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Lich Please! Episode: 20
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Transcript
Recap and Strategy Discussion
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to the Lich Police podcast. It's gonna be a chill up for today, just me and Alex. Yeah. So have you recovered? From last session? Not really. After Monday. No, not really. I was scared last session. I thought, cause you said, so you said before- Should we briefly run down what happened before we get into it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So- You guys,
00:00:30
Speaker
Uh died Yeah, well much. Yeah, well kind of um yeah, so We were running for another goblin camp because we've been going through them quite quickly recently I think that was our fifth one or fourth It's one of your last yeah, it's one of the last um, so running for it. It's quite a big one So this this was two sessions two session goblin camp. Um
00:00:59
Speaker
Honestly, the first session
Highlights and Battle Tactics
00:01:00
Speaker
we got into the camp, we absolutely eviscerated everything. Second session, we got through them quite easy and then we got to the end part. Now, so the session before you answered, this camp will be a hard camp, I think. I feel like I strictly remember you saying that. So I was like, cool. The end's probably going to be difficult.
00:01:20
Speaker
a few of us might get downed or whatever, right? Like, that will happen. So it's like, cool, we'll go in, we'll do some stuff. You know, I think I was as prepared as I could be for my expectations for that final fight. Having picked up, like, a chain previously and, like, some small weapons to use, I was ready, right? Walking. You were also getting very confident, overconfident. The party was overconfident. Yes, I mean, we were, we were.
00:01:49
Speaker
We were rolling good. We were killing things, man. It was good. Minus minus stiff rolls, but that's not the point. Yeah, so we got him. There was two hop goblins and a half dragon, which is great fun. Yeah, great fun. At level two. At level two. At level two. Yeah, it ended very quickly. Well, meh.
00:02:17
Speaker
I could have ended it immediately, but I wanted to give you guys a bit of a fight. Yeah, so I think I'm gonna say Tyr got downed first, I think, off the top of my head. Tyr only went down first because he compelled dueled the half dragon. Tyr got downed first. We saved the rest of you. Well, yeah.
TPK Event and Speculations
00:02:46
Speaker
Yeah, Tyr got downed. I was blinded, I think, straight away, before I even got my turn in combat. So I think I was last in initiative again for like the fourth time that night. That was like my third natural initiative. So I was blinded straight away. Off I get go.
00:03:05
Speaker
to which instead of playing like normal people do when they are blinded, and they just run at something and roll and attack with disadvantage, I just rolled a dice, a d8, to see which direction I'd walk. North, northwest, west, like. Oh, that's really cool. Is that what you were doing? Yeah, that's why I walked to the table, because I rolled a 2. Yeah, that's a really good idea. Yeah, it was northeast. Yeah, so yeah, I ended up
00:03:33
Speaker
not near any enemies and hit a table. Then I died. Like straight after that, I took a lightning bolt. Is it lightning bolt? Is it just lightning? It was lightning bolt. It was lightning bolt. Straight to my head. Now, when I look back, I took 26 points of damage, right? I have 24 health. I easily could have stoned Zendorans and stayed alive.
00:04:03
Speaker
Because my size of drawers is a detail of plus four, so I would have stayed alive, regardless of the role. I forgot. I forgot. I was just like, oh, OK, cool. Yeah, it happened. It happened. So then who else went down?
00:04:25
Speaker
Astra? After me? You think I'm going to tear me, Astra? Or? Yes, that's who initially went down, yeah.
Secret Encounter and Character Backstories
00:04:33
Speaker
So tear me, Astra. Then Northine revived Tyr. I think she healed Tyr. She did. No.
00:04:48
Speaker
Yes, she did get up to you. Yeah, she did. Which the consequences of that will be next session. Yes, we'll explore that. Yeah. And then to Leonhan's Astra.
00:05:05
Speaker
Yes. And then Finnan... No. Tear used a greater potion of healing on Astra. And kept the hit points. Yeah. And then Finnan... Finnan healed you using the amulet of love. He got back in like session two. That's what it was. Yeah. So I got up with like 17 hit points. It was nice. Yeah.
00:05:30
Speaker
I think it was actually exactly 17, yeah. So then basically everyone just got killed, like in their next turn. Because, do you want to explain why? Why we all had to get killed or why everyone got killed in their next turn? Why you all got killed that turn? Well, I survived.
00:05:54
Speaker
you did I survived you also convinced the hobgoblin yes yes on their side yeah the hobgoblin was like
Campaign Dynamics and World Building
00:06:02
Speaker
well okay I'm gonna wipe them all out with a fireball yeah I tried to make a play I thought he would help us kill the half dragon and then we would kill them didn't work but you forgot that he was still against you yes
00:06:16
Speaker
playing into my damn role there. Yeah. So yeah, everyone got fireballed. I survived. In fact, that's when I remember Sony's endurance. I only took three points of damage. It was. Because I rolled. Which almost panicked me so much when you did that. I was like, fuck, no, no, no, no, no. I was like, yeah, this is nice. I might survive. I didn't think that. I knew I was going to die. So I was on 14, and then
00:06:45
Speaker
I got hit for max damage, which is exactly my health. And I was so sad. Because I was like, I could survive. If I got hit for anything less, someone was getting revived, right? 100%. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Because I would have second winded. People were. And then I would have. People were permitted, right, because of the damage. Yeah, actually, Northine, Finland, and Astra? Astra? Yeah. Yeah, I think it was just here.
00:07:15
Speaker
yeah yes but i i i got max banished and i i died um you were saved we were now in all honesty when we got tpk'd i didn't think that was it i was like well you aren't going to do something like that he's not just going to kill us all he's not going to put us level two against two orb goblins there's no way it's not going to happen um
00:07:45
Speaker
So clearly something I thought one of the gods were going to help us. Oh, really? Yeah, I thought that's what the premise was. I didn't think we were going to transport it to Virginia, which is basically for some little backstory, I think about a month ago. I think we've mentioned the rats. We've mentioned the rats. I don't think we did.
00:08:13
Speaker
uh we had not spoken about that encounter because we know people in the party listened so have yes avoided that little secret it's it if you remember a few years ago probably actually when i say a few years ago i mean like back in december we spoke about dan's little secret um yes this is dan's little secret yeah so basically we um me and tia were off somewhere right um
00:08:43
Speaker
in a forest in a town because Till wanted to not sleep in a town so I decided to keep him company.
00:08:52
Speaker
Obviously everyone knows about the rat pack. We talked about it on the unwrapped and in episodes It's basically just a bag of holding just for rats, right? Cuz people eat rats in this world It's nice Yeah, it did But people found so we found this one really really big Chad rat huge gore lock. Yeah
00:09:19
Speaker
and we put them in the rat pack in hopes that we would get basically like a set of extremely huge rats from there forward um kind of that happened um yeah yeah it did happen yeah well me and tia got awoken basically at night from a big rat uh gawlok's descendants from the future basically asking us to help in holy war kind of type of thing
00:09:43
Speaker
or like a civil war whatever war you want to call it um inside the rat pack in the future inside the rat pack in a country called Romania yeah pretty much um so me and Tia then decided
Character Optimization vs. Storytelling
00:09:55
Speaker
to declare everyone as gods of that country and we asked for uh daily sacrifices so basically we me and Tia had unlimited food um
00:10:07
Speaker
We'd wake up with a skinned rat every morning. It was great fun. Yeah, unlimited food. I thought... So, Yuan told us at some point we'd end up in there, and we were like, cool, it's gonna be a while, right? Like, this won't happen soon. No, it happened last session. We are there currently to help with this holy walk. Yeah? Yeah, pretty much. So you were saved at the moment before death by their priests?
00:10:36
Speaker
You were teleported to a temple in Romania and that is the first introduction everyone else had to the knowledge that they were deities in this sort of bag world. Yes, yes. You were you were made by a roomful of praying rats worshipping you as the Divine.
00:10:54
Speaker
Yeah. I thought it's hilarious. Me and Tyr. Honestly, I've said this so many times. This is my favorite interaction ever. Full stop. That's happened in the whole campaign. Bear in mind, so up until maybe November, I'd never been in
00:11:14
Speaker
the whispers channel uh because yeah because dan has no secrets okay dan is an open book full stop even when i had ended up in the whisper room for praying to a god and getting them to talk back i did say everything that happened everything you were told yeah yes we was just told to without even a second thought just immediately out with everything i got asked and just said everything right so up until that point dan's never had his own secret um
00:11:44
Speaker
And then I was told, I found it amazing. And Tyr said, we shouldn't tell anyone. So I said, fuck it. We're not telling shit. But they figured it out because in my head, Dan's really bad at keeping secrets. So he just openly talked about it, but he didn't specifically say what it was. So Rosie figured it out. She said,
Combat Dynamics and Player Agency
00:12:09
Speaker
oh, are you guys just gods of rats or something? And I was like, yes. In my head, I was like, we are. But I can't tell you.
00:12:14
Speaker
Um, so then I just talk about it in normal chat. Like, I'll just be like, Oh, check the rat pack. Is there anything there? And then, and then you're like, uh, we wrote a dice, uh, to listen to it. And then you said you heard like battle sounds. I was like, yeah, this is, uh, I don't know how long I'm going to be able to keep the secret up. Um, yeah, it was a big one. It was a big one. It was great. You're going to be in a few short episodes.
00:12:41
Speaker
yeah sessions in vermania just chilling just doing some things yeah it should be um interesting it's uh one way to put it yeah yeah maybe maybe someone is getting a level up i think tier
00:12:58
Speaker
uh yeah oh 100% because you said you wanted everyone's like backstories to go into their level up right so yes he's been getting a lot of backstory work recently 100 i think it's here it's gotta be right okay he's he's got the new purple he's got the dog and he's got the purple wings now i think it's here um i might do you
00:13:18
Speaker
see by a goliath rat see that'd be fun yeah but i don't think it's me i think i will be like one of the last it might be it might be it might be finan it might be you know it might be there's a lot of people it could be anyone yeah clarett could be in guard now true could be anyone yeah um i'm still calling it i still think it's there like 95 i think it's here five percent is norfolk really i don't think it would be me or finan like i'm quite sure it won't be me or finan
00:13:46
Speaker
that's interesting yeah maybe this is bizarre psychology so you get you can make me like you could be um but you did say that we there would be a level up before like one or two of us will get a level three before i start mine my campaign i think i think yeah yeah
00:14:04
Speaker
Yeah, honestly, the speed, I'm happy we're in Romania now,
Multiclassing and Homebrew Rules
00:14:08
Speaker
the speed at which we were going through the goblins just then, had me nervous, because I was like, shit. Yeah, I've kind of just cut back on the preparation.
00:14:18
Speaker
I was going to say, we've not really spoken about world building and that sort of thing for a while, so where are you at? Because I've not asked you like... Honestly, I haven't even... I basically haven't done anything in a month, right? Okay. Which is like, ah! It's like a whole month, no. Honestly, I've been... No, I mean, I went through phases of that. Yeah, it's more, A, like, there's problems with my computer, so that doesn't help.
00:14:43
Speaker
I did the smart thing and uploaded all my files onto USB just in case. Wonderful. Good idea. Yeah. And B, I've just been like moderately busy and doing things to not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I've just kind of not, but I've, so Tyr sent me his backstory to call him Mike. Mike sent me his backstory. Mike sent me bits of it.
00:15:10
Speaker
Yeah, he sent me his full pirate backstory, the whole thing, the whole Shabam, when I was on holiday. And I read the whole thing on holiday. Literally the minute he sent it, I was sat in my room. And I just went, fuck it, I'm gonna read it.
00:15:26
Speaker
Amazing firstly. Yeah. Yeah. No, I've I've just gotten tears back story. It's seven pages and it's incredible. I know it's pretty crazy He is insanely gonna write a backstory. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like I was right reading book I was like, what the fuck this is a it's very impressive. Yeah, shout out Mike Yeah, honestly, he did so much work for me Like I was just like look you you can write whatever you want. You could put whatever you want in and
00:15:52
Speaker
I don't care. And he well built like some of my fucking game for me. So it's like, thank you. That is like the world building guys. Exactly. As vague as possible for you. That's actually all I do. Yeah. So yeah.
00:16:12
Speaker
Honestly, it was really good, really fun. And I was honestly, I was so really excited when he sent me his back to me. I was like, yeah, let's, my campaign's gonna be this year. I was like, shit. It also made me realize, Michael's basically finished his character and stuff now. He's done. He's nothing else to do. He's done his subclass. I'm not considered what I'm doing yet. He says I'm focusing on like running at the minute and once,
Narrative Coherence and Player Engagement
00:16:41
Speaker
dip, like get to the end. I think it will only take me like a week to work things out. Yeah, I was gonna say it won't take long. Basically, everyone's finished. I just need backstories and I could get a backstory. As I said before, Archon's not going to be story, like there will be backstory elements, but it's just about you lot traveling.
00:17:02
Speaker
So, like, you guys could drop me a backstory, like, at the end of ARK1, and I wouldn't be fast. Oh, okay, cool. Like, you guys can take your time, and you can also write as much as you want, because I will read the whole thing, and I will. I will make stuff for it. Yeah. Don't tell me that. No, I'm fond of it, because I enjoy lore dumping and lore diving, right? So, this backstory is just lore, right? So, I will just sit there and read the whole thing, like, the second you send it to me.
00:17:32
Speaker
um yeah he also um he produced a hero forge for the the second character i want you some you want to make for the ship um which is cool uh and a bit of backstory for her but like she's interlinked with his story so it's fine um yes and the class and the sub car he basically just gave me the whole character i was like sure that works yeah um it's not like you guys are gonna yeah
00:18:00
Speaker
I mean, you guys won't really use them. I decided that the only time you will use them is
00:18:07
Speaker
obviously ship combat because they're there specifically for the ship. Or if you want to do like, if you want them to come off the ship, they can come off the ship, but they will never be on combat in land, like in combat on land. Yeah, no, I think that's fair. We can't make you run like 12 characters in combat. Yeah, they'll just be there for like role playing. Like if you want to go into town and you want that person to accompany you, that's fine.
00:18:32
Speaker
go ahead, they will just be there for role-playing. They might be in like a hands-on combat thing, not on land, maybe on the ship, but it won't happen often. And the ship combat stuff, they won't have their own personal times. They'll just be like, you know, tell them where to go. And then they'll man a station. Like, they only, once again, the only reason I made you not make them is because it makes sense that like six people can't run a ship by themselves, right?
00:19:00
Speaker
Out of interest, this is just like, templatly hypothetical. If I wanted to make my old lady designated NPC...
