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Final Destination (2000)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris dodge Death and talk about Final Destination, which is celebrating its 25th anniversary.
Kicking off a horror franchise that continues this year with Final Destination: Bloodlines in May, the original film stars Devon Sawa as Alex Browning, who has a premonition of the plane his class is traveling to Paris on exploding after take-off and freaks out. He, along with several of his classmates and a teacher, Valerie Lewton (Kristen Cloke) are kicked off the plane but Alex's vision is proven true. A month later, the survivors begin to die in freak accidents, and Alex and fellow survivor Clear Rivers (Ali Larter) learn that Death itself may be coming after them for avoiding it on the plane. Zach and Chris discuss some of the rules of this movie compared to the others in the series, how everyone seems to hate Sean William Scott, how Death's only hands-on kill in the franchise is Alex's friend Tod (Chad Donella), Tony Todd's first appearance as Bludworth and more.
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Introduction and Episode Details
00:00:03
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Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
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Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast week of March 17th, 2025. I'm your
Final Destination 25th Anniversary Discussion
00:00:24
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host, Zach. I'm your co-host, Chris. And this week we are dodging death and talking about Final Destination, which is celebrating its 25th anniversary. came out ah March 17th, 2000. And kicked off you know an entire franchise, which we're actually getting a new entry in, ah I believe in May this year or June.
00:00:44
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So then this summer we're getting Final Destination Bloodlines. ah Yeah, May this year we're getting Bloodlines, which will be the sixth movie in the franchise. But it all started here in the first one.
00:00:57
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which And I think, Chris, this is probably like one of the low-key, strongest horror franchises, because i I don't think anyone really hates any of the movies in in the series. ah
Franchise Strengths and Unique Elements
00:01:08
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they they No one hates them.
00:01:09
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Some people just prefer other plot lines, but generally, it's like you don't see this movie for the plot. You see it for the kills.
00:01:21
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Yeah, they ah all the movies give you exactly what you expect from them. I think because of the sequel, like, number two and then beyond, like, these movies are not meant to be in-depth character dramas.
00:01:36
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yeah you can and you can Yeah, you can jump into, like, into three and not know anything about the rest of the movies, then just watch that one if you wanted. I've seen people just watch three and then on. They either had no interest didn't care to see one, but they were fan.
Analysis of Franchise's Approach to Death and Horror Tropes
00:01:54
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after you Yeah, I mean, I think the whole the whole series is solid. There's not the one, like, even, like, the strongest a series, like, Nightmare on Street, like, Fray's Dead is terrible. Like, just, ah like, objectively terrible.
00:02:08
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But I think all the Final Fantasy movies are all, there's, like, a like a level of solid in all of them, and then some of them are better than others. but yeah but It just depends on, like, what kills are in them, what the opening is.
00:02:20
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I think 2 is probably the strongest one for most people, just because that opening like traffic accident is iconic. Yeah, 2 is the still is the scariest for the most realistic things that could just happen to people.
00:02:35
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Yeah, there's still people that say like when they're driving by a log truck that they get worried because they they saw Final Station 2. also think that ever since this movie, Final Destinating, things just became more of a colloquial term and people just understand what you mean by that.
00:02:52
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And prep premonitions and all that stuff. I don't know about premonitions. That one is little weird. Deja vuing and just having fear of, I guess, scary-ass situations.
00:03:08
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Yeah, that's the main thing.
Creative and Random Death Scenarios
00:03:10
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It's all... like you could just like the whole point the foundation is there's you could just walk into a random like room in your house and death is rigged a bunch of stuff to like it causes water leak in your house you slip on the floor and then a knife falls on your head or like ah you know um you're in a tanning bed and it like gets locked up and you burn to death or it's like everyday occurrence uh you could be killed in some freak accident uh
00:03:41
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I do appreciate that they spend at least a year or two to think about the next thing. ah Just because it's they don't want to keep making the movie the same movie.
00:03:53
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Every movie feels slightly different. Or it's something... ah to um up the ante.
Franchise Rules and Cheating Death
00:04:00
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but yeah as an They don't have to do It's not like the, the hey, this is the new biblical rule in the movie where if you wear this medallion, it indicates something. you know It's very real basic of what what they establish in the lore of that movie.
00:04:14
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Yeah, well they definitely yeah week they definitely ramp up the like how elaborate the sequences are they they get more and more complex with all the pieces that had either fall in place before someone gets killed.
00:04:26
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And they they do add new wrinkles to things. i think I think, wasn't it five, I think, where if you killed someone or cause someone to die, you took their, like their like life force or like their like time left. Yeah.
00:04:40
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Which is new. Yeah. It was, Hey, if you can figure out this rule, um, One just establishes if you duck out of order, it goes down the line. That was the but pretty much it And then two was if you save a life, you might be able to prevent it, which they don't say if they do or not. It sort of implied that it's not.
00:05:02
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Three...
Character Dynamics and Narrative Approaches
00:05:03
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think three, there's nothing. it was Four... Four was pretty much the same. i don't i don't think the gimmick was anything.
00:05:15
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And then five was if you kill someone, you can take their time. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's it. And here's the thing. i didn't have to rewatch any of them to figure that out again. Like i watched all of them at least once to be a fan.
00:05:31
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But this series is pretty approachable where you don't need to rewatch it and like study it, go on some Internet forum.
Origins and Evolution from X-Files Spec Script
00:05:40
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It's pretty self-explanatory.
00:05:44
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Yeah, it's just a new group gi escapes the one disaster, but then finds themselves in more disasters. I guess because of that, I think we can grow this movie a little bit more. I was seeing trying to see the difference in where the franchise has been since like twenty 25 years of this which is crazy because I think 25 years of something would be like the 80s but 25 years is still like 2000 beginnings of new metal yeah like the soundtrack I remember was just like the the big selling point of a final destination unlike some trailers i was like oh did you hear about that song it's a final destination
00:06:25
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Well, that's... The main song they use is John Denver, so... I think it was Rocky Mountain High, like, constantly.
00:06:34
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I remember there was, like, something else. I guess, I mean, there's, like, Nine Inch Nails they use, like, it Into the Void, which has... Which has the lyrics, like, Fallen This Nation in it, so that's why they use that one. It's like, oh, get it?
00:06:45
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And also Nine Inch Nails is super hot right now. i think that's that's what I'm thinking. Uh... And... and and um This movie definitely was not built on... Actually, one, to get to the kills, I think those were just...
Role of Premonitions in Plot
00:07:02
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Like, James Wong was... As he was figuring out how to place this all together, he definitely was just, okay, what do we have right now to get to what we need to?
00:07:13
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Where some movies are revolved around major kills, and then how do we get there? You could tell just because... Some deaths are very thoughtful and elaborate, and some deaths are just like, I don't know, this falls on them.
00:07:27
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Or um this explodes and some shrapnel comes at them, which happens a lot in the series. If it's just some character, I'm not sure that's everybody, but it's at least one in every movie. There is something that explodes and flies into somebody.
00:07:47
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's... In the first this first one, i feel like um the pieces are all there. They just haven't quite clicked them into place. like Because yeah like some of the some of the kill scenes are super fast or super simple.
00:08:01
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And then they get more... like They figured out, oh, our our thing in the later movies is Rude Goldberg mechanisms where it's 30 steps and then like this thing that you didn't see coming killed the person. Mm-hmm.
00:08:14
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um And the like the the opening accident is kind of, there's more of like a buildup. There's more like this tense buildup to it.
Franchise's Evolution in Depicting Death
00:08:25
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Because I think the rest of the movies are, they kind of um you know, like three with the roller coaster, they kind of just show you all, oh, this piece is loose. This wrench just got left around the track you know, everything that's going to cause it to go bad.
00:08:41
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but the first The first one is more of like this eerie coincidences and these little hints that something bad might happen. like um and Like Devin Sawa, Alex, like when he goes to get his ticket, the ticket is like, oh, your flight is the same date like time as your birthday, 925. Isn't that weird? Yeah, <unk> there's way more tie-ins to him.
00:09:09
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Or, you know, just more unique character foreshadowing than I think other movies have.
00:09:17
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Like you said, just because his date, the luggage tag in the beginning where it's like from his father's luggage tag. Yeah, does it they take they take longer to get to the actual ah like plane explosion and in the first one. they don' They really take their time getting their on Okay, so what age did you see this movie? ah Uh... Did you see it, like, within the release time?
