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Best and Worst Movies of 2024
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris look back at 2024 and talk about some of their picks for the best and worst movies of 2024.
On the best side, there are movies like Dune: Part Two, Deadpool & Wolverine, Bad Boys: Ride or Die, The Fall Guy, Late Night with the Devil, and Alien: Romulus. Some of the guys' least favorite movies include Argylle, Joker: Folie a Deux , and Rebel Moon: Part Two—The Scargiver. Let us know what some of your favorite and least favorite movies of 2024 were.
Next week, we're getting ready for Den of Thieves 2: Pantera by diving into the original Den of Thieves from 2018.
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Introduction and 2024 Movie Overview
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the podcast for the week of December 30th, 2024. I'm your host, Zach. I'm your co-host, Chris. And yeah, actually for us, it's 2025, so happy New Year, everybody.
00:00:32
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And before we kick off things in 25, we're going to look back at 2024 and talk about some of our favorite and least favorite movies of the year. um There was a ton you know obviously a ton of stuff came out. A lot of it great, some of it really bad. Most of it ah kind of meh or fine. I think we were talking before we started, Chris, but like there were so many movies that were just like, eh, that's fine. It's a perfectly prominent movie. Yeah.
Impact of Strikes on Movie Releases
00:01:01
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A lot of these movies this year were either like especially the like I don't know big me blockbusters they kind of just went like for safe like in the middle there wasn't anything that was too like mind-blowing wow you need to see it like two times in a theater like a Avengers endgame well there's only I mean terror there was one Marvel movie yeah but like even then
00:01:31
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And I think it was we also, I mean, it was also like, you know, the strike happened your previous. So there was a lot of like delays and movies. Like I think this coming year in 25, there's going to be a lot of stuff that was supposed to come out like this year last year, 24. But it got delayed because of strike and, you know, other everything else happened. So. Yeah, we're probably going to get like a huge back like order of movies that just had on the shelf or just because like CDI wasn't done or that reshoots.
00:02:01
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Uh, I feel like this year was the last of those like movies that sat on the shelf because of COVID. Well, there was, there was like, there was like huge, there was like some weekends where I was like, basically like no movie came out. There's like, we just, we just abandoned like this entire month or like this, this like these couple of weeks, like there's no studios, just like we're done. I think, I think, I think like, I think August, like this year, like last year, 24 hours was less like,
00:02:30
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Nope, no movies are coming out. Sorry. Check in the fall. I feel like August was um like leftover movies. That's like, Oh, that was taught like a kids movies, movies that we can think about. Well, usually it is, but then like, it was just like, that there was this, they were just like, nope, not even, not even like our leftovers. So we just have, we had nothing. and Really? give me Go watch
Chris's Favorite Movie and Its Influence
00:02:54
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Netflix or something. there
00:03:01
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But yeah, so why don't we jump in, um, and we'll get things off like each set, like kind of just talk about our, or, you know, talking about our favorite movie of the year, 24, and then we can kind of go off does other movies. Then we'll, you know, talk about some of the, uh, the, our least favorites later on. Yeah. But I like that format. But yeah, Chris, what was your, what was your, what were you saying is like your favorite movie of a 24?
00:03:26
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Uh, it's not, so not too surprising just from what we are. Um, I think my favorite is Deadpool and Wolverine. Just because like it was like a very cool, um, I guess like R rated comic movie. And then it was like respectful of everything to some degree. Like it did not respect Logan's ending, but um it totally brought like and an awareness to like, oh, this movie can be silly and still be good. Yeah, you know, like it it didn't have to follow the rules because it is Deadpool. But I like that maybe the inspiration hopefully is that other comic movies can just kind of have fun with it again and not try to be like, I don't know, like a morality lesson. And I don't know what the morality in Deadpool 2 was like, just like,
00:04:23
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be a mercenary again. You know, like it it was just like having goofiness and then having like, you know, the message of trying to get like Hugh Jackman back in the series. And I was like, I'm all for that. That was like, a good movie experience. Now, if it it came to streaming, if this was a TV show, it's still have been fine. But I think because I saw this in theaters, that's why it holds higher in my mind.
00:04:47
Speaker
Yeah, definitely, it definitely, you know, geared for like all interactions, like when all the all the legacy characters show up, Blade, Elektra. We chant hate and finally show up as Gambit.
00:05:01
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Yeah, yeah, those those like those are cool experience, like cool things. um I think I was trying to avoid like spoilers from left and right. And like I saw an opening weekend, so that was like,
00:05:15
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I was looking forward to just keeping that um like in I think if I saw this movie at home after the internet spoil a few things, it might be a little bit different, but yeah seeing in theaters.
Theater Experience vs. Streaming
00:05:28
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And actually, it wasn't a huge pack theater I saw it in. It was very like reasonable crowd, and everyone was like respectful. There wasn't like a baby being brought in.
00:05:39
Speaker
Don't you bring your kids that are rated like yeah even though that happened that happened at Deadpool one I saw that in theaters and some asshole brought his like He's like five-year-old or something like some young kid who did not get like the violence in unity. Yeah I People are people just see like oh, it's a superhero movie. I'll be my kids It's like there's ratings look at the ratings Yeah Wait, it was yeah, definitely Super great. um
Marvel's Future and Current Issues
00:06:10
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Great. Great. Just like kind of like, you know, it's the end cap and like to send off to like the legacy kind of Fox Marvel universe with X-Men and yeah, Electro and all that stuff. All those movies Daredevil. Fantastic Four. Yeah. It's definitely um like it gives me hope for the Marvel MCU u again.
00:06:37
Speaker
Hopefully we'll see. We got yeah two, I think two big MCU movies this year. We got, or 25, we got Captain America, New World Order, and Thunderbolts.
00:06:50
Speaker
ah Hopefully they all have a good follow up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully definitely. It's not the anomaly and then and like everything we're, so then we get back to like, kind of like the not so great MCU stuff we've been seeing the last couple of years. Yeah, essentially just becomes like um low stakes Marvel movies where basically every movie sort of just happens and nothing's connected. I hope that doesn't happen. I mean,
00:07:21
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um I still think about the Eternals and how there's a giant celestial thing coming out of the ocean and yup like no one's commented on that in any of the movies since then. That was like three years ago. Last season, lastie somewhat what f was trying to make the Eternals still a thing, but they're the only ones. That wasn't so bad. I saw that episode.
00:07:44
Speaker
Well, there's two episodes. The one where it was like the Agatha and Camille episode. And then there was the but episode where one of the Tiamat actually explodes first off the Earth, which I guess then Mysterio takes over the Earth.
00:08:06
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Didn't mind that.
Dune Part Two and Denis Villeneuve's Mastery
00:08:10
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But yeah, Depot Wolverine was my ah pick for so ah second best movie or second favorite movie of the year, which actually, if you head over to evidence.com, I have my top 10 best movie list and my top five worst movie list. If you want to have there read those, those are up the site. But my number one was Dune Part Two.
00:08:31
Speaker
OK, which did you you saw that, Chris? Yeah, yeah, that's in my top list. Yeah, just I mean, just that if you take that with the first movie, it's like one of the best like sci fi epics ever made. Like, I think it's it's something to make, like, like Santa's time along with like Star Wars and like The Matrix and whatever else you want to throw up against it or the rings like.
00:08:57
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And just the fact that like Daniel Villeneuve like like somehow adapted Dune and made it palatable to general audiences. because you because we i mean we will you know Obviously, last year we watched the David Lynch one for the podcast and that was like, you know they try to cram the entire book into two hours and it does not work.
00:09:17
Speaker
So a lot happens in that and like we just, you can't comprehend it. And there's so, and then so much weird, so much crazy stuff, especially in the back of that, of that book that, you know, don't do part two gets into what cell makes it. Um, you understand what's going on for the most part. And, um, I think, I think it makes it less weird. Like there's no, you know, there's no, um,
00:09:44
Speaker
Like, like, which which, which, which sister baby? I mean, they you get you you they tease it with like, that she's still kind of like, um you know, in like being but in like the womb and there's like the visions of her, but she doesn't get born and like grown like in like a week. It's like a little like psychic baby.