00:19:07
Speaker
Pet pig that she has yeah that has some kind of magical item that increases its intelligence or is a practical NPC Yes, I'll be okay. Yes, you can have a Wonderful a band of intelligence whoever is called the um the thing they were Yeah, no, that's fine. Any angle. Let me see could be anything It just it just needs to have I'm it might just be a huge sale with a headband of intelligence. That's fine That's fine. Yeah, it can be the cook if you want and
00:19:36
Speaker
I was going to look at the captain, but sure. Yeah, no, it's fine. Honestly, NPCs can be anything. I don't care. Yeah. Yeah. You just have to thoroughly describe how you want me to play your NPC so I can play. Yeah. Yeah. Just squeak. Yeah. Problem solved. Yeah. There you go. So yeah, I honestly, but yeah, for the past month, I haven't done much. I've thought about a lot, right?
00:20:03
Speaker
like of what I'm going to do. I just haven't done anything. But we'll get to that. We'll work our way up. Have you thought about your, I think,
00:20:20
Speaker
very difficult to word this without making it sound like the sort of Brennan Lee Mulligan effect, the Matt Mercer effect, that kind of thing. But I think everyone who DMs just kind of gravitate towards, you know, you see someone DM me like, oh, I like their style of doing things, so you sort of gravitate towards that. Do you have an idea of whose style you kind of would, I guess in a way, emulate, or who do you think you'd lean towards? Ooh, that's a difficult question.
00:20:47
Speaker
It was a very difficult question. It's a good one as well. Honestly, I don't know. In a perfect world, I would be Brennan. Like in a perfect world.
00:20:59
Speaker
Absolutely. I'd be Brennan, right? Yeah, absolutely without question. Yeah even like or Matt like Yeah, um, sadly not a voice actor and I'm bad at voices. Um, well, I still do that Yes, that's not the point though. They'll just be horrible. It's just horrible voices. I just don't try
00:21:25
Speaker
And it only will happen for a few characters anyway. Start recurring ones. Like Boblin. Like Boblin. And you're lots of NPCs. Wonderful. Yeah. But I would like it to have the shenanigans that happens in Dimension 20, right? Yeah. I don't plan on this being incredibly serious.
00:21:53
Speaker
A, because I know how everyone is. B, because the first arc is just traveling. You don't goof the fuck around in the first arc. Second arc as well, right? Later on, it will get serious, right? But that's fine, because it will be a whole build up with your characters. You'll be fine. At the start, I don't care. Do what you want. It will help me relax. And then we can get serious stuff. But I would like the
00:22:22
Speaker
What I want is for people to be attached to their characters, right? Yes. Like we are in your campaign. That's the importance. I just want people to be really attached to their characters. Yeah, I get what you mean. Cultivating that can... I don't know. It can be... It's a good feeling at a DM when you see your play that attach to their characters and that attach and I invested in the story. It really is great.
00:22:52
Speaker
that, yeah, something like that. So the thing is as well, I'm bad at writing, well, I'm bad at writing, full stop, right? Shit in English, like creativity and stuff, whatever, story. I mean, I would say the same about myself. Horrendous, right? Like I can't do like big, well-written stories and whatever, right? So in terms of big plot twists and stuff, don't expect anything insane.
00:23:23
Speaker
There won't be some crazy-ass plot twist. Yeah, that's true for me as well. I've not got any huge plot twists. Everything you have been able to... It's really straightforward. Yeah. Making it convoluted is what I've done. That was my change for having plot twists. Making it as complicated as you physically can. There will be riddles and puzzles.
00:23:52
Speaker
Oh good, yeah. A decent amount. I think that is one thing that I will do quite a decent amount because I enjoy them personally. I play like, even like regardless of like riddles and stuff, I do like... Last year I played like 3000 games of chess, right? Like chess. I do like Sudoku every day.
00:24:17
Speaker
Oh wow, okay. Yeah. I've got like downstairs, I've got like puzzle stuff. You know, the, the fancy puzzles that Chris Ramsey does. Yes. Yeah. I've got stuff like that. I love puzzles, man. Puzzles the shit. I love it. That's really cool. Yeah. I love puzzles and I love riddles. I find it really interesting. Like I love escape rooms. I love all that shit, right? I love an escape room. It's relaxing as fuck. Yeah. And you know what it is? I'm actually good at them. That's why I love them. Cause I can do them well. If you go to, if you go to older shop, no.
00:24:46
Speaker
not Aldershot, somewhere down there. I'll confirm and I will tell you next week. Me and my friendship group are on the board. No way. On the board for the Atlantis one. Me and my friends made... Go there and beat our fucking time, Alex. I dare you. I will. No, me and my friends made it on, there's one in Plymouth. We made it onto the monthly top scores for a submarine one, which is pretty cool. Oh, out of the submarine one.
00:25:16
Speaker
Oh, was it? Oh, that's nice. It was like a Captain Cook thing or something. Oh no, ours wasn't... Freestyle then Leaked into the Sea or something like that.
00:25:24
Speaker
Oh, that's pretty cool, yeah. Captain Nemo, even, not Captain Cook. I was going to say. I'm a bit confused, Captain Cook. Someone very different. Yes. Yeah, no, but they don't do escape rooms or stuff like that. Yeah. So there will be stuff like that, especially because it's pirates as well. You can't have pirates without riddles and puzzles. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:25:48
Speaker
Yeah, it should be, so the first arc will be really piratey as well. Obviously it's a pirate campaign, but I mean like pushing on the pirates, less of the gods.
00:26:00
Speaker
because obviously there's a big separate between Greek gods and like pirates, right? Like pirates don't have gods, hence choosing Greek gods. It was either Greek gods or Norse gods. And I would have chosen Norse gods, but the new Percy Jackson live action just gotten out. So I was like, oh, we're going with Greek ones. Honestly, that is the deciding factor.
00:26:21
Speaker
I enjoyed it. It was good. I thought it was good. I thought it was really good as well. And that is what decided the Greek gods for your campaign. So yeah, don't be wrong. I know a lot about Norse gods as well, but I do prefer Greek gods. I prefer Greek as well. Yeah. So the first arc will be very piracy. Second arc will be a split and then split for the rest of it. But first arc will be mainly Yulok and shenanigans. So we'll see. We'll see. Should be good.
00:26:51
Speaker
I guess now would be a time where we would go into sort of our homebrew rule, but I've struggled to find one that, I guess it's, I guess I gotta pigeon-hold myself with this little segment into like, there are only so many rules that have become so frequent that they've become sort of core rules. But, so one of Wednesday group is gonna be dimming for their first time, so they've been messing with me a lot for advice. And they asked me something that,
00:27:20
Speaker
I thought it would be worth talking about, because I think it gets lost a lot. You get a lot of questions in D&D from new DMs, and I guess DMs in general, who will kind of be like, how do I communicate this to my players? Or how do I tell them I want them to do this? Just tell them. I think people forget that D&D is just a game, and you can just communicate with your players. Hi, like just, this is what I want you to do. If you just do this, then you'll have this at the end.
00:27:48
Speaker
If you really want them to happen and you need it to happen, just tell them. I think that simplifies so many things than basically a convoluted way and kind of railroad them into doing it. Just tell them, just communicate. Yeah, yeah, 100%. Yeah, communication is important. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, I think as well, when it comes to just telling them, obviously,
00:28:18
Speaker
there's like the aspect of, if it's a secret, text them. Or make a Whiskers channel. Oh, yes. Yeah. Yes. Because I feel like people forget that as well, because certainly for... So your campaign was the first time I ever had a channel for secrets, right? Really? Like a Whiskers channel. Yeah. And some people don't like it. Yeah, before it'd either just get texted or...
00:28:45
Speaker
They'd just say it because it might not have been too serious secret. Yours is the first one with whispers, which I like. I think the reason I made the channel was being dyslexic. I hate typing and I can't articulate myself well through writing. So it's easier for me to be like, I'll tell you it. I'll just tell. I'll speak it because I can word it better. I think it helped immersion as well.
00:29:10
Speaker
No, I agree. It makes it the role-playing bar. Yeah. I would prefer to speak. Obviously, I said in mind I'm going to be texting people about what they've got to say, because there's going to be more often. Yeah. So it's just easy, right? But no, I still have a whispers in mind, or secrets is what mine's called or something. Yeah. I like it. It's fun.
00:29:39
Speaker
I don't see a reason for that not to be, basically. Yeah. No. It's enjoyable. Yeah. I mean, I understand not liking the whole secrets of the party thing. I do understand that, but I don't know. I think it's fun. I really enjoy it. Yeah. No, it does depend on the party as well. Oh, yeah. No, 100%. Yeah, definitely. It's definitely sort of not party is in.
00:30:02
Speaker
Character-wise I think people like it very much matters who you have sat at the table Yeah, you can do a if you can do a secret kind of stuff. Yeah, I think it takes some level of maturity as well Yeah, yeah, I'd say so Yeah, yeah, no hundred percent You've got to have that separation. Yeah between that is game and this is D&D. Yeah, pretty much. No, no, I do agree
00:30:33
Speaker
But it does make things better. And then, like, everyone either, when you guys go to whispers, it's either we stay in character and just waffle, or we just talk about things that you could be talking about on whispers, which is that more often. Yeah, I know. Oh, yeah. It's more interesting, like that. But yeah, so what do you think
00:31:04
Speaker
How long is this, so how long are we gonna be in Virginia, do you think, Romania? If you need more time, it can be longer than I had planned. Nice, nice. See, I reckon, what, I reckon it's gonna be like four or five sessions, maybe? Probably less than that, I was thinking like two or three.
00:31:24
Speaker
Okay, cool. Yeah, cuz it's it's not the main part is it we're not doing the main part of me No, no, you're not you're not doing the main part now. The main poll will come later. Yeah, we're just doing a a bit of it Yeah Yeah, which is cool. I'm fine with that and then I'm guessing the mania get you guys some of you may be leveled up Yeah, and then yeah spit you back out back to the goblins. I'm guessing unless I'm
00:31:52
Speaker
Unless you have other plans for us, because I feel like if we just go straight for the goblins. That might have been. In my head, right, like mathematically, obviously I'm not used, I can't tell. But in my head, I was expecting like two or three people to be level three when we finished all the goblins. And then everyone else to get after we come back during that second arc, because so I think
00:32:22
Speaker
logic-wise, I think the only people who can get it from what I can tell from people's backstories, right, is Tyr at the moment. In Virginia. Not in Virginia, just, well, wherever. I feel like Northine could. I feel like she could. And I feel like
00:32:47
Speaker
Finan as well. Okay. Interesting. Like either Finan or Astra, but Finan's from this continent, right? Finan is from this region and so is Astra. Finan is not from this region, actually. Finan is from... Knighttown. Yes, Vamor. Vamor, yeah. So Finan and Astra are from this like region. Like, because that's like region, obviously I don't know their backstory, so I don't know how important where they're born is to their backstories in their subclass, obviously.
00:33:16
Speaker
But in my head it's like, that's how those lot work. Because mine doesn't make sense. As much as I've complained relatively about not getting level 3, it wouldn't make sense for me to get level 3 where we are currently. Unless you have something else planned. Because in my head, more than likely,
00:33:40
Speaker
it's going to be either when we make it to Okra or we make it somewhere where the Goliath trading company or whatever you've called it is, right? And I don't think that will happen in Okra. I will tell you this, going into act two, to act two, everyone will be level three. Okay.
00:34:04
Speaker
Okay. Nice. Okay. Does that make you feel better? That does. Yeah. Yeah. I think if I left you, everyone would be like level three or four and you'd be still level two as you moved your way down to Okra. Yeah. That's, that's the thing. That's, that was my logic. He's like, Okra is a bit far, but at the same point in time,
00:34:26
Speaker
we could just, like, end up there. Like, well, I say we could, we will end up there at some point. We're not going to end up there, right? Like, it's just a part of the map, we will get there. No, I think- Yeah. I mean, I'll tell you what Arc 2, not Arc 2, Arc 2 will be. Arc 2 will be just you guys, sort of, travelling about- Yeah. Doing adventure and shit. Yeah. You'll just be tying up, like, loose ends, like, story-wise. Like, obviously, there'll be some unanswered questions after Arc 1.
00:34:55
Speaker
But Ark 2 is really just you guys getting to sort of a sandbox, explore the world for, I want to say, three levels. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that sounds good. Yeah, honestly, yeah, in my head, I was like, I'm going to be one of the last. I still think that sounds true. I still think I will be one of the last to get level three. Also, for balancing purposes, because
00:35:19
Speaker
I have 24 hit points and an AC of 20, right? When people level up, some of them will still have less hit points than me. Yes. Yeah, yeah. So my head is just like, if I was to get level three right now, I would have 36 HP. Is it 36? It is 36. I'd have 36 HP and an AC of 20 and the cool abilities I've put in my subclass for level three, which would put me
00:35:44
Speaker
Comeback wise ahead of the whole party by quite a bit because already now do I deal
00:35:52
Speaker
insane amounts of damage. Not the most. You can do. Astra does. You can. Astra? Yeah. Ridiculous. You roll stupidly well on the dive. Yes. Almost unfairly well on the dive. Yeah, and the fingers as well. And you're listening. You can roll them fairly. Oh. Very high. Yeah, it's great. Not for you, for us. And because she gets two attacks, three attacks, she's flaring her blows. Her damage output, like, it's just monks at the start. Their damage output's pretty good.
00:36:20
Speaker
Um, like she'll, she'll do more damage tier is probably about the same as me. Um, the others less because, you know, that it's, it's a, it's a bard and a cleric. Like, what do you expect? But I think I, I, if, if I was level three, I could easily do a significant amount more damage in one turn than everyone else because like second wind, the stuff I've got for level three, um,
00:36:49
Speaker
Yeah, and I think what I'm going to do in the future, though, is maybe I'm thinking about this at level four when we get feats or attributes. Honestly, I don't see myself taking an attribute upgrade, ever. Just full stop. I don't see myself taking an attribute upgrade with Dan at all, all the way through the levels. I don't blame you. I think... Yeah, I think his stats are perfect for him.
00:37:17
Speaker
I think his dad's a perfect character-wise for Dan. Obviously, you could optimize him to be much better. Oh, of course. He could put more on Khan, but it's not fun. Easily. Easily. I probably think that makes sense to Dan's character. Don't get me wrong, I could easily put plus 10 to Khan straight away, have 20 constitution, and then...
00:37:35
Speaker
be fuck it, like have all the health in the world and be an absolute tank and be great. Fuck that. I'm taking feats, feats are more interesting. And honestly- Oh, absolutely. I fully agree with that. Yeah. So what I've been thinking about though is taking dual weapon fighting at level four and dropping my shields. So I'll lose two in DC.