00:09:50
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It's probably afterwards, like, on video or something, or DVD. I don't think I saw it in theaters. saw this in theaters. Yeah, saw this in theaters. Mm-hmm. Um. one of my like older, my brother's like friend, just like, Hey, we bought tickets. And I'm like, I'm in and like middle school. I'm just like, hell yeah.
00:10:06
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but
00:10:08
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So, uh, yeah, I didn't see the, I knew that somewhat it was based on like a, like an explosion or something. And then it's like death is creeping, but I didn't know it, it was the, um, like the incentive thing was the flight because,
00:10:26
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um
00:10:28
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Final destination is based on just like travel. You know, it's like wherever you're going, the final destination, wherever your final destination may be. Like they say that in air travel a lot. Yeah. So you think a lot of the movie is going to be about like travel murder or something like that.
00:10:43
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It's not. like It's more of a killing thing of just like, yeah, your final destination is death. It's like, oh, oh, it's clever. Oh, it's devil and Tundra.
00:10:54
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But now, imagine as a middle school person without like the internet the way it is now. So when you see things like that, you're like, whoa, whoa! Like, blew my mind.
00:11:05
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ah I mean, I wasn't the brightest kid, I guess, but just going from like... you know, movies about serial killers and, like, supernatural stuff that is just ethereal, like, you can't control it.
00:11:21
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A lot of this is, oh, no, like, the reason why people die is because death is setting up these complex murder puzzles that you fall into. Yeah, death death is a presence, but it's not a physical presence. At least, at least like, one unique instance it is, and then the rest of the the series, it's just, like, this dark force behind the scenes, like,
00:11:43
Speaker
but but causing things to happen. and But it's not like a... There's not a Grim Reaper with a scythe coming and slashing people with it or something. A few years prior to this, there was The Frighteners.
00:11:56
Speaker
Yes. That was legit. Like a Grim Reaper entity killing people, like putting its fingers in people's hearts. I still argue. A very underrated movie. I feel like there's... I mean, there's a little bit of elements in this in this because you know that had the whole foreshadowed people had numbers on their heads and that foreshadowed like their deaths and's like and this is also like you know Alex gets foreshadowed, gets clues to people's deaths before they happen.
00:12:21
Speaker
Very, very similar. I think this was supposed to be James Wong. He basically wrote a Frighteners fanfic story and then... what it's a what um Jeffrey Reddick, who's actually like kind of like the mastermind behind the whole series...
00:12:34
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he he he wanted to get an agent, like a TV agent, so he wrote a spec script for the X-Files. That was, you know, this oh this this guy sees a has a premonition of this airplane disaster or whatever, and then that was going to be an X-Files episode.
00:12:49
Speaker
But then the the guys who write the X-Files were like, no, this is actually like good enough to be a movie. Why don't you like make it into but like a full movie? It will help you. So then James Wong directed it, and then Glenn Morgan produced it.
00:13:02
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they're they go They were writing on the X-Files. So that's how this... It started out as just like a ah script that Jeffrey Reddick could get an agent, and then it became like know this whole franchise.
00:13:17
Speaker
Yeah, spec scripts are very interesting just because... um It could just be three paragraphs. And they're like, hell yeah. I think there's like dialogue in the spec script. So at some point, someone had to write, like if you if we avoid death, like death gets us. And they're like, wow, so cool.
00:13:38
Speaker
i wonder I wonder if that like the fact that it was an X-Files script is like the why there's the FBI agents in this movie. They are very they're like they are you very sparsely, heavy.
00:13:49
Speaker
but they come in hot and heavy But I also feel like i feel like it's only in this movie. like I don't think the other movies really have like you know a cop or investigating or thinking one the people is like a killer or something. feel like there was.
00:14:04
Speaker
Wasn't there? i gotta i gotta rewat i feel like I'm going to definitely rewatch all of them again before video comes out. but Yeah, we're going to rewatch. Um... I'm trying to think. like It's hard to prove because some of the deaths are just like miles apart. If someone dies in another area. like The only thing that ties everyone together is that they're in the same town.
00:14:28
Speaker
In every movie, everyone is in the same town. No one is an out-of-towner. Well, the highway pileup, I think, is the only one. i think So number two.
00:14:38
Speaker
Right? Everyone's out of state. Probably. Because it's like an interstate something. yeah Yeah, it's interstate.
00:14:47
Speaker
Yeah, otherwise, that's the one in movie that breaks that rule. Is that everyone just lives in the same town. i feel I feel like Alex doesn't help his case that he's not like causing them, though, in this movie. Because he's constantly just sweaty and running around and freaking out and like showing up creepily at people's houses and...
00:15:07
Speaker
ah Yeah, he's seen all the time. He's definitely someone that if you had to say was the serial killer in the movie, he just would be it.
00:15:20
Speaker
I do like that and between the first parts of the movie and then the like what happens next, it's 30-something days. It's not immediate.
00:15:31
Speaker
In some cases in the Final Destination series, the big inciting incident it's usually the week later or something like that. It's like maybe a few days after that where there's Townsend mourning and then it's, uh, they figure out the rules, what's going on, or they, you know, they meet, uh, Tony Todd.
00:15:53
Speaker
Yes. That's when, like, the thing goes. But in this, they still kind of pace it. they they so They really allow the, uh, the characters to sort of live their lives for a bit.
00:16:05
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I mean, they're on easy, you know, but they are not completely, like, bombarded by what's happening next.
00:16:16
Speaker
Yeah, that that takes a break for a little bit before he starts, you know, taking out people again. He's like, oh, shit. And then he goes back at, like, unfinished project. I just got, like, ah how many how people were on the plane? Like, 200 people?
00:16:27
Speaker
Yeah. ah So, not to spoil about Final Destination 5, but do you think... Did Death sort of... Was busy... like Do you think Death only picks a certain group... And then focuses in on that... And then turns to the next group?
00:16:45
Speaker
Or it's like Death is one of those... like Multitaskers where... It's constantly... Doing this to a lot of people. You know?
00:16:58
Speaker
Because I'm wondering... If there's another side story where... While this movie is going on too... another group is having some other problem, and they're just not mentioned because it's like two chaotic things just happening in the world at the same time.
00:17:13
Speaker
You know what I mean? Yeah, well, I mean, that's just you you said like that's but's what happened, like, let's be fighting in five is ah But it's one after another. so it's it's very, like, death did a whole bunch of crazy things here, and then Ben focused on this to kind of like, all right, cool, two for one.
00:17:31
Speaker
it It caused a bridge collapse, and then immediately afterwards, like, Now I'm going to blow up a plane. Like a month later? But... You know what's crazy? If that's supposed to be a prequel, everyone is just going about their day and I don't know how long of a time frame.
00:17:49
Speaker
That the bridge collapse, and then all the things that happen, and then and the French thing.
00:17:57
Speaker
i mean, that's another thing. That's the the insane thing in a series. The incidents that happen in this movie... would still be talked about within like a while. you just i mean Between 1 and 2, they talk about it, but then beyond that, they don't care. like Everyone's like archiving about the first two movies. but yeah like like like one Flight 180 is like a ah big thing in the first two, and then no one mentions again. and and then the Well, no one mentioned about the rollercoaster. It just seemed like that was like a hometown problem.
00:18:30
Speaker
Yeah. you And then the stadium one was crazy. The racetrack one. The stock car race.
00:18:40
Speaker
But... Anyway. ah Let's talk about the flight. Because it is pre-9-11 problems on that plane.
00:18:54
Speaker
ah In terms of like... Like, Devin Savoie getting the vision and then freaking out. It's very like... basic. And then as soon as he, like, yells, the stewardess is like, we are so gonna kick you off. It's not even like, hey, calm down, what's going on, blah blah blah, like, everything's alright. They're like, sir?
00:19:12
Speaker
you're gonna get kicked off. Like, shut up, teen. And then, and then Kersmith is like, hey, man, sit down, or I'm gonna punch you in the face, and then he gets thrown off, and then it's like, and the guard's like, everyone in the aisle off this plane. don't care what you're doing.
00:19:26
Speaker
Even, like, the teacher, Sean William Scott, like, For a giant plane, which, if you remember the when they introduced the plane, it looks fucking evil. Like an evil plane.
00:19:38
Speaker
It's like shadowy blue, and then it's parked really close to that window. Oh, yeah. i So, um like, I fly a lot.
00:19:49
Speaker
I used to travel a lot. Um, planes don't, didn't do that. Like, you, you, you can't just have a plane nose, like, that close the gate. Yeah, if the plane, if the plane is coming that close to the window, something is horribly wrong. Like, it's like, crashing to, like, the terminal.
