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205: Telepathy Talk: Claims and Controversy
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Happy Holidays, here is your second helping of psychic stuff! We love talking about parapsychology, and of course, we are not the only ones. So Alanna's topic of the day is telepathy; trying to test it, a brief history of our fascination with it, and into the most recent claims and controversies!
After some minor Game of Thrones spoilers (its old, come on, it's ok ), we dig into some topics discussed on the Telepathy Tapes Podcast and the response to both it's popularity, and some pushback against it. So some spoilers for that podcast too, as we talk about how we can try and do better in testing in the future, and in education for people with special needs. We did our best to be respectful as we navigated this touchy subject, so please listen with care as well, as you all do! There's a mention of a banned Ted Talk, which can happen, we guess! Don't ban us lol, we are just asking some questions and trying to teach ourselves lol. Don't put us on the dark web! We love you all and hope you have a safe and Happy New Year!
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Return from Break - Segues and Laughter
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Well, we're back. a
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We hope you are too.
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they just We take the break and then I'll have a listen. no I was like, a segue? I don't know.
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What am I doing? can't really remember what we last said exactly.
Exploring Telepathy Stories
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I think you said we were gonna get into like the don't know like controversies or people that don't believe it yeah that might be the better word couldn't really remember yeah I was like trying to do some sort of research you know you're typing in things like telepathy tests and then like um things like that and yeah it would run a across like I think I have a mention just have a someone who had kind of like a blog whatever and they're trying to work their own mental muscle and see if they can develop their own like powers or whatever and stuff like that and just seeing if you can work at it and and uh yeah they had some stuff where they're like oh yeah you have you ever like
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where you're thinking about something and then a second later, like somebody like your family member or your spouse or someone says it out loud. You're like, wait a minute. Did you, did I just think that? Or did you just think that? And I was like, oh, that kind of feels familiar. Like, I feel like I've had that happen before. I was like, that's interesting to think of that. Maybe you're picking up their radio waves or something.
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Yeah. feel like, great minds think alike. Yeah. it's Yeah, it's something where you're just like, Oh, just interesting to consider that.
Guest Introduction: Eileen Lamb on Autism
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okay
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So yeah, one of the other articles or sources I read was by a person named Eileen Lamb. o That sounds an awful lot like a true crime.
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Not a Lisa Lamb. That's the case with the Cecil Hotel. But I mean, Lim and ah yeah, i found that their website is called the Autism Cafe. Okay.
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okay Yeah. So she kind of has her own firsthand experience as her bio states on autism with her own family and stuff.
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she has also written some books such as something called all across the spectrum spectrum and something called what a book called be the one and then was also describing herself as a podcaster photographer director of social media at autism speaks and founder of the autism cafe um okay i've heard of autism before yeah oh yes that one i have heard of yeah it's like a charity foundation thing right that's like one of the biggest ones for autism that would make sense some sort of organization like in support of yes I believe so um but I hadn't heard of her like website but I just wanted to give some of like
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how she identifies and that might be kind of where she's coming from with her experience with autism and stuff. Um, cause she says that she has two sons and a daughter and they're the focus of her content. And she's blogging about like in her words, the ups and downs of raising two children with autism, one with profound autism while being on the autism spectrum herself. So, um,
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oh She must know more what she's talking about than I do on a first-hand basis. Yeah, that seems like a very first-hand experience, both with yourself and then... Yeah.
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Yeah, not just being a parent of a child with autism, but having autism yourself, and then your children having autism as well. That's definitely... probably you unique perspective ah right and i'm like trying to kind of get some varying sources from academic to like this seems more like yeah hands-on or personal um stuff but yeah so she did put an article and it was the telepathy called the telepathy tapes podcast misguided hope or calculated pseudoscience okay so
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um to relay her thoughts she ah took some issue with uh some of the use of the third party facilitators usually the parents and the ones you know holding the boards and stuff as we kind of touched upon on the podcast um yeah such as moms with their spelling boards and she made mention of them using a ouija board at one point which i didn't recall when my listening to the first season but i don't know so yeah sometimes there's like throwaway lines where you're like okay well but um weird yeah there's plenty of like alphabet boards and stuff that could be used without you having to use a ouija board
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Right.
Critique of Facilitated Communication
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You can buy the ones. I think I saw one at Walmart the other day and it's just like the little letter buttons and you can use, put them on the floor for the pets to use and stuff. Yeah. They're just simple yeah buttons, letters and yeah, sometimes.