00:10:04
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not Yeah, we don't know what's going to happen now. Do messiahs come in and that's, that's, we, uh, probably even more nuts. But yeah, just visually, I mean, it's it's amazing all all the like the technology they've created for that universe in this this like version of it, with the ornacopters and the harvesters and all the way like the energy suits work. And I mean, cast all the cast is great. Austin Butler as Freya Routha, I mean, just crazy. like so So good, so so scary.
00:10:42
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like his, his voice, his voice. Yeah. And like his, his intro scene, um, is incredible that unlike the Harkin home world where it's like, basically it's like thermal imagery that they use, like shoot shoot it where it's all like black and white. And it's like, he has like that like gladiator fight for his birthday.
00:11:05
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Yeah, powerful like introduction compared to Sting coming out of a fog tube and then showing off his bikini. Yeah. Austin Butler definitely has more than you and Sting had in the David Lynch movie. And then, yeah, Timmy the Chalamet, Javier Berdem, Zendaya, Rebecca Ferguson, everyone's just like, everyone's fantastic.
00:11:29
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um
00:11:32
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And just the way they expanded the universe is incredible. the The music obviously Hans Zimmer's score is still amazing. So yeah, Doom part two, just basically like a masterpiece, a sci-fi masterpiece.
00:11:51
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and And then the whole like doing and do part two together is just like, is gonna be, you know, by 20, 30 years from now we're gonna still be talking about like, how it's like one of the best sci-fi movies ever made.
00:12:05
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like this, it's going to hold up. There's not a lot of, like, I guess, mockery in the presentation. A lot of it's like very clean and crisp that, like, D'Univel, whatever his name is. D'Univel Anouve, yeah. D'Univel, like, e he definitely gets like how to set up like lighting and mood.
00:12:31
Speaker
I mean, it's one of those things that's a shame that it's like, he's had, it's like, this isn't his first movie. Like, he's very, like, good at making these movies. I mean, has he, has he missed? He's never missed. I mean, like, Sicario, Arrival, ah Prisoners. I think just people like his sci-fi more. Prisoners wasn't sci-fi. No, it wasn't. It's still, it's still great. It's still a good movie. Sicario is not sci-fi, obviously, but that's also great.
00:12:59
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird to think that the guy who made Sicario go on to make Dune. And the guy who wrote Sicario now just does Pero Plus shows.
Taylor Sheridan's Shows and His Role
00:13:09
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He's like the Taylor Sheridan Empire.
00:13:16
Speaker
Isn't Taylor Sheridan in like Tulsa? No, he put himself in like Yellowstone and Lioness. Ah, OK. I think the Yellowstone where it's like he's just like a douchey version of himself.
00:13:29
Speaker
Yeah, he's well he comes in and i but I haven't seen it before I read basically he comes in like Pucci or something where it's just like everyone's like it's not like everyone's constantly talking about him and he's on screen they're talking about him and then all the Everyone's just like oh my god. He's so cool. This guy's so cool So weird and then in like lioness he made himself like the ultimate badass where like he's like holds off an entire Armory basically by himself
00:13:58
Speaker
It's like, I'm the greatest sniper in the world.
00:14:07
Speaker
Anyway, ah but we're not talking about TV shows. ah Maybe ah we'll talk about some other media stuff. But um what what other movies from twenty last year, do you want to mention, Chris? Some of your favorites?
00:14:23
Speaker
Uh, so right after ah Deadpool, I think my second favorite movie was Fall Guy. Okay. Um, I, I enjoyed the, the like re-imagining. I really enjoy the stunt work. Uh, I dunno, like it was a movie that I didn't, I had low expectations for and I was blown away of how like, well put the story is for like logic and and the mystery of it.
00:14:53
Speaker
I mean, it's not like the most well put mystery, but it is entertaining. Like I've seen it twice. I saw the regular edition and then I saw the extended edition. Um, they all are, they're good, but I don't know what to recommend because I feel like the extended edition has more jokes and just keeps on going. Um, but I saw that first so that when I saw the regular edition on an airplane on the way back from a trip and, um,
00:15:22
Speaker
It's still good. It's still like fun. There's so like fun, dumb, like, it's like Deadpool almost. I'm like, maybe that's my tone. It's just like comedies, like physical comedy and just like punchline comedies.
00:15:35
Speaker
ah Fall guy has like great, like, I don't know, like they're not jokes, but they're just like funny situational things. Like the comp, I guess the the situation of comedy. ah But yeah, that that I enjoy that.
00:15:52
Speaker
um What about you? Um, so another one, uh, from my list, uh, actually my third one was, uh, alien Romulus. I thought that was definitely, definitely the third best alien movie behind obviously alien aliens. Um,
00:16:14
Speaker
Kind of a really i really ah great return to form after you know all the bizarre Ridley Scott experiments with like Prometheus and Covenant. Back to a straightforward Xenomorphs are in the Space Station. We've got to get away from the Xenomorphs movie. It did get kind of crazy at the end with ah like yeah other creatures showing up.
00:16:35
Speaker
but it's um ah There it was like a lot of cool situations you never saw before. like that There's like the scene where they have to walk through the facehugger room, and then they figure out that it's like they're like ah triggered by temperature. So they have to chill the room down, which we've never seen before in like an alien movie. And facehugger's in the water. and It's like the room full of water they have to get out of, and they're locked in there.
00:17:06
Speaker
And just and also just some like for the Alvarez obviously from like Evil Dead remake and don't breathe like just but like he he has a way of like but like some really gnarly like crazy gory kills and there's like some really crazy gory kills and alien rhymes as well are fun.
00:17:23
Speaker
Yeah, um I agree. It's on my list too. That one is around my number but fifth movie like it's in the middle for me just because um it it It's a nice entry into the lore. It ties in a few things from previous like stories.
00:17:45
Speaker
um It doesn't rely like too much on, I don't know, like new new body horrors. like There's a few, but it's not like you come into this and expect kind of like an untraditional alien transformation or anything, right? Everything is like way more horrific now than ever, you know, like the acid melting things and then how creative the monsters will get in how they emerge. Um, so they keep it within like cannon, but once they get to the other part where it's like, all right, let's make a a white goo monster human baby thing. Yeah.
00:18:29
Speaker
That was the most surprising thing is like how much Prometheus actually was in there. Um, like, like the black goo, how that was used to like, uh, that's this is what they were working on. And like the rhyme of the space station was the black goo. I still don't understand how they were able to get more of the black goo. Was it part of the alien?
00:18:52
Speaker
I mean, I mean, the i mean last thing we saw from like the prequels was they were like David took over that colony ship and put, ah like, what's your name into stasis? And then that was it? He was going to experiment with them, I guess, wherever they were going. Yeah, but that they're like in an off world. They're like far reaches of space where even if they never feature them again, it's assumed that essentially they all perish or something. I guess Wayland Yutani like ah found
00:19:23
Speaker
found that They went back to the Prometheus planet or something, I guess, and found ah more of it or something.
00:19:30
Speaker
And then, I don't know, like there was a little too weird, like, I don't know, the the the Ian Holmes thing was kind of like, yeah, I can see both sides. I can't do like, i didn't I didn't mind it, but it's also like, do we really need to do this? Do can you just have like another person be like, just have another actor be a new model?
00:19:55
Speaker
or when not when I have Michael Fazbender come back and be like, oh, David ended up on the space station. But now he's like, he's like hubris caught up to it. Finally. And he's like been destroyed. Yeah.
00:20:09
Speaker
But yeah, alien routes is great. And then ah there's actually a lot of like horror had a really great year. I don't know if you saw any other like horror movies for us that you liked, but, um, one of my other ones was like late night with the devil on shutter. see yeah i That's a good one I heard, and I'm probably going to see that later, but I didn't see that yet. Yeah, that one's fantastic. that's like ah it's like i guess I guess it's found footage, because it's because it's basically you're're you're like watching the final episode of this 70s talk show that goes horribly awry, obviously. ah But ah a great a great um like starring role for David Desmalchian after he's been playing so many like great sporting roles. like He gets to really like dig it in and be like a lead actor, and he's awesome in it.
00:20:53
Speaker
And it's just a really fun aesthetic of just like this like super cheesy 70s talk show. And the way it starts out, was just like it's just a normal, like there's rimshot jokes and the monologue and all that stuff. And then it just like slowly like gets more and more. It starts seeding in like all like the weird stuff that's going to happen later on in it. So yeah, that one's great. The first Omen, I actually saw it recently. And that's also awesome.
00:21:23
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Is this part of your top 10? I think last time, I think it was my four and then for someone with my seven.
00:21:36
Speaker
Which um yeah you haven't seen the first Omen yet, right, Chris? No. yeah it's it's kind of it's it's The idea of like a prequel to the Omen kind of sounds like ah like a blatant cash grab, but it's it it's like actually a really interesting, creepy, compelling story by itself of like how they got how you basically got to the point where Davey was born.
00:22:01
Speaker
And there's some, there's some gnarly stuff, like so like stuff there, like, like things, arms are coming out of places you, like the whole body, you've never seen them come out of before, or maybe I've never seen come out of places before. And yeah, just like so crazy, yeah, crazy gory stuff. And, um, I'm just, there's, there's like one scene, it's like like one uncut scene where the main character is like basically getting possessed and it's just like holds on her and as it's just like, it's like writhing and spastic out and I think it's it's an homage to, I think there's there's a seventies movie be called Possession. There's a thing I've seen on that and then it's kind of like an homage to that. But yeah, Nel Tiger Free, who is in, she's like the main star of like The Servants on Apple TV Plus, that M. Night Shyamalan show. Like she's the main character of the first omen and yeah, she is ah amazing in this movie. And just like,
00:22:55
Speaker
The way what she goes through is just crazy, this amount of like abuse and like emotional rollercoaster she goes on.
00:23:06
Speaker
OK. Interesting. But yeah, did you see any horror things, Chris? ah Well.
00:23:20
Speaker
Um, I did see long legs. So yeah, that'd be hard. so We both saw long legs. Yeah.
00:23:29
Speaker
so It's on my like bottom of my like top list. It's, it's just like, not even, it's like a mention for me because yeah, I would i would say something at a movie you watch to be entertained, you watch it just for like c certain, like frights, but it's really hard to like,
00:23:45
Speaker
recommend because you got to either be a big fan of Nick Cage or like subversive horror. Mm hmm. Because it's not like, OK, it's going to be constant fright. It's just more like, oh, you feel an ease watching it and then just like it doesn't explain anything at the end.
00:24:04
Speaker
Yeah, definitely definitely an honorable mention for me. um I saw it. i thought was I thought it was perfectly fine. like The hype going into it was you know i it's like it was one of those movies where it's like the trailers and the posters are like, it's the scariest movie you've ever seen. It's going to make you die of fright. i That was the marketing? A lot of the quotes they pulled from the trailers were you know people saying, this is the scariest we've ever seen. like i um I almost lost my mind watching it.
00:24:34
Speaker
which they, like every once in a while there's always like a, some horror movie comes out and they like do that, but none of them live up to that. And it was, yeah, it was, it was, it was pretty fine. Nicholas Cage is doing like, like one of his weirdest characters, which is saying a lot in long legs, but I mean, nothing, nothing like should i truly, like, I haven't really, like nothing crazy I haven't seen before, right? Like it's sort of like, all right, that was like a, that was like a solid, like,
00:25:05
Speaker
sound science of the lambs kind of homage with more supernatural.
00:25:14
Speaker
Yeah, I definitely agree that um if you go in it expecting kind of like a like a procedural horror thing, it it doesn't do that. There's a lot of downtime in that movie. Mm hmm.
00:25:30
Speaker
So you just had to be the slow burn at times. And then when the horror hits, it hits like fast. It's all about the vibes. Oh yeah. It's too bad that Nick Cage pretty much like is only in it for half of the movie. Or two, two out of the three acts.
00:25:58
Speaker
Um, I don't, oh, a movie I think we both saw in, uh, like Chris was, uh, Bad Boys, Ride or Die. Yeah. Um, it's better than I thought it'd be, but it definitely has a few, um,
00:26:13
Speaker
I don't know, interesting visual things that they threw in out out of nowhere in the series. that Yeah. That when it that scene where Martin has the heart attack and like goes in the afterlife is just like Wakanda afterlife. Yeah. Or like the, what was it? The, um, that scar your handsome I guess it's like the, like the, um, the upside down kind of like he falls kind of falls like black goo when it comes out of it. And then he's like in, yeah, like,
00:26:42
Speaker
Wakanda like afterlife talks to Joey pants I Didn't I didn't like that in the end. I don't like the whole I guess he couldn't he's a Destiny guy like he can see his future Who know I mean there the fact that they're like supernatural elements the bad boy is insane like this three head um like the main the main villain was a witch and And they seem to imply that she actually was a witch that would like so like supernatural powers. And then this one has like, you can visit the afterlife. They like ghosts are possibly real. Yeah, ah they can come at to give you like motivational words.
00:27:26
Speaker
um And I mean, I actually enjoy a lot of the stunt work. I enjoy a lot of the interesting camera angles that go from like first person to like second person to um the overall shot at the end. Have you seen the like behind the scenes? I shot like those scenes where it's like the gun and then like it pops back and forth like from like shooting out, like going back to their face and shooting out again. and No, like that real.
00:27:53
Speaker
but Yeah, it was they had this rig. They had this crazy rig that was like strapped to Barton Lawrence and Will Smith. And then they they pushed they like push the camera. Basically, it was like instead of a gun, it was a camera. yeah So they pushed that and would snap it so like forward facing. So it's like the first person shooter perspective. And they would pull it back instead of back into their face. and that would be like the like ah ah like ah that like So way like it like went back and forth between like the gun pointing out and the gun pointing to their face. It was a crazy camera rig they had to manipulate.
00:28:25
Speaker
which apparently like those guys, like the guys who directed like, I think it was like, uh, blow on a bed, like a bed. Um, they were like, they always want to use that. They saw that rig, wanted to use it. And then Michael Bay was like, yeah, I'll buy that. Use it. It's awesome. Use it.
00:28:42
Speaker
ah i means like Because Michael Bay was like a producer. Like he still was like, he's still like an executive producer. No, he's still involved somewhere. Uh, so yeah.
00:28:54
Speaker
But yeah, i I also really enjoyed, you know as you know longtime fans of Bad Boys, how they foot the personalities for this one, where after his heart attack, like ah Marcus is like the reckless one. And then yeah that we and then ah Mike has responsibilities now because he's married, that and he's like freaking out and having panic attacks. Yeah, I think.
00:29:17
Speaker
He's more like his character from bad boys to where they flip the roles where Marcus is the one that kind of wants to retire. Right. And then, or take it easy. No, wait, which one's, uh, no, Mike, Mike's the one that kind of is the Marcus of this one. Right. Like in bad boys too, where basically Marcus wants to retire.
00:29:42
Speaker
Mm hmm. Well, so at least like action wise, they flip their personalities. Like Mike's always the one like running and gunning and like going in and like being crazy. But now he's like, I have i know it's like, ah what would have my wife if if I died? And he's that's why he's having like these like pancakes now and then Marcus is like, I'm invincible. Yeah. He's like, I guess like Mike's never been so concerned about life before. Yeah. It it is odd that um like His wife isn't a character from any other previous movie. It's just like they introduced her to this movie. Yeah, I did also notice that where there's no callback. There's no kind of a hint at their relationship in the movie, in the way they're saying that, OK, hey, this has been a giant conspiracy. This has actually been a conspiracy for the running for the Captain Howard's like career. The wife is the new person in the group. like Yes.
00:30:40
Speaker
Everyone else is sort of related to the group 4 as part of the the PD, but not the wife. The wife is the outsider that in the twist of married people. Uh, yeah, I could see the wife being the secret. Oh, I'm the one linking information or something. Yeah, but it doesn't happen. So that, that doesn't change the story. So spark alert. However, I didn't know they replaced Teresa in this one. So when I saw the new actress in it, it kind of like, Oh, did Marcus leave his wife? Who's this? And then, you know, that's the yellow actress now. Hmm.
00:31:26
Speaker
Cause they did that thing where they just sort of introduced the new, the new actor, but like not as subtle. It's like, Oh, I like your hair or anything. It's just like, anyway, I love you baby. Like, who's that? Did Marcus get divorced? Who's this?
00:31:49
Speaker
Yeah. ah Fun action. Like the end, like everything at the end was great. We're like, they're like infiltrating the bad guys. Hideout, which is an abandoned alligator theme park with like the giant alligator in the basement.
00:32:05
Speaker
um i don't i I don't think the action was as good as, I think oh so i mean, so much, I think Three was like overall like the better movie, but Ride Die is still a like ton of fun, like alllthough back the back and forth is still great. The Reba joke is ah incredible.
00:32:26
Speaker
where they, you know, they're like, put the rear, rear Megatar shirt on and then trying to like bluff those guys. But then they actually got Reba to have sing bad boys, like a version of bad boys. Yeah.
00:32:41
Speaker
It was pretty cool. It was like self-aware. Yes. I do like that in this long running bad boy series, they, there's some like not, not like super innovative things, but it's still fresh. They can make fun of the same thing. And I dunno, like they definitely have like good chemistry. Like you can put them in any situation, have them bigger is like a fun thing. Uh, I just wish they spent more time with like,
00:33:08
Speaker
I don't know, like it moves so quick. There's no part where they really just hang around and do something. and Like they just jump from scene to scene to scene to scene by the second act. And ah I think number three takes more time. There's more drama in this and more like, um like weight.
00:33:29
Speaker
But in this one, it's like, because ah Marcus and Martin Lawrence's characters was like, I'm invincible, basically. Yep. He rushes through everything. It's pretty fun. I mean, that was that was the craziest thing about three is that it made Mike and Marcus like actual characters that have like yeah emotional depth. After there's like consequences for their thing. Yeah. After after like they were like the most like cartoonish caricatures of people and like Bad Boys 2, like the whole movie was just like an overtopped cartoon.
00:33:59
Speaker
of violence, and then it's like, oh, no, they're actual characters, though.
00:34:06
Speaker
Oh, we well, before where we read Bad Boys, we had also mentioned the Reggie fight scene is is amazing, like his, like, John Wick, like, coefficient stopping fight scene. Yeah, I got spoiled by that online for, like, a scene or two. And ah that surprised me because I feel like if you watch that without seeing that spoiler,
00:34:27
Speaker
It's such a better like, whoa, what is going on? He's actually like a legit Marine. Yeah. Like you could like kill all of them and a at any point you wanted.
00:34:42
Speaker
um Kind of kind of the same vein. Did you see Beverly Hills cop ax left? I did.
00:34:50
Speaker
And, uh, I'm very, very so very similar to bad boys. prior eye yeah Very similar, except it has way more drama beats where. Honestly, because they folk, they kind of zoom in on the like father daughter relationship at like random times or in that it slows down the the comedy parts. You know, like if anything, uh, everything could have kept the font could be fine, but like,
00:35:18
Speaker
The whole Axel actually is a shitty dad part. It caught me off guard. Yeah. And then they just don't talk about the mom whatsoever. It's it's someone he met like off screen between three and this one.
00:35:37
Speaker
And it probably wasn't the like, cause like three is the only way where they actually has like a love interest. Like it's like the the but the woman who works in like security at the theme park, but apparently it's the same woman that was going to the same woman in a bad voice. Yeah.
00:35:57
Speaker
But yeah, uh, I didn't mind it. Like it grew on me. I do enjoy the, the like improvisation that Axel Foley does to bullshit, like his crazy outlandish bullshits to get away with things is pretty fun. I did like yeah, did I definitely like when his daughter like first started started like started calling him out on it, but then eventually started like joining him on the bullshit stuff. And then ah like, at one point, he's just like, like he starts doing it. And he's just like, I give up. Like, forget it. Like, I actually like Kevin and Bacon in this movie.
00:36:35
Speaker
Mm hmm. Even though it's really good. Yeah, I mean, there's there's like even there's not even like the slightest, like, not chance he's the bad. Like it appears on screen. He's the bad guy. You know, he's the bad guy. But he's like a bad guy that even though he's like the like main bad guy, he gets involved like a lot. He's not just someone that sits behind the desk. He actually is driving. He's chasing after things. He's organizing big, elaborate, like,
00:37:05
Speaker
um, entrapments. So I give him credit for like being a bad guy. He's very hands on. But yeah, when I saw Kevin Bacon, I was like, Oh, he's the bad guy. Like I didn't know he was in the movie until I saw the opening credits. And then I saw his name. I was like, bad guy. Yep. Hmm.
00:37:26
Speaker
I do appreciate like the flake within like the first like 10 minutes that movie they've played like every single song you associate with Beverly Hills cop. Oh yeah. They laid out thinking of like, hey, remember Billy O's cop? Here's like the here's like the Harold Fultimer theme. Here's the heat is on. Here's like the shakedown.
00:37:48
Speaker
It was a lot of rehashing of basically the soundtrack. Yeah. Like beat for beat. Like like oh we have the song. Let's just do something with the song. Well, specifically in that like they had that first scene like the first like scene in, like, uh, Detroit, where, like, with, like, the soap opera stuff, like, they play, I think they play all three songs in that, like, so in that sequence, and they're like, all right, we got that away, like, now let's get to, like, uh, some kind of new stuff. Oh, did you catch that part where, uh, they did play the sad version of the Axle F theme? I think so, yeah.
00:38:24
Speaker
It's like a doo, doo, doo, doo, doo, doo. And it's like, oh, there's a sad version of the song. Well, I think, I think bad boys had like a sad version of like the bad boys. I think so too. Yeah. Or the serious version.
00:38:48
Speaker
Uh, but speaking of other action things, um, what else did you watch?
00:38:55
Speaker
I'm just looking at a couple of other things on my list here. um For just you pure stupid fun, Godzilla, X-Con, New Empire. Yeah, that's an ah i agree that's like-y and it's like you don't it doesn't need to make sense. Things just happen.
00:39:13
Speaker
It pick it picks picks up it like picks up from where Godzilla versus Kong left it. um you know Same aesthetics. Lots of neon, and lots of crazy colors. like ah like like nothing Nothing makes sense as far as physics, but it's just fun to watch them like smash each other. I thought the Scar King was like a really awesome kaiju villain, the way he swagged around and had this like like his bone whip. and like was like You could could kind of tell what he was like thinking or ah Uh, you know, gesturing as in that, cause obviously they don't like Kong and God, so don't talk, but you can kind of like get a gist of like what the skark is basically talking to them without saying anything.
00:39:59
Speaker
And then Kong gets like this, it's like little like psychic helper guy. God's look, it's that like his like pink upgrade and he's like super powered. So, I did enjoy that basically Godzilla spends almost 80% of the movie just charging up. yeah He doesn't fight anyone until he fights Kong, and even in his charge-up state, he gets knocked out.
00:40:22
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Well, I like that he just, like, he can kill other, apparently he can kill other titans and absorb their power, and then he that makes him powerful more powerful, because he he kills that, like, Arctic snake titan. That's how he gets, like, his upgrade. Oh, I forgot about that. I kind of assume he didn't do that. But I guess what's going on in the in the Hollow Earth, that basically when they cut back to Donkey, like, to Godzilla, you're like, oh, OK. It's not a monkey.
00:40:49
Speaker
And Dan Stevens is just like one of the best human characters of this entire like monster versus franchise. Was he in the last movie? No, he's only in this one. Okay. He should have been in the rest of them because he's like, carries the movie. Because when he shows up, it's as if like we were supposed to kind of know him. And I was like, who is he? Who's Trapper? Yeah. But yeah, he just seems exactly what like what tone of movie he's in. He's playing it perfectly.
00:41:21
Speaker
which I feel like he also did in another movie that is, I don't know, a mentioned movie, Abigail. You see that one, Chris? Not yet. That's on my must. Yeah. Abigail is super fun. um I mean, there there was no way for them to not spoil the premise and the trailers of like, oh, they kidnapped a vampire girl. I don't know how you would like sell that movie without doing that, but Um, even, even knowing that going in, it's still like, there's like a a ton of like other stuff that happens later on. It's like, you know, you don't see coming or they didn't reveal the trailers. And it's just like, it's super fun. Just always like here kind of like, not really like a who done it, but like, you know, it's like, it's like this mix of characters that have like always like different personalities and they all are like, like now that they'll have to like work together to fight this vampire girl.
00:42:08
Speaker
And it's like super, super bloody in a fun way. of Just like like blood is spring everywhere. It was exploding everywhere. Crazy kills. um So yeah, definitely check out that one if you haven't seen that one yet, Abigail.
00:42:26
Speaker
Oh, I think, I mean, we talked about it in the podcast, Chris, last year. But another stupid, dumb, fun, ah the beekeeper. Yep. uh kind of lower my ranks too just because it's just silly uh and it's definitely like i don't know like a propaganda movie feels like a propaganda movie Or or or like so just like like someone read about ah like seniors getting scammed, and then we're like oh it's like, we've got to play on that fear. Or whoever wrote that like is like scared of that, and they said they imagine the most like crazy scenario possible for it.
00:43:10
Speaker
Because it's not even ah set like a semblance of anything realistic that would happen. like like The guys pulling these fishing scams are like bros in e-gaming lounges in suits. It's like a a Russian bot farm or like an Indian farm. and like like It's like a dank, dark room. Well, I like that they don't want to make fun of like or like Involve third world countries in the scam. It's all American scammers of Sammy Americans. Yep. In a way, kind of cool. Kind of different. You know, if this move was in the 90s or 80s, it'd be a like Russia or yeah like Asian country that like an American would have to go abroad and like beat the shit out of these people.
00:44:06
Speaker
But I do like, again, the only downside about the beekeepers is the beekeeper organization that we all had questions about when we talked about it. Yeah, definitely not mean ah need more explanation if there's a sequel of just like, how how are they funded? but like Is there more than one beekeeper at a time? like why they use why Why do all the beekeeper retired beekeepers allow access to all the other beekeeper technology?
00:44:33
Speaker
Yeah, why didn't they shut down Jason Statham's access if he's not the Beekeeper anymore? As he stole the thumb from the current Beekeeper to get the Beekeeper bunker. Okay, I kind of forgot about that part. But all the technology is like 80s computers that somehow is also still able to hack into satellites and hack into people's information.
00:45:01
Speaker
And every, every, every intelligence agency is aware of them. They don't do anything about them. They're afraid of them. They're afraid of them. Yeah. But yeah, this was, this was like pure, like, uh, like most pure Statham movie. I feel like we've gotten like the recent years, like just like, this is like what we go for Statham for. Is this him just like being in like an indestructible like killing machine. Yeah. I'll be even gets injured.
00:45:29
Speaker
that bad. It doesn't have any downtime. Just like in like the like the end, yeah he gets like stabbed once but by that that crazy rugby guy. but But it was kind it was definitely like a big like like step like like return to form. Because the year before, Chase Statham was in like Operation Fortune and Expendables 4. They were both awful. I'm surprised about Operation Fortune.
00:45:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's like i for some reason, this did not work. Like you think it would be like, yeah, kind of Richie doing like a bad movie to save them. Like that should work, but it didn't really work.
00:46:10
Speaker
ah Speak about things that didn't work. I kind of talk about one more movie and then we'll switch to the worst. Yes, go ahead. All right. So I don't know if you've seen this yet, but one of my favorite movies of this year was Wolves, which I know what didn't work for a lot of people, but for me it did not that wolves but wolf wals sorry yeah it's it's grammatically incorrect but like it's supposed to i think there i think the it's supposed to be idea of like ah mr wolf from pulp fiction now there's two of them there's wolf
00:46:42
Speaker
yeah i yeah i saw i thought it was i thought it was a lot of fun and yeah it's it's a movie that i think like for me it did.
00:46:55
Speaker
and with the basic say like ah four day release in the theaters before I went to Apple TV. Well, I mean it was supposed to be like in theaters for like an actual normal release and then Apple was just like, uh, actually no, we'll we'll do like a week and then it'll be at Apple TV plus next week. But it's a competent movie. Yeah. It's a very competent story where you don't need to know a lot of the details and The movie explains it by just showing you. And then when they need to fill in the blank, there is like a dialogue scene conveniently placed so it can explain things. And that you're just fine with the details. You don't need to know everyone's backstory. You don't need to know some tragic like motivational thing. here's that it just Everything sort of flows. And it neatly kind of wraps up that.
00:47:46
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um
00:47:48
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if they never got a sequel, which there was going to be. But now I think that's off the table. Yeah, because John was like, I'm never going to look at it like it's a shame because like the the the world and story was good. I like the idea of like a very organized underworld like this.
00:48:08
Speaker
yeah I think the first of the first part is stronger than the second part. The second part kind of gets a little bit little generic little generic, like action crime thriller. But the first part where it's like dueling dueling cleaners is a great, where it's just like, you know, they have like, they're like conflicting styles of how they want to like clean up this like hotel room. And then how they have their own professional code of like trying to tie up loose ends. I like that. Like they're not supposed to be heroes, their ideas that their whole world is discretion and silence. So it was good. I enjoyed that. And then I don't know who an apple dropped the ball, but holy shit. Yeah.
00:48:54
Speaker
And also like they're they're um like the like them being like super professional and then they have to deal with this like you know drugged out idiot for the rest of the movie is like a great like like that's like a great like comedic thing too it's like there's like they're back and forth it was like trying to like figure out like what happened to this like guy that I thought was dead and then he's but now he's he was just like knocked out and then He has to finish like this like ah drug drop off he was supposed to be on. and All the cast of that, they have to finish up. They have to go like the wedding like the wedding at one point. as like it goes go see yeah yeah it's great It's a great it's great like one-night movie.
00:49:45
Speaker
But yeah, definitely, if you have Apple TV Plus, ah definitely check that out, which actually, if you're hearing this one, if you're hearing this one, it's out. I think this weekend, Apple TV Plus is free. You see this, you see like an Apple ID to log in and you just watch like, it's a free weekend. You can just watch wherever you want in there. So watch Wolf's. Please do. So maybe someone or some baby Clooney will make it. I don't know. Like I just, I don't want a sequel.
00:50:14
Speaker
All right, yeah, so let's but switch gears, talk about some of the the worst or disappointing movies of 2024. Do you have one to kick off, Chris? Okay, so I think one of the worst movies I saw just because I had high hopes for it and it just falls apart was Argyle. Yeah, that was on my ah top five list, ah it number four.
00:50:37
Speaker
Uh, I, I was looking forward to it. The more I think about just like the plot, the use of the Beatles song, the convoluted twist upon twist. It's just like, it just like, it could have been done better. That's what, that's why I said my review was it's, it's, it it's so focused on twists that it just like, like loses sight of everything else. Like it's just all about the twists.
00:51:03
Speaker
And also, I think the fact that it's PG-13 doesn't help either, because like we go into like Matthew Vaughn movies expecting like, you know, fun, gory, crazy action. And it's just, it's so sterile and like, like no one ever seen a shot, but there's no blood. And then it's also like, he's just like devolving into like self-indulgent action sequences. They're just like,
00:51:26
Speaker
stupid like it started like it started with like the ellen john like dropkick from king of the two and he's just like done that for like his like next two movies but just like amped it up even more like the like the ice skate like the ice skating on the oil fight in the argyle is just like what yeah so you this like like physically doesn't even make sense like this would not happen even like in like like a heightened universe like this it would make sense and then Yeah, and they they also, they totally ripped it off from like the transporter. Oh yeah, it looks very familiar. I forgot the oil fight. I was just like, yeah, this is just like the oil fight from ah would jason say the but like the bike pedals. Which makes more sense. Like those, you can actually, like that might give you traction. Like ice skates want to give you traction. And that's not how ice skates work either. So.
00:52:24
Speaker
But yeah, and then when when they actually when they the reveal of like what Argyle actually is, it's like it's like a it's like a Mr. E level of just stupid. Mr. E, and we're Nigma.
00:52:41
Speaker
where it's like It's like Argyle, Ar-kyle, that rhymes, that's why.
00:52:53
Speaker
But then this whole thing of like, Argyle is actually a character, ah is a person. It's like, it's like it it was like a it was like a hidden, it was like a lost identity. But then it's, but also there's a separate person who is Argyle. So weird. And it's somehow in the Kingston universe.
00:53:18
Speaker
Yeah, I think we talked about it on our review of it where we couldn't figure out like which metas. What are we also in the Argyle universe? Is this like a true story for us as the movie watcher of the book of Argyle? um I mean, I mean, if it fails so horribly that like we never get any more like kings and movies at all. So God damn, Matthew Vaughn. But OK, it it was tied to like Apple TV. So it's not like it it sank.
00:53:49
Speaker
you know, another streaming service. It just proves don't put shit on Apple TV. Cause it's just like, they don't know what to do with it. Yeah. I know. Argo came out theaters. I know that. Well, they're, they're, they're spending like tons of money and they're not like, they're not, they're not really getting it back and like theatrical Lee, like, um, like the Napoleon and like, um, what was that? Oh, like killers of the flower moon cost like $200 million dollars each and they made like,
00:54:18
Speaker
like 50 million, 30 billion at the box office. It's like they're knocking their investment back, but it also, I guess part of it is they, it draws people to Apple TV plus hypothetically. So like that's part of it of like, they get money back from subscriptions possibly because people want to like subscribe and like watch those movies on their service. But then no one's talking about it. Yeah. Yeah. No one's like really talking about it once they like, they're like disappear. Cause like Apple TV plus is kind of like a niche streaming service.
00:54:48
Speaker
So yeah, they're their whole thing. i Amazon's kind of do the same thing because like Red One um didn't do that great like something like because they cut that cut move costs almost $300 million dollars to make and it it made like $100 million, I think, which sounds good. But then you need to make like double your budget at least to like break even. So it needs to make like $600 million. dollars um But then and but then it's like the number one moving up prime video for the last couple of weeks. So That's like, that's all they want. Maybe it's like, have like ah it draw like subscriptions or draw like viewers.
00:55:30
Speaker
But then why, why, why spend so much money on it and why put it in theaters if that they just wanted to be like on for like prime video. Yeah. It's a lot of weird business decisions that we don't understand. Yeah.
00:55:47
Speaker
Yeah, our girl is just like like Matthew Vaughn just like needs to get back to basics So just like get back to like Kingsman like the first Kingsman style or like kick-ass style like he's just like He's just going set in such a self-indulgent ridiculous direction that he sees he's the real my ah my number one ah worst movie pick is Joker Foley I do Which is, I think you said you're gonna watch that this weekend, probably, Chris. Yep. Okay. I'd be curious if you saw it after you see your head, but, um man, i don't mean I don't even know, what like, why was it made? Like, it it feels like ah it feels like a scam. It feels like Ty Phillips, like, scammed Warner Brothers into giving him, like, $250 million. dollars And then, like and like like, giving them a a middle finger in the form of a movie.
00:56:47
Speaker
And if it also feels like this should have been just like the last 20 minutes of the first Joker, it's like an epilogue of, Hey, here's what actually happened to Arthur once he got like, you know, he, he was on top of that car, but he also got arrested and now he's like going to trial and being arrested for, you know, murder. But then they drag it out to like two and a half hours and.
00:57:10
Speaker
The whole whole musical aspect also is bizarre because it's not, there's only like one or two scenes, but they're actually like a full on like musical, like you know a big like production musical. Like a lot of the songs are just Lady Gaga or Wacky Face is like seeing quietly to each other. And it's also, it's also just like, it's it's like these like old like jazz songs. It's not like a original music.
00:57:36
Speaker
for the movie the way like a musical might be. It's just like we're seeing these old songs. They have nothing to do thematically with what's going on. We're seeing because that like we're just seeing these old like musical songs. Mm hmm. Which is odd because like I think Lady Gaga wrote an entire album of like original songs as like as Harley Quinn. That was like separate from the movie. But now those songs are in the movie. What it's like songs inspired by the movie that she didn't put in there.
00:58:04
Speaker
Yeah, because there's just like no original music. It's all it's all these like old jazz like you know Sinatra like 30 like old Hollywood musical numbers.
00:58:16
Speaker
And then the courtroom scene just dragging out of forever. like Like it's like, it's, it's so drawn out. but Like at one point, like what can he thinks is just a joker, like talking like popcorn, like horned for a scene for no reason. What? Like he's like, different like he's has this friend himself and he's like the lawyer and he's, he's talking like, like Matlock or like a, like a fuck horned like, or just like, well, I might be a Southern lawyer, but I'm a, I'm a here to defend my, myself here in court. Like,
00:58:44
Speaker
yeah It's just like, what is going on? I wonder, I heard rumors that Joaquin Phoenix would just kind of do things and then like, okay, cool. We'll just like film it and then see how it goes.
00:59:00
Speaker
um yeah it just It feels like it's like pulled in like five different directions and it doesn't satisfy any direction. like it's like It's a musical. It's a prison drama. It's a courtroom thriller. It's a superhero movie. But it's like buts none of those.
00:59:24
Speaker
And then like and it's but it's also it's also like a direct middle finger to anyone that like actually like idolized like Arthur Fleck from the first movie. it's like we' you yeah you You thought he was cool? were like This movie like is like making him like the most pathetic character ever in movie history.
00:59:46
Speaker
Um, and and also like, like, like the social commentary for like the first one was like, you know, it had like some of that eat the rich kind of like, we're going to like the, the populace is rising up because like the richer, like not giving them the resources to stealing our resources from the city. None of that's in this one that you kind of hear about it outside of the courtroom, but There's like, they never really addressed that that much, which is kind of like like one of the most interesting things from the first movie is like how like, you know, Arthur became the symbol for like this whole like movements.
01:00:21
Speaker
um So yeah, it's it's it's it's a mess. I don't know how the hell. who I think one of us didn't even like, they didn't like have test screens or looked at it. It was like, yeah, it's fine. You guys have had a billion dollars last night. We'll, wherever you want to make, you can make it. Here's $250 million. Which I don't even know where the money go either. Cause like this movie does not look like it costs $250 million dollars or should it cost $250 million dollars to make? Because it's all just like three sets, like the courtroom, the prison, and then like outside, they went to the stairs again at one point. Like, Oh, what?
01:00:57
Speaker
Really like it. It doesn't even explore other areas of that world. It's like you're just yeah, you're in like you're in Arkham, which is just like a kind of like a bare bones like asylum set and then you're in the courtroom and then that's pretty much it.
01:01:20
Speaker
And then, and then for one or two scenes, there's an elaborate, like musical, like big production sets, but they're few and far between.
01:01:32
Speaker
It was funny. I saw it. Um, I think it was like the Monday after it came out. It was me and two other people in the movie. Um, and then the two other people like left halfway through. They just gave up or like, we're done. You just left your money back after two hours or.
01:01:49
Speaker
Like, for a amount of time? I can't remember. When I used to work at the movie theater, I think you had like if you stayed past a certain point, like it's like you watch most of the movie, we're not going to give you a money back. But if you leave it with, like, before a halfway point, I think you can probably get your money back. I've never done it. I've never had it left during a movie.
01:02:08
Speaker
Yeah, I've never seen anything that bad. or like Like, if I'm watching a movie, I'll stick it out just to see what the hell out wraps up. I'm not going to, like, walk out. But yeah, they they bailed. They were just like, yeah, we're done. And I was watching it alone. Did you start putting on clown makeup? yeah Yeah, I reached reach my pocket, pulled out the the white cream, started putting on my face, started seeing show tunes. We live in a movie theater society.
01:02:41
Speaker
But yeah, Joker, Joker, I mean, yeah that was a That was a absolute mess.
01:02:52
Speaker
And then, I know one one one ah company that actually like ah had a string of worsts for the year was Sony. um I mean, all all their like Sony, what's the official title? Sony Spider-Man Universe. All their leases this year were just like disasters.
01:03:13
Speaker
Madam Web, Venom Last Dance, and Craven the Hunter. All 24. All of them varying degrees of like either entertainingly bad, Venom Web style, or just bland, terrible, forgettable, Craven the Hunter. And like he doesn't hunt Venom or anything? no Yeah, there's no mention of any other characters that were established in the previous like universe for Craven the Hunter.
01:03:45
Speaker
dumb. Very dumb. Yeah. um I mean, we saw, but we saw a meta web, I think we both agree, like, that's like, entertainingly bad, because there's so much weird, like, hilarious nonsense that are just like, decisions of, like, who wrote this line? Or why? Why is the main villain like, 80 yards the entire movie? Or like, why is he wearing shoes? What's it? what What is it? How does he make money?
01:04:10
Speaker
why why the Why are the girls dancing on ah like a table to toxic when you're like wanted want fugitives?
01:04:17
Speaker
Why does Cody Johnson fly to South America just in the middle of everything? And how does she get there when she's a fugitive? Oh, the spider people, midwives? Yep. I'm just remembering those parts now. Just the fact that she's like a wanted fugitive. She's stolen a taxi.
01:04:34
Speaker
But then she's somehow able to fly to South America. Just with no issues. And just leaves these teenage girls like with but Adam Scott.
01:04:45
Speaker
It's like, I'll be back, maybe. like I don't know how long it takes for me to fly to South America and back, but however long that takes. I remember before we watched that movie, it's like, oh no, this movie takes place in the course of what feels like two months.
01:05:05
Speaker
Yeah. No, no, no sense of like how long this movies take, like how long it's been. It could be a week. It could be a month. It could be two days. I think it's probably a couple of days, which makes it even crazier as you flew out of South American back. And like a day. Yeah.
01:05:20
Speaker
And then, Venom the Last Dance is just like like one of the most rushed we've ever seen. like this it's so like Barely any character like plot development, but like character development is like we seem to get this done, finished this trilogy.
01:05:38
Speaker
um like Some really really dumb ah like like there's there's a yeah There's like this thing that's set up in the beginning of the movie where... Myosport was from freedom last time. They're decommissioning Area 51. It was the main plot point. And they have ah the army has a giant like acid thing. It's like this giant bin of acid they use to dump on like trucks and stuff to like like dissolve the metal structures.
01:06:13
Speaker
it's like It's something that would never, ever exist in real life. It only exists to like factor into the climax of the movie.
01:06:24
Speaker
And then like just like like the detour to Vegas is like but it's like not tied to anything. there's ah like They try to make try to make null the the Thanos of the Sony Spider-Man universe. And it's it's like obviously never going to happen.
01:06:43
Speaker
Well, from what I understood, it's such a last minute addition to the lore. Yeah. And even if it made sense, it should have been introduced in the beginning, not just sort of like, oh, yeah. Anyway, here's this like master symbiote thing that. Who's going to who's going to come and fight all of our beloved characters like Morbius and Madam Web? Maybe. Do they not deal with him in this that movie?
01:07:08
Speaker
nope it's he's still in space then the there's a like mid-credits scene where he looks up and says like i'm coming for you and then it's it wow and he'll never be seen again the whole like it's a as is as bad as like the skeletal and masters of the universe pretty much it pretty much is that yeah
01:07:31
Speaker
he like yeah he He never, himself, never shows up to like fight Venom. He just sends like he sends like his basically has kind of like attack dogs, alien attack dogs that show up and like hunt down Venom.
01:07:44
Speaker
And then they had the they had like the gall to end the movie with an emotional montage of this beloved franchise, hit them like a Moon 5 song. where andie And he's just like wistfully remembering everything that happened.
01:08:00
Speaker
All your favorite moments, like him sitting in a lobster tank, eating a lobster.
01:08:07
Speaker
Wow. Which I feel like someone saw a rough cut of Dead to a Wolverine, where they saw that Fox, the leveler to Fox films, that end credit scene. And they're like, we need something like that for Venom. It's the last Venom movie.
01:08:28
Speaker
So like that actually has like like that's when we were next chance like nostalgia built-in or like people like our fans of some of those movies and like remember them fondly and then this is like oh We have remember those other two vetted movies. Here you go Here's like here's here's see random scenes from them ah So like it
01:08:53
Speaker
It's so weird because like I had so low expectations for the Venom movie. And then even when the expectations this low, it manages to like find new depths to just be like, oh, it can get worse. Like we'll just fuck up the lore even more or like we don't know how to make a movie as his character. Yeah.
01:09:15
Speaker
And ah if Tom Hardy wasn't in these, like these would be some of the worst Like not even just comic movies ever made, but like some of the worst movies ever made. But just like the sheer force of will of Tom Hardy just being like 1000% committed for some reason that makes them like and all them like work somehow.
01:09:36
Speaker
I mean, most of the first like a lot like the first one works because of like how just batshit insane Tom Hardy is. But he's not as insane this time around.
01:09:48
Speaker
it's i mean there's there's some There's still some of that, but like it just but not not even that is enough to like kind of like you know save like the absence of a plot or absence of other characters. There's also a point where they there's like a bunch of other symbios they find, and they just like throw the like these like attach to random people, and it's like no there's like no like naming them or like like understanding like what they do they before they get like sort getting ah killed off like instantly.
01:10:17
Speaker
It's like, oh, hey, always all these cool symbiote characters. Oh, they're dead. All right. Never mind.
01:10:26
Speaker
And also, I thought the bonding process was very specific. Only certain people could bond with a certain symbiote. But at the end of this movie, it's just like, no, just jump onto anyone in the room and just turn into a symbiote. That's fine. Yeah, I thought you had to match the symbiote or something. Yeah.
01:10:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's apparently not. You just have to jump on you and you become a symbiote. Because if I remember correctly, the first movie, Jenny Slade's character, she didn't bond with the symbiote and they both died. Mm-hmm. But I guess that goes out the window whenever it's convenient. Apparently, yeah. And also, lastly, it probably has one of the worst MacGuffins of all time.
01:11:16
Speaker
um just like this like It's like the codex, which is if a symbiote dies and comes back, they they have like a key to unlocking Null's dimension inside their body. That's what everyone's after, apparently. But there's like, but that's that's the only explanation they give you is like, oh yeah, when when a symbiote and the toast almost die and come back, then they get a codex. Why? Who knows?
01:11:40
Speaker
What do you mean, like a DNA codex? It's, it's some, it's, I guess, yeah, DNA or it's something that grows, it's not as grown and that's like inside them that if you, they want to rip it out and then give it to Nol and Nol can escape his dimension, apparently. What? If you can, yeah, watch it and try to figure it out. More explanation about that, but it's, it's barely explained. It just says like, there's a thing called a codex. Nol will get out if he gets it. That's it. That's, that's the plot.
01:12:17
Speaker
um like last Last maybe I'll mention was Rebel Moon Part 2, The Skargiver.
01:12:26
Speaker
but i don't I don't know what Netflix was thinking. Like, I kind of had, I had some, like, a little bit of hope or like expectations maybe of us like, um from the first real moon, because the first one is like so much setup of like, we got some of these characters, we got set up all this like plot stuff. But I thought like, oh, no, that's all the way. Now they can like get to like, ah whatever the actual like main thrust of this movie is going to be. But Realm of Fire 2 feels like it should have been like the last like 20 minutes of the first movie.
01:12:56
Speaker
But now it's that's three hours long. And it's like it's the most drawn out thing you've ever seen.
01:13:04
Speaker
like the first there is like In the terms of a Star Wars thing, because this was supposed to be close to a Star Wars movie, or set in the universe. well go but It was actually a Star Wars. And then they said, no, we're not going to.
01:13:20
Speaker
like now we're not goingnna make that and then he's like well i'll make me own star wars blackjackt hookers land and went over to netflix but this was originally going to be somewhere in the The Netflix, they'll make it. I'll make my own epic universe. like And they made it. They made it two times already. Four times. There's like two, there's like the original version of the movies plus like the Snyder cut movies now. There's the Snyder cut version of both of these. They're even longer.
01:13:58
Speaker
But I mean, that they're, they're like scar giver. There is literally, I think it's probably at least 20 minutes, if not 30 minutes of just, there's this, of just people harvesting wheat. in slow motion. Exact Snyder style slow motion. Because they have to harvest because that's like the main thrust of the entire thing is that this evil empire wants to steal all the wheat from this like peaceful planet. And the the and the peaceful planet has to find these warriors to help them defend it. It's like so it's like Seven Samurai basically.
01:14:31
Speaker
But they have to harvest all the wheat before the empire comes so they can like keep putting in a safe spot in the village. So then it's like, yeah, a 30-minute long montage of people harvesting wheats.
01:14:46
Speaker
Where it's just like, what are we doing? And then there's like, the first movie was clunky. This one's even more clunky. There's literally a scene where all the characters are sitting before the big epic battle at the end.
01:15:03
Speaker
all the main characters sitting around a table and just like tell each other their backstories of like, hey, if we're going to die tomorrow, we should all know like who each other is are like fully. So let's all like tell each other like what are our backstories and secrets are. And then that's like 40 minutes of the movie. is or thirty minutes the movie just like Everyone's like back flashbacks of their backstories. Like shit they should have figured out before. Probably, yeah.
