? I'm just like, damn it, no, you should have done a wol but black and white Wolverine movie.
01:20:40
Speaker
what I mean, that, yeah, that was, that was just like Frank Miller by himself being like, i don't need Robert Rodriguez. Like, I learned enough to like, from these, these two movies to like, direct my own movie.
01:20:50
Speaker
Yeah, definitely you need a hand. Yeah, you need to remember when you get this help.
01:20:58
Speaker
But yeah, so definitely definitely check it out um if you haven't seen it a while. ah And come back next week, we're going to be ah boarding Air Force One because Amazon's getting G20 next week, ah which is their prime video ah original movie with Reveal Davis is a kick-ass president.
01:21:18
Speaker
And so we're we're jumping back to one of the most ah famous kick-ass presidents in movie history, Harrison Ford.
01:21:28
Speaker
Then all the iconic moments and... ah character actors galore in that movie you we're talking about side characters in the movie like that air force one is just like jammed to the gills with like character actors
01:21:43
Speaker
so uh yeah we'll dive into all that next week and you want more from us head over to the site we've got um actually all sorts of trailers because it was uh it's cinema con you're here in this week this week um the big, I think it's the theater chains hold a convention where all the studios come and like pitch them then like all the upcoming movies.
01:22:03
Speaker
And then, but all the news kind leaks out to like, you know general public and new trailers stuff. So there's a lot of new trailers for stuff like um the first trailer for like the Naked Gun remake or like sequel um and Megan 2.0 and Crying Kid Legends. So if want to check out some new trailers, it's all at the site along with all our usual stuff.
01:22:26
Speaker
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01:22:44
Speaker
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