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PCL and Treated Sound
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PCL talks with Jake Abramson of Treated Sound about music production! Jake Abramson is the mixing engineer on many upcoming PCL releases and he also writes his own music that is absolutely killer!
Later PCL has some new music recommendations for you to check out.
Follow Jake Abramson:
@treatedsound @theysoldmeasunset
Visit his website for mixing/mastering services:
Stream his new song composure!
https://open.spotify.com/track/2boxP85VDjQXHN5YRQViOt?si=bRTbpGOISMykt9phufsmpQ
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Here are the playlists we promised:
Pop Punk Breakouts - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7MhHHKKpgrTVbMJUlo1sHb?si=m5i3tDz2RBG5j9I4oUA05A
Sad Pop Punk - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3HJG6249YdGnURupcrfdFu?si=sxf1ay4rQeawCEHcgqQVcw
Alternative Workout - https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5vfQS8jQNxSrrT1V8iUilM?si=GwZ9Tu7MTcazYAl_eJPBwQ
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Transcript
Introduction to Jake Abramson and Podcast Focus
00:00:00
Speaker
Alright, on today's episode we have Jake Abramson in the studio, some playlist updates, new music recommendations, and more.
00:00:14
Speaker
Welcome to the PCL Podcast. My name is Kyle McGraw, and this is a show about a rock band from Southern California. My name is Jake Sperling. I'm the co-host. Together, we are PCL. This podcast is about our band putting out music on our own and having a damn good time while we do it. On today's episode, we've got Jake Abramson from Treated Sound in the studio with us. We're going to be talking to him about mixing, mastering, songwriting, and so much more.
Playlist Additions and Listener Appreciation
00:00:41
Speaker
Stay tuned. It's a really good episode. It's personally one of my favorites that we've done.
00:00:44
Speaker
And stick around later for a new PCO bar. Today we're going to be making a green tea shop. And then lastly we're going to be talking about some new bands that Jake and I have been listening to.
00:00:53
Speaker
Alright Kyle, so what do we got? New and improved for PCL. For this week, or since we put out episodes every other week, we recently just got added to some more playlists. Last week I believe we were talking about some of the cool playlists that we got added to and since then, and hopefully it continues to
00:01:14
Speaker
to grow. We've been added to some more just to name a few. I'll name the ones that I named previously just in case any of you guys want to check them out. Like I said last week, I'll put the playlist in the episode description.
00:01:30
Speaker
I didn't do it last week actually, but I will this week. I
Humor on Streaming Tactics
00:01:34
Speaker
promise We got we got pop-punk breakouts That's giving us a hefty amount of streams Alternative workout. I love that one because it's got a it's got a cover of Arnold Schwarzenegger on it Then we got you in mind
00:01:52
Speaker
and it's just a sad playlist that's a new one then we got sad pop punk deja vu got added to that one jake cool starting to see that track uh make some make some moves and then we got no feelings which i you know
00:02:10
Speaker
which I don't have any of those anymore. So I'm going to be listening to that playlist. And then. That's basically it. I mean, some people have put it on repeat and I think that gets it slotted in the on repeat playlist, which is pretty tight. It was honestly probably you, right?
Exciting Band Announcements
00:02:29
Speaker
Yeah, it was probably me. I usually I usually when I go to sleep at night, I'll put a I'll turn say what you want. Just turn the volume off and let it play overnight.
00:02:38
Speaker
Okay, that's great. We just got to do that every day for the next Every day for the next century and then we'll probably make a couple bucks Hey, that's the way it works. Yeah
00:02:54
Speaker
But you know, so it's how Blink-182 does it. Yeah, exactly. I'm stoked to finally start seeing some progress with all this stuff that we've worked so hard on and that we're so passionate about. So thank you guys.
Jake's Journey from Artist to Mixer
00:03:08
Speaker
If any of you guys are listening to this, we appreciate you for listening to our music. In other news, we have a new visualizer for Deja Vu. Brand new visualizer. It's fucking sick.
00:03:21
Speaker
Dude, I honestly I honestly like that one better than the say I want you one. I just love the colors Kyber AI. I've just had so much fun Using it recently. I mentioned that you guys should check out Kyber to make some videos and I said that you should Download it or pay for it for a month and then cancel the subscription. Well, I I bought another month and
00:03:51
Speaker
Hell yeah. So hopefully, hopefully next month I ran out of credits. That's the thing. But that's because I was putting in songs or files that were like four plus minutes long. So the credits were just.
00:04:05
Speaker
Taking a dump and then use the zoom in feature. Don't use don't use rotate clockwise or counterclockwise because the headache just makes you dizzy. But anyways, go check out the deja vu visualizer. We'll post about it if we haven't already. Yep.
00:04:24
Speaker
And then in other news, we finally got our Facebook page back up and running. That was a complete hassle, but we're happy to say that we are now on all,
Mixing Techniques and Listening Skills
00:04:35
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basically all major forms of social media. We're keeping it going. Go give us a follow on Twitter. We got a total of three right now, so if you're in the first 10, maybe we'll give you a discount to some merch or something.
00:04:48
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Lastly our guests on the show Jake Abramson just put out a new single called composure It's really sick. We don't talk about composure in this episode But we do talk about some of his previously released music and they are all bangers I'm telling you go support local music and good music at that point
00:05:12
Speaker
And we are just now getting a surprise phone call from Spencer Daniels. What's up, dog? I'm just recording a podcast right now. You want to say what's up to Jake? What's up, dude? Let me call you in like 30 minutes or so, unless you want to say something to the to the podcast.
00:05:35
Speaker
I got nothing to say. PCL for life, baby. Hell yeah. That's what I'm talking about. All right. I'll call you in a bit. At least he got the name right. Hell yeah. At least he got the band name right. Thanks, Spence.
00:05:48
Speaker
If you guys want to be featured on an episode of the PCL Podcast, just call us while we're doing these records and we'll answer it and we'll put you on the spot. Well, Jake, I think that just about covers it for the updates. Cool. Right now we're going to take a quick break and we'll be back with Jake Abramson.
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Inspiration Behind 'Stitch Me'
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00:07:45
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The reason that I do this and I listen to a song for hours on end is because I love when the band or the artist tells me that I brought their vision to life. I actually hated mixing. When I first started music, I wanted to actually be an artist.
00:08:04
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And when mixing all my songs to get them radio ready, I found that I loved mixing more than that. So I went to college and I learned how to do it the proper way. Mixing is actually not something that you necessarily hear. It's something that your listeners are going to feel. It's that last 10 percent that's going to make you stand out and it's going to make your listeners interpret the song the way that you envisioned it.
00:08:34
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My name is Jake, and I am the founder of Treated Sound, and I can't wait to work on your project. Jake, thanks for being here. Thank you. I know once we started working together, we're all trying to get this podcast stuff going. We're like, we have to have Jake on here. Yeah, absolutely. We love all the work you do. You get the vision that we're trying to get to.
00:09:02
Speaker
And all the mixes that you've done so far, we love them. We couldn't be happier about it.
Technical Challenges and Mixing Influences
00:09:07
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Absolutely. Man, I love hearing that. Introduce you to our world of... Heck yeah. I like being in places where I'm liked. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Well, welcome. Welcome. Thank you. Welcome, and you are now welcome. Just kidding. I'm actually going to fix your camera real quick. Okay. We're going to get this on the podcast.
00:09:26
Speaker
Jake, go ahead and talk. This Jake. That's been one thing that's been very difficult is communicating. Remember, we agreed. It's like Jake S and JK, right? Yeah. Real question here. Is your real name Jacob? It is actually Jacob. Okay. That's what I thought. But I'd never go by Jacob. If somebody calls me Jacob, then the last time I saw you was seven years old.
00:09:51
Speaker
We're running the shit all entirely ourselves. So that's why it's a little, a little sloppy. You usually have a worker here doing the switchers, but switchers, the switcher, the switcher. Oh, okay. I think this is all staying in the podcast. Yeah. Might as well. It's fun. You know, it is fun. It's fun. Like this whole time that you've been setting things up.
00:10:17
Speaker
No, no, I'm gonna take that out. I'm gonna take that out. All the black screen stuff. Yeah, no, no, no. But just this stuff, since we got the cameras on us, we're gonna talk about some music today. We're gonna talk about your influences, some gear that you use. We're gonna talk about what you're currently working on, all that sort of stuff, where you wanna start.
00:10:46
Speaker
Oh man, let's start on your songs. Okay, let's do it. We've had quite a few projects together now.
00:10:56
Speaker
I know what I think your influences are, but if you had to list two bands that literally give you the most, I have, I almost like want to write it down to like, see if I guess it right, but I want to do it. I want to do it here. I'm going to take my phone. I'm going to write it down on my phone and then I'm going to flip it around. Okay. But put it, put it on. Okay. Yeah, we can do that. Okay.
Songwriting Advice on Catchiness and Structure
00:11:20
Speaker
That'll work. I'll flip it around. So here's, let us know when you're ready.
00:11:25
Speaker
And then I'll say one and then you say one. So one and then the other. Yeah. And I guess like maybe if you hear the songs, like you won't necessarily hear that, but this is kind of what we want to get to.
00:11:43
Speaker
Okay. Well, I wrote mine down. Okay. Go for it. I'm going to have you say first. I think we should say it first. Yeah, you say it first and then I got mine. Okay. Angels and airwaves. Okay. Data remember. Okay. Let's see how close. Let's see how close- It doesn't look like it's the same ones. No, it's not close because yours isn't as heavy to me. No, I know. And that's what I'm saying.
00:12:07
Speaker
That's what we pretty much want to get to gotcha like we take a little bit mostly from those two Yeah, the blink and stuff like that. Okay, so that's what I had I had some 41 and blink 182 Okay, I could I could definitely see that you would know that because like that's where you're out with the with the mixing. Yeah right now Yeah, absolutely writing style lyrically I felt like that's where I feel like they're more
00:12:36
Speaker
I see the lyrics with more some 41 than Blink 182. Yeah, more like that punk type vibe. Mm-hmm.
00:12:42
Speaker
Yeah, like they're not so I mean they're some of it's kind of goofy and inappropriate funny I'm mixing because you know when I'm mixing your tracks. I have to listen for you know eight hours to a single song and You know I have to take breaks, but I go and I'm singing your lyrics in my head because I'm going to sleep. I'm like
00:13:12
Speaker
Good press. Yeah. Hey, man. I mean, look, if it's good enough to stick, then there you go. But when I'm listening to them, there's some lyrics where I'll hear it and I'll just start laughing. When I hear it for the first time, I'm just like, dude, did you really say that? That's what we're going for. And I'm guessing it's the last song that you're talking about. The last one that we were talking about. So what was that one? What was that? There was one line in particular that I remember listening
00:13:41
Speaker
And I was just like, what is it? You know it. What is it? Do you remember? There's a ton. Yeah. And that. But there's one. We can talk about. Is it in the chorus? Yes. Yes. What is it? What is it again? It's been a couple of weeks. Is it the last song that you mixed? Yes.
Effective Mixing Techniques and Listener Engagement
00:13:59
Speaker
Well, the whole chorus is really inappropriate. It is. But there is one lyric, just one. Slamming bitches and cocaine. Dude, when I heard that for the first time, I was just like, okay, this is where I'm at for the next eight hours.
00:14:21
Speaker
Yeah, but okay, but it's good. It's it's it's memorable like when I walked away I was singing that in my head for sure It's been a couple weeks since I've heard the song, but if I played it. Oh, it just go right back into it Yeah, super catchy like one thing that I'll go into is like for your artists that are listening to this
00:14:44
Speaker
There's a formula on how to write a catchy song and you guys fucking nail it like every time it's like no I'm serious It's you want to hit the triad all three notes of the triad of the root of that song if you're doing this on the triad You're gonna get a catchy melody every time. It's it's like
00:15:03
Speaker
A lot of new bands that aren't really popular, a huge, I wouldn't say mistake, but area where they can improve to get more listeners is when they do these really creative melodies. And their melodies don't repeat themselves and there's nothing getting stuck in your head.
00:15:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's got to have some sort of structure and formula. But it also can't have too much variation. So I read this. I forgot where I read it. But Taylor Swift, you know why she's so successful? I personally don't listen to her Taylor Swift. But as an artist, she has accomplished things that a lot of people have not. Almost everybody. Almost nobody has. Basically everybody.