00:38:00
Speaker
DC AC right so that's still 18 and that can still go very good, right so Not fast and then I would have two weapons Which is cool because I will have two weapons like Yeah, that's the thing and then I can like that's two attacks a turn that's a lot of damage also I feel like Dan would be the type of person to carry around two axes and
00:38:27
Speaker
memory of cousin viking yeah exactly and i feel like when people think of dan they don't think of his shield because i don't use it no right like i don't talk about it like i've used it like once or twice as an attack since the campaign started right like if if you talk about dan you'd think of a tall guy with armor and like a weapon right like the shield just wouldn't be there so i'm thinking about what you think of yeah exactly
00:38:52
Speaker
i'm thinking about dropping it uh dropping the ac um yeah i'll take more damage but i still have more health than everyone um and more time than not you roll above 20 anyways it doesn't really make a difference um yeah yeah so i feel like i might take that level four or it will be a different feat like uh tavern brawler is one that i i is on my list to take i i given
00:39:21
Speaker
the context of Dan's back story and the connection which allows God to be toxicant, I think that makes sense. And given how I play as well, I feel like Tavern Brawler would be so helpful. It really does make sense. Yeah, Tavern Brawler dual weapon fighting.
00:39:39
Speaker
There's the Relentless Attack or Savage Tortaleo, or whatever it's called, Savage Attack or something like that. Which is, you roll twice, your damage dies. That's the Baldur's Gate one, it's different, I think. Or is it the same?
00:39:54
Speaker
I honestly don't know, but it is a good one. Um, there's also tough, which is like cool. It's just more hit points. And I feel like he's always a good one. Yeah. Lucky as well. Lucky's quite good. Lucky's cool. Yeah. But I see, I don't think Dan's lucky. So I just wouldn't take it. Here's a question. Would you ever multi-class with Dan?
00:40:16
Speaker
I would, and I thought about it. I have actually thought about this. That's really cool. Is it barbarian? No. In fact, that's not barbarian. I've never, ever multi-classed this as a barbarian. Okay, hang on. Before you say who it is, I want to try and get a few more times. Yeah. Okay. Just to help, or this won't help, it won't be based off its stats. I won't multi-class to help
00:40:44
Speaker
No, I know. And that's why I've got a rogue in my head. Oh, being a rogue would be amazing. Man, thank you, Smith. Damn being a rogue would be amazing. I also think Artysophur could be a good one for Dan. I feel like he's got that idea in his head that he's good at stuff. Yeah. But also Wizard. It's, yeah. I don't, I, you know what, you might get this. I don't know. I don't, there's so many good options.
00:41:11
Speaker
good bad option for dan depending how the campaign plays out for dan right with all the stuff he's doing uh there's like three uh in my head so um paladin paladin or cleric right because of the religion stuff
00:41:34
Speaker
though i know we have a paladin and a cleric but it would be like a level or two right because of the religion stuff um yeah yeah that was like my first thoughts getting in was like cool i could do that um is it likely maybe we have a paladin and a cleric and dan might just mean like it will mean i get proficiency and religion at some point we should be cool
00:42:01
Speaker
Um, but that's still going to be shit because I still have a minus one in it at the moment. So it's not going to be any, it's not going to be amazing. Um, Bard makes sense. Bard makes sense. For the deception, Bard, uh, for like, uh, charisma stuff, like, uh, persuasion, deception, intimidation, um, being a trader might be important to have. Um,
00:42:31
Speaker
And then, so I wouldn't, the classes I wouldn't is, is barbarian druid rogue.
00:42:39
Speaker
I wouldn't do for Dan. A, Druid makes sense. I would never ever do Druid with Dan. It doesn't fit his character. I feel like everyone in the campaign who will listen to this and be like, oh, you're not going to might pass the barbarian. It's really confusing because he basically is one, right? And Dan having rage would be sick.
00:43:07
Speaker
Dan doesn't get angry at people yeah like don't get me wrong in combat having Dan's stats his subclass for fire and having rage would make him unbelievable but he doesn't get angry at people he's also had that military training yeah where he would have we would have been almost moved out of him to lose focus in battle i mean he trained to be a knight
00:43:31
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. And I wouldn't do, role playing wise, in rage. You don't just like, you're raging, right? So I wouldn't be able to do all that fancy ass shit that I try to come up with.
00:43:44
Speaker
It just doesn't make sense to me, so I'd never go to Barbarian. As cool as it would be, I just couldn't. Also, Barbarians get unarmored armor, unarmored defense, even. Dan never takes off his armor. What's the point? That's true. He sleeps in it, he doesn't take it off, right? So there's no point. Yeah, we'll never do Barbarian. Rogue?
00:44:07
Speaker
is interesting. Dan does think he's sneaky, and you do get proficiency in deception, and Slut can't get out. Yeah, so he does actually have a plus three index. However, his armor always puts him at disadvantage. So it makes it useless, right? You could make it like a plus seven, though.
00:44:28
Speaker
yeah that's the thing like it could go up like really big and then he'll be like he will actually be good at seeking right um but bad yeah good but bad but i just i just couldn't i'd like if i had i just couldn't i couldn't put down as a rogue it'd be funny if i just could yeah uh i have actually
00:44:49
Speaker
As shits and giggles thought about doing a casting class like Warlock or something, and the premise being Dan accidentally gets into a pact with... That would be funny. That would be really funny. Because he does tend to pray to people.
00:45:10
Speaker
That's true, Dan does do a lot of praying for no reason. So that would be something which I would entertain. If it got like, if it somehow ended up getting close to that, I'd just be like, you know what? Let me take a level in Warlock and we can do that. Because he'd be shit. He'd be an awful caster. Yeah. I feel like Dan does the kind of praying where he opens the cosmic void and goes, hello, anybody want to share? Dan guesses.
00:45:37
Speaker
Anything to respond Dan guesses many times on many occasions have I thought about praying to another God? the only reason I'm constantly playing to a lance is because alcohol but like At some point I will pray to someone else like he will just pray because he's been told to No other reason right so
00:45:58
Speaker
warlock is is like a top four top three class that i would subclass like a multi-class name with because yeah he's got a plus zero charisma right like his his spells aren't gonna be amazing um but like imagine dan eldritch blasting someone it's just a bosh you can oh what's the one where you drag them towards you because i'm doing that elder platform and then pull them towards you yeah and the next
00:46:26
Speaker
decapitating them would be amazing. Exactly, yeah, 100%. Yeah, so I thought about doing that with Dan. Obviously, yeah, I've talked about Cleric and Paladin. Sorcerer, no, because, well, actually, so it's in my backstory that his mum was a caster. Okay. Well, I think I did say that, didn't I? Yeah. Yeah, I'm pretty sure if it's not, I do now know. Yeah.
00:46:57
Speaker
So he could be a sorcerer, but I also specifically stated that Dan is too... And I know sorcerers is all bloodlines. You don't have to be smart. You've just got to be charismatic or whatever. But I have specifically stated Dan was too stupid to learn magic. So like he wouldn't be a sorcerer or a wizard. So wild magic sorcerer. See, that could work. That'd be insane because it would bring a lot of chaos. More so than it really has. It really would. Yeah. Absolutely Dan wouldn't be a wizard.
00:47:29
Speaker
But I have like, I keep seeing these like TikToks and stuff about people making like a wizard class where it's like, oh.
00:47:38
Speaker
you're actually a sorcerer, but you think you're a wizard. So you just write a bunch of gibberish in a book. Like your backstories, you went to school, you didn't understand anything. You didn't use the words properly. You wrote a bunch of gibberish, but it still works. And you stump your professors every single time. That's funny. I really like that. I feel like Dan could just pull something off like that. Like it's such a damn thing. Damn, that's prime dynamic. Yeah. But no, I wouldn't say wizard.
