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Erika Hauesseler and an Orgy at the Orchestra
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Welcome to the first episode of The PCL Podcast with your hosts, Kyle and Jake! In this episode, we have a very special guest, Erika Hauesseler, who created the stunning artwork for our latest single "PCL Bar." We chat with Erika about her experience creating the artwork and delve into the world of AI art.
Kyle and Jake discuss a viral video of a woman having an orgasm during a performance by the LA Philharmonic. It's definitely an interesting topic and we have a lot to say about it!
Later, we announce our best pop punk band tournament bracket, which is currently happening on our Instagram. We also feature a voice message from a friend regarding this bracket, which we received through our Speakpipe. You can leave us a message here: speakpipe.com/pcl
Don't forget to check out our music links, including our presave link for our latest single "Say I Want You," which will be available everywhere on May 5th, 2023.
Check out our website for music, merchandise, news, and more www.pclbandca.com.
Support this show and our music for just $5 a month at www.pclbandca.com/bonus-content There you’ll find a bonus episode from this podcast along with unreleased music, exclusive merch, and behind the scenes looks into our production process.
PCL BAR: Key Lime Pie Shot
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* 1oz Lime Juice
* 1oz Simple Syrup
Links:
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* Podcast Streaming: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-pcl-podcast/id1591266821
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* Pre-save Say I Want You: https://distrokid.com/hyperfollow/pcl/say-i-want-you
* Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/pcl_ca/?hl=en
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Transcript
Introduction and Show Lineup
00:00:00
Speaker
Welcome to the PCL Podcast. On today's show, we've got L.A. Phil orgasm, we've got Erica Heisler, and then we've got SpeakPipes, baby. Let's do it. Welcome to the PCL Podcast, everybody. The show about a rock band from Southern California. My name is Kyle McGraw.
00:00:26
Speaker
And I am Jake Sperling, and I'm the co-host. Together, we are PCL. So this podcast is about our band putting out music and having a damn good time while we do it.
Podcast Format Changes
00:00:35
Speaker
On today's show, we got some updates for you. So we're no longer doing micropods. We have all of those uploaded to our website if you want to check those out. We're doing more full length podcast
00:00:53
Speaker
But we're going to do it twice a month as opposed to every week.
Monetization Clarification
00:00:58
Speaker
And in these upcoming episodes, we talk about having a Patreon. We do not have a Patreon. I just want to make that clear. If you want to get the bonus content,
PCL Bar Theme Song and Video Challenges
00:01:08
Speaker
head to pclbandca.com slash bonus hyphen content and for five bucks a month you can get everything that we would have put on a patreon we uh we released pcl bar recently that is uh pretty fucking kick ass uh you want to talk a little bit about that jake yeah uh pcl bar is essentially it's a theme song that kyle had written and we just use it for our pcl bar videos that we release on instagram
00:01:37
Speaker
I'm kind of pissed that we didn't add another verse to it because now we have to keep our bartending videos to a tight 46 seconds. Yeah. I'm going to give you the L on that one. I know. I'm just kidding. The song is actually fucking sick. The song is pretty
LA Phil Orgasm Incident
00:01:56
Speaker
fucking sick. I think the coolest part about it is just the story. Yeah. Like how it came and why you wrote it. I think that's the best part of it.
00:02:07
Speaker
speaking of coming, we're going to talk about LA films. Yeah, that's also on our bonus content. Um, but no, yeah, this, this past week, uh, I mean, literally today, like before we started recording this intro, uh, LA times put out an article saying that a woman had a full body orgasm during the LA Phil
00:02:34
Speaker
Performance, I guess they were performing a Tchaikovsky's fifth symphony and yeah, she just fucking came Have you have you listened to any Tchaikovsky before Jake not until right before this podcast. I mean, it's nice I don't go out of my way to listen to classical music, but I definitely appreciate it. You should man I mean and after this like clearly Clearly there's something to it
00:02:58
Speaker
I would never just put it on my phone and listen to it in the car. I'd want to either see it in person for a performance or watch it like how I have it on YouTube right now where I can actually see the whole performance and just see all the people that are playing and the crazy dude going like that. The conductor? No clue what he's doing. Yeah, the crazy dude.
00:03:21
Speaker
I wonder what it was because on the LA times article and, uh, and TMZ, I guess no one could get a statement from this woman that fucking, I guess just came all over. They interviewed some, some other person in here. I think this is my favorite part of the.
00:03:40
Speaker
of the article. So I saw, I saw the girl after it happened and I assumed that she had an orgasm because she was heavily breathing and her partner was smiling and looking at her. Like I think if I could just, I'd just be like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Or maybe, maybe. Have you ever seen those ads for like, uh, getting, like getting your girlfriend, the, the remote control vibrator? Mm-hmm.
00:04:08
Speaker
maybe the dude was like controlling that or something and like it was just getting to like a loud part and he thought that it would fucking like block the sound, you know what I mean? They had like a preset tempo to the vibrating. Yeah, yeah, it was synced up. And basically the climax of the song was gonna be her climax. Was gonna be her climax. I know, that's fucking crazy.
00:04:35
Speaker
I can see that being the reason, but then again, uh, I don't know if I've told you this before, but I had a, uh, I had an instructor in college and he, uh, we were, we were like studying the score, the soundtrack for American beauty. And this dude literally in front of a bunch of college students just started fucking crying. And he was just like, it's so beautiful. So I mean, music music's powerful, man.
00:05:05
Speaker
It is. We're going to make a t-shirt and our basically our new slogan is PCL bringing you full body orgasms since 2018. I love that.
00:05:15
Speaker
Absolutely does that is gold. I just literally imagine like it's fucking it's like coming to the climax and she's oh, oh god The piccolo, it's so nice and then like, you know The piccolo And then I just picture the string section just like dropping their fucking bows, you know people just like oh
00:05:42
Speaker
like in awe. Yeah. I mean, and then there's just like a fucking standing ovation, like a round of applause for the conductor, of course, because that's pretty fucking impressive, dude. Um, I mean, if you're a Tchaikovsky, I would take that as like the ultimate compliment. He was probably like the Justin Bieber, like back in the day.
00:06:01
Speaker
I mean, just imagine your music so good that you make people have full body orgasms. That's fucking amazing. I still think there was some, uh, there are some electronics involved in it. It's still excellent timing. Excellent timing.
Data Loss Story
00:06:17
Speaker
Yeah. Bravo. Good for what people are saying in this article, they're like, and her partner was smiling and looking at her in effort, not the shamer. And then the person's like, it was quite beautiful.
00:06:30
Speaker
Okay. I want to pull up full body orgasm LA Phil. And I'll play this as long as there's no copyright stuff. Okay. Woman allegedly has loud and full body orgasm. It was what gets me is that like,
00:07:02
Speaker
It wasn't Tchaikovsky's fourth, but as soon as he added the fifth, that's what fucking got her. You know what I mean? Like one finger, no. Two finger, no. Three finger, four finger, no. They want the whole fist. Whole fist, yeah. Tchaikovsky's fist. What if they're playing Tchaikovsky's fist? Okay. I don't know if you'll be able to hear this. Orgasm at the orchestra. This is fucking amazing. Can you hear this?
00:07:39
Speaker
That is intense. That was great. But you know, you know, it's even, uh, you know, it's even better than that. What's that? I was driving around with my brother. We're over by, uh, over by the Hollywood bowl and you know, there's billboards and stuff. LA Phil coming back to the Hollywood bowl, whatever, whatever you're saying. And, and Cody was like, who's LA Phil?
00:08:03
Speaker
like you thought it was a guy like imagine it's just like some little film out. Yeah. Like a little Phil, but there's just some dude LA Phil. Like I picture him being like a, like a homeless person just fucking walking around with like a machete or some shit. LA Phil. There he is. There he is.
00:08:21
Speaker
On today's episode, we got Erica Heisler with us. We're going to be talking about her creative process with designing the PCL bar artwork. We're going to talk to her a little bit about AI and art. We're going to make some art with AI using a dolly. And Erica is going to do a PCL bar for us later. All right, we're going to take a quick break. And when we come back, we got Erica Heisler.
00:08:46
Speaker
My fellow musicians, my fellow producers, and all victims of Western digital products, I'm here today to help save you a lot of grief and a lot of heartache in the future and hope that you learn from my mistakes.
00:09:00
Speaker
Stop fucking buying Western Digital products. Couple months ago, my Western Digital hard drive got the click of death. And I was nervous. I've had four years worth of music and personal projects on it. So I was looking online, looking for a place to take it. I found this recovery company and they wanted $500 up front just to take a look at it, just to open it up.
00:09:22
Speaker
and see what had happened. Now they had said that they had a 100% success rate with this particular Western Digital brand in the past. Little did I know they had only worked on three prior, but that's besides the point. They later said that their success rate was 60%. But either way, I spent the money and found out that they couldn't recover anything. I don't want you to make the same mistake I did
00:09:49
Speaker
I'm hoping this will prevent this from happening to you in the future. This is what I want you to do. If you own a Western Digital Drive, take all of your files, back it up onto an SSD or something like Dropbox and take your Western Digital Drive and use it for something useful. Target practice.
00:10:20
Speaker
Well, as you can see, it did not blow to smithereens, so we're gonna need to figure out how we're gonna take this motherfucker down. What do you think, Jake? C4. We're gonna fucking blow it up. Alright, so we just got back from the shooting range, and as you can see, it's a shitty fucking hard drive, but I guess it's pretty durable. We're gonna see if it works now. No click of death.
00:10:45
Speaker
Well, it doesn't work, but we still have one mission. Destroy this fucking drive. See you next week on Western Digital Sucks Ass.
Interview with Erica Heisler: Art and Design
00:10:58
Speaker
Welcome back to the PCL Podcast, everybody. We are now joined in the studio by Erica Heisler. She is a digital illustrator and graphic designer. Erica, thanks for being here.
00:11:12
Speaker
She actually flew in from Austin, Texas just to do this podcast. Is that right? Yes. Yeah. She's not from here or anything. It's not like Christmas Eve tomorrow or anything. It's just, I'm just here. Yeah, I know. She's being very generous with her time. Well, we wanted to talk to you about the artwork that you did for us. We love it. It's great. Thanks.
00:11:35
Speaker
Um, before we were on air, we were actually talking to Erica about giving the listeners a discount. If, uh, if you guys needed some artwork done, just head on over to Erica's Instagram and, uh, DM her the code word 90% off and you'll get a fat discount. Whoa. Is that, is that not accurate? 90% off of what?
00:12:00
Speaker
I don't know what services do you offer? The California tax. Any other state? No. That does kind of tie into what we're going to be talking to you about a little bit later, artificial intelligence and actually paying a like quality price, you know, for quality artwork, which you gave us. Do you want to like run us through the process of that?
00:12:24
Speaker
Yeah, so as far as like your guys's artwork, I think it was pretty, you had an idea, so it was kind of easier to come up with like a little bit of a draft just because you knew, like you had something in your head already, which is kind of, it's easier to work with clients like that than people that are like,
00:12:44
Speaker
Well, I don't know. You know, I kind of want this, but I'm not really sure because then at that point you're kind of just guessing and you're going down one avenue when they're thinking something completely different. That's not what they want. You know, it makes sense for people that don't really have like that much of a creative mind to be like, I have no idea what I'm looking for. I just want to see what you can do. But I can also see how that would be very frustrating.
00:13:12
Speaker
Yeah, especially when it's like you have the title as graphic designer or digital illustrator and you have like your medium and the way that you make art and they want you to do something that doesn't look like what you've been working on, like what you're strong and what your craft is. Right.
00:13:27
Speaker
Because then they're like, oh, no, I kind of want it like this instead. And it's like, OK, but that's kind of like going away from what I'm strong in. Right. And you're kind of just asking me to do something falling under the umbrella of graphic design. That's not really because they came to you because they saw what I made. And then they're like completely different. Yeah. So it's just kind of like.
00:13:51
Speaker
I would say a loss on both ends because I'm having to overcompensate for what you want and they're trying to like figure out how they can explain to you what they actually want. Right. Yeah. But as far as your guys's artwork goes, you gave me like a paragraph. We talked on the phone. You had an idea. I wrote stuff down. And then I came up with a little bit of a draft and I sent it to you.
00:14:14
Speaker
just kind of used Google images of like the neon style like bar signs kind of like beachy vibes like giving the idea that it's like right on the coast like your Southern California like alternative band that's kind of like what I was trying to portray part of my specialty is I like to like make things move just a little bit you know like gif if you will
00:14:38
Speaker
So I was seeing how I can like add that in, you know, like have the sign flash and maybe have like birds fly around or whatever and just small things that kind of like bring it to life. So it's a little bit less of like a flat image and more of like bringing you into the vibe. So.
00:14:56
Speaker
And speaking of, uh, something that's not a flat image, you put those, uh, bikinis on the beach too. Yeah. That was a, that was a great call. See cups minimal. Yeah, absolutely. Maybe even Dave, we're lucky. I don't know. G double Z. Yeah. Who knows that might fill the entire screen though.
00:15:16
Speaker
Yeah. So this is like the cover that I came up with. Amazing. So that's what we started with. That's what I sent you. And then you were like, I want to make it like a Spotify preview for when you click on the song. So my idea was just kind of like lengthening. Right. So it's kind of like this is the focus. This is like the cover. And then I kind of wanted to just like zoom out a little bit so you can see more of like where it belonged, I guess, in the world. And so that's how I kind of came up with like
00:15:46
Speaker
So did you, so yeah, and it's great. We love it. Um, you absolutely murdered it. And I love the process of working with you. You're like, Hey, this is what I'm thinking. And you literally sent us like sketches where like, have you ever sent a sketch like that to a client and they're like, no, that's not what I'm looking for. Like it's not it. Yeah. Not like it's insanely like, no scrap that let's start from scratch. It's more of like, uh, like.
00:16:16
Speaker
Well something I get a lot is are you gonna add color and I'm like yeah I mean I told you this is draft number one like I don't want to add color if you want me to go a completely different route you know it's kind of like let me do the least to give you an idea of where I'm headed before I like invest so much time and
00:16:32
Speaker
and like doing the design. So basically it's like most important to get the bones, like the structure, the solid like design. You got to get that approved first. And then you're like, okay, let's do colors. I love that. Yeah.
00:16:47
Speaker
Did you study art in college or anything? Yeah, I went to college at the Canyons and I did graphic design as my major. I only got associates just because art school is really expensive.
00:17:03
Speaker
I'm just going to stop here and see how much I can teach myself after I graduate. But I learned a lot as far as like perspective and light and because you have to take like all the basic courses of art. So illustration. And I did like a human drawing class where you have to draw people naked. OK. There's like actual naked people. Yeah, actual naked people. Nobody told me. So when they came out, I was like.
00:17:28
Speaker
Uh, like what you have to, they, they pose there for like hour plus and you're just drawing different angles of them, like Foley and new, which was very different for me, but I, it was nice cause you kind of understand like just how body structure and exactly.
00:17:45
Speaker
That's that's crazy. Actually, I have a funny story about that. I was looking for one of my classes and it was on this. I went to Academy of Art in San Francisco and I don't know, it was on like floor eight, this one class start of a new semester. And I walked in like I walked into a class where they were drawing some naked dude and I walked in and I just looked like it was just straight up just butt cheeks. And I was like,
00:18:13
Speaker
I don't think this is music for virtual reality. It might have been. You're like, oh, sorry. Yeah. I mean, do you get over that, though? Kind of. I mean, I don't know. Like there's this one time, like the guy was sitting like directly in front of me and I just staring straight down the barrel at his cock. Just two circles because it was literally like straight down and I was like 20 minutes. This guy's just right in front of me. And like, I don't know, you just got to like
00:18:42
Speaker
Did he like laugh or smile or? No, they're like really serious about it. Like they take it very seriously. Yeah, they just the models take it seriously. Yeah. Like it's it's a form of art. So they propose they like do all these weird things and try and like challenge the illustrators, which I think is cool. But it is cool. Yeah. Very wild. Have they ever asked to like see it afterwards? Let's see what you drew. They walk around there. I think it. Yeah.
00:19:08
Speaker
They have a robe. They have a robe. But yeah, I mean, I don't remember. I think they've they walked around a few times, but it was so long ago. They were like, wow, that was that was super generous. Like, are you are you generous with your art? Like when I try to be, I kind of feel bad, like because you have to get the proportions right or it looks like weird. Like you have to get it down pretty well. And in the beginning, like I was really like I'm not into drawing faces or like
00:19:37
Speaker
It was really awkward for me, so I wish I brought my sketchbook, because I still have it. But it's just a lot of, they'll time you, like, okay, take two minutes for this sketch, five minutes for this sketch, so you're forced to gesture and do all that stuff. But there's only a few that I'm really proud of. The other ones, I would never show them, just because I feel bad.
00:20:00
Speaker
That's not how I perceive you, it's just how I drew it. What? You feel bad for them, or you feel bad? I feel bad for them looking at what they think is how I see them. You draw one of a knot in it, like a sailor's knot or something? Yeah. The faces were the worst. That's hard for me.
00:20:23
Speaker
So you went to COC. How did you get into this? Honestly, I started out at COC as a software development major. And I thought I liked it because I took a web design class in high school, and I thought code was really cool, and I wanted to learn it. And then I realized how much math is behind it. Yeah, algebra. I failed that shit.
00:20:45
Speaker
Which is not how the design class was. It was very front-end. So when I realized it wasn't like that, I ended up going on the other route and did graphic design and then ended up liking that a lot more. I literally bought myself an iPad to take notes for my software development and then started sketching in it and I was like, oh, I like this more. So then I started just doing random drawings on the Adobe programs and stuff.
00:21:11
Speaker
Did you ever do kind of any creative things before that? I mean, yeah, here and there. But I guess I don't really realize like that's kind of like a route you can go. Like I know people have always done it as a hobby, but I kind of was just like that never crossed my mind until I started drawing on the iPad. And I was like because I used to draw when I was younger, but it was always just like random sketches in a book. Like I never like showed them off or anything. Like I just kind of thought it was just
00:21:40
Speaker
But I mean, I'm sure you went like you went to COC with some skill already, you know. Yeah. I mean, very minimal, very minimal. I learned a lot of stuff through the classes that they offered as far as like for Adobe products, like there's a lot to it. So even just like scraping the service and learning like the basics, it like.
00:22:03
Speaker
kind of helped me realize like, oh, I'm capable of doing this.
Impact of AI on Art
00:22:07
Speaker
And then I started like thinking of things that I could make and do based off of like what I was learning in school. So that's kind of where everything kind of just opened up for me was through college, I guess.
00:22:18
Speaker
So digital illustration, do you have like, I mean, your, your artwork. And if you guys want to go check it out, go to illpasta.com. You could see all of Erica's stuff and it's, it's amazing. But what I was getting at was this like style.
00:22:36
Speaker
that you draw in is like it's very unique I feel like I don't think I've seen anything else like quite like this you know what I mean do you have like any influences like who are who are some people that you look up to
00:22:51
Speaker
Well, I started out like kind of just doing it. But when I was in art school, I started seeing stuff on Instagram. That's kind of like where I started seeing artists like Rhymes Like Dimes, Mason London, like those people I was like, this is so cool. Just illustrating like that and kind of just creating this world.
00:23:12
Speaker
That's similar to ours, but the way they see it, you know? Right. And I remember showing my portfolio to one of my professors, and I was explaining Rhymes Like Dimes and Mason London. And I was like, I don't know, it's so cool. And she was like, well, then make it. And I was like, yeah, I guess. It's cool. You can't just do it, but I guess you can. I think this definitely fits in the same category as Rhymes Like Dimes.
00:23:37
Speaker
Yeah. He's top tier though. Like that guy's extremely talented. If only I look at his stuff and I'm like, damn, like, yeah, he's so cool. I'm a big fan. Yeah. He's a, he's solid. Yeah. Um, but you are too. And I think that it is time to, uh, take a quick break and we'll be right back. And we're gonna, we have a fun segment two planned.
00:24:34
Speaker
But you're carrying to the fall It's finally fucking Friday and you know what that means
00:24:46
Speaker
Welcome back, everybody. We are talking to Erica Heisler. We have a guest star in this segment. Motley, say what's up. Are you talking?
00:25:00
Speaker
Nice. Nice. I think the last thing on the agenda, there's a couple of things, but one of the things I'm really interested in talking to you about is art and AI. As of recent, everyone is doing those portraits of themselves. There's various
00:25:24
Speaker
apps and softwares that can create images with, you know, just using a simple phrase and then, you know, it comes up with something that is spectacular. I guess I just want it like coming from three creatives, just I wanted to talk to
00:25:43
Speaker
both of you guys about how we see it in our fields and I guess discuss the pros and cons surrounding it. There's one instance in particular, there's this article
00:26:01
Speaker
There's this dude that won a contest, just to give you guys some backstory and context. He won a digital contest and $300, blue ribbon, all of that sort of stuff. And he used AI to create the product. I'll put it up on the screen now. And people were pissed off about it, but he wasn't breaking any rules.
00:26:30
Speaker
with the guidelines of the competition, allegedly. What do you what do you guys think about that, Erica, first? I mean, I could see it from the standpoint of people who were participating in the competition being like really upset just because they put their own thought and process into it because A.I. kind of helps a lot. Right. But
00:26:59
Speaker
It's also creative because you worked around the rules and developed something that won, but I don't know. I mean, it's tricky because it could go either way. It can help a creative who's maybe stuck in a certain area of their process, but it also can be abused, which is worth anything. You know what I mean? I totally agree.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yeah, so I think it's kind of more on like a situational basis. Because I think there's a lot of benefits to using AI. I think it opens up a huge door of stuff that's just
00:27:40
Speaker
I don't know, you're able to access a lot more information to create something that maybe you couldn't come up with on your own, but I don't think that's a negative thing that you needed help. It's more of just like, I would be transparent about it and be like, yeah, I use AI to help me. I didn't come up with this on my own in hog all of that credit, because I think that in the art community, that's a very big thing. Absolutely.
00:28:05
Speaker
i made this i did this you know and i did i have read like you know ai kind of grabbing art from artists to generate stuff like outcomes you know and that's crazy that sucks but i don't really know how you would go around that you know once it's out there it's out there
00:28:26
Speaker
Yeah, it can't it can't create anything new. So it'll pull from famous artists, you know, and it's got a ton of algorithms and stuff where it will compile all the I don't know how it works in the background, but it just puts together these crazy images that like when you look at them, you're like, that's pretty cool. But I think like for me personally.
00:28:55
Speaker
Um, it's, I think there's a fine line, like you said, like you could use it as a tool. So I think if you do hit a roadblock and you're like, huh, like what's wrong with this thing? I'm illustrating right here. Like I can't get the lighting right. I can't figure out how to, um,
00:29:14
Speaker
do some sort of technique. So you like type into an AI chat thing. Can you give me some answers on like lighting perspectives or how can I work around this problem that is currently prohibiting me to completing this idea? Right. Yeah. I think this dude that just here, this is what it looks like. Well, Jake, you already saw you're looking right at my screen.
00:29:44
Speaker
Looks pretty cool. That's the AI that you typed in. No, no, no. This is this is what that dude won. Oh, that's what the guy won. That's that's the I guess he didn't he didn't want to like mention the phrase that he typed in. But he illustrated it. No, no, no. He literally just typed in a phrase and the computer spit that out and it and it won.
00:30:05
Speaker
It's like space opera Something in the Whatever century it is and that's cheating. Yeah, I mean that's it'd be different if it's like, okay I'm gonna use that as a reference image like for my illustrations right and still Come up with something with like your own medium, but just like copy-paste. It is like right It's like paying somebody to write your essay. Yeah, you know like
00:30:31
Speaker
like artists artists steal from each other that's just like the nature of of art you know is like you get you have influences and you but that's the key it's influence it's not completely ripping it off right yeah you like everything's been said before right but it's never been said by you so that's what's
00:30:52
Speaker
important about it. I think my like one of my biggest concerns with art generated by a computer is that it does kind of remove the like human connection from it. Yeah.
00:31:09
Speaker
So I see your art, right? And I want to learn more about you as a person and your history, you know, like your, like how you got into the field in general. I look at this thing and I'm like, well, like at first it looks cool. It just kind of ends there. Like that doesn't really go any deeper. There's no story behind this.
00:31:33
Speaker
You know what I mean? With like Michelangelo or Da Vinci or fucking Van Gogh, like those big artists, they have stories behind their art and there's nothing really
00:31:49
Speaker
But I feel like that's why AI can still exist with I don't think it can kill art for that reason because it's like it's exactly what you said. It can't develop something new. So in order for it to be able to continue to create stuff that's new.
00:32:09
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it has to start with somebody creating something and putting it out there. It makes it a little bit more challenging, but I think in general, just the art community, it's become really challenging to create something new and like,
00:32:24
Speaker
just different because there's so much access to everyone's art that it somehow plays into everyone's projects. You know what I mean? So I think it's just it's the times like everything gets a little bit harder, but that it kind of makes it a little bit more unique and authentic when you're able to come up with something that's from your own mind than not using AI. It's more almost more appreciated. So yeah.
00:32:54
Speaker
Absolutely. And I know more, you know, I know I saw a lot of, uh, a lot of people, um, like that were just outraged by everybody posting their AI portraits and stuff. Um, they're like, Oh, you guys are going to spend $8 on an app to
00:33:15
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create a pro or a portrait of you when you could actually spend money and support an artist doing that. You know, yeah. I mean, there's no artists that would do a portrait of somebody for $8. Yeah. You know, I mean,
00:33:36
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That one, AI wins. It's a war. That battle was won by AI. Next one, maybe not. I think we could use it as a tool to get sketches and help us overcome roadblocks. I think it helps with ideas for sure and brainstorming.
00:33:54
Speaker
I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing at all. I think definitely it's a tool that can be used. But like everything it can be abused. So right. I don't think it's going to like take over or anything like that. Like for music example.
00:34:09
Speaker
Like, you really think people are just going to go out and listen to an AI-generated pop punk song? Well, that's the thing. It's missing the human connection. Yeah, there's a human connection behind it. People want to go see them perform. They want to see what they're doing in their daily lives or whatever.
00:34:30
Speaker
So, but it's like you start with the song and then you have maybe like an artist who likes the song that remixes it or takes it and reproduces it like anything else. Like, you know, yeah, it's like their version of it. They are able to perform it because it's like their own version of it. You know what I mean? So I don't know. I think it's for now it's cool. It's chill.
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah. Until it's not. Until it's not. Until it's not. We're not there yet. So that's the futurist problem. We don't have to deal with that right now. Exactly. So I actually wanted to do something with you guys on air, on the podcast. So we are going to use the same software that this dude used to win this blue ribbon
00:35:19
Speaker
contest, competition, whatever. Um, and we are all going to create our own pieces of AI art and we want the, uh, we want our audience. We want you guys to vote on which one of you guys liked the best and you could do so via speak pipe, let us know or email it to us. Um,
00:35:45
Speaker
Yeah, let's do it. You guys have it all pulled up? I have it ready. Okay, so this is the criteria. So basically, if you if you're looking at these other examples, it says you
00:36:00
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You type in the type of art that you want. Right. So this one says 3D render of a cute tropical fish in an aquarium on a dark blue background digital art. So just 3D render digital art and then describe what you want. So we're going to have to come up with our own phrase of a type of art.
00:36:21
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We're going to give everybody a couple minutes of time to do some research. But for this competition, we all have to present our art to each other and explain why it's better than everybody else's. Okay. Okay. Let's do a time lapse right now.
00:36:50
Speaker
And we are back for the PCL podcast. Uh, we got Erica Heisler with us. Yo. Okay. So just to recap, we, uh, we are using this, um, this AI software called Dolly D A L L hyphen E, uh, to create a computer generated image. And we want you guys to let us know what
00:37:18
Speaker
which one of these is the best. You can vote on it. Let us know in an email or a speak pipe, which one is the best. Jake's going to go first or actually first. All right. I'll go first and I will, uh, best goes last. The best goes last. Okay. So this is what
00:37:37
Speaker
I am. Oh, wow. Doing it is. It looks pretty cool, huh? Yeah, that's yeah. Kind of looks like a Led Zeppelin cover a little bit. Yeah. But basically what I typed in was a Michelangelo style art depicting the aftermath of nuclear war with aliens overseeing the destruction.
00:38:05
Speaker
Um, and yeah, this piece of art should win because this dude's obviously anatomically correct. This green guy, that looks like Shrek. Yeah. He looks like the Grinch. He's got eyes for titties. He's got a nose for a belly button and he's got a mouth for a penis. Maybe that's a vagina.
00:38:32
Speaker
I don't know. And then we got some other crazy fucking things right here going on here. This is obviously a monolith right there in the center, which is obviously how aliens can get around. Got some cool looking people there. And we got a turtle in the middle.
00:38:56
Speaker
We all know that the earth is resting on a turtle and obviously the aliens decided to save the turtle before nuclear war wiped out the planet. Mine should win because it's obviously going to be the best. All right, Erica, you want to go? Okay. The tough decision. Lot of good contenders, but this one here we go. Okay.
00:39:24
Speaker
So my caption is a 3D rendering of Danny DeVito as the Starbucks mermaid on a coffee cup. Here we go. That's pretty fucking accurate. So not really sure where the blondes coming from. Actually not even sure where the Danny DeVito is coming from. Is that even Danny DeVito? It looks like him morphed like 50 times. It says DW.
00:39:55
Speaker
in N backwards. Okay. A O N S and then D E I don't know. A L L Dell. I don't know. So yeah, it's not even like, it's not even English or even any sort of
00:40:15
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Yeah, but essentially it's a 3D face pumping out of a coffee cup with blonde hair coming from Danny DeVito's head. Could you imagine like me holding this and it's Danny DeVito's face. Yeah. And he's actually like popping out of it, like biting your finger if you. Yeah.
00:40:38
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, they're all kind of. Oh, you got other ones, too? Yeah, there's a bunch. I mean. That guy right there, that that second one that you just showed us, like, imagine that's how you had to drink your coffee. That dude pops out of the top and he like spits the coffee. Yeah. You got a French kiss, Danny DeVito to drink your coffee. And then apparently this is what the Starbucks mermaid actually looks like. So weird looking. She's a starfish.
00:41:09
Speaker
I would give that a four out of 10 as far as the generate. Please don't pick mine. Oh, okay. I don't know. Yours is better than mine, I think. I think we could have done better. AI could have done better. Yeah. I'm a little disappointed. AI could have done better if
00:41:29
Speaker
If it was a real artist or Danny DeVito had like a better looking face, maybe. Yeah, true that. All right, Jake, what do you got? So this is this is mine. Oh, wow. That's pretty fucking cool. Yeah, that actually looks like something you would draw. I know. Wait, that's that's dope. It was a I put a traditional tattoo style of
00:41:57
Speaker
an alien wearing a Christmas sweater drinking a cocktail or sipping a cocktail at a space resort. They obviously didn't get the space resort, but I think the Christmas theme looks pretty good. That's pretty good. Yeah. It looks like something that you would drop, but like look like tell me actually what revisions would you give to the to the AI?
00:42:20
Speaker
Well, make the lines a little bit more crisp. The cocktail looks like guacamole. It's an alien cocktail. Oh, right, right, right. They drink guacamole. Honestly, it's pretty cool. I think it just needs to get cleaned up a little bit. Maybe add some shading, you know, highlights, low light and a background. Yeah. What about those fingers?
00:42:44
Speaker
You know, we don't know what aliens look like. That's true. An alien could have developed this, you know what I mean?
00:42:52
Speaker
Or it could just be a selfie that they took and upload it to the Internet. True. Self portrait. Mm hmm. Everyone's got to have one of those. No, yeah, I think this is dope. Honestly, the biggest thing that I think helped ties my illustrations together is highlights and lowlights because it really makes it feel finished because that's a very 2D. But when you add a little bit extra, it kind of like ties everything together.
00:43:19
Speaker
It's just the cherry on top. Yeah, but that's dope. This is pretty cool. Jake, do you want to tell people why they should vote for yours? I don't know.
00:43:34
Speaker
I'm not a salesman. I don't like salesmen. I sold it for him. Yeah. That's true. You're welcome. Basically everything that we said about this. Is he a good product? You don't have to sell yourself. Other people will sell it for you. Boom. There it is. How about this? Instead of voting for ours, send us the ones that you guys made and maybe we'll pull it up on the screen. Doll E, labs.openai.com. It's kind of fun though. It is fun.
Collaboration on PCL Bar Theme
00:44:00
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It's pretty cool. Yeah.
00:44:03
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how like it kind of took over to be honest, I had to I had to search different types of illustration because I couldn't tell you. So first I put, I think it was lithography. Oh my God, that looks interesting. I'll put a lithography, lithography, lithography illustration of what I just put in it. Really? Yeah. The weirder, the better. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's one of the things that's that's fucked with AI. They don't have like,
00:44:35
Speaker
anatomical proportion. They, they never took a class where they had to look at a draw naked person. Yeah. Well, it is a computer at the end of the day. So they're only generating ideas from pictures that have different proportions to human bodies that they're just basically like layering on top of each other to make or produce whatever you typed in. So,
00:45:01
Speaker
Last thing, last thing about AI and then we'll get into the the PCL bar for today. How do you how do you guys address the AI in your lives? What do you mean? Alexa, Siri, how do I address them? How do you talk to them? Are you nice to them? I am very nice to them. Really?
00:45:23
Speaker
We go back and forth a little bit. Depends. I fucking hate them so much. Siri will give me attitude if I give her attitude. I think Siri's dumber than Alexa. I think Alexa's smarter.
00:45:38
Speaker
Uh, like Siri chooses to be dumb, so she doesn't get asked as much. Alexa, it's like turn on my lights, bitch. Nobody asked Siri to turn on the lights. I have Siri turn on my lights. Oh, T. Yeah. Damn. Okay. It's pretty crazy. I don't like how I have to say, Hey Siri, turn on the lights.
00:45:59
Speaker
Why? Like you just want to just be like turn on the lights. Yeah. Or just be Siri, turn on the lights. I have to say, hey, Siri, turn on the lights. Well, because if you're if you're just like if we're talking about Siri, she's not going to fucking turn. Well, I mean, the same with Alexa, too. It's just like Alexa is like Alexa turn the lights on. Oh, true.
00:46:18
Speaker
Yeah, but then she's always listening. Have you noticed that? If you have one of those in the other room, she's like, I'm sorry, what was that? And you're like, bitch, I'm not even in the room. And it's crazy that they know your voice. Yeah. Scary. I mean, you could tell them like, hey, learn my voice. Oh, look, hey, Siri, turn the lights. My devices aren't responding.
00:46:37
Speaker
Um, all right. Well, last thing I wanted to talk about, uh, to tie it all back together is a PCL bar. Um, that song is out. Now you guys could listen to it streaming everywhere. Um, we all kind of worked on this project together. Jake and I wrote the music and Erica did the artwork. And what's good about that is that we were all bartenders. Yeah. So I think it's just kind of cool. You, you're, you currently bartend and.
00:47:07
Speaker
Austin, right? Yes. Not as much as I used to, but I still do. Oh, really? Yeah. I probably tend to have more of a fine dining restaurant now than a gay club. Oh, really? Yeah. Different ends. Do you want to quickly tell us about the drink that you're going to be making for us? Yes.
00:47:24
Speaker
I actually learned this at the club that I used to work at. It's not my own. I don't want to take credit for it. But they call it the key lime pie shot. It's pretty easy to make. It's just absolute vanilla, lime and simple syrup. It's exactly like a key lime pie. It's super easy to throw down. So you're going to get schwasty.
00:47:45
Speaker
There you go. That's the answer. Thank you so much for being here. We know that the flight from Austin to Los Angeles was grueling, but we're so happy that you were able to join us on this podcast. Happy to be here. This is episode two. Tell everybody where they can find you if they want to get art made by you.
00:48:05
Speaker
So easiest way to find me, illplasta.com. I have a little area where you can submit if you're looking to work with me or collaborate with me. If you see me through this podcast, let me know and we can work out some sort of deal. I know as like a starting artist, it's budgets a little bit different so we can always like work together on that because I'm also I consider myself amateur as well, so.
00:48:33
Speaker
Now you're pro. Look at the website. She's pro. Yeah. So we can work together on something. That'd be really cool. Just to mention that you saw me from this podcast and we'll, we'll make something cool. Cool. Well, Erica, thank you. It's been really fun. So now everyone grabbed their pen and papers and the shakers. We're going to make a PCL bar. Boom.
00:48:57
Speaker
Welcome back to the PCL Bar Biatch. My name is Erica. Today we're making key lime pie chives. One ounce of absolute vanilla. Say it again. One ounce of liquid. Simple. One ounce. What are you doing there? Shake.
00:49:33
Speaker
Shot. I don't even think they just told it. Yeah. What are we saying? Cheers? Cheers, biatch. Cheers, biatch! No caps in there, right? No cap.
00:49:55
Speaker
I don't know what Key Lime Pie tastes like, but it tastes pretty good. It's pretty fucking amazing. It's sweet. It literally tastes like a bite of Key Lime Pie. Welcome back, everybody. That was a fantastic time we had there with Erica Heisler. Jake, what did you think of the Key Lime Pie shot? It was probably the best shot we did, or we have done it with PCL Bar.
00:50:16
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. It's definitely up there. It's bad when it doesn't taste like alcohol. Actually, I guess it's good, but it is bad because it's
Pop Punk Band Tournament
00:50:25
Speaker
dangerous. Yeah, I agree. Like the gummy bear shots that we did? Those are dangerous. Anyways, on our Instagram last week, we posted the best pop punk band tournament bracket. And we asked you guys to, you know,
00:50:43
Speaker
to participate. Thank you for doing that. We want to know what bands should have been on here, what bands we missed. And if you guys want us to keep doing this, you can let us know at speakpipe.com slash PCL. We'd love to hear from you guys. And it's not just about this tournament bracket. Let us know what you think of the podcast. Let us know what you think of the music. Let us know any suggestions on people who we think we should interview.
00:51:12
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good call. Potential people to interview, just tell us what's up. We'd love to hear from you guys. Once again, that's speakpipe.com slash PCO. Speaking of that, we did get a Speakpipe from Chuck Stokes. Do you want to listen to that right now? Yeah, let's listen to it. Then we'll go through the pop punk band tournament bracket. Let's do it. All right, let's check it out. This is Chuck Stokes.
00:51:41
Speaker
All right, Kyle. First of all, it is not fair to put Blinken Green Day and State Champs and Neck Deep in the same category. Those have to be in separate brackets. These are number one seeds and four different sections of March Madness we're talking.
00:51:59
Speaker
But it's green day and state champs every time. Peace. Well, Chucks, thanks for tuning in. You're wrong. I told him that. I'm just kidding. I was like, well, you know, I'm going to have to agree to disagree with you because, uh, there's no chance in hell to make 100% way over those, those two that he mentioned in that order, I would probably go blink neck deep state champs green day.
00:52:29
Speaker
Really? 100%. Really? Wow. I might do Green Day over state champs.
00:52:37
Speaker
The way that I put this pool together, I kind of wanted it. Like I totally get what he's saying. Like, you know, obviously like blink 182 is going to fucking like get to the top. I think we could like pretty much predict what this tournament bracket is going to end up looking like at the end. I do like what you did for the other one too.
Closing Remarks and Future Content
00:52:58
Speaker
The offspring of some 41.
00:53:00
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. I tried to like pair them up like how old or new they are, like similar size, you know what I mean? Similar size, similar sound. The lady at LA Phil knows what I'm talking about. So yeah, blink 182, green day. I take blink every time. Every single time. Seven days out of the week, 10 days out of the week, whatever. The offspring in some 41,
00:53:29
Speaker
Who do you got? Who do you got there? Sum 41. Okay. Yeah, me too. I did. I mean, I do, I do like the offspring, but yeah, for sure. Sum 41. Uh, the wonder year's new found glory. I don't know. It's kind of weird cause they're like, yeah, they're pop punk, but I think new found glory is different. Like, like I definitely had some, I definitely had some, uh, some emo bands in here. Who do you pick? I think just new found glory. Cause I don't really listen to wonder years that much.
00:53:58
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Um, yeah. I mean, I take new found glory too. Uh, what's crazy though, is that all time low and the story so far we're both named after new found glory songs. I do not know that. That's pretty cool. And then we got neck deep in state champs and we got simple plan and good Charlotte. I really didn't want to fucking put simple plan on there, but I was just like, fuck it. People will like that. And then we, then we got pulled to yellow card, bowling for soup. Who do you take there? Probably yellow card.
00:54:27
Speaker
Yeah. Same. And then I didn't even have to ask you who you take with four years strong in a day to remember. No, but I do like four. That's a tough one though. I feel like that one, I feel like that's just like not fair. That would be, that would be such a fun show to go to four years strong in a day to remember. Yeah, that'd be sick. I bet they've played together. Um, Bayside and Silverstein. Most people took Silverstein here and then knuckle puck and citizen. I take knuckle puck. So Matt Caricci's just put out a new album.
00:54:57
Speaker
And it's fucking sick, dude. It's like perfect, like perfect from here, drive to the beach. It's fucking amazing. And then we got a movement, some point north.
00:55:09
Speaker
Who do you, who do you take north? Really? I take movements there. Taking back Sunday and brand new. Taking back Sunday. Taking back Sunday for sure. So these are the results. So we got a blink one 82 is moving on to go up against the offspring. Then we got new found glory going up against the story so far and neck deep is going up against good Charlotte. Then we got yellow card.
00:55:39
Speaker
going up against a day to remember. And then we got Silverstein going up against Knuckle Puck, and then movements going up against Taking Back Sunday. And that's where we're at with the bracket. Make sure you guys participate. And like I said, let us know if you want us to keep doing more of these. We could do metalcore. We could do best Mohawks.
00:56:04
Speaker
Best punk mohawks. We do best drummers. Best, I don't know, whatever you want to do. And for the newer bands, maybe we'll do the best band name. We'll see how we pair up against these people. Hell yeah. But we'll put the actual acronym, Pussy, Cocaine, and Liquor. Absolutely. For sure got to do that. People need to know that. All right, Jake. Well, I think that just about does it for today's episode.
00:56:33
Speaker
It's been fun and it's been real. It's been real fun. All right, that's going to do it for today's episode. The PCL podcast is produced entirely by PCL. I want to give a special thanks to Erica Heisler for joining us on this episode. You can follow PCL at PCL underscore CA on Instagram, TikTok, wherever you get your social media.
00:56:55
Speaker
Our website is pclbandca.com. There you can just stay updated with everything PCL, get yourself some merch and you can get some bonus content from this very episode. You can hear unreleased music and you can get an exclusive behind the scenes look into our production. We got a new song that we're working on. It's very fresh. You can see it. Warts and all at pclbandca.com slash bonus content.
00:57:24
Speaker
Just go to our website, you'll see it there in one of the drop down menus. Five bucks a month, everything, whatever, you got it. Jake, how can people contact us? If you guys want to contact us, you can email us at pclbandcalifornia at gmail.com. Maybe you're a bassist, maybe you're a drummer, give us an email, maybe you can be in the band.
00:57:44
Speaker
Then maybe you're a Tchaikovsky, maybe you're a comer. Maybe. If you want us to play at your birthday party, your bar mitzvah, wedding, whatever the fuck you want us to play at, you can shoot us an email there too. And if you guys want to leave any suggestions for our podcast, you can go ahead and reach our customer service at www.speakepipe.com slash pcl. Go ahead and leave us a voicemail.
00:58:05
Speaker
And some days, there's a sexy lady on the other line. She's answering calls, taking calls. Let us know what you think of the pod. We're super excited to give you guys some more episodes. Two weeks from now, we got Veiled Alpha. They're going to be joining us in studio. It's going to be great. Jake, tell them about Say I Want You before we head out.
00:58:30
Speaker
Say I Want You, new single. It's going to be released May 10th. There may or they may not be a little hidden surprise. So make sure you guys pre-save it and stream it. Stream the hell out of it on May 10th. Our current Instagram strategy is just shove, shove these songs down your throat to hopefully make you come. We're going to fix it. Like Jakovsky. Exactly. Yeah. Well, thank you guys again for listening and watching. I am Jake Sperling. I'm Kyle McGraw. This is PCL.