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LichPlease! Podcast: Episode 26 - Arc 1 Wrap up!
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Transcript
Introduction of Podcast and Guests
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello and welcome back to the Lich Please podcast. um I was going to say, as always, I'm here with Alex, but today, i'm where Alex isn't here. We have Alex's character, Dan, who's joining us. And we have, as you might remember, the wonderful Emma, who plays Astra, and coming again, an old hand, third time is Mike, who plays Tia. Hi. How are you?
Act One Highlights and Goblin Battles
00:00:28
Speaker
I'm going to be doing a act one i say act one
00:00:33
Speaker
awan roundup um I can.
00:00:43
Speaker
i can um We'll help this weekend. Not as, Dan. Oh god, I think I'm going to you do that. I think you'll be much. Just be confused. Does Dan remember anything about that session? I remember just killing goblins and then stuff happening. um Yeah. Cool. um Yeah. I think it was two weeks ago now. Two weeks ago since we we ended. Yeah. Seems about right. Yeah, two weeks.
Mission Strategy and Castle Battle
00:01:18
Speaker
um and yeah we were conquering the castle i don't know if we talked about it before but uh just to help everyone listen that we were uh over the course of act one arc one clearing our goblin camps lairs bases whatever um and when we were going to get to the last one and finish it is when our arc one would be finished so yeah we got that it's a little castle um some fancy and noble elf lady i think she was an elf lady uh basically gave us the job to clear it i said we'd we'd get the castle and we can make a guild and get them to swear loyalty to her we didn't have to because we didn't want to none of us did um so yeah we get to the castle um we absolutely destroy a bunch of goblins we all have our own little smaller armies little groups they're all the same class as us and we all get the the big actions and whatnot so
00:02:18
Speaker
Yeah, we made our way through quite a few goblins outside on this big battle. um Emma's army abandoned her. Yep. Still mad about that. yeah drama I made a daybait. Yeah. Tiz army scared the shit out of everyone. I didn't learn to single attack that that. I mean, at least you didn't go down. So true. True. And everyone else just killed things. um So yeah, I got number three that session. Yeah. And then we move on to the next session, which was the last one.
00:03:09
Speaker
we enter the goblins den, kill them relatively easily.
Revelation of the Golem and Tyr's Backstory
00:03:16
Speaker
Tyr works out this fucking fleshgum. Yeah, can we actually just quickly pause before you get into this? You came on, Mike, a session before we did that. And Alex made a a very, very bold prediction about the chest. Very confidently, this chest is intrinsically tied to Tyr's backstory. It's going to be 98%. And Mike, do you want to reveal what it was? How the biggest scale of that reveal was?
00:03:49
Speaker
It was just a secret weapon. It was a golem that Tyr had been making since um since we fought the Clay Golem. yeah Nice. Sick. Yeah. Yeah. This is a side project, a side hustle. yeah made with Made with body parts, but that's not important. No. Nah. I still remember listening to the podcast and immediately messaging Mike like,
00:04:23
Speaker
That's a bold prediction for the records. I didn't know what was in the chest. Absolutely not. But I did know that it wasn't anything to do with. So it was so funny. ah Yeah, I live in conspiracies. So I was very much under the assumption that something insane would happen. Yeah. um I mean, it was a fucking insane flesh golem. It killed like most of the things. It did. Yeah, Frank. His name was Frank. Yeah. Yeah. In our hearts. and And I had to give ah ah Casey's character Northine a fair warning before it. Oh, yeah. That's definitely true. Yeah. So play it out in the little goblin base. That was a
00:05:20
Speaker
kind of a half dragon thing and hobgoblins. It was a tougher fight, but so when as most of us came out of it unscathed, so it was fine. am Yeah, i mean then we got the castle. That's where everything went to shit. Yeah, for me. had ah ox You had a box first though. Oh, the chest. Yes, the chest. The actual chest, the important one. Yeah. yeah just Yeah. Which in hindsight, I wish I opened.
00:05:51
Speaker
um ah Yeah. So there was this chest that had some, I think it was either an ancient language or ancient magic coming.
Meteor Arrival and Transformation Chaos
00:06:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was, it was like precursor language. Yeah. um Tear didn't want to open it, and I spoke to Elaz, the god whom I'd been talking to, um and she told me not to open it. So I didn't open it. Norphine wanted to open it, but we got on top of the chest in time to not open it. Norphine is impulsive. Yeah. You cannot stop Norphine from doing shit. Norphine only stopped.
00:06:39
Speaker
after she prayed to Tyr as a chief deity and he was like, do not open that chest. Yeah. Yeah. At that point, she was like, okay, cool. But before that, Dan was able to stop her from opening your chest. Or yeah yeah if he wasn't fast enough, she would have opened it. And it would probably have gone all different. I don't know. Probably um would have gone to shit. No, actually. winning No!
00:07:10
Speaker
ah relatively similar um yeah but it has some information That is information! I am taking notes! No, you're not taking notes! I always take notes!
00:07:29
Speaker
oh I don't know. It's very difficult for me as like a world builder to not gush about like everything that I've written. Oh, I get that. I get that. I but yeah i did I told Emma what I know about it. Yeah, you did. I don't remember what I told you about it. but Oh, that's funny. i can't get that one now no to go braxi my
00:08:01
Speaker
That was a fancy chest I was letting you find out what was in, yeah. Yeah. It was the name of a God that was like imprisoned or banished and their name was like forgotten history and texts and stuff. Um, there's a fancy time for it. I can't remember the name of the time. There's like an actual D and D term. Um, yeah. yeah i can't remember either right now yeah but yeah there's a term for it there's a term uh yeah so my god told me that after i prayed and we had a little convo um then she disappeared uh after the convo so that was cool um and then we were all chilling on a hill just relaxing you know
00:08:50
Speaker
And then all this shit happens. um
00:08:56
Speaker
So the second meteor came down. Law wise, there was a meteor that came down that started the third age. um Yeah, around 30,000 years ago, something like that. Yeah, and it wrecked to this place called Vendrom, released all these like ah disgusting creatures and created the Chaos Gods and whatnot. um big thing It was It was prophesied that another meeting would come. It came.
00:09:29
Speaker
and then fucking some thing happened, some god thing just took over his fucking body like he got flung up into the air um and then buried deep underground made a clone of himself like that spoke to us as a god and then he came up from under the ground fucking Astra said, deal. So much shit happened in them last like 10 minutes.
00:10:01
Speaker
um Everything was fucked. Only ever Mike knew what was happening to some degree. No one else had a fucking clue. Yeah. So that God announced that Tyr was like his son. um Being his actual son, I don't know, but I'd imagine that he's like a paladin of said god. You're in theory territory now. I am in theory territory now. But yeah arriing yeah
00:10:38
Speaker
um but yeah that was one of the gods, and 100% his name was in that chest. I said it at the end of our session and I'll say it again. His name was in our fucking chest and I should have opened it. I shouldn't have fucking, I should have been impulsive. All right, fuck. I should have opened it.
00:11:00
Speaker
But yeah. It's a bold statement. It is um a statement that I'm like 95% sure of. Oh, I'll write down those ones. Another 95% sure statement. Interesting. I wrote about 50% of the time. I will correct one thing you said though. Yes. You said the god took over a clone of Tyr. Yes. The clone of Tyr was flung into the ground. Ah, that's the one. The original was taken control of. Yeah.
00:11:35
Speaker
This is important. And Tyr came back like, the clone of Tyr was very different to Tyr. I'm an angel. I've been rewarded for my good deeds. Yay. He came back with functional wings, not bone wings. And he he looked not dead, basically.
00:12:02
Speaker
um Which has led me to believe that you are an Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of Eir. Ace of We were talking about theories on here, and I said you might be that, but I'm not sure. Yeah, you did. Yeah, I remember it. So yeah, right, 50% of the time. Eir. Out of things that have been confirmed. Yeah, it's like so much less than 50%.
00:12:42
Speaker
that's right
00:12:46
Speaker
so yeah sorry to back up this really quick i'm just laughing at the thought of id arc five the big gra reveal is it is actually naracogra oh it's the is to shake a man from before i'll be gobsmacked
00:13:14
Speaker
i mean who know A lot of a lot of shit can happen. You might become a neurococker. True. I do not want to become a bird. I mean, we've had a wizard who switched places with a chicken in the other campaign, so everything is possible. True. True. A chicken. I mean, he was trying to make them more immortal, which he did do, but he was
Secrets and Faces in the Sky
00:13:37
Speaker
a chicken. Yeah. So he couldn't pass any spells because he had no hands.
00:13:42
Speaker
got Fun guy. We also didn't talk about the masks or like the faces in the sky. Yeah, that's relatively important. This is true. yeah um So this guy, when all this transformation shit was happening, we all saw, apart from Astra, we all saw faces of people
00:14:14
Speaker
have wronged us um i say theory wronged us theory i'm like i'm gonna say it again i'm 95 sure it's people who have wronged us in fact i'm quite sure um it is i think so you and won't confirm and other people won't confirm but based off the faces i saw i think so um Yeah, you know the answer to this i was i do so hb yeah confirm such theories so Two people two people here do know the correct answer Am I not one of those people Have I told you're correct That's a great question. I don't know probably not um Yeah so sorry
00:15:08
Speaker
Alex, you would say that the faces you saw were people who brought you, as that is your theory? Am I assuming correctly? Yeah. Yeah. That's my theory. Do you want to say who you saw? We'll we'll go through like people who everyone saw, I guess. i'm like Above table. Let me get the old, let me get the old backstory. You can say who they were to Dan, I guess. It is in the chat, I think. Oh, I guess you could you you don't want to reveal that. That's fine. Keep what little secrets he has. thats I mean... Yeah, don't reveal your one secret. We figured out which ones were which, right? In the session. Yes. Who was associated to who? Where did I have rights? Yeah. I wrote it down.