00:48:07
Speaker
Ranges are an interesting one Yeah, because now the thing is Dan is very close range he does have crossbow though. Do I use it much? No, I Don't but like he could and then he could do a The Beast tamer subclass or Drake and warden
00:48:35
Speaker
because Dan likes dragons. Imagine Dan with a little pseudo dragon, like on his shoulder. Well, it's not a pseudo dragon, it's like a baby dragon. Yeah, I think level seven is when you ride them, level three is like
00:48:56
Speaker
12 hit point one or something because i had it on my other yeah my my first uh my first character i had oh yes you did yeah yeah yeah um and dan having a dragon would be so cool um dan would love that uh someone in wendy's campaign has a pseudo dragon which i think they've forgotten about oh uh dan can never because dan does it it is just still there i think it's called ember
00:49:25
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like Dan could do Ranger just for the pets because dad loves pets and he would love to talk to pets likes if Dan had speak with animals
00:49:37
Speaker
he would just get lost speaking to animals. Please don't get to speak with animals because that troubles the amount of NPCs that I've got to be prepared for Dan to interact with. But Dan wouldn't speak to people anymore. Dan would only speak to pets. Yes. Yeah. Dan would become the king of pets. Like, he would have his own empire. That's true. And it's such a damn thing. So that's the thing. I've thought about what you're casting a lot. And I think I will.
00:50:07
Speaker
There's more chance I will than I won't. Because don't be wrong, I loved making my subclass and I loved the whole thing, right? And it would be great if I can get far through it. But there's only a certain part I want to get to and then I could give a shit about the rest of it, right? I want that climbing movement speed. That's all I want. I need it so much. I'm gonna say seven.
00:50:34
Speaker
um okay we can we can take that down that's not too bad yeah exactly like i know because this is it's part of another thing isn't it i think it's either seven or
00:50:43
Speaker
like 12. Either way, I just want to get there because a like it's it's what it's you get climbing double your movement speed and you have advantage on the checks. Yeah, yeah, I would just climb up everything. Yeah. Which is if Dan died, that will tell him that wouldn't it? It would. It would be a real big shame. And then like, it would
00:51:11
Speaker
Dan likes climbing. Yeah, Dan likes climbing things. It would just be nice to have like for role playing and for combat stuff. Right. Dan would basically be a spider. But yeah, I just want to get that. Yeah. And I'm not too fast about the rest of it. Like obviously I will progress it maybe to the next next level set of stuff. But yeah, honestly, after talking about being a ranger, it's up there now. Like Beast Tamer as Dan would be so fun.
00:51:40
Speaker
I kind of like it for Dan. Obviously he has no wisdom. I think it would work. Spells wouldn't really work. It would be a good Ranger. Yeah, but also I would have Hunter's Mark. That's terrifying actually. Yeah, but okay. Yeah, I'm getting scared. So we're gonna move on. Yeah. Well, I'm seeing... Yeah, gone. I'm seeing a lot more people recently online talking about, I don't know if...
00:52:09
Speaker
people listening will remember when you talked about combat and how you want to run that for ship combat yes yes in that you have PC turn then enemy turn mm-hmm I've seen more and more people talking about doing that in just general combat I've I've heard that yeah and I have thoughts on it I have mixed feelings about something like that I'm not a fan of it personally I think the
00:52:36
Speaker
I think in a way, it can also take away player agency. Because you do lose your turn. And if you're not close with the paid table, you could get pushed to the side. I think it does have some room for that. I would feel comfortable running it for you guys. Because I think you guys get along well enough that it will be fine. I think other groups of mine, Friday especially, they don't know each other too well. We've only been
00:53:05
Speaker
playing since like October. Maybe like in a couple of months when they're sort of closer, I'd feel more comfortable running it. Wednesday would probably be fine, but some of them are sort of newer, more inexperienced players. So like, it could get confusing for them. I don't like it. I don't like it. Yeah. So the good thing about this, and I've always thought about this, is
00:53:31
Speaker
like regardless of, obviously, you know, I do a lot of weird things in combat, like non-traditional combat things. Absolutely 100%. If it went enemy turn than R turn, I absolutely 100% would start doing combo attacks. Because you can't do that in turn-based, in just regular, regular initiative, right? They're like, we've tried.
00:53:54
Speaker
Like for me to do something on my turn and I would wait like how many turns and T would have to do it as well, like help. We tried, we thought about it, right? It's not amazing. If it weren't like enemies and good guys or like enemies and us, whatever, it'd be very easy to do combo attacks, which would be great fun. It would, it really would. It should be great fun. However, the same point in time, A, whatever we can do, they can do, and B,
00:54:24
Speaker
it would get kind of messy like not the the combo attacks it's just combat would get messy because i think so everyone's going at once right like it just so much shit would happen like at the same point in time as well if let's say the the enemies go first uh easily somebody could be dropped straight to zero hit points and then yes just miss everything like yeah
00:54:48
Speaker
let's say I'm sat at the front because I am Dan, easily they could all just hit him and then he goes to zero hit points and then that's it. I think the negatives outweigh the positives on having a full round of enemies and a full round of us. Yeah, absolutely. Going back to your point there about N taking out, I
00:55:11
Speaker
I do something I do for most encounters when it comes to that sort of question is I will roll an intelligence check for the creature to see. Are they smart enough in this moment to do, like I know taking out the cleric when they're on low hit points or doing some kind of move that stops Norfolk being able to heal you guys. Like I know that's a good move, but do they? So if immediately combat started and they were all like, let's kill the fucking cleric because they've rolled high on them and nothing's gone, you're not healing.
00:55:41
Speaker
and then they just start picking off like Astra, has a relatively low AC, very high damage output, but lower AC, take out Astra, and then just slug out with you and Dan, or like you and you and Tyr. Yeah, pretty much. No, I agree. I roll Intelligence for me, for Dan as well, actually. Yeah, I think it's a fun, what's the word?
00:56:03
Speaker
I can't think of the word. Never mind, move on. It's a fun idea. We'll go with idea. Yeah, I agree. No, it also helps me decide because as much as I know perfectly how to play Dan being my character, there will still be slight bias to what I want to do personally as opposed to what Dan would want to do, right?
00:56:22
Speaker
My logic for all the weird fancy shit he does in combat is the fact that he's been fighting people for like 20 years, right? So yeah, like that's just second nature to him. And he doesn't have to be smart to do stuff like that, right? So that's my logic for that. But if there's something like, oh,
00:56:42
Speaker
I don't find a healer killer healer. I will roll intelligence check because Dan doesn't care What their class is more time than not he just cares about killing things. Yeah, so yeah That's that's my logic for Dan Okay, but yeah, yeah, I know It's a bit very good a little bit something. I've just thought of hearing you say that was he saying that you do fun things in combat I Guess you can apply that same logic to sort of this. I guess my
00:57:10
Speaker
Also my reservations about it is, maybe I'm not confident enough in my ability as a DM to run something like that. But I guess for a newer DM, what you do in combat, they wouldn't allow because they aren't confident enough in their abilities to run it. So I guess in that same idea, maybe it's just I'm not experienced. I don't feel like I'm experienced enough to run it. And something, I don't know.
00:57:34
Speaker
Yeah, I can see the merits of it and if it works for your table, absolutely. Oh, yeah. It's just not something that I think I would ever want to run. Yeah. The only time I run it is ship combat. And that's because it's a ship. I think that makes sense. Yeah. And it's not like the characters of the ship are actually being hit by the other characters on the other ship. It's the ship hitting the ship. You're just preparing the ship to do something, right? That's
00:58:03
Speaker
That's the logic. Also, turns on the ship are going to be longer, because it takes longer to do things on a ship, right? It's not going to be six seconds, but we have to load a fucking cannon, fire the cannon, run the entire length of the deck, put the sails up, put the sails down. The turns are going to be longer. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, so I'm going to circle back, actually. Oh, right, OK. So we obviously were talking about, you asked me if Dan would multi-class, and we talked about him. Do you think anyone else in our group will?
