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Wellbeing, Curiosity, Mindset + Kindness with Cooper Chapman
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Cooper Chapman is the smiley human behind The Good Human Factory, a company which teaches science-backed skills such as mindfulness, gratitude, kindness, empathy, and taking responsibility to thousands of people around the world. I’ve had the pleasure of attending a couple of Cooper’s events, and his passion for helping people manage their mental health and find mindful moments within each day is inspiring and infectious.
Growing up in Narrabeen, Cooper was a professional surfer for more than 10 years. His interest in mental health was prompted by his father’s bout with depression and the suicide of two family friends. Meditating on a regular basis and practicing mindfulness helps Cooper manage his anxiety and perform at a high level, whether he’s competing in a contest or giving a speech.
Through his workshops, podcasts, merch and community, he inspires people to think differently about mental health and wellbeing.
In this episode, Cooper and I chat about our similar upbringings, as we both grew up in competitive industries, being in the acting and surfing worlds. We chat all about self reflection, values, mindset, comparison, curiosity, kindness, gratitude and how we can all dedicate 1% of our day to looking after our mental health. It’s an inspiring episode that will have you feeling motivated to do better and be better!
To connect with Cooper and learn more about the 1% Good Club and all the other amazing things he’s got going on, follow his links below:
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The Pass Around the Smile podcast is recorded on Bundjalung Country, in South East Queensland, Australia. We acknowledge the Yugambeh people of the Bundjalung Nation, the traditional owners of this land. We pay our respects to Elders past, present and emerging.
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Introduction to Podcast and Guests
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Pass Around the Smile is like your go-to friend, the one that lifts you up and backs you to the end. She's there to guide and inspire, challenge and teach, and remind you that your best self isn't out of reach. Self-development, manifestation, self-love and more, it's time to trust the process more than ever before. Welcome to Pass Around the Smile, the podcast. I'm your host, Cleo Massey, and I am so glad you're here. Let the magic begin.
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Cooper Chapman is the smiley human behind the Good Human Factory, a company which teaches science-backed skills such as mindfulness, gratitude, kindness, empathy and taking responsibility to thousands of people around the world. I've had the pleasure of attending a couple of Cooper's events and his passion for helping people manage their mental health and find mindful moments within each day is so inspiring and infectious.
Cooper Chapman's Journey with Mental Health
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Growing up in Nara Bean, Cooper was a professional surfer for more than 10 years. His interest in mental health was prompted by his father's bout with depression and the suicide of two family friends. Meditating on a regular basis and practicing mindfulness helps Cooper manage his anxiety and perform at a high level, whether he's competing in a contest or giving a speech. Through his workshops, podcasts, merch, and community, He inspires people to think differently about mental health and wellbeing. I'm so excited for you guys to hear this chat. Let's jump into it. Kuba Chapman, welcome to the Pass Around the Smile podcast. Thank you so much for having me. It's great to be here and see a little beautiful baby and she passed around the smile to us. Yes. Very energized and ready to have a beautiful chat this morning. She's so cute. She, yes. She, um, Has me lacking in sleep, but it's amazing how babies do give you that energy. Hey for sure so special Yeah, very special. I've just become an uncle for the first time. So Nice Bobby is um very cute. It's been a a nice first way getting to i live next door to my sisters. Oh, dude
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Being back and forward and helping out with a bit of washing where I can and throwing some stuff in the bin when I can to help them out But yeah, it's been really nice to spend some time with them too. That's so special. She's so cute It's been a long journey for them. Hey, so been very long journey very special little soul there. Yeah, absolutely So why don't we start by just you know, you tell us a little bit about yourself my community I know they're gonna love you It just kind of what you do, why you do it, how you got into it, and then we can just jump into a big chat from there. Yeah, amazing. So my name's Cooper. I used to be a professional surfer, but now I've found myself working in the mental health space, trying to inspire people to think a bit differently about mental health. I feel like so often when I heard the word mental health growing up and throughout the media, it always came with a bit of a negative connotation, or not even negative, but it was always
00:02:49
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Positioned as mental illness in my mind always around depression anxiety suicide things that are very important topics to talk about But I just never felt I get aligned that well with me. I didn't feel very relatable to any of that. So now I try and encourage people to look at mental health through a different lens and realize that we all have mental health. Only 20% of us are going to be diagnosed with a mental illness. So if the 80% of us without a mental illness can develop the skills and have the daily habits and rituals that are scientifically proven to make us feel good, then maybe less of us will end up with mental illness. So yeah, now I travel around the country running workshops with high school students, with corporate groups, and just sharing my story and sharing different
Practical Tools for Mental Well-being
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learnings that I've had through guests on my podcast and just my sort of quest for knowledge when it comes to well-being and trying to think a bit so think a bit so a bit outside the square and um yeah give people some skills to take into their life to make their life a little bit better. Yeah, that's amazing. And I've had the pleasure of coming to a couple of your events. And what I love so much about what you do is, yeah, removing the stigma, I guess is like the number one around the enormity of the word mental health. But you have such effective but simple tools that you give people.