00:16:12
Speaker
While you're looking for those names, we'll direct to, um because there was a ah relatively big revelation in terms of, you confirmed who you recognized, Mike, who Tit recognized. um And there was a striking resemblance this gentleman had to tear. ah And this man was um Lord Kael. Lord of a noble house. I can confirm the relation. I let i i let them theorize.
00:16:45
Speaker
yeah i actually when this happened, whipped up the lore document to read about House Cale. Have I forgotten everything I read? Yes, that's fine. I didn't forget anything. You need to cut them out more lore to House Cale. who um There it is, half care House Cale. Vamore. Yeah, I've got the lore document right now. um Yeah, interesting. There's a lot that doesn't that needs to be added. I've written a lot of shit about how scale. Yeah. Like I said, I intentionally wrote a lot of these houses as vague, so if someone chose to be from them, they could fill out law for them and develop the houses as they sort of fit to. um So I do need to update that with Mike's law. Yes.
00:17:35
Speaker
um
00:17:37
Speaker
But yeah, so let's get up the names I wrote. ah names of the people that Dan saw and recognized. um
00:17:50
Speaker
Get up this chord. Wait, I have it. It's Gengar, Arbaran, Rifo, Radr, Izaris. Yeah, that's the ones. um Fennen was Baron and Dorian. Norfin was Magnus and Jared, who was her father. And then Tyr. Did you share this private it's with me or was it? No, no, no, this is no. OK, Oren and Boomcolor. Yes. And I messaged you in and this this is just a torture Alex more. I have another face to add. Yeah. OK, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:18:38
Speaker
Interesting, interesting. um But yes, so I've said my theory for the faces, but that's my theory. Dan would not know why he was sharing said faces. And you guys aren't going to know who those faces are. So suffer. Well, you can get one of them. um I mean, all we already got that Gunger was a rival. Yeah. And that's, uh, Refoa, Erater and the series were minotaurs, I think. Yes. That's everything I gave. That's what we got. Visually. Yeah. that you'll get Yeah. Um, yeah. Uh, yeah. I can't really say much more. Um, I think notes. I do just want to start like, uh, to everyone listening at home.
00:19:37
Speaker
I mono did with a monologue for about, I don't know, this was like, I don't know, it's 10 minutes monologue. And then we got to the end, we did a bit of things. um And then we probably spoke for another half an hour after this. And then it was only then I went, oh, what did you guys think of the faces? Because no one remembered that it happened. A lot happened. A lot. Yeah.
00:20:03
Speaker
i mean i didn't even realize that i had multiple faces i forgot the names of like the people that i wrote in so i only remember like gunga i don't remember anyone else um which obviously you told me and then i realized and it was really big so yeah it was yeah yeah It was a very interesting end. And then, you know, I'm about to go to sleep. I've sat down and I'm sat in bed. I get a message from Yuan and he's just got, Oh, um, if Dan had to support another God, what God would Dan say? I was like, Oh, I've just ethically, if Dan had a second favorite God, would that be the one that begins with C, um, yeah.
00:20:56
Speaker
um And then he was just like, cool. Alaz is gone. okay I was I was going to go to sleep, but now no I can't. ye Yeah. Yeah. That conversation you had with Alaz, Alaz shared quite a lot of information with you. I'm not sure he told you a lot of guards have been locked away. um and that she wasn't able to, like not that she couldn't like she couldn't and wouldn't speak their names, she was physically unable to speak their names. Yes. Yeah. So she got banished. And I will not remember her.
00:21:47
Speaker
Yeah. Mm-hmm. No. Yes, I've lost her boon. I no longer care for alcohol. You have made Dan suffer. You just didn't want him to have that boon anymore. So he's up trying to convert people into his religion. and I mean, no, I actually feel bad for Dan. Yes, I'm going to. Yeah, I'm going to have to be done had to be done Yeah, not that I'm gonna try and make you play a character anyway, but I think Dan would be aware that he's lost something even though he isn't aware Yeah, I was thinking it was gonna be something like that to be honest. Yeah, I've been thinking about how Dan's gonna Be after this he might not even be religious yet. I don't know Because this all happened I
00:22:44
Speaker
during a campaign and became religious organically yes and the god that he became religious for is gone so i don't know why it's like six months away i'll figure it out by the time ah welcome to the amnesia squad i made yeah i mean Being in the Amnesia squad is really confusing because you don't know what would my character know and what do I know? Because after a while everything flows together and it's bad. And we also don't ask each other questions either. Yep. A whole act and we almost didn't ask questions.
00:23:36
Speaker
Yeah, except for the end. There was like, yeah, there was an intense discussion at the beginning of the session. Yes. Yep. Mm hmm. Which I can't really go into. Yeah. you Yeah. I guess from like, from some people's point of view, it's been a very backstory week arc, but it it like in the background, So much has been going on that that a lot of people have no idea about. Well, because you know we go into whispers, but like character wise, like nothing. No one knows too much. I would say openly the biggest person who's had their backstory dealt with for a long time was Finn and having to interact with his uncle. Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. I that. That final session when
00:24:32
Speaker
here went all. It's not important. I mean, I mean, we still don't know everyone's ah race. True. This is true. I still stand for Emma's race. then And you know, I feel like I've read something somewhere recently about something in D and&D that makes you forget things. i'm and now I've forgotten it, so maybe that's what it was. yeah
00:25:07
Speaker
he's been bug Evers backstory bugs me the most because I have nothing. Don't get me wrong, i so I hate when I suffer when I have information on things, I'm not the full information, but I prefer having some information to none at all. i have So it's just, yeah, it's too difficult to figure anything out. um i As the DM, I'll try and comfort you a little. Astra doesn't know much more. That is actually true. About the same information that Dan does. Yeah, yeah. All I know is that she's a bit... I mean, a bit more, but... Yeah. I mean, technically... Can I... What I feel this... Yeah, you know what? Technically, Astra also doesn't know her race.
00:25:59
Speaker
I'll give you that one.
Character Amnesia and Backstory Theories
00:26:03
Speaker
The amnesia. That's what it is. That's interesting. yeah Which we've discussed, we've had a conversation about and I'm very excited to go with the plot line that we've we've sort of decided because it's it's both mechanically cool and narratively really fun and I think it's going to be very interesting to play that out. I'm very excited to do so. Yeah, and I'm shitting myself, like literally. I am so scared. I mean, excited but scared because I know what your fucked up mind can come up with. So I'm scared because I made a deal. But I don't know what. I haven't done yet, actually. yeah But yeah, at the end,
00:26:53
Speaker
i after Mike gave his fantastic description of new tier, a piece of paper after after his ideal floated down from the sky for the contract. Yep. How formal. Oh. Paperwork. That's in... Nevermind.
00:27:24
Speaker
Careful, Mike. Interesting. Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. So, yeah. And now everyone's basically level three. Yes, pretty much. Apart from Finn. And yes, I'm Finn, and then we'll do we'll do a Casey, and a Northfield sort of arc at some point as well, just so all characters are getting ah yeah We'll go back and do more for Dan as well when Dan meets his parents and has more Goliath stuff. Yes. um still worry ah don't know how you're goingnna do it I'm still worried about it. um I I have ideas. That's good. That's scary.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah, so the meteor that landed, was it in Um, where are we? Nightsmald? Vamul? You're in Ebria. That's the one. land In Ebria? No, it landed in Vendron. Oh, again? Okay. That's interesting. I thought it was in Ebria. Yeah. Two stars collide. ah um Interesting. Fuck Vendron, that place is getting lagged. Yeah, what have the days gone? Fuck that place. Arkforth, all about going to Vendron. Ooh, exciting.
00:28:58
Speaker
i mean Oh no. Another harmony session, so we get there.
00:29:09
Speaker
such any honest honest Honestly, I think i think we we we'll we'll be looking at year 4 of the campaign at that point, so... It's a while off. Hopefully we're all still here for it. I hope so. I i will be... Fuck, I'll be like... 30.
00:29:33
Speaker
That's rough, buddy. nine you old but reason i mean oldest shit you of all the young people who you are that's unucckier and you may i'm not the youngest anymore roie and and and and not for or both be thirty one i'll just beat twenty five man i'll be fucking know ah oh god you're gonna be in a year I'll be how about
00:30:05
Speaker
How old will you be, Alex? By year four, oh wait, year four of the campaign. That's actually a great. No, year four of the campaign, I'll be 21 now. Yeah, but. 27, I think. Year one was last year, right?
00:30:22
Speaker
ah We would have finished in like year one was February. Yeah. Like one year was February. Yeah. I'll be 28.
00:30:34
Speaker
um Yeah, I'll be like 25. I'm glad I'm in the middle. For a long time I was the youngest and then Alex came and now he is the baby. Yes, yes, I'm but a child. Compared to the ancient we have in this campaign. yeah The ancient. Grandpa, you know.
00:31:07
Speaker
that was a Sorry. He's getting into that role soon. I was about to be considered being very nice to you guys. I was going to say, let's stop putting on you guys getting into totals or apart. And let's see if you have any questions for me around the campaign. If I can answer them, I will. um car I have so many questions, but nothing thing I can ask.
00:31:36
Speaker
in Because I know it will come up later, so... I have a question for you guys, actually, well while we're waiting. Who do you think the mother is?
00:31:54
Speaker
oh In terms of Squishy McSpanish? The mother. Could be anything. It could be anything or anyone. It's probably something to do with the media. It is the media. I feel like we've had this conversation. I feel like I remember this how. It's the media. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was. Yeah. Yeah. It is the media. Yeah. Yeah. and
00:32:22
Speaker
I don't know. Ask. I really don't. Yeah.
00:32:32
Speaker
He thought I've done a really good job at tying everything up perfectly, which I haven't done. No, you haven't. We can't ask questions like around each other. false speak That's true.
00:32:47
Speaker
As Alex said before, i am this is mainly just a statement, but I am wondering why there aren't any faces for Astra. Because for everyone, there were faces in the sky, except for Astra. And I myself don't know why. So that's... So Astra doesn't... that I will say this, there would have been faces for Astra. But they would have been in the mix that no one would have recognised anyway. So Astra wouldn't have recognised them.
00:33:29
Speaker
and Yeah. And no one else would recognize them. So there's no point giving them names. Cause there was a blur of unknown people. okay why thank you Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So to describe it even further, you wouldn't know the names of the people that Alex saw. You would just know their faces. If that makes sense. here Unless Dan actively told you who they were.
00:34:00
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So the names are there as a reminder for you guys as players. But like all you see is a visual representation of this person. so Okay. Yeah. Interesting. That was about what I figured. Because Tyr and Astra have different types of amnesia. Tyr does remember bits and pieces.
00:34:27
Speaker
ah It's just like Nevermind. Yeah, yes. This is dangerous theory. The more information, the more scheming I can do. I kind of want to know what your theories are. I deal with what I'm saying. I think I've talked about because Mike sent me that
00:35:02
Speaker
that piece of backstory information. I love that I did that. I love it so much. so I wish I could do more of that, but I shouldn't. I think you should. so ah But then you'd start piecing together cohesive thoughts. yeah just do them from different different parts but don't know where so like send one from part one now one from each part hu i have to do searching um but i think it's really hard to place uh a full fleshed out theory with the information i have right now i do think
00:35:48
Speaker
Tyr was alive for the first meteor, and I feel like something happened after the first meteor that led to his god getting banished, his temple getting destroyed, um and then Tyr, you've got like transporters in the future, the amnesia stuff, something like that. I'm not gonna get out. That sounds like a fire backstory. does yeah
00:36:16
Speaker
But I won't know for a while. It's really hard to pace theories. For Astra, I've got nothing. I actually have nothing. No theories whatsoever, Zilch. Fuck all. Nothing. Yeah. And the other two just basically tell the topic. They're backstories, so I don't need theories for them. Yeah. And I have no idea the direction of the campaign. You don't. I was going to ask as well, like, what do you think the next steps are? Because I have it planned out. I know what to do. I know what I've got to do is traveling. and yeah you totally make a do I I have major things are going to happen in that that is going to cause some Oh, how do I word this? Oh, God.
00:37:07
Speaker
I think you will be more shocked at this change than you were during that final session. Interesting. The thing that I have planned has major implications for the rest of the campaign and the entire world. Interesting. Is it for fucking media or didn't? Yeah! I need to meet your boy about 30 and then you're going to have the expectation that this is going to have. Oh god. Yeah, afraid we'll all die. of Thank you for having us. We're all dead. Yep. I would say there's a good chance that someone will die in Arctu. Oh, fuck no. No, no, I called out this. Nope. I won't be able to handle. No, nope. No, no, no, no, no.
00:38:02
Speaker
I will I will elaborate on that by saying I think there's going to be it's going to happen because you're going to be getting to a higher level they could be fighting higher level things so the threat of death is going to be high so statistically someone is likely to die okay it's not arabs to kill someone it's not okay someone has to die okay that's high level mistakes if it was written in I would have 100% assumed I'm dead
00:38:31
Speaker
i was like I was immediately like, yeah, that's me.
00:38:37
Speaker
oh I'd be devastated if Tear dies. Because Tear is such a fun, rich backstory. um Yeah, well, it is what it is if he dies. So much work that you put into it. I would feel the bad killing Tear. Yeah, well, I don't know. I think i mean there's ways to make it interesting. I think the consequences it would have on mainly Astra, I think, but the rest of the party would definitely be big. I'd be more worried for Astra if that happened than anything. Oh, I don't know what would happen. hey if If Tear died, would Astra stay with the party? Or would you think you would retire after the character?
00:39:28
Speaker
Oh, death that's, it. I think. So the question is what it is. I think if it happened today, I think Astra would leave the party. Yeah, I think so too. Or setting some other bad things would happen. But Astra wouldn't be part of the party anymore. That definitely. I don't know how everything will evolve and so on. But right now, she would be gone. And then I have to make a new character.
00:40:09
Speaker
kind He's got a new player, Emma. So you can't kill me the or else you kill two players. yeah Oh, fuck you, you are. I have been here the longest. I am a founding member. and but Me and you, that's true. We are the family members. The seniority. yeah yeah that well name That's so long ago now. Yeah, how long is it? Shit. It's 2021, I think. September 2021. 2021?
Campaign Beginnings and Evolution
00:40:48
Speaker
This is... I've been the only one at that point for two years and was like, fuck, I want to play. I pretend to be a new player and get in this campaign.
00:40:57
Speaker
And then the DM just never responded, so I was like, fuck it, I guess I'll DM again. yeah damn And then only Emma wanted to play. I mean, the rest wasn't responding anymore, so... And then we got Rosie, and then Alex, but not you, Alex, another Alex, a friend of yours, I think. ah My first DM, Alex, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And... Then everything kind of changed over the years. Rosie stayed and I stayed, the rest and you stayed, of course. kind of went And then we kind of changed around and now we have you guys. but yeah a group laura The best iteration, I would say. This is by far the best. Yeah. that we've had like boy up yeah yeah This is the best group. Best fives, the best.
00:41:55
Speaker
I think you went to three months to reply to me. Wow. Wow. In in in fairness, we were busy. yeah
00:42:08
Speaker
I mean, I kind of want to look up what you you've sent Alex. Because as you won earlier in the podcast episodes discussed is that he always send us like the starting messages for new players wanting to join. And I remember sending him sending you, I think, I don't know which ones,
00:42:43
Speaker
ah But I still remember the messages, but I want to find them, but I don't know how. I can buy you time while you look for that. Yeah, do go ahead. OK. So there's just a fucking extra tear running around causing shit. So so um no. OK. I don't think you remember the conversation that um they had with you, but essentially they just They just needed the form, and they can take whatever face they want, and they can do whatever race they want, and they can do whatever. They said they wouldn't use your face.
00:43:20
Speaker
ah
00:43:24
Speaker
ah interesting Interesting. So clone tier is still tier. It's just new body for tier. Yes, they took date that the god took your original body and gave you something new. They made you something new. Oh, this God of death and mischief sounds very interesting. I got a nice little soul transfer.
00:43:49
Speaker
Oh, actually, no, I do have ah a like, I have a world question that I've been meaning to ask. Yes. What's your structure for the afterlife? the afterlife. Yes. Okay. Is there a, like, and I mean, even in standard D&D, there's heaven and hell and all that shit. Yeah, yeah. So the nine, the nine hells fully exist, the planes exist, so you have to settle a plane and all those planes. But, Alador does have an underworld. There are funeral rites to grant access to the underworld. And as Alex pointed out,
00:44:30
Speaker
A pantheon is slightly oriented because there is no god of the underworld. i that's That's the big one that I noticed before. yeah There's no known god of the underworld, I think is a more accurate way to say it. I wrote that in so long ago and was like, this will be fun. um And just kind of, I guess I kind of forgot about it because no one's asked. And then you got, you brought it up and I was like, yes, someone's finally noticed. A while ago and saw someone would notice. No, I saw ages ago when I first law dived.
00:45:08
Speaker
I was like, oh, these are really weird gods because they're gods of obscure things. I just like did that purposely because I was like, someone will notice. this yeah like Well, there's probably a reason and it will probably come up. And I feel like if I ask, I'm not going to get an answer. So I'm just going to leave it and I left it and then I got an answer. So I was fucking right. Yeah. Yeah. No, I just never questioned it because
00:45:36
Speaker
Well, I didn't really care about the gods at that point either. No, that's fair. I just left it out. I was like, alright, whatever. Yeah. I just didn't notice, so... It's a beefy book, to be fair. I mean, I've read it. I still have my notes for it. My summary I made. But I still, those are just things I don't notice. like and Also, just like in credit to you, Alex, I want to say in a our defunct Friday campaign, someone wrote out all the gods and didn't pick up on that. Someone physically wrote out all the gods in a notebook and didn't pick up on that. Interesting. I feel like when I when i read there were two chief deities and neither of them were like deities of life.
00:46:33
Speaker
I was just like, okay then. I was like, well, this seems really odd. Yeah. Yeah. The chief deities are of peculiar domains. They are. And I always found that strange. I was like, why are you so important when you're just, you have, you're gods of weird things. But yeah, I guess we'll find that out as well.
00:46:58
Speaker
There's still so many things we have to find out. I feel like we've only scratched the surface. There's lots of gods slumbering, which I knew well ahead of time. I mean, since when did you know? I got told that a long time ago. I knew in October, I think when I asked, when I woke Elaz and she literally said, we've been asleep.
00:47:32
Speaker
That's what I find out. I think what Mike is saying is Mike knew that some of the gods weren't asleep. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. I wasn't. Yeah. Yeah. Like, or a thing. I'm pretty sure he was awake. Hmm. But not them. No. The imprisoned God said what? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Did you had and like any idea at that point? what it was or did you just think some of the current gods were like pretending to just not get involved?
00:48:17
Speaker
No. ah fair Was that just an Alex question? or That was an everyone question. Oh, okay. Um, for me, um,
00:48:32
Speaker
Tyr has a strange relationship with the gods. I wasn't going to question it because I knew that he wasn't going to. I mean, Astra wasn't religious so at all, so she wouldn't notice. I was thinking like, for partially they they would be asleep, but some just for being gods and didn't want to get involved. So mainly just they don't want to help because we're mortals and they think less of us. I think that was also one of the the thinking paths my mind took, but not in a way that I really spent many times thinking about it.
00:49:30
Speaker
It was just like, oh, well, no gods. I had a minus one in re religion. I just, assume I, the only reason I started playing was for shits and giggles. I just assumed that I would not get those roles, which I didn't. I have a minus one. Like I really didn't expect much. I was just like, okay, they're not going to reply to me. Like I've never been religious. I have a minus one. I'm not paladin. I'm not cleric. I don't follow a god. They're not going to reply. Um, yeah. And then you won the natural 20. I'll reveal something. I did early on tell you when I wanted to fail my religion checks. Oh. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Interesting. yeah yeah So you always fail them even if you succeeded. Yeah, I just pretended to fail them. Oh, that's dirty. Interesting.
00:50:30
Speaker
I think that's important and I always sort of do it when it comes to a major role um that as a player you can choose to fail any role that you want if you want the other like you can say that my character is fighting this but I as a player am choosing to fail this role because that's narratively fucking great that's so much fun to play with it gives you I think more than a success turn yeah like we the dice are there to control the game but like at the end of the day Don't roll if you don't want to. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. You know, I wonder if Tears God was banished by traitor.
Character Theories and Future Arcs
00:51:12
Speaker
I wonder.
00:51:15
Speaker
I'm not going to get it. Interesting. wondering Interesting. Things piece together. like i just i really really what ah I really want to talk about it. I really want to talk about it. I'm just so here like there's so many more I can talk right now. It would explain why Tier really doesn't like morphine and doesn't really appreciate people who worship Trotter and keeps away from them quite a lot. And it would explain why he doesn't want her to heal him. I'm stuffm still gonna get an answer. off This is just thinking out loud at this point. No, it's interesting. It is interesting did interesting. It's very interesting. Yeah, maybe they were very observant. Yeah, thanks. To be fair, credit is to you, Alex, you are really perceptive. Maybe Dan isn't aware of everything happening.
00:52:15
Speaker
And some of your theories might be crazy.
00:52:24
Speaker
and i crazy you know But think of all of us, you have been picking up most of the details and like the little sprinkles. ah You one left behind or ah Mike and I leave behind. So Really credit to you. that's That's really fun for us. That's very true. becausess because it bugs me A big part of the fun is ah for Mike and I, because we've been talking about it, is just getting to see your reaction.
00:53:03
Speaker
like yeah as a driving force. like putting some oil on the fire and like trying to get a reaction in a way because we know you are theorizing and you want to say things but you can't and like how having or seeing you figure that out and share theories and so on is so much fun. yeah it's it just bugs me too much to not to not pay attention if i mean really go ahead it really infuriates me just
00:53:46
Speaker
I like to know things about people. I like law. We've talked about this before. I really like law. So, yeah. It just binds you. And our stories aren't interesting if nobody pays attention to it. That's done, yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But I will, I will figure it out. Give me three more arcs. Give me three more arcs. Okay. I think... Oh, go ahead. Sorry. I was going to say just quickly to Alex and then you can go, what I have planned for act two might throw a spanner in that, give me till, give me three hours, it might throw a ah massive spanner into that plan. So like, don't, don't pigeonhole yourself too much.
00:54:31
Speaker
Yeah, because I know the deal that Astra made will come up, I think, pretty early um in and the second arc. At least the... Wait, how do I word this? ah The effects of the deal. like yes yeah That will definitely come to play. I think pretty, I mean, I imagine the first session. Yeah, yeah. I don't imagine so. I don't know how much this is. I mean, Astra isn't the only one who made a deal. True. True. All I know is that Tyr's going to enjoy having a new body. Yeah. I wonder how many memories Astra is going to get back from this deal, if she'll get back memories. I feel like she'll get back memories.
00:55:29
Speaker
I'm not going to get an answer, but that's still, I feel like I should get memories back. I don't know myself so. To keep the intensity of the session, um we haven't discussed the terms of asterisk pack, the asterisk deal. Yep, we haven't. So we'll do that close to the date and then we'll we'll We'll have something in the works for that. You blindly agreed to a deal?
00:56:01
Speaker
It's not really anything crazy to ask anyone. I know. I know but i mean, you would have made it. Definitely so. I know. You know. I i mean, I can. I can make reasonable guesses. I have a question. So I think you probably had the better understanding of what was going to go down in that final session. Yes. um But for all of you, what did you think was going to happen and like how different was it when it actually happened?
00:56:43
Speaker
a
00:56:46
Speaker
You want to go first, Alex, or should I? uh you can you can yeah okay uh so to be fair mike had been messaging me before sending me messages how scared he was how anxious he was and he had partially an idea of what he won was planning. He couldn't share it with me but was sending me messages about it. I knew partially what was going to happen. I knew that the deal was going to to be made and I knew that that would be the end of the campaign.
00:57:34
Speaker
ah And I knew that like the whole, or my theory about it was definitely that something would happen with Tyr and how everything would unfold would be majorly tied to his backstory, but not how everything would flow. So I had the concept of, she's going to go down with Tyr, but no idea how and why, and then Astra making a deal. Those were the parts I was sure of, but in what manner? Nope. In my defense, I did not know what you knew. You knew way less than I thought you knew, but I didn't want to tell you what I knew because we didn't know what each other knew. Yeah, it was a constant play. I was just paranoid the whole week.
00:58:31
Speaker
Yeah, because I got the impression that you thought I knew everything or almost everything, which I didn't. I just knew after these lines, I had to say deal. And it was literally it was Iwan saying that that you had the last line that fucked me up for that week. That's what i set off my paranoia. Because I didn't tell you that I was sure of because I was actually shocked you and that you told Mike. I was like, Oh, okay. I was I was pretty steering my big old. po It was it was diabolical is what it was. I mean, sure.
00:59:26
Speaker
alex how there messing or okay I you guys that I didn't know anything and you wouldn't believe me. Astra barely knew anything. No. you do askcar ball and Neither of them knew anything. Astra didn't know anything. Astra was ah way more along for the ride than I thought.
00:59:56
Speaker
Astra, for real, is your ride or die. Astra is the kind of friend that you want. Yeah. I mean, to be fair, I still remember. Or maybe we can first ask Alex about his. Yeah. Because I was going to go. We'll go back to that. Yeah. Yeah. You had really, well, I mean, did you have any idea of what was actually going to happen? Well, the first time you told us that we're ending Arc 1 after the goblins way many months ago, before any if any real information was given, I thought we would be seeing an appearance from Squishy. You were the first person to know that. I was, yeah. I expected an experience from Squishy McScanish. Like the first time that I was like, yeah, for sure, we're going to see like Squishy. Oh, to be fair, I did. I thought that too.
01:00:46
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I was like, OK, if we're killing all the goblins, this man will appear. um I fought that until maybe like a month or two months ago. And so until everything started to happen, I was caught. I was convinced, like, yeah, squishy mascamish will be there. I did think for a while nothing was going to happen. um But then everything started to set sound like really dramatic. So I was like, something really big is gonna happen. have
01:01:18
Speaker
I didn't know the media and all that. i You can ah fucking read my mind. I would have known nothing about anything that would have happened on the final session. I would have been completely wrong. You didn't expect the media? No, I actually didn't. I didn't think he'd he'd play at this early on. We got told it like a hundred times there. being here No, I know that would be me. I just didn't. OK. At the end of our one, I thought. Oh, OK. Yeah. I feel like you'd want to talk to us more with the prophecies. Right. So I was like, OK. I'm always what happened afterwards. Yeah. I was like, hmm. I don't think we're going to meet here at the end of our one. But I didn't know like the thing that would happen. So I was just like, well, something big will happen.
01:02:07
Speaker
Uh, I did think it might be God related. So there's that, but like most of this has been God stuff. So yeah, my theories to the end of arc one, we'll just mumble jumble from all the fucking shit that was happening to be honest. I had the other one. Yeah.
01:02:26
Speaker
yes I mean, I didn't. Oh. I didn't know what was going to happen until Mike took me, I mean, Astra aside on the last session and quite literally told me not the details, but he he told a lot about what was going to happen. ah We knew it was going to happen at sunset. So I was sitting there.
01:03:01
Speaker
waiting until it was going to be sunset. Because that was, oh, it was so terrifying. What was going through your mind? because tear couple I'm curious about that. Shit, what time is it?
01:03:26
Speaker
I mean... What was going through your mind at that point when you, when you, because I looked at your face when, now when Mike was doing that Alex and you were like, like a chicken in headlights. Yeah. i
01:03:42
Speaker
I've got to think back. I think I had the Lordock open and when this was all happening as well. Really? Yeah, I really tried to figure things out. you Honestly, I probably nearly overheated my brain.
01:04:01
Speaker
paul What time than not when big things happen, uh, I don't care that the big thing is happening. I care that I don't know what's happening. So I'll just, I'll just try and think about everything that's happening. Try things together, informations from previous sessions, try to figure out why it's happening. So yeah, I was probably just overthinking everything. In fact, I was, um, I know I was, and I'm sure Rosie probably messaged me as well. I would state that Rosie probably sent me a message saying what the fuck is happening or something along those lines. A lot of things that have happened, Rosie has just messaged me when it's happening. Just go, a what the fuck is this? Or this is so suspicious. Yeah. And a lot of it was just Mike is really sus right now, or Emma's really sus right now. I was like, yeah, yeah, fuck yeah. that's a so This is just shit.
01:04:49
Speaker
I mean in the beginning I was part of the conspiracy chat and then suddenly that chat was silent and since then I didn't know anything anymore. An experience I also had but getting phased out of the conspiracy group. And then I started just Messaging Mike about the things that were happening. Yeah. yeah And also, you just messaged about it all. You're all suspicious. I didn't expect anything less.
01:05:29
Speaker
Yeah, but I think we'll pick that chat up for Ark 2. Something inclines me to believe that information I think so have there will be much more party cohesion going into art too. My aim is to try and like, I guess solid solidify everyone more as a party. yeah yeah Not if I have anything to say about this. If you want to break that, that's fine. But I think that will be the the narrative arc.
01:06:06
Speaker
No, I like being, I like being a party. Yeah. I mean, I think Astra will also kind of stare, stare a bit in the, in the direction of the party. I actually have alignment theories now, because I'm sure your alignments changed. What the fuck? oh And meanwhile, I'm excited to get back to old times, get our trench coat, climb on each other's shoulders. Yeah, the acrobatic stuff. She has seemed like so long ago now, and I can't imagine this current iteration of Tyr in a trench coat on Dan's shoulders.
01:06:48
Speaker
There was just coping back then by not taking anything seriously The body part collecting yeah yes ah yeah Progressively becoming more and more with time
01:07:15
Speaker
I remember saying at the very beginning that I wanted this to be a more serious campaign than the one I had run before, and then it started off, I tried to run it seriously, then it just went dumb in the middle for a bit, and then I feel like at the end, we kind of full-circled back to very serious things happening in that run, while dumb shit was happening. It's bound to happen. I mean, you know us, we do dumb shit all the time, even when being serious. Yeah. Session one was the last time I was actually serious. Session one was the last time Dan was played as a serious character. But session one I used as figuring out how people, like the vibes of the group. And then I was just like, cool yeah, I can play Dan like the idea I wanted to play him. Oh yeah. Yeah. So session two onwards, I just played him like Dan. um Yeah. Wonderful. I know.
01:08:11
Speaker
I mean really I think it just took me time to feel what I wanted to do for Tyr and just getting comfortable really. I think that that's why the big shift really.
01:08:26
Speaker
yeah
01:08:29
Speaker
I think the same with Astra because I was really struggling in the beginning to find my groove with her finds how I wanted to play her how I wanted her to interact with ah with the group and then kind of having Mike and Tyr as a character to kind of attach to that kind of help to develop Astra's character and personality a bit more
01:09:07
Speaker
So that's actually really helped me. Yeah, ah a big a big changing point actually is the session that Tyr found a smut bug.
01:09:19
Speaker
because that's That's like when they first bonded. It was but actually... yeah It was over the Smashbook. They bombed it. Yeah, I think ah it was like the first time our characters like talked more one-on-one and then like found things in common and then it it kind of just went from there. Yeah, it was the session that Casey also joined for the first time. Yes, there there was that too. yeah um But yeah, that's kind of like when they attach to each other. That was a really fun session. Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was.
01:09:58
Speaker
And I was also surprised that I got something out of there, because ah I was kind of expecting him to fully block off Astra and not do anything. But he kind of opened up and I was pleasantly surprised.
01:10:20
Speaker
Took the opportunity. yeah yeah Before we go on to the the horror story we have for today, does anybody have any final questions?
01:10:37
Speaker
I mean, elli Alex, before we started, ah you said that you maybe had questions for Mike and I. Yeah. If you want to. And I asked you a question as well. Yes. The question I asked you was, if you could ask me any question that I was forced to answer, what would it be? Yeah. That's such a good point. I even said that I forgot what I was going to ask now. It's something to do with what temple Tia was a part of. Oh, you did say that. Tia worships, yeah.
01:11:19
Speaker
um And I did question I, yeah. I think you can answer that question. I can. I'll answer that for you. It's ter. Fuck.
01:11:40
Speaker
Nice. yeah And I was, ah the only question I had for Astra was like, what fucking deal are you making? But like, I won't, no you you don't even know that. So it's like, I'm not gonna get that answer. I mean, I as a player kind of know what kind of deal it is. I don't know the details of it, but I know what kind of deal it is. But Astra wouldn't know anything. I mean, partially. Yeah, she would partially know. Yeah, especially she knows. She knows with whom she's making a deal. Interesting. Interesting. are you I will say something here, actually. just quickly so I don't think I've said this before. Before you um you joined, Mike,
01:12:35
Speaker
Dan was actually my the individual I thought I could go for with the deal that Mike had. Oh. Oh. Interesting. That is really interesting. That's really interesting. And then a tear came and and really and really fit that slot. And i I don't think you would have necessarily maybe enjoyed playing Dan after one kind of. I could never see myself playing Dan as a serious person. Something insane would have to happen to Dan to be playing him as a serious person. That became very evident very early. Yeah. It wouldn't have really fit the vibe. Yeah. I had I had contingencies for it though. I mean, I have a subclass made that I thought I could give Dan. I do know that subclass. You told me that subclass. Yeah. I think the only I don't even like the thing is with Dan is
01:13:32
Speaker
More time than not, like yeah, he why he just lives in a fucking daydream world. um why Not much fazes him. He had a really amazing childhood and he likes killing things. He's just a bit psychotic. like You really think about it, he's a bit psychotic. But, yeah. We're all a bit psychotic. Yeah, who isn't? Even Northine.
01:14:02
Speaker
yeah I mean, definitely. She's bludgeoning heads in. I mean, she's always speaking on tear and Astra beam violence, but she herself is also very violent. We're a cleric. Yeah. Yeah. um no I didn't know that you had that like the hosting thing planned from the beginning. Yeah, yeah, that was that was that was something I wanted to do because I thought it would add some nice drama to the party. Oh, it's definitely dead. Yeah, it's it's it's fun. ah It is fun. It's fun to be antagonistic between people and poke the bear. And you made me think of a question, actually. Yes. For who?
01:14:55
Speaker
You. Oh, God. What would have happened if Tyr resisted and succeeded in resisting? That's a good question. I think that's... Have you seen supernatural? No, I have not. far so
01:15:27
Speaker
There's a host in that who isn't the intended host and the body does not reciprocate very well. ah So it would have been a subpar host. oh oh
01:15:44
Speaker
Interesting. I will i will will message you after.
01:15:51
Speaker
I am now thinking about the consequences of my own actions. I will give you more information. I'm scared. You don't need to be scared. Just don't trust it. Okay. This is fine. so I have also thought of a question for you, Juan. Okay. Has there been any moments in the campaign where you were really surprised by us as players or what kind of fraud we took with our characters? Yeah, um I've said it before, um your Astor and Tear's relationship was something I didn't expect to happen um at all. I know that's been really a highlight for me in the campaign. um And then a lot of it
01:16:50
Speaker
What else? Out of character stuff, just like the the attention to detail you've all taken in the lore and like the real interest you've taken has been great. I've loved it. Yeah, just just things like that. Aww. And I want to say, because we've all given props to each other, but also props to you for yeah engaging with all of our backstories so much. I mean, if I were given ah over a 20-page backstory, i would I'm not reading that. yeah
01:17:22
Speaker
so
01:17:25
Speaker
So respect to you for like weaving it together and making a really good story for us to like very get immersed in those players. You've done a very good job of that. There is more to come. I'm very excited. What an ominous response. yeah you know I mean, I am very excited for the Pirates campaign, but I'm also excited for the next month to be over. Alex has been cooking for like 10 minutes. Yeah, share with the group.
