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Lich Please! - Episode 5
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This week we are joined by two guests Rosie and Emma, whom are players alongside Alex in the campaign Iwan runs on Mondays.
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Transcript
Introduction and Guests
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to episode four of the Literally Please Podcast. As always, I'm Juan and I'm here with my co-host, Alex. And today we have two very special guests joining us. Two of my players who have been playing with probably the longest currently. Going on two years now, we have Rosie and Emma joining us. Hello. Hi. Yeah, this feels strange. Yeah. It is. It's a different experience, isn't it?
00:00:30
Speaker
It is, definitely is, yeah. Yeah. A little less intimidating than we normally start doing because I'm not showing role initiative, but you don't wake up.
Role-playing Nuances
00:00:43
Speaker
that's because there's not an impending sense of danger when we're on the podcast yeah and everything you want says you have to be like okay is it actually what he says or is he like revolving something or double meaning yeah you can read between the lines and be like
00:01:04
Speaker
Does that actually happen? Yeah. Are you nice or are you just playing with this? Hey, hey, I've given you guys some fun magical items like the skull bombs and the wet pebble. I mean, the wet pebble was weird. I saw it was like a glowing present. That was, that was a strange one. I'd forgotten about the glowing present. Really? Yeah, yeah. I mean, we never understood why it was, but fair. I mean,
00:01:31
Speaker
Officially at the minute, one of your magic items is the smartest member of your party. That's just how it is though, isn't it? The most intelligent member by like two points.
00:01:53
Speaker
Yeah, fight back sword. That sword won't even let me touch it. Disgusting. Wow. It's great. That's why I love it. What's your sword? Yeah. It is my sword. I love it. Yes. She called me. What did she call me?
00:02:12
Speaker
I don't think we should be repeating that so vocally here within a minute of a podcast starting. Yeah, the song was not pleased by you touching it. No, I mean... Classic first question on the pod.
Getting into D&D
00:02:32
Speaker
How did you guys get into D&D? I mean, I think I know the answers for one of you at least. But yeah, how did you guys get into D&D?
00:02:42
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think I started watching critical role as a lot of us. And I saw that nearby game stores had like initiation lessons
00:02:59
Speaker
or just like a session to get to know each other and so on. So I just went for it all on my own in a group of all guys because there were a lot of guys and I was the only woman. But then that was so awesome that I just started looking for groups to play in.
00:03:22
Speaker
And for me, it was easier to play online. So I started to look online and then with university and so on. I also found some groups in the city where I study. So it was like a lot of little groups that aren't currently playing anymore, but just tasting from a lot of different kind of D&D groups.
00:03:51
Speaker
And then I found you guys. And now it's like, how many years later? Two years? It's like two and a half almost, yeah. No, no, no. I think it was five in September, right? Yeah. It's a very long time. It's like two and a bit. It is, because I was still in my old house then. And I've been here for a year and a bit now. Almost two. I had just graduated. So it was 2021. Yeah.
00:04:20
Speaker
It's a long time. Yeah, yeah. It's a long time. Two years, yeah. Group life, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's like... How I started?
Reflecting on Past Campaigns
00:04:34
Speaker
It's a long time, yeah. I mean, it's just me and Emma left from the original group, but... Yeah. Best two, obviously, but... I think the original group was...
00:04:50
Speaker
you two um yeah m yeah and i can't remember who the other one was alex alex our friend my friend alex yeah my dm guru my first dm i was was in the first one yeah
00:05:13
Speaker
I can't believe you guys haven't done this before. Yes, but she wasn't original, but she got added later on when we lost Alex. Oh yeah, Swish did. I always forgot that. If it's still the same Facebook group chat, there's quite a few people that's been in with you. We're still a lot of people. Yes, some people have left in as legacy players. Yeah. Yeah. Some of them come back occasionally. A lot of NPCs are like,
00:05:39
Speaker
I'm gonna disappear, I guess. I'm still waiting for Rose to show up, randomly. I know, I'm waiting on it. I feel like she's just gonna appear one day and where people are like, oh!
00:05:50
Speaker
yeah i have told her to message me privately when it happened she wanted to come so you guys don't know it's happening i thought it would be so good if it was just like a surprise and she's like straight into the disco that'd be so funny i've got i've got some pants i've got some things up my sleeve i know you do you always ask me a risky business that that sentence was i've got some plans i don't know if you've got me a bit scared cool so i mean we've spoken about my home real world a couple of times
Homebrew World and Themes
00:06:21
Speaker
But now, as we have more players, now would be a good time to speak about it more at length. Sure. Yeah. I mean, it definitely has a Game of Thrones-y vibe, I think, but it's less... I've not seen it. It's less intense than Game of Thrones, I think. Yeah. I mean, currently it is. A lot less sex in it, to be fair, which is good. That's how we like it. Yeah, I feel like that would probably be...
00:06:50
Speaker
quite awkward for you. Wednesday have been relatively randy compared to you guys.
00:06:59
Speaker
I think like in session zero we discussed it and some of the party members weren't completely comfortable with it. I think it was Lashara, I had it down in my list and it was like I think the question was how would you guys feel about encounter romances and it was Lashara who's not down to fuck which is why we're down edge and everyone else is down to fuck.
00:07:28
Speaker
I think we all pretty much agreed that that is not an aspect that we want to explore, which is good. I'm not down to do that. There was that time in the town when we were there for a week.
00:07:50
Speaker
Yeah, that was a really strong lady. It's definitely in a store right now. Yeah, that was close. How do you guys think you're doing?
Prologue Phase and Secrets
00:08:08
Speaker
In terms of like progression? Like however you interpret that question, how do you think you guys are doing? I mean,
00:08:17
Speaker
As strange as it sounds, I feel like we're still in the prologue. We still have to get to know each other, have to get into our character almost a bit, shape it more, and find out the dynamics between each other and so on. So I think we're still early on and have a lot to develop and so on.
00:08:43
Speaker
I definitely agree, yeah. We are 23 sessions in. We're still figuring each other out. It's actually been 23 sessions already, wow. I think it's about in game a month.
00:08:58
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it doesn't help that everyone is like really secretive. That's true. That's not. I mean, that's not. That's not. That hides nothing. Nothing. To say everything. Everything is written on that boy's face. That is true. That is very true. Yeah. I mean, I think everyone is part of the fun.
00:09:27
Speaker
It is. Yeah, no, it definitely is. Because it's actually getting us thinking about the campaign, which Yuan is already very happy about. We have conspiracy chats. I think that to me as a DM is like one of the greatest compliments I can have is that you are like plotting and conspiracy. You show that you're invested and I'll really appreciate that, that'd be good.
Conspiracy Theories and Note-taking
00:09:50
Speaker
I mean, we have two rights. We have one with Lashara and Leila.
00:09:57
Speaker
One without him. Yeah. The sneakiest ones. They're the ones with the most height. There's something going on there and we're going to find out. Oh absolutely. We do lore dives like
00:10:14
Speaker
weekly. We learned something new. We're like the law gremlins that have like read my Bible. I know so much about this. I've got a tab open with it right now. I keep one open every session. I have it open just in case I need to refer to it because it's just it's just important. It's very important. Yeah. I mean, I still have to like
00:10:43
Speaker
bring out structure in my notes because like right now everything is just written down and I have to like categorize it and like this is something about the characters, this is something about the lore and so on so I still have to organize it. Organize, that's very organized. Mine's just always scribble and I read it and I'm like what does that mean? That's true. And I'm like I still remember, it's fine.
00:11:09
Speaker
So I mentioned before we started that Wednesday do something that I was going to bring up today. They have a Google Doc where they can all edit and they take together during a session.
00:11:21
Speaker
Oh, that's a good idea. That's a really nice detail. See, I don't think I don't. Everything's in my head. The only thing I have on notes is Dan's birthday, the calendar, and that list that I got, I don't know, maybe 10 sessions ago of the merchants or people to hire to work for me. That's it. That's all my notes.
00:11:51
Speaker
I don't take any notes. Everything's always in my head. No, no, oh no, I've got the rats written down, of course I've got the rats written down. But they're all shown as well. Do you want to talk about the rats? Yes, yes please. I love the rats. I feel like we need to talk about the rats. Yes, yes, so that.
00:12:08
Speaker
Well, you are the rat man. Yeah, Ben is the rat man. Basically, for people listening, in our campaign, we, me and another character called Tyr, have basically robbed some rats and put them in a bag of holding that only holds rats, the rat pack.
Character Development and Pacing
00:12:31
Speaker
Yeah.
00:12:32
Speaker
The purpose is, rats is like a big theme of food in this campaign. Yes. Food and alcohol, believe it or not. Yes, it is. So we wanted food on the road. Obviously, there's rations, but environmentally friendly. We can grow our own food if we have a rat pack. So that's what we've done. And then we've named them all. There's a lot of names.
00:13:00
Speaker
And we've got like Leonardo DiRario, Quentin Paracetino, yeah.
00:13:07
Speaker
Obviously... Scarra, go hands-in. Yeah, Scarra is a big fan. Maybe the best name. And it's integral, because every session since we've had the Rat Pack, I think we've gone searching for rats. Last time we found eight. Four girls and four boys. It was perfect. We're going to grow so many rats. I mean, do we already have names for them?
00:13:35
Speaker
uh the the one we found last time yeah there's somewhere i don't remember i'd have to look at my notes to do this yeah there's a lot of names uh i think q ratman was one of them if i remember it's up my way yeah there was some good ones just it was all just rathoms it was great there's so many so many
00:14:05
Speaker
I feel like Steve Buscemi is possibly one of the better ones. There's no rat pun there, it's just Steve Buscemi. We've got a rat channel, we've got pictures and I just sent in a picture of Steve Buscemi for Steve Buscemi.
00:14:24
Speaker
We were looking for pictures of the rats. It got interesting. For me, and what I really like about this campaign is, I think we did the other campaign, which was the fantasy high inspired one. And that felt quite fast paced. I mean, within a year, you guys were a lot, level 10, 15, something like that. So like we blew through levels really quickly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:14:55
Speaker
So I wanted to do something slower and really have that sort of progression of... I mean, I think I've taken the point where maybe it's too slow for you guys right now. I have the crippling needs to get my homebrew to subclass in June! In June! And I've still not been able to do this. Oh, you've fallen off three. It's sadly. You've fallen off three.
00:15:16
Speaker
Alex, the fact that you home booed your own one makes me want to live with you up last. I just knew it. I knew it. That's me. My own real subclass has 11 views and like six ads. I'm basically famous. So it's got to be, we've got to play it.
00:15:34
Speaker
It's amazing. I'm excited to see this. You keep talking about it. It's good. The first iteration was quite overpowered. It was a little bit overpowered. It was like the first overpowered. The level 17 one I gave myself was really not like it. The level 17 was just essentially pointless.
00:15:55
Speaker
yeah it was um it was basically like well i can say it because it's not in it but it was um i think i had like uh my armor class by five but then every enemy had to attack me and wanted to attack me unless they saved them a throw but like i would have died like regardless of my armor class i just would have died they would have killed me there wasn't even like a mitigation of has to be melee attacks it was just like everything to attack him that round
00:16:31
Speaker
Nothing I don't think apart from that one got removed everything was just toned down
00:16:38
Speaker
Yeah, and then some got changed for like the levels where they go up and stuff and whatnot. Yeah, progression rather than nothing. Yeah, nothing was essentially removed really, which is cool. Yeah, it's very interesting. It is. Still, you guys are going to have to wait until level three to find out what that is, because it will spoil everything. Which I think is going to be a while because we've got your campaign coming up.
00:17:04
Speaker
yes yes we do how far are you planning that now actually quite but i've decided to stop for a bit because then i was looking at the map i was like we've still got ages before uh we we start mine like december i was like okay
Future Campaign Plans
00:17:21
Speaker
I'm just going to slow down a bit because I was like bum rushing everything. I was like, yes, I have to finish it all now. I was like, yes. And then I realised, oh, but if something comes to me, which you did, and that's what I put in chat earlier, if something comes to me just on the fly, I'll just like write it down. Or if it's something like important, you guys might want to know, per se, all the gods are going to be Greek. I will just send it into the chat. I love that. So excited for that.
00:17:45
Speaker
Yeah, I'm happy about that. That's cool. Are they going to be like pirate version of the Greek gods though? Yeah, they won't be Greek. They're Greek gods, but they won't be they won't be from Greece, right? Their names will be Greek still, but they will not be from Greece. You know what I mean? Like it won't be the big policies and structures to worship Greek gods. It will be different. But you guys will find that out eventually, won't you?
00:18:12
Speaker
I have one minor request for your campaign. Sure. Oh God. I want you to include Black Bart, Bart TV. Sure, sure, sure. I mean he's a famous ass pirate. Yeah, yeah, I mean that would be famous pirate style pick up here. I follow Mu Rogers, he wrote the pirate code. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah, that would be famous pirate style pick up here. Yeah
00:18:40
Speaker
No, I'm planning to have famous pirates rip the Ikea version of famous Ikea, a liberal version of famous pirates. There might be some non-real pirates that are related to things I really enjoy. I'm not hinting at any sort of thing I really enjoy. The reason I said this is because I think he is the inspiration for a certain pirate king in a certain anime that Alex really likes.
00:19:07
Speaker
I don't know what anime that is. I've never talked about it. It's strange, right? The days look like that. Lovely. Something piece, something like that. Yeah, two pieces, three pieces. I think so, yeah. A couple pieces. Who knows? One piece. There will absolutely be one piece of references.
00:19:34
Speaker
And I've made, in my brain, I've made it that if there'll be really low keys, so if anyone spots it, in my brain, it's going to be like, you can get an inspiration because you spotted a hidden reference. I might just do that for references though. I might be like, oh, here's a really, really hidden reference. If you do spot it. I'm 40 episodes in right now.
00:19:52
Speaker
If it wasn't, I am... You're not gonna get any of the references. I'm getting over the hump, I think. You know, I've crossed the hill and I'm joking. I can see your face and you look horrified. There's no hump! Oh dear. So you've done, you guys have done, we did Lost Mines.
Favorite Characters and Meta-discussion
00:20:21
Speaker
Yeah, we did the fantasy high home brew. Yeah. Yeah. And then we've done this one of the three. Who is who's been your favorite character that you've played? Great question. Rain was good. She was so I am a huge fan of rain rain was great. Do you want to briefly explain rain to Alex? How do I explain her?
00:20:50
Speaker
Just killing, loving me. Loving violence. I mean with kindness. I also think ADHD and block capitals represent rain to a tear.
00:21:04
Speaker
Just like every impulse she would get, like normally you would be, oh I won't punch that guy. Rain would just do it. Even if she knew like it was a bad idea, she just did it. Like no impulse control.
00:21:25
Speaker
That sounds absolutely great, I'm not gonna lie. She also had twin rolling pins that she had. Yeah, I was gonna say, her weapon were just rolling pins. It was so good. Yeah. It was so good. That is pretty cool. Rain was an effort, to be fair. Rain was really good. I think we will circle back in that campaign eventually. For like some one-charts or something, we'll circle back. Yeah, that would be good. Yeah, I definitely want to play my druid again. That would be good. But I think Finan is my favourite and my villain.
00:21:54
Speaker
I love him. He's my bard in the current campaign. Little half-elf bard. And I just love him. He's so sassy. He's just great. See, now that you un-know is that TPK's coming. You shouldn't have said. No, no, no. He's giving you a fin. How's Finn in a shootout? I'm far too invested in this campaign. You touched my blow. I will rage quit. I do think in this campaign, though, we will get some character deaths. I expect a TPK. Probably. I do expect one.
00:22:24
Speaker
I mean, I would be surprised if it wasn't.
00:22:27
Speaker
Yeah, I'd be surprised as well. I think early prediction is going to be Tyr. I love him. He's great. But because we're at the front the most, we get hit a lot. Even though you have Byron wrong class. So early prediction, I think it's going to be Tyr. Only because I also have like second wind and a shit ton potions. I just don't go down. True. But Tyr doesn't have second wind. And stones endurance. He's got some freaky things going on though. He does. He does.
00:22:57
Speaker
Shall we get into that? The group of perfectly normal half-elfs. Perfectly normal half-elfs. So, let us start. What race are you in the campaign? Half-elf? Rosie, what race are you in the campaign? Alex, what are you? Alex, what are you? Alex, what are you doing in the campaign? I'm a double-elf. Yes. Thank you, Dan.
00:23:26
Speaker
We have Lashara, half elf, Tyr, half elf, Lila, regular elf. It's interesting because there's a lot of things that some people do that half elves definitely can't do. Yeah.
00:23:46
Speaker
I think I have the only regular, actual half-elf, it's not something freaky. I think using meta knowledge that everyone is pretty sure that Rosie is the only actual half-elf, but in-game, everyone is a half-elf. I think I know what, out of game, I think I know what nearly everyone's races are. I know what tier is, in my head I know what tier is. I'm not sure, but I have an inkling, I know what he is. Okay, do you want to vocalise your inklings?
00:24:16
Speaker
I think he's an Assamir or Assamir. Okay. I think it's just the wings and the elf-like look. It's possible. Yeah. Okay. I think the Shara is like a half-elf. I'm sure she is. I'm sure. I think she's also a normal half-elf. You aren't smoked. You smoke. I have no idea. No, I'm not smoking. I mean, I know what your Shara is.
00:24:50
Speaker
Astra also knows what the shower is. I have no idea what Astra is. Oh yeah, you've got that secret thing going on as well. I forgot about that. I have no idea.
00:25:00
Speaker
I can't piece it in my head. It's elf-like, but there's so many things that elf-like, it doesn't help. There is, there is, there is. If Tyr didn't have wings, I wouldn't know what he was, but because he's got wings, I'm so sure he's an ace of them. I'm like 95% sure that he is, and the 5% could just be, you guys have made your own homebrew race just for Tyr.
00:25:30
Speaker
And that could be the case. But I do something like that. Yes. Obviously Dan's a Goliath. He's the only one who doesn't look elf-like. Good boy, Dan. That's true. He thinks he's a double elf.
00:25:50
Speaker
And that is not for love. She's a half god. I'm sticking by the fact that she is the child of the Raven Queen. That's what I got for everyone. I think this is off my knowledge of law.
00:26:08
Speaker
your law and D&D law, that is what people are. I still have no idea where Astra is, but I haven't even got conspiracy theories for Astra yet. I've got so many for Liner and Shara that I've not formed any for Astra. Don't worry, I'll come up with some. I feel like we're neglecting you, I'm sorry. We need to work on it, Alex. We need to think up some for Astra. I think I've also been very tight-lipped with details and stuff. You have actually.
00:26:37
Speaker
like completely opposite opposite would like rain from last
Character Backstories and Evolution
00:26:42
Speaker
campaign. She was like, you know, right now I'm just not going to like, I think we're gonna have to work on that. I'm gonna have to also you missed a couple of things and stuff. So that doesn't that doesn't help with the Yeah, with the being there for things which can't be helped to be fair, but many backs you manage to sneak away because you've not been there. Yeah.
00:27:10
Speaker
I don't think anyone speaks about their backstories apart from like no one asks which doesn't help like because no one's asked anyone I don't think apart from us like interrogating Lila right so no one really knows
00:27:26
Speaker
many backstories. Like for instance... Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now! Ask me now!
00:27:48
Speaker
It was like, why are you in this adventuring party? Because Dan didn't be a knight. But there is backstory to that. But you guys won't know because Dan doesn't know. It's my own little side part. I need to make a note to interrogate all of you. Because I need to know. I'm very nosy by nature. I need to know. Anyone else? Because I think you've spoken about this, you've gone in with Dan.
00:28:12
Speaker
an initial idea of what Dan's character is going to be with him being this knight and that's changing to him being a merchant. Has anyone else experienced something similar where you've had an idea for the character and it's changed now that we're 20 sessions in? So I can't believe we're 20 sessions in. Kind of. At first I was just going to have Finn and Bee just like a little happy bard just doing whatever he wants
00:28:42
Speaker
But then I've kind of added like little bits as we've gone on that I can potentially make into like a bigger story if that makes sense. It's nothing major yet, but it's just like a little bit second. What? Nothing. I've written it all down in my back story. I've got a wiggle room, right?
00:29:08
Speaker
You're not doing that again. You're not doing that again. Last time, he said he had a little bit of wriggle room with my backstory. He brought back my parents from the dead and made them the BBEG and we had to kill them. That was his idea. And I worry actually that he's literally what happened. Yeah. That was like a whole big heart of my backstory. I was like, oh, they're dead. Yeah. And then he's like, no, they're not.
00:29:41
Speaker
Yeah. And your guardian, who was your father's friend, is actually your half-brother. No, he was my cousin. Or your uncle. Oh, yeah, your cousin. That was it. That was it. Yeah. Then I found out I had a grandfather I didn't know about as well, so I was just sat there traumatized, getting all this information. But yeah, it was great. I haven't forgiven you long for that. No.
00:30:06
Speaker
never again. So I will never let him have wiggle room with my backstory again. It did make it better. It did. It wasn't good. I was giving away straight freedom from mine. Yeah. For the part you know about that they don't and Dan doesn't, the night part, that part, remember? Yeah. Yeah. Yes.
00:30:33
Speaker
The reason why he didn't become a knight, why he failed the exam, that part, yeah? I'm just going to nod and you can keep talking and I'll read it later. You can't remember. It's hard to speak in code, I can't say anything but I'm sure you know what I'm talking about because it was like the big part.
00:30:57
Speaker
sharing his parents. Dan doesn't know either it's not a thing Dan will know right because it's it's it's what it's i can't fucking say it's just gonna bug me um you'll know what i'm talking about you will you will it's it's it's why Dan failed the exam to be a knight it's why Dan it's the reason he failed the exam to be a knight i'm sure i'm sure he's talking about it i i i promise you i will read it and i will message you so that yes i remember
00:31:27
Speaker
I miss you sometimes if you've got the people who are involved. I feel like saying that one. I'll be honest, there's so much going on in my head that I genuinely cannot remember all of your thoughts. I'm not fast because it's not Dan's character arc here, so I'm more fast. You can do it whenever I don't care. Speaking of, whose character arc are you going to do next?
00:31:55
Speaker
I'm not going to talk about that. Tear. It's going to be tear. I'm throwing power now. It's going to be tear. The way that I think it's come together quite easily is there's a lot of people had backstories I could intertwine really easily. Yeah. No, that's fair. And I had an idea for the campaign and they came with this backstory and it slotted in so perfectly that I just couldn't ignore it.
00:32:26
Speaker
for example, the two prophecies that you got that are differing. I think that works really quite nicely. And that worked really well. The fact that, yeah, I gave that to Lila, like session one. And you guys didn't get the prophecy until like session 12. Yeah.
00:32:47
Speaker
So that wasn't what I was sitting on for a while and working on for a while. And I only had that idea to put it there with when you guys were like, oh, what's that ruin? Should we go there? And I was like, okay, well, it's putting it there then. Showtime. Yeah. I mean, that tie did really well, though, because it was like ancient ruins. Creepy prophecy. I love that. That was great. Like, I love that kind of thing where you're like, ooh.
Character Challenges and Backup Plans
00:33:13
Speaker
But I think location wise, it's probably gonna be two people in this call now in this podcast are gonna, their backstory is gonna start to rise. Ooh, that is not helpful at all. Kinda. I just want to know how forewarning so I can like add to my backstory. Like, are you trying to better? Emotion me.
00:33:42
Speaker
emotionally prepare ourselves for the PTSD. Has your plan for Astra changed at all, Emma? Or are you still very much? I mean, I think like the global plan hasn't changed, but like more so, like personality and so on, like how she portrays herself and like how she interacts with someone.
00:34:12
Speaker
Because I was mainly planning her to be timid and not very vocal. Which is very, very unamour. Yeah, very unamour. Try to quiet down. But then, every time LaShara speaks, from the first session, something happened between us.
00:34:42
Speaker
I feel like Astra can't let that go and like right now she's just focused up on Leshara so I think like to I mean to Leshara she is like another person than the other side of the party because like with Lila everyone is I'm like more like
00:35:10
Speaker
nice and like building flower crowns and so on. But like, Lashara is just battling it out. So I'm still like trying to find how I want to... how her character personality would be. And like, I'm still like figuring it out. So I think it will still change, but I don't know how.
00:35:39
Speaker
I think it's more like that. Yeah, I think I can see that. When I read the character sheet and I was like, I wonder how Emma's going to do this? Because going from rain, it was such a smash cut contrast. Yeah. It was kind of, yeah. I see what you mean there. I mean, somehow it's harder to play, it's harder to play Astro than rain.
00:36:09
Speaker
Cause like Astra is more like, you have to think like, what would she do? Like, okay, I wanna do this, but is this like in character for her? And with Rain, it was just, oh, I wanna do this, I do this. It was like, no thinking, just doing it. That is true. So like, it's, I mean, to be honest, it's quite hard to get sometimes into her character and like,
00:36:40
Speaker
play it as she would so like the role playing is harder this this campaign but it will be fine it's good so uh what are your backup characters i've got one i'm not even gonna jinx it um i mean i know our lady's house is uh we've discussed yours before yes um rosie we've briefly discussed yours
00:37:08
Speaker
We have, that's true actually. I have a few. I just like making characters. I have a choice, but hopefully nothing will happen to Finn in the immediate future. I still have to think about it. I absolutely have no idea. So maybe I should start.
00:37:37
Speaker
I don't think we're at that point yet. This question feels very ominous. I hope not. Yeah, I would like to play Finn and Froo at least a while longer, because I think he's got more... Where to add? That sounds so cheesy, but I think he does. Yeah, I don't think any character at the minute has got to a point where their death would be narratively satisfying. Yeah.
00:38:03
Speaker
yeah maybe once we reach the end of the goblin the goblin arc maybe there will be something there that people are like i'm done playing this person now and they can die they can die you're just looking at the excuse to TPK oh new characters anyone no i don't i think the the campaign would only work
00:38:24
Speaker
as a continuation, in my mind, that I've got planned right now, if things continue with this party, with maybe one or two new additions. Yeah. Okay. I mean, I've already envisioned how Dan's gonna die. Like, it's either he'll die saving the world, or he'll die doing something so stupid. Like, you have no idea what he's done. He'll just die. Yeah, that's evil. It's one of them.
00:38:53
Speaker
I will tell you now, I don't like the trope of adventurous saving. I know it's pleasing for you guys and you want to save the world. I'm not a huge fan of that trope. I think it's ridiculous. It's kind of overdone, I think. I mean, yeah, it's satisfying it. Yeah. But I would much rather have like something happen that then adds into something. And like, is it that way?
00:39:22
Speaker
And then it gives people fuel like, ah, revenge rather than it's because I'm dark. I'm like, yeah, add some more trauma into the backstory. It'd be fine. Exactly. Which is doigle room. Yeah. Not the wiggle room. You're going to make me kill my parents. I think giving you more freedom, this campaign, I think with my backstory. So the wiggle room.
00:39:50
Speaker
Yeah, I think I could see that. There's more room with yours this time. I'm not at the minute sure how I'm going to implement it. I've got some ideas, but I think the way that the campaign is going right now, it would go in a direction further away from the way that yours would go. And because there's more of the party leaving that way, and that's kind of what we're building up to, we're going to follow that for now. But I've got some things planned.
00:40:20
Speaker
Yeah, more trauma.
Favorite Classes and Mechanics
00:40:23
Speaker
I think the important question now, obviously we've been talking about characters and, you know, who's your favourite character and whatnot. Favourite subclass and class? Always an important question to ask that we've definitely asked every episode. I should have been thinking about this beforehand, but no. I think I can kind of guess maybe yours, really.
00:40:51
Speaker
for me it's very transparent yeah go on then tell me what you think it is it's it's like druid ranger vibes forest person i'm not too sure like you float between the two i i do like you playing a bard though i think you play an interesting bard a bard who doesn't cast too many spells is interesting yeah i'm saving them i've been like i literally have a list on my phone 20 sessions
00:41:19
Speaker
I have a list on my phone of vicious mockery insults that I'm going to use. I've just been collecting them. So they're all going to come out. And I've got some other ones for like Tasha's hideous laughter and everything as well. Like all of that. There's lists. Oh, nice. There's lists. So it will come out. I've just been, I want to make it worth it. I don't want to be like, ah, yeah, your mom's weird. It's going to be something good. What is your actual favorite subclass though? Yeah, subclass and subclass.
00:41:49
Speaker
You kind of, yeah, you kind of guessed it. I do like the Druid Ranger kind of. I just feel that I'm able to work better with them. I do love playing a bard, like I am loving it. But I just find I'm able to sort of connect with those characters more. And it makes it, I don't know why, I always make people really sarcastic and cynical. Which is why I'm trying to be the opposite with Finnan. He's kind of like, ah. But yeah, I just, yeah. Druid Ranger.
00:42:18
Speaker
anything green really as you can tell I think definitely like melee class because I'm not good with spells like
00:42:39
Speaker
it's it's too much like you have like a big list of of all the spells you can use and like you forget about one and you have to prepare them and it's it's just too much for me so like just melee classes i one time i played like
00:42:59
Speaker
a swashbuckler broke and it was very cool it was very fun to like go in do a lot of damage and also have like bonus action disengage and so on so you would like go stab retreats like just the attack and retreat would be very fun and like there's a lot of interesting stuff you can do with it like
00:43:28
Speaker
mechanically so i think that one also barbarian was just fun like jazz was good yeah that was good very straightforward but it was but it was funny the way you played it though it was just it wasn't just like ah yeah rage all the time but it was it was funny the way you said it yeah no it was like i would forget about my rage yeah you would yeah literally
00:43:58
Speaker
I had to make, like, a big note, like, don't forget to rage. Don't forget to rage. I think there were a few times where I was like, are you writing, Emma? And you're like, yep. Then I'm like, okay. Oh, yeah. I would probably forget it as well. I'd be like, oh, yeah. And just completely go past it. I would confidently forget it. Yeah. But like, I think there's, I haven't played a lot of classes. So I still want to explore more.
00:44:27
Speaker
Because I think I want to try through it. That could be a range. No. I really want to play like a board. Because I would be... I think you'd be a great board. You'd be an amazing board. No, please don't.
00:44:48
Speaker
I mean, I'm thinking about playing a bard for Alex's campaign. So yes, please do. You would make such a good bard, it would be so funny. And with the idea of everyone being old, it's like extra funny. I can't wait for this, it's gonna be so good. It started out as a joke that we're all gonna be OAPs and now everyone's like, no, we're actually doing this.
00:45:18
Speaker
I think the only person who's come to me and said they don't want to be old is Tyr. So, like, he'll be the young person on the ship. There's got to be a young person. But he's making a goblin. Like, it's fine. He's making a goblin. Yeah, goblin's funny, though. Tyr, I'm going to talk to you because I want to be my adopted goblin grandson. Who I refuse to accept this sentence and just go, my little goblin friend. Yeah. Oh, no.
00:45:48
Speaker
worth. He can be like the care home staff. He's like our carer right for a day trip. Exactly. Yes, that drives me so much better. Yes. So obviously you guys are going to have crew because a ship doesn't work with just six people, believe it or not.
Pirate-themed Campaign Plans
00:46:05
Speaker
So it's up to you guys if you want them old. In fact, what we can do is like you guys can make a crew member yourself and then be like, oh,
00:46:17
Speaker
Here's the crew member I want. I saw him looking in your man's eyes there. He's asking the crew member for this one. It would be probably a crew member each, like the tall people on the ship. That's actually a fun idea. I quite like that actually. I'll have a few plans.
00:46:37
Speaker
It will. It will. Yeah, we can do that. A lot of NPCs, because you guys talked to fucking everyone. There have been times when an immunity card NPC somewhere, and you guys have not spoken to them, and you get to spoken to the most inconsequential person ever. And I'm like, why?
00:47:02
Speaker
Like Elsa. Elsa was funny. Elsa is a recurring character that appeared in... God, was that campaign one? Fandelver. Yeah. Yeah, it was Fandelver. She's been around. She's stalking me. Who
Recurring NPCs and Creative Storytelling
00:47:20
Speaker
leaves? She won't leave.
00:47:23
Speaker
She is possibly the most enthusiastic, fun-loving, joyous person alive and Rosie fucking hates all this. I really do. I don't even know what it was that started it. I think it might have been the voice that you're doing. You're like, oh, hello. And I was immediately like, no, I don't like this place.
00:47:41
Speaker
Why? Everyone's like, she's great! And I was like, no. Get her away from me. And then she reappeared in the next campaign. And Yvonne's like, there's a lovely person here who might look familiar. And I was like, you haven't. You haven't. Hey, guys. No. Get her away from me. And she's in this one as well. You managed to bring her through three campaigns. Just the torment. She travels the universe.
00:48:06
Speaker
I literally just wrote in my notes like Elsa and like a little line, the big bad evil for... Literally, I feel like that's gonna be the end game. It's just gonna be Elsa and me squaring off. I mean, it's so funny.
00:48:29
Speaker
It's just funny. I mean, you don't speak to her much anymore. She's kind of an important NPC, but she's not too relevant to you guys because you can just not talk to her. Yeah. Yeah. I do have a question. Is it going to really inflate my head or deflate it to such a degree that I stopped DMing? Oh, no. You guys have played with me since I first started properly DMing two years ago. Has my style changed at all?
00:48:59
Speaker
Has it been pretty consistent? I'd say it has. I'd just be careful, okay? You need to fit through the door when I say this, all right? Yeah. I'd say it's gotten better. You've definitely, I mean, obviously, because you first started when we did our first campaign, you were just sort of getting into the groove with it. But now I would say, yeah, definitely, definitely better. You've kind of got
00:49:26
Speaker
can tell you've got like subplots in the back of your mind that you're like bringing forward whereas before because you were just starting it was kind of like this is what we're doing let's move on next one which was fine that was great because like some of us we're still like getting used to it and like being online and everything but now you can tell that you're plotting which is terrifying but also good and it's just it flows a lot better as well i find
00:49:55
Speaker
like you can tell it's just a continual flow of like information and stuff sometimes it's like oh my god i need to keep writing this down and i'm like oh no say it again you're like nope too late you missed it and i'm like so much stuff but it's good definitely that's good i also feel like you're adapting better to
00:50:16
Speaker
What we want and what we appreciate. And I think we like the balance between silly stuff, but then also more heavy things. So I think you're better at anticipating what we want. And also the plotting and so on. And it's more intricate. And that's also... It is, yeah.
00:50:45
Speaker
I definitely think, I don't know if you can see this, but it's the one thing I try and take from Dimension 20 is Brennan's balance of the humorous, light-hearted, silly stuff that they do, and then having that tone underneath that does have that cementing you into the world. Definitely, definitely. I think it's something that he does far better than me, but it's like,
00:51:14
Speaker
You'll get there, you'll get there. It's his job. I know, I'll never get there. That's his full-time job. I'm a researcher. You never know. You are. But you could research D&D. I could, but... You could teach your authors to play D&D. Don't say that. I have a master's to finish. Don't say that. Teach your authors to play D&D. That's your way to the top, right there.
00:51:40
Speaker
That's true. You sent us out to our 20s. That's far better. That is true, I do study ons. That is true, we do get auto content. Yeah, I do. You don't get auto content. You don't get auto content. No, no, we don't, no. No, no, no, you don't get auto content. We get random photos of different autos that aren't anything to do with that. Yes.
00:52:05
Speaker
But yes, anyway, yes, your style as a DM has definitely improved. And yeah, like Emma said, probably because you played with us for so long, you can almost anticipate what we're going to do. And you add in different bits that you know that we're going to enjoy or hate, which I think is pretty good. It just makes it more personalized and makes it so much better, honestly. And I also like...
00:52:34
Speaker
I have never felt like you were real, roading us. Okay, that's good. Somehow. You haven't had that sight yet. I don't know how you do it. I don't know how he does it. I bet roadie begs to differ. You don't need a wiggle room.
00:52:59
Speaker
Yeah, but like, I have never felt like you were pushing us in a direction. Like eventually we'll get there. But like, I don't know how you do it. Because we do some very strange things. We do some weird shit. Yeah, we really do.
00:53:20
Speaker
I think that's something I've told to just from the beginning, especially in this campaign. I mean, you guys are aware of what the sort of main story is in this world. Very good, yeah. But you're not... I've told you from the beginning, like, you can choose to follow it and you'll discover more about it, but that story isn't going to stop because you guys aren't delving into it and exploring it. That story is progressing.
00:53:50
Speaker
without you guys. And I think that is something that I try and do. Like, you guys exist within the world, the world doesn't exist for you. Yeah, no, I love that. I think that's a really good game style to do. Like, because you have the main story and then you can go and do all of these like side quests and then come back to it. I think that's not told so much more. Huh? You haven't told us what the main story is.
00:54:18
Speaker
No, I haven't. You guys have an idea of it. You guys have kind of just like... Yeah, but I've not directly told you this is the plot of the campaign. No, you haven't. Sneaky. Which is a way I like to play because you guys can discover... I mean, you guys have done things I didn't plan on you guys doing. Yeah, the button goes.
00:54:44
Speaker
The button gone being a prime example. Yes, Bertram. Some of you can intro that if you want. I don't even know how to. It's so bizarre. So we were in, this was after we failed at escorting a caravan and we were inside the goblin caves and we were finding all of these very strange things like a glowing pheasant
00:55:13
Speaker
suspiciously wet pebble that was just constantly wet for no reason. A skull that was a bomb and a chest full of buttons. And gold. There was gold in there. There was gold as well but the buttons were important.
00:55:29
Speaker
And then we got back to the time. I want to say this for the record. The buttons were not important. I could not state this enough. They weren't. The buttons were not originally imparted. No, that's not sure I wanted to date them. Yeah, one of our party wanted them. So she took this massive chest of buttons and then we got a very weird suspicious note that was like, I can't even remember what it said, but it was like, come to this address. And it was very creepy.
00:55:57
Speaker
And then we went in and there was just this man covered in buttons. He, the most bizarre looking man you could ever see. And he, what was he called? He was called Bertram. On Brown. And there was something. That was the one. There we go. And he became the button god. And then now we made Yuan make a language called buttonish that we have to roll d20s for every setting to try and learn. So he has to come up with a whole, a whole language.
00:56:26
Speaker
Based on these buttons, you forgot to roll your d20, didn't you? No, no, I did. I don't think you're there. Were you there on our last session, Rosie? Were you there? No, I wasn't. No. I rolled another 20. We're two 20s now. It did. Yeah. I think it was last session, wasn't it? It was. It was last session. Yeah, we're two 20s up. Oh, good. Yeah. Alex is going to get their frick. So you better get working by. Yeah. Top on that button.
00:56:55
Speaker
From my point of view, what happened was, I made a map, put a chest on there to make the little map look somewhat pretty. Farsharo sees the chest and goes, is there anything in there? Internally, I go, well, fuck it, there is now, isn't there? Because you've asked about it. Panicked. There is buttons hiding some bags of gold. Okay, fine. Buttons. She'll take the gold and leave the buttons. All the buttons could be important. I'll take the chest of buttons. Fuck, okay.
00:57:19
Speaker
Right, his buttons have got to be worth something now. And they were like, oh, there's a god of buttons and jokes. I'm like, fuck it, okay, there's got to be a god of buttons now. I'm not making him an actual god because I'm not giving them, I'm not making them have made a god in this world. Who is a man. And now there is a, there is the grand order of the arcane button. There are various magical buttons. There are button mantras. There is a, I forget his actual title.
00:57:48
Speaker
grand butternut, his high holiness thegrand.net, his entire button cult, who are always watching. There's different buttons that take you to different planes and stuff.
00:58:07
Speaker
Very filler-y, but we move. There's this button beer. There's two kinds of button beer. There's an actual beer and then there's the one that Bertram makes where he just pours buttons into a glass and hands it to you. Yeah, there is that one, which is not so good for your teeth, but it's just being friendly. Just want someone to talk to. Yeah, he's lonely. Yeah, for good reason.
00:58:35
Speaker
In terms of like when I've DMed, I would say there is possibly one story that you could consider a D&D horror story.
Player Conflicts and DM Responsibilities
00:58:44
Speaker
Which is where I killed Emma outright. Oh yeah! Is this the power word kill story that I've heard about? This is the power word kill story. This is the power word kill story. Happened at the end of a session and I was tempted to leave it there. It was so traumatizing.
00:59:10
Speaker
Rosie has to help me. But basically, we were just rolling around, I think. We were going somewhere, I don't know where, and suddenly, the Queen of the Feywilds,
00:59:28
Speaker
showed up like the big bad evil we were, which was the endgame and like we had to fight to get her seed, which is still a very questionable way. It was a very questionable wording that went on in that campaign. She had God seed.
00:59:50
Speaker
Yeah. Which was still... She suddenly showed up like we weren't expecting her. She just appeared. We were on like a bridge. Just like a stone bridge that was like going into her land. We were flying on dragonflies. I remember this because mine was called Steve. And we had Bob and Dave.
01:00:18
Speaker
I think we have George as well, actually. There might have been a George. Possibly. I don't really remember, but there was. Yeah, there were like big dragonflies and then she just appeared out of nowhere and we were like, oh my God, what are we going to do? And before we could even do anything, she was just like, power word kill. And Ray was dead. No, that's not true. Yes, it was true. No, no, no. Because she gave us the chance.
01:00:47
Speaker
Everyone had the chance to hit her one time. So they did the best trip, that was wrong, yep. When she attacked, I think, Philippa, Rain had a reaction, and attacked her a second time, and then she used Power Word skill.
01:01:13
Speaker
I was a barbarian, so I think I had like above 90 hit points. It was a lot, but... It was like, yeah, it was really high. It was a lot, but as I think power will kill, you have to be above 100 hit points to survive. So like, Rain who was a barbarian with most hit points, like, she just went down, like, just because... Instantly. Yeah, and like...
01:01:42
Speaker
everyone was in shock. We stand silent and then there was just screaming in the disco. We're like, what do we do? Some of us were crying, some of us were hysterical. There was some crying and there was some screaming. I think there was a lot of swearing as well. I think it was mostly me just going fuck. And then she vanished. She disappeared at that point. She did, yeah. And then we had to try and
01:02:11
Speaker
bring you back from the dead while shouting at the demigod that was in our party. Probably useless for not doing anything. Yeah. I mean, he wasn't a demigod at that point. He was a straight up mortal. Yeah, he was made mortal. But we still shouted at him because he didn't like it. He did. He was useless. He was. Pretty useless. But yeah, that was more trauma caused by your life. Yeah. Yeah.
01:02:38
Speaker
But not something that we would consider a true horror story, which I believe Alex has. Yes, yes, it is. That was a goodness intro, by the way. I'm just so screwed. It's just a beautiful segue. Ever. That really surprised me. No, seamless. Yeah. I'm getting so good at this. So the top of this one is group of players attacking another has mentally drained me.
01:03:08
Speaker
I chose this because Yuan, you've been a DM for a while, so I'd imagine you've been mentally drained by players before. Even in our campaign, you probably have. Never on a Wednesday. Mostly on a Monday. I don't understand this. We just like to keep you on your toes. That's all it is. That's all it is. So yeah, so it starts.
01:03:34
Speaker
About three months ago, I started a homebrew campaign. Joining me were a group of four that were all related, siblings and their boyfriends. A friend of mine and another player is the group of four. I mean, where are they from? True. They could be all related to siblings and boyfriends. You're right. You never know. True.
01:03:56
Speaker
Everyone, as far as they've told me, has actively enjoyed the campaign and the way I DM. But over the past 10 weeks, those four that knew each other have actively attacked, accused and gone against the other player, claiming they're clearly evil or shady, that their characters don't trust them and making that player feel actively uncomfortable.
01:04:17
Speaker
Initially, it was kind of interesting when it was just one of them, but you could see where they were coming from. But as it started to get more heated, I actively introduced things to show that, no, this player isn't evil. They're just in a bad situation. It came to the point over the last two sessions
01:04:37
Speaker
where they have brought up minor direct quotes from the player about things as simple as whether they were outside or in an entryway part of their backstory and using slight discrepancies of this player playing a character not ever actually having been in any such situation in real life as means of proof that they're shady. I have never in all my years as DM seen such an active and blatant agenda against another player and I'm exhausted from it. I like to go very deep and hardcore when it comes to lore and character backgrounds for all my players
01:05:07
Speaker
and do what I can to create an interesting story. But when every session gets sidelined because player A has noticed that player B said seven sessions ago at this time on this day isn't exactly the same as what they said this session. It means that my character hates her, has made me want to put my head for a wall. I made the decision after last session to remove those four players and I don't for a second regret.
01:05:29
Speaker
as I do have a couple that want to join, but I'm also guided that those four characters that had fun backgrounds that I was super, super excited for for the party to explore. Basically, players pick on one person, the end gets exhausted. That's like the story. It's short. But I think something has clearly happened in real life with the person who didn't know them and the main group, surely,
01:05:58
Speaker
There's no other reason. They could just be doing it because they think it's funny, but surely. Also, how did the new person get added? They are friends of the DM, I believe. OK, how I see this is the four of them wanted to play D&D as a friendship group. And this DM has added someone new, possibly without consulting them. And they've gone, oh, if we just make them quit, it'll be the four of us again.
01:06:27
Speaker
embracing a new person into the group. That's kind of how I read it. I think at the start, he's so there's six players, I think it's the group of four. So I think it's two siblings and then their respective boyfriends that know each other. And then a friend of the DMS and like a player that was with the DM. So it's not just a group of six, I believe. Oh, okay. That completely gets. Yeah. I agree with you then.
01:06:57
Speaker
Yeah, I just, that's really, it's odd. I mean, obviously it's short, so I think the DM hasn't asked them any questions, right? Because I feel after a certain amount of time of a player getting attacked by other players for just existing, I feel like the DM should have asked them something. Like- The DM should have got involved before he got exhausted after the first session of noticing all four of them picking on someone should have immediately got involved.
01:07:25
Speaker
Yeah, oh yeah. We should have definitely been a chat and been like, is there something that you need to discuss? Like, what is there has to be some sort of like, unless they're all just being petty. If this person has made you uncomfortable, you need to tell me because
01:07:44
Speaker
It is your responsibility to run the game. Exactly. It should be also the job of the DM to like create a safe space. Like if something happens, like I know in our group, if there was a problem with another player, we just send you a message and you would be involved. But like,
01:08:11
Speaker
If you can't create a space as a DM where everyone feels comfortable to go to you and talk about problems between the group members, I think there's something in the dynamic of your group that isn't great. And then I think it's good to talk about it, but also if it's really problematic to remove the players from
01:08:41
Speaker
uh yeah the group but still like we have to talk about it which we have done we had to remove someone if you guys remember um yeah yeah we did which i don't quite remember how that came about i think i got a weird vibe from him kind of yeah just in the way he spoke to some of you guys and i was like i don't like this but like if it just if it's just a mini problem i can't kick the guy out that's my approach to you two
01:09:11
Speaker
And then you were both like, no. I mean, it was, yeah, he was very sort of condescending at times. And he was like, I felt like he played. And it was just, it was a bit much.
01:09:26
Speaker
I felt like he put Emma down quite a lot and I didn't particularly appreciate it. That's just the vibe that I got off it. And the way he would speak to you two was very different to me. And the only difference that is between the three of us on a voice call is gender. Very clearly, that's the only difference. Definitely. And all he ever wanted to do was just attack things as well. It is, it is.
01:09:56
Speaker
No, this was like in the last one. He would, I think it would be also like he, a bit like main character syndrome. Like he wants to be in the spotlight, but for that he would do like very stupid stupid thing. I've been shot, I've been shot. Yeah, but like, you know, the party would be harmed. Yeah.
01:10:22
Speaker
Yeah and that just, it didn't fit with our vibe because we just, we just wanted to have fun but like at the same time we were into like that role play part of it because we wanted to build in the story and he just wanted to do combat after combat and he would try and like start combat when there wasn't any and be like oh when are we gonna fight someone and we were just like we're enjoying doing this why are you trying to ruin it and yes he did keep going on about being shot so it became a running joke for like...
01:10:52
Speaker
Did he tell you that he's been shot? Yeah. Yeah. It got to the point where he, I think he thought you were in on the joke with him and you were like on the other side of the joke. Yeah. It sounds bad but if you'd played with this person you would have seen it. It was just one of those ones where he just didn't, he didn't fit with the group. I'm sure there's a group out there that was perfect for him. We read out the campaign with him and at the end we were like
01:11:20
Speaker
we are going to go in a different direction and we are not inviting you back to play. And that was a very awkward conversation for me to have. Yeah, you did well. It was not a pleasant conversation. I felt bad that you had to kind of deal with that by yourself, but at the same time.
01:11:37
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure everyone, every DM's probably had like bad players. I mean, I get the, I get the, the, the, the luckiness of starting with a group. I already know, but I was also planning the reason. So the reason I asked in chat today about you and the Wednesday group after we finished act one.
Adapting as a DM
01:11:54
Speaker
going to keep on DMing is because I don't I thought you just wanted to break from DMing because I was going to be like oh I can DM my campaign for the Wednesday group after they finished Act 1 if you wanted to. I was going to be like put out that offer. I can float it to them if you want yeah. Yeah like we can do that or I was just going to open my campaign up after like a month or two to other people to DM for like a different group as well. Yeah
01:12:17
Speaker
because it's always interesting to see which way people go in a campaign. I can float to them, yeah, definitely. Yeah, if they're down. I'll play in your campaign twice. I think I'd cry. Yes, you haven't had the pleasure of playing with Yuan yet. It's an interesting experience. It's always very chaotic. You think we're bad.
01:12:44
Speaker
I'm not prepared for this pirate. I'm not mentally prepared. Because this is a pirate campaign, right? And that means a lot of looting. And we have party members who loot a lot anyways, so I'm going to have to figure out so many things in chests. And that's not even a whole of it. There's going to be so much work. We love it. The only time that these guys have seen me play was in Call of Cthulhu, where a shower ran the game.
01:13:10
Speaker
And I didn't know the shower at this point, so I was being respectful. I'm coming for your throat, buddy. That's fine. Yeah. Why are you being respectful? Compare yourself. I mean, you were being awkward with your 90-year-old man with his elephant cut.
01:13:33
Speaker
Who was clearly gay but like... No he wasn't. He had a long-term friend who lived in New Zealand and they shared a bed for warmth in his 40 bed mansion. It was just practical. They weren't too afraid.
01:13:54
Speaker
I mean, we should clarify that the reason this joke was it was 1930s. So obviously not very socially acceptable. That is that was the the gag. Yeah. So it was very ambiguous. Are they? Which was funny. It was Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart is what we were going for. That was the vibes we were going for over there. Two little men. That was the vibes. Yeah. Well, I think
01:14:23
Speaker
everything sorted out by the end of November, like everyone subclu-, like started backstories and subclasses by the end of November. So I have it all wrapped up before December. If we're still looking forward to December 8th. I'm not even a bad idea for a character.