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to help with anxiety and when, you know, the negative thoughts are spiraling. So what do we do on on those days where, you know, you're just you're getting caught in that rat race, you're feeling anxious, you're feeling tight, the negative thoughts are coming in. What do we do there? I mean, it is tough because, I mean, for most of us, 75% of our thoughts are negative. And I think, I mean, it's kind of argued between either if we have 60,000 or 6,000 thoughts a day, or the neuroscientists I spoke to recently tried to tell me Well, told me that it's kind of been debunked that it's 6,000 now. Oh, really? Yeah, I mean, it's kind of argued, I guess, in neuroscience. Well, but say we have 6,000 thoughts a day, 75% of them are negative. That's 4,500 negative thoughts on average a day for most of us. And then 95% of them are usually repetitive, the same thoughts that we thought yesterday. so yeah
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For me, one of the most important things to do is meditate every day. I know you're big on meditation and just taking the moment, if it's five, ten minutes a day, just to slow down and kind of witness those thoughts and not attach to them for the whole day like most of us do so a big one for me I try and encourage people every day to try and spend a few minutes meditating whether it's to a guided meditation whether it's just sitting there listening to your thoughts or whether it's you know getting outside in nature and just listening to the sounds of nature so a big one for me is meditation there's obviously so much great research now out there to show the impact of meditating regularly and
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a lot of people have such a resistance to it because of I guess the noise of the thoughts that are up there but one of the best ways I've found to slow them down and to calm them is to sit with them regularly and another analogy I guess I like to use is it's almost like I like to think if we don't sit down with those thoughts from time to time it's like we've got a garden up in our head and the more that we just let it overgrow and overgrow without going up there and trimming it down and you know cleaning it up a little bit it is going to get quite overwhelming so for me a big one is just trying to find a regular meditation um routine in your life and then another big one for me is practicing gratitude every single day it's um it's such a buzzword I guess when it comes to mental health and when it comes to well-being it's gratitude and
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Quite often you tell people, oh, do you practice gratitude? And you kind of get the eye roll, like, oh, yeah, I tell people, oh, yeah, I'm grateful for this and this. But I didn't become happier, so it doesn't work. it's like I say to people, it's like going to the gym and doing one sit-up and looking for a six-pack. It doesn't really work like that. Gratitude's about a way of life, looking at things things through the perspective of what are the good things rather than what are the bad things. And our negative thoughts take us to the bad things so often. Having a gratitude practice for me just allows me to sort of redirect that attention to the positive stuff. And there always is some positive things going into our life, even through the darkest days, but sometimes we just have to, you know, look a little bit harder for them. So they're two ones that I really encourage people to develop. um For me, a big thing is just routine and having those healthy habits throughout our day. there can just be a bit of an anchor point to bring us back when we do sort of get stuck in that hustle and bustle of life just to have those daily rituals and habits that we come back to is um a really good starting point for me. Yeah and that's what I love about what you do and what you share on your social media. Like you're such a positive person to follow on social media but it's it's doable and it's relatable. I think there's so much noise and so much pressure on social media these days and you know the whole wellness industry is almost
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becoming fashionable, which is great. But sometimes, you know, the message is it puts a lot of pressure on us. But you're saying, you know, five minutes of meditation a day. I mean, it has the power to change a whole week and it's anyone can find five minutes. I know that we like, I have a lot of moms that listen to this podcast and they might say, Cleo, I don't have five minutes, but you have to honor yourself enough. and you have to up your self-worth to give yourself that space for five minutes. Even if it is just, like you said, you don't have to get into this like deep woo woo meditation. I think you mentioned, you know, meditation can be sitting in nature for five minutes. like sure Yeah, I really like that. It's just, it's relative, I think. even ah ah You do get the excuse quite often, I don't have the five minutes, but if anyone listening can go on their phone and look at their screen time and there isn't more than
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20 minutes on social media a day, then maybe you don't have the time. yeah But most of us do have the time. We just don't prioritize it to do something that is healthy because we try and escape from that noise rather than actually sit into it from time to time, which can yeah be very intimidating sometimes. But the more we do it, the easier it becomes. yeah Yeah, I agree. And I found like even for myself, you know, I will find time in days to like exercise, for example. because you get that immediate feeling of satisfaction and you also get the physical results. Whereas people are like, oh yeah, I'm going to meditate tomorrow and then they put it off and they don't do it because you can't see the physical results or feel that, well, I mean, I do feel the instant, you know, good feelings from meditation, but some people don't yet. Cause like you said, you have to work up to it, but we got to prioritize our mental health.
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Absolutely and a big one for me like which I do I'm like I love like most of us snoozing the alarm and like staying in bed for longer So what I try and do now is When I wake up in the morning, I'll get out of bed, brush my teeth, go to the toilet, but then I'll get back into bed and I'll put on like a 20 minute hybrid of like a 10 minute breath work into a 10 minute meditation, especially now in winter. I mean, it's not that cold on the Gold Coast, but me and my partner will get back into bed and spend an extra 20 minutes. So it might be putting your alarm on 30 minutes earlier than normal. Get up.
00:09:39
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Do your business, brush your teeth, go to the bathroom, and then spend that 20 minutes still in bed, but doing an exercise that's gonna bring a bit of clarity throughout your day, it's gonna energise you if you do a bit of breath work. And the way that I kinda describe it is, the way that ah the thing that I feel when I meditate regularly is when something comes up that I normally would react to, I almost have like this microsecond to be able to respond to situations. And it's so subtle, but I find you know it allows you to take back control rather than be at the control of sort of like the external and all the things going on that are out of our control oh yeah i love that i think the power of meditation like you said it has such a flow on effect for our whole day and little things like that that you might not realize so you get into a confrontation with a colleague at work and
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you have that ability to just kind of slow down and see through the lens of positivity or you have more clarity. Like, it's just so powerful. Yeah, I read something this morning as well. It's like, yeah. And this kind of relates to it. I've been reading this book called The End of Mental Illness by Dr. Daniel Harmon. Fascinating book. But, and it wasn't even talking about meditation, it was talking about something else, but I think this relates really well to it this idea of responding rather than reacting, is you can be curious rather than furious. And I was like, one for me. The idea of when someone does something that wrongs you instead of
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being furious about it, being curious. Oh, why did they do that? Maybe having a bit of empathy for the person and actually not being furious, but being curious. And I was like, oh, I like that one. It's a way that you kind of take back control rather than your emotions and you know your reaction being in control. It's like, no, I'm curious. Why is that person being like that to me? Oh, they might've just like lost their grandpa and they just got to putting it on me. It's like, yeah sometimes we can, you know, just so subtle little cues. And for me, like quotes at the back of your head are just so nice sometimes, like, Yeah, that that was one that I learned this morning reading that I was like, oh, I'm gonna use that one. I really like that and it makes you feel so much better as a human when you walk away from a situation and you have reacted in a way that, you know, is calm and kind and empathetic rather than, yeah, jumping to that fury. And judgment. Judgment, jealousy, comparison, like it just all comes out. And before you were saying the 6,000 thoughts, you know, that we have a day,
00:11:55
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And 75%, was it 75% of them being negative? I find personally so many of my own negative thoughts are to do with the external, with what other people say and do, or what other people don't say and don't do that I expect more of. And I'm learning that that that doesn't doesn't need to affect me. It doesn't need to change my day. It doesn't need to change my mood. it's like we need to focus on what we can control and that's our own. Exactly. It's a big one. So tell me about your Instagram and the club that you've created because it has, it's huge, right? and It has a huge impact. I started a thing called the 1
The 1% Good Club and Mindfulness
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% good club. So I can give you the kind of explanation behind it. So I had been kind of doing my workshops with the Good Human Factory for about six to 12, about 12 months. And I'd tell people about meditation and I'd talk about mindfulness and I'd talk about gratitude and kindness.