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Um, so, uh, this lady Eileen lamb says the evidence is not there. She does not find that the evidence is presented in the podcast.
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um stating that the children could only communicate with a specific person in the room and the same person who already knows the answers to the questions being asked. um ah She said the host tried to justify this as claiming it only works if you believe in it, in her words, and that that was weak, which I thought it was a bit okay, harsh to say that because I didn't...
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That's not how I kind of took it as the that the host was like, oh, when it doesn't work, it's because you guys don't believe in it. Like, I didn't feel like she was giving those sort of vibes.
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oh I think it's ah i think it felt like this description was a bit dismissive of the podcast. I don't know. But her, it's her opinion.
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Yeah, not everybody like experiences the same thing. No. and Yeah, exactly. We're coming at it from a different place and stuff. And I think there's a TikTok sound. I always hear on other podcasts where people like, it's my opinion.
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I'm like, I don't know if that's a real housewife or something, but yes. I have no idea. It's legit. It's a legit thing to say that is something's your opinion. Yeah.
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ah so what do i have here? So the more... and unbelievable some of the stories and claims can get the harder some of the tests are to replicate as she was kind of pointing out um and it is it's some stories on there very much anecdotal like this mom talking about watching a tv program downstairs like some a documentary or something and then it's like getting a thought in her head and then it's like oh well how's that show or whatever to the mom and then it's like
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um the kid was like oh yeah I know you're watching that documentary about blah blah blah blah blah because the kid apparently read it from her mind who was watching the show and like downloaded all the information from her and it's just like oh okay like you and if you hear a parent telling an anecdotal story like that like there's no way you can like really prove or disprove it but ah yeah you can believe them or not believe them in how sincere they are telling the story I guess Yeah, that's a little...
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It's different. Yeah, I don't really know how to take that. it is. It's hard because, yeah, and then when you're... I feel like you can get caught up, kind of, listening to it one episode after another where it's just, like, all this positive evidence reinforcement, kind of you're like, wow, that's so cool.
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And if that's real, then that's so cool. But you do have to kind of stop and be like... Hmm. yeah. And then there's like other information that would kind of come up from what the host Kai would say, like organically, from different kids that they would talk to that obviously they're like going and meeting with one kid and then their family and and then another kid, they're not like doing it all the big room, but then different things, themes would come up about like, people would be like, oh yeah, we go and we talk and we meet and we talk mind to mind in a place called the hill.
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And then like, you could hear she was surprised by like one person that said that she was like at this point I hadn't talked to anybody ah like, you know, talk to this new person about this term. And then they brought it up like, oh yeah, the kids said they talked on the hill. And so she was like, oh, that's really cool. Like apparently multiple sources were like talking about the same place.
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And like, it's like, how could they all know about that if they're not all meeting on this? Like, you know. ESP place that we don't know about It is. It's very weird sounding and it's so hard to like swallow.
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But at the same time, it is very intriguing. ah I will admit, I find it very intriguing when I was listening to it. Like, cool. Okay.
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you So to kind of sum up with this, the lamb lady of the autism cafe website and whatnot, She said it's of her opinion that it's kind of unfortunate that parents who are, in her words, desperate for hope are naively eating it up, meaning this these claims from the the show. Oh, okay.
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And she's, like, empathizing, saying, like, of course I understand anybody would do anything for their child, yeah like any loving parent would. to be able to communicate with your child's.
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Yeah, that maybe they would believe anything. Yeah, sort of. I feel like, yeah, if you're listening to it and stuff and thinking, oh yeah, well, we'll just do that because that's possible. But it's like, no, it takes like time and effort to, just like everybody does, like make a bond with your kids and stuff. Yeah, of course it's on an individual basis. Yeah,
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Whereas if you're banking on, like, you just being able to telepathically, magically read
Skepticism and Concerns Around Communication Methods
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their minds instead of putting in effort to learn how to support your child. I can see how that would be, like, concerning.
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Right. In the way that, like, you know, get rich, quick schemes seem like good ideas. it' a mean Yeah. It's a means to If it's too good to be true, it probably is. Right.
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Or in the way of when you were explaining that it reminds me of like, when you sort of read about a medical diagnosis or yeah, like a tick talk about having ADHD or autism traits. And then you're like, all of a sudden you're identifying with these symptoms and things. Yeah.
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Yeah. Kind of a confirmation bias maybe. Yeah, maybe. um Yeah. And all that to say, obviously we don't want to just try to be sensitive to everybody involved, the parents, that the children, et cetera, the podcasters. um But yeah, they were positing that the harm is that what if it detracts from real evidence-based progress for their kids?
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Kind of like just getting them that, on both sides they seem to want the kids to get a better education than they're getting the non-verbal kids are getting so yeah i'm sure there's not enough like what between caregivers and teachers aides and like speech therapists and uh all that stuff that's yeah available for how many kids like truly would actually need the support if like enough of them were getting properly,
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like, diagnosed and not so many of them probably, like, falling through the cracks and stuff. Like, they talk about, but oh, yeah, like, decades ago, nobody or hardly anybody had autism. And it's like,
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Hundreds of thousands of them probably did, but nobody was getting diagnosed with anything. like There's different severities dozen of things and ways of displays and stuff. Exactly.
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people learn to cope. didn't talk about mental Yeah, people learn to cope or you just think, oh, that's just that person and not necessarily that it could have been like something that they might have struggled with or could have been done differently.
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I just was thinking about, um like from a medieval point of view, I guess, sort of the like Game Thrones storyline where you find out why Hodor has always called himself Hodor and that's the only word he can say because of trauma. Yeah. and He has to hold that door and you're like, yeah, we really didn't get trauma back in the day. No. No.
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oh No, we didn't. I feel like we didn't get much of anything. And it's still very much a work in progress. Almost everything is still stigmatized and like all that kind of stuff, which.
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Yeah, that's really unfortunate, but. oh yeah. want no i shows We were watching. It's like, oh, it's the 80s. We didn't talk about mental health. It's like, yeah, even that long, you know, short of a time ago.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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So to ah yeah to kind of dive into more of that, there are a lot of sources that say these types of methods that they're apparently using are um facilitated communications that are a discredited sort of technique. according to the American Speech Language Hearing Association, which I abbreviated as Hearing Ass, because I'm hearing ass.
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It's probably tired of typing. um But yeah, they take issue. They take umbrage with the Facilitated Communication, or FC, which they say is an intervention in which the service provider, a facilitator, quote unquote, holds the participants' hands, wrists, or arms to help him or her spelled messages on a keyboard or a board with printed letters.
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um Important features of facilitated communication incute include physical support and stabilization, acceptance, and emotional encouragement to initiate communication interactions.
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um It is stated by FC experts that a facilitator should never lead the learner to type, The goal of the intervention should be independent communication with the use of the keyboard.
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So that's what they have to say on it.
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Yeah. Makes sense, I guess.
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Um, and maybe that's just the part that's hard to kind of recreate in a certain settings. i don't know.
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Um,
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they yeah they have different examples they definitely give you the names of uh this parent child duo they also had a book because i was literally looking up the telepathy tapes reading list or whatever trying to see if i get any of the books from it not like kind of for my own reading after i was done the notes and stuff too just interesting but But the parent-child duo that has a book here, they were called Kate and Hudson. And Kate, the mom, usually holds the board perfectly still for him and he spells. So, like, a lot of them seem to do it in a way where I don't... I just don't wouldn't have a really a problem with that if they were just holding the board. don't see that I would... but like... i don't know. feel like I look at it like how...
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if they can touch a board or point to stuff, why does somebody need to hold the board? Why can't the board be stationary and they can move unless that's not possible for them to move. and that And then that just means you literally can't do that because you're moving the board then.
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If they aren't able to have the board stationary and you touch the letters, then that means... Right. You're moving the board in order for them to touch the letter. Right. So you have to be holding the board. So you're involved.
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Yeah. Like you're involved. You'd have to be at some point. Otherwise, they could just have the board sitting in front of them in some way or however they need to have it that they could touch it themselves and you could be.
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standing off to the side or whatever, not involved. But like, if you actually have to be moving the board, then you're involved. Right. Or if you're holding the board, yeah, you could be moving the board or whatever. Yeah.
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Um, yeah, I think the only thing I might have that kind of might touch on that would be there's, I wrote down some quotes from a, one of my favorite episodes was quotes from the,
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speaker the non-speakers um so it's like okay it's supposed to be yeah that people being like what like what would you say through the board get you know to all these people that are like interested and one of them yeah maybe I could just kind of fast forward to that because that's really i mean anyone can obviously listen to the whole podcast themselves or related oh Yeah.
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Podcast. Cause some of it does kind of go ah severely off into different directions than this kind of main focus.