00:58:33
Speaker
Do you think anyone else will multi-class? I know someone else will. I think so. I only know of one person. So I think if I talk about other people who I think we're going to disclose that, who that person is. So I'm not going to say anything. Okay. I think Tyr will. I think Tyr will multi-class.
00:58:57
Speaker
So he'll have high charisma, but he won't go for a casting. I think he'll multi-class into fire or something just for the second wind. Like just not even like backstory related, like he just might want second wind. Or second wind and actually surge, right? Because they're cool.
00:59:16
Speaker
maybe, I think he would be inclined to. Fyndan has mentioned wanting to multi-class I think. Yes, I think. I think Bard is a good one to multi-class with. I think Bard is the easiest to multi-class with because you can't have any college that just works for every single thing and then you can just multi-class into it. Like it's very easy to multi-class with Bard.
00:59:38
Speaker
I think it's a good move as well to multicast away from Bard. We don't have a Warlock, but Warlock. But yeah, back to who you think Tyr. Tyr will be a Marshal class, I think. It will be Fighter or Barbarian. I can see Tyr using Rage. I really can.
01:00:02
Speaker
I also can. I can see him getting healed by morphine and then raging. I can just see it. That'll be so interesting. It would. That would be really fun. That'd be a fun mechanic to play with. That would be, yeah. So 100% I can see something like that. I think Astra might.
01:00:29
Speaker
okay that one's iffy i don't know enough of her backstory to claim that she will uh when i say enough i don't know any of it um but if she were to it would be um i don't think she'd go for casting
01:00:46
Speaker
couldn't see her maybe warlock has a push i don't know relations to god's fur so i couldn't tell you doesn't like casters yeah uh yeah no that's true yeah we uh well i talked about that before that so i reckon i can ranger i could see us we're doing ranger i could see firstly ranger monk class likes
01:01:07
Speaker
multi-classes are the best. I love them. It was literally my first character. It was a range among multi-class. So you're biased there, okay? I am biased there. Very cool. But like easily, A, Astra has
01:01:24
Speaker
some personality traits that would be similar to Dan. So if she was to have Beast Master as well, Beast Tamer, she would love that, because pets. True, true. She wouldn't do Drake and Warden. I could see her doing something like, there's the, oh, what's the class called? The subclass, I can't remember it now. What is it? There's one which is specifically good for tracking things.
01:01:54
Speaker
Scout. Scout? She might do that. I think it's Scout. Because I feel like she's a big type of person to enjoy hunting things. Yeah. There's the rogue-like one.
01:02:14
Speaker
which could actually would either go into rogue or just like my class in rogue or Ranger, I think. Rogue would be terrifying. Rogue would be terrifying. She'd sneak everywhere and stab everyone and I'd be scared shitless. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, she'd also get we're giving her idea for giving her idea. She would she would also get the the chance to disengage, hide and dash without spending key points. So save her key points, which she can use on other things.
01:02:43
Speaker
mechanically it makes a very good sense yeah also like i guess story wise like narratively as well it makes it like a lot of sense yeah because she's quite sneaky um but honestly like i i she might she could just go all the way with monk um which is cool because i love monks um finn like maybe norphine no i think i think finn has expressed interest so yeah yeah um but but norphine
01:03:13
Speaker
I think no as well. Unless she wants to create a pact with her god and get a class like a few levels in Warlock, that's the only way I see it. Was it a pact with her divine? Yeah, something like that. I think it is a pact with her divine. That's the only way I see her in multi-classing. I don't see her multi-classing any other way.
01:03:38
Speaker
Yeah, mechanically-wise, it would probably be Gerudo Ranger because of Wisdom, but she just wouldn't. I can't see her doing that. I can see her going all the way through. So I think most of our party would more like class, but I think I will be the first person to put a level in another class, I think.
01:03:58
Speaker
I can see level five, me not going to level. Well, that's a lie. No, you get cool stuff at level five. Level six. Level six, I reckon. No, actually, is it level six? You got five? Or is it level six for fire? Whatever level I get in my next set of stuff, the level after will be my multi-class. So it might be seven, actually. So like level eight would be my multi-class.
01:04:28
Speaker
my first level class. And then I'd do it every other, so then it would be... We're not gonna make level 20, so it'd be like 12 levels in fire and like four levels in another class, basically. Yeah, like that. Yeah. Which is, how about me? You mentioned earlier we don't
01:04:54
Speaker
Technically have a horror story. It's not a whole story as such. It's yeah, it's it's um It's a am I the asshole which is basically a horror story, right? Like they're basically asking they just know it's a horror story and they're asking How bad is it? Are we gonna have to update our board? I don't think it's that bad. So in in this case, it's not a
01:05:15
Speaker
So this is why I chose this one. It's not about something that happened outside of the story. It happened in the story and they're asking if they should have done it in the story, right? So. Oh, okay. Okay. Interesting. What's the title? And then I'm going to, I'm going to give a prediction, which is dangerous, but I'm going to try. Cool. So basically, um,
01:05:42
Speaker
The title is Am I the Arsehole for trying to steal a business from a child? Interesting title, but it's D&D, right? You might not be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's D&D. Yeah. Yeah. So I live out in a frontier town near the border of my country. It's a simple place with even simpler people. The village is rather poor and doesn't have many exports bringing money.
01:06:09
Speaker
Other than some low quality crops, only real export positions are Apothecary. The problem being that Apothecary is run by a 13 year old child who is quite gifted when it comes to potion making but is far too young in charge.
01:06:28
Speaker
They're talking in character. The problem being is that the Apothecary is run by a 13-year-old child who's quite gifted when it comes to potion making, but is far too young to be in charge of such a vital part of the village economy. My proof of this comes when one of his employees came to my party to ask us for help with a rat infestation before it gets out of hand because the owner was scared or embarrassed to do anything about it.
01:06:53
Speaker
The next day we ventured into the cellar where we found out not only the Apothecary's extra ingredients stored but also the village's entire winter ration supply. After a gruelling battle in the damp, dark and decrepit cellar fighting off giant rats we emerged victorious.
01:07:09
Speaker
The next day I went to speak with the village leader to discuss the dangerous situation regarding the food storage because it seemed obvious to me and the rest of the party that this child is far too naive and immature to be responsible for something so vital to the village's survival. The village leader mostly agreed with the party's decision to put someone else in charge of running the business, at least until he becomes of age. But when the guard captain, who's been a real thorn in our side for a while,
01:07:33
Speaker
started rallying the town's people against us by claiming we were trying to steal the business that he started away from him but that wasn't our intention now half the town is mad ass and it's getting harder and harder for us to get people to see our side of things are we the assholes as the party basically that's it so in their game they're trying to steal the business from a 13 year old child that runs the town basically
01:08:05
Speaker
Any of the other comments confused about what they posted this? No, so Yeah, the very nuanced right is the word it was a bit of a struggle when I was reading this But yeah, so I think just yeah, they're trying to Take control of what it sounds like they're trying to take control of the business to
01:08:29
Speaker
Make sure it doesn't sound like they're trying to take control of the business. They went to the mayor and was like, hi, they're trying to change the leader. You should. This is something you should be aware of. Yeah. And the mayor's gone, right. We'll change the leadership. They've not. Yeah, it's not. Yeah, I didn't do anything. The party was. Mm hmm. Yeah. So the comments read the comments actually called them the asshole. And it said you're trying to bend down to your idea of good intentions. Yeah. It's one of them.