00:20:04
Speaker
It's like an airplane thing. Yeah. What's even crazier is that if you think about how they're loading in the, the, like, the tunnel to like get on the plane.
00:20:17
Speaker
I don't even know where they're coming in from. Cause like if the plane is that close, like they're loading it from like the cargo, like, you know, i was like, where are they walking down this tunnel? Anyway, I realized, um, that doesn't matter because it's not like the incident happens in that.
00:20:32
Speaker
The incident is just, yeah, that's all, that's all a dream. It's all a premonition. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Well, okay, so, when everyone gets kicked off, they do a quick, like, alright, hey, just, we'll figure this out, everyone get off the plane, and then, the teachers are smart, they're like, okay, in three hours, we'll take the next flight, we'll just kill time here, but blah blah blah.
00:20:55
Speaker
Uh, but their luggage is still sailing that way, you know, they just completely, all their stuff is going. ah I still feel bad for William Sean Scott because oh sean scott because he just like came out of the bathroom.
00:21:08
Speaker
That's all it. Yeah, wrong place, wrong time. He was like, hey, I'm late. I got to get to my seat. His character is so weird because everyone hates him. He's like, oh, it's this guy. We all hate him.
00:21:25
Speaker
He rides his bike everywhere. He's a loser.
00:21:29
Speaker
That's so weird. He's just like, like, ever like and like, Devin Sawa doesn't like him. Like, like, like Carter, Chris Smith, like, well I mean, yeah he's the bully. He hates everyone, but like he like really hates him.
00:21:40
Speaker
Like, no, no, one it's just like, showing this guy's like the, like the school, this like weirdo.
00:21:48
Speaker
Why? Yeah.
00:21:53
Speaker
Um, Yeah, so, and then, then Ellie Larder is like, i well, I'm getting off too because I believe Alex saw something, which, we were talking before we started recording, it's so weird to see Ellie Larder in this movie as, like, kind of like the mousy, quiet, like, introvert, like,
00:22:10
Speaker
like introvert I do not know how to make like nerd characters yet. And then you see her like you know recently in Landman, or even even the year before this, she was in Varsity Blues and like yo doing the whipped cream bikinis. Holy shit, that's the same year? The year before.
00:22:25
Speaker
Wow. I thought Varsity Blue was later. Nope, it was yeah before this. Wow. thats that's that's That's like a 180 in a year, and then like yeah like recently it's just like, oh, she's like one of the most over-the-top insane characters in television history.
00:22:43
Speaker
wow so it's so It's also like Clear is such a weird name. Yeah. Little hippie parents, I guess.
00:22:54
Speaker
We can't call her Claire. That's too normal. We have to call her Clear. just make it confusing that people will hear Claire, but it's Clear.
00:23:08
Speaker
i mean, it doesn't really make her super unique. It's not like she's the artist one in the group. clear rivers
00:23:21
Speaker
yeah that that definitely is like a hippie name although don't know don't know if she says her hip parents are hippies like it's like well what was her tragic backstory that her father went out to get cigarettes and got hit by car or something that's it i think so like she she like explains that like um Yeah, her her father died, and then her mother married, like, this douchebag, and then, like, basically kicked her out of the house, and now I think she lives with, like, her grandmother or aunt or something. And then she just just makes, she, like, welds now. She she welds sculptures.
00:23:56
Speaker
See, she she came out of, um like, what's that Freddie Prinze Jr. movie? Oh, uh... She's All That? She's All That, yeah.
00:24:11
Speaker
Did chi all She's All That come out the same time?
00:24:15
Speaker
Probably around the same time, yeah.
00:24:20
Speaker
Although, they don't they don't ah you'll give her like big glasses or anything. They didn't give her gel. No, no. So, She's All That came out the year prior. So they definitely saw She's All That and just said, okay, let's have a She's All That character.
00:24:37
Speaker
And they did. And it didn't really...
00:24:43
Speaker
It didn't translate well, because I kind of forget she's like the nerdy one, because in the next movie, she's just like not. She's a generic biker. She's like Sarah Connor. Kind of. I don't know how she's defeating death.
00:24:55
Speaker
Because she locks herself. She like is like in a like like a psychiatric ward, and they have to find her, and then she's she's like the hardened survivor now.
00:25:06
Speaker
Although, the weird the weird thing about 2, it's like sports for 2, is that like, Alex el is killed off screen. Like, I think I was reading, like, because I haven't seen two in a while, but I just heard like the plot synopsis.
00:25:18
Speaker
And he gets hit in head with a brick. That's how he dies. Yeah.
00:25:25
Speaker
Yep, I guess they just went, okay. um They went through all that. went through all that. dust like That seems like a really lazy death for death to do. It's like this guy that like defied you for like constantly. Numerous attempts.
00:25:38
Speaker
It's like, i I'm going to throw a brick at your head. Boom, I got you. I guess, was death just frustrated at that point and just said, screw it, no creative death. just Let's just move this brick and drop it from a building.
00:25:50
Speaker
Yep.
00:25:54
Speaker
Death got lazy.
00:25:59
Speaker
But yeah ah so yeah. 30 days after the plane incident and then the funerals and then the typical Tony Todd warning. That's where start investigating. like That's when Todd gets sh strangled and then that's the inside thing for Devin Sawa to be or Alex to say, okay, hey, I need to figure out what's going on. I need to look I need to be like a aware of death because I'm getting way too much like and don't know signs.
00:26:31
Speaker
do Do you think they planned on having Tony Todd be like the main recurring character the whole series? Or they thought this was just like a cool... We we got Candyman in our new horror franchise. think that was it.
00:26:43
Speaker
I don't think it yeah it was just a and like a happenstance where it's like Tony Todd came back. It definitely wasn't planned out.
00:26:54
Speaker
I don't think they're also saying that Tony Todd was death. That's like another thing some people say that like and throughout all the movies, Tony Todd is secretly the one like doing all this.
00:27:05
Speaker
No, I think he just understands it like the most about of anyone. He like knows like how death works because he's like mortician. Yeah, I see it that way too. That makes more sense instead of he's he's like in cahoots.
00:27:20
Speaker
Yeah. it's like He's like worshipping death or something. He's like, I i see your planned death. I'll get these kids to like in in place. see He's also very chill about people breaking into his mortuary.
00:27:35
Speaker
Like, Clear and Alex break into the roof and like because they want to see like Todd's body and he's like, oh, hello, I'm here. me tell you all about that friend's body. Hmm.
00:27:49
Speaker
Yeah, and and Todd's death is definitely like the most unique of the entire series because um and don't know they shot it first, but it's definitely the first one. they They shot it in a way where death is actively killing him and like you like covering his tracks. it it it It tightens the cord around his neck like it's strangling him.
00:28:11
Speaker
And then like makes the water that he slipped disappear so that it looks like he just like hung himself in the in tub. But then that's the only death in the entire series where that really happens. like Where death is like actively trying to cover it up and make it look like something else. Because then the rest of the series is just freak accidents.
00:28:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's just... like It makes everyone seem clumsy. Yeah.
00:28:35
Speaker
and you and you really And you really see in that scene too. oh like there's like They have like the... kind like the there's like ah You see a little bit of like a cloaked kind of like weird specter vision of death flying around. Yeah, I did notice that more. And then they kind of stopped doing that.
00:28:49
Speaker
Which I like. I like that they just make it seem like the environment instead of a supernatural force that is just blurry, like a ghostly after effect.
00:29:01
Speaker
Yeah, because then it it makes it harder for the rest of the survivors to be you know tell people that something's after them, where it's just you know they all these random occurrences are happening. It's like, deaths death's killing us!
00:29:14
Speaker
Or stalking us! It's like, no, your friend was just in a car crash. That's not unusual.
00:29:22
Speaker
You know, or I'm surprised no one's done a choking death, where someone's just eating something, and then they just die from that.
00:29:31
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. I'm trying to...
00:29:35
Speaker
I mean, it it might have, but like in my head, I'm like, I'm pretty sure there isn't something crazy like that. Everyone's died from horrific accidents that are like already kind of dangerous if you misuse this.
00:29:49
Speaker
I'm surprised there wasn't death by window blinds. which you know If you use almost everything else in a house that you'd use to kill someone in the series...
00:30:01
Speaker
But window blinds did do like a number of incidences before. Modern window blinds these days don't have the string. It's the like... The pole thing. The pole to go like up now.