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You mean they have tangents too? Well, it's just not all. It's like I said, sometimes they're like, Oh, you know, and then you talk end up talking to people that are like, can dogs know when we're coming home and that kind of stuff. And like, yeah,
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Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm trying to remember why in the same episode, they had a mention of this parrot that met Jane Goodall, um you know, the ape lady or whatever, the chimp girl. And the parrot said like, Oh no, Jane said, you must be Nikesi. I've heard a lot about you.
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And the parrot apparently replied, that's Jane got a chimp. And they said, I know this is the wildest just random anecdote. And they said the birds had seen pictures of Jane Goodall, but i had never said the word chimp before. So they thought it was interesting. um So yeah, it'll just go directions where you're like, all right.
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I don't know what to do with that information. ah i don't know what time. So sorry. It's in your head now. Yeah.
00:21:16
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I love parrots like that though. All those birds that just. They're very smart. they're so fucking smart they swear birds yeah birds apparently are all sounds like very smart a few people i work with have had uh birds and my parents actually used to have a couple birds as pets okay yeah a long time ago um yeah it's interesting especially the ones in the the corvid family the ravens and the jays and stuff and they can
00:21:51
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I heard someone talk about podcasts the other day that they can recognize your face. And they're like, how do you know? I'm like, cause they did tests where like people would come with a mask and then like the next generation would know to be like, avoid the guy with the mask. Cause he's a dick or whatever. source so yeah.
00:22:08
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oh Yeah. Which really makes you think how, what is and how we do we communicate or how do animals communicate like that?
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It's crazy.
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Sorry, there's a little bit more about the bird, but none of mine always make get a lot of sense out of context anymore to me. Oh, no worries.
00:22:33
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They talked about when this great guy, no, this doesn't even make sense, but just wo it was the same one with Jane Goodall. And there was this guy who was really friends with the elephants or whatever, named Lawrence Anthony. And then he like died on March 4th. And then apparently they kept like migrating every march 4th to commemorate his death they would like go to this one place and like where he died um or him or something and you're like what why are elephants so smart and how you know they have like grief rituals and stuff yeah it just boggles the mind
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okay okay so
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Oh yeah. A TED talk by the guy alleging all these animal psychic stuff as was banned. Apparently. i've never heard of a TED talk. Oh jeez. Yeah, it was called the Science dilu Dilution. hu They played a clip of it, so I wrote it down. There's a conflict in the heart of science between science as a method of inquiry based on reason, evidence,
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hypothesis and collective investigation and science as a belief system or a worldview and unfortunately the worldview aspect of science has come to inhibit and constrict the free inquiry which is the very lifeblood of the scientific endeavor which i think i understand because science can sometimes be very not open to new yeah scientific it can hold itself back Yeah. Scientists, I don't think, like to be proven wrong any more than anyone else.
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and so No, it's kind of like when you get, you know, like the old way of thinking isn't always the best way. Sometimes somebody comes along and has ah a better idea or a new way to do something.
00:24:35
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Right. if you're stopping that because of like ego or because no, you can't change something after it's been... done a certain way for a long time that's when you have like a problem because we are pretty adverse to change we don't deal with it easily as humans all the time it's it's a slow go yeah we like consistency and well i think that's why you need that in their pure forms the balance between like the
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conservative versus the liberal or the the the essential of those like keep keep what's worked for us but change what needs to be changed and that's kind of that balance between the two that you're trying to have
Concept of 'The Hill' and Posthumous Communication
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uh
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oh yeah speak were you speaking of dreaming earlier yeah there was one i think we were talking about it when we were Talking about my segment from before?
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Ah, yes. Yeah. There was a duo parent-child or whatever where they apparently mostly he sent or communicated through dreams. So there's just, there was some... Oh, okay.
00:25:55
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Definitely different ways it seemed to present from different people they talked to. And then, yes, the... Sorry. Sorry. the like episode, the season one finale, or think it was the last one was the episode 10 in their words, messages from the non-speakers, which had some, um, pretty cool quotes.
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And I don't know, there was it was just interesting to listen through and kind of feel like you've got to know some of the, the moms and stuff and, and yeah, yeah, there was the mom, this one guy who, and then he was,
00:26:35
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all romantic. I think you might have a quote from him because he was all in love with his girlfriend and it was all very sweet. And then there was some tragic parts and it just was all very touching. Be careful with your, on your period when you listen to it. No, or whatever.