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And I knew personally, I wasn't doing it every single day. I was definitely doing it more than most people, but I was like, if I want to see the benefits of this, I want to do it every single day. yeah So I was doing a meditation one day and I was like, surely we can all agree that we should be able to give 1% of our day to our mental health. We've got 100% in a day. Surely we can give one of those percentages to our mental health. So 1% of a 24 hour day is just over 14 minutes. It was 1440 minutes in 24 hours. 14 minutes just over is 1% of your day. So I was like, okay, what can we fit into 14 minutes a day? That's good for our mental health. And the two things that we've already touched on today that are big in um my world are mindfulness, meditation, and gratitude. So I was like, okay, maybe every single morning we should do 10 minutes of meditation and every single night we should stop and reflect for four minutes about our day and write down three things that we're grateful for. But I also knew we were more susceptible to
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maintaining a healthy habit if we have an accountability group around us. So yeah, 1,090 days ago of the recording of this, almost three years ago now, I started this thing called the 1% Good Club. So 1% of your day for your mental health where every single morning I send a link to a 10 minute meditation. Every single morning. Every single morning and then every single night for the last three years I've put an Instagram story up with a photo from my day and then I write three things that I'm grateful for from the day. I said that's, yeah sorry, I was saying there was three mindful moments, three things you're grateful for. There's the three things I'm grateful for for the day. I then send that to these group chats on Instagram so now there's nine group chats with about 150 in each group chat so there's just under 1500 members.
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where every single morning they get a link sent to them to click on the meditation and every single night they write their three gratitudes in the group chat and then there's all these communities and the reason there's nine of them is because you can only have 250 in a group chat on Instagram so they're like individual group chats where there's these communities of people who write three things they're grateful for and send it in the group to stay accountable every day I think there's been like 700,000 gratitude sent in over the past three years from strangers all around the world And that's probably the thing that I'm most proud of with the work I've done. I mean, I've presented workshops for Apple, Telstra, Red Bull, Amazon, Westpac, Coles. like I've had some really cool moments. I've spoken to 40,000 students at like almost 100 schools around the country. But the thing that I think I'm most proud of is the 1% Good Club because it's a free community. Anyone listening right now can join.
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And it's just a way to keep people accountable to go, alright I don't want to give 1% of my day to my mental health. And the communities that have been formed are just so special. are There's people, because they've been in it for two years together, read each other's gratitude, even though they're strangers to each other. They've never met most of them. but they see the person's things that go well every day, so they start to form a relationship with these communities. So yeah, if anyone's listening right now and wants to join, and they're like, oh, you know what? I want to be part of this 1% community. I want to put my hand up for 1% of my day. um As I said, it's completely free. All you have to do is send at The Good Human Factory on Instagram at DM saying, I want to join the club. yeah um You'll get added into a group chat. You'll get a meditation sent every morning. You can click the link. You'll get um a little prompt to practice gratitude every night. And yeah, it's just a beautiful community. so that's um
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that is That's my little 1% good club. Absolutely incredible and so inspiring. Like you're you're changing the world. You really are because 700,000 messages among these groups. Yeah, so everyone writes three gratitude. So on average, I mean now there's like a thousand, and there's probably to be honest, like 300 active people every day. They write three things each day. So there's 900 a day. There's been over 1100 days. So if it was a thousand a day at 1100 days, it'd be 1.1 million. there hasn't been, you know, the groups have grown. So I think it's a procs, between half a million and 700,000 gratitudes have been sent in, which the impact is just it's almost immeasurable. Like I've spoke, I've had so, so many messages and um surveys that I've given to the group of just people who have like, you know, had their life changed because they stop and reflect every day on the good things of the meditation practice in the morning. So
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That's just my way to give back to my community. So many people support what I do by buying my merchandise, by listening to my podcast, by um booking me to come and run workshops. So that's just my way to give something back to the community for free. And it's for my own accountability, to be honest, by yeah having to do that. Now, I've practiced gratitude every day for three years, religiously every night, because I've got these groups of people relying on it as well. And the consistency is so key. Like, I love seeing your stories. that you put up for the 1% good club. It inspires me. It's infectious. like it's so It's just so inspiring. I know so many of my community are going to be jumping on this group. Thank you. Looking forward to meeting the community. going on here they're the nicer They're so lovely, my community. But yeah, it's just amazing. like You should be so proud of that impact. And again, going back to what I love so much about what you do is it's
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It's doable. It's so achievable. Well, the thing is, mental health awareness is at an all-time high.
From Awareness to Action in Mental Health
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And I've kind of positioned myself in a way that I feel like 98, 99% of the mental health industry is the mental illness industry, which is so important. When you're struggling, here's the numbers to seek help. It ain't weak to speak, checking on your mates. Here's how you spot the signs when your friends are struggling. I will never discount the work of that side of the mental health industry, but it just like, I'm not a psychologist. I'm not an expert in this field. I've spoken to hundreds of experts on my podcast and I've kind of brought down the information into what I think a practical, easy to implement daily science-backed skills.
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but actually give people action because I feel like mental health awareness all time high but the numbers are getting worse so it's time for mental health action. It's for the 80% of us who don't have a mental illness to develop daily habits, skills, rituals that are going to make us feel good. 100% of us, even if you do have a mental illness, hey this stuff's going to help us and so many of us are surviving in life. We're sitting at a 5 out of 10 or a 4 out of 10 or a 6 out of 10. and we're just kind of happy there. Like we should be thriving through life. We only get one go at it. What are the things that we can do to continually grow through life rather than just go through life? Like how do we continue to expand our knowledge, our learnings and implement this stuff to make ourselves feel but good because we owe it to ourselves and to the people around us because when we start to implement healthier habits, the people around us get the better version of us, but then they get inspired as well to maybe make some healthy choices and changes in their well butlike lifestyle as well. Yeah. And like I work a lot with like energy and you just imagine all the good energy. Like there are literally machines that photograph energy leaving the body when you're doing this for yourself, the energy that you were giving your loved ones. It's amazing. And like you look at, you know, the 1% good club, like it's.