00:30:16
Speaker
Which I don't mind, but if just sometimes I just want the but like The rope. The rope is what kills a lot of people. I could definitely see and like like a Todd-esque where like yo know he slipped and like got the cord around his neck. like someone Someone's in like a living room, they trip, and then like they write the cord wraps on their throat, and then the windows go up or something, and he pulls them up and hangs them.
00:30:41
Speaker
ah I don't know if they'd be strong enough to like like hold up a human body, though. i mean, a shower like string cord did.
00:30:55
Speaker
Whoever installed that, like, really, like, was using strong poxy or whatever. And i I also like, too, that they like this is, like, the first kind of like, fake-out death of the series, too, because he but he plugs in the radio, and then, know, it's like the water's on the floor, you think, he's getting electrocuted, and then it turns into, like, the the shower strangle.
00:31:21
Speaker
and then Also, so why did they let him give a crazy speech? That was on at the ah funeral. Like, he's... He's decided, hey, i'm gonna I found this poem I'm going to read about death.
00:31:33
Speaker
ah Can I read that to everybody? Yeah, no vetting. Just, okay, yeah, Todd, go ahead. no He goes on for a while, and it's all, like, dark. Yep.
00:31:46
Speaker
And then they have the one guitar guy playing whenever goes up. to like it's the which is ah It's a weird statue, too. It's like an eagle with everyone's name on it.
00:31:58
Speaker
I don't know why that... Was that the school mascot? Maybe. Or, like... think Yeah, you think it'd be don't it I don't know what it would be. Like, I don't know what the proper statue would be for that school, for, like, a bunch of people dying in a plane crash.
00:32:11
Speaker
Definitely not a plane. You wouldn't make it a plane. They wouldn't make it plane, but, again, they put in on a bird that's flying, which I'm like, oh, okay. Also, uh... So, like, is the school over?
00:32:26
Speaker
Because everyone just seems to, like, not go to school anymore.
00:32:30
Speaker
Well, they were on their seat it was especially their senior trip, right? To Paris? I guess so. And then did they graduate? Or the school was just like, um we're going to we're we're just gonna ask Pass the surviving French kids.
00:32:46
Speaker
because Everyone in that surviving group all had to take French to get to... like so I never did well in any of those language classes where the class trip goes anywhere. My school didn't really do that.
00:32:58
Speaker
No, mine either. The French one might have, maybe. But i did not I didn't know anyone. And then the Spanish one, definitely not. For our senior trip, we went to Toronto, but it wasn't like a language thing. It was just the senior class just went on a trip.
00:33:14
Speaker
Holy shit. You did better than my school. but was only let know there's There's only like, I don't know, 50 of us. It was a small school. That's good as an enrichment thing, but I'm just like middle USA, Jersey school that just like, oh, you want culture? Just go to the city.
00:33:35
Speaker
just you You live 40 minutes from like Philly or New York. Just go to one of them. you don't need You don't need to have the difficulty of being a suburban person and then not being a city person.
00:33:46
Speaker
Now do that in another language.
00:33:51
Speaker
But anyway, going from like New York at the time when I was in middle school watching this movie, ah just so like, oh, I guess like, you know, you still get the idea that like suburban schools were just way better because they got to go on field trips and then explode on airplanes.
00:34:09
Speaker
Yep. It doesn't happen as a city person, inner city kid like me.
00:34:19
Speaker
I'm just thinking like, it It would be ah different thing where if it was the whole class and they were the only surviving teens from that like that year.
00:34:30
Speaker
You know, I mean, like for that class that whatever graduating year, they all went on that plane is like a school trip. And that. Yeah. And now that's the only like three kids, four. Was it like five? Five teams left.
00:34:43
Speaker
Six kids. And then the teacher. because it's kind of like an Archie situation, what they've got going on. Yep. Basically, yeah. They've just got free to do whatever. Drive out at night, go meet up for coffee, drive around the town. like Where's all the other people?
00:35:01
Speaker
I mean, there's a whole audience full of people, but then it's a lot parents, it's a lot of... I mean, there's some some classmates, and like some classmates come up and leave roses or whatever to have to mar it all, but...
00:35:12
Speaker
yeah they did like are they like underclassmen they're not they're not seniors because like the entire senior class is dead except for six people i mean that'd be a crazy movie and just like well y'all everyone automatically graduates you but you're good you suffered enough yeah
00:35:37
Speaker
so um the next the next death after todd um is, you know, the series is known for, like, all these elaborate deaths, but I feel like this is, like, one of the most iconic deaths, even though it's the the quickest one. Uh, where, uh, Kirsten's, like, girlfriend Carrie, like, steps into the street, gets hit by a bus.
00:35:57
Speaker
Yeah, not as cool. Just more of an accident. I feel like that's one of the most memorable deaths, though, just how fast it is. The way she's just like, hope you all drop dead!
00:36:12
Speaker
Completely obliterated. Mm-hmm.
00:36:19
Speaker
And then... But then next after her is, like ah it like, the first... I feel like that's the first, like, actual big Final Destination-style, like, sequence. Because it's it's a lot of build-up. A lot of, like, parts in place for when, like, Mrs. Luton gets killed. Whoa. That's where they kind of, like, find out the formula.
00:36:40
Speaker
Yeah, that's that that is a classic Final Destination sequence where there's, like, a lot of steps, a lot of... ah hook couple fake-outs... Highlighting all the things that can kill you in this room.
00:36:54
Speaker
Showcasing how deadly a kitchen could be. Actually, I'm surprised the movie didn't do a thing where all the kills take place in a household. And there's just like different rooms that can kill you. it's like The bathroom can kill you. The kitchen can kill you. The garage can kill you.
00:37:10
Speaker
The bedroom can kill you.
00:37:14
Speaker
i guess, I mean, two of it at least, I guess. What, just the kitchen and bathroom? Yeah. but I'm just saying, like have it be a theme. There's little bit... I mean, at the end when like clears Clears' house is like blowing up from lightning, it's also kind of like a house trying to kill you.
00:37:32
Speaker
That's true.
00:37:35
Speaker
but But it'd be different. Because at that point, that's just like out that's nature. that's just That's just nature pointing at your house.
00:37:44
Speaker
Yeah, Mrs. Luton, though I feel like she should have realized... Wouldn't you realize, if your if your coffee mug was leaking that much, wouldn't you, like, realize it? Because
00:37:54
Speaker
it's, like... You're just a stressful teacher? but Yeah, she's so she's so stressed out and because she's moving. she's the one, like, she's, like, ah packing up. But, I mean, it'd be like, okay, hey, I get the plane that happened, then Todd, and then it's like, okay, and then she's just like, I need to leave. And I gotta rethink my life.
00:38:13
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:38:19
Speaker
but But it's like, her coffee mug is dripping like and she has vodka in it because she tries to make but should i make tea or coffee and then dumps it out because she sees she sees the mug is like the school mug. Yeah.
00:38:32
Speaker
She's like, oh god!
00:38:35
Speaker
This is not party time. Yeah, so she pours off some vodka but it's like the fast heat into cold cause the mug to crack. Which does make sense, but It is like, how cold was that vodka? How hot was that coffee? she but she um she and she puts ice in it too, but still.
00:38:54
Speaker
and shouldn't do that. but that's like ah That's a really fragile mug. But then it's leaking so much that there's like a ah giant trail of vodka like leading in into like the room she goes into that you know catches fire afterwards.
00:39:08
Speaker
Because she drips it all over her computer. which Like, why would you hold... Yeah, like, holding your... Even if it wasn't leaking, would you hold a mug over your computer? That could eventually spill into it?
00:39:22
Speaker
Well, they didn't know about that. They know you shouldn't get your computer wet back then. Yeah, it was still like... She might have still had dial-up at that point. Who knows?
00:39:35
Speaker
But yeah that it's yeah, the whole step... she Her computer explodes, it jabs her the neck with a ah piece of glass, and then it when it blows up, it causes the vodka to like light on fire because it's alcohol, it leads into the kitchen and starts causing a fire. Burning her kitchen down, yeah. Yeah.
00:39:57
Speaker
Then a whole bunch of knives fall on it. Yeah, just like all the sharp things in her room. that was That was like a Found Destination touch, where she's like, yeah, she's trying to like pull down like a a washcloth or like ah a cloth to stop the bleeding, and then like it pulls a knife into her chest.
00:40:14
Speaker
Yeah, I remember just wincing at that scene I first saw it. It's still kind of scary, because it's just like so many things going wrong. Mm-hmm. And Alex shows up and he's trying to help and then a chair falls down and like hits the knife into her chest like all the way and kills her. Kill.