00:26:53
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He can really get to you. Um, so from one nonverbal speaker, whose name was Josiah, trying to write down all their names, his first sentence to his mom, uh,
00:27:04
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Tawny was God is a good gift giver and then um he had related a message what was he said auntie told an angel to tell me and his um auntie was what Tawny's great aunt was called and she had died at 89 before he was born so it was kind of like one of those from beyond the grave messages or signs maybe Um, maybe one of those.
00:27:35
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i don't know. It's kind of weird. When they're like, kid sees like a grandpa and they like describe him they're like, my grandpa died before you were born, you know? Yeah.
00:27:48
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Could say some creepy stuff sometimes. Yeah. Oh, love a creepy kid. Um,
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um, yeah, that kid would tend to write in Proverbs. which a linguist said didn't resemble any language style they'd ever seen. he apparently had alleged prophet prophetic thoughts. Oh, prophetic dreams. That was a theme. Your guy had the, yeah. yeah Dreams about the future. Oh yeah,
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I was just, I'm trying to remember what I was meaning when I just jotted down some very private things that he would know about her and others. Cause when you're a mind reader, you might accidentally learn some stuff like, Oh, poor Sookie Stackhouse or any other depiction where you're like, they're so plagued by hearing other people's thoughts. It sounds awful. Yeah.
00:28:52
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Oh yeah. So that's, I was just kind of talking about this guy. His name was John Paul. He wanted to be his mom said he wanted to be a writer and marry his girlfriend Lily who was another nonverbal um autistic and they you know had their whole like mind-to-mind conversations apparently like his mom said they didn't even be in the same room together when they would go for visits but they'd be like oh we just had a big like long talk and you were like okay cool and he
00:29:24
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and he And this guy named Houston and Lily would all apparently hang on the hill all the time, that place they talked about. And so this quote was from Lily. She said, you go to the hill to meet with other non-speakers and share thoughts. You automatically have access to the hill non-speakers go to when you communicate mind to mind. So it's just like everybody gets a free pass, I guess.
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If you can communicate that way. Yeah. tune into this channel, I don't know if it's true but this was a really rough one when they talked about it in the episode because um John Paul who was her adult autistic son had a seizure one night and drowned in their hot tub so oh jeez it like rippled through the community of parents and kids um
00:30:21
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his friend Houston's mom said she got the news from JP's mom, Lily. It was like, it seemed like the kids got messages from John Paul that he knew he was going to go.
00:30:35
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um ah I'm trying to make this sense of my notes. here Sorry. JP's mom's name is Lily.
00:30:47
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no, JP's girlfriend's name is Lily. His mom's name is Libby. That's confusing. And why I'm sorry. Um, but it was weird. Like it was like, it seemed like an example of the kids knowing before they were told by the mom that John Paul had died. Um, well okay. So who said this before she could?
00:31:10
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Oh, Houston's mom, his friend, Houston's mom, uh had been called by jp's mom to say that he had passed um and before she could tell houston he said he spelled john paul is finally free then john paul said i a son of god am home make your whole life about love so he had like sent out these messages knowing that he was gonna pass and and told his friends like via mind to mind apparently weird
00:31:41
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weird and sad and it was just a really um yeah tough one to listen to and his girlfriend lily said or spelled out just as he passed i felt him go totally felt as though all worldly cares vanished and now real life was a blur wanted to go with him but needed to stay to share the story of our love which almost broke me into tears um Lily also said she can still speak to him. He is like energy.
00:32:14
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He told her to tell Libby, like his mom, that he is happy and whole and that everyone cared for him so well in his life.
00:32:23
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And they said that people that have passed on can still visit the hill to talk in their minds. And they said they saw John Paul there and that he looked 10 feet tall and was surrounded by children in a cabin by the sea.
00:32:37
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which I was like, it was so cute and sweet though. Yeah.
00:32:46
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Yeah. There's a lot of like recurring themes of kind of being able to see to a heaven, like plane and things like that. Huh?
00:32:57
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I know it gets into some, some stuff, man, that we've like never even touched on here, but like, I I've heard about another podcast where like, It's almost like this like hall of records people can go to called like the Akashic records. I don't know why they it came up on this and i was like, I've heard about that, but never really known what that meant.
00:33:18
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Seems like a place of like, you could meditate to and get to with knowledge. I don't know.
00:33:30
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a hard time not writing down a lot of the sweet quotes. the apparent quotes from the kids. um Okay, last little bit here, last page.
00:33:43
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There was a lady, or a girl called Rose, whose quote was, I am too overwhelmed by happiness that people believe this is
Advocacy for Autism Understanding
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real. It is all real. Knowing that people are listening gives me hope that we can truly see. This is all that matters to me.