01:18:00
Speaker
question or something coming and I don't know who it's for but it's for. my head You said that you planned the thing to happen to Tyr to happen to me and you'd use subclasses for that and I know you had subclasses you'd multiple subclasses so it's possible that Tyr has a homebrew subclass but it's not even just that. There's no God of Chaos and your subclasses are chaos related. Some things cooking in my head, it probably will be wrong. But I feel like you telling me that you originally planned it for Dan and you had that subclass. Click something in my head.
01:18:35
Speaker
I'm just yeah um I'm gonna have to let it sit for a little bit because this is just bugging me out a bit. But it's no real God of Chaos. There's Chaos gods. There's like the well, the God, the Chaos God creatures where they are. But like maybe maybe the the tear that ah the the God that took over tears body was the God of Chaos that was banished because he released a meteor the first time around. And then he's been trying to get back through the power of the the God creatures. And maybe he's the mother. I don't know. It's just been cooking in my head for like 10 minutes. Interesting. It's very interesting. I want to say that it also clicked something in my head, but I just wasn't going to talk about it. Yeah, that really, yeah. Alex. Honestly, though, it could have been anyone. It it really could have been anyone.
01:19:25
Speaker
um
01:19:28
Speaker
Just to poke at you, Alex, I know Tyr's backstory.
01:19:35
Speaker
myla i know i know like ten sentences of in par three i and and and I actually think I know a lot about you. I mean, I as a player, not Astra necessarily. Not to say I have not sent her my back. No, no, no, no. Just to be clear. Nope. Yeah. I've gotten pieces and the thing he sent to you I also got. ah And some other stuff. I mean, Mike also knows what Astra's deal is and what's going to happen with that. So maybe Teal was cursed by the first meteor when he went to investigate it. Hmm.
01:20:29
Speaker
I guess I guess we'll find out. I like that. Yeah. Yeah. that's Maybe you can write down in the backstory. My is written. I'm locking it in. I can't keep going back to it. Damn. So no more questions. We are done discussing. Yeah. Yeah. I think so. I can't think of anything else. I mean, I'm excited to know Alex's reaction to... ah I'm excited to. My subclass, so... Oh, actually, I just thought of a question, because i never we never got to ask Mike or Alex, what would it take for you to retire here
Character Motivations and Future Storylines
01:21:16
Speaker
and Dan? like What would it take for those characters to be like, okay, I'm hanging up my sword, I'm done.
01:21:23
Speaker
I've actually thought about this before. um Actually, not much. That sounds like like, when I say not much, um there are a few things which if they somehow lined up in as an event, like Dan would just not need to do things anymore. Obviously if he became a Knight, but that's just the whole of Dan's backstory is becoming a Knight. So that won't happen anytime soon. um
01:21:50
Speaker
i There's things to do with like trade and his family, that if they came up, I would feel it appropriate that Dan would have to retire. And I don't mean like, oh, you kill his parents, whatever. i He won't retire for that. yeah that's That's not essential to Dan. Just small stuff. It really depends how you play it, but it could be something really irrelevant. Like a passing comment is really irrelevant, but it would just prove irrelevant to Dan's like mindset. So it really depends, but yeah I have thought about it a lot. It really just depends. It's all situational. That's all I'll say. It's a wonderfully vague answer. A wonderfully vague answer, yeah. It's to not sway the way that you play out the story by saying that this is how I retire, Dan, so that you don't go that dig direction.
01:22:45
Speaker
I don't think I would ever go in that direction. If you told me what would and retiring would be, I don't think I would ever go in that direction for fair, yeah. So it's just to leave it as a possibility, to make it more organic, as opposed to like, yeah, we'll just stay away from it. I mean, we don't want to lose Dan, so he's part of us. 1% of me wants a detective character to be made, so I can find those questions.
01:23:17
Speaker
if If you know if you've been a detective character, I'd add more questions. and Interesting. and something yeah Yeah, I know. I know. I don't even know what character. Actually, that's a lie. I do know what character I'd make. Had Dan stopped existing. Yeah. Oh, this is interesting. Let's hear it. I feel like I'd make a character from Vendron that was there when this meteor hit.
01:23:40
Speaker
when the second one hit. Yeah. Interesting. That's really fun. Yeah. I feel like it'd be a very interesting concept to play with. I'd probably make a caster as well. Oh, yeah. Nice. You wouldn't go inquisitor rogue. No, no. Well, I don't know. We'll find out if it happens. We'll cross that bridge when we get there. What about Tae? What would take Tae to hang up his sword belt? I have... I've thought about what he would do if Astra died, but I'm not going to say that. Oh, okay. Can I know? Can you send him later? No. I vaguely know.
01:24:31
Speaker
um So yeah ah those those things can change. i don't like I can't predict exactly if any of that stuff happens. um But in terms of like just retiring, Part of that depends on what you decide for the end of his backstory. oh little pressure say because I think I said that before recording that I made the backstory. The end of his backstory, it's decided by you. um And that goes into part of his motivation for the first arc.
01:25:15
Speaker
um one ah one of the endings anyway. So that would lead to something that he feels like he needs to complete before he can like, I don't know, feel like he can retire. um Otherwise, ah the the the other one is just,
01:25:42
Speaker
I don't know, I think after, getting this new body, not being half dead. He's kind of happy with the minute you say. He's a weird word to give him. Happy is a weird word to give him, you're right, yeah. wellll We'll have to see about that. Excited, excited maybe. Refreshed maybe. Refreshed. New found energy. yeah um He would be searching for ah more of a purpose again, especially like he helped usher in a new age. That's hard to top. True.
01:26:31
Speaker
That's a hard moment to top, but I mean, at the very least, for both endings, I think that he would want to explore um ah his his amnesia as well. That's that's something for Astra, and that's something that Tyr wants to help figure out too.
01:26:56
Speaker
yeah Yeah, because we we talked about that also. And they kind of made an agreement together to help each other with that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess that's also a motivator for Tyr as well. So he's a long way from retirement. Good. Excellent. Unless he dies. Unless he dies. Yeah. I mean, if that day happens,
01:27:27
Speaker
I'm going to fall on cry. I'll need all the snacks I can get. I need chocolate. I need a warm blanket because I will cry. yeah But every, yeah yeah if any character dies, I'm a mess. I think I'd be there. I think I'd be right there with you. Cause they're good. They're good with my plot. yeah You know, I've said many times that I'd probably cry, but that's just a lie. I'd probably just sit there and be like, okay. Like, I just, I think I'm ghost-macked. I don't think I know what to be. ah all right I can just imagine, I can just imagine Alex there sitting like, just blank stare. Like when he was dying to the clay gold.
01:28:15
Speaker
That's exactly what happened. We got a preview of that. After like 10 minutes, I'm probably making new characters because I enjoy making characters. I have like a picture for it. Yeah. Yeah, something like that. But, um, something did just dawned on me well, uh, just before the horror story is, I have talked about on this podcast before that you guys got awfully close to finding the secret that Dan had. Well, it's not Dan's secret. It's my secret. Um, and we actually messaged in the group chat like just before, uh, that you lot like might, might think, you know, I know. So,
01:28:51
Speaker
Go on then. Oh, I know. I have no clue. I have no clue. I kind of, I didn't take notes that session. So I'm so pissed at myself that I didn't write anything down for that session. And especially the tattoo conversation. Cause it happens around that. and it has something to do with but was it biking
01:29:22
Speaker
so oh Alec, that's cousin. and it was It was so surprising to me because it was such a throwaway comment that someone made. It was. And I was go smacked when it got said. I loved it, Alec. Do you know who made the comment? Yeah, I just really remember. yeah Yeah, I'm not going to say. I'm curious to know in the future. Because the thing is...
01:29:54
Speaker
The thing is, I don't remember who said it. And if I said it, I completely forgot. And that's even worse. I have no idea. It's very funny. Yeah, because it was it was such a throwaway comment. Like it was the person who said it literally just said it. And then immediately everyone moved on. Yeah, it was just a regular conversation. It got said. I was like, in my head I was thinking, please don't. Please don't lie. You're not going to get information off Dan, but if you figure something out, it's just fun. Fun is my own secret. I cannot wait to find out in the future. I think as an early prediction of my moderate understanding of Yuan's thought process is it's going to come up next arc, I think. Not in some insanely revealing way, but in some sort of way it will come up.
01:30:47
Speaker
um but I still don't think anyone will figure it out because we're traveling next arc so I feel like we'll just get to there and it will be slightly of like yeah okay okay well was whoever said it was it as a joke or were they like genuinely like were they like were they cooking It was like a... Hey, I'm not gonna lie, right? It was just a conversation.
Announcement of New Mini Arc in Third Age
01:31:14
Speaker
I really reckon... It's hard to explain it beyond throwaway comment. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. It was just a conversation that had to do with Dan. That's all. I mean, we asked Dan about his tattoos, but I don't know the reaction to it.