00:15:50
Speaker
So I read something that she has, I believe the number, don't quote me on this, but it was a 73% repetition rate. So her songs were 73% repetitive. That is why she is so popular and why she's so famous is because everybody remembers it. So when you do these super creative melodies, your listener doesn't remember it.
00:16:16
Speaker
And you guys do that very well. I'm sorry, Andrew, keep going. Oh, yeah. No, I mean, I was just going to say, I mean, whenever I listen to your songs, it's predictable in a good way. And that's what you want. Like, if you're shocking your listener too many times, they're not interested because they're like, that's not where I wanted it to go. And everybody wants it their way. Right. So when you do give the listener what they want, it's nice. Yes. I think there is some article on this. I don't remember where I saw it.
00:16:46
Speaker
The normal listener's attention span is only good for like two and a half minutes. All you listeners are goldfish is what Jake's saying. It's actually less. Jake Sperling. I believe it. Do you know the average skip rate?
Mixing Workflow and DAW Preferences
00:17:01
Speaker
30 seconds? Seven. You have seven seconds to capture your audience's attention. So when these people want to do these long intros and these artists want to do these long, they're like, oh, it's so cool. And it's like this. And it's like, that's great. As long as you're making music for you, great. Do it all day long. But if you're doing it to get noticed,
00:17:23
Speaker
you're trying to get big, you better shorten that. You better get to the point. If you're not to the chorus in 30 seconds, you are not making radio. It's just, that's a fact. Right, for sure. I guess. Jay's like to bring it to you, but then the next song you're gonna do is like, it's got like a two and a half minute intro. Nice, nice. That's where you're gonna see the Angels and Airways influence. But that's okay. On an album, that's okay. Right. Because you can have that diversity.
00:17:51
Speaker
But when you're trying to talk about a single or something where you're like, we got gold right here, like this is a song that people are going to be singing in the crowd back to us with their hands up, you know, that kind of a moment. That's one that I would caution people to stay away from long intros unless you have some crazy cool melody or something super memorable. Like there are songs where they have long intros.
00:18:17
Speaker
And they are super popular, but they had something about them that was memorable. A sound or a guitar or a synth or something, melody, that you're like, oh, that comes on. You already know what it is. Well, even then, those songs that you're talking about with the long intros, they have repetition.
00:18:36
Speaker
Built into the built-in to the like the structure of that you know it's all about like following a structure and you were talking about like how we Outline the triads and like I would even take that a step further and say that you know like we're outlining the chord Progressions with it and then you know you hit you hit the triads you got like your like root
00:18:58
Speaker
notes that you can do stuff around right and then you kind of dance around those chord tones and then You know just take it from there, and then that even subdivides even further into Okay, now you got I got like the bass
00:19:19
Speaker
Melody down and now you now you're doing okay. So you're doing this part one. It's like a a B a C sort of thing, you know most most good melodies Only repeat three times and then there's something different. You know what I mean? I
00:19:40
Speaker
You could do it that way. I mean, if you look at Chainsmokers closer, the whole thing is the exact same melody. And it's one of the most played and streamed songs out there. Right. So I mean, it's all subjective. You know what I mean? Do you have a good melody or not? Is it good? Is it good? Is that really what it is? Right, exactly. Is it a good melody?
00:20:03
Speaker
If people want to sing it if someone can sing it back to you or even just hum it and you catch them Like so I am an artist too, right? So I write music myself and and that's the kind of structure I try to fall under
00:20:17
Speaker
while doing heavier stuff as well. And when I have somebody that I catch them humming it right after we just finished playing the song, that's like the ultimate compliment that you can get as an artist. 100%. Even if they don't know the lyrics because they just heard it once, but the fact that they could hum that, it's incredible. It's a fun feeling.
00:20:36
Speaker
Jake is an artist himself. JK. And he releases music as they sold me a sunset. And you were just talking about songs that get fucking stuck in your head. Holy shit.
00:20:53
Speaker
let's get a fucking needle drop let's get a needle drop we'll let you uh pick which song you want to uh you want to pick one i would say let's go with uh stitch me yeah that's that's that's that one gets stuck in my head yeah stitch me seriously i know it's really close like right here
00:21:36
Speaker
Take me back to the times you pulled me out I wish I could have done the same So I bet you none of you know what this song is about. If you had to guess what this song is about, what would you say it was?
Mastering Genre Mixing and Rock Preference
00:21:57
Speaker
I could not tell you. Is it about tattoos?
00:22:02
Speaker
It's not. Oh, wow. So we got something weird going on here. I'm connected to Spotify playing, but I think Jake's got the volume control. Just hit me. Nice. Oh, OK. Never mind. That ain't me. It's not me either. Mine's not playing. So listen to the lyrics right here. Back to the time you pulled me out.
00:22:32
Speaker
I don't really know what you're saying there. Even though you're gone now. Even though you're gone now. Is it about what you were talking about? It's actually not him, but it's somebody else. It's actually Chester from Lincoln Park. Oh really? Dude, when he died, that was like my first real celebrity that like died. And Lincoln Park. You mean like first real celebrity that died where you're like,
00:22:58
Speaker
I'm going to post about it. I'm going to do this. Not even that, but something that really fucking hurt you. I got a couple of people like that where I'd feel the same. I never had that before. Lincoln Park was my first band. My parents wouldn't let me listen to Lincoln Park growing up. I went on LimeWire. I downloaded their stuff on LimeWire, hit it, put on a little MP3 before the iPods were a thing.
00:23:27
Speaker
I just loved them. I loved every song, everything by them. They could do no wrong in my eye. When he passed, I legit cried. I couldn't even explain why. I've never met the guy. I actually never even got the chance to see him in concert, actually. I've seen everybody, but I have not seen them in concert.
00:23:53
Speaker
So I was just in my room and I was just feeling really down because I just watched a ton of videos on him killing himself and what his wife had to say and how she was feeling, what the band had to say and like how he died and everything. And I just got up. I was taking a shower and I got out and I was just like, dude, I'm feeling really fucking depressed right now.
00:24:14
Speaker
and I like went and I just and I wrote that song and so like the all I taste is the metal in the back of my mouth is just like me just Catching myself grinding my cheek when I'm like in the back and I start to bleed like I literally like open up blisters when I get stressed and so that's what was happening when I was reading this and when I was feeling it and I was just like
00:24:34
Speaker
Man, I wish I could have done for you what you did to me. Like I wish that he could have known that he affected me this much and here's a song that I have back for you. Right. And that's literally what Stitch Me was about. Well, but that's I mean, that's what we do as artists, right? Like we want to like impact anybody, even if it's like one person. One person. If one person comes to me and said that my song changed their life.
00:25:03
Speaker
Done. That's it. Like, I don't even care about a single more Spotify stream. If somebody said, my life pulled them out of the darkest place and they're here because of me.
00:25:14
Speaker
That'd be amazing. That's crazy. That would be fucking rad. And not only that, it doesn't have to be so monumental, but just something that gets you through a certain point. Yeah, just a really low point. I was on repeat. And that's what Lincoln Park did for me. That's where it started. First ban, then Underoath was after.
00:25:37
Speaker
Hell yeah. Only Chasing Safety album. That was like... Unbeatable. Yeah, someone gave it to me on a CD and I listened to that on my Walkman over and over and over. That was like my jam for a while. Fuck yeah. Anyway, yeah, that's what Stitch Me was about. It was actually a really hidden, cool meeting that...
00:25:58
Speaker
When you get to explain it, I feel like it's fun. When someone's listening, they're like, like you said, oh, I don't really know what you're saying. I don't know what it's really about. And it's like, I get to share it. It's fun. Dude, I love that. I love that.
00:26:14
Speaker
I feel like people, like when you listen to songs, you don't really know what they're about, like really know what they're about. Like people say like, oh yeah, it's about this, this, and this, but you don't like, you don't really know. No, no. You don't fully know the whole story. You get an idea. Yeah. But, and I mean, if you, if you listen to the words of it, like if you ever go back and you listen to it again,
00:26:34
Speaker
Listen to the lyrics now that you know what it is and it walks you through the whole like I'm not leaving the house I'm depressed and then going through the bridge is like when I'm talking about just like I Finally get this moment of air and then it just fucking reminds me of something again Like it'll just pop in my head just again that I start all back over again. I'm right back where I started I
00:26:58
Speaker
From what I understand, you are a one-man show. I am. One-man show. Do you think that you would play live anytime soon? I mean, you're fucking... I get that question quite often. I have always wanted, like in theory, that sounds fun.
00:27:21
Speaker
I don't know if I could get over the stage fright. If I'm just being completely honest, and then it's like I'd have to find a band. I mean, I can't just get up there and play a track. Then it's karaoke. So I have to have some people doing it. Dude, you'd be surprised people do that. I work at the Canning Club. Yeah. That was my last job. And Flocka Seagulls. You know who the Flocka Seagulls are? I actually don't. They're an 80s band. OK. But you would know the songs if you heard them. I'm sure.
00:27:51
Speaker
They walked up there, two dudes, each playing their instrument, everything backing tracks. Like crazy synth, crazy drums, all backing tracks. I mean, I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm going to put that out there. No, I totally get what you mean. Like the karaoke. But literally, I'm just like me, one dude singing a really heavy metal song. I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to name the name. You could for sure get the people that would play with you.
00:28:21
Speaker
I could, I could. If I really went after it, I'm sure I could make it happen. I just like the mixing side of it so much better. To be honest with you, I get that question a lot. I like mixing better. I like mixing and mastering that side of it, taking my time in the studio, really crafting and molding a song, or even just writing the song in general. I enjoy that the most than stressing out about, you know,
00:28:51
Speaker
I mean, you guys know what goes into making a show. It's a lot of work. It's not just like you wake up and you're like, oh, cool, let's play a show today, like going to the park, you know? So but I love the mixing side. That's why I do what I do. You do a kick ass job at that. Thank you. On that note, we're going to take a break. So stay tuned and we'll be right back.
00:29:43
Speaker
Welcome back to the PCL podcast, everybody. Is that my line? Could be. Welcome back. We are we're with Jake Abramson and we're talking about music. We're talking about our music. We're talking about his music. But Jake does mixing and
New Music Recommendations and Band Styles
00:30:02
Speaker
mastering. He provides that as a service treated sound. Right.
00:30:08
Speaker
Treated sound like with the candy I'm thinking that's what we're gonna be talking about right here Well speaking of treated sound so I guess this is what would you rather do or what do you prefer? Well, I know we talked about like mixing king or being in a band like things like that, but would you rather like
00:30:33
Speaker
just get an album and mix it or have a band come in and you produce the whole thing? Oh, good question. I think I would rather do the mixing.
00:30:49
Speaker
With production, I love doing production. But production ends up being very long days that typically don't go along my timeline. It's like bands get really creative at really weird hours. So I have to be available at those weird hours. And then there's usually a fight or two that breaks out between the bands. Someone doesn't want this lyric, or that guitarist's cool, or the bass player wants this.
00:31:19
Speaker
So yeah with them with the mixing I get to go in the zone and I get to be creative and I just get a like Envision the space Like when I listen to a song before I ever start doing anything I literally just level and pan everything like I don't even touch EQ I don't first what's that?
00:31:37
Speaker
You do that first? Yeah. Yeah. Before I ever touch anyone's songs, before I ever touch PCL, when you give those stems, I put them in and I level them to an appropriate level of where I think everything should sit. And then I just listen.
00:31:54
Speaker
And that is before I ever start touching with any effects, which is why I always ask every one of my clients, don't put anything on it unless it is crucial to the sound. Unless you tell me, Jake, you'll never be able to create this sound. This is perfect the way it was. I got the flanger just right, then leave it.
00:32:13
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Which we have done which PCL has specifically done with the flanger So I mean was a was a filter but
00:32:32
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Anyways, but that was perfect. That was point being exactly if I can't recreate it then yeah, just send it That's what I'm gonna work with it. I'm gonna have a find a way to figure it out. Mm-hmm. But yeah, I think the the number one mistake that I made when I
00:32:49
Speaker
I first got a DAW and thought I was a producer slash fixing engineer was I'd go in and I'd get excited and start cutting everything. I'd cut out all the lows. I'd make sure all the lows are cut, make sure everything has below 50 hertz is all gone. Then I'd just start smashing everything with a limiter and I'm like, oh yeah, this is cool. Then I'll take it out to my car and it sounds like trash.
00:33:14
Speaker
First, you got to just listen to it and analyze what it needs. Every song's different. So with your guys's, that's what I do. Cool. Well, I guess this can bring to another question. Kind of more info than the question. Well, I just, yeah. No, no. Maybe that's good though. No, I like that. I love that. Can I interject real quick? I was just going to say, what advice would you give to a up and coming mixing engineer, somebody that
00:33:44
Speaker
That's never done it before. I mean, you kind of said it there with the don't don't EQ first level first, but like how. What what other advice would I mean? Honestly, that is so huge. And I think that's something that gets overlooked a lot, a lot. I think I think every time that I scroll Instagram or TikTok or whatever,
00:34:09
Speaker
I get an ad for this plugin's gonna change your life. Here's a quick hack to do this and this and it's like, there's no quick hacks. There's no hit quack. You have to sit there and you have to do something different for every song, for every band. There's no one size fits all, which is why the listening to the actual track itself is so important because you have to digest it. You gotta listen to it over and over. You gotta be like, okay, what is it missing? What does it need?
00:34:38
Speaker
where can I add things, where can I subtract, and then you go into it. And then you always take breaks. The one thing that is very easy to do is to be so into it, having so much fun, you don't take a break, your ears get fatigued, and then you listen back and you're like, dude, I suck.
00:35:02
Speaker
I should just stop right now. It's like, no, you're not that bad, but your ears are fatigued. Is that your hair follicles in your ears? They rest after a certain period of time?
00:35:19
Speaker
I'll be honest with you, I'm not a scientist. I just know that when you listen to music for too long, I know that you should keep it at 75 dB. If you go above 75 dB when you're mixing, you're going to start to make mistakes a lot sooner. 75 dB is that... That's the volume that you listen to your music at. At 75 decibels, that is a safety rating. Okay.
00:35:47
Speaker
And you can listen to eight hours at 75 dB. I believe it's eight. It should be 75 to eight. But you should be taking breaks every like, is it every 30 minutes, every two hours? Every two hours, every two hours. Huge pro tip, do not solo. Do not solo, like ever. And if you do solo, then
00:36:14
Speaker
no more than less than five minutes. I mean, it needs to be brief. And here's why. Because when you listen to one single track,
00:36:23
Speaker
It could sound great. Great. You just made that track sound amazing. But in the grand scheme with the song, now it could be clashing with a bunch of stuff. So you need to be making cuts and decisions while the track is playing collectively together to see how it sounds. But anyway, I don't know if you can zoom in on this.
00:36:45
Speaker
On here, but I have this app called SPL meter. So what are we talking at right now? What's the decibel that it's reading at right now? It is reading at When you're talking, what does it say? 70, 72, 71, 72. So this is 75 is considered normal conversational level. Okay, okay You can listen to that for like eight hours without doing any harm to your ears without getting fatigued So
00:37:14
Speaker
When I'm mixing, I always set my volume and I don't touch it. It's so, so hard for people to not, including myself, sometimes when you're like, dude, I just mix this thing. This sounds fire. I just want to crank this, right? When you listen to things loud, you make bad decisions. Give us an example.
00:37:37
Speaker
I could show you a catalog of my old music when I started. No, seriously, but literally, if you listen loud, your bass will be off. You'll start cutting high-end sounds, trimming them, thinking that they're too high-end, but it's actually just too loud. You can make those types of errors, but keeping it at one level
00:38:05
Speaker
and staying there. It's very hard. It takes a very self controlled human being to do it. I mean, even myself, sometimes I'm fighting the urge, but I know that I need to be able to have a the same reference. So when I make changes, I need to be able to see back and forth. How is it sounding? And if I'm going up and down in volume, I'm going to lose. I have no reference.
00:38:28
Speaker
So, yeah, I know it's not a lot of plug-in tips and things like that, that I know everybody wants that quick hat of, what compressor do you use? What EQ do you use? Those things, when those are mastered, then you go into that. But it's like, you gotta walk before you run type deal.
00:38:48
Speaker
And I learned that the hard way. I wasted so much time doing that until I finally like I went to school called Icon Collective. It's actually in LA or like Burbank area and in California in case your listeners don't know where we are. So it's a school that you know I went in there and they opened my eyes to all these mistakes I was making. I'm just like
00:39:14
Speaker
I've wasted so much time. If I had only known that, so here's my gift to the world. Stop doing that shit. But to know, because I know I like to listen to music very loud. Yeah, most people do. It's fun. You feel the energy. And there's a time and a place.
00:39:31
Speaker
And I like to listen to music loud too after I'm done with the session, after I'm done with the work, after I want to enjoy it, when I'm walking away, then I'll crank it and I'll be like, all right, cool. Sounds great. I'll leave and I'll come back.
00:39:46
Speaker
And just to promote Treated Sound a little bit more since we have them here, and we're going to be doing a ton more promotion of Treated Sound, that ad that you saw in the first ad break, that's going to be running. It's going to be running in the podcast.
Band Experiences and Lively Music Discussion
00:40:01
Speaker
He gets it right, if not the first time, the second time. If not the second time, the third time.
00:40:09
Speaker
I don't think we've ever gone past a third. No. No. We've never gone past... I think they're little tiny things. Never like overall sound. I don't know if we were talking about it when we were rolling here, but like with the MIDI thing. I think that was the biggest problem of anything. Dude, I nailed two of them the first time. First time, and they're like, drums don't sound right. We just got this. I'm like, we're like, what the fuck? The MIDI that was sent was wrong.
00:40:35
Speaker
but it wasn't yeah it wasn't your fault no it's fine i'm gonna i'm gonna say it wasn't our fault i'm gonna say it was jake's fault you're gonna it was western digital's fault for the sake of the podcast there you go fuck you western digital it's their fault yes um but that i mean that's like one thing that uh producers mixing engineers and artists all have to uh work on it doesn't matter i mean there's
00:41:04
Speaker
I'm not going to say a million DAWs, but there's a handful of DAWs that everybody is working with, and I think the key to really take your productions and your music to the next level is being able to collaborate with people that work in different settings and environments.
00:41:25
Speaker
Yeah, like we did. Shout out to Tyler. He's going to be mastering your album, and I'm doing a lot of the heavy lifting on the mixing, and he helped out with mixing as well. So being able to collaborate with that kind of stuff, like you said, is very important.
00:41:42
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Yeah. Working working with different, you know, settings and stuff. The one thing that I was going to say was like with logic in general, you can't fucking export just a mono track. Right. I mean, you know this. I might. So one thing I was going to ask you about is like is mono versus dual mono. It's the same thing. I think so too. It's the same thing.
00:42:12
Speaker
You can argue it. There's some people that are going to argue it. Here's what I know. When I get a dual mono track and I switch it into mono, it sounds the same whether I'm going to mono or not going to mono. Because it's the same information on both.
00:42:28
Speaker
on both channels. It's just two sides. There's no stereo information. So dual mono means that you're taking up stereo file information and you're having just two mono tracks play at the same time of the same duplicate of each other because there's no stereo information that's on the left or the right. It's all the same. Right. I agree. But that being said, it's a really annoying wave format. I hate it. What, dual mono? Yeah.
00:42:57
Speaker
I know well, I mean I work with people like I work with people that that do mainly like video editing and stuff and I'll send them I'll send I used to do this, but I would like send them a fucking Dual mono track even though you know you and I we're all agreeing that it's fucking mono has mono information Whatever and they fucking complain that it
00:43:22
Speaker
it's stereo and I'm like motherfucker it is mono it's motherfucking mono and this is a tip pro tip from us um if you're working in a certain environment where you know you're not getting the type of files that you need understand how to work with it be able to convert a dual mono track to a mono track or
00:43:50
Speaker
even be able to fucking split. Or don't. Or don't. It's a mono track. I know. You know? Yeah. And also learning how to convert stereo to mono, mono to stereo. Those are the basics. So I don't work in Logic. I did when I went to Icon. I had to. But then after Icon, I never opened it again.
00:44:16
Speaker
There's really no way to for a button that says preserve mono tracks There's all those buttons, but they don't work. This is the workaround. This is a workaround We're gonna grab this as a clip the workaround for Exporting a mono track you export it as split
00:44:37
Speaker
It will spit out a Jake Sperling vocal left, Jake Sperling vocal right. You delete a few characters, delete the duplicate track, and then boom, you got a fucking true mono track. It's extra work. Can I shout out something right now? Go ahead. Shout out Studio One. Oh, my gosh. I'll literally press Command, Command E. Oh, sorry. Command Shift E, OK?
00:45:06
Speaker
and then you press preserve mono you will bounce all tracks individually with the correct name in mono like spitting out like every single track the stems if you wanted to if you wanted so if it's stereo if it's stereo it'll keep it in stereo but if it's mono it'll preserve mono
00:45:24
Speaker
And it and it'll spit out all the fucking every one of them like that Anyway, that's my shout out But also also with studio one I mean you're telling me about this like you you just you just started like working with studio one not too long ago about a year ago and I can never go back it is it literally the
00:45:45
Speaker
most life-changing digital audio workstation I've ever worked with. I've worked Pro Tools, I've worked Ableton, I've worked Logic. I wouldn't call myself anything dabbling in FL, but I have friends that love and swear by FL, so I've produced with them.
00:46:10
Speaker
there is no DAW that can do what this DAW does. I mean, it has built-in vocal line, it has built-in Melodyne, and it will play it in real time with ARA2 memory, okay? So if I delete something, you don't have to rerecord all of your Melodyne. You don't have to print and freeze it. You don't have to do anything. I could go on and on about the cool things about Studio One, but anybody who is
00:46:35
Speaker
frustrated with their DAW, frustrated with the mono situation. Look into Studio One. It has features that you've always wanted, but your DAW never had it. That's all I'm going to say.
00:46:52
Speaker
I know I get a bunch of hate because like Reapers are going to come at me and like, like, uh, you know, people at logic and pro tools, they, you know, they'll, you know, people that work in Reaper. No, just producers, anybody in general. I mean, a lot of Reddit people work in Reaper. I don't know any people that work in Reaper, but a lot of Reddit people do, especially in metal bands. It's actually a really popular metal band because it's a fucking, because it sounds metal.
00:47:19
Speaker
No, because it's metal. No, no, no, because it because it's super, super light on CPU. Like the program itself can be done on a flash drive. Like it's like that small. It literally is. It's like opening a Word document file. It's that light. That's so it has some really cool benefits to it. There's I've I've read some some some features that I wouldn't do it.
00:47:47
Speaker
It's very cost-effective though, so if someone doesn't want to drop 600 bucks on a program like Ableton or Studio One or, gosh, Pro Tools is so expensive with their subscription now.
00:48:01
Speaker
How much does Studio One cost? So there's a few different versions. You have a free version, you have an artist version, and you have a pro version. So the artist version I think is $300.
00:48:18
Speaker
I think 200 200 or 300 it's very competitive with like a logic and then this the studio is Think 500 or 600 now or something like you said it comes with melodyne it comes with vocal line which comes with melodyne essentials You would have to buy that otherwise which you're gonna need it. You're gonna need melodyne You're gonna need vocal line if you're using any DAW
00:48:42
Speaker
And it comes with all of your stock stuff. And I mean, honestly, third-party plugins are great, but sometimes they're a lot more work and trouble than they're worth, because that's when things mess up, too. So if everyone is always like, oh, I always have to have third-party, dude, stock plugins, sometimes that is going to save your mix from crashing, or it's just going to make your workflow a lot faster. Absolutely. I totally agree.
00:49:08
Speaker
Like I mean, maybe we can get a little more personal with you. So let's say you're mixing one.
00:49:15
Speaker
type of music okay it can be sub genre of a sub genre okay what would that be if I like like if I could personally if you had a preference like this band this type of bands gonna send me an album to mix like a my choice not like the band necessarily but like the style of music a day to remember I prevail okay that shit all day long oh like like
00:49:39
Speaker
Metalcore, hardcore, popcorn type. Metalcore, I guess you can call it that genre, yeah. That's what I love. I mean, if anybody sends me that or anything that resembles Blink-182 or Neckdeep, I'm happy to work on that as well.
00:49:54
Speaker
That's like my favorite too. I mean, obviously I'm going to work on anything but like people come to me who make that kind of music. They come to me because they know like you guys have found out. I understand the vision. I get it. I know what sound you're trying to tell me because I know all those bands that you can find in any one of those sub genres. I've listened to it all.
