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Lich Please! Episode 8
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This week we have a player a part of Iwan's campaign - Mike!!
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Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:01
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to episode eight of the Lich Police podcast. As always, I'm Yuan and I'm here with my co-host, Alex. Hello. And we have another player from my Monday campaign with us here today and a self-confessed forever DM as well. Yeah. Mike gives us today. Hi.
Mike's Early Campaign Experiences
00:00:20
Speaker
Cool. I play Tyr in the Monday group. The aforementioned? Yes. Yes. The other half of the double act from the devil act. The mysterious walking contradiction. Yeah, Tyr the half elf. Yes. Recently changed to double off, please.
00:00:44
Speaker
correct yourself there, Joanne. We have two double elves in the party. Sorry, tear the double elf. Yeah. So you joined the campaign after it started because we had a player who couldn't play and then Joanne got you to come play. So I think you must have joined like session
00:01:05
Speaker
four it wasn't that late it was like it wasn't really that it was still quite early you just arrived in phallium so it was like just after the the caravan incident yeah yeah i'd say it's like session three or four i think it was four it was early yeah
00:01:21
Speaker
It was very early on. I really wasn't sure how late I joined into it, to be honest. I figured pretty early since it was level two, but at the same time, we've been level two for ages.
Character Development: Tyr's Backstory
00:01:37
Speaker
Yeah so that was like seven months ago or something so basically everything we've all the conspiracy theories you've been there for. You're even on the chat. I am in the chat however.
00:01:54
Speaker
have much to say. We're also like glossing over the fact that we don't know anything about Tyr. Oh yeah I mean it started with you guys like I think being like Lashara and Lyla aren't what they say they are and I'm just like... Pretty much.
00:02:20
Speaker
It's been enjoyable so far. I found out recently you just finished your backstory. Yeah, so I had I had an outline. And it was like, I know I knew like the general beats of his story. I didn't like flesh it out until recently. Yeah, I mean, it was there. It was just refined, I would say. Yeah, it's so I have like the the fine details when I get interrogated by Leshara.
00:02:51
Speaker
No, it's when it inevitably happens. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, um. Oh, I think we have to say how to get into D&D. Yeah. Yeah. I expected that watching the other ones. Yeah. Um, so I started and thinking about this makes me feel
Mike's D&D Beginnings and Transition to DMing
00:03:17
Speaker
old. Uh,
00:03:19
Speaker
I started in 2016 when I was in my final year of high school. That's when I was still in the US. And I had a friend who was into D&D in my core friend group. And he would just tell us stories of things that happened from it. And one day he just offered to run it, and me and
00:03:48
Speaker
two other friends in the group were like, sure, why not? Don't have anything better to do. And we really liked it. He set it up on Roll20. We made all of our characters. He was very flexible with the character creation. I was like, I don't want to be a dragonborn, but I want to be like a dragon person. I want to be like a human with like dragon horns and stuff like that.
00:04:18
Speaker
Yeah, so we called that half Dragonborn. I've seen more and more stuff about that online here and there, and I was like, I did that. But yeah, he was very accommodating with it, which is what I think was really good for first time players.
00:04:40
Speaker
And we just like kind of spitballed our backstories and he was like, yep, sure. Fuck it. We ball. And it's kind of what happened. We did the first session. We really liked it. And then eventually our members of the friend group joined. The group size doubled. We were at seven players at one point. Oh, wow.
00:05:04
Speaker
And six months into that campaign, I was like, I think I want a DM because I really like the story element of it. And I enjoyed the world building. And it wasn't too long before I started that I was making suggestions for the lore to my DM because we were in all the same classes together. So that's basically what we would talk about all day.
00:05:34
Speaker
And so it kind of just went from there. We decided to code DM. We were switching on and off. It was a terrible idea. I took over DMing here and there for my first character, for my baby. So inevitably, as a 16 or 17-year-old,
00:06:02
Speaker
I kind of, I favorited my guy a little bit more. I'm ashamed to admit, but I mean, we were all just feeling it out, most feeling it out. It was just like all of our first time playing. And my DM that got us into it, that was also his first time DMing. He was only a player before. So eventually that fell apart.
00:06:30
Speaker
Not just because of my favoritism towards my character. There are multiple reasons why. There's just high school drama and stuff like that. It's not really that important. And then I on and off played until about 2019. And then I started DMing my current campaign that I'm DMing for.
Current Campaign and The Lost Minds of Phandelver
00:06:57
Speaker
That's going on four years. That's the part that kind of makes me feel old because it's, it's not. That's impressive. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, they're, I think they're level seven now. So I'm doing a slow burn too. And, uh, yeah, it's going great. Uh, half the group is friends that I made since then. And half the group is old returning players from the previous group. We've all.
00:07:26
Speaker
Grown up, matured a lot since then. And it's really good. And another thing that I did want to mention is you guys mentioning modules. I started that campaign on a module. I started that on The Lost Minds of Phandelver. So a comment that I have on modules, because I think you mentioned
00:07:53
Speaker
There's not as much room for home brewing and stuff like that or improv. There's not room for improv. Yeah. Yeah. So I mixed that module with the world that I had already built as my friends or with my friends when I first started playing.
00:08:13
Speaker
So I swapped names in the modules and stuff like that so that I could improvise if they went off the rails. And they did. They did go off the rails. Obviously. I found that really helpful when I was first DMing. I'll call it for real. I felt like that was the real first time I started DMing.
Improvisational DM Style and Dyslexia Challenges
00:08:39
Speaker
And I found that really helpful.
00:08:43
Speaker
I think what I worry about when I take a module is if they go off the road and I change something, is it going to fuck something up later down the line? They get to it in two months and I'm like, well, shit. I've completely fucked this now. That's a valid way. Because I'm not going to take this entire 300-page document in and memorize it. Maybe Yalix would because
00:09:13
Speaker
I've been known to memorize big documents. I didn't. I'm a big improviser. I make the session on the day that it's happening. I'm the same. I was wondering what type of DM you were in that regard. I can't really tell. I don't really write it. I think
00:09:39
Speaker
because I think it mainly because of dyslexia, like I hate writing things down, but I'll spend like the week thinking about what I'm going to do. And then by the time it gets to the session, I subconsciously like just generated something that will kind of work. Yeah. I awkwardly timed that sip. That reminds me of
00:10:04
Speaker
A thread I read on Reddit, actually, it was somebody pitching the idea like, would this be annoying to other players? And it was a it was a PC that horribly times their sip. I saw that really recently, like in the past month and people were like, it was the response was generally like, if if you don't do it too often, if it's like once per session.
00:10:35
Speaker
No, I I can't remember something that I saw or I've made up or dreamt But I kind of want to do a campaign where they start at level 20 and you slowly progress it They you reverse levels. So the end boss. It's like a fucking goblin or something and they're like I think a great idea I think
00:10:59
Speaker
you can go oh thank you uh yeah i really want to do uh uh someone put it in the chat uh fantasy high but like as adults like as the teachers that'd be so fun that'd just be so good absolutely yeah the the staff yeah definitely 100 yeah that would be pretty fun um i don't have any experience with fantasy high i don't know much about it neither it's great you both need to watch it
00:11:27
Speaker
Yeah. Shout out to Brennan Lee Mulligan if you ever want to come on. DMs are open.
Group Dynamics and Player Changes
00:11:35
Speaker
So going back to your four-year group, is that the same people or have you had some changeover? Because retention of a group across four years is impressive. Yeah. So I had
00:11:53
Speaker
For not including me at the beginning of that, I did lose one on the way. That might be a story for later, maybe. I kind of had had to boot someone from the group. Oh, OK. Yeah, we'll cover that later if you want. Yeah. And then with, and the problem is, the person that
00:12:21
Speaker
I booted, I had to. They were the talker. They were the role player. They were the main one that pushed the story. So I had to get more people. And so none of them, in that original group of my current four-year campaign, none of them were from my original, original group.
00:12:52
Speaker
So after I kicked that person, I had to find more and so I reached back to the very original group and I got two of them from there. Because after like long enough amount of time, like I reconnected with them and they were still like really into D&D. And so it just kind of worked out with them joining and that's what I've been sticking with for the past year, I think.
00:13:18
Speaker
Yeah, it's been about a year since they joined and since I kicked the person out. Excellent. Yeah.
Awkward Recruitment and DMing Lessons
00:13:26
Speaker
So to get the original four that you had, or five, including the person you kicked with that online recruitment, or how did you go about getting those? Just friend group, actually. OK.
00:13:47
Speaker
Three of them were, no, two of them were friends from high school. Two of them I got closer to when I went to college because they went to the same college as me. I went to the college in the US at first and then I transferred to the UK. And then over,
00:14:12
Speaker
Years, I've just been on Discord groups and stuff like that, completely unrelated to D&D. Just made some friends. There was two that were interested in a campaign, and so I invited them. They were just online friends that I knew for years. So I've never done any recruiting or anything like that. The thought of that always really stressed me out. Yeah, yeah.
00:14:40
Speaker
I commend the bravery of you. It's a minefield, really. There's too many horror stories. There's a lot about bad recruitment.
00:14:53
Speaker
I mean, I'm a part of a server and I've heard stuff about recruiting people into the server because the DM for the campaign I'm in is also like one of the important people in the server. So you just, you tend to hear things about the bad people you can recruit into things. And it's just, oh, I get to avoid that because I'm just,
00:15:11
Speaker
I'm doing it with you lot. I get to avoid the whole recruiting thing. I just play with you guys. It's fine. But yeah. I mean, I've kind of got a story from the recruitment side, being recruited side of things. I don't think I've told it on the podcast. I think I've told you guys. Do you remember when I tried to join a campaign on a, it was prior to running Wednesday group. I joined a campaign on Wednesday and I joined the server.
00:15:37
Speaker
And they had like an introduction page where they wanted you to put your name, pronouns and sexual orientation. Yeah, I remember that. And I only filled in my name and pronouns, obviously, because that's generally important. Didn't see the point in putting my sexual orientation because the character I was going to play.
00:15:57
Speaker
was the one I was going to play in your campaign. So a random old woman who joined it, which is going to be completely different to what I am. So I didn't think it was relevant. No, you've got to put it. You've got to put it in. I was like, it's completely irrelevant who I want to.
00:16:10
Speaker
That is not relevant to what I want to do in day and date. Why am I going to tell you that? That's a red flag. Yes, they kicked me out. I got moved in for a freedom to do it. I do remember that. Really? I do remember that. I remember that. I remember telling you my block company got up and kicked out of campaign, guys.
00:16:33
Speaker
Yeah. No, I do remember that. It was wild. That's weird. I have something unrelated about your grandmother that you're playing. Oh, yes. For Alex's campaign. Because I heard in one of the podcast episodes when I was still going to be a goblin, he wanted me to be your adopted goblin grandson. Yes. Not a goblin. I will still be your grandson, if you want.
00:17:15
Speaker
I told Alex that for my ship NPC I wanted it to just make it my character's dad.
00:17:25
Speaker
He's just there. Yeah, he's a little family. Nice. He's just a little family. Yeah. Oh, that's not bad. Yeah. Nice. I'm so excited for that campaign, especially after making the sub class. Honestly, after making your sub class, I was like, shit, I really want to play. I want to know, you guys were in Call of Soul, I'm making it. I really want to join the call. Secrets.
00:17:53
Speaker
It'll be good, it'll be good. I mean, you won't find out technically for ages. Even as apart from my campaign, it's not like, well, it depends how you play your character, isn't it? But yeah, I'm excited. And then I've got to sort your one out, because you sent me the subclass. It's basically fine. It's just got to hash out some details. Yeah, I'm not set on it. I might have changed my mind since I sent you that. I might make a new one. I might make three or four new ones and then just show them all. Roll a dice, see which one it gives you.
00:18:26
Speaker
But yeah, obviously still got the others to flesh out. But hopefully I'll finish it soon. And then we've got the one shot next month in like three weeks. We haven't talked about the podcast because I forgot to. We're going to talk about it like two weeks ago. And I was going to be like, oh, speaking of one shots, I'm running a one shot to pirate campaign for World Billion. But now that we're here, yeah, that's what I'm doing next month.
00:18:52
Speaker
Will that be your first ever time DMing? No, technically not. Technically not. I did try and run a campaign before. Honestly, it was a really bad idea. The concept for the campaign was good. Obviously I'm into manga and anime, right? I've talked about it a lot.
00:19:15
Speaker
I had no idea. I know. Korean mangas tend to do leveling things and towers, like a tower of trials, right? Not tower of trials, I'm tower of God. Solo leveling? Solo leveling, yeah, stuff like that. I've read them at the time. I mean, I've read them, obviously, yeah. They're amazing, and that's really good. Solo leveling's amazing, yeah.
Recent Campaign Events and Betrayal Theories
00:19:38
Speaker
And I was like, oh, you know, this would be a really good idea for a campaign. And then I was thinking, I can even tell someone or I can start a campaign. So I had just joined a group on Wednesdays, like this is a year ago. And then he invited me to the server and he was like, yeah, this is a new server that was created, me and my friends created it after we started our Wednesday campaign. And I know you've been talking about DMing, so maybe you can find people to DM for here.
00:20:05
Speaker
So I was like, oh, yes, let's write the campaign out. But I did a very poor job. So for this campaign, I've got really in debt. That, I wrote a page and a book. And then I was like, yeah, let's run a session next week. And I was like, let's have eight people.
00:20:25
Speaker
because I've got like 15 people I've got like 15 messages and I'm like okay let's do eight people and then the concept was these tower things started spawning in the world
00:20:46
Speaker
And then no one knew what they were, but they like spouted monsters and stuff. And it was like a big challenge. And you climb up the tower for floors. I was like, it's an easy enough concept to run. Every floor is a different thing. It's like a one shot based floor. I was like, OK, cool. Yeah. One shot every floor. Light work. So you did the first one and they got the tutorial floor like like always with goblins, like always, you know. And yeah, they they kill the goblins. And that was session one. It was.
00:21:13
Speaker
It was OK. And then, like, I procrastinated. And then people couldn't do sessions, like a lot of people, because it was a mix between English people and American people. So you run it on a Sunday, like 2 PM, something like that. So sometimes, like, they weren't awake or sometimes people had stuff to do. So we missed, like, three weeks without it. And then we went again. And then it was like half the people forgot about it. So we're down to, like, four people.
00:21:44
Speaker
Which is mad as well, because I didn't get any messages that they were like, they straight up just forgot about the campaign. So I was like, it's cool, four people, that's manageable. And then we did some progress. We cleared the tutorial floor, and then I was going to do a thing at the end of the tutorial floor, and honestly went really poorly. And then I got a message from one of my players that's like,
00:22:09
Speaker
hey i'm gonna have to pull out like people dropping out i was like yeah it's cool and i sat there thinking yeah this went shit i was just like oh fuck i was like okay yeah
00:22:20
Speaker
I'm just going to call the campaign. I did a very bad job. And we didn't even play on Wednesdays anymore with the other campaign. So I was just sat in a server for no reason. So I said, OK, cool. So I just called the campaign and just left the server. And I haven't even spoken to him since. Like, the campaign went really bad. So that was my first experience. I DM twice, very poorly, basically.
00:22:42
Speaker
Yeah, because I was very underprepared and I'd only be playing D&D for about three months. Wow, you learn. Yeah, that's my own personal horror story of my failed time getting into DMing. If maybe if you go through Reddit, you'll find it. It's possible, honestly. I've been sat here thinking, some of my posts on Reddit, it was really bad and I felt bad for people.
00:23:06
Speaker
uh i promise it will be better it will be better i've come really in depth with this one so uh we should be fine in depth like rules and stuff i haven't written a lot of law because you guys will find out law when you discover it the thing is what i'm doing um so yeah technically it won't be my best time DMing but like it won't be
00:23:31
Speaker
Last week we spoke a lot about Alador and what exactly you were doing, what happened in that last session. You've now finished the dungeon and you were hoping for clarity I think at the end of that and what you got was more confusion. Yes, what we got was betrayal. I wouldn't say betrayal.
00:23:53
Speaker
I enjoyed last session. It was fun for everyone but me. Big shout out to Mike.
00:24:12
Speaker
the absolute uh collapse in your face when like knew all languages apparently oh yeah can we just don't talk about that that was
00:24:25
Speaker
I heard that I was so happy. And then everyone was like, it's your campaign, decide what is written. And I was thinking deep down, I was like, no, there's something really important written I need to know. But then it was like, no, no. And then you changed it. And I was just sat there hollow shelled. I was like, ah, fuck. I'm never going to know. I wasn't watching on the camera. It was so painful. But yeah, we
00:24:53
Speaker
We finished that dungeon. I mean, was it a difficult fight? I don't think it was. Not the spiders. Not the spiders, no. That was the only fight we had, wasn't it? I thought the fear, the phobia would be crippling, but it really wasn't. Rolled in at 20. I was expecting more from that, but it went well.
00:25:17
Speaker
Yeah, and I have to keep that fear though. I know. Yeah. I have a reason. I have a reason for the fear. Okay. I mean, you know.
00:25:34
Speaker
Dan's scared of George, so if there was any giant beetles we ever fought, logic applies. Tears spiders, tear can kill Dan's beetles. Exactly, exactly. I'm actually surprised you guys didn't fight the ghost. I was expecting... It was close, it was close. I know it was close, it was very close.
00:26:00
Speaker
I have a feeling that Tyr was very, very close to provoking a fight. But it got worded off last second. Yes. Yes.
Moral Conflicts and Humorous Campaign Ideas
00:26:14
Speaker
It was, I mean, like straight away, Leila tried to rob the gold, the fake gold, the gold. And that nearly started to fight. Good, good role on a slight of hand. Yeah. If Mike hadn't have been there.
00:26:30
Speaker
I was going to run with the because the true treasure is the knowledge. But then obviously I couldn't give you all that knowledge immediately. So the knowledge is now somewhere else. Oh, it's a pain. That's sad. Yeah. But the whole of the end of that session was was just conspiracy theories that I'm not allowed to know.
00:27:00
Speaker
What do you mean you're not allowed to know? I'm not allowed to know because Lila knows. Oh, that's funny. Yeah, not me. I was sat there so sad. I don't know if you understand. I was actually sat there so sad.
00:27:15
Speaker
Tragedies of playing a dumb character. Yeah, last session was good and we finished the whole crit now. So we can go kill some goblins. That's my favorite part, killing goblins. You've not killed any goblins in a while, to be fair. It's been like...
00:27:35
Speaker
are like 10 sessions but since we've killed goblins wait has a has has tear come with us to kill goblins ever uh yes like the first or second session oh oh yeah that makes sense if you killed the wand after the slabs yeah before the slabs yeah before yeah and you've not done these since yeah i know we just got a
00:28:00
Speaker
bum rush all the goblin camps so we can start my campaign yeah it's never gonna happen um i'm genuinely thinking it might be like january february before we start honestly it might it just might it really depends
00:28:15
Speaker
I always find it morally strange in D&D how okay it is to kill goblins. I just slaughter that. It's just a normal thing. Yeah. I had a player make a goblin rights group in my campaign. Nice. Yeah, it did not work out well with the other players.
00:28:37
Speaker
Lucky for um for my campaign. There is a singular family of goblins and people don't murder these goblins. They're good goblins Don't worry guys We like goblins Yeah, that's good. I like goblins. No, right. I'd like to play one I Love playing goblins as a as a DM very fun. Yeah
00:29:03
Speaker
I kind of want to play a cobalt who's convinced that a dragon and just refuses to accept that they're not. Yeah, that'd be nice. That's always a good one. I had an idea the other day so obviously Lashara is starting a campaign on Fridays and I'm joining.
00:29:23
Speaker
And I mean, yeah, I've still been thinking of characters. I was going to do like one of them was going to have some sort of carpenter background. I haven't hushed out. The other one was going to do a cleric that's allergic to healing people. So every time they heal someone, they get a really bad cold or something for like a day. But yeah, there's so many concepts I want to play. I don't know what I'm going to do.
00:29:54
Speaker
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Favorite D&D Classes and Game Mechanics Discussion
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00:30:58
Speaker
wow and then i've actually had people come to me and you can leave this bit in because i know they're listening someone has said to me that in the past that we've said please cut that and it's still in the episode so i don't think you're doing your job very well alex whoa i think i remember that episode was like that was like the last episode i watched yesterday was it yeah to be fair i didn't really understand what i didn't understand the context so
00:31:28
Speaker
I didn't even know what was important. Oh, maybe, maybe. Yeah. I might have been, was it the episode where I went, sorry, we've got some technical difficulties halfway through.
00:31:42
Speaker
What was it? I don't listen to the back. My voice for that long. Yeah. There's no way I'm going to watch this. I'll drop a like for you guys, but that's about it. The question we always forget, what's your favorite class and subclass? They can be different.
00:32:11
Speaker
I, yeah, I've been thinking about that because of, uh, I watched the other episodes. So hard to say, um, as a player, I have sentimental value towards, uh, uh, circle of the moon druid. That was my first one. Uh, and MMOs and stuff like that. I always played druid. I just, I always liked the shape shifting stuff. Uh, it was just always my favorite. Um,
00:32:42
Speaker
Lately, I am just way more of a martial person. I like being the shit out of people. Heading things is fun, to be fair. And I like being descriptive about it, so that's why I like monks and stuff like that. And as a DM, Orlok is the best.
00:33:08
Speaker
The Warlock is the best. Being a patron is so much fun. None of my players are Warlocks. No, me neither. I have a monk with a patron. Yeah, that's cool. And that is really, really fun. I really enjoy being the patron. Yeah, I think the Warlock is the best for role play opportunities.
00:33:37
Speaker
for sure for sure I mean I'm a warlock in my Monday campaign and obviously I've got a patron and it makes things fun because you can ask them questions you can just be like oh I don't know this will they know it and then it's like yeah they might know it do you want to ask them was like sure and then you have a little conversation with the DM it's just like yeah that's fun um my player doesn't do that Michael this player this player doesn't ask questions he
00:34:01
Speaker
I just purely have the patron harass him. Nice. He's not a kind patron. Well, I think you're playing Warlock for the pirate campaign, aren't you?
00:34:18
Speaker
I am. I am indeed. Oh, nice. Nice. I'll be a patron to you there. I'm looking forward to being harassed by you. Oh, you'll just get messages upon messages. It's just going to be random stuff. Depends how you want the patron to be, right? However you want.
00:34:37
Speaker
Oh, well, they're going to be really annoying. However you want. They're fine. I'll just kill you. Yeah, I mean.
00:34:50
Speaker
Yeah, Patreon roleplay is fun. And I definitely agree that monks are the shit. Let's go monks. However weak they are, sadly, they are still the shit. Yeah. Yeah. Monks are very unloved, I think. Yeah. In terms of both in terms of like power, in terms of how they're written and player base. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Definitely.
00:35:14
Speaker
Yeah. To be fair, that's a good choice of classes. I'm guessing being as your first character was druid, you played druid in Baldur's Gate. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. They are busted. They're really fucking insane. So are paladins, believe it or not. Paladins are absolutely cracked on Baldur's Gate. They are crazy.
00:35:40
Speaker
I'd be doing a lot of damage with my Paladin on all this game. I haven't even finished my first playthrough. I stopped for a while because I heard that this recent patch wasn't that good.
00:35:56
Speaker
I'm at 250 hours, not on this playthrough. I got over 100 in early access. But I have like 150 and I have not even done a new character yet. Yeah, mine's mine. I think mine's 175 because I've done a play through with my friend and I've done a play through for me, but I haven't finished my play through. I finished all of my mate. But they announced that they're going to do cross platform, which I've been waiting for for ages because only one of my friends on PlayStation.
00:36:25
Speaker
players on PlayStation. Everyone else I know has it on PC. I was like, yes, finally, cross-platform. So more hours will be coming to that game, like so much. Yeah, that'll be nice. Yeah.
Memorable DMing Experiences and Player Decisions
00:36:39
Speaker
So another question we like to ask for people who've been DMs and players. Favorite moment as a DM? Yeah. Yeah, favorite moment as a DM.
00:36:53
Speaker
Favorite moment as a DM. I've been thinking about this. What isn't there to love about being a DM? Oh, the list is endless. I don't know. I mean, it's a bit cheesy, but I have so many. Maybe one that I can think of. Actually, this is just a memory.
00:37:23
Speaker
I'm good with just talking about memories. I had my players doing Phandelver, as I mentioned before, and they went to the town of Thundertree, which was an abandoned town that was kind of taken over by a green dragon called Venomfang. It could be a rough encounter.
00:37:54
Speaker
They're not recommended to fight Venomfang. They didn't fight Venomfang. They're supposed to negotiate with Venomfang and Venomfang will leave them alone or something like that. I did this a while ago, I don't really remember. What they're not supposed to do is become servants to Venomfang.
00:38:22
Speaker
They dedicated their lives to this dumbass dragon. I was like, I don't know what to do. I'll bring up that Venom Fang has a rival red dragon in the area and maybe that will scare them off. No, they were like, okay, we'll go kill the dragon for you.
00:38:41
Speaker
That's amazing. In my first module, I had to draft up a dungeon for a red dragon because my dumb ass players decided to be the servant to a green dragon. That's incredible.
00:39:03
Speaker
Like, I'm not gonna deny this story. So they did do that. I made it a very rough dungeon. And the boss at the end was the red dragon. However, I did have Venom Fang come in last minute to help because I wasn't just going to TPK the party like that, especially if they got through the dungeon, which was challenging in its own.
00:39:33
Speaker
That being said, one of them still died. This is the only PC death I have had, like the only permanent death. Because it was our half-orc barbarian, and after the fight with the red dragon, they had like no health. He had like two health. And he said, I'm going to go explore the rest of the dungeon by myself. Oh, no.
00:40:00
Speaker
The others were like, don't do that. That's really stupid. We're going to pass. And he was like, nah, we'll be fine. It'll be fine. And he goes to the next unexplored room and I had like traps the walls that like come together like that.
00:40:20
Speaker
Like they'd smash together. I had that. He got trapped in there. That room requires like two people to pass through. It was like there's like a button at the end or something and he did not have enough movement speed. He got crushed and died.
00:40:37
Speaker
And I'm pretty forgiving to my players. I'm not forgiving for resurrection. I'm forgiving and preventing them from dying an anti-climatic death.
00:40:51
Speaker
I was like, there's no way I can write my way out of this one. That was just pure stupidity. And we ended the session on that. And the next session, the group woke up and found that their friend had died. They found like just his smashed belongings. Amazing.
00:41:15
Speaker
I had no words for that. And one other honorable mention, because I'm in the realm of Thundertree and all that stuff, was the Cult of the Dragon resides there too. They're there to bribe Venomfang to join their
00:41:36
Speaker
thing. And they went to go kill the Cult of the Dragon because they were annoying Venom Fang during his bidding. They busted into this boarded off house. The barbarian kicked open the door through a javelin, pinned
00:42:01
Speaker
one of the guys, and it's written that the leader has a potion of flying. So he takes the potion of flying and flies out the window, just yeets himself out there.
00:42:18
Speaker
And the priest sends a guiding bolt after him. Barbarian did a lot of initial damage, so they actually incapacitate the leader. And after the fight, they track him down, and they find him laying on the ground, just burned by the guiding bolt. And they decide to tie him up and wake him up. And I asked, are you guys holding the rope?
00:42:46
Speaker
They they they answered no. So I was like, OK, he floats up while he's tied up and flies away.
Dice Collections and Pirate Campaign Excitement
00:42:57
Speaker
And they were so upset. It was like.
00:43:06
Speaker
They had been trying to get this guy for like the past whole session and just let it slip through their fingers. He just didn't hold the rope after they tied him up. So unfortunate. Yeah. That was a little honorable mention for me. Nice. Yeah. I need to close this door real quick.
00:43:34
Speaker
We can cut this too. That's fine. Sorry about that. There's no worries. Cool. Yeah. My mind's gone blank. It's OK. Sorry about the door.
00:43:51
Speaker
Sorry, we'll cut this whole pot out. Dice collecting. Yes. The dice I have been using in your campaign has been so good. It has been pretty good to be fair. Yeah. This is, this is my dice. It's like a red and purple. Oh, that's really cool. Yeah. I recently acquired dice for the first time. I know.
00:44:21
Speaker
Never owned eyes before this. And I went so long. I don't know if people know this, but Dan's hair color is actually green.
00:44:28
Speaker
Yes. If you go like the Hero Forge, so I've actually got this green dice here, like this green and white marble dice, might be hard to see, bad webcam. It looks blue on my screen. It did look blue. Yeah. I'll take your word for it. It's green and white marble for Dan. I bought another set of dice, so I got two sets. The other one's black and white marble, which I bought for my DMing because black signifies death.
00:45:09
Speaker
I bought an orange fire reset because fireballs as a DM. I get that. Nice. I was thinking about this the other day and I was like, what am I most excited for to start DMing? Is it killing people or the riddles? No, it's the traps. I can't wait to set traps. I'm really excited for that because I actually have a list of pirate traps that exist. That's interesting.
00:45:29
Speaker
We'll die. I feel that.
00:45:38
Speaker
I am so lazy about traps. I don't think about traps at all. I don't care about setting traps. Lila, are there any kind of liquid traps? And I'm like, sure. I like to pretend I have traps, but I don't. It's a trap.
00:45:58
Speaker
That's the ultimate trap. Yeah. Mike, you guys have to move carefully. There might be traps here. No, I've got some cool ones of a website, but then one of them was like a lot of them, some of them are trip wire based. And then one of them was like, Oh,
00:46:16
Speaker
Here's a hidden cannon." I was like, that's short. That's gonna kill him. I was like, that's too much for a trap. And he was like, yes. And then I was like, let's add it to the list. Because if you don't see a cannon, if you roll bad enough to miss a cannon, you deserve to get hit by a trap. You deserve to be hit by that cannonball. If you get a PC kill before I do, I'll be so mad.
00:46:44
Speaker
Well, technically, you're all going to face impending doom on the very first session. Well, ignoring that because it doesn't count. Yeah, ignoring that. I think it's possible. I mean, I'm going to make mine about as difficult, but you guys will be level three. So you'll get more interesting things to fight because when you're level three, you can find more interesting things. Yeah. And I heard you, Alex, say that you think Tyr will die first.
00:47:12
Speaker
what the logic is that me and you spend a lot of time in the front because with a big bash we've got high ac high health and then this doesn't work because we go down so much
00:47:27
Speaker
I heard that and I was like yeah. I was like is he with Donald Tear and I don't want it to be Dan so it looks like I'm calling Tear to die first. Tear has little regard for his own safety. There have been fights where I've been like I need to manage it carefully because I might kill someone.
00:47:50
Speaker
And then you go to breathe through it. And then there's like, Oh, this is fine. This won't do any trouble. And that was for the both of you went down and I was like, shit. I couldn't believe that with the clay golem. I've never seen so many 24s and 25s to hit in my life.
00:48:08
Speaker
but it attacked three times every turn so like it was statistically it was gonna hit at least one of them and do damage to all of them and just did all the damage there's a lot of damage to be fair battered yeah i'm happy i didn't roll a one yes you were so close to dying and i was scared i'd have been so excited by the killed dam in that because oh it's too early to kill i would have made you leave that session as well
00:48:36
Speaker
Oh, I might have just left it, to be honest, that session. Give me a minute. I've got to go. Yeah. Oh, dear. Yeah, I mean, I hope I don't want to get a TPK.
TPK Scenarios and Gaming Life Balance
00:48:51
Speaker
Like, I don't want to go on my way to get one. But if it happens that I get one, I'm not going to be sad. I'm just going to be like, people die. It's a pirate campaign. You know how many pirates died? Like millions.
00:49:03
Speaker
I'm not going to be sad. It just is what it is. Like, you know, a thing that happens. I'm always conflicted about the TPK, though, because it's it's such a story record. Yeah. So much so much stuff that you've been setting up for a long time. Like as a DM, I try my hardest to prevent it. But I mean, sometimes with enough dumb decisions and bad luck. Yeah, it's it can happen.
00:49:31
Speaker
I mean, like, I'm sure some DMs do this because it's in the book as well. Like, you can just fudge roles if you don't want something to happen. You can be like, oh, that's me. That role's not me. I fudge roles. I fudge roles. I feel like I've been going to fudge a role. Like, if you're once to death within like two or three hit points and I'm like, oh, this person could do with a kill. Now would be a great time to get a kill. I'm like, he's dead.
00:49:56
Speaker
Yeah, that's I very rarely fudge roles against players. It's mostly for them, especially because I roll like a god as a DM and my players were like shit. I don't know why, but like I I like average like at least like three nat 20s per session. Oh, shit.
00:50:18
Speaker
At least I get so many and it frustrates me as a player though. My luck has been better In this campaign at least yeah, I mean You I knew all quite well as a DM. I think yeah better than I've been another campaign like Derek he rolls really badly and I know he's listening he rolls her
00:50:42
Speaker
like she's really bad which like if you're in the campaign you'd understand that he has to like dispose of dice like three times a session switch like ice towers and then he'll still roll until it's really important then he'll roll something really well, but otherwise it's like yeah, he rolls awful I Don't have Yeah, I don't have my rolling my rolling with Dan is awful. Sometimes sometimes it's good. Sometimes it's really bad. So I
00:51:11
Speaker
Yeah, I don't have faith. Is Derek for your campaign with the people, the Americans? Yeah, yeah, he's the DM of my other technically Monday campaign. Yeah. So you're playing really late.
00:51:27
Speaker
Yeah, it starts at 1am and I finish at like 4.30. All of my players are in the US. Yeah, it's a long one. IDM from like 11pm to 4am. Yeah, dead. Oh shit. Yeah, I do that on weekends though.
00:51:45
Speaker
Ah, understandable, yeah. I have like, there have been sessions where we've gone for a while and I've stayed up and gone to work without sleeping. Like, I've just gone, oh, is it six o'clock? Yeah, it looks like I'm going to work. And then... That's unfortunate. Yeah. And then we get home inside. Oh, I couldn't do that. Yeah. I'm definitely not. That's important.
00:52:05
Speaker
I mean, I've slept through a few sessions. Derek knows that. If he doesn't get a message from me, he's not going to shoo my mouth somewhere. He's going to shoo by falling asleep because I've had a long day or something. Appreciate the commitment, though. I mean, I recruited you from
00:52:27
Speaker
the university server. No one can say which one. Were you part of the recruitment for that at the beginning of the year? Because I've heard that year it was horrendous. It was horrendous. And yes, I was. I got very annoyed from that. Oh, that's it. That's it. They did a group match thing where they matched you up with other people. They had you fill out a form of common interests.
00:52:58
Speaker
what modules, what system you're interested in, just general preferences, and then match you with a DM who also filled out a similar but different survey. Nothing in person. Filling those out wasn't in person, but the goal was to have you in person.
00:53:24
Speaker
Because it was all just through the university. So it was like, well, everybody's near or on campus or can get there. So, yeah. Yeah. I was excited because I've only played D&D in person like two times.
University Game Recruiting and Prophecy Skepticism
00:53:42
Speaker
But I got matched up and the DM wanted to do a one shot. And we met up for the one shot. It was, I think he was doing Fandelver.
00:53:54
Speaker
Uh, he didn't really, he was unforgiving and we TPK'd on the first session for, uh, well, it was a one shot, but we TPK'd in like an hour and a half maybe. Um, okay. But I didn't really have a problem with that. It was a one shot. Um, then he said that he just like wanted to feel it out for like how we are as players and stuff like that. And then, uh,
00:54:23
Speaker
He wanted to do like a Viking homebrew type thing using 5e as the system. And we're all like pretty excited about that. Had ideas that like we shared with him and like made our characters and stuff like that. And then he ghosted us.
00:54:44
Speaker
like a month after. A month after like preparing and like making the characters and all that, it ghosted us. I heard that happen a lot. A lot of people I've spoken to that was the case. And like I messaged him like like very understanding too like
00:55:02
Speaker
Hey, I completely understand if you don't have the time. I'm just wondering if it's happening or not. And like I'd see him online on Discord and he just wouldn't reply. Then I like. Message like a representative in the club or whatever.
00:55:24
Speaker
And they're like, yeah, we'll look into it. We're gonna do another matchmaking thing, but they'll message him. And then the representative ghosted me. I messaged them later, like, is there any update on that? And they just never responded.
00:55:41
Speaker
So it's like, okay, I guess I paid the membership for the club and I'm just not going to get anything out of it. And then one day I just saw your message and like, I don't know if it was like the general chat or what, but I was like, ah, fuck it. I'll see. Well, cause you know, they've diverged this year away from
00:56:04
Speaker
They've split into two societies. So this year they're doing a campaign fair. So you go in person and each DM has a table and they have like a list of, I think, they have a sign up sheet that they can fill in and each person gets like a star. That's like their top campaign. So they can put on. So that's what I'm going to attend and see if I can run. That sounds better.
00:56:34
Speaker
There's more commitment involved with that. So I would hope that if a DM is actually setting up there, that they're actually going to follow through with it. Yeah. I mean, at least I will. Well, yeah. I want a third group. A third group? Are they going to be setting another universe as well? Or are they going to be setting another universe? No. I trust you won't ghost them. No way. Maybe I'll throw a curveball and do it.
00:57:04
Speaker
surprise you're not in a campaign anymore just to fuck with people hey they've got to get used to it i'll tell them i'm doing it and then stop and then give them three different dates with three different campaigns yeah but you guys didn't have like a no swearing thing on this did you no no no okay okay okay um i just realized
00:57:33
Speaker
He's been spitting that out there, okay. Sorry to interrupt. You guys got full confirmation on your prophecy? Well, I wouldn't call it confirmation on the prophecy. I'm still skeptical. We got told that was the only prophecy he wrote that was like... So like, it could be true. But then, I'm still skeptical. Because I'm going to go...
00:58:00
Speaker
exclusive information that's barely giving anything, but Tyr does not. Well, okay. I, as a player, I don't trust Nathaniel, was it? Oh yeah, Nathaniel, yeah. I don't trust him for, I think, good reason.
00:58:21
Speaker
That's the only thing I'll give, but I don't know about that prophecy. No, I'm skeptical. We have three prophecies, and one is from a prophet man who's really accurate. But as you said in one of the sessions, he just knew the stuff. He knew about the kings, but he didn't know it in detail. So why would he know it in detail? Prophecy like that. So I'm skeptical. I don't think it's necessarily the correct one. Like half our party do, maybe.
00:58:51
Speaker
I don't. I don't know. It seems a bit off. It seems a tad bit off than it. I don't think I'm going to trust any of them at this point. Personally.
00:59:05
Speaker
you also got a lot of information about the siblings i mean i say a lot yeah yeah you've got like a very small thing yeah and who said three siblings because now i'm a suspect for some reason i don't know who mentioned three siblings because um uh give me yeah it looks like it started again yeah um though
00:59:31
Speaker
I said my piece about that conversation, so I'll leave it there. You've got more information about the siblings. I mean, not a lot, but I mean, I think I gave you a lot of information about the siblings. You might disagree. You said we may or may not have seen them, and then... You may or may not have seen them. Some or all of you might have seen some or all of them.
01:00:00
Speaker
Yeah, so my interpretation of that, at least, is that Tyr wasn't there for the first bit, so I'm like, well, I probably didn't mean that. Mine was that Dan's not mystical enough to have seen them, and there is no one of large notice.
01:00:20
Speaker
that is that mystical to see them as in like like Dan's very plain and doesn't have like the most insanely like god related backstory so I just Dan's never seen him because Eva there's like one of two things Eva A they've actually been in the campaign at some point
01:00:40
Speaker
Or B, they were in people's backstories because people's backstories are related. Which is why it would be some of them as opposed to like all of us would have seen them. So I don't think Daniel Finnan has. I'm guessing Tyr hasn't. And then I think the other three have because based off the reactions that came last session. There was a lot of reactions. Let's do something fun.
01:01:09
Speaker
roller d20 now alex if you get above a 15 i'll tell you if you've met one or not oh let's get some live rolling fish here we go can i do that too actually no not 15 not 15 18 18 18 and yeah Michael can do it as well come on lucky dice a 20 i'm not even joking can you see it wait i got 18 18 okay
01:01:44
Speaker
I'm not going to tell you which is which. Okay. One is a yes and one is a no. Oh bollocks. I'm satisfied with that.
01:02:04
Speaker
See, we're all in the lateness. Can I have him just thinking now? Damn. I have maybe a thing to help torture Alex. Have you added the new maybe additional line in the lore document after talking about Tyr's backstory?
01:02:33
Speaker
no i haven't yet but i i will there's more law oh that might be the most important line ever you want you haven't had it yet dav we have purely done that just to torture Al
01:02:50
Speaker
As is tradition. This is why I can't wait to be a DM. You know all the secrets. I don't even know what secrets I'm going to have. To be fair, we've already got secrets from your backstory. The players make the secrets. The players do make the secrets, yeah. There are people that I'm going to get on that I know from here.
01:03:13
Speaker
who I'm going to tell all the law to before they come on, just so they know. You bastard. They're coming together with ideas. I know they're listening right now, and I'm going to keep referring to you as someone rather than giving you a name. It's funny. Fair.
01:03:38
Speaker
Well, you could say torturing me is horrific. Speaking of horrors, how did you do that? It's your favourite part. How bad is this one? On a scale of 1 to 10? Honestly, I can't remember when I read this one, but the title is Mr Hyde, so I can imagine it being gay.
01:03:59
Speaker
okay interesting story yeah that's rough and this stuff doesn't hate yde or has it died yes okay um yeah it's like a weird mr man
Player Behavior Challenges and Future Plans
01:04:14
Speaker
So this actually starts with an explanation as to why they stayed with this person for so long. They said, I like this player a lot. We get along great outside of these incidents. And he made wonderfully creative characters that he really, and he really got into role playing. I loved playing with him. Otherwise, I would never have tolerated this as long as I did.
01:04:35
Speaker
OK, so fair enough. We're going to call him Jekyll to protect me. That's really bad. Yeah. So they call him Jekyll. I played with Jekyll for over a year. So these incidents were few and far between, but explosive. Jekyll is the perspective of a DM or a player? DM, apparently. Yeah. Jekyll had and there's there's like the Ulysses, what they call the little full stops, a temper.
01:05:07
Speaker
Once it got set up, Jekyll became Mr. Hyde, totally different person to a frightening degree, inconsolable, swinging swears and insults, all caps, and it got set off by the smallest slight. You never knew what was going to cause Jekyll to turn into Hyde.
01:05:25
Speaker
Pi saw a big bad being up on an NPC. NPC was a piece of crap person. Big bad was clearly telegraphed as something you'd think twice about firing. It wasn't that the party didn't help the NPC, it was that they hesitated. Boom, Mr. Hyde was in my DMs all capping.
01:05:42
Speaker
Jekyll went to negotiate with the Queen of Air and Darkness of the unseally court. Jekyll was playing a feyblood, so he was really looking forward to this. Party's face came along because Jekyll was not playing a charismatic character. Things went great. They released her on the mortal realm, and a bunch of people they wanted to die died. After the game, though, Hyde was in my DMs, screaming that this was his scene alone.
01:06:11
Speaker
Over the course of a year I had to talk Jekyll down these tantrums against other players three times. I stood between Hyde and other players so they never knew this was happening. Twice the tantrums were directed at me. He brought me to tears the first time because I didn't play his character's sister the way he thought they should have been played. The second and final time was when I invited a player to the game without consulting Jekyll first.
01:06:34
Speaker
Scream that he was quitting. I said okay if that's how you feel because at this point I was done with Jekyll's crap. This is extremely stressful to deal with. That's when Jekyll went from mad to Mr Hyde because I wasn't trying to talk him into staying. That was the last straw and the last time I spoke to Jekyll or Hyde.
01:06:57
Speaker
Yeah, basically, a man with anger issues decides to scream at DM every time he did something didn't go his way. Basically, basically man child. Yes. It feels like it's a crazy main character syndrome. I get definitely main character syndrome. Yeah.
01:07:24
Speaker
I always wonder with stuff like this, what's going on deeper, not that it's the DM's responsibility to probe into the person's mental health. But if something like that is happening, then it's like, is there a mental thing going on with them that's affecting, making them more reactive stuff like that? And it's not a valid excuse to take it out on other
01:07:52
Speaker
players and your DM, but it's like, it's just an unfortunate situation it sounds like.
01:07:58
Speaker
Like, everybody loses here. Yeah. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, definitely. Especially if they're like pleasant outside of those situations. Yeah. Like, at least they explained why they put up with it. Because you don't get that a lot on here. You don't get a lot of people being like, oh, yeah, we played for like a year and there was all this problems before we gave up. I was like, most of the time, you're like, OK, why? But like, by the looks of it, they were good friends. But I feel like if they were like good friends and they've probably played D&D before, I'm surprised they weren't aware.
01:08:29
Speaker
that this person had. It could have been something that developed. And at that point, if they're good friends and it's like talk about it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. Thoroughly outside the game, like not just like, are you OK? But like, I feel like that requires like a thorough like check in and maybe like you should take a break. Yeah. Yeah. I yeah.
01:08:53
Speaker
It's definitely a complicated situation but like if your friends was that person and like they said their friend out of game I definitely feel like you can approach them and be like is there like anything you want to talk about anything that's going on at home or you know. Yeah good on the the DM for like not letting Mr Hyde
01:09:13
Speaker
argue with the players yeah like yeah of course just just in to the dm like which is a bit rough for the dm but i yeah fair enough on them for for not letting arguments ensue with the players because an argument for players is is a very a very big thing so yeah all that being said like with the worries and stuff like that like at the same time like there's no room for tantrums no room to act like we're in a playground
01:09:40
Speaker
exactly you know like complaining at someone because they didn't play the sister how they thought they should have been played maybe if you told them like exactly how they should have been played it would have been played like that i don't know um because and there wouldn't be a reason to not play the character as they've been played but most of the time
01:10:01
Speaker
It's kind of like the DM's discretion is what I find. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely main character syndrome. Oh well, shit happens I guess. Yeah. worldwide phenomenon, main character syndrome. Yeah. You mentioned earlier in the episode about a throw that you might have had. If you want to share that, you can. If you don't want to share it, we can just move on. Yeah. It's entirely up to you.
01:10:31
Speaker
next time. I have a lot to share. We'll definitely get you back on. And I had fun. I had a lot of fun. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry to ruin your next segment.
01:10:59
Speaker
But yeah, I think by the next time you come on, maybe it will be hopefully we would have started my campaign. Hopefully, hopefully. So I mean, take your time. I know you guys have like a lot of guests and stuff coming.
01:11:12
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. We're very busy. Yes, very popular. When's Brennan? Oh, he's pushed back really hard. Next month, next month? Yeah, he's been called off again soon. You can't seem desperate to him. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Cool. Yeah, I think that's all unless...
01:11:41
Speaker
You wanna, oh shout out, do you wanna shout out anyone? Any small creators that you're a fan of? There's this podcast called Lich Please. I hate to say it, I only really watch big creators. I'm not a supporter of the arts, I'm sorry.
01:12:08
Speaker
But I support this one. Nice. I'm also not on TikTok at all. That's fair. I only have TikTok for the glitch please. There. I barely use it. Cool. Thanks for coming on.
01:12:30
Speaker
Yeah, of course. We'll gladly do it again. Yeah. Oh, there's one thing I don't think we've actually spoken about is the god name.
01:12:44
Speaker
because you have the name of a god, and I've had to change the pronunciation of one of the gods just because of, kind of, because you're Tyr, you're Tyr, and then there's Tyr. I thought about talking about this when introducing myself as Tyr on this podcast, not like originally. Yeah, so Tyr is Tyr, Tyr is the nickname for Tyr.
01:13:12
Speaker
Tyr's full name is Lael Tirion of Elem. I went by Tyr because it was easy. It was easy to say. I didn't go by Lael because there's a Lashara and a Lyla.
01:13:28
Speaker
And then, so I said Tyr, and then I realized that there's a god in your campaign, which is also affiliated with my backstory. Yes. Tyr, or Prr. And then not only that, but then I played Baldur's Gate in September, and realized that in Forgotten Realms, there is a god named Tyr.
01:13:59
Speaker
How did I fuck this up on so many levels? I remember loading up Baldur's Gate and I think I asked you like this session after and I was like, did you go to because of the God in Baldur's Gate? That's exactly what I was like.
01:14:13
Speaker
There is no relation. There's no inspiration. It's just a bad lot. Cool. Well, I think after I just forgot that important question that I meant to ask at the very beginning, we'll end it here. Thank you very much for coming on. I'm going to give us a watch on Spotify, YouTube, Google, Amazon.
01:14:41
Speaker
Apple? Smash that like button. Yeah, definitely smash the like button. Yeah, I do that. Yeah, every week. Yeah, every week Saturday at 2pm if Alex gets it out on time. Yes, I definitely didn't forget recently to schedule it. Cool. Yeah.
01:15:07
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