01:09:00
Speaker
And then the other one said you judge their ability purely on age, not skill. If the owner had been running it for nearly a year just fine, then I wouldn't jump to the confusion that they are unfit due to age. Second, what makes you qualified to judge his ability to run the business are sales down due to his poor management, are conditions bad, do you have experience running a apothecary, do you know the local landscape and confidently confirm that his practices are not sustainable.
01:09:23
Speaker
You also decided based on one event that they had less than 24 hours to deal with before you decided it must be fixed and he has to go. You are basing this solely on his reaction to this event, but if you dug a little deeper you would have found out an interesting little piece of information. That kid has Musophobia, a pretty severe case of it by the sounds of it, the mismanagement you are claiming, the one of you are rallying people in and attempt to remove him based on his greatest fear.
01:09:47
Speaker
Of course, in 24 hours, it would be hard for them to get a plan together, but they would still get a meeting to deal with it, which you casually left out, by the way. So in the end, your two reasons are they are young and you acted faster than them in a single problem, is the logic that this other comments come for. So I think they're calling them the asshole because there is no real logic for them to be complaining about
01:10:15
Speaker
the apothecary because it still works and it still runs but yeah it's a 13 year old but it works right but then I get seeing like if you came across a 13 year old in charge of an apothecary that runs the village basically
01:10:31
Speaker
Yeah. I get thinking that it would be too much. I think you guys would do the same. You guys would absolutely go to the town and they'll be like, hi, there's rats in your food storage. Yeah. Just what you should know. And then the village is gone. Oh, yeah, sure. We'll replace the child. They've not from that. Nowhere there does it say they petition for the child to be removed. Yeah. Nowhere there does it say they actively try to have the child like nowhere do they try and get the child removed.
01:11:02
Speaker
What? You'll never guess what. This is, wait, wait a minute. Oh my God. This is a three-part. In the three-parter? So people have done it from two different perspectives. I just went back, be like, oh,
01:11:27
Speaker
Just to look at things. I'm settling down for part two. So the one we just read was the perspective of the parties of the PCs. We have the perspective of the owner of the Apothecary, the 13-year-old. Who wrote these? Different accounts as well. So did the DM write this? They might have. OK, but who was part three from?
01:11:55
Speaker
Part three was from the night guard, the guard captain. These people are far too much. I'm sorry, they have far too much time on their hands. Yes. No, that doesn't mean to say. But no, you know what? It's fine. They're having fun. They're chilling. I retract that comment. Yes. So I believe this is all like satire, which is great. It might have actually happened in game and they might just decided to put it on. How aggressive is this child being written?
01:12:26
Speaker
We can read it now. Cool. From that, I'm guessing quite a bit. The title for the child's perspective is Am I the asshole for firing an employee that talked back to me?
01:12:39
Speaker
So I 13 M and the owner of an apothecary that my father entrusted to me I've been running the apothecary for almost a year now and in that time I've had no issues until a new half elf 26 F wizard started working for me she was a loner that always stuck to us
01:13:07
Speaker
oh my god this is so good oh my god um she chose to go into the forest collect herbs instead of brewing potions with everyone else i understand she had some previous brew potion brewing experience so it was disheartening to see how talents wasted however every time i tried to talk to her she'd talk down to me i understand my age is a point of contention and sometimes people find it hard to take me seriously but i'm still her boss one day she came up with
01:13:33
Speaker
Stop for one second. They said, how old is this half elf? 26. Oh. Oh, it's a half elf. Yeah, it's half elf. Oh, never mind. I thought he said it was an elf who was 26. He was like, that elf is still a child. Yeah.
01:13:49
Speaker
One day, she came up to me and told me she found signs of a rat infestation in one of our storehouses. For some context, I have musophobia. That's where that comment came from, right? That's why I hate that comment, you so much. They read the other parts! The thought of a rat infestation made me sick to the point of fainting. At the moment, all I wanted to do was leave the area and get to safety before I threw up or worse.
01:14:13
Speaker
When I tried to leave she kept telling me about the rats and how I had to take care of it right now. My body was shaking and my eyes were watering but she refused to let me leave. Finally I convinced her to leave but my head was spilling and I was going to faint. By the time I got home I was a mess. I ended up throwing up and I cried myself to sleep.
01:14:30
Speaker
On the next day came, I saw how bad the rat infestation was, especially since they were giant rats. I collected myself enough to call a meeting with all of my employees so I could enlist their help. However, the half-elf wizard just started rubbing it in my face she was right and started telling everyone how she saw this coming. She ended up teaming up with another one of my new employees who started around the same time as her and they started saying how I wasn't ready to run a business.
01:14:53
Speaker
Ignoring how I'd been running it for the better part of a year. This was too much for me to handle. The negative comments combined with how I already felt like throwing up can give me the perfect opportunity to try and sit on around me, using my other employees as witnesses.
01:15:06
Speaker
It was too much to handle, I threw up again. They pounced at it and began telling me how I'm just a kid, how I'm too immature and how they would take care of and show me how to do it. I snapped and fired the half elf wizard. However, this only made things worse. And they began planning on taking my business out from under me by appealing to the village leaders to step in and take my business from me. So, the first part we read was from the former employees. Yeah, AKA the players, right?
01:15:37
Speaker
who had been living in that village. This one was from the 13 year old. Yeah, this is next is one from the guard. Yeah, and now we're getting one from the guard. This is amazing. Cool.
01:15:58
Speaker
I, 30M Fighter have been living in this new frontier village for almost a year. Recently some new settlers have arrived in the village. I've been in this village since day one so I know a thing or two on how it functions. Most of the new settlers were ready to work and find their place. However, there was one specific group of four
01:16:15
Speaker
That felt like they owned the place. I, being a well-liked and respected guard, decided not to allow them to run rampant. Me and this specific group, who were referred to as the One Names, due to the fact their names play an important part in the kingdom we live in, the more names you have, the higher the status.
01:16:35
Speaker
everything came to hand when a meteor crashed down near the village. Everyone gathered for a meeting to suggest what we should do. I said the one name's going to investigate as a way to teach them some discipline and so they can contribute something to the village, but they all started yelling at me as that as a town guard I have to go. I knew that they just wanted an excuse to cause more trouble for the village. As a guard, if something happened in the village I needed to be at the village to meet the threat.
01:16:59
Speaker
I start explaining to the townspeople over there yelling that I can't go because I'm their shield in times of hardship. However,
Community Contributions and Reflections
01:17:06
Speaker
Some of the villagers are against me, stating they just got here and don't know much about the forest layout. There were also those saying the one names were a big contribution to the village, even though they just arrived. So they had cleaned the outhouses multiple times when they were their first week, and even took up jobs in the apothecary, church, and one of them is even a night watchman. I don't believe their aunties should be excused with a simple hard day's work, and for all the stress they have caused me, am I the arsehole?
01:17:35
Speaker
I don't feel like we can say anything about this. It's amazing. I'll say it's amazing. It's fantastic. Honestly, it's clearly been planned very well. Yeah. When I read the title, I thought it was genuinely like, oh, I did this in the game. Would you guys have done the same?
01:18:01
Speaker
It's wonderful. Yes, this was amazing. There's fucking lore to this, am I the actual? Yeah, this is insane. This is my favorite. This is the best one we've done. This is so good. Yeah, absolutely. Oh my god. Yeah, that was interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
Show Updates and Accessibility
01:18:23
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01:19:21
Speaker
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