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Lich Please ! Episode 9
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This week we have 2 players from Iwan's other campaign - Elena and Beauty
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Introduction and Welcome
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, and welcome back to the Lich Please podcast. I'm Euan, and always I'm here with my co-host, Alex. I want to welcome two members of my Wednesday campaign. Feel free to introduce yourselves. Hello, I'm Alina. I play Leah in Euan's Wednesday sessions. She is a paladin. That's about it for her. She's not too interesting.
00:00:30
Speaker
Hi, I'm Beauty. I play Sorshana, the bard of the party.
Campaign Dynamics and Animosity
00:00:37
Speaker
Yeah, so you guys are doing the exact same campaign, but different groups, which is proving interesting for me. It's already caused some animosity.
00:00:52
Speaker
It's just slight animosity. There is some... Yes! There is some shade being thrown from both sides. Thrown at you, for you. No one else, just you, Joanne. You. You get the shit. Right. Come on, Alex. Air your grievances. What's wrong, buddy? My grievances? We've been playing for so long and I still know nothing about this prophecy. And then you turn around to me
00:01:19
Speaker
in an episode and go Alex by the way they know more than you yeah yeah yeah during the session he was like oh you know more than the the Monday group now and it's like oh that's surprising i think we've had maybe half the sessions exactly pretty much exactly how pain pain as a law grumbling it's painful it's so painful you
00:01:47
Speaker
You do know more in some aspects, but they know more specifically. I know what we're more of, right? Like we have more options, but it doesn't help. Like it's irrelevant. Like it's just made things more confusing for us than anything. So I would argue we know less, like significantly, like a staggering amount. It's annoying. I mean we did have to go through and honestly
00:02:17
Speaker
terrifying encounter to get this information. Yeah. Can I
Deadly Encounters and Challenges
00:02:24
Speaker
say that? Do you want to? Go ahead. Yeah. No, go ahead. So you tell us what happened in that encounter. You'd feel elected. So he essentially put a death word up against a level two party. Killing Lena almost immediately. Like fully dead. Not even death saved. Fully dead. Yeah.
00:02:49
Speaker
I spent a lot of the rest of that encounter on mute, pacing my room, honestly seething.
00:03:05
Speaker
i was like he wouldn't he wouldn't just kill us but also maybe yes he would it's not the title of our campaign on dnd beyond the description says my first tpk will happen it's he he would he would he absolutely got very close i would but it wouldn't it wouldn't be permadeath i wouldn't intentionally keep it but unintentionally yes yeah unintentionally that i mean it can happen that's nearly happened on our one it was
00:03:37
Speaker
The fact that you told us how much HP the enemy had, I was like, we're definitely like, this isn't death death. Something else is going on here, but also this is horrible. Yeah.
00:03:52
Speaker
It was. It wasn't pleasant for me. I mentioned during the session when I ran it before something similar. I gave them a dragon and it like just wiped them out and it was like a nice quick death for them all. The race was pretty slow and painful. I hate it. It was not enjoyable to be fair. I would hate to actually be in that situation like fully in a campaign where you're just like watching the party die slowly. Don't worry. And you haven't gone full. You'll get there soon. Don't worry. I will.
00:04:21
Speaker
It reminds me of what episode episode three of never after. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Where it was unintentional. We didn't know what we were getting into. No. And to that way.
00:04:41
Speaker
It was a rough session. You guys made it out. You're all okay. You're fine. We know stuff now and we're also all fluent in the button language. We are all fluent in buttonish, which is more paved. Again. Sorry. Who asked for the language?
00:05:06
Speaker
I think it was Kaylin? I think it was. I think it was Kaylin. I don't remember. But yeah, you weren't that fluent. Yeah, we were like, could you at least make one of us fluent? And the God was just like, yeah, sure, why not? So now we're all fluent and we barely rolled for it.
00:05:34
Speaker
pain pain 20 sessions i'm not even joking i've been rolling for so long i'm one role one role i'm one natural 20 off of getting this it's sad it's so sad and i'm the closest and my character is the closest to speaking buttonish which i think is funny because i'm the dumbest character
00:05:59
Speaker
Yeah, but yes, the language that was created because we wanted it to be created, we have not learned. Yes.
00:06:06
Speaker
I mean, our party, I mean, we care, but it's not very high up on our priority, the button stuff. It's not.
Group Philosophies: Goal-Oriented vs Exploratory
00:06:14
Speaker
Like, we forget every few sessions. Yeah. We're really not worried about anything at the moment. No, you're not. Which is, I think, one of the main differences is. It's like the biggest difference. Yeah, you guys are very, are very, Wednesday are very goal orientated, and you are aware that you need to kill the goblins.
00:06:37
Speaker
And that is what you're doing, whereas you Monday are very map orientated and you want to visit all the little places on the map. So that's what you're doing. I mean, it's gotten us fun stuff. Not, you know, it's gotten you into things. It's gotten us things that make my brain hell for like a week. Yeah. Yes, we get fun stuff. Not death, not death inducing things. That's something we go. We know, you know,
00:07:09
Speaker
So, favourite classes and subclasses. They can be different, they can be different. You can go for different things. But, what would you say are your favourite classes and subclasses?
00:07:21
Speaker
Uh, I haven't played enough D&D to really know. Um, this is my second big, uh, campaign. Oh, right. Okay. Yeah. So, um, my previous campaign, I played a Phantom Rogue, which was fun. Oh, nice. I loved her. It was great fun. Yeah. But mostly.