00:40:32
Speaker
Wound. And then he like pulls the knife out and he's like like classic circular move mode. It's like, oh, it looks like I did it. Also, his foot puts her over to place.
00:40:46
Speaker
And he was he was there earlier being like a creep. like he's It's just like like walking back and forth outside her house. Then trying to like looking at her tires and the FBI agents show up like, hey, what are you doing over there?
00:41:05
Speaker
And then they do like interrogate him. And feel like that the one, the other FBI agent is like, I kind of believed him. Like he's he's like, I guess he's like the Mulder. And then Danny Robach is is this is the the Scully. It's like, I don't believe any of this shit.
00:41:23
Speaker
You know, I'm surprised like a neighbor to just walk by and then ah like sees the but knife and then like, oh, like it's just like, no, no, no, it's not what it looks like.
00:41:36
Speaker
i do love that Alex runs out of the house and then Sean William Scott's there and then the house explodes. It's like the final coup d'etat.
00:41:45
Speaker
Well, Sean William Scott is funny because he's just like this bumbling guy, which he plays perfect, but it's not like Stifler yet. he she yeah apparently he just rides around town on his bike and just like, yeah, just bubbles around.
00:42:01
Speaker
but then they yeah But then they finally assembly all the rest of them together because ah there's like, there's only four of them left. And then Alex figures out, well, he gets the clue from the tv news report because the news report, like they finally figured out what caused the plane crash.
00:42:15
Speaker
And there's like a path of like the explosion. And then Alex figures out Oh, death is like is like killing us and and like where we would have sat in the plane if we were still on the plane. So now he knows the pattern of who's going to get killed next.
00:42:30
Speaker
Which I feel like... I think all the movies do. like it's there's always it's like That's the order. It's like you die the order that you would have died if you were like work if if you were i actually in the accident. Oh no, it's like no surviving that plane. That plane exploded.
00:42:44
Speaker
But okay, ah we get to the point where this is based on a real thing that happened.
00:42:50
Speaker
You know that? Yeah, I think yeah there was like someone... so I think it's there's been a lot of people having premonitions of disasters. then they're like No, no, no, no. The plane. How it exploded. It happened 1996.
00:43:02
Speaker
It's based flight in 1996. based on a twa flight i like ninety ninety six um It's like in the Wikipedia article of Final Destination where it's like, oh no, it's that was like something that like unfortunately did like exactly what it is.
00:43:18
Speaker
was just like a fuel regulator that just like leaked and they're just like, nah, it's safe. And then it just took off and exploded. And ever since then, they're like, okay, we need more safety checks. We need better maintenance of airplanes.
00:43:30
Speaker
But holy shit, that was just like a thing that could happen.
00:43:35
Speaker
but feel I feel like there was always like a like like a, like a, please believe or not thing. Or, um you know, just like a trope of stories. Like there's a twilight zone. It's basically like this, kind of like this movie where this woman keeps like seeing this ah ah woman telling her like, we're from one more honey. And then it turns out it's the plane that she's aboard. And then she like doesn't get on the plane and it blows up.
00:43:59
Speaker
Really? So yeah, thiss it's it's that like, premonitions of like, or like, seeing disaster before what happens, and like, not getting not getting on the plane, or not getting on the train, or whatever, but or not going in the building.
00:44:10
Speaker
That I can sort of see. Permanitions of what you think could happen, and your imagination getting the best of you. that That's like, one of those pseudosciences where it could be real, it couldn't be. Sometimes it's just your natural instinct of surveying danger.
00:44:27
Speaker
I think there was there's ah there was one famous one, i think it was Ripley's Beaver not, or then like some other places to add it to where there was this like choir group and they all, all of them just like, but coincidentally all just didn't show up this one night. And then like the the church, they were like rehearsing like blew up, but it's like, they all had like a weird feeling or like they got sick or they like their car broke down. It's like, it's like none of them showed, none of them like showed up to get blown up.
00:44:56
Speaker
So, Yeah, that actually like that that actually happened. like people does like It was like 20 coincidences of like all these people like didn't show up to this one one place and then they all avoided disaster. Sometimes it's just pure luck.
00:45:10
Speaker
A lot of times it's just luck.
00:45:14
Speaker
And sometimes you you constantly see clues of like in leaves or ah throwing a penthouse into a fan. Yeah.
00:45:23
Speaker
So, that was one strong-ass fan. It destroyed a magazine. I don't know how many fans you have that can do that, but mine don't. I don't even know how it, because it had like the belt casing over it, so it how did it even get to the blades?
00:45:42
Speaker
No idea, man. the yeah The whole thing got shredded. Just made like confetti.
00:45:50
Speaker
And then Quincellate just gives him like the one page that says TOD on it for Todd.
00:45:59
Speaker
I'm trying to remember, I think some of the like other main characters in like the other movies, like they also get clues. I think in 3, they took pictures, and then they the pictures give them like clues of like how they're going to possibly.
00:46:11
Speaker
it was like Polaroids. Yeah. it it was like ah It was like say, she's, and die. yeah. yeah
00:46:20
Speaker
Yeah, this first one is just like, yeah, like, Alex keeps having, like, he gets, like, visions, like, um right right after, like, the group, like, the foursome gets together. um They're in the car, and he's, like, and, like, Carter's, like, freaking out. It's just like, well, if I'm gonna die, I'm gonna kill all of us.
00:46:37
Speaker
yeah I'm gonna choose when I die. But then Alex, he sees the vision of the train in the window. but Okay, so that's what I was missing in this, was the premonition, or or like the... I guess the foreshadow death thing.
00:46:56
Speaker
it It's just more premonition, but the first two, none of that was it. you know It's sort of like, who dies next, but not by how yet.
00:47:06
Speaker
I think in the later series, they do a better job of doing both. Yeah, because the the Todd clue doesn't give him any and indication that Todd's going to get strangled by a shower. mean, the evil owl that shows up doesn't tell him?
00:47:19
Speaker
Yeah. What's up with that? i was reading The trivia is like owls are like ah like so like kind of like herbages of death and stuff, too. it's like There's a lot of like folklore, kind of like, ah this means death, or like this could mean death to some people.
00:47:36
Speaker
But like he sees like the flaming... The guy is like rarely burning leaves. And then that is the clue to like like that Mrs. Luton is going to die in like a fire.
00:47:47
Speaker
Which, a fire is like the least of her worries, but that is part of it.
00:47:54
Speaker
yeah In the car the car, he sees like a tracy's like ah ah like a vision of the train, and he sees like the ah the broken seatbelts.
00:48:02
Speaker
And then, yeah, they and they they get to like ah like a train crossing, and then they all get out, and Carter's like, yeah, see, it's not my time to die, man. and then But then like his car won't start, you kick't get out of the car.
00:48:15
Speaker
I like that they really do milk the the tension with him, because he just doesn't believe what's going on. I love early in the movie where he's just like, I'm never going to die, man. It's like, yeah, you are. that why they hate him? Is he like that?
00:48:29
Speaker
Like, besides this, throughout the school year, he's like, I'm awesome! i You know, he's just like a dude bro. i He's like an environmentally aware dude bro. I feel like, is he, did you just say he was like rich? Was he like a rich douchebag?
00:48:45
Speaker
He's confusing, because he's such a, like, Long Island trash person, I guess. But... He's definitely a jock. He's a jock, but he doesn't bully anyone else for not being a jock.
00:48:59
Speaker
And then... He just has this stereotypical jock... Like, he would be a frat bro. Like, you he's evolving into f frat bro. But he's not drunk.
00:49:11
Speaker
He's not partying during this time. He's not making fun of the situation of, like, them, like, what happened on the incident of the plane. He's just shocked and just trying to live his life. But then all the things around him that are just unexplained, he's just sort of scared.
00:49:25
Speaker
And that's, like, reasonable.
00:49:29
Speaker
So it's hard to knock him down because he didn't say, he didn't turn to the group and was just like, I hope you all die like the other girl. Yeah.
00:49:39
Speaker
At that point, you you cheer about the movie of her like getting killed. This one, it's hard to justify that. He just doesn't believe that Alex can see all these things that's happening or like that he's not somehow involved in everything.
00:49:57
Speaker
and Clearly, he saw the teacher's house explode. Even though, weird that was Sean William Scott going to do it? Was he going to try to kill her? What's going on? Why did he bike through her house? yeah think I think he just bikes around town just randomly. That's his whole thing. He's the town stalker, like there the voyeur.