01:31:36
Speaker
this entire episode I've been thinking about uh something that I had planned to leave this reveal for a while um but it it is out there ah so Mike do you want to make the announcement of of something that's going to be relatively big for our group and and and not for our viewers oh but yeah I am DMing a mini arc oh I am surprised. Yeah, Alex is so surprised they didn't accidentally reveal that to him early. No, I'm not going to let it slip on Monday after everyone left. No, I'm not going to let it slip until today to be honest. I'm positive from my mind. Alex is like, okay, I'll just forget.
01:32:24
Speaker
and and We're roughly going to be set at the very beginning of the third age. and then
Contemplating a One-shot Scenario
01:32:31
Speaker
from there you have pretty much free reign to do what you want and i couldn't sleep tonight but oh boy did i think of some shit oh god i know how your know brain works because mine works the same and that is bad i am excited oh no if you do have any law questions do bounce them off me but try leave oh yeah
01:32:59
Speaker
but What would it be? Would it be like with the characters we have now or no no characters? Just a kind of one shot after everything that happens. Okay. ah one in Back in the beginning of the third age, so about 30,000 years ago. okay after the me Before the Nardigars invaded, so before the dragons and everything, before it was the country, when it was 10 independent nations. when i beenic and not um
01:33:33
Speaker
no well since they don't exist no and i'm already saying no because i have a plan for structure it will it will have potential to be a one shot but i don't think it'll be a one shot i will epic i'm already um and don't don't make characters too quickly i have uh Big ideas of, I'm i'm not gonna tell you what your character is, but I need them to be
Lore Building for the Third Age Event
01:34:05
Speaker
in a certain position. I was kind of hoping you do this. I was kind of hoping you do something like this. I would absolutely love just not having to decide, just being told. Yeah. It refrains me from going into the law and trying to make someone moderately significant. um Yeah.
01:34:28
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, Mike, just know that I will pull crazy shit on you. Do it. I love crazy. I will be playing you. No, I'm gonna regret saying this, but I messaged Mike to say that um I'm saying this because I know you're here. And if I say this with you here, I mean, you are going to run full full force with this. I messaged Mike with the prompt. I want to build out law for the third age. Would you want to DM a sort of mini campaign? So it is essentially to build out law. This is going to be a significant event. Nice. Nice. We do love rules. This will go down in history. Chaos. I can't wait to name my character something really idiotic for it to be written in a law document.
01:35:21
Speaker
And I actually got this idea after watching, um, Exandria Unlimited Calamity, which is the one bush shot that showed that Brennan DMed. Yeah. Trilled out for the past of Exandria. I was like, that's such a fun idea to get ah you guys as players invested in the world more as well. And, and well, for us to see Mike DM. Yeah. That's what I'm most excited I've gotten to think on um the question that yeah of of like, I think ah what our differences are DMing.
Dungeon Master Styles and Consequences
01:35:54
Speaker
I think I'm a lot harsher of a DM than you guys. I punish.
01:36:04
Speaker
I'll try to tone it back a little bit. go go full for No, go. Yeah. Okay. I'm going to regret this bit. I think i like I want to be a harder DM. That sounds really cruel to say, but I do. I feel like I'm quite soft. It's fun. Yeah. And I would say, andtime I would say you're harsh in the moments that really matter.
01:36:37
Speaker
Like the stuff you pull with our backstories and how everything around that develops, I think that is your way of being harsh, not a way of punishing us, but like really pulling some crazy shit that will have consequences on our characters. And if we act a certain way, that will also have an impact on whatever ah will happen. cause I agree with that. Because I still remember in the Fandalford campaign, so way back. ah Yeah, that's a long time ago. I still remember you have the old man with the orchards, ah and you made him like a retired ah soldier, I think, and my character, ah as I would do,
01:37:37
Speaker
I ah sneaked up on him and I still remember you just rolling an attack ah for me scaring that poor old guy just rolling an attack on my character and I know was okay if I pull this shit I should know that there are consequences So I think. Oh, I didn't remember that at all. Yeah, that's that's one of the few things that I still remember about that campaign, to be honest.
01:38:10
Speaker
ah But I mean, The famous consequences one is when you were given one attack and you took it upon yourself to be like, oh, I'll do another one. And she was like, uh, uh, uh, still traumatized. Those are the moments you would. use that words again on me I am no pain nope yeah that that wasn't to say with what I said I don't think you're a soft DM I I just think that I am so rude to my players
01:38:53
Speaker
so No, I don't also see you as a soft DM. And especially Alex isn't a soft DM. I don't fudge my roles enough. No, I need to make a role so bad as a DM. I hate it. Like on Monday session, i those are the worst roles I've ever made in my life. Like full stop. That was a day of just bad damage rolls after bad damage roll. Yeah. So you see like when I had Cerberus as well, them all them like 17 damage attacks were like close to minimum damage. All of them. I i i had 17 damage.
01:39:33
Speaker
and points so i had eighteen and you hit me for ra no i had more astro we have haven't seen i think We almost got through that one shot with no lesson learned, no story explored, nothing. It was about to be a really redundant one shot. Yeah. It was a desperate call I did at the end to try to figure out what the fuck was going on before we died. Cause it was like one round and almost all of us were dead. Yeah. and no one sleep I don't know. if Even if you didn't know anything, it still wouldn't have been, you'll find out it's hard to phrase. Even if you didn't ask any questions, it still would have been like important enough.
01:40:20
Speaker
that it wouldn't have mattered.
Incorporating Puzzles and Player Preferences
01:40:22
Speaker
I guess the server of the dog of Hades showing up at a fucking bigger event. There is one thing in my head that I know I'll be harsh with and it's puzzles because I enjoy them too much and there will be a lot of them. Can I maybe ask something? becauses i have Sometimes it's difficult when puzzles are like read aloud. uh so kind of yeah if maybe it can be sent uh in a in chat because i am so bad yeah i i love i love puzzles but i called from remember them i won't remember if you read it out loud although the word would go in out yeah i'll do my images same for it yeah i will be glad glad we're all functional i mean
01:41:14
Speaker
Can I ask Alex, how did you find the one shot?
Reflections on One-shot Campaign
01:41:19
Speaker
How did I find DMing it? Yeah. I honestly predicted that you lot would just try and escape because, well, I said you're not going to escape. So that just it kind of went how I thought it was going to go. It's hard. Yeah. Yeah. um I didn't know I'd pull out that voice. It just happened. um voice yeah lead to that forever yeah
01:41:46
Speaker
and um so it was a It was a voice for a a rat pet. umar hello
01:41:58
Speaker
I mean yeah ah didn't know that was going to happen. um I really want you to read every U.N. with a guess now in that voice. um Originally, that voice was going to be for like a really predominant character in the campaign. As you probably saw, really important to have that voice. I was like, you know, I'm just going to use it now. um It was a good mouse voice.
Special Character Voices and Future Hints
01:42:22
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, I do have voices lined up for some characters that I know will have specific voices.
01:42:29
Speaker
ah the goblins or like the goblins think these guys are working on it 100% you will all suffer a little bit probably 100% so yeah try and learn how they speak because if you don't understand to me I can't help I mean that's not fair but no it's quiet they won't be a strong scaleax um this just big dutch packe I'll just be Dutch and no one will understand. That's fun.
Humor and Roleplay Moments
01:43:02
Speaker
I'll say about the one shot, there's more tentacles than expected. Oh, too many. eagle
01:43:11
Speaker
I actually, I, uh, I made up that that's character with my boyfriends. So you were just thinking about possible characters to make. If I wanted to go like the basic route or if I just wanted to do something crazy. And that one was just too funny not to do. it was great It was good. It was really good. In the beginning it was like, okay, ah I'll tone it down. But then
01:43:45
Speaker
As we were drinking alcohol and also i I saw that everyone was open to it. iowa for us I I could have gone, but I went. I went there. In case you said full force, go all the way. i like you I'm glad you went there. Yeah, of course. I thought it was really funny. <unk>ius It's surprising how many It's surprising how many tentacle jokes you can make in one session. That's true, there were many. It's truly surprising.
01:44:24
Speaker
yeah Alex, this is ah a preview for what's going to happen. absolutely I'm quite excited. um But everyone will be warned, there will be traps as well. Many traps. yeah ah so we're pirates guys there's gonna be traps treasures literal traps or uh situational both but more literal than situational oh yeah okay good thing two rogues yay i mean
01:45:06
Speaker
Yes, I am a rogue. Two rogues and no frontline. Yeah, you'll be fine. You'll survive, probably.
Impact of Lacking a Healer
01:45:11
Speaker
I can tank it. We have no healer. Can you, buddy? Yes, I can. Ranma, I certainly ain't doing it. I can do anything. I mean, I think Yuwan is your character. Can they heal? Or do we have no healer? We don't have a healer. Oh, fuck. I mean,
01:45:37
Speaker
I'm, I'm, my NPC is going to be a healer. She's going to be a nurse. okay bomb yeah Oh,
Horror Tone and Mini-Arc Expectations
01:45:46
Speaker
Yeah. Anyway, moving on. quickly but too deep today I had one more thing to bring up. go on on It's quick. It's quick. Uh, you mentioned, uh, at the beginning that, um, the, the, the, your, your campaign is going to be Not yours, Alex. article
01:46:11
Speaker
It'll be more horrific because of the new age. Yes. OK. When you said that, um that lines up exactly with what I was cooking up for the mini arc. Oh, nice. Excellent. Perfect. Yeah, they they are align perfectly. I feel expected to be horrific, though, because that in law sounds like it should have been horrific for back then. Yeah. Like so much shit went down for when like I will try to make it horrific. Yeah. Sounds like it should. I think I think generally I'm good at making things horrific. You're talking about essentially there are
01:46:59
Speaker
So what there's the 12 or 11 of her alive now cataclysmic event monsters are rising. You have Zephyrra, Ignatius, like the infernal atron, you have um the shadow lord, you have Gilliganthor in- Alive? in Yeah. Vamor itself, alive, the colossal giant, the god giant. He calls the properties. He was king for a very fucking long time.
01:47:27
Speaker
It's gonna be the dark. It's gonna be really dark. Yeah, well, what were you going to say, Emma? I don't remember. Okay. Well, yeah, there's there's a lot to work with, let me see. Oh, yeah. Nervous. Horrific foreboding. Horrific foreboding. Yes. Horrific DMing. myself Not you. Not you. for The horror story. Yes, I figured.
Sandbox Campaign Stories
01:48:03
Speaker
and But this is from the players perspective. ah Title is I accidentally ruined the campaign. OK, self aware person. Yeah. um So I mean, did they ruin the campaign? We'll find out. I joined a sandbox campaign at level seven, but it started at level one. So they joined halfway through.
01:48:25
Speaker
And they made it to level 14 rough time I played in the campaign was about two years eight players with alternating DMS first ever campaign playing a half-orc battle master 10 levels a rogue assassin four levels and just one level in barbarian Not really have any idea how to roleplay. So just try to be funny I Jumping out of windows when I'm caught sneaking and just tank the full damage like a losing. Yep um Get mind controlled by an Abilith, and I have to come up with a deep personal dream for the Abilith to tempt me, around level 10 at the time. Deep dive or claw between game sessions, come up with a goal of building a homeland for orcs. Way later at level 13, we get a year of downtime. I build a village slash fort and gather a half orcs and orcs to but live there. Even got one of the parties, which is to put a new tower in my valley village. Things are going great. After the downtime, we hit level 14,
01:49:20
Speaker
and go deal with Rakshasa that had infiltrated a royal court. The whole time the king is calling my new town a shithole and just generally being an ass to me specifically. After saving his kingdom and son from the devil, I asked for a formal apology instead of payment. The king then gives me a gold bar with what he said was an apology inscribed on it in elvish. Get back to base and ask the elf pirate queen, swashbackless as eldish knight slash sorcerer in the party to translate the inscription. It tells me to fuck myself. I returned to the king by myself and killed the king and all his metal relatives, taking his kingdom for my people.
Party Dynamics and Moral Decisions
01:49:58
Speaker
a Party freaks out campaign and campaign ends because they say I'm the villain. No one in the party was good aligned. We're all some kind of neutral except for the Paladin Warlock who was lawful evil at the time due to backstory issues.
01:50:10
Speaker
We'd burned cities together, slayed lesser gods hand-in-hand. We were the bane to Yuanti and Githyanki alike. Demons feared us, and yeah, what broke us apart? One king with problem with orcs. I still play at the same table, the same people, but I think about this at least once a month. This was the closest we got to level 20 and I ruined it. I mean... It's not a horror story. No. It's not a horror story.
01:50:40
Speaker
like i don't doubt i don't have I don't have much to comment on it to be fair. I would say I would have done exactly the same.
01:50:53
Speaker
Yeah, I was going to say the DM got out storied. Yeah. If you are going to provoke a player like that, expect it. That's yeah.
Player-DM Interactions
01:51:11
Speaker
One of the comments. If you can't deal with, like you give your players, like if I said that to you, I would fully expect some kind of retribution. And I would be prepared for that. And I would be prepared to deal with the consequences of taunting you. Yeah. Is that regicide? It's regicide. There are consequences for players, but also for DMs. And I think it seems like the table is okay with it. Yeah. Then there's no problem. One of the comments says, so you killed a racist and a monarch with one swing and your party didn't like it. Are they British by any chance? come out Great comment. that's good
01:51:59
Speaker
yeah that is really The DM could have continued the story. Yeah. Plenty of possible consequences for that. Yeah. That's so fun. Like you have a kingdom now of of monstrous creatures rising up. And you could really work with that. Hmm? Yeah. I agree. It's not taxing people. Exactly. Make some money. yeah What's the next step after a kingdom? A god.
01:52:37
Speaker
yeah I mean, You could have made to the players the big bad evil of the campaign. It'd also be fun. oh no robb first card and I just thought of that's that's tears retirement goal. Kill God. Oh God. Don't track me in with it! So Teyr has not only become monotheistic, he has not had to kill his monotheistic god.
Speculation on Rat Pack Storyline
01:53:12
Speaker
I don't know! but I mean, Norfin will have beef with that, so... There's already beef, it's fine. Unless Teyr's goal is to become god.
01:53:28
Speaker
No, he'll kill God in that. Nevermind, I shouldn't say that in a recording. but
01:53:42
Speaker
Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Oh, oh, that session. Oh, sorry, go on. We will probably a return to the Rat Pack. Right? Yeah. Oh, we will. Oh, definitely. awesome Yeah. Yeah, that's just practice. yes oh just gro Just grinding some levels. yeah And we have a voice for the Rat Language now.
01:54:15
Speaker
but Yes.
Religious Schism and Character Impact
01:54:19
Speaker
I have been working on Rat Pack lore. um o So because of what you've done, um you will not be going back to fight in a civil war holy war holy war holy war holy war. You are going to go back in a couple of generation time when there is a significant religious schism going on. yeah there are There are two faiths. There is going to be
01:54:54
Speaker
um ah face honoring The the gods Astra, Finnan and Norphine and then who they and they will be fighting the devil of Tyr and Another faith, the golden gods, the golden brothers. Tia the Shining and Dan the Holy. I'm excited about that, but also Tia's gonna be like, what the fuck, I didn't want any of this. I already have IDs.
01:55:29
Speaker
Dan's gonna bathe in the bloods of his enemies in the form of rats, I can't wait. Yes, Dan is going to be sick to you, Mike and Alex. Dan and Tia are going to be seen as devils by half the schism. That's fine by me.
01:55:45
Speaker
We're gonna have our Narnia arc.
01:55:51
Speaker
i mean It's essentially what it is. Yeah. like What trauma are you going to do this alongside?
01:56:01
Speaker
um want introduce When you and and interject something like this into something. I have an idea. I have a very good idea.
Campaign Doorbell Invention
01:56:10
Speaker
But yeah, thank you both for coming and and and and joining us today to shoot this shit about Mark 1. Yeah. oh Like, Yuan, can I still ask you one thing? Go on, yeah, go on. Would there be a possibility to invent a doorbell?
01:56:38
Speaker
I'll tell you what, I'll do a roll. it's right here who a role Ending on the best question. We'll make doorbells. Uh, anything below that, doorbells are but a distant memory never to be mentioned again on pain of death. I mean, we have to recording. Fuck. Yeah. Arcane doorbells. Yes. You've not met them yet, but there are two archivists in the campaign. That's you what? Archivists. Note to self.
01:57:16
Speaker
and i expect the doorbell no noises they will have a doorbell no the noises i'm gonna need an clip of the doorbell noise for my campaign to use the sound let me let me warm up let me warm up i'veve i've got to get in the mindset of the doorbell before i can
01:57:43
Speaker
Ding dong. Ding dong. That was it. That settles it. If tear dies, I'm becoming a doorbell artificer. yeah
01:57:57
Speaker
perfect character
01:58:01
Speaker
so okay yeah i'm done but very much for joining us We have ah another busy episode next week. We have a couple of more guests coming on um yeah from AAA podcast. But do you do you guys have any final statements to make before we finish talking
Reflecting on Emotional Impact
01:58:23
Speaker
about Arcone for a while?
01:58:27
Speaker
Here's a pure good angel boy. Astra? I love light.
01:58:37
Speaker
oh
01:58:41
Speaker
that's That's... I kind of want to reveal something. Oh.
01:58:55
Speaker
But I'm... I'm doubting how I should swear this. Just say it. Because it won't give out its context. That's true. Why don't you say it the less context he has for it? But the thing is, what I'm going to say will... cause... it will make sense because he'll he'll understand something but not be able to figure out more that's true it has to do with the deal oh okay can i say i'm asking permission juan can i say
01:59:48
Speaker
okay ah I'm going to say yes because I'm not talking about that. Wait, i'll I'll quickly send you a
Closing Remarks and Future Teasers
01:59:57
Speaker
message. OK, Alex, what is your closing statement about the end of this arc? You've made Dan a sad man. Just know that. Is that it? Dan is sad. ah Yeah, also, um
02:00:16
Speaker
one of you two was the ones that said that throw away comment that's how i'm gonna end that because i'm not gonna say it's just one of you two oh that's cruel it doesn't help at all i don't don't remember at all oh oh yes you could absolutely say that okay uh astral won't have a subclass at level three
02:00:47
Speaker
Thank you very much for watching guys. ah We're Lich Plz. We're on every podcast channel, Spotify, YouTube. This comes out on a Saturday. And we'll see you next week. Alex is in pain right now. Bye.