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and And one called, I think it was Modi said I am heart and soul in this conversation. i desire so much for us all. I desire a world that sees gifts in autism. Calling it a disability has never been accurate. We don't need a cure. we need support like anyone else. We are not broken. I love that more people are starting to see this. I am feeling in my heart and soul that it is changing. Oh,
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oh here's a Canadian quote. Andrew Smith from Toronto via his mom, Susan. Open your mind to the possibilities that information, knowledge, and wisdom are acquired through many means and available to us all. Move away from conventional ways of thinking about non-speaking autistic individuals and towards all that is possible. Be an ambassador.
00:34:45
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And he said on his experience, I'm here to show others a different way of being, one just of love and of living from that place. um Anyway. So it was all it very touching when you get to like the quotes part. it's so so hard for me to be like, that's a mom, like maybe making that up. I don't know. It's, it's, um it's like when you hear something that's like very touching and you just like want it to be true because it's like, oh, maybe humanity is advancing and getting better and all that stuff, you know? Yeah. would like to hope that,
00:35:23
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They're not manipulating it in some way, but... Yeah. Yeah.
00:35:31
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That's true. If I was spelling something, like, one letter at a time, or all that shit, I would not be saying words like ambassador and, like, all that shit.
00:35:42
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That's... Yeah. A lot times... kind of sway me i'm like so yeah they're like yeah yeah the certain language and everything that they're using unless they're saying that they're not voices come out of them like even if it's read by like a voice modulator like a you know how almost said Stephen King. Like Stephen Hawkinghead or something. Like, it's kind of like, you know what i mean? Like, it might not be their voice, but it's still being read out. And then you're, like, hearing these different things. you're like, that sounds like different personalities, man. Like, I don't know.
00:36:24
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Yeah. I don't know. I hope it's not manipulated, but I have a hard time believing Some of those would be the first message I was able to communicate after not being able to communicate with my parents is something about God and whatever, instead of being like, Oh yeah, that was a gift or something personal or being like, I love you or anything like that. Yeah. Well, yeah, there was one where I think they said they're like the, the parent,
00:37:00
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said the first time they were able to speak to them allegedly or whatever they said something like i am in here because there's so many times where they're like yeah not in there like that i can believe what they're yeah yeah yeah i don't know oh i don't know it was hard it was really hard not to like write down every freaking quote or everyone that made me want like cry was like i'm in here or like you know we love each other and love is everything that's all we need right now and i was like this is a message I need right now. I think we all need all this uplifting kind of stuff to kind of maybe hope towards it being true or aspire towards or whatever you want to call it. But yeah, I don't know.
00:37:48
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It's just rough out there right now, man. So yeah, if we could all at least try to um understand, if not like, believe and at least understand and support one another. Right. yeah If that makes any sense. Yeah.
00:38:07
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But. Yeah. That's pretty much, that's pretty much all I really got. but It's interesting. It's very interesting. It was really interesting to hear um your anecdote on, you know, the person, you know, and that's like,
00:38:28
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yeah i just interesting Yeah, it makes me believe in it a bit more, at least. like yeah I don't know, they talk about other stuff too. like People that um can tell other people's emotions. like You can tell somebody's having a bad day, whatever. i feel like maybe there's certain... Well, there's just certain things that when you have a relationship with somebody that you... can pick up on that you wouldn't necessarily have so that's true you get to know i can believe that like uh people are communicating in different ways other than just verbally but not maybe not necessarily projecting their thoughts directly into somebody's mind they're more picking picking up on the vibes or something
00:39:22
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exactly maybe there's some crossover yeah yeah yeah like an intuition or something like that that you can pick up on through like experience with somebody yeah yeah there's a lot of talk about gut feelings and intuition and how oh yeah we should pay attention to them and There's that whole book, The Gift of Fear, where they were like, sometimes yeah your body just knows. And I heard that one mentioned on many podcasts and stuff. Yeah.