00:50:18
Speaker
But yeah, Alex may just save Carter and then Um, so it's like, oh, he saved him. He follows Death's plan, but then, um there's like a jagged like a jagged piece of the shrep like the car is under the train that flies off and, like, capsize John William Scott.
00:50:35
Speaker
But that, it's the easiest kill in the movie. Yeah, I feel like there should have been a little bit more to that one, maybe. i think it would have been hilarious if he avoids that one train, but then another train gets him.
00:50:49
Speaker
Mm-hmm. That should have been thing. He's like ranting, but then they're like, oh god, the train. He's like, what? I'm fine. And then it's like another train from the other track gets him. Yeah, I think that's the thing about this first one is that like some of the deaths are like a little bit too simple or not fully... They're not quite where they need to be for where the rest the series gets to.
00:51:12
Speaker
also feel like Death didn't do that one. That was just... what was going to happen. This piece of metal flying. Yeah. It wasn't like the the piece of metal was like something else. You know, it wasn't, it wasn't, um, debris from just the, like a can on the road.
00:51:31
Speaker
That was from the car that just got reamed right there. And everyone's talking right next to the wreckage as if it's like normal. Or was that discipline all along is to use the car, set up the car in the tracks, have it,
00:51:44
Speaker
smash and then... Although I guess i guess i mean Carter was supposed to get killed and then there's this whole thing of like, well, he got skipped like because they saved him, it skips over him and then it goes to the next person.
00:51:57
Speaker
Which was conveniently killed by this piece of jagged metal. I don't know. That one, again, is scary to me um just because that's just like, this could happen when you have loose debris near a train.
00:52:14
Speaker
Yeah, just stay away from trains. Yeah. Okay, um this is a little tangent. But any town that has a train crossing, there's always a weird story, a sad story about people being killed by trains there.
00:52:27
Speaker
And it's usually like unintentionally. Like some people just aren't paying attention as they're walking or on the like lately it's be a lot of people and on their phone. And they're just like trying to cross train tracks and they're just not caring or listening to music or something.
00:52:42
Speaker
So I think ever since then, they've been putting a lot of measures to put like barriers so you can't just get in there. But then people complain about like, you know, the aesthetics and why is there a wall here now? And I can't see you over this fence.
00:52:55
Speaker
It's like those dumb idiots like Sean William Scott, like rant right next to a train.
00:53:06
Speaker
I mean, there could just be like a rock on the tracks and that'll fly off and kill you because it's going so fast. Yeah, no, it becomes a projectile. very fast projectile. A train goes, what, like 90 miles an hour times?
00:53:20
Speaker
Yeah, I'm probably faster than So... um Well, I think when it crosses between like certain points where like people are near, like cars are near, it can't go like super fast because of like... If it hits any debris, it just becomes like a bullet.
00:53:35
Speaker
Mm-hmm. However, again, I'm not a train guy. i could be wrong. All I know is fast train, throw anything there, it's coming back at you at speed. Yeah.
00:53:47
Speaker
So I'm not sure about you This is another tangent. um In New York, I remember there was this point where people were throwing like pennies and dimes at the MTA train, the subway. Oh, Because there was like a, okay, hey, ricochet it off the train, and like it would come back faster.
00:54:06
Speaker
It never hurt anyone, per se, but I've seen people do it. like It was like something back in the 2000s. People fucking did this. It was like, ha ha, cool. like So fucking dumb.
00:54:17
Speaker
Well, people used to put like pennies on the tracks, then get it the like yeah s mush it and then you're like, cool, I gotta smash penny. like Yeah, but that's like harmless, like, bumpkin things with trains.
00:54:35
Speaker
But people throwing, like, nickels and and, like, change at the train and just having hit the crowd is, like, so fucking stupid.
00:54:50
Speaker
Anyway, yeah, so after so after someone who's got gets killed... um I feel like this is also like, don't know if this is in any other movies in the series, where Alex, they leave him in Clear's father's cabin, and he rigs it up to be safe.
00:55:09
Speaker
the house He ducts everything, he puts corks on all things, because he thinks he's next, because it skipped Carter, it killed Billy, and then he's next, and it clears the last one.
00:55:22
Speaker
So and yeah so that he's in this cabin and just like... It's kind of funny. We talked about like Stallone last week yelling at the like the tunnel. like you know Alex is looks like in the house like yelling at death. Just like, oh, good one, man. You tried that? Tetanus. That's a good one.
00:55:37
Speaker
i It makes him paranoid. I do like that. and's like He's super aware. it's it it doesn't happen again like that in the series where some of the main characters tries the hole out and then...
00:55:50
Speaker
is like trying to be the safest paranoid person I've ever seen. yeah it's almost like an agoraphoria. Agoraphobia, yeah. Agoraphobia, yeah. it just like, that's what that part of the movie is.
00:56:04
Speaker
Just every, every possible, like, he's eating, like, um... Canned food. ah Canned food with, like, gloves on so he doesn't cut himself on the metal, of and he's eating it with, like, a plastic spoon.
00:56:18
Speaker
Which, I mean, he's thought about it. He's thought about it. He's definitely aware of everything that House going kill him, probably. So he did a good job there. Now, okay. Really dumb.
00:56:30
Speaker
And with this count, if somehow Death was able to contract kill someone, you know, just someone... was like ah photo showed up at someone's desk and just like, kill me. You know what I mean? like Just something stupid where it's like, oh, that counts. That's death and intervening. Just some accidental thing where it's like,
00:56:54
Speaker
Someone gets killed by an accident but professionally because they look similar to their target or like... An anonymous email, that's the Roof Goldberg machine is like anonymous email gets sent to a hitman or something.
00:57:05
Speaker
Yeah. Oh my, I feel like this is another like, if we just tangent a movie where it's like Final Destination 7, but they ran out of ideas completely, so it's just like, the a i like, went rogue and then did this.
00:57:19
Speaker
um They did a TikTok challenge that was about drinking bleach or something. Yeah. but death shows like something on their phone or something but it's like a long long thing where it's a long con where it's like oh they keep constantly getting like recommended to drink bleach and it's like you know think about doing that i'm trying to remember has there been one where like like death like manipulated someone's like gps or something to make them like go in the wrong direction don't I don't know.
00:57:51
Speaker
feel like I feel like that'd be something that's like coming up. It would be a thing where it leads them in the like down like ah the wrong street or something. Or onto a railroad track or something. An active construction site. I don't know. but you i mean like it's just like all right like Once you kind of figure out how to do that and then why is the hard part.
00:58:18
Speaker
I just think once you figure out the final destination formula, we should just do a panel or something where it's like we talk about um we need this to happen.
00:58:31
Speaker
We need to find out why. Someone someone ah
00:58:37
Speaker
someone shaving their legs, but then like then cutting their like they they end up cutting up cutting
00:58:46
Speaker
they're window blinds. you know just And that kills them. Like, okay, let's get to that. And then just the whole like set up the dominoes. ah Speaking of shaving, just to go ahead Todd quick, why does he have like a 1900's single blade razor?
00:59:00
Speaker
No idea. That he like they just me that he like steve instantly cuts himself? He didn't even need to shave anyway. He doesn't even have like any scruff or anything. he doesn't just one touching His first swipe, he cuts himself.
00:59:14
Speaker
I think... um Was he like a hipster? Because he's reading like dark poetry. He has like antique shaving stuff. a Maybe? Yeah.
00:59:27
Speaker
But I don't know. That was such a weird touch. it's like so It's just so um like but right and it's just like so like obvious in the the frame. oh he's got he's got that weird old razor that he justly cuts himself with
00:59:48
Speaker
Which feel like that was maybe another fake out of like, oh, he's going like, actually slice his throat open or something.
00:59:56
Speaker
But he doesn't. It's the free. It's the, it's again, they're, they're, um they still have a lot of the hints at the, what the series is going to be.
01:00:08
Speaker
But yeah, I don't mind that they keep it tight. Like keep it like, just like, like, experimental. Todd is the first one. like It sucks that Todd goes down as the one where it's like he just gets choked out, but it's really like graphic when it gets to that point.
01:00:26
Speaker
and the And again, the teacher is like the better version of that. And that's why when they get to like William Scott, they just, don't know, piece of metal to that.
01:00:38
Speaker
or Or like yeah Carter just being trapped in the car and he would have got hit by car or a train. That would have been kind of I mean, I guess Death was like manipulating the locks and the seatbelt and stuff, but it's still so not quite as elaborate as like other ones.
01:00:56
Speaker
But then you get to like the finale, where ah ah you know Alex realized that because he switched... He didn't switch seats, or because he switched seats, like clear like Clears actually the next one, not him.
01:01:09
Speaker
So then he has to get to Clears' house, and then That whole sequence is like crazy. where like yeah i guess is causing lightning to strike. and ah It's throwing her ah artwork all over place and punctures the pool and there's like water everywhere and a live wire is dropping down.
01:01:32
Speaker
yeah it's another crazy, like, why is this happening? And then like the the entire house is is exploding, basically, with like electricity.
01:01:45
Speaker
I feel like they really saved up... like well guess I guess the teacher's death is pretty like elaborate, but I feel like they saved a lot for like this one. This is like the big over-the-top special effects ah showcase.
01:01:57
Speaker
like We got lightning, we got water, we got we got a dog, we got metal stuff flying everywhere.
01:02:05
Speaker
like the the garage is set on fire because like kerosene gets knocked over and like got gets like hit by the the the electricity.
01:02:17
Speaker
yep I also feel like in this cabin, and it's not meant to like be regulated like an apartment building, so they're just like, I don't know, what's what's holding it together? Tape? It's her house. Xox runs from the cabin to her house.
01:02:34
Speaker
Ah, okay. She says it's pretty close to her house, so there's just like a cabin like across the lake or something. Xox jumps in a boat to get away from the the FBI.
01:02:48
Speaker
and Ideally, the FBI is just like back. It's like, alright, enough people have stacked up. We're definitely investigating the murders now. Well, I think they have... They they definitely think he's like an actual serial killer or killer now because they have a a knife with fingerprints on it and like caramelized or congealed blood with his footprints in it.
01:03:09
Speaker
So like if it like if nothing else, he it's like he killed a teacher and then blew her house up.
01:03:20
Speaker
But yeah, he's got so but he's got to do... like the like Alex has to do... To try to skip Clear, he has to sacrifice himself. And grab the live wire.
01:03:31
Speaker
Which... Wouldn't Clear have... like she does a lot of welding. Wouldn't she have insulated gloves or something? i guess there's Maybe there's not time to like find it, but... i feel like i feel like I'm also surprised like her art didn't try to kill her. Like some metal piece that she had.
01:03:47
Speaker
That like but sculpture that she says it' like represents Alex. like That weird head one. um surprised it wasn't that. That's her art. She had tipped over tried like trapped her or something.
01:04:03
Speaker
But it didn't. It was just like her house. She's in her car and then yeah it's ah everything's on fire.
01:04:11
Speaker
and Yeah, then Alex manages to grab the live wire and then Claire gets out, and then Alex is blown up by an explosion, but then he's is okay? No, it's one of those survivable explosions.
01:04:24
Speaker
after After getting electrocuted.
01:04:31
Speaker
And then, yeah, it's like, fate to white, then... It's of weird, because it kind of implies Alex died, and then heaven is like an airplane tunnel. Well, it's more destination. That's your final destination. See what I mean? They tie it back into the airplane thing, but they only use it for the beginning and end.
01:04:53
Speaker
Yeah. it it would like If he actually died, that would have been weird if like you know he gets on the plane and it's like everyone that was like in the opening hopeful crash is there. or like Everyone dies there. It's like, welcome to the plane, Alex.
01:05:07
Speaker
like It becomes like Titanic when Rose dies and she ends up on the Titanic. Yep. In the heaven of like everyone that died on the Titanic.
01:05:19
Speaker
But no, it's like, but no he's he's actually alive. He survived getting blown up and electrocuted. And then he and Clear and Carter go, finally end up in Paris. They get made they make it to Paris.
01:05:31
Speaker
And then, but then there's there's some weird ah death plan thing where, it like, Death just, like, loops back around and this search tries again, guess. If he gets skipped once, it just tries again, like, next time.
01:05:46
Speaker
Just recharges. Mm-hmm.
01:05:50
Speaker
Which is hilarious, because I guess if someone does another movie, you know, a Final Destination 7, it's just sort of like, not to spoil, I mean, spoil a five, but it keeps on going, just sort of like, okay, was Death busy to another thing?
01:06:10
Speaker
But um mean it's supposed imply that it's another 30 days or something later. it's It's, yeah, sometime, definitely ah quite a bit later, because, like, Clear has, like, Ellie Gleilher's normal hair color. Like, she's just she's blonde again.
01:06:25
Speaker
Like, she's all that, has to fade it. Is it supposed to be, like, a year later? I don't know. Oh, I think it's, Wikipedia says six months. It was six months after, they like, the everything happened.
01:06:40
Speaker
But but it's yeah it's something it's something because Alex was last actually supposed to be the last one, but no one helped like no like no one helped him escape death, so then it's skipped didn't skip him actually or something.
01:06:56
Speaker
ah like it It did skip clear because Alex saved her, but then like no one helped him ah escape death, so then he didn't get skipped. from the yeah So they all had to keep saving each other. What if they keep saving each other? Would then they just delay?
01:07:14
Speaker
i think i think it's like kind of what the first movie sets up. is that yeah You can only like you only delay it by like realizing it's going to happen and stopping it. But eventually like that's going to get you. That's darkly true. Well, because the whole thing at the end is like, um Alex is like, get away from me. I'm i'm next. It's going to kill me. And then but the sign in Paris falls off the building. but then Carter saves Alex from like, ah it's like, or because he's he's about to get, he was getting hit bus, right?
01:07:46
Speaker
Alex. And Carter pulls him on the way. And then he's like, there I did. I had it skip you. So now we're all safe. And then a giant neon sign falls to Carter kills him.
01:07:58
Speaker
Yeah, that one comes up and it just it's so scary because it's sweeping that way and it just cuts the black. Yeah, like I remember seeing as a kid it was like haunted like kind of haunted by that. i'm Like, oh no, what's going to happen? don't think you can survive that.
01:08:11
Speaker
Yeah, what ah there's such an abrupt ending too. It's like, alright.
01:08:17
Speaker
See you in the sequel, maybe. Yeah. but yeah But then you find out, too, that youre like yeah Clear checked herself into a psychiatric ward. Alex got killed by a brick.
01:08:28
Speaker
Was it that same day? We don't know. Maybe.
01:08:35
Speaker
And then like the yeah the the crew of 2 has team up with Clear to figure out what's going on. Which is fine. I don't mind... don't mind Claire's back in the sequel as a thing, but it's not like she takes over the lead. It's it's also not... No, there's really no lead in these movies, it's except for sort of the premonition person, but even then, it's not... like It's cruel that the person with the premonition gets told. it's You know, like there's no... Is Death doing this just to delay? like what Why do people get these premonitions? They never address them.
01:09:09
Speaker
It's been... five movies and they don't say, oh, you have the gif or something. this Is Death just like a challenge? like He just gives one random a person but the ability to see what's going to happen and then it's like, can you stop me?
01:09:23
Speaker
Let's
01:09:26
Speaker
Maybe? That'd be kind of cool, but is Death going to ghostwrite that? like ah like they they always They always say that the person whoever has the permission sees Death's plan and then that's why they they're able to stop it.
01:09:38
Speaker
Hmm.
01:09:41
Speaker
I see. Because death is always behind the scenes manipulating things, but then if you can see if you see the mechanisms it's it's doing, then that's how you can avoid it and or like delay it.
01:09:55
Speaker
i guess Tony Todd is like aware of all that. That's why he can explain everything to everybody.
01:10:05
Speaker
I am glad that Tony Todd ah was able to i think i think he was able to finish all of his things for Bloodlines before he passed away. Did he? didn't know what he was saying. Yeah, he's he's he's in Bloodlines. I think that's his final screen appearance.
01:10:21
Speaker
What a chance for like sticking it out.
01:10:24
Speaker
I'm going to miss that if they ever do another one. but yeah i guess what does yeah It's nice that he's part of the series, but it's the series is kind of more than the Tony Todd part. yeah he's just a fun like He's just a fun cameo of every movie. of just yeah It's Toy Todd, everybody. It's Candyman.
01:10:42
Speaker
I also appreciate that there are other characters. He's the only character that knows what's going on. But and other characters who aren't part of Death's plan, they're rarely doing anything. There's no character that jumps in that isn't part of the crazy Death circle.
01:10:59
Speaker
It would be a different... I can don't know. Is that just bad if they did? If they introduced another character that halfway through the movie, they just he joins or they you know they join and it's just like, oh man, all these people are being knocked off.
01:11:12
Speaker
and But like, they're safe because he's not part of the schedule.
01:11:19
Speaker
Oh, like so someone outside the group that survives is like, hey guys! like Well, he's not, he always survives because he he wasn't part of the original incident. So, just hang around this person. like He gets to go on the crazy adventure, but none of the problem.
01:11:36
Speaker
because that'd be true. If death is... See, this movie implies two things. Death is always a plan. Like, it's in destiny, right? And if it doesn't mess up, like, they'll try, like, double as hard to get you.
01:11:50
Speaker
But then, if your time is not now, like, then you could walk around with, like, extreme confidence in that movie. Because it's like, well, you know, this isn't part of the plan. Let me just keep walking around, like. you know for some weird reason, bullets will, like, go around me, or, like, fire will, like, extinguish, which is because, it's like, that's not part of the plan.
01:12:10
Speaker
I've... There's, um... There's a show called Dirk Diggly, like, Holistic Detective. Mm-hmm. Where the one person realizes that she's destined for something. So like death won't happen to her.
01:12:25
Speaker
So she like does dangerous things because she's like, yeah, no, I'm this isn't how I supposed to die. So like. All these things like happened where like would kill her, but it's just like flicking around her because the probability is like, no, like that's not going to happen.
01:12:40
Speaker
Like someone shoots at her and bullets just like sort of move around her. Like it. It's crazy because it's like, no, that's not, you know, she's aware of like the universe. Mm hmm.
01:12:50
Speaker
It's really cool. like I like that because she's like, she would seem unkillable, but she's not. She's just like, no, this is just destiny. I'm not supposed to do this. So things that would not fail are failing.
01:13:02
Speaker
um But yeah, I would love to see a Final Destination character like that woo who like gets the plan, actively joins a problem, and then just sort of gets to like watch it.
01:13:16
Speaker
But then they they also didn't do the thing where what if you someone else saves someone, like enters in and then does something. now they're part of the circle. i think two sort of does that. When one person saves like some kid, one of the guys saves the kid and then that brings them into the thing.
01:13:32
Speaker
Well, I think two introduced because tony I think Tony Todd is like one of his vague warnings or like and helpful things is it's like yeah new life is the only thing that can stop death. and i think they cause like One of the people that was in the accident was pregnant, so I think it's like, oh, if we save the baby, then we're safe.
01:13:52
Speaker
But then it turns out yeah yeah you have to kill like kill yourself, basically. like you know like I think the main character, like she drowns herself or try to like like kills herself in a way that she can come back, so she like dies and comes back, and then she has new life.
01:14:09
Speaker
Yeah. because she already Because she died. like She's out of death's plan now. And she has new life.
01:14:22
Speaker
Yeah, like definitely like i definitely through a a wrench in it where it's like you can you can like steal people's life like like like lifetimes if you assist them getting killed.
01:14:34
Speaker
Yeah, it... it's a new mechanic and because by five, they kind of wanted a break from the series, which is fine. I do like the twist. I do like the ties back to this, but it just seems like after five did so much of a chaotic everything. And then could you go back to this scale that this is a big break for death, you know?
01:14:57
Speaker
But yeah, let's about wrap this up. Um,
01:15:03
Speaker
I still think this movie like holds up. yeah would um I'm a huge fan of this whole series. like all the movies All of all them are super fun. just like All the crazy elaborate deaths. All the ah the crazy characters that show up. like I i love that each movie has a totally new crew of like characters that get into horrific situations.
01:15:23
Speaker
I do i and do enjoy that, too. I do like that their understanding of what's going on, they're aware, and it's not like it continues from someone explaining it from a news article immediately.
01:15:37
Speaker
It builds, and even when they do you discover that there was an incident like this before, they have to deal with it their own way. Mm-hmm. And because this is the first movie, chronologically, I guess, in the premiere-wise, premise-wise, Devin Sawa just has to guess.
01:15:53
Speaker
He just says, I think this is what happens, blah, blah, blah. Like, we just have to do this, and we'll go from there. We just have to... do our best to survive. Does he have books about premonitions? Because credits look like a David Fincher movie at 7 or something, where it's just flipping through they these old like gothic books, but then it's also i bet they it's supposed to be like Alex's room.
01:16:18
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So he was already like and like looking into premonitions and stuff before this all happened.
01:16:26
Speaker
Yes, I guess I was kind of and and afterwards. He's like, he just like has like tons of books about air disasters and like explosions and like engineering.
01:16:40
Speaker
gets it's very like it obsessed with topics. Apparently. Well, once once you kind of brush off death, I guess everyone just kind of looks into like that.
01:16:50
Speaker
I bet you a lot of people after this movie, it has to be like a Final Destination phenomenon thing where people like definitely got more paranoid, definitely started looking into things, definitely tried to look into dreams they were having.
01:17:06
Speaker
Just be more aware of like things around your house that you could like slip and impale yourself on. I mean, that's literally how do you baby-proof the place. Yep.
01:17:18
Speaker
But yeah, super super fun franchise. The first movie, yeah. like not like All the pieces are in place that just kind of like didn't fully gel all the way. i think Two is definitely when Final Destination becomes Final Destination.
01:17:33
Speaker
And then it just goes from there. And ah super definitely super excited for Bloodline. So for that like it kind of like is a another solid entry in the franchise.
01:17:45
Speaker
Did you see the teaser trailer for that, Chris? Yeah. I think it gives away too much, though. I'm trying to remember... Was it the fan? Yeah, I'm trying to remember if they said that was in the movie or that was just like a... That was just for the trailer, like a sequence just for the trailer.
01:18:04
Speaker
I don't know. I feel like if it's in the movie, that's giving away that. can go get popcorn during during that scene.
Unique Movie Trailers and Innovative Concepts
01:18:10
Speaker
yeah i want to speak with If it's a one-off trailer thing, I like that.
01:18:15
Speaker
I miss when movies used to do... like something in the universe but isn't in the movie. Yeah, just like ah like ah it's like a trailer exclusive. like it's it's you'll never It's not in the movie. It's just a character talking to you the the trailer. It's like a prequel scene or something.
01:18:35
Speaker
Or it's even the narrator but then the narrator gets killed. Mm-hmm.
Final Fantasy Station Marathon Plans?
01:18:45
Speaker
But yeah, definitely check out Final Fantasy Station I haven't seen in a while. I think they're all on Macs. So I'm i'm definitely, sometime before May, I'm just thinking I'll do some sort of marathon, like marathon the rest of the series. I haven't seen some of them in a while.
01:18:59
Speaker
haven't seen two and four and five in a while. think I saw them like one time and i that was it.
Memorable Movie Theater Experiences
01:19:08
Speaker
But I think one, two, and three I've watched a lot. Like watch that from high school and college. Mm-hmm. I think 4 was in theaters when I worked at the movie theater. So I saw like the heads of the like the opening bridge sequence like, I don't know, 30 times. because like It was always when when I was like doing like the rounds, going around check theaters, it was always that scene.
01:19:31
Speaker
like Oh, the bridge bridge is collapsing again. Okay.
Idea for 'Saved by the Bell' Horror Movie
01:19:37
Speaker
and And I just remember too, like yeah Miles Fisher was in that one. i just remember like they they did like the crazy, um he did that like saved by the bell slash found destination music video for a song.
01:19:47
Speaker
So cool.
01:19:50
Speaker
But I mean, I just kind of want to save by the bell, like horror movie now.
01:19:57
Speaker
standalone. maybe Maybe when the, ah if it goes public domain, they'll make one of those stupid like, uh, Steamboat Willie. It's like, saved by the, don't know.
01:20:10
Speaker
Saved by the hell. Saved by the hell. There you go. There you go. One second idea. Someone do it.
Upcoming Podcast and Reviews Preview
01:20:20
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Alright, so I think that'll do it for this week's show. um Definitely come back next week. It's be a big one. We're celebrating the 35th anniversary of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, the original live-action movie. It came out in March 1990, we're to dive into all all the awesome stuff about that movie next week.
01:20:38
Speaker
And i think I think next week too, keep it out for our ah March commentary, we did Kraven the Hunter. So you can listen to that, ah watch Kraven along with us.
01:20:49
Speaker
And um all the other regular features and trailers, reviews. I got a review of Novocaine up on the site right now. Actually, Novocaine and The Electric State, if you want to read my reviews, both those movies that just came out ah that's up on the site.
01:21:04
Speaker
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