01:14:39
Speaker
So send me the idea. I mean, I'm happy sharing it here. It's it's just it's just like old lady old man. I'm not decided on like the actual thing yet, but it's they he she whatever has gone for a walk in the road and they've bumped into her in their words a lovely young man who asked me to go and collect a few things.
01:15:04
Speaker
And they've been asked to go and collect the finger of a dog, the tears of a dead man, just like a bunch of like really obscure. They're like, oh yeah, I'll just pop out and get them. And they've been given like warlock powers. And they refuse to accept that this person was a demon who's given them like, who they made a pact with. And they're like, no, no, friendly, just a friendly young man who asked me to get a few things. I love it. Oh my god. That's so good.
01:15:34
Speaker
Your other, the character you've sent me is a warlock as well, right? You're going for a cast. It's still a warlock, yeah. Yeah, you're going for a cast. So you decide the warlock. Yeah, I liked your other one, yeah. I do like warlock. I think there's a lot of role play aspect for the warlock that I can explore. I'm kind of the none of you have done warlock so that we can't explore that patron aspect. If Dan died, we would have a cast though, but Dan's not going to die hopefully soon.
01:16:03
Speaker
We have a caster. Yeah, but like a sorcerer or waracle's gonna go. Yeah. I mean, we have two forecasters. I guess, yeah, I guess we do, don't we? Rosie's a forecaster, I'm pretty sure. Bard's a forecaster, then you're a forecaster. I was forgotten, actually.
01:16:22
Speaker
Yeah. Um, but yeah, I want to start algorithms because I think, so Rosie, you sent me yours as well. You sent me your, uh, your idea, which is a really fun idea. I'm not going to lie. I've really started to make stuff for it. I still need to figure out what we're going to do for the class and subclass. Yeah. You haven't seen it. I've seen the hero forges. That's all.
Character Concepts and Humor
01:16:45
Speaker
They're so good. I'm so happy with them. Um, and then, uh, how I do in the chat.
01:16:52
Speaker
which I think is hilarious. As far as I think he's spoken about it before, the Fort Pike Lake Centre is incredible. And I think it's just so good.
01:17:06
Speaker
your idea, Lila and Tear. But Tear said he wants to play a goblin, which I'm excited for because I'm making a goblin. I'm actually making a goblin a goblin. And I've said it in session before, I'm deadly nervous. He's going to be the merchant, like the world's singular merchant. He will be everywhere you need him to be. He'll be there. He just will show up, right? He's going to sound like Borat. I love it. He's going to be amazing. And I want there to be another
01:17:35
Speaker
it's gonna be great i can't wait you make it like a like a nurse jenny officer yeah it's not it's officer jenny nurse joy isn't it that's yeah yeah yeah it's just like they're all cousins and they're all called boblin and they're all like scattered around it will be alphabetical it'll be like a oblin and then and then cobbling and it would just go down to zed
01:17:58
Speaker
and they all sound the same, they'll all be bore out, they'll be like, hello, welcome to my shop, layin' on the cell some things, come by. That's exactly what you're doing, boys. Are you gonna do voices in the campaign? I wanna hear all these different acts. I might, just for bobbling, I'll do a voice, like a specific thing for bobbling, but like some things I might do a voice, I'm not great at a lot of accents, some I can do. So we might, we'll see, if it comes out, it comes out, if there's a voice, there's a voice. I can do some of it.
01:18:28
Speaker
go with the flow. Who pretty solidly and I could do kind of do one which you are never going to hear by the way. I mean, I mean, I still find your doorbell. Yeah. I guess I'm on a tone doorbell in the in the world. Let me walk the vocal chords. I'm on a doorbell now. Yeah.
01:18:57
Speaker
how she's getting to ding dong i still have the recording of that i still have they did that for so long i felt like it was 10 minutes of my real life just going i mean they should do it like multiple times
01:19:25
Speaker
I still have it. I keep that video. It's very, very dear to me. Just because of you. But like, uh, he did good. He does well to put up with all of our shit. He does. Yeah.
01:19:41
Speaker
But Alex, like, I have a pretty good idea of what I want to do for your campaign. I don't know if you want me to share it here or... Go ahead, go ahead. If you want to, I'd love to hear it. I would love to hear it too. It started with, like, the Siren ID in, like, the chats. Oh, yeah. I'm trying. I don't know the gender yet, but I'm...
01:20:09
Speaker
I'll try to make like a bard who is like a siren and like a playboy. I like it. Yes, I love it. And we haven't yet like realized that they're old now and like not really anymore. That's so cool. Nice.
01:20:27
Speaker
And also they had a lot of flings in the past, so they have a lot of exes and children that they don't know. Children! So I'm going to make my own lady. I am definitely making my old lady one of your exes.
01:20:46
Speaker
And I make a list of all the exes and like a little backstory like how they met and how they deported from each other and so on. There's going to be a crew full of your children searching for you just now that's going to be a failure. If you make that character they will exist and they will pop up at some random point. So good.
Role-playing Game Strategies
01:21:09
Speaker
Oh my god we could play them in a one shot.
01:21:11
Speaker
I think what was it two episodes ago we had 220s later and he was telling us about the the game it was either a module or homebrew where they one shied the intro to the campaign
01:21:31
Speaker
um before so he made people make characters now i was debating either not telling you guys that i was going to do that make you make characters you cared about and killed them all in the first set with the one shot or tell you guys which i'm doing um so i want to start mine the same um with the one shot because i'm doing one shots already i've talked about this before that i'm going to do one shots uh in real life and online to do some world building um
01:22:01
Speaker
Well, I want to start the thing with a one-shot that leads into the first mission, whatever, the introduction into the campaign. So just make photo characters at some point, what you guys, just the characters you don't care about. They can have a backstory. But yeah, I thought it was a great argument. I'm going to make a Goliath called Sam, who wants to be a knight. Ah, yes. Has you recently gone into the real estate business out of interest?
01:22:31
Speaker
Oh, no, he actually hates capitalism. See,
Campaign Mistakes and Lessons
01:22:40
Speaker
this is only like the chaos is starting. I think we've spoken a couple of times on today about times that you guys are fucked up.
01:22:54
Speaker
Across all three campaigns, what would you guys say, Alex, you can just say for this one if you want, if you can think of one, which one you think you fucked up the most on? This one. When I didn't read out in the office. That's true. I couldn't be bothered in real life.
01:23:17
Speaker
And I was like, getting ready for it. And then one of our other party members decided to read it for me, which I was quite happy about. And then I was like, oh, no, I should have read that. And then one's like, nope, nope, nothing, nothing's happened. It's fine. And I was like, something should have happened. And he was like, nope, it's too late now. So yeah, I think I definitely messed up on that one. I mean, I think like the session with
01:23:45
Speaker
But power worth kill. I made the second hit, I thought like, I'm fucked. Yeah. I was about to say, that's not your fault. And then I was like, no, wait, you're here twice. Yeah, it was my fault. I should have known, I shouldn't have done it, but I still did it. I mean, it was a wonderful moment, but at that time, it felt like, fuck. Yeah.
01:24:16
Speaker
I think none of us really could believe it happened. We were just like, he hasn't, has he actually done this? And we're like, are we hallucinating? Or does it actually happen? At the end of the session as well. Yeah. Yeah, there was so much discussion at the end of that session. And he was just sitting there giggling to himself. He was like, well, which was infuriating. It was a major struggle. It was. I mean, yeah.
01:24:47
Speaker
What about you, Alex? Well, in the campaigns I've been with you, I can't think of a time Dan's actually properly fucked up. Like, obviously, when we all left for the goblins, but like, that's just, you know. That was a good decision. But like, as a time Dan's fucked up, I don't think he has yet because he will. And I know he will.
01:25:14
Speaker
In terms of other campaigns, like I fucked up really badly in some other campaigns, but like one of them was my first campaign. It just happens. My life lesson from that campaign is never go somewhere by yourself. That's the lesson I learned. It's always a bad idea, especially in that campaign. It was a shit idea. You should never do it. But yeah, honestly, like this campaign, not so much yet. He will.
01:25:43
Speaker
It will happen. It will be a big one as well. There's been nothing major, apart from maybe when... Well, to be fair, that was kind of half of us when we followed this lad into the swamp. And we were like, there is bones on the floor. We shouldn't have done this. And you were just having a little conversation. Yeah, that did end really well. It did. It definitely opened some questions about certain people in the group. But it was a good fight, fighting a massive
01:26:12
Speaker
I mean, the whole part with the sloth was like... Yeah. It was like a fever dream. Exactly. Were they eggy? Are they not eggy? Is it sexually transmittable? In my opinion. When just our brain stops working. On your biggest podcast.
01:26:39
Speaker
Let me set the scene for you, Alex. You've just murdered a relatively major NPC in sort of a modern type of campaign, right? You search their body and you take very hard facts from them. You know, things like keys to their house, keys to their bank vault and things like that. You go home, a couple of months later you remember that you stole keys from this rather important NPC and you've got their bank vault keys.
01:27:09
Speaker
and that they might have some valuable information in their bank. Bearing in mind, you left their body on the playing fields of your school where everyone could find them. And everyone did, and there was a big investigation into this teacher's murder. It's your teacher as well. I don't think I said that. And then you head to the bank vault. You walk in, you open their bank vault by telling the people you'd like to access this person's bank vault.
01:27:35
Speaker
and then you leave expecting it to be okay. What you find is there are police outside ready to arrest you because how would you have this man's keys? The entire time they're in this vault, I'm like, surely, surely at some point one of them's going to go, hang on guys, quick question. How do we host these again? Why are we doing this? Shouldn't we have done this secretly? No. Yeah, I forgot about that of course.
01:28:06
Speaker
To be fair,
Speculation and Theories
01:28:07
Speaker
I think we all thought it had been less than like a couple of months. We thought it was like kind of instant, well, not instantly, but like within a short period of time, we're like, maybe they hadn't discovered him yet. And we were like, yeah, we have his keys. I'm pretty sure I told you that you were researching in a, you said you were researching in a library for a few, for like a week. Yeah. I mean, it was the same session. I think it was the doorbell.
01:28:33
Speaker
It was. It was. It might have been. It might have been. It was. But in a DM perspective, that is, I think, the group's biggest fuckup. Yeah, yeah. To be honest, yes. Yeah, okay. I'll let you have that one, yeah. But then we did get rescued by the little halfling, shield team six and a half. So that was not much. Yeah, that was true. It was pretty good.
01:29:04
Speaker
oh dear yeah i completely forgot by that one yeah i was like no no i haven't done anything stupid and you answered let me set this seat for you now that we've got three of you on three of you that are in a conspiracy chat yes let's let's hear some of your conspiracies oh god um
01:29:31
Speaker
um i think the big one is is very nice yeah yeah wait the big one being that uh lilac is the child of the raven queen okay yes that is one of our yeah that one came there's definitely something yeah i think that one came to fruition when it was the session where the feather popped up i think
01:29:58
Speaker
is when that came to fruition. Something like that. Was it when she fainted? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She started having visions. Yeah. I think, Rosie, you said there was one about that the fallen star is Lionel.
01:30:23
Speaker
Or was it a shara? Yeah, a shara, yeah. Ooh, okay. I thought I told you about this one. Okay. But yeah, no, just the, that was just the vibe. I still maintain that there's something. You know the, so wait, that the star that has fallen or is falling.
01:30:44
Speaker
The one that has fallen. Yeah. Because that fell 10,000 years ago. Over 10,000 years ago. I know. You're just older. I know. 20,000 years ago, actually. A long time ago. But that's just the vibe that I get, that she's one of them, and then there's going to be this other one. And it's going to be like that duality between them. Okay, interesting, interesting. I don't know who or what's going to be the other one, but
01:31:12
Speaker
That's just one of the theories that we have. Well, I have, but yeah. Interesting. Those are big ones. I mean, I'm not sure what else is being in the chat. There's theories off the top of my head, but every time I think of a theory, I debunk it in about 20 seconds. So those are the big ones that we've got. Still, it's just of those two, though. That's the thing. Well, I've got minor underlying theories for Tyr.
01:31:42
Speaker
and none for aspirin. Finnan's not been on whispers in such an important sense that I need a theory for Finnan yet, so it's fine. I can survive. He hasn't been on whispers for a while, actually. He's a good boy. He's not got anything. He was in whispers last session. Yeah, but then that all came out about five minutes later. Yeah, because I couldn't stop laughing.
01:32:08
Speaker
because of the way you were furiously typing in the Discord, all of these different parts. Should we read out the script? Please do. Of... Oh, wait, what's his name? Song Cleaver? Song Cleaver, yeah. Ah, yeah. God, these people are dumb as fuck.
01:32:33
Speaker
uh why why are you with them leave them this will get you killed i mean it um they act like they haven't seen a sexy ass blade before if the big one touches me i'm throwing hands don't let her touch me i'm not some back alley hall to be passed around pick me up i do not wish to be handed around i'm not some piece of me i'm a classy blade i'm a one man blade i don't like that one the black roped freak
01:33:03
Speaker
A pale bitch, that's what she is. They are dead if they aren't careful. And that's the last thing that the blade said. Yeah, this is all happening while everyone was speaking to me. I just kept laughing. Everyone's like, are you okay? That sword's cursed you. There's something wrong. What's happening? I'm just laughing and all of this coming through on my laptop. Everyone's like, there's something wrong. Why are you laughing? And I was like, I'm just laughing because you're all freaking out.
01:33:33
Speaker
I mean, it was a curse blade that was like converted. I mean, yes, it was. It was cursed to start with and then it got reforged. So everyone was still like, is it still cursed? Yeah, we had a reason to be suspicious. Yeah, that
Conclusion and Future Plans
01:33:51
Speaker
is fair. That's fair. I mean, yeah.
01:34:00
Speaker
Yeah. So you've got no major theory to be a campaign as a whole. No, not as a whole. I think you might be a bad guy and secretly. Yeah. The chaos gods, some of them are actually nice people, but that's just like a
01:34:27
Speaker
like law in my head type of thing like okay it might be the case and then like I haven't thought of anything about the gods yet I don't know they're like the actual gods involvement in this
01:34:41
Speaker
And oh get it going for still life. I'm Convinced I think there's a corpse for him, but I think he's been reincarnated or something. I'm so sure it's gotta be true. There's things Every session something bruise in my mind. I don't write it down It just sits there and I think about it for ages and so I think yeah that makes sense or if it's I think it's stupid so like It depends if you ask me next week. I'll probably come up with a different one by then I mean
01:35:10
Speaker
Alex, you'll have to send it in the D&D trauma group. Yeah. You're in the list of theories that you have said today. One of them is correct. Don't do this to me. Don't do this to me. Because I'm going to spiral. If you do this to me, I'm going to spiral. I need to. I'm not going to say which. Oh, God.
01:35:37
Speaker
And I'm not going to say which part the correct theory was in. I'm not going to say anything more. And I think it should be a good place to end the podcast. Thank you for tuning in this week, guys. As always, we are on Spotify, Amazon Music, Apple Music, Google. Give us that five star review. Keep watching. Yeah, it's going to continue going. It's going to be just us next week. Is it?
01:36:08
Speaker
Are you sure? Used to him. We've got one more next week, don't we? We've got one more next week. We've got two more, two more. So I think next week will be the people from my campaign, my first campaign. Okay, nice. Next week. Cool. That'd be fun for Johan to find out my antics in that campaign. And then the week after we'll be by ourselves for a little recap and other things. Yeah. Yeah. I think so.
01:36:36
Speaker
Cool. Well, yeah, thank you for tuning in. Thank you, Rosie and Emma for coming. Thank you very much. You guys have anything you want to shout out, any socials, anything? Nope. I did have one, but now I need to find it because I can't remember what it was.
01:36:58
Speaker
Let me find it. Let me find it. If anyone listening wants to be on with us, put a message in the comments. Yeah, send us a message. And we'll see. Yeah. We'll see. We've got a very packed schedule. We've got brain of the morning. We do, actually. We have booked for quite a couple of weeks. Yeah, we are actually booked. I would love to get Zach on, to be fair. Zach on would be good. I would love to get Zach on. Yeah, getting Zach on would be good. That's cool, guys.
01:37:28
Speaker
Shout out to Rotating Heroes podcast. It's coming back. It's incredible. It's amazing. Definitely go and watch it. Check it out. It really is amazing. Rosie. I couldn't find the person. I did save a TikTok, but it's disappeared. So apologies.
01:37:48
Speaker
If I think of it, then I'll send it to you and you can put it in the description or whatever you want. No, no, no, don't leave that. Well, sorry I wasn't making the account while I was at a Rosie found. We're not sure how you got it, because you've already forgot, very callibly forgot what you're doing. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It was a good one. If I find it, I'll try and chuck you in, even if we were. No. That is all over. It's all over. I'll make it work. I'm sorry. Yeah. Thank you for watching, guys. See you next week. See you next week.