01:15:30
Speaker
which is It's also crazy because every character in the first movie already had an introduction that kind of was like their backstory. like because like The first movie was all about like traveling to each planet and finding all these these people and like recruiting them. and you kind of got like Every time you met one of them, you kind of get got an idea like what they were doing before they get like get recruited. But now it's like, well here's there's here's even more of that. Here's what they were doing before the you you met them.
01:15:56
Speaker
It was weird. It's like they had a first movie to set up all these characters. say Yeah, they did. They set them up already. And then this was like, well, we need more set up somehow. And let's do it in the most clunky way possible.
01:16:12
Speaker
We're just like, hey, but whatever your name is, tell us your backstory. He's like, all right, I will tell you my backstory. Here you go. Cut cut to a flashback.
01:16:23
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like
01:16:28
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I mean, yeah it has, it has some Zack Snydery, like if you enjoy like his official style, like there's some a couple of cool things in it, but it's, it's, it's so bloated and like, like blunt and like the right is terrible. The characters are so bare bones. Like, I mean, it makes all the other movies we kind of compare to, um, like not being on a caliber, it could get, this is like an example of all it can get worse.
01:16:57
Speaker
Yeah. And they're also, and the the worst part is that they're also like threatening, like at least one more, if that more, like, ah like, I think it said like at one point, like four more of these movies. I'm just like, no, God, no. Next letter, please. No.
01:17:12
Speaker
Cause they don't even, they don't even resolve the main thing they're trying to resolve in the, these like six hours of these movies. It's like, Oh, uh, we're, we just, we're just getting started.
01:17:24
Speaker
Here we go. the Next one. we Next one is the true movie. That's when it's really get started.
01:17:31
Speaker
So this is both these two movies are basically like a six hour intro to what robyn was actually going to be about. And it's still not there yet. It's still not there yet. No.
01:17:43
Speaker
Are they rebels on a moon or is there like a moon base, like a death star? i think the planet I think the planet, like the wheat planet is supposed to be rebel moon, even though I think it's a planet, not a moon, but maybe maybe it's a moon of like a planet. I think I can't remember exactly if it's a moon of another planet.
01:18:03
Speaker
And then, yeah, it's all it's all just like that's actually stripped, just ripping off like there's lightsabers. um Also, there's like a ton of Warhammer stuff apparently like like what was like Warhammer 40k like so much like Warhammer stuff imagery in here, too Cool, he's ripping that off. Yep Like it's him like just like plucking out like I like this I like this thing from this side of a movie I'm gonna like basically rip it off like for a Batum like and just like slightly slightly change it so it's we don't get sued and
01:18:41
Speaker
But yeah, I would ah probably not recommend Aether Realm Moon. If you're like, if you're more really curious, I would i say, got I guess maybe watch like the Snyder Cut ones, because i at least I read R. So you get some, because ah the ah original cuts are pre-15, so there's no blood, there's no, but like, any, like, file really.
01:19:04
Speaker
stuff you associate with Zack Snyder a lot of times. But it's it's in the, ah he's like, whatever, the Snyder Cut R rated versions that are on Netflix now.
01:19:17
Speaker
But I don't think it's no army of dead. Yeah. Yeah. Or wherever that zombie was. Yeah, that's that's definitely better than the Ramon.
01:19:37
Speaker
I feel like Zack Snyder with carte blanche is like not never good. but what he hit When he has like just like $250 million dollars and you just do whatever the hell he wants, like sucker punch. He's like, yeah, do whatever he wants, Zack Snyder. He's like, all right, here's everything. Oh, yeah, he did do sucker punch that pretty much started this crazy fantasy.
01:19:59
Speaker
Which I think, I think he got like, cause like, it was either like 300 or Watchmen, like it was, and then, you know, they're, they're both they're like hits and he's still like, Oh yeah, just whatever you want to do with Exciter, like no, no limits. Make whatever you want. He's like, I'm gonna do all all the movies in one movie set to my favorite songs.
01:20:26
Speaker
So. From what we learn, what I'm hearing about Rebel Moon is, there wait, Rebel Moon your worst movie you've seen? Second, second i but second joker Joker was the worst movie of the 24 for me. I don't know, like Joker and Rebel Moon, I think they have the same runtime. They're both they're very so they're most very similar because they both kind of feel like this should have been just part of the original movie. You're drawing out like what should have been like like the epilogue or like the last act of a movie it's like its own three-hour movie for some reason and you're it's there's so much filler and so much nonsense in it like relevant part two like the only the only thing it's like it was it's like it's the final action sequence of realm of part one it should have been and but they make it its own three-hour movie to get to like the last action sequence of the first movie
01:21:25
Speaker
Because at the like this, like they should have made like they should have edited this down to like one three hour movie. And then it probably would have been maybe not good, but at least like manageable and watchable. I mean, that's like the borderline. It has to be watchable. It doesn't have to be good. It just has to be watchable. And we talked a lot about like watchable movies.
01:21:50
Speaker
Shame that basically it just doesn't find, it's like in the negative zone, you know, like I wish it was a little bit better. Yeah. Like there's, there's, there's some, some cool visual stuff in there, but like, you know, it's buried under all this like terrible characters, stupid plot, uh, like bloated runtime.
01:22:20
Speaker
But ah yeah, so I think I think they'll do it for some of the best and worst 24 unless you have anything anything else, Chris. No, we covered a lot. I think like I have a shout out for the one of the ah so so movies was the killers or the killer. The killer. Yeah. Yeah. johnng Yeah. Could it be better? But it's watchable at least.
01:22:46
Speaker
I think same goes for Ghostbuster Frozen Empire like it's watchable but it isn't good I feel like that's that's the ah a lot of movies are like it's watchable it's fine I know the one movie I think we're gonna disagree with is Furiosa yes I was I was very disappointed with the Furiosa I was fine with it okay I don't think as much it's just like what you're in the mood for I gotta watch it another time to see if it holds up but it It was fine. like I enjoyed it. I like the action. I like the ah world building. There are some crazy moments that are still like wacky, but you can't. like Chris Hemsworth, doesnt like he does the memorable role.
Critique of Furiosa Prequel
01:23:31
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like He is just something that is just crazy.
01:23:34
Speaker
yeah i think i think my main thing is like it was and it was also It was too long again. like it is like it's so it kind of feels It feels bloated. And the action feels like ah it's ah it's a big step down from Fury Road. like um There's a lot more blatant CGI in this one than in Fury Road. Fury Road obviously had CGI, but it felt like much more practical. like People were actually like doing a lot of this stuff.
01:23:58
Speaker
And then um all the kind of like questions or what kind of things they like reveal about Furiosa were not really interesting. Like, oh, how'd she get her metal arm? They get crushed but by a monster truck, kind of. And then, yeah, so it's like, all right, fine, OK. Because it's all these questions about, like oh, yeah, who's this character? How'd she get that metal arm? like what How did she become this driver for this War Rig. and it's like all the all the All the answers are kind of like just like not interesting, at least to me.
01:24:36
Speaker
like it kind of has it It's like the prequel thing of like explaining things that didn't need to be explained. Yeah. And then just just the fact they also like, it ends with like, just the credits are clips from Fury Road, just like, highlight the, like the difference between the movies. Something's like, Hey, remember Fury Road? Remember how awesome Fury Road was? Yeah. Wouldn't you be watching that instead of this? Eh.
01:25:04
Speaker
It's always good. I'm not gonna get too much into it because we're about wrapping this up, but yeah. I can see what do you mean if it's not the same cinematic experience as Mad Max, but very few movies will have that.
01:25:22
Speaker
Yeah, i think I think my metaphor was like, it's basically, it's like if you had, like if Fury Road was like a sports car, then Furos is like you put a bunch of like other stuff on, like you put like all these like fins and like clunky stuff on the outside of the car. So it's not as like streamlined anymore.
01:25:42
Speaker
Like, because Fury Road is such such a like bullet, like and all all killer, no filler. And then Furos is just like, it's like really like,
01:25:54
Speaker
extended a lot more downtime, more like, I was trying to do something different, but I just, I don't know, I just, I think, I feel like I have to watch it again, just to kind of like, maybe like, see if my opinion changed or not on it. I mean, I haven't seen it since I saw it in theaters, so.
01:26:13
Speaker
All right.
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01:26:17
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