00:50:17
Speaker
I could probably sing the lyrics to them all. So when you tell me, dude, my influence was Silverstein with a little Hawthorne Heights on this one, I'm like, okay, I got you. I know where you're going with that. Great bands, by the way. Yes. Absolutely. How important do you think it is to be able to mix
00:50:36
Speaker
multiple genres. So even beyond the sub-genre of a specific type of music, like EDM, or rap, or jazz, or reggae, or anything like that, not necessarily saying that that's what you'll get, but how important do you think it is to be able to mix everything that you're given?
00:51:03
Speaker
So this is my personal opinion, okay? This is like not fact, but my personal opinion is if you know the basic principles, foundations, and balance to mixing, just mixing in general, you can do any genre.
00:51:27
Speaker
But I personally feel for myself, at least I'm going to speak for myself, I like to mix rock. I don't really mix that much rap. I really don't mix that much hip hop. I don't really mix that much EDM. I have. I do some. But I like rock. And I think that it takes years and years and years of practice
00:51:52
Speaker
to master any genre. So just because you know how to mix doesn't mean that you can automatically do that genre like with rock.
00:52:01
Speaker
specifically finding gain tones in a guitar amp, finding the space compression size and speed in metal drums is so different than mixing like an Olinium style track. You know what I mean? Where it's mainly like sound design and Splice will give you pretty much pre-compressed stuff that if you compress it anymore, you lose all your song. You know, so like, Olinium doesn't do that.
00:52:31
Speaker
If you're trying to make a Selenium song, that's probably where you'll start. Maybe, I don't know, maybe you don't. You make your own in your bedroom, that's a cool place to do it too. It's very different, I think that focusing on a genre, it'll take you years to master that genre.
00:52:48
Speaker
Well said. Love it. Love it. Thank you so much for taking the time to come onto the show. We're looking forward to the next time that you come back onto the PCL pod. Let us know where people can find you. Okay. Well, thanks for having me.
00:53:05
Speaker
That means your home address and all your credit card information, everything like that. Sure. Let me just get that for you. So you can find me on at treated sound on anything. That's my tag. I got all the ones. There's no ones and zeros. There's no underscores. It's just treated sound.
00:53:25
Speaker
You can also find me at treatedsound.com. If you are interested in any of my mixing services, then that's where you can submit an inquiry. Tell me about your project. We can take a look at it and see if this is something that I would want to take on for you. Awesome.
00:53:42
Speaker
Well, Jake, again, thank you. I know we really appreciate you being here and all the work you're doing for us. So again, thank you. So now grab your shakers, grab your pens and paper. It's time for PCL bar. Welcome back to the PCL bar. Today we're making green tea shots. We're going to fill the ripe cocktail with some ice. We're going to do two shots of Jmo, two shots of peach schnapps.
00:54:13
Speaker
And two shots of sweet and sour. It's about right. Sweet and sour is what's gonna give it the green tea look. Then, just gonna shake this bitch. You couldn't see it? Then what blended in? Fuck. Grab a chilled shot glass. Fill it about yay high. We're gonna top it with some Sprite. That's how you make a green tea shot.
00:54:40
Speaker
Welcome back, everybody. Jake, what did you think of that drink? Honestly, it was probably my favorite one so far. If you couldn't tell, we had quite a few of those before we recorded it. And you can always tell based on the shirt that I'm wearing in the podcast and the shirt that I'm wearing with the PCO bars if we recorded them in the same day. And we usually do it beforehand, too. But yeah, definitely go drink that. It's amazing. Cool. Well, now, Kyle.
00:55:08
Speaker
We got some new music for everybody. Is that is that what we got left? That's what we got left. Let's talk about what we've been listening to. You want to take it away? Yeah. From Orlando, Florida. They got over 280,000 monthly listeners. They're a pop band. I feel like I wait. Hold on real quick. I just want to interrupt. It feels like you're like a game show host right now. That's what literally exactly how you said it when you told me to do it.
00:55:34
Speaker
yeah not like it you're like from from orlando florida with no that's that's exactly what from orlando florida the
Podcast Conclusion and Listener Interaction
00:55:44
Speaker
280 000 followers weighing at combined 627 pounds pop punk band by the name of go ahead you take it away throw it yeah i mean if you
00:56:05
Speaker
I love that. I mean, I think we should that's what we should introduce all these bands. Keep that in there. Keep that in there. Well, I will. I will. Yeah, I love that. I love that shit. You want to tell me a little bit about tell listeners about four or eight.
00:56:19
Speaker
Yeah, so basically they're like emo pop-up band, heavily influenced by Blink-182. Just listening to their tracks you can obviously tell. Right on. We are too. Probably. Yeah, absolutely. One of my favorite tracks probably is Backfired. It also features Taylor Acorn, who's also awesome. That's actually how I found out about 4.08 was because I follow Taylor Acorn on
00:56:44
Speaker
social media and she put out this song. So I started listening to them and they're awesome. They're super cool. Yeah, I agree. Early 2000s pop punk feel and it's mixed with a hint of with a very modern pop punk. Yeah, it's awesome. They're absolutely killing it right now.
00:57:05
Speaker
especially their social media, their TikTok is awesome. If you've been on TikTok or Instagram and you listen to this type of music, you've definitely heard of them before. They're awesome. Are they playing any shows right now? I don't think that they're on like a tour per se, but I know they have been playing shows.
00:57:30
Speaker
recently I followed him on social media. I just saw something that they did, that they put out like a little flyer trying to get people to come and show up for a music video. Yeah. That's pretty tight. Their music videos are pretty sick too. Yeah. That's sick. I'm hoping we could get all of our listeners to come to a live recording of our podcast.
00:57:56
Speaker
We'll do it in my bedroom. Let us know if you guys would show up. What do you got? Okay, so I got from Connecticut. They got...
00:58:10
Speaker
This is a little lesser known band, which is why I'm super stoked to talk about them because I think that their music deserves to be played over the airwaves across many nations. They've got 1300 listeners on Spotify right now and counting and counting.
00:58:28
Speaker
Uh, they're listed as punk, but they sound, you know, they fit the emo pop punk genre. Uh, they are called Sunday morning and my favorite track by them is run for cover. It's got the, you know, title fight sort of vibes, um, which.
00:58:47
Speaker
hopefully our listeners love. If you guys listen to any of the bands like Boston Manor, Can't Swim, Microwave, or The Plot and You, you should definitely check them out. That's right up
00:59:02
Speaker
Your alley, they kick ass, listen to the their EP, Nothing Matters on Spotify, Apple Music, wherever. Fucking dope. You will not be disappointed. It puts you right in the fields, like I was talking about with with Pat from Unsigned Pop Punk. It's one of those bands that, you know, you just want more, you want more. All right, what else you got?
00:59:26
Speaker
And here we got a, we got actually a local band. They're, they're, they're right close to us in Los Angeles. They got 22,000 followers. Do you want to go TV their house? We can go TV their house or their studio. Um, they're an emo, uh, easy core band is on their, on their website and stuff. They can help elder emo, emo band, right?
00:59:51
Speaker
Um, I don't, I don't know. They just say, uh, on their website, they say emo, but I mix them in with like easy core and stuff like that. Yeah. Um, they just released a single called cough and it's fantastic. It's awesome.
01:00:07
Speaker
Their last few singles that they released are also really good too. Old Friends. You guys will probably know about them or have heard about them from TikTok because they put out a cover of Van Halen's jump. They did like a metalcore version of Jump.
01:00:24
Speaker
And it's so good. You showed me that a while ago. And I was listening to them. It's awesome. Yeah, they've got some great, great tunes out. To me, it reminds me, tell me if I'm wrong here or if I'm hitting it right on the, if I'm hitting the nail on the head. A little bit of cap stand vibes.
01:00:42
Speaker
Yeah, I think like Capstan mix with Chunk No Cap'n Chunk. Okay. Okay. Just like the easy core. I can see that.
01:00:55
Speaker
They're not touring right now. They just finished a bunch of shows. They just played a chain reaction, which we've also played there, which is pretty sick. So be on the lookout for these guys, because they're killing it too. I love seeing that those shows that we played, or those videos that we played when we were on tour, I love seeing that
01:01:16
Speaker
Bands that we listen to are playing there regardless of like how big or small they are Most of the time they're bigger than us playing at those places, but they're it's fucking tight
01:01:28
Speaker
Got to start somewhere. Got to start somewhere. OK, and then I'm going to I'm going to wrap up the music Rex with a band that Jake, I think you've been telling you actually told me about them a while ago. And I might have like listened to a track or two, but it didn't really hit.
01:01:48
Speaker
until a little bit later. They're from Long Island, New York. They got 34,000 monthly listeners on Spotify. Their metalcore band name is Deadlands. And the track you're hearing right now is called Crushed.
01:02:04
Speaker
I saw their vocalists, I think there's actually a video of the entire band doing a one take play through of this song and like the guitarist Phil going into like the chorus or out of the chorus or whatever, dude it just like, that is absolutely just filthy.
01:02:28
Speaker
You know, I was like, I'm going to listen to their entire catalog, which I've done plenty of times. This band has been on repeat a lot recently, aside from, you know, our music that we go to sleep with. But anyways, yeah, they're they're fucking dope. A cool, fun fact about them is that Anita Strauss, Dallas Cooper,
01:02:56
Speaker
She actually posted about Casey Carlson and said that she was going to be touring with Nita's other band called Lions at the Gate.
01:03:12
Speaker
She posted about her on, posted about it on her IG. I honestly think that is when I was like, all right, this chick is absolutely legit. She does like the one takes through the songs. Yeah. And these are like, they're like hard songs to sing. Yeah. Full on gutter rolls and then like switching from gutter roll to clean. Yeah, that's. More talent than I can ever imagine.
01:03:41
Speaker
Yeah, she's she's fucking amazing. Absolutely kicks ass. And their band is dope. Looking forward to seeing what what they got coming up. And actually, they they got some shows coming up in August and September. I don't know if they'll if they're going to be in Los Angeles. Let me check right now.
01:04:02
Speaker
But if they are, we should definitely go check that out. Oh, yeah. They got some shows coming up in August and September, so you should definitely check it out. Good call. I see that right there. Nothing in Los Angeles. Nothing in Los Angeles? Yeah. Well, if you're listening to this and you're in any of the areas that they are playing in, go check them out.
01:04:25
Speaker
All right, Jake, I mean, I think that I think that just about does it. This has been a good episode. I love. Yeah, I love doing this is this is something I want to do. I want to talk about music. You know what I mean? Mm hmm. Are you going to shock me right there? We're going to get a button for Kyle. Actually, it's going to be a shock color and I'm going to have the button for every time he says, you know. Because I guess he says it after every sentence.
01:04:53
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It creates a ton of edits for myself. So that's what we're going to do. We're going to do an episode and release it as is. No edits. And it's going to be a drinking game for everybody and see how hammered everybody can get. They're going to take a shot every time you say, you know.
01:05:10
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All right, that's gonna do it for today's show. The PCL podcast is produced entirely by PCL. You can follow us on Instagram, Twitter, TikTok, at PCL underscore CA. We now have a Facebook page that you can find. It's PCL band CA. You can find our Facebook page at PCL band CA. I don't know if there's any ads with Facebook, but
01:05:35
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Go give it a search. You can find our music, merch, and stay up to date with all things PCL at PCLbandCA.com. You can also check out our website. We offer bonus content where you can support us for just a few dollars a month. It'll give you access to exclusive content, bonus episodes, studio tours, behind the scenes, covers, and so much more.
01:06:00
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Once again, head to our website and hit the bonus content drop down menu and subscribe for five bucks. And we really appreciate you guys support. Yep. Thank you so much for your support. Jake, how can people contact us? Yeah. So you can email us at PCL band, California at gmail.com or leave us a voice message and we'll play it on the PCL podcast at www.speakpipe.com. All these links will be in the show description.
01:06:28
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If you're listening to this on your favorite podcast player, make sure you're subscribed. If you are watching on YouTube, like, hit that bell notification and subscribe. I think that's how that goes. We got plenty more podcasts lined up. We've got a ton of music videos on YouTube. You can check them all out there. Yeah. Thank you for watching.
01:06:51
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Yeah. Thanks, guys, for watching. I'm Jake Sperling. And I'm Kyle McGraw. We'll see you next time. Oh, this just in. We need an ending tagline. We want to work on a new ending tagline for this podcast. Hit our speak pipe for that. Let us know what we should be saying right here. Right here. As this fades to black.