00:39:59
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Yeah. Sometimes you can get get bad feelings about a situation or somebody, it's not always true. Sometimes you're
00:40:15
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misinterpreting or misjudging somebody, but yeah you'd be surprised how often it can be correct which think is just like a survival instinct um yeah you're just out there wondering what's that person's story and then you get it right um no you are you made me think of something else though i really and think it was the teacher's episode was one of the other ones i really enjoyed there was this older british lady um she said her name was jess which made me think of um
00:40:48
Speaker
Jessica Day from New Girl. who teacher Yeah. Because she's a teacher on that show. But when you just said some, how you said something and about, I can't remember now, but it made me think of the one where i was like, oh, because like, because sometimes they can be, maybe they're nonverbal at some point in their lives, but not at another, like maybe they develop a bit more language or whatever, like you experienced. And they, yeah, the teacher named Jess from somewhere in Britain, I think she told a story I can't remember the exact details, but it was like, one of the kids had ah kids that was in her nonverbal group had a bit of language and he was like beaming a thought at her or something about like, she was like, it seems like they're playing a game where they know all the rules on the playground, but like, they're not talking to each other. And then like, apparently the kid was like trying to beam a thought at her that was like, yeah, we're playing a game or something, something along those lines. And then like when the kid that could talk,
00:41:48
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said something to her out loud. He was like, and then he like said it, let's see the kids. He was like, she got it. She heard us. And I was like, wait, it was this whole group of kids like talking in their minds. And then like the, you know, the teacher's like, I'm not on your way blank. And they just think it's so hard at her or something that she picked something up. up I don't know. It was just like, it just picture an old British lady telling you that story. And so sweet and cute. I promise you it was much better than my ah terrible retelling, but I don't know. It's just interesting. You just like, Oh, weird. Like how so many people have all these little anecdotes, right? Like,
00:42:34
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and obviously we probably all want to believe but it's just yeah yeah it's hard to say m for sure um but yeah any who's it we'll be back next time with some forgery crimes i think i couldn't even remember what our next episode was about I'm in post-Christmas pre-Mexico vacation mode, okay?
Holiday Plans and Anecdotes
00:43:04
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i'm ready I'm already on a beach somewhere, four drinks in you. She may be in a food coma. I may be physically here, but my mind is not here. It's already on vacation.
00:43:16
Speaker
Oh, the vacation brain is a real thing, yeah. It's like two weeks away. oh yeah, my brain will just check right the fuck out. Yeah, we leave on we leave on the 7th of January, so it's one two two and a half weeks away of us recording this.
00:43:39
Speaker
I don't know when this will get released, but... Well, it's, yeah, Christmas Day-ish when you're hearing this, because we realized Christmas Eve was the third week.
00:43:55
Speaker
No, no, Christmas Day a Thursday. ah I keep thinking Christmas is Tuesday, but it's Thursday. You're right. I know. i have Wednesday off, too. So I'm like, oh, okay. i work Monday and Tuesday. Yeah.
00:44:10
Speaker
Yeah, so do I. That's why I'm all messed up. I keep thinking I'm working Christmas Eve, but I'm not. I'm off Christmas Eve and Christmas Day. Oh, my God. You're messed up. We just started the January freaking registration renewals. Yeah. Now I don't know what year I'm renewing to. I'm at work going, okay, so it's, you're an expiry January, 2026. Okay. We renew you to 2027, except literally all year, anything expiring 2026, we've been rejecting. So it's just like that cusp time where it's like, it's also really confusing at work because of that.
00:44:45
Speaker
I put the date on something at work and it was like, when's our next meeting for something? And it was supposed to be January, 2026. put January, 2025 and went, nope.
00:44:55
Speaker
Exactly. It's exactly like that. That was in the past. Rejected a bunch of profiles saying, oh, your registration's good. You're already renewed. And then they were like, here's a list of like 500 people that we probably accidentally emailed that they were good to go.
00:45:13
Speaker
And I'm like, Talia's just one of the other phone agents that doesn't work on these. And she's like, couldn't that just have been like a oopsie email? Like, oops, you guys might've got one in error. I'm like, yeah, I don't know why we have to fucking call them all. but of them are like, what are you talking about? we don't read our emails. We're like, yeah. Yeah.
00:45:34
Speaker
Just send an email saying, nope, oops, sorry. Yeah. Or if they have questions about the first email, they'll fucking call us. Don't you worry. yeah it was so stupid was like giant excel spreadsheet i was like i think halfway through i just got annoyed and was like i'm not fucking calling every one of these people i'm processing their thing if it needs done and i'm noting it on the spreadsheet and yeah yeah that sucks people get too many emails nowadays i looked that's why they don't look at our emails because they say we send too many sorry um
00:46:12
Speaker
I looked at my email today and I normally look at it on my phone, but every few days I check it on my laptop because my phone kind of has hides the spam folder.
00:46:23
Speaker
So like every few days I have to go through my spam folder on my laptop. And today I had like nine spam emails from freaking phishing links.
00:46:34
Speaker
And every single time it's like a few minutes apart, every single one of them. And it's something about like, um My iCloud payment didn't go through. so all my photos and videos are going to get deleted. So click here to update the payment info. And I was like, fuck off. I haven't had iCloud.
00:46:54
Speaker
haven't had fucking the cloud and backup my photos there or a pay method with you guys in 12 years. So like, fuck off. not Your targeted ads are not so targeted anymore. That prepaid credit card that was a Visa, MasterCard, whatever, that I had on your account, yeah, that should have stopped letting you pay with it over 10 years ago. So why are you... Yes.
00:47:20
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know how they got my thing, but every single time they send me one of the emails... on my email address is part of their email address but they've like added yeah so it'll say like my email address and then instead of it like at gmail.com it'll have like a bunch of random letters at the end and then that's like the email address so that it comes through as a trusted sender because it it's only reading the first part, which is my email address. So it's thinking oh my god I'm sending it to myself. So it always comes through as a trusted sender.
00:47:56
Speaker
so i have to like block it And when I click block, it keeps coming up that like I'm basically blocking myself because the email address is so long. It like won't show the whole thing. so basically just keep saying like, would you like to block this person? And I was like, yeah, but it looks like i'm blocking myself like 30 times a day.
00:48:15
Speaker
Stop blocking yourself. Stop blocking yourself. ah ah why ah no Why do I have to get that one? i missed the one I got the one time that was ah said it was from fucking Leonardo DiCaprio and Elon Musk trying to save me money on my oh energy bill or something. Oh, yeah, sure.
00:48:40
Speaker
but That one was at least fun and creative. This one is not. It's boring. They send me 19 emails two minutes apart. i mean, did Leo write that one? He's he's not very convincing. Right? It's great.
00:48:57
Speaker
at least be creative. Come on. Give me some different spam ones instead of just fucking, your cloud is full. We're going to do your pictures. Boring. The way and create they but they try to trick us with those at work now. And then I heard from a friend that if you do accidentally, you know, click on a link instead of clicking, this is a phishing attempt.
00:49:18
Speaker
You will have a meeting with fucking HR. Like, They are like, have to. You're like, well, stop fucking sending your stupid phishing attempts, especially right around the time you send our like Christmas bonus and Christmas card with gift card and then be like, oh, by the way, HR needs your new address. And then like basically played on people's desperation being like, oh, well, I want to make sure I get my freaking Christmas bonus and gift card.
00:49:42
Speaker
No, phishing attempt. Fucking targeted. Like, yeah. it's a test they did that when i worked there and one somebody from my somebody from my department clicked on one of the things and yeah he got a phone call about it used to be i just oh i got some extra training yeah somebody was like i had to fucking sit with an hr meeting i was like oh my god yeah that's a bit much you have too much time on your hands right that's not necessary
00:50:14
Speaker
Of course they do. They have time to have us sit for a two-hour town hall meeting. We'll try not to talk too much. Yeah, me every podcast. This episode would have three hours long.
00:50:32
Speaker
with all our chat? Yeah. Oh, like four hours long with... We had like 20 minutes of chat before this one. yeah we had some and then sometimes people are like i'm starving or they come back from break they're like we just had our food and like yes does podcasting always make you so hungry we just have for supper guys um anyway um hope you're having your lovely holiday dinner with all the fillings and trimmings and
00:51:03
Speaker
Yep. Everybody's having a good time. Happy holidays. Happy New Year. Soon to be 2026. Hope we kept you some company today. Yeah. Somehow.
00:51:16
Speaker
Even though it was a bit heavy subject matter wise, I'm sorry. was interesting though. Thank you. I'm glad you thought Something to think on.
00:51:28
Speaker
i feel like. It's like. Food. Food for thought. Yeah.
00:51:35
Speaker
Yeah. All right, go wash down with some eggnog. We'll see you early, maybe ah sometime early January. And then, yeah, we've got some travels and some business going on. So we'll probably catch you maybe a couple times in January. And then maybe back to our sort of semi-regular scheduled programming.
00:52:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's been crazy. we're not going anywhere, though. We're just, you know, we're around. it Maybe a bit more sporadic sometimes than usual. Yeah. but We hope you still enjoy, and thanks for tuning in Yeah, baby.
00:52:23
Speaker
I don't know. why by
00:52:29
Speaker
oh boy