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literally the energy is illuminating out to millions of people. like it's It's so exciting. I love this stuff. yeah I just love it too. It's just so cool to give people action pieces rather than yeah continue to bang out around like the amount of suicides there are this year or how much we need help and all of the problems that we have. and you know Here's a number to call. You can go and get on a free mental health plan. like There's so many great things that are basically like nets that catch us. Why are we like catching all these fish? like what's What's happening upstream? Why are they all ending up down here in the nets? like okay Let's start with you know proactive daily um you know actions that we all take rather than letting us sort of slip down that treadmill that is life down to you know Struggle Street. yeah and I like what you said before. It was kind of around the realm of like focusing on what you do have rather than what you don't have. and you know When you are going through the trenches and you're having shitty days or weeks or months, there are
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some pockets of positivity that you can kind of find and grab onto even if they're so tiny and just start to grow on that. um yeah It's just gratitude, focusing on thoughts like appreciation not expectation, like what's the things that are going all right and obviously it's very relative to people's challenges in life and I'll never discount that some people are going through some of the most traumatic things yeah you'll ever hear of but I've interviewed hundreds of people now who have had some very difficult moments in their life and who have come out the other side so just maintaining hope and focusing on those little things each day that you can do can just you know expand into a life that we all dream of. Yeah and guys I'll say it at the end but Cooper's podcast is incredible like you're gonna come on soon for a chat. Oh yeah very exciting yeah but it's it's such a good podcast you interview such
00:21:21
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interesting, inspiring people. So I'll put the link in the show notes. thank But let's take it back a little bit. I feel like you and I have some similarities in that we both grew up in quite competitive industries. So I grew up in the acting industry and for me personally, anxiety would come up a lot because it was so competitive. I was constantly facing rejection. You know, if I didn't get the role, essentially I felt I wasn't good enough. Like I didn't get it. And I know you grew up in the surfing industry and I guess they're both competitive and you're both, you're you're kind of striving to get a place or for me, a role. How did you deal with the competitive nature of that industry? And did you ever get stuck in comparison and things like that?
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Yeah, massively. I think looking back upon reflection, like I wasn't, I definitely wasn't the sort of guy I am today. Back then, so much of my self-worth and identity was wrapped up in external validation. Kind of like you just alluded to what other people think of us. The fear of rejection, the fear of failure was such a big one for me when I was growing up. If I want a self-comp, I'd feel really good about myself. And you know, getting pats on the back from sponsors, friends, family. If I was doing poorly I kind of felt embarrassed ashamed to be around people and I rode that roller coaster throughout my whole junior career up until you know my mid 20s and when I was kind of in my early 20s I got exposed to I guess a different perspective and way of viewing myself and it took me years to really
00:22:51
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develop this perspective and get better at it and I still am but it changed my life so when I was like in my early 20s kind of riding this roller coaster as a junior surfer it was okay I had a pretty successful career so as much as there were downs there was quite a lot of ups so I kind of you know had a bit of ego and rode that roller coaster of you know kind of not taking on advice from my dad and some people who really mattered to me because I thought I knew better because these other cool people in the industry gave me advice and props whereas looking back I'm like a lot of those people didn't even really care about me they were just like looking to get their own benefit out of you know my success so I had this um chat with my sports psychologist right when I kind of progressed from the junior tour in Australia kind of big fish small pond in Australia top three here to small fish big pond on the international scene and as well as my results starting to decline my well-being started to decline my mental health
00:23:41
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at times started to get a bit tricky. I'd had some family history with mental illness. I lost an uncle to suicide. My dad struggled a bit. So I was always kind of aware and almost fearful that I might run down the family history of um mental illness. So when I spoke to my sports psychologist about kind of going like, I'm kind of struggling, but I felt this embarrassment and shame to really get help from a psychologist. But I sort of told my sports psychologist stuff to try and improve my performance. And that's when he challenged me and said, like, pro-surfing is what you do, mate, but it's not who you are, like, who are you? And I was like, what do you mean? And he's like, so many of us base our self-worth, our identity, our self-esteem on external validation and our results, on achievements, on what people think of us. And I was like, well, what else can I base it on? And he said something that really changed the way that I view my own life. And he said, what are your values, Cooper?
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And I was like, oh, like kindness, respect, honesty, all these ones that mom and dad had told me about, these buzzwords. And he said, yeah, but how well do you actually live to those values, mate? And that was the first time that I'd actually really started to reflect and think about my actions and go like, you know what, maybe... these values that I say are mine aren't really mine, I'm
Reflecting on Values and Self-Improvement
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not living to them. So that sent me on a bit of a journey throughout my 20s to understand who I am and what my values are and really go deep into you know some different courses but also reading plenty of books and a lot of autobiographies and biographies and watching documentaries and just being curious, what are these people who I look up to who are healthy and happy and successful? like What values do I see them have that I wanna see in myself?
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And I kinda just went on this journey to understand what those values are, and ever since... doing this work, it's allowed me to be a lot less swayed by external validation because I'm like, you know what? My job each day is to wake up and try and live through those values. Everything else in my life will fall around in the way it's been to. If I live solid to these values, I can guide my decision making, they can guide, you know, my happiness. Like, if I'm not living to the values and I've got no one to blame except for myself. But if I'm living to the values and I don't feel great, then okay, maybe then
00:25:46
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you know, I can adjust and try and, you know, do something more. But you kind of take the control back into your own court when you start to develop, I guess, personal values and be guided by them. And that's, yeah, the journey that I feel like I'm on continually evolving what those values are. And yeah, that's kind of where I'm at right now. That's amazing and so inspiring. Very long. Very long. No, I loved it. This is what I want. This is what the people want. This is perfect. It goes to show the power of self-reflection, doesn't it, that you had the ability to actually understand and look at where your energy was going, what you didn't like, what you did want for yourself, you know, that's so hard to do. And I think so many people struggle to take that first step because they think a bit of self-reflection is A, going to be uncomfortable because it is. Absolutely. It should be. Especially if you want to change and you want to, you know, be in a different place than you're at. Yeah. But I've also found like a lot of my community say things to me like, you know,
00:26:44
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they've done it for a week or they've done it for a couple of weeks. They don't see change. Of course, like it's a, it's the long game and you have to get deep and uncomfortable and kind of unravel what's at the bottom for everything to then, like you said, everything started to flow around you. And I guess I love how like the good human factory and everything that you do and pass around a smile kind of aligns, but like I talk about it from an energetics and manifestation point of view. And you come in with like the scientific base results and mental health kind of side. And it's just so nice to see them marry up. Like, and it's true. We need to spread our energy and do things for us. Like you actually, you honored yourself enough. You had the self-worth after years in the surfing industry of being pulled down and, you know, giving your energy to those other people who maybe didn't you know care as much as your parents, for example, to then be like, no, I, I need this for me and I need to go deeper. And,
00:27:38
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this self-reflection it goes to show, you it actually does change your life. It's not just a bit of meditation, a bit of journaling, a bit of reflection, it changes everything. Absolutely, our perspectives, absolutely everything. I mean, from the outside looking in, I was living the most extraordinary life ever. I was traveling the world going surfing with my friends and getting paid to do it, but I wasn't happy, I wasn't fulfilled. And then the kind of tail end of my surf career where I lost my sponsorship and I was working full-time as a tradie to fund my career, was some of the years that I enjoyed the travel and stuff the most. For one, because I'd have to work harder to get there. But for two, that I'd change my perspective instead of... having expectation of like, oh, why me? the Guys it's ah ranked lower than me, getting paid more than me by sponsors, and I'm here working a job site. I kind of flipped that perspective and went, I'm still traveling the world going surfing with my friends. Like, I've got it so much better than so, so many people, and not that it's about comparison, but just being like, you know what? Like, what do I have? Like, I'm healthy, I'm traveling the world as an athlete with my friends going surfing. Sure, I have to work a bit of time at home,
00:28:44
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And yeah, even though they were the years that were probably the most difficult to be able to financially support myself, they were the years that I enjoyed the most because I you know felt like a different person traveling towards the end of my career. And there was like one moment that I remember really clearly, because I'd learned this stuff, but I'd still go back to the victim mentality like we all do. We kind of, you know, flow between the two. And I remember I was sitting in um South Africa at this place called Bolido, just out of Durban for this event. And I kind of just lost my sponsor. I was sponsored by Hurley for five or so seven seven years.