00:07:45
Speaker
Yeah, I don't really know them that well. I know I prefer like martial classes over spell casting, just generally, because my first character was mainly spell casting, and half the time I just ended up trying to stab someone. So yeah. That's fair. When I first typed into the indie, I was immediately one of the spell casters.
00:08:11
Speaker
One of my first ones was like a druid cleric build, but I personally am a wizard main. And the spell, or the subclass I prefer is divination. Oh nice. Yeah.
00:08:26
Speaker
It's a good one. It's a strong one. It's a pain to DM for because you can have a really good role and you're like, okay, this is gonna increase the combat, make it more interesting, make it more complex.
Future Campaign Plans: Pirates Ahoy?
00:08:43
Speaker
And the divination was a good, nope, not one. And you're like, what? That always happened. I felt like that happened in one of my campaigns with a divination with it.
00:08:56
Speaker
And there was times when they would just, they would just bank the roles and they'd be like, this is, we're going to keep this Nat 20. And like at a critical moment, they just drop it. I'm like, ah. Yeah. I am just like that. One of my first Wizards ever was actually an octopus. That's really cool. Fair enough.
00:09:26
Speaker
I've known people with random races for their characters. I mean, the ideas for the pirate campaign have been thoroughly interesting. We're going to have a monkey. And not like one of the players. So that would be fun. On the pirate campaign, I think there's something that you've been asking me to say. And I was like, I think it's best if it comes from you. Have I? Yes.
00:09:56
Speaker
I forget now on camera. Okay. So, um, so we start the pirate campaign. Um, we start the pirate campaign after we finished arc one, which is when all the, the, uh, goblin.
00:10:10
Speaker
kind of things are killed, which will be like December or something. I don't know. It depends how fast we work. Maybe a bit later. Yeah, it's going to be late. I know it. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So basically I asked you, and I'm guessing he's not asked solely for the fact that he just has this question to me. I asked you and I was like, oh,
00:10:39
Speaker
Are you still gonna keep DMing the Wednesday campaign when they finish arc 1 or do you want me to do? The pirate campaign on Wednesdays when they finish arc 1 and he was like I can ask them I was like, yeah sure It's up to you So basically I was gonna he was meant to ask the Wednesday group. So you guys if
00:11:01
Speaker
after ARK1 you wanted a pirate themed campaign for an ARK and then his and then like mine. Cause that's what we do on Mondays. Basically what we'll do. What we'll be doing. Yeah. So I mean, that's just like a free question to the Wednesday group is after you finish ARK1, do you want a pirate campaign? And then you go into like mine. I mean, it sounds fun, but I feel like we'd need to talk to everyone about it and talk with everyone. Yes.
00:11:38
Speaker
yeah I think they'd be probably down yeah I think me hailing probably would
00:11:51
Speaker
Yeah, it's going to be chaotic. Yes, it will be. Not my choice. Especially since you want to you want to you want to homebrew pirate themed classes with everyone. So I feel like you guys have a lot of fun with that. Yeah.
00:12:06
Speaker
That would be fun, mostly because good pirate classes don't exist. And it would wrap in with your backstory. It's a whole thing. Which I've done my first one, and technically you've done yours, but we haven't done it properly. But we're going to go over it, yeah. Yes. But me and one of the other players have already done one. Yes, I'm so excited. It's going to be so fun. It's better than any other class I've seen. It's great.
00:12:35
Speaker
It should be good. Not getting anyone's expectations up. It should be fun. And yeah, we'll probably start after December. Unless if my group is hearing this on Mondays, if you guys want to be really quick, like if we just bum rush all the goblin bases, just single mind, just every session, go to one, that's fine by me. Then we can start December.
00:13:00
Speaker
You know I'm not going to let that happen. I know. You know I'm not going to let that happen. It was worth a try.
Character Dislikes and Group Differences
00:13:09
Speaker
So one character that crosses over in both campaigns, who both groups mutually dislike, is Irvine.
00:13:17
Speaker
He's a character in both campaigns. He started as a character of mine. And I was like, I liked his dick-ish personality. And I kind of toned up to 100. And I'll just plop him in. Is that the button man? No, Ervan is the Tiefling. No, it's Todd. Oh, yeah. Todd. Yeah, sorry, Todd. It's Todd. Did you guys bring the name of this? Yeah.
00:13:48
Speaker
They just call him Todd to his face repeatedly. Fair enough. Fair enough. And the next time we see him, we're giving him a flower crown because he was being mean and said, oh, are you going to go off and make daisy chains or something? So now we've made flower crowns for all of us and we're called daisy chains. Yes. I mean, we've only spoken to him twice, I think.
00:14:17
Speaker
The first impression was very poor from him. Very poor. Yeah. Yeah. But like that wasn't, that was when Dan was not a full fledged Dan. I feel like given Dan's personality at the current point in time, if Dan was to meet him the first time.
00:14:35
Speaker
he would probably throw him through the door. It would be something. He wouldn't be impressed. I would not be happy. But I think we've only spoken to him twice. Once before the Goblin Escort mission thing. And then once afterwards, maybe. But we haven't seen him since. I don't think so. Not to my recollection.
00:15:03
Speaker
I can't remember. I feel like you've seen him more than that. You've seen him more than that. Yeah, you guys have. You guys moved too quickly for me to bring him up. Like I'll plan to have him arrive in a session. You're like, oh, we're leaving town. And I'm like, well, okay. It makes very little sense for him to turn up now. I think we take a long time to get anywhere or do anything. So that helps.
00:15:29
Speaker
It makes things easier to drop in characters, but like, I don't know. You guys are kind of catching up with them, even though you're like half the sessions in terms of like place you are and location you're at, which is interesting. I don't know. I don't know why. