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160: Lost Cities That Time Forgot
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Hey, Cryptic Cuties, let's take a trip together to some abandoned places of the world. Tales of wealthy towns that prospered and grew but were ultimately left or destroyed. Sometimes we don't even really know, leaving more of an air of mystery.
Kelsey takes us to India, and the ruins of Hampi, including impressive structures like the Hemakuta Hill Temple and the Lotus Mahal. Sounds as good as it looks, honestly.
On the other side of the world, we head with Alanna back to Pirate territory, and the Jamaican town known as Port Royal. This city had quite a mecca of gambling, rum, women, privateers and a pirate named Jack (and a Captain named Morgan!) Until it met it's dreadful end. And it's other end as they sang, "never shall we die", we hope. Yar mateys!
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Introduction and Tangents
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Welcome to Castles and Cryptids, where the Castles are haunted and the Cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. And I'm Kelsey. And we are tangenting about movies and stuff before we start. Yeah.
Movie Reviews and Spooky Season
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So we'll see how we keep a ah lid on that. But just know that o we're probably going to review some on Patreon. That's what you should know. That's all you need to
Weather and Work-Life Balance
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know.
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yeah yeah we'll break down some of the newer ones we've watched and uh oh i've seen some good ones too okay yeah i've been trying to watch a few of the newer horror movies that have shown up on streaming because it's spooky season it sort of is um it was a beautiful day here today where it's like just like you're like oh summer's kind of going but it's got that perfect just nice air that's just a tiny bit crisp it's just like
00:01:01
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Why did we have to be at work? Yeah, it was pretty nice out. Yeah. um Meanwhile, or like Southern American podcast friends, I'm always hearing them be like, it's bloody hot still. Why do we live here? It's like, I don't know, 100 degrees and American degrees or whatever. But Like, well, you live in Texas. It'll be fucking freezing here in like another month or two. So I'm trying to enjoy it when it lasts.
Podcasting Challenges and Listener Interaction
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Right? Absolutely.
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Yeah. Spooky season. Yeah. This one's coming out on the 20th. So we're like well into Sheptemba. Yeah. Struggling through September.
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You guys are all doing well, but it's, I don't know. We've just been like, yeah, we've been trying to get things done and, you know, keep our recording on schedule and all that stuff. And sometimes it's tough as you guys know, but they'll stuck through us, through us? With us? I don't know why you were trying to say.
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I don't know. Thank you for the nice compliments we got on Good Pods. I was telling Kelsey we got a nice comment by Death by DVD who clearly also likes horror movies and he said he loves our longer episodes so that was really nice. We would yeah i want to thank you and shout you out.
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We're glad someone does.
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But we did have to shorten a couple. cup yeah Yeah, they aren't always fun to edit. We're just like, Oh God, why? Why'd we do this? sort know Every week, it's not always like in our control. It's like, yeah try to put out the whole thing and then I'll have trouble editing or whatever it
Exploring Hampi, India
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happens to be. And then you're like, well crap, good thing we talked for two hours. I'll put out one of them. Right.
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Oh, my God. Mine's not too crazy long. It's only like six pages, including sources. What? Yeah, mine's on the shorter side. Yeah, it shouldn't be too bad. I mean, these are going to be bad because we're talking about abandoned towns, so we know what's going to be. Something horrible happened, right?
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uh mine isn't that or yeah half mine isn't that bad okay well that should be maybe a nice balance then yeah i'm excited i don't think i remember what you told me other than yours might be somewhere in india and that's all i know to know we're not covering the same case yeah right that was the only thing i wanted to tell you Well that's fair. I think this one I ran across when we were doing this the ah last time it showed up i on one of the lists and when I was I think I had done a few places last time and I ran across this one I was like no this one has to be like its own I can't do this with like here's three places and this is one of them because it's just a bit too long for that so. Oh really okay was that when we did like yeah we did a few ghost towns and some of them were like
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more of the Western one, but you also did the one where they had the rows of like Cinderella looking Disney green ones too, didn't you? I'm pretty sure that's when I ran across this one. Excuse me. Okay, nice, nice. Yeah. I like that it carried on into a new episode because, yeah, sometimes she's making good topics. Yeah, I wrote down the name and was like, revisit this. Next time we do abandon or need an idea.
00:04:56
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ah right yeah i love ghosts but don't get me wrong ghost towns are like they can be very different whereas ghosts do sometimes just do the same old cold spots pull your hair touchy touchy yeah yeah these are always interesting i find yeah this one um this one's just abandoned it's not haunted or anything like that but right right right fair yeah yeah yeah me too i think
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ah But this is Hampi, India. and If you've ever heard of it, I have not heard of it. on No, sadly, we don't hear too much about specific things that go on in India and our news. No, but this please like If I ever had a chance to travel to India, I think it would be, it's a little hard to get to, but I feel like it would definitely be worth it based on the pictures I saw. It looks amazing. If I was in India, I'd be going anywhere where there were the least amount of people. This one I think would be pretty good. It's pretty out of the way. I think some places said it's like o eight hours or something between different modes of transportation to get here from like the nearest
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area. um yeah that's a correct It can be pretty secure secluded, but it seems like it's worth it.
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Yeah, I do have pictures on the drive for you because it's, oh, this place is beautiful. I love it. Damn, I should open the drive then. Yeah. Hampi was the last capital of the Hindu kingdom of, I'm gonna butcher this, I'm sorry, Vijayanayagar.
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Uh, there's so many syllables. You're bound to get some wrong. Yeah. It's located in Southern India and it means city of victory. Uh, it was the, yeah. So Hampi was the capital of the kingdom of Vijayanayagar from 1336 to 1565. Um, and it ruled over like Southern India, um, all those years.
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1300s to 1600s is that what you said? 1336 to 1565 so what 200 and or just under 230 years damn yeah um it's an area it's very big it's about 9 900 acres of what's described as like boulder strewn valley uh and throughout this 9,000 or almost 10,000 acres. There's over 1,600 ancient structures that are mostly untouched um from temples, shrines, palaces. There's gateways, towers to stables and like waterways, canals, all this. It's like a whole entire, um like it was a capital city. It was very like thriving at the time.
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wow that's like a lot of infrastructure yeah it's pretty crazy um looking at it um how well it's maintained i think because of the secluded area it's in like it's still in pretty great condition for what it is yeah just the one i saw did look like full-on like Roman Colosseum, but better. Absolutely. Yep. Yeah. It was a sacred place even before it became the capital, um with all these temples lining the banks of the Tonga Bahadra River.
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um Yeah, but by the 1500s, it was the second largest city in the world, actually, with a population of about 250,000. So it was the second biggest city in the world. um The only one that was bigger than it. 250,000? Okay. Yeah. um The only one that was bigger than it was actually Beijing at the time.
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I grew up
Hampi's Architectural and Cultural Significance
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in a capital city and it was like 50,000, I think. Yeah, but for 1500, like the year 1500. Yeah, no, that's insane. I'm saying and that dwarfs my my hometown now. I'm like, whoa.
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it was um So even though Beijing, I guess, was number one for population, um this instead was considered the richest and one of the most powerful um in the world instead of Beijing. um And it attracted had attracted a whole bunch of traders from Persia and Portugal that would come. Damn.
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okay some similarities here to uh what i'm gonna talk about and okay i know they're been thriving look at it go right um the city was kind of um damaged some of the buildings um there was a battle of talicota um and then a little on That same year, a little later, ah the city was conquered by a group of sultanates known as the Deacon Confederacy. And then it was pillaged over like the next six months. And then it was abandoned pretty soon after.
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yeah wow i just violated her and then left her there that's really yeah i was like pillaged for six months like just how is there anything left yeah yeah holy Can't pillage that village any anymore. No. There is apparently, according to Hindu mythology, the region was once a monkey kingdom. i And the monkeys that roam the area today are said to be their descendants of like the monkeys that were there. Royal monkeys. Like deities, they said. Which I think is kind of cool, because a lot of the pictures, especially when there aren't necessarily like people
00:11:46
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Around, there's a lot of monkeys. Oh, I love that. Yeah. There's a lot on the monkeys. What is that from Aladdin? We want the monkeys. I can't remember. There's a lot of cute pictures of like sunrise and sunset with like the monkeys just chilling. Oh, yeah. I love monkeys. Architecture man too is crazy.
00:12:12
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Yeah, that's why I wanted to cover it. The pictures, it's mostly the pictures for this one. It's just beautiful. What do the monkeys be hanging out there? I know I would.
00:12:25
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I feel like someone should. So getting into some of the buildings, um these are, of course I said there's like 1600 structures. So um these are just a handful or like kind of a dozen maybe of the most popular um to look at.
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The Virapasha temple was founded in the 17th century, and it's actually the oldest functioning temple in India, which is pretty cool. okay Yeah, it's but it's still functional. people still um There's a number of the temples that people still go to and on an almost daily basis.
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Okay yeah yeah yeah so I was like I guess they could yeah because it's still you can still go in there so that's still yeah like the buildings as far as I could tell they talked about a couple that might not be structurally sound um But for the most part, they're fine for how crazy old they are. dale um So this specific temple, it was dedicated to Lord Shiva, um and the temple has these intricate carvings and towering gopurams,
00:13:48
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which are entrance towers. it's like kind of, I don't know, it always, first time I saw it, it looked very like Aztec um to me, like the kind of just like pointed. Yeah, but they have that on the entrance and then you like walk under and like through it kind of.
00:14:09
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Right. Of the more than 500 temples in the area, the Vijay Bittahala Temple is the more is one of the most ornate. It has a combination of massive size with almost every surface decorated with minutely detailed carvings into the stones. Wow. Which a lot of the buildings have, especially the temples.
00:14:39
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It's crazy what we find in architectural sites with all the different stonework and things. yeah i mean Whether it was aliens and us or us, it's insanely you know impressive.
00:14:58
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Yeah, this was like pretty striking. like I don't really know how they... I'm fascinated with how they were doing those in like 1300s. And they're always dragon stones from everywhere to build these things too. Yeah. Crazy. There's inscriptions and figures showing the exploits of gods and mythological heroes. And the Vitahala temple complex, most of them are referred to as a complex because it kind of has like outer walls and then like inner kind of smaller structures as well. Oh yeah.
00:15:33
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um This one includes an and interior courtyard with three ceremonial entrances surrounded by cloistered walkways. So it's like intricate, it gets like smaller and smaller. Oh, cloistered. Yeah, I was like, everything's covered walkways.
00:15:56
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um Another popular attraction is the immense stone shrine um that's inside that temple complex, the Vitala temple complex. It's carved to resemble a chariot ah that's being pulled by two small stone elephants. It's actually really cool.
00:16:15
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Yeah. um The chariot in proportion to the elephants. The elephants look like baby elephants. And then the chariot is like 10 times the size of the elephants. so Nice. Yeah. That's so cool, though. like I love looking at all the stone carvings and stuff. It's just like, ah. Yeah. Oh, I see one. Yeah, you have one called chariot. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, very big chariot. Yes. Yeah. In proportion to those little elephants.
00:16:45
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and like a two-story chariot where the elephants are like the size of the wheels yeah those poor little guys you need like a dog sled worth of Oh yes! The mushers! Yeah, so this chariot, it honors Garuda, the mount of Lord Vishnu. And Lord Vishnu was the king of the birds. And the shrine was probably once topped with an idol of Garuda, which would be like a bird-like form.
00:17:27
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um but they think that was lost at some point, maybe during battle. Vishnu does sound familiar. Possibly only because of Apu on the Simpsons, but I hope not. maybe Maybe I knew him from somewhere else. Oh dear. um I've heard of a few things. yeah We're not totally ignorant of all other culture's gods, I hope. Also, Indian weddings look really fun.
00:17:54
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We just say it. We gotta get more color guys. Here in Canada and US are our weddings. They'll be like, we can only allow three colors, white. Nobody's riding in on an elephant. That's for sure. Yeah, no, a lot of other places weddings are just like all every color you can imagine and everything's so colorful. and Yeah, I feel like it's not the same. Yeah, that's weird. I didn't think there was like a dampening on the colors, but I know everyone has their specific tastes, that's for sure. Yeah, I feel like the color scheme of like decorations, at least that are chosen for the wedding partner, are like, oh, it's like three colors. Right. And no gold. Where the hell is all the gold? Yeah, yeah definitely not as much.
00:18:46
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um A really cool thing about the Chariot is that um they discovered that um from what they can tell, I don't know, maybe it's like markings and stuff that the large granite wheels of the Chariot actually used to be able to roll and like turn. um So it may have like, I don't know if it was still stationary and you could just move the wheels or if like the whole thing was moved at some point, but I guess they can tell based on like where or inside somewhere that yeah the wheels used to turn. Oh my god, they were like, oh, sweet chariot alone. yeah
00:19:29
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That's crazy. um Old wagons are joggly enough. I don't know about the stone wheels. You lose a wheel. um ah It's nice at King's Landing now where my mom works there.
00:19:45
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They have the old wagons are still pulled by the horses, but they have nice rubber tires and the wheels. They're actually quite a bit smoother than the old wagons were because they'll carry like 20 people and the people are tired from walking around the site all day. And it was really cute this year. We noticed this one wagon driver.
00:20:03
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I think it was a female. She had her little dog, this like German Shepherd looking thing, and he sat on the wagon seat beside her and rode around with her all day. I was like, that's cute. That's a loyal dog. Yeah.
00:20:19
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Anyway, there's a... um Oh, this is the same complex as sir where the Chariot is. There's a pavilion with it ah with an interior platform that is used for religious ceremonies. um it's part of the calm or um It's part of the complex and the pavilion has like 56 pillars um that I believe are also like decorated and stuff.
00:20:47
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Crazy. none I should have tried to find a video or something of this but the site is also known as for its musical pillars um that produce melodious sounds when tapped. So like, there's crazy shit going on.
00:21:07
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like oh that's so cool i honestly forgot about the whispering gallery where they yeah can hear it in the different corners of it or whatever you can hear your yeah one tap like oh shoot i should have tried to find i'll i'll put it on the website i'll try and find a video i forgot i honestly forgot about that until just now it's like yeah that's weird i wonder if it's like a what do you tap a wine glass or you you run your finger around the rim of the wine glass i think you can do both thank you yeah Um, yeah, I'm not sure, but it says like tap. So I don't know if they, it's like how intentional it is. I guess it depends. Uh, maybe there's, there's probably videos I can, I'll try and find a good one. They just start tapping stuff and it just starts ringing. Yeah. Like supposedly the way they like tapped the not tapped, but like.
00:21:59
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Whatever. hit They did that at the the moon and they said the moon made like a gong, gong, gong kind of
Personal Anecdotes and Travel Stories
00:22:05
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sound. And they were like, is the moon hollow? I think this was on Ancient Aliens, so I haven't independently verified it, but it could be crazy. You haven't gone to the moon yourself and tapped me?
00:22:19
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Don't take this as fact, people. um I have a tiny bit about some of the other places. There is Akka Yuta Reyo Temple, ah built in 1534. It's dedicated to a form of the god Vishnu, and it's also known for being one of the largest and most intricate.
00:22:43
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um There's Himakuta Hill Temple um that sits on top of Himakuta Hill and it's also a complex that offers very stunning panoramic views of the Hampi landscape.
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And this hill is apparently adorned with shrines and surrounded by natural beauty like so there's a lot of trees and everything, because it's ah like a beautiful valley that all of this is sitting in so there's a lot of nature everywhere to look at. That's so cool.
00:23:21
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Yeah. There's the Gagan Mahal or Sky Palace. It's a massive central dome that rises above the landscape. it sky mall It's Skymall.
00:23:36
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It's got a palace. The palace was the residence of the royal family and offers a panoramic view of the entire city. It also has like intricate carvings and a lot of architectural details. Yeah. The one that I saw. family Right. ah the The cool one that I was looking at, it was like almost looks like a ah pit.
00:24:05
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Well, a pit is not very accurate, but like oh the stone steps going so inward in a that seems circular fashion. yeah Yeah, I didn't really find another picture of that. I think that was like the public one of the public bathing holes.
00:24:27
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Yeah, yeah, it looked like it could have been a pool in the middle. So that would make sense. But just it's like, all very like crazy symmetrical all of it. Yeah, like stone bleachers almost. Yeah, it's hard to describe. And they had this little patterns in them. I'm like, this is very intricate. Yeah, it looks like something crazy out of life.
00:24:49
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Some movie. You're just like, oh, and you know, they didn't have to build some of that stuff for no. um Yeah. Structural purposes. Like it's like, no, it's made to look beautiful and also be functional or whatever. Yeah. ah There's a royal enclosure um that was the kingdom seat of power in Hampai. It contains the lavish Lotus Mahal or Kamal Mahal.
00:25:17
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And it's a structure with an unknown function, but features intricately carved arches. like don't for sure know what it was built for, but it looks pretty cool. um It's designed to resemble a lotus flower with a lot of details and arched windows. um One theory does suggest that it served as an exclusive chat room for women of the royal family. Kind of looks like a pergola or like gazebo type thing, but
00:25:50
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yield ancient chat room? Yeah, like honestly, because there's no walls, it's just pillars and it's just open. um So I don't know how that was exclusive.
00:26:02
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but different open pillars, making these different archways, and then almost like a little roof on the middle story. Yeah, I can see how it looks. So apparently it- Pedals. If you look at a bunch of different pictures of it, you can kind of get like, okay, from different angles, it does look like a lotus a bit, like a flower. Yeah, totally.
00:26:27
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There's ah similar architectural lines that are found at this building are found in the Royal Elephant Stables, um which I also had a picture of. It's a row of 11. Everything is so fancy. I know, right? This one's crazy. It has like its own courtyard.
00:26:44
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Uh, with like it's like, this can't be the elephant stables. Oh, nope. That's what she's talking about. Yeah, that's what, um, yeah. it So the elephant stables is a row of 11 magnificent dome chambers that each held one elephant. Uh, it was once like the elephants were commonly used for ceremonies and parades and stuff. So it talked about how.
00:27:05
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Oh, you could tell like how important the ceremonies and parades were to this kingdom because they had 11 elephants and they look at what they were housed in. like Exactly. It's a show of wealth. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, it's intense. They went hard in everything. Well, and like architecture today, they'll try and replicate, you know, it's like you get the Sydney Opera House and other famous ones, we're like, Oh, it's supposed to look like sales or whatever. But that's tough to achieve even with modern construction materials. So yeah, right. Yeah, they're like, they're so inventive.
00:27:39
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Some of them I was looking at it and just going how how did you do this with like a chisel and hammer presumably like totally hours on hours yeah and how many how how did you have this many skilled like flavors yeah ah not just like building it but doing all these carvings it would have been like thousands of people if i don't get like i know they a lot of the buildings like it's 1600 structures they were built over 230 years
00:28:11
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like of time but still like to look so far to the future and be like no no we'll keep building this even though like maybe we can't feed ourselves now like I don't know but you know what I mean though it's yeah Um, yeah, there's also a building called the Queen's Bath. ah There was a royal bathing complex. so It's surrounded by verandas and it's at arcades. I don't know what they mean in this, maybe I like hallways and stuff. It features elegant designs and intricate carvings on the walls. um But it also kind of has the steps down. So you can tell, I think the water level would have been higher here. There's like
00:28:51
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different steps. And then again, just like all the water would have been in the middle. Oh, huge. Like even bigger than Harry Potter's bathroom and the the prefix bathroom. Yeah, it's sort of filling up that pool. Yeah. Yeah, like... Oh my gosh. It's huge when you see pictures, some of the pictures that have people. There's crazy dart ways with their little points and stuff. oh ah When you have little you you have pictures of like people standing in some of those archways, you're like, that is a ginormous building and that was just, oh, that's just the tub. That's the building for the tub. Yeah, the one with the little carvings of the people on and on and on and different layers. Yeah, that was one of the temples.
00:29:39
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it's Yeah, like how did they do that shit? There's hardly any solid stone left. It's all 100% carving. It's like... Just to say they could. Right? Just to show off and like look at us.
00:29:53
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um We don't have much to do back then, but this is our content creation. um Yeah, so I kind of mentioned that the area is also known for its unusual natural beauty, um most of the stone used. No, Sorry. I thought that Mike might have picked up that latin last noise, that's all.
00:30:17
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and look So um there most of the stone in the area is granite. It's like very heavy. There's granite hills around. um And these hills in the area are some of the oldest exposed surfaces on Earth, I guess.
00:30:37
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wow okay yeah um over millions of years the huge granite monoliths have been eroded to form smaller hills appearing as stacked boulders um there's people that are called boulderers um or people who like to climb boulders like natural boulders um they consider a lot of the hills in this area as the ultimate challenge um so there's kind of some cool pictures you can find online of people like Looks like they're like fucking parkouring up the sides of these, because some of them are really tall. Spheres of rock? Oh my god. Yeah, and you're just like, wow, like, you're like Spider-Man. Right. It's cool. I'll just find a handhold.
00:31:21
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okay yeah um buddy There's a Matanga hill um that also offers another panoramic view of this city. It's a popular spot at both sunrise and sunset.
00:31:37
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And I think it's one of the spots. sunset It's like, I think one of the places I saw pictures of monkeys at there too. Oh, the monkeys, the monkeys that come and steal your sandwich everywhere in Asia. Now these are like, like, they're not like what they talk about bam boons and... Oh, baboons.
00:32:01
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bonova was like i don't know I don't know. Other monkeys that might be like more aggressive, these ones they didn't really say there's any dangers if they get close to you or anything like that, but they do seem to kind of yeah not go up to people necessarily.
00:32:16
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OK, that might just be certain areas. Like, I can't remember if it's like places in like Thailand and whatnot where they've just been like fed by so many like tourists. They're like, hello, let me get in your car. Yeah, I I would like I'd like to place an order. Can you get me? OK, but there is this really cute place in Quebec.
00:32:40
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back Whatever, it's close enough to I think we went there when we were visiting Ottawa last time. the Park per Omega and they that's where you you could drive your car around and then it's like a little wildlife center where they're kind of roaming free and then they can come up to where the cars drive and the like a moose can come and like stick its head in or ah probably more like deer I don't think there were a lot of moose because those are fucking huge but yeah that can tear your car to your door yeah but you like feed them like carrots or like your windows and stuff that was really fun it's like a Canadian Safari yeah that'd be cool it was yeah they're like let me chew on your
00:33:22
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side mirror you're like nope no thanks yeah um yeah yeah so they um that river a that river i talked about the tanga bahadra River where a lot of the temples are like lining the river. That's really popular river to go boating down. um They say like it's a nice way to tour without having to walk like the 10,000 acres
00:33:54
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uh and it's a nice they're all about the cruises yeah right ketchup see see a lot of the temples that kind of stuff maybe not as detailed but get to see a lot of the area um there's also a lot of walking paths along the banks of the river and they've set up cute little spots for picnics um and everything they said it's pretty easy easy walking i don't think it's paved but um it's not like walking Um, like man, just like you, this has been walked 10,000 times. So the grass is just gone. Like, I think they've kind of leveled it out. Yeah.
00:34:32
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And it's kind of cool. I was trying to figure it out, but apparently across the river on the other side from this is something called Hippie Island.
00:34:44
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um It's popular and a favorite spot among a bunch of travelers. It's more like modern, um a lot more modern. It has a bunch of like cute little cafes and guest houses that people can stay in.
00:35:00
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There's also a thing called the Happy Bazaar. It's located nearby and has a bunch of shopping restaurants. um There's people selling a bazaar like B-A-Z-A-A-R. Yeah, a bazaar like in Star Wars. And they also sell like handmade crafts, clothing, and then spices because it's India. They love flavor. I love the hippie. What was it called? The hippie island. It's called hippie island. No, I love that. We used to work with a lady. I don't know if you remember. um
00:35:38
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at her old office. She worked at like the reception and her name was Judy and she had long curly hair and she like always call herself like she I did she self identified as an older hippie. let's just yeah So that I remember when I hear that. yeah When I looked up hippie Island, I I saw a lot of dirt and, I don't know, rundown kind of stuff. I was trying to get a good picture for it. Bare feet. Well, I don't know. I didn't even necessarily see a lot of what they talk about here, like the cafes, places to stay.
00:36:18
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wow And then shops, restaurants, any of that kind of stuff. Didn't really see that in any of the pictures, so no, no, no. um But yeah, I think it looks really cool for the pictures. Last little bit. The ancient city was actually designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site in 1986.
00:36:45
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So it is like protected. There's like people um working to protect it now and then make sure it's safe and that kind of stuff. Yeah those are different places we learned about in travel, the travel travel program where they're like Yeah. The United Nations wants to preserve them because they're like historical. or They said it's very, very important. The ancient ruins of the Vijayanagar or even Gara. A lot of them said Gara. It represents one of the golden eras of Indian history. um So it's very important and obviously with it like back then being the second biggest city in the world.
00:37:30
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right yeah um They do say that there's few tourists that have end up having enough time or energy to like properly explore and take in all the details of the area all at once. um not good stuff so uh i'd want to take a day at least i think i had seen something that says like you can travel by bus to a certain part and then like you have to walk so they do like walking trips um and then i don't know how easy it is to get from hippie island to there if hippie island's just across the river i don't know how you get across the river
00:38:10
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ah Yeah, it's taking you part of the day at least to get there for sure. No wonder they want more time. Like there's no hotel right around there. You can just go out in the morning. No, but that does seem to have been one of the reasons why it's so well preserved is because it's a little more out of the way and harder to get to. Right. Yeah. And then because there's so much to look at people are so spread out. Yeah.
00:38:38
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Yeah, it looked really cool. I would definitely say if you don't at least go to the website, just Google Hampi India. There's a lot of amazing travel pictures. People have done like travel blogs there and they get their crazy tripod shots and everything. It's, yeah, just looks beautiful. I would love to go there one day. No, God love travel blogs and stuff. Yeah.
00:39:06
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yeah's like What do they say? they I don't know. They say something about a person, a reader lives a thousand lives or something. It's like sometimes I feel like I've been places because I read a book about them, but sometimes you can just immerse yourself in that the pictures and be like, well, at least I get a sense of what it's like, even if I may not be able to travel there someday. And like, hopefully people can get kind of that stuff from listening to places like this or about places like this too.
Historical Overview of Port Royal, Jamaica
00:39:31
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um When I was looking up to save pictures, I was like, God, there's so many good pictures. And I was like, how many yeah have I saved? And I'm like, oh, I've already done 12. I could do a thousand. Is there a limit? Yeah. I make a lot of look at 700 pictures. Oh, no. my Yeah, it's hard to person yourself down when I'm trying to like make an Instagram post.
00:39:53
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I'm going through an earthquake like it's Star Trek in here. but All right. Well, I think that's a great spot for us to take a quick break and I will go here and i'll be right back to discuss that further because you did a great job. That was awesome. Thank you. Cool. I got to cover it. Yeah.
00:40:17
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We'll be back if Gordo lets me. Oh no. We need a Gordo minute. All right. yeah
00:40:50
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Action? No. Quiet on set? Sorry, I was looking at office ladies. They said they had the one director, like McDougall or something, and he'd be like, action?
00:41:06
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I wouldn't be able to not laugh. ah Oh dear God. All right, guys. um Get ready for some laughs. No, I don't know. Maybe, maybe you could picture some ah more of that pirate show that I still need to watch. Flag means that one. yeah Yep. Because I want to see Will Arnett as Captain Jack Rackham. I really do. And that's who Ressa says he plays. And I was like, damn it, I need to watch that. Oh. Maybe it's in the second season. I haven't seen the second season yet.
00:41:46
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Oh, okay, okay, okay. I think I've seen one episode, so you're doing better than me. But this is about Port Royal, which was, is in Jamaica, I guess. Okay. Yeah. I feel like I kind of recognize the name, but. Evil shoulder shimmy. Um,
00:42:12
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I don't know. i've I heard about it once before on like a show and I thought it sounded cool. So it's kind of fascinated me ever since I heard of it, but it was known as a pirate haven. And it's funny cause it has also been called the wickedest ah city on earth or the richest and wickedest city in the new world at one point in time. Okay. Which I was like,
00:42:39
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didn't she say hers was also like called the biggest city and like the richest city yeah at the time i think right yeah how the mighty have fallen of course in this episode but um yeah this one's got a cool backstory and like i don't know it's cool to dig into too i guess like There's some boring history, but like because it does go back to the 1500s, which is longer than most most of us in North of America, I think that seems like a long time ago. Yeah. Unfathomable. Gordo, calm that tail. If you can hear thumping in the background of my audio, it's just Gordo throwing a hissy fit.
00:43:29
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It kind of sounded like something, yeah, something hard smack the table, not a tail. Yeah, that's him flicking his tail like a little, a little bitch.
00:43:41
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It was like the most perfectly represented when like Gloria on Modern Family is like, no, I'm just angry. So I'm slamming the cupboards about about something. And I was like, I don't know. She's just like,
00:43:59
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super closing those cupboards. um and Yeah, 1509, I think it goes back to about. Aboot. Aboot. We're Canadian, you got to say aboot, eh? Oh no. Don't get me started. Let's just do a thing on it. How did this get me that movie podcast? And it it was ah like a Hallmark movie called like Snowmans. A snowman came to life. Oh, I was gonna say. Midwestern town. But it was filmed in Canada or something. They're like,
00:44:41
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Oh, those are some good Canadian accents. It's like, no, it's supposed to be the Midwest. It's like, same thing. You know, like frickin' Wisconsin, like, mina like, it was, yeah, I think it was supposed to be and mea Minneapolis, but it's like, yeah, you probably filmed in Ontario.
00:44:59
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across the border. When Snowman came to life, I thought it was going to be the other way around. From what I'm assuming, I thought it was going to be a guy that made a big snow woman, big boobed snow woman, made a hole.
00:45:22
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I was a boy like, my girl are maybe why is this a Hallmark movie? Every year made a snowman into her dream man or something. Apparently it was pretty dumb. I can imagine. That's great. I'm going to Google it later. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:45:47
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I think that's yeah also that movie Ressa made me watch Troll 2 that might have also have been featured on this how did this get made podcast because they're like why no really how did this get made basically the snowman comes to life and she finds out she was in love with her best friend all along yay I don't know oh they also covered one one called Thunderpants that featured Rupert Grint And he accidentally called him Rupert Grimpert.
00:46:22
Speaker
gri What are you doing? He's just rolling back and forth, back and forth from one side to the other, flopping. He just smashed his head into the wall. If anyone would like to support the show, donate on Patreon so we can get a cat gate. we can We can buy a Rupert Grimpert t-shirt because they did make some.
00:46:47
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after their live show in Scotland. I love that. Yes, it's about a little boy who's like has like noxious farts. That's what the movie's about. It's like right around the time he gets Harry Potter. He's so little. I really want to see it now. Okay, so it's not post Harry Potter. I know he did some like indie stuff after. Oh, I bet he did. I mean,
00:47:10
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much like Dan Radcliffe, who's also on How Did This Get Made podcast. Is it Fur? Oh, I was gonna say Fur. Did they talk about Swiss Army Man yet? Daniel Radcliffe's move. Oh, I heard of that one. That was one of the weird ones he did, right? He's a farting corpse.
00:47:28
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So I was like, oh, Rupert Grint was... No, no that was totally track. Oh, no, I hadn't seen that. And I haven't seen that one either. But yeah, it's a clip. He does have some range. It's a good movie. I don't know. It's cute and like a weird indie heartwarming way. But when you think about it too much, it's really weird.
00:47:52
Speaker
I won't think about it too much, I can guarantee. um so But I guess him and his his actress girlfriend, they were talking about they're in a new one called, a not Misfits, that's the wrong word, ah Miracle Workers. I think he was like an angel or something. Yeah. Yeah. I watched the first season of that. It's really funny. I haven't caught up, but apparently it went like insane after the first season.
00:48:20
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Oh cool cool cool. Okay yeah then I will try and check that out. Yeah it's not like Steve Buscemi and everything in it too. I think he plays God. Oh my God. Of course.
00:48:32
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a ah Who produced this? Adam Sandler? No. ah ah And we probably do have long legs here if we want to watch it but that's beside the point.
00:48:43
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um
00:48:45
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All right, this Port Royal was in Jamaica, and it was located at the end of the what they called the Palisados, which was an 18-mile-long sand spit north of Kingston Harbor. I think I've heard of that. I was like, I love the word sand spit. We used to go to a place on PEI.
00:49:12
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amusement park or whatever, right? And it was called the Sands Pit. Oh, okay. I know weird, right? I guess it's like a sandbar or whatever. Okay, I was gonna say is that one. Yeah, right when the the tide is low enough and then it makes little island. Yeah, it's definitely not very, um,
00:49:33
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secure, safe place. So that's probably how you can ah see where this is going. But yeah, exactly. A sandbar.
00:49:45
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ah to I tried to basically picture jumping from one sandbar to another or just over it like the tide was going out on this rocky beach. And did I tell you, that's how I totally like wiped out on my trip and like,
00:50:00
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bashed up my knee and everything in front of my mom and like a group of people with like this dog. Shit. Oh, you didn't tell me that. Yeah, it was the day we were when we were visiting mom and stuff and we went to the can the Bay of Fundy area. Eyes Tides, they got a bunch of hiking trails there. It's like beautiful spot but we're going along the beach and it's uh you know we're just beachcombing like it's a rocky we're not swimming and i was wearing like no sneakers right and like actually sensible shoes and stuff but then my mom had made it out far and i'm just like
00:50:40
Speaker
Oh, okay. I'm going to go out there and then then there's like the tides going out and stuff. So then there's like these little streams forming where the tides are going out and stuff. And I can try, like I'm trying to avoid them and jump over them because ah I don't want to get my shoes all wet. And then I had done it all the way there, but then kind of on our way back or whatever. And I'm like, Oh, I'm going to jump from like one side of this growing stream to the other. And like from this rock in the middle, yeah it's like,
00:51:07
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I probably shouldn't do that when it's like you know a rock that's just been under ocean water like hours before and everything's slippery. It's slimy and wet. It didn't look very slimy like some of the other ones do, but I definitely like got on it and then just like tried to hit the edge of the thing on the other side, but then it's it's all sand and it's all sand barred, so it just like collapses.
00:51:32
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and then like I kind of made it to the other side, but then just like fell backwards. And then and my mom was like, I'm sorry. It was just really funny. So I didn't have time to ask you how you were before those other people did.
00:51:47
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I'm not with her. I don't know her. I just hear like, are you okay? And I was like, oh yeah. And then like climbing out, like my knee is just like.
00:52:03
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I had to go sit on this other rock. And my mom was like, I'm sorry. I'm like, no, I tried. I flew too far to the sun. Oh, yeah. the The bruise is finally gone. But then this weekend, I burned myself with a pizza sauce. So that was fun. I may be a little turning accident prone. Who knows?
00:52:33
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yeah
00:52:35
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Seriously, though, it like a blister. It looks like a cold sore right now. Oh, yeah, I can see it. It was a bad burn. I didn't realize at the time, but then I was like, no, that actually hurt. I probably should have put like cold water on it right away because it was like tomato sauce, like squirt it out and then like burnt the side of my lip. Shit. I'm having a time. OK, back to the Palisados were here. It's 1509 at first.
00:53:05
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ah Nowadays, the place is a peninsula, but back then Port Royal was considered a K or a small low elevation sandy island on the surface of a coral reef. So super stable, as you can imagine. The Spanish love the spot. ah That's why they started to settle there. It was absolutely perfect for what they called careering their boats.
00:53:31
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a nautical term, it means to clean and refit boats and ships and also scrape down their hulls, I guess. So they called it. Goodbye, barnacles. Yeah, and I'm like, that's why they called it Caio de Carina. They're Carina-ing their boats or whatever this term is that I'm saying wrong probably.
00:53:53
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like careering I don't know, please correct me. But yeah, they just built a few timber warehouses at the time, so nothing huge.
00:54:05
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And then the British took it from the sp took it from the Spanish in 1655, fortifying it with this fort Cromwell, later called Fort Charles, and they added six smaller forts just ringed around the K.
00:54:26
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So she was getting fortified.
00:54:30
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And actually at the time they said it was like better protected than some of its contemporary ah Spanish cities such as Cartagena, Havana, Veracruz, or Portobello. Which two of those are still capitals today. Yeah. The other two I had to look up. I've been to Havana. I've been to Havana. Oh, shit. Oh, that's really cool. I would love to go to Cuba. My mom liked it there. It's nice, yeah. We had a lot of fun.
00:54:59
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Just the ah Caribbean water. like o yeah We were there, I think, while the US people still weren't really allowed to travel there. They really liked Canadians and everything like that. It might have changed. It's been a long time.
00:55:22
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like at least a decade since I've been there but I think it's opened up a bit but to be honest like I don't know many yeah know ah for Americans and we're we're generally better received worldwide than Americans anyway sorry about it yeah I remember it being really nice there we had a lot of fun got to go to the Caribbean yeah we'll start a Kickstarter
00:55:55
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ah butpapa The Ihas, they had a fort and six smaller forts, little fortlets. No, ah it had grown also faster than any English founded town from about 1655 to 1692.
00:56:15
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me um Buildings popping up like mushrooms, many of them brothels and gambling halls and rooms to rent and taverns and other places to drink, of course.
00:56:30
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ah They did a large, you know, which was a large trade at the time slave trade in the city. um so obviously that's unfortunate but they also did deal in sugar and raw materials making it a real mercantile hub nice car yeah it was it was doing good home to somewhere between well yeah there's six thousand to ten thousand people ah you know uh over the years i guess uh the merchants artisans captains tradesmen
00:57:09
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enslaved people, uh, sex workers, and of course, pirates. yeah All the, all the trades of the time. I'm on a pirate kick here now. Yeah. When you start talking pirates, I was like, pirates. I did mention there might be some pirates. Yes. Um, hang on. So yeah, it was a shipping and commerce center.
00:57:38
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there were at its heyday around 2000 buildings made ah many made of costly brick rather this included a governor's house a king's house it said court of chancery didn't have time to look that up that's fine ah probably some government body something like that oh i know another rabbit hole like what are they governing because clearly it's not any of the laws that Right. And like, we have a lot of still kind of stupid laws that have to do with us being like, a Commonwealth country that never, you know, threw off the monarchy for a long, long time. And you're just like, they don't mean anything. Yeah. They had four churches and a cathedral, which is something I listened to, maybe right handed, that the cute British accents.
00:58:33
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And they're like, do you have to have a cathedral to be considered a city? And I'm like, if so, like these guys were a city. They had it all. um ah One thing I listened to said they had some form of indoor plumbing. And again, probably should have tried to verify that one. But there's just like a lot of the same information. And then I fell down a few rabbit holes. I know, though, right? yeah it's like ah But, and they're always like still fighting. This is going on with fighting the Spanish. There's so much privateering, buccaneering, probably side switching. um They stopped giving out the letters of Mark, ah which were, I guess, the ones that allowed privateers to go after the Spanish ships. And and once they said it wasn't legal anymore, they just, many turned piratical and used the- Yeah.
00:59:31
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the yeah they're like let's continue plundering yeah that's what i talked about in mine okay okay they're like where is all the rum gone they were yeah when we were like the spanish where they were just like oh yeah we're fighting against the spanish now and they're like okay that's over and it's like okay now we're now we're just plundering anybody damn it we're all just they're all just bullies um
01:00:02
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ah So, oh yeah, there was one cool account by a Francis Hanson, Hanson Brothers, from 1682 that gave a detailed account of the wealth of the average Port Royal citizen. So I'll just quote this
01:00:20
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hopefully without tripping up the town of Port Royal being as it were the storehouse or Treasury of the West Indies is always like a continual art or fair where all sorts of choice merchandises are daily imported not only to furnish the island but vast quantities are then again transported to supply the Spaniards Indians and other nations who in exchange return us bars and cakes of gold wedges and pigs of silver pistols pieces of eight and several other coins of both metals and or with store of rot plate jewels rich pearl necklaces and a pearl unsorted and undrilled several bushels it was just one person's account yeah you lost me at the end i just heard pieces of eight and was like
01:01:14
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Pirates of the Caribbean. um So I didn't remember that. It's been a long time since I watched those movies. o Yeah, it may have been some form of a coin or like, at times I know they cut up coins so sometimes in the past and they were worth like, I don't know, like he cut a dollar into four, maybe it's worth a quarter, like that kind of situation. because they didn't all have a lot of coins. Yeah, I feel like that could have been like Viking days. So I don't know. But like pieces of eight, I know they had them talked about them in care, Pirates of the Caribbean. And it was more like a call to the the pirate lord table. And they're like, our pieces of eight just like pieces of crap. They're all like putting them in this communal little like the communal bowl or whatever. They're like, yeah, it just happens to be like whatever they have in their pockets at the time or something stupid. Weird.
01:02:13
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That's silly. So everyone's wealthy, but also like not locking their doors, apparently. So just really comfortable. Yeah. Privateers are taking contracts from the British to keep reading the Spanish, but also the French and the Dutch ships.
01:02:33
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They divvy up the booty. They had, ah you know, all sorts of rules and like quarter masters that were like the um accountants, making sure everybody gets paid and whatnot.
01:02:49
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But still quite living large and like ah famous in the city for a blackout strength rum called the Kill Devil Rum. you
01:03:02
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Yeah. I mean, some people's alcohol made you blind then, so who knows what this one did? Blackout drunk? Yeah. Gotta do something with a name like that. They called it like Blackout Rum or something, so I was like, okay.
01:03:26
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But all this rabble rousing had to all come crashing down eventually and no one ever really saw it coming because they'd just been living it up. I was going to say that. They're living it up. It's a rap video, right? No. It's all the excess, no rules. Meanwhile, there's like priests and I don't know, there's Puritans and they're like, oh, they're going to get theirs. Yeah. Yeah.
01:03:55
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And so, yeah, they think they, of course, are not safe from the act of God, as we might say, especially in the insurance world. And they're displeased with these sinners.
01:04:09
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a But yeah, so there's like a mighty earthquake to befall them on June 7th of 1692. And it was just before noon, basically, as we'll learn later, about a quarter to like this massive earthquake just shook the town and about two thirds of it ah went into the sea afterwards. Oh my God. Oh, quite the earthquake destruction. No, it's really the death toll is quite huge.
01:04:46
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Yeah. The one thing said the city largely built over sand suffered instantly from liquefaction. Oh, yeah. Fenrir, your butt opened the door. And then he's just looking at me. Quote, the city like largely built over sand suffered instantly from liquefaction with buildings, roads and citizens sucked into the ground.
01:05:14
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um geysers erupted from the earth buildings collapse and finally the city was hit by tsunami waves dragging what had not been destroyed out to sea end quote damn yeah yeah i'm just like i'm sorry i'm just i know i'm grossly morally fascinated with the disaster ones because they're just so insane to be like these people are just sitting there and like yeah you don't know what's going to happen. You think you're in a secure land. No, like Pat will be like, Oh, I don't want to live too close to the sea or like, but you're like, you could live too close to a mountain. Like you just don't know what's going to happen or whatever. Yeah. You just can't predict it. So we're in a pretty good area here. Like we got enough. I don't think any tsunami they've said, like no tsunami would ever
01:06:08
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be able to reach us because we have the mountains on one side and then we have too many provinces on our other side. And then we have like, land Yeah, we're like, but but we're we're goodly situated and we don't get a lot of like, earthquake kind of things. And yeah, don't get We get the odd tornado. I think we've only had a few, maybe like a handful of bad ones. Yeah, I believe there's one they refer to us, the Black Friday one or whatever that was decades ago. But yeah sometime in the 80s, I think. Okay.
01:06:50
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I was safe over in Hurricane Alley then being made in New Brunswick. Yeah. I wasn't even born yet. I mean, there's always something, right? Like, it's almost like the the thing of like, if we get like hail, that's our first thing I think hail. Yeah, that's supposed to go.
01:07:12
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Oh, they I did. Yeah, I don't know.
01:07:16
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It's, uh, it's definitely another one we could panic about if we wanted to, but there's a lot, there's been a lot we could panic about. Exactly. Yeah. I think, I think I listened to a year wrong about where they were like, there's no indication that any of the, uh, big ones are going to go off, but like, you know, people are going to be worried about shit anyway. All right. Well, these people.
01:07:44
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Yeah, unfortunately, they should have been worried and they just didn't know it. And then that's why well we now know not to build towns and cities on top of sand because of like, I'd heard of that before. Sand on top of a reef or whatever the hell they said. Yeah. It doesn't sound good. Sorry. and My dog literally opened the door. Like the I had thought I had the door fully shut, but his big butt. Okay.
01:08:15
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um First, though, went literally the warehouses and the docks as the earthquake hit. said that It said, then the cemetery was destroyed, leaving coffins and corpses among the wreckage that didn't end up underwater. Some swept out to sea. The church tower went crumbling to the ground and was swallowed up by the water. All these brick houses, two and three stories tall, were just suddenly shifted and sank.
01:08:45
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Um, some were able to flee somehow. Yeah. Like, yeah, I don't know how, I don't know how, like obviously for some it was too fast and they were too far out, but as the forts all went down one by one, there was this one quote said, one survivor, Reverend Dr. Heath, which is my dentist's name.
01:09:12
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Anyway, ah rector of Port Royal recalled, we heard the church and tower fall upon which we ran to save ourselves. I made toward Morgan's fort because being a wide open place, I thought to be their securist from the falling houses. But i as I made towards it, I saw the earth open and swallow a multitude of people and the sea mounting in upon us over the fortification.
01:09:41
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Yeah, scary.
01:09:46
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um
01:09:49
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So 20 of the 51 acres of the town sank to a depth of 10 feet or about three meters and 13 more acres slid to a depth of 35 feet or about 10 meters. Wow. Now my dog.
01:10:10
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He was sitting fine and then Pat went and shut the door and now he's... Okay.
01:10:17
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2,000 people, unfortunately, were killed in the disaster itself and 3,000 more would end up succumbing to their injuries and also disease after the fact. Oh, yeah. Probably like... Thank God, no. No, probably food or water or anything.
01:10:39
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Yeah, I think that's probably a part we don't think about with a lot of the hurricanes and other disasters. Yeah, it's like the afterwards that can really cause the most damage. Yeah, especially they seem so common sometimes. you like live on the Atlantic coast, you're like, oh yeah, hurricanes, especially up to Eastern Canada. You're like, oh, they could hit us, but we're probably fine. And then like, yeah, you know, we do get some damage, but like, it's not usually quite devastating. So you you do get quite comfortable, I guess. Yeah.
01:11:16
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um Most of the survivors were able to flee to the mainland, but some were actually ordered to stay behind in the parts that remained. Um, like the secretary and receiver general and some of the port officers that were told to remain, I guess.
Port Royal's Archaeological Significance
01:11:33
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I wouldn't. I'd be getting out of there. Screw them. I mean, I don't know where they are in the, in the, yeah, in the township, but hopefully on somewhere that seems a little more stable, but.
01:11:51
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Also, they started to do like a rebuild um further inland or across the bay, I believe. like They weren't giving up on this this town quite yet. ah But they probably should have. Because there's just no hope for it. It's just...
01:12:17
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Then they had a fire on January 9th, 1703, because this is like, what, 10 years later-ish? it's not have At least it's not like just a couple months. But yeah, this is true. um But it did spread super quickly due to like gun power stores that lit up in all the warehouses and spread other things. All the pirate weapons.
01:12:48
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Oh, no, the rum, the rum's gone up. Yeah. Yeah, the alcohol, gunpowder. um I think a lot of illegal things must be flammable.
01:13:01
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oh It just like, unfortunately, raced from building to building and then residents once more were forced to flee. And oh, yeah, one boatmaster just noted in his log that Port Royal burnt all but the castle.
01:13:20
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yeah Did they make everything up? What? You said the first time everything was made out of like brick. so A lot of brick buildings. Yeah, maybe they put more stuff out of wood.
01:13:35
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Then it's like, oh, damn, now it all there. There's probably still some brick buildings in the one third of the town that didn't go underwater. Yeah. It's the only part that survived. I know. It's terrible. I feel like uncomfortable after. But yeah, I don't know if when he said all about the castle, if that was like a tavern, because I'm pretty sure they didn't have an actual castle. Yeah, that would be a little weird.
01:14:04
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yeah I mean, there are dime a dozen in, like, Scotland, but this is a different island, okay? Yeah. um At this time after the fire, a bill, capital B, was proposed to move all commerce to Kingston, Jamaica. But surprisingly, it was not received unanimously unanimously by all the citizens of Port Royal. No, that's their fucking livelihoods. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:39
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So the merchants knew that their wares would probably be like safer in Kingston because I think it's a little bit you know further in mind, whatever. But the various seamen and the sailors didn't necessarily like the idea of all the distance they need to transport their cargo into this city now that it's not in a port or as accessible of a port maybe.
01:15:05
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um But
01:15:09
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It tried to keep going, ah even if that bill kind of failed, so they just both cities keep ah going, the rest of Port Royal and Kingston. But then as it's going, it's just hit by four more hurricanes between 1712 and 1744. Four more? Just its luck.
01:15:34
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Goddamn. just like I'm feeling this one this week. It's just on the struggle bus and I'm like, I know man, you guys just kept trying to make it work. People are just, they got a fighting spirit, you know? Yeah.
01:15:52
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ah Yeah, it was hit in 1712, 1722, 1726 and 1744 with the hurricanes.
01:16:03
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Um, and also like, I guess throw in a few more fires to boot. So it was too and too good. If it's not fire, it's water. That's your enemy. Yes. This one made me think it's like the opposite of, uh, like I think I mentioned to you off air, there's one and that's pretty well known. So it was like.
01:16:25
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it It's on fire now because they tried to light up their garbage dumps that they had thrown into the mine or whatever in Centralia. And this one's like the opposite. It's like, everything's under water, but also fire happened to this one. Yeah. And it really does make you think, and it does make me it did make me think of the pirate paradise that I talked about on the other one that may or may not have been a real place. like the Not Lithuania, Libertalia, or whatever it's called.
01:17:01
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um Also in a note nod to our pirate episodes, um the following happened here too. It said in 1720, John Calico Jack Rackham was hanged at Gallows Point in Port Royal by order of that pirate hunter and former privateer, Woods Rogers.
01:17:24
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um They said is best known for his rescue of the castaway Alexander Selkirk, the inspiration for Robson Crusoe. I just remembered he was that annoying guy with the annoying name, Woods Rogers. Yeah, it's always dampening our pirate parade. nar so All right.
01:17:48
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Finally, most of the revenue residents of the town gave up on Port Royal and the former town became a British naval center mostly, which spanned from around 1713 to 1905.
01:18:03
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Okay, so for quite a long time. Yeah, it became still useful but more as a naval center that because it was still great for the ships as they always liked it for I i suppose as long as they're not on fire or hit by tourney hurricanes all the time the ships here guys okay if you guys don't bring any more pirates and stuff um yeah um at least until uh i guess the last one was 1951 when hurricane charlie hit and destroyed most of the original buildings and so
01:18:42
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Damn, they survived that long. Four more hurricanes. Only two remain now, which is the jailhouse built in 1710 and McFarland's Bar from the 1800s. Okay, that's probably the luckiest bar and the strongest jail. Yeah, 1800s, I'm like, oh, that's young. That wasn't there for the original um earthquake, but yeah, it's pretty old. Yeah.
01:19:11
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And this one street, once a main thoroughfare, just called like Lime Street, mostly it said it just continues on underwater and is very well preserved. So that's quite a picture. Oh, creepy. Right? like it just That's where it ended.
01:19:28
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um Yes, this quote said ah some of the same. Today, most of them are remains of the 17th century city lie up to under 40 feet of water. Up until the 1900s, visitors reported on the city still visible below the waves and the eerie sensation of floating over the rooftops. Since the 1950s, divers have been exploring and cataloging the submerged city.
01:19:53
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In 1969, Edwin Link discovered the most famous artifact. A pocket watch dated 1686 stopped at exactly 1143.
01:20:05
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So, yeah, the earthquake happened in 1692, but the watch stopped at exactly 1143, so they knew that's when probably everything went... Yeah, or like within a minute or so, yeah.
01:20:21
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure like that's creepy. but Yeah. Yeah, I love when they have like an ex exact minute, even though as you say, it's like, probably not accurate to the minute, because how can anything be when my fucking car, you know, watch is different than my phone watch, but yeah.
01:20:41
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Yeah, it's still crazy what they've been able to find underwater. They found old fish and meat markets, like discernible taverns, two taverns and three ships underwater.
01:20:53
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um ah Other very, if not altogether intact, identifiable buildings, which they named buildings one, two and three. Creative.
01:21:05
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I know. Apparently archaeology isn't all it's cracked up to be as I've heard from people that have done some of those digging sites. um Building 1, 2, and 3 as it were included like a cobbler shop because they could see like leather scraps and the such and shoe parts and then like a storehouse slash tavern because like a lot of liquor bottles and shit. Nice. Yeah. It's like, oh, they just all went underwater. Okay, Vegas just went down. No, I don't know. It's just crazy. Maybe Atlantic City, because that one at least is not landlocked. It's like when people say, I want to go on a cruise to Vegas. You're like, you can't travel, sir or madam. That's not a thing you can do. It's landlocked.
01:22:02
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i can have have they invented ships that can sail through through the ground yet we've all encountered the dummies those are calling it's buses and fucking cars i shouldn't remember having one annoying lady that was like and want i want to have a coffee pot in my room in vegas turns out you probably won't get much more than just a little whatever because they want you to go and buy their expensive coffee. Just the way it is. I don't know what to tell you. Also, all the rooms have room fees or whatever, resort fees. Yeah. yeah Do you think they want to buy 16,000 coffee pots and put them all in the rooms? like No. No.
01:22:55
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Especially not in Vegas. They're like, no, no. You go downstairs. yeah All right. This one's cool. It has a cool um fact about it. It's the only sunken city in the Western Hemisphere. So I thought that was cool. and The Western Hemisphere. Interesting. I know, right? Where are the other sunken cities? I love a good drowned town. No, I don't know. Haven't found them yet.
01:23:25
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No, we talked about some structures found off Japan's coast or another, but yeah, I can't really remember.
Pirates and Historical Drinking Habits
01:23:34
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um Some of these are very well preserved actually due to the natural environment as I found out that these breaking waves also add to this sedimentary material.
01:23:47
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um quote science words, the waves encourage precipitation of lime carbonate, which creates a type of cement loosely binding all the materials together. I wonder if that's where Lime Street got its name also. The opposite of erosion by waves. Yeah, making it stronger. It breaks my brain. Yeah.
01:24:16
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and Near Lime Street, there's a place called Chocolata Hole. A chocolate hole? Yes. A butthole? Chocolate starfish in the hot dog flavored water.
01:24:34
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ah Yeah, like one ah quote had a ah part that made sense. not Okay.
01:24:46
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The first part didn't make as much sense because it started with the current playing field is identified as the former site of Lime Street, and I didn't know what they meant by playing field. Oh, anyway. I probably should have just cut it out and reworded it to make myself less confused. But it's the street that was, as it says in fact, continued underwater and is well preserved with major significance as an archaeological site.
01:25:16
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and Chocolata Hole was a bay in front of Fort Charles until it was filled in sometimes after after the earthquake. You filled in your Chocolata Hole.
01:25:31
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On the east side of Chocolata Hole is St. Peter's Church and the former military hospital laboratory. Fun fact.
01:25:41
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Like that there's a church across from the the chocolate. ah It's perfect. It is perfect. We know how that church is. No. OK. All right. Well, this is a fun fact about this story that has to do with the Captain Morgan.
01:26:06
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a Captain Henry Morgan.
01:26:11
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So remember there was a poor cemetery that got destroyed in this um earthquake fiasco. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of those caskets got kind of just lost to sea or destruction. And one of them was probably a celebrity that we all know and love today, Captain Morgan. Captain Morgan.
01:26:37
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Be Captain Morgan. He was a real guy. Everybody do the pose. Do the pose. Yes, put your foot up on a barrel. One of my foot's already up on my stool. No, no, no. Just put your hands on your hips now. Yes.
01:26:52
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and Captain Morgan, I don't know, but I did have a friend, Jill, who wanted to be referred to as El Presidente for a while while we were out on the town drinking. So that was a personality. All right. So here's what we know about him. He was a real guy. He was Welsh actually born in Wales in 1635. Oh, gotta love Wales. Little place called Larrimony.
01:27:26
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Larrimony, maybe.
01:27:32
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I think they have one of those things that's like the longest town name in the world and it's like 17,000 syllables. You're like, oh my God, the Welsh. ah But this is a place that's now near Cardiff, Wales. um And he was into it as far back as the 1600s. May have been a member of the 1655 expedition that was to seize Jamaica from the Spanish.
01:27:56
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ah Ditto Cuba in 1662. And he was most certainly a second in command of the buccaneers fighting against the Dutch colonies in what was known as the Second Anglo-Dutch War of 1665 to 1667. But they didn't know they'd have two Anglo-Dutch Wars.
01:28:20
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They're like, let's start this one and then do another. Yeah. yeah
01:28:26
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In 1668, he commanded his band of buccaneers to capture Puerto Principe, Cuba, now called Camague.
01:28:38
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That's probably not right. And then they stormed and sacked the well-fortified city of Portobello on the Isthmus of Panama, which is apparently the land link like the border of Costa Rica to Colombia, so like that whole Central America area situation.
01:29:02
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And finally in 1670, with 36 ships that had almost 2000 men, they all set out to take the city of Panama, as it was called. He was then victorious against that large Spanish force. There was looting and burning of the city, because of course, and On the return journey, he even deserted his followers and absconded with most of the booty, which apparently wasn't much because I guess, you know how they're like, the British are coming, bury the silver or whatever. Like they had buried and hid most of the silver and gold. So he was like, damn it. You know what? Good job. If you don't have metal detectors yet, know you got do something.
01:29:50
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to protect your goods. You you don't have yeah security systems or whatever. is this This dirt all all over town is all upturned and freshly dug up. like What's going on? Where's all the treasures? yeah Nothing to see here. That's my cat's litter box. Don't look at the flower bed.
01:30:10
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um just
01:30:14
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I just buried another baby. Oh no, I won't say that. I'm so sorry. um Yes. Okay, so what was most unfortunate for him after this looting of the city was that it all went down just as peace talks were finishing between Spain and England.
01:30:35
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as he was what, looting Spain still or Spanish? They were like, no, no, we're not fighting with them anymore. And it re-invited the war. Or like he was just like reluctantly arrested and sent back to London. Wow. Even the something like the guy that was supposed to arrest him was like, really? Okay.
01:31:03
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um and just as peace yes talks were finishing oh yeah they arrested him send it back to london april of 1672 just two years later in 74 when relations soured once more with the spanish king charles the second knighted henry morgan and sent him to serve as governor of jamaica which out of prison immediately gets knighted they found it very helpful as they uh didn't want to lose the uh sugar trade and to the Caribbean and the privateers without Henry Morgan were like kind of just oh i don't know we don't want to act with our old our old leader that the worst love even though he went back on them and like stole all the booty i guess he did steal a lot on the way out but i mean that's probably power for the course yeah and now they're like telling them to um
01:32:01
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raid on the newest enemy which is apparently Holland so you know anyone's just like kill them kill them kill all my enemies like do we have to where's where's Henry Morgan at least he was fun
01:32:19
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ah But yeah, that's how England ended up sending him back to regain, I guess, the sugar trade, making Governor of Jamaica. That's how he ends up there. And yeah, it comes to still be in Port Royal, ah quote, where he spent his time on politics, his sugar plantations and drinking rum with his old privateer comrades. So he did like rum. I don't think he made it. Probably not.
01:32:49
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No, I think the real brand of it started in like the 1940s. So I don't think it has a connection, but they were honoring him. um And he died in ah August of 1688 on the 25th. We know the exact date, but we don't know if it was from tuberculosis or like alcoholism problems or maybe both. So.
01:33:15
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That's kind of sad. Take care of yourself, people. Bet you'd honor somebody who might have died from alcohol abuse.
01:33:25
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That's true. That's true. We may be glorified too much here. Spend the next 80 years making hundreds of thousands of people alcoholics.
01:33:42
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Well, you know what it is too? We're weird in North America. We're like, you can't have alcohol until you're like an adult. But then we're like, oh, you can have it all you want, but don't have it too much or else you're a pariah. It's just like, wait, what? Why do we encourage it so much? It's so weird. Yeah, when I was younger, like, I i don't know, i I was allowed to have a cooler here and there and I was probably right.
01:34:12
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i don't know i remember having one with my aunt one time and my aunt died when i was in grade eight so what eight nine ten i was like 13 or 14 like that seems like a normal time like maybe once or twice a year like not even that and it's just so weird sometimes like how yeah not too long ago we were like have an ale and water down wide to eat with their like meals because it was more healthy than a lot of the water that was available. Yeah, that alcohol kills the bacteria sometimes. Right. And I don't think we really knew that but it just also wasn't like as frowned upon to drink it all the time. But then again, there were some problems where like, you know, obviously there was there's been drunks all along. Well, everybody died by the time they were 40 anyway, so.
Time Travel and True Crime Mysteries
01:35:14
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this and this one scene I always think of in one of the freaking Outlander books where she's like, Oh, what's wrong with this girl? She looks really drunk. And then she's like turns her over and she's like, Oh, like, fuck, she's like really pregnant. And I'm like, Oh my god, that's like so scary. Like, at least we don't do that anymore. Right? Like we, yeah we at least know a little better. Yeah. Damn.
01:35:36
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oh
01:35:39
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Anyway, I'm sorry. Pirates. And then I'm like, oh my God, times are crazy. You know how you'd like to go back in time? No, it's still nuts. Yes, always. But I would never go back in time. I will. If I had time travel, I would always go to the future. I don't. There's very few times, very few things in the past I would ever want to see. Maybe like a couple concerts, but other than that, nothing.
01:36:11
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That's so funny because my mind just now went to like, um, true crime cases or something where it's like people are like, Oh, once I meet them, my maker, I'm going to ask them what happened to like John Benny Ramsey or whatever. You're like, okay, well, I guess that's what you want to know in the future. But it's like, it's so weird. What are you going to know? Like, yeah, if you have future knowledge, it's like.
01:36:36
Speaker
How are we gonna know it's not gonna break our brain? It's breaking my brain. I just wanna travel to the future and stay there. I think I wanna come back. Oh my god. I can't even. Unless it's like a dystopian and everything sucks and then I wanna come back. If you don't come back, you never see people ever again.
01:36:59
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oh
01:37:02
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ah I'll do it when I'm old.
01:37:05
Speaker
I'll just disappear one day. I'll take Gordo with me. good I'll just disappear one day. I'll become a true crime case, but really I just went into the future. Oh my god, you're Fry from Futurama. He was just out delivering pizza one night and then you just fell into a cryogenic capsule. Yeah. All right. Well, that was really fun.
01:37:33
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um We hope you'll join us next time. You crazies, why would you?
01:37:42
Speaker
We're into some weird crimes, some mysterious crimes, some don't know how we know this corpse ended up here crimes. Something with ah a bit of a mystery. Oh yeah. Unsalty kind of thing. I don't mean to sound that excited because it's crime, so I get it. but like they are intriguing it's the unsolved mysteries of it all that we we all like to watch that show don't say you don't but yeah all right well i'm gonna go watch whatever horror movie pat said he was putting on i can't remember i'm going to bed right fair enough um
01:38:33
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We hope you'll all join us next week for some more craziness that we get through without any technical difficulties.
Pet Interruptions and Podcasting Humor
01:38:43
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Yeah, just, just Gordo, Gordo interruptions. And then as soon as that was sorted, almost immediate, I was like, we've closed the door. And then it was like a minute later, Fenrir was like, open your door. And then it was like, oh, shit.
01:38:57
Speaker
And that was after any gorgeous interruptus. That's right. And it's like, just locked him out of the room and I was like, okay, pet pet problems over. And then it was like, enter Fenrir stage lab. like Yeah, I think Pat moved upstairs and then he was like, I'm going to come sit by this door. And then it wasn't latched quite. So the weight of his own buttocks, the door opened and he looked over at me like, what, what mom? I'm like, um, I didn't open the door.
01:39:28
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Yeah, I'm surprised Gordo didn't even, I locked, I closed and then locked the door because he can open these door handles, the ones that come over. um
01:39:39
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Especially because they'll like push inwards. So i I locked the door. I'm surprised I haven't even heard him try and open it. He was just like, he just accepted it and was like, moving on.
01:39:50
Speaker
It is weirdly like outsmarting a hairy toddler, I must say. I need five more minutes of me time. Mommy needs it.
01:40:05
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so yeah ah He's smart. right and He's just very smart. yeah oh So cute though.
01:40:17
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All right. Well, we'll catch you next week. Sorry. Yeah. Thanks for tuning in. All right. Until next time. Keep it cryptic. Bye bye. And keep your Gordo out of your room.
01:40:50
Speaker
ah before work oh my god and before we know it we'll have to pee and charge our phones or our laptop oh my laptops are already plugged in because it was like smart smart uh okay ready yeah good okay kick you out Like it how he lays when I say, Oh, he went into the corner. This is what he's doing. He's like smushing his head into the wall in the corner and that's how he's looking at you. And I'm like, how is that fucking comfortable? Look at my butt. Yeah. And he'll, I don't know. Hours. Fenrir will like put his back into
01:41:34
Speaker
It looks like it's sticking into the corner of the couch. And I don't know. I'm like, is that just fluff? Like, how are you sleeping with a corner in the middle of your back? Yeah. Anyway, the corner.
01:41:49
Speaker
I just find it funny because most of the time Gordo, because of his size, I find he he stretches out, he lays down with like his sides or his stomach exposed a lot more than I've ever seen another cat do. um So when I'm up here, I'm just like, why are you more stretched out? He just always makes himself so small. Why? He's a fatty cat. No.
01:42:15
Speaker
but or It's just a big boy. You're a big boy. Our big boy has a tummy that he likes to let hang loose sometimes. Yeah. All right.
01:42:32
Speaker
Gordo, you gotta to calm your tail. Your tail's gotta not do the flickies. It's hitting the laptop buttons. Don't kick me. Fuck.
01:42:44
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you're being you've got a bitchy attitude El Gordo don't make me call you the fat man ah you got to keep in your space buddy it's flicking his tail so so mad at me
01:43:10
Speaker
sortdo Can you see less disruptive? Jesus Christ. Yeah, he's shaking the screen. Buddy. Okay. You gotta go. It's too much.
01:43:25
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so okay
01:43:33
Speaker
Much like a furry toddler. He must be. exercised from the room but yeah i got a gotta gotta get a priest to bless it the water in his squirt bottle spray bottle fucking holy water yes he's he's a toddler having a tantrum just drives me insane
01:44:03
Speaker
Are you kidding? I feel like I'm like, wait, I feel like ah Lucy or someone on wine and crime. I'm like, I think I got one sentence in. No, ah no, because sometimes if he starts going too much or thumping too much, I can't even hear you talk. Like, that's fair.
01:44:20
Speaker
yeah i can't even hear you tangent yeah all right he's been chucked he's been evicted he's been voted off the island oh i can't remember what they say on big brother is that the one you're evicted oh that would make i think so i didn't really watch much of that one but i have been watching love is blind okay
01:45:06
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01:45:09
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