00:29:20
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and I was working for my friend's landscaping company and he um sponsored me a little bit and gave me like basically a little bit of extra pay so I could get to this next event and I was sitting there getting ready to paddle out for a heat and I just remember having like the most toxic mindset of like oh like this guy from over in Europe's getting paid this money and he serves worse for me and like was just like going through all these thoughts and then I just had this one moment where I remembered the thing that I've mentioned a few times throughout this chat something that my dad always said to me as a kid he said like appreciation not expectation mate appreciation not expectation
00:29:54
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And I kind of like tried to integrate that into, you know, to change how I was feeling sitting on that beach before I paddled out for this heat. And I was like, you know what? Like, how lucky my mate who I worked for at home gave me extra money so I could go and surf. All the other guys that I work with at home are still at that job site digging holes and I'm overseas surfing. Like, life's good. Like, I'm lucky rather than, oh, I'm unlucky that I'm not, like, you know, rather than comparing across and up I started to not compare across and down but people that you know would love to be doing what I'm doing so from that moment I was just like you know what I'm just gonna be happy that I'm here I'm just gonna enjoy myself and yeah just changed my outlook I got to travel the world the last few years of my career
00:30:34
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with such a positive and enjoyable outlook rather than losing an event and changing my flight to come home early because I'm frustrated. It's like, no, I'm in a beautiful part of the world. I'm going to enjoy it. And I think it came a lot with maturity, but I really think it came down to that clarity of like, you know what? I want to live to values rather than, you know, external validation and results. Yeah. Wow. That's so inspiring. I think you're right. Like changing our perspective has the power to change our experiences. For sure. and it can happen in a split second. I think that's what's exciting too is some of this stuff that we're talking about, the self-development, you know, stuff, it's not necessarily always really hard and uncomfortable work. Sometimes it can just be you had that change of thought in that instant
00:31:19
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everything changed because again, it's energy. So things can change really quickly, which I think is really inspiring for people to hear who are really struggling at the moment. And they think, oh, but you know, my, the positive times are so far away. It's like, they don't have to be. Yeah, I always remember this one thing, and it's so easy to say this sometimes from people who obviously do have an amazing life from the outside looking in, but I was talking to Bob Hurley, who's the founder of Hurley. um I remember it so clearly this one day. I was in Hawaii and were there for some surf comps, and I think I just started sort of like the mental health stuff. No, actually I had't i hadn't. even I was ah wasn't with Hurley when I'd started the Good Human Factory. I don't know why we're talking about this, but this conversation comes up in my head all the time.
00:32:03
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Just about the idea of like being happy and he said to me one day, he was like, I just consciously make a choice every day when I wake up. I can choose to be overwhelmed and anxious today or I can choose to be happy. I'm gonna choose to be happy every single day. And he's like the most energized and happy and infectious person. So I've tried to take a little bit out of that of what I've seen in his life and just like, you know, every day when you wake up, you get to make a choice. Like, am I going to be overwhelmed and anxious or am I going to choose to be happy and curious and optimistic today? And it is so hard and I don't want to take away from people, you know, who are going through those really difficult times in life. But
00:32:40
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You know, those days where you wake up and you're like, I don't really want to go to work. So I don't have to go to work. I get to go to work. Like I've got a job. I've got, you know, people around me who, you know, care about me. Like there's so many people that have so much less than us, especially if you're lucky enough to be listening on a device that you can listen on. If you're lucky enough to know, you know, be listening with headphones in your ear or sitting in a car and it's coming through your car audio. Like we're so often comparing across and up to what we want to have. rather than going, oh you know what, I do have a lot. Yeah, well said. It's, yeah, and I think social media is hard for that, isn't it? With this comparison, you're looking at people's highlight reels and comparing
00:33:21
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you know, what you have to what they have and then all of a sudden you might get stuck in a spiral where you're wanting things that you don't actually necessarily want. But you think you want it because it looks like it makes that other person happy. exactly Or that other person abundant or whatever it is. How do you go being, you know, such a positive role model from the outside in, you're like this, you're the smiley human behind what you do. On the days where you're struggling, how do you kind of cope with that? I think communication is a big one. Me and my partner have a really great relationship where you know we can talk to each other about things that we're struggling with. I've also got such a beautiful close friend group who you know we get to chat to each other when things are going.
00:34:04
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you know Not going bad, but you know but when we're going through those challenging moments that we're all gonna go through in life, whether it be you know family members passing away, financial issues is always a big one for me trying to build a business, learning how to structure and grow a business and having days where like I can't pay myself this week. like you know I have those stresses all the time, but I still make that choice every day. like I'm gonna get to the end of today. Based on you know history, I've got to the end of every other day I've been alive. yeah I'm probably gonna get to the end of today. I can make the choice to be overwhelmed and flustered all day today about my challenges or I can do it with you know the optimistic outlook of like maybe good things will fall into place and the best outcome might happen in this challenge that I'm going through and if it doesn't, I'd rather go through that moment today.
00:34:48
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with an optimistic outlook than not and quite often and you know with manifestation and that sort of work for me it seems to flow in a good direction when I'm you know putting good stuff out into the world building up good karma but also you know just having a optimistic outlook and like what what if this happens rather than oh like what if that happens yes it's um yeah and it takes time to get to that and i have the days where i'm just like absolutely not feeling it at all and i'm like big on rest like if i have a day where i'm so and i'm i have that luxury that i've built a business that if i'm having a day that's quite slow with work and i'm not feeling it i'll be like you know what i'm gonna switch off yeah and me and my partner are very good at you know just being there with each other and talking and talking through the challenges like we have um
00:35:31
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a thing we call it our full potential board. So we have like 14 healthy habits that we try and tick off every single day because 14 times by seven is 98. It kind of gives a nice snapshot out of 100 how you did with your sort of healthy habits a week. um So we have 14 and one of them is communication. So we try and every day make sure that we spend, you know, a bit of time actually connecting and going through the things that are challenging rather than it just being up in our head or even if it's a challenge with um each other in our relationship rather than resent and judge and, you know, i have something to hold on to. We talk about it and be open about it. Seems real kindness and empathy. Yeah, exactly. So that's, um, yeah, that's been something that's helped me, but don't get me wrong. I still have challenging days, but I just try and show up to them with a smile on my face. Like, you know, well, we can be anything, choose to be positive. Yeah. You're so inspiring. I can't wait to hear what everyone has to say about this episode. I don't want people to think that I'm like, goo goo gaga, like everything's all good. No, but you're, you're, you're not, you're realistic and you're honest and you communicate and,
00:36:30
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I also want to say thank you about being so honest before about the surfing industry and the struggles that you felt with you know comparing yourself to the people that might be getting paid more or that you had more talent than this guy because it's something that we all feel and we need to talk about more. you know like We can still be positive, optimistic, happy humans, but we can still talk about our struggles. We can have our health events to our friends and family. like It's so important. For sure. um Back to like the kind of surfing and acting industry and like the criticism that you may have faced or that I'd definitely face. I was listening to I think it may have been your episode on Darling Shine a while ago and you were talking about the difference between constructive criticism and criticism that's not destructive. destroy There you go. Talk us through that because that really helped me kind of understand and just reflect on the years in the acting industry that I just I faced a lot of that.
00:37:24
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Yeah, I mean, let me just start with this. Do you reckon your whole like, when you thought it was criticism but it was probably constructive, do you think your life would have been different if you asked yourself this question in your head when you got criticized? Where's the truth in what they're saying? Absolutely, my life would have been so ridiculous. And how much better of an actor would have you probably got if instead of taking the criticism to heart, you go, ooh, where can I improve from that? And all of this, and especially when we're young, find it so hard to take on criticism. I wish we got taught, like my dad told me so much when I was a kid, like, you gotta to learn how to lose before you learn how to win. like I was the biggest crier when I lost. like but and And I always relate to my dad because he was the one who would give me advice about my surfing. He'd watch me more than anyone. And he'd say to me like, oh, make sure you do this with your arm or like this. And I'd always have an excuse and be like, oh, you don't know anything. I'd just butt heads with him so much.
00:38:16
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and looking back I'm like I wish I just said like oh where's the truth in what he's saying oh maybe if I do do that I will like do that turn better or listen to him and like work together on it so yeah I look at criticism through the lens of kind of two ways now which is constructive criticism and destructive criticism sometimes it is um really hard to differentiate between the two because that ego gets in the way and we see constructive as destructive quite often we see someone coming at us to you know and sometimes the delivery of criticism to us can be quite harsh but that's what your best friends do is they you know call you out on your stuff to allow you to improve rather than just you know butter you up and make out like you're not the one in the wrong sometimes we need people to be like no you know what you got that wrong you you show up late pretty often mate
00:39:02
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or like you know when your friend like has a go at you about being late time and time again and you have the excuse of oh but my car or but this it's like instead of going oh you know what I probably should just try and leave a little bit earlier when I go to stuff instead of being late all the time like rather than you know getting triggered by stuff going okay where's the truth in what they're saying yeah so that's just a really good one that I like to do when someone does criticize me in any way before reacting to it going Oh, you know what? You are right. And it diffuses so many
Handling Criticism with Empathy
00:39:32
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arguments when people like ah criticize you, maybe in a bit of an aggressive way yeah to create an argument and then you go, you know what? You're right. It kind of diffuses any argument because you go, okay, I've got the control now to make a change yeah to get a different outcome next time. Whereas when you blame everything else, the ref, the accountant, that everyone else's fault, it's like, huh.
00:39:56
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then you can't really do much to change the next outcome. Whereas when you take on the responsibility, you go, oh, okay, maybe I can do something different. I'll take that criticism on. And then there's the other side of criticism, which um is really hard sometimes to decipher if it is constructive or not. But then um that's what I call destructive criticism. When someone's usually saying something to you to bring you down, to make themselves feel better, it's usually coming from their own insecurity. And with that, and it's really hard sometimes, I just try to have empathy for the person. Like, what are they going through for them to be acting like this? like And I'll give you an example of this through um through driving. It's a good one. I've chose a few people listening out there that might get a little bit of road rage here and there if someone cuts you off in traffic and you get quite frustrated. I um i was down in Melbourne a couple of years ago and a friend of mine has a farm a few hours out of Melbourne.
00:40:44
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out near Shepparton and we were driving home from Shepparton back to Melbourne this one day and he said to me we'll listen to one of my podcasts and the guest was talking about empathy and my mate was like I'll give you a great story about empathy and I was like all right fire away and he goes I was driving along this one-way-each-way road that we're literally driving on it at that moment back to Melbourne and he said and there's this car that was just driving up my arse this one day like on the horn like like a maniac and he couldn't get past because it was quite busy traffic and then eventually he sped past me when he got a gap and he thought nothing of it and then he saw that car in the driveway at a party like three weeks later and he's like that was that car or that guy who was driving like a maniac
00:41:21
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So he but eventually worked out who the guy was at the party and said to him like, was that you driving home from Shepparton the other day like a maniac? And he's like, oh, I'm so sorry. like What do you mean? you' Like, it's all good. like Like, is everything okay? And he's like, I just got a call from my family that our family home was on fire back in Melbourne and I was trying to race back to save as much as I could. And I was like, the amount of times that someone's done something and I judged them and wanted to yell out the window and not actually gone like, as long as I don't crash and it, you know, ruins my day, ruins my car, and it doesn't, you know, cause me that much of a, you know, of a challenge, then rather than react to it, go like, you know what, I hope your day gets better. And that's what empathy is, not judging, you know, not getting furious, being curious. I wonder what they're going through, why they're doing this, rather than get angry at them going,
00:42:08
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You know what, I wonder why they're acting this way. If it doesn't you know fully ruin my day, I'm not gonna let it. like It's a choice. yeah So that's what I you know take as destructive criticism. When someone's throwing something at you, instead of being furious back at them, being curious. Why why are you being like this to me? like I don't want it to ruin my day as well. so I don't know, there's just two ways that I've found really helped me and have changed with time criticism. I used to hate both of them. I'd be the one who'd react to someone, but it would be destructive criticism or I'd be the one that I'd react back to constructive criticism too. I'd have an excuse and it was never my fault. Whereas now I'm like, it's good when it's your fault because you can make change to improve from it. I love that. I love like how you say, oh, it's good that it's my fault because then you have control over change. Exactly. Because it can feel really disheartening when you're, like you said before, you're constantly blaming other people. You think the world's against you, but it's like, no. It's a victim mindset. Yeah, that victim mentality.
00:43:04
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that's so powerful, and I hope my community can take this as a little challenge next time, you know, that something someone else does upsets you or challenges you, yeah. Just choose how you respond. We get to choose, we have a choice. I loved that little story. I got serious. Like I said, that was the first time I learned about this, be curious, not furious, and it fits perfectly in that that little exercise of when somebody is criticizing you or someone is being really mean to you and you want to engage in it instead of being furious back with them don't fight fire with fire just be like okay i'll be curious why they're acting like this you know i hope your day gets better rather than yeah you know letting it rule my day too and often i think we react
00:43:48
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in a big way or we have big feelings towards something that someone said to us if it's like a reflection of something we're struggling with or we're self-conscious about. Like I just remember now this comment that I got years and years and years ago that I still remember to this day, because I used to get a lot of online hate when I was filming, eight well, after I filmed H2O, but it was out. And this girl commented on a photo of me in America and said, you selfish brat, um you you're always traveling. or something like that. Like, um, this life has just been landed on your lap. That was something like that. And I was so upset and so offended because it was, there was no truth in it. Um, but I had to then sit and be like, why does this affect me so much? Like, why am I so affected by this? So I did some self reflection on that, but that's kind of another story. But the point of this story is,
00:44:42
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I bit back. I wrote back and I was like, you have no idea. And I never, I never would respond to haters. um But this one just really got me. And I wrote back and I was like, I worked so hard for my money. Like at that time I was working like three casual jobs to and i'd pay for my acting visa and get to America. Like you don't know. And bit back. And then she wrote back this beautiful message being like, I am so, cause I put a bit of a lesson in there. You know, this is when I just started passing around the smile. So I was like, you know, please just try and see through love and empathy. yeah
00:45:15
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This has been really hard for me and I'm really proud to be over here in America. Like, please just think about what you're doing. And she wrote this big, beautiful message back about how she was struggling with depression and anxiety and that she was judging other people and that she wished she had what I had. And then, you know, we ended up having this conversation back and forth and I was like, oh, this is beautiful. And it took a bit to get there. Exactly. But yeah, be curious. It's fascinating. Like I had one symbol at 11. I didn't have the same outcome last week when my sister had her baby. She'd done her announcement post and um I went and met Bobby for the first time and I put up like a Instagram real like with just me with my first ever knees and like all the comments are overwhelmingly positive and then this one person just like from their wedding photography business page from America just commented like
00:46:05
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of course you'd be the first one to post a video always trying to like leverage off your sister and fish's profile to like blah blah blah and I was just like like god so I deleted the comment and I was like you know what I'm not gonna attach it and then they wrote another one going like yeah you would delete look at you feeling guilty that you blah blah blah like so cringe so I was like I deleted again I just sent the person a DM going like hey is everything or like have I done something to upset you like you've never met me or anyone in my family I was with my sister and she said it's completely fine to post what I did. And then she wrote back like another thing going like, I found out from your video about the baby. Like if you would have listened to her podcast, you would have not it known that um she didn't want family or anyone posting until after her. And I was like, what are you and all star yeah talking about? about?
00:46:59
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and then I like went to like explain myself again and then the person just like self imploded and was just like oh my god you're so cringe stop writing to me and I was just like oh my god and not worth your energy at all I don't know why I engaged with this person but yeah just blocked them both but and off the business profile? Yeah and I was like, you're yeah're like meant to be like a wedding photographer promoting love and here you are like literally like smearing hate on a comment section where there's thousands of nice comments and people saying like congratulations being an untold beautiful like baby so happy for your sister and I was just like anyway but I'll give you one more that's um very very recent for me and a time that I didn't take the criticism well. Right.
00:47:39
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and it's from my relationship in the last like two days. So this is just a good one to show people that I get this wrong all the time and I'm trying to learn from it. So on Saturday, my partner, Carol, she's amazing, just said to me like, hey, I'd love to go like out to dinner or like on a bit of a date afternoon, we haven't really done that for a while, blah, blah. So I was like, yeah, absolutely, let's do it. I have like very bad fashion sense at the best of times. But I kind of live in the merch that I do with my business, The Good Human Factory. And that afternoon, I kind of just, as I do, just like chucked on my Good Human Factory shirt and sort of had like whatever. I didn't put in too much effort. yeah And she said to me like, hey, it'd be nice like if you put in a little bit more effort like when we go on a date afternoon to like, you know, look nice for me.
00:48:26
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And I let the ego get it. To be honest, I said to her, I was like, you know, doesn't bother me. Like, I'll wear whatever you want. Like, yeah, here, you pick for me then. And kind of like a little bit spitefully, resentfully, was like, well, you pick for me then. I really don't care. And then kind of was like, here, does this one? And kind of like, you know, played it up a bit instead of being mature and looking her in the eye and saying like, and then I kind of got to the end of it and went like, you know what? I was triggered there because you were right. i I wasn't putting in enough effort to that and I felt guilty that I wasn't and that's why I acted a bit childish in my response, if you pick it then. like yeah It was like, you know, what and then we got to the end of it and we had like our little few words and, you know, I had to have a conversation and then eventually I was like, you know what, you are completely right. Like I do need to put in more effort. That was me.
00:49:18
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you know responding to or reacting to you calling me out on it rather than being you know mature about and going you know what you are right like yeah here let me pick something like it happens to me at the best of times you know and good so I'm not trying to say I'm far from perfect and that was a moment that like you know I had to put into practice yeah some of the learnings that I'd try and teach and be like, you know what, she's completely right. Like, I am reacting to that because she's right. And that's usually a good sign when we react to something that the person is right, that where's the truth in what she's saying? Yeah, if she is right, I should have put in more effort to look a little bit nicer.
00:49:52
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Yeah, and sometimes it does, it takes a bit of time to, you know, you react and then you feel bad and then you're like, you think about it and then you're like, ah, yeah. Yeah. Here we are again, because we're not perfect. We are not perfect. Yeah, and good on YouTube for communicating about it. Again, communication is so important. For sure. Yeah, it's refreshing to hear. I think a lot of people will love hearing that. I get a lot of questions about relationships in my community, so I think that a lot of people will really like
Communication and Perspective in Personal Life
00:50:18
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hearing that. Oh yeah, it's it's good for, I mean, I, you know it' It's hard when your partner calls you out on something that seems so insignificant, because as I said at the start, I do not care too much about my image when it comes to how I dress. I have a terrible dress sense, so it doesn't even phase me, so I didn't really think too much about it. yeah But then upon reflection, I was like, you know what? It would feel nice for her if I did put in a bit of effort, and I was like, yeah, you know what? That makes sense.
00:50:44
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I have a little story to jump back on that, which actually happened last night, something that Luke kind of called me out on. So I'm obviously just, I've got a baby. She's 14 weeks. Um, the first 12 weeks, you know, my hormones were here, there and everywhere. So things would happen. Like, for example, when we trying her on a bottle, we're trying to do a bottle a day of my breast milk and she wouldn't take it, but we've warmed it. So it would then be wasted and I get really upset because you know, it's like liquid gold. You get upset when you waste this milk. Anyway, I, as that would kind of happen, Luke was trying to tell me it's, it's not a, it's not a waste. Like, because we're trying to do this bottle. So you can have a bit of time in your day for you and like, we're getting somewhere and you know, we can use it for bath milk again, perspective. So he was really helping me with that. And then, um, and again, like I have people from pass around small community being like, you're always so positive and optimistic. And it's like, no, I'm not. I am absolutely not.
00:51:41
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Anyway, so I'd fully spit the dummy, like cry over this milk that was wasted. Anyway, last night I opened my laptop and it wouldn't turn on. It's just, it's completely broken. I don't know what's going on. And then at the same time, Luke was giving a bottle and she wasted 45 mil. I shouldn't say she wasted 45 mil, but she didn't take 45 mil again, changing my perspective. And it all happened. And I just started laughing. And Luke was like, are you okay? And I was like, I'm so fine. It's like everything clicked. And I realized that, you know, when like you've got your brand new niece, I've got my brand new little baby daughter. Nothing else really matters other than our family and love and health and safety. And I was getting like, my laptop broke last year.
00:52:30
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I absolutely had the biggest tantrum. The biggest tantrum, I let it ruin my week and I just laughed and I shut it and I put it downstairs and I put the milk in the bath milk container and I just ended up having a really good night and Luke was like, are you sure you're okay? And I was like, yes, I am. It's all clicked and it took a while, but perspective. Yeah. but's see If we stuff something or something doesn't go how we meant it to go, unless we yeah like did unless it's like, a I don't know how to explain this, i say people like I'll give you an example again of like my dad
00:53:05
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Well, for one, like someone cut them off in traffic or something like, what's like an example of this? I'll give you a stupid example, but. I love a stupid example. Someone will like drop an egg and it'll go on the ground and someone will be like, oh, you idiot, like get super angry at themselves about it. It's like, if you didn't mean to do it, then like laugh at it. And would you treat yourself a friend like, like if your friend dropped the egg, would you yell at them and be like, you stupid idiot? Or even if they did like, oh, you got something on my carpet. It's like, if I didn't mean to do it, then like. Yeah. you know, why am I going to let this ruin my day? Like unless you like intentionally did something and stuffed it up. And then it causes for self-reflection. Yeah. But it's like when somebody gives yourself and does something accidentally and people get super frustrated. I'm like, Oh yes. Like you lost that little battle there. It's like, we have the choice to respond like how we react to stuff every day. But so many of us like take away that choice and just like let our reaction take over. It's like,
00:54:02
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I just laugh at stuff like that. as like if i say That's why I brought that up because you're saying you just laugh at it. It's like, when you just laugh at something, I didn't mean to drop the egg. That's kind of funny, really. you know like so Exactly. like I texted my mum last night and I said my laptop just broke. Hee hee hee. And mum wrote back saying, why are you laughing? And I was like, because it just doesn't matter. Yeah, it is. It really doesn't matter. It didn't mean for
Mental Health Workshops and Podcast Promotion
00:54:24
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it. I'm not going to let it make me angry for the whole week or i frustrated or like, And it really was, yeah, for me anyway, it was a real big realization of how far I've come and how much like, you know, having indigo has changed my perception of these little things that I used to make so big. They were so small and then just, you know, get bigger and bigger. And then all of a sudden all of these negative things are happening because your negative energy is rising. You're attracting the same back.
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it It just really doesn't matter. Yeah, so I think we might we might end on that Can you tell my community though where they can find you? um Your communities and maybe just a little bit about like the school chats and stuff that you do as well Yes, I'm sure you probably got some schoolteacher. Um, listen i lot actually yeah, so I guess my main business that I do is like 60% of the work that I do is like high school workshops sharing my story but kind of trying to make mental health cool being a young professional ex-professional athlete now but still quite young and all the ambassadors who helped me spread my message are kind of world leading athletes. um
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young Australian Olympians and a whole bunch of cool people trying to help me just make mental health cool and make kids go oh it doesn't have to be this heavy topic that we kind of frown like I walk into schools and kids I say I'm here to talk about mental health and they go oh but then by the end of it they go oh that was nothing like what I thought I've actually got a few skills that I can now implement so Yeah, if you want to learn more about the workshops that I run for high schools or for corporate groups or sporting clubs, you can find that on my website, thegoodhumanfactory.com. And I'll put that link in the show notes as well. Yeah, you can find that, I'm sure, in the show notes. Same thing, my merchandise is on the website. You can find basically everything about The Good Human Factory over there. What else? My podcast, if you're obviously a podcast listener listening to this, after you've binged every one of
00:56:09
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Clio's podcast, you can check out my podcast, it's called Good Humans with Cooper Chapman. Yeah, there's a couple hundred episodes on there now. It's really inspiring, cool people. So that's um always a good spot to find me, but also just social media is the easiest one at Cooper Chapman on Instagram and TikTok. um And yeah, same thing with Good Human Factory, you can find us on social media as well. Amazing. Thank you so much and thank you for everything you do for the world because honestly you you're changing it. Likewise, it's great to come catch up and looking forward to having a chat on my podcast with you very soon. I'm excited. Thanks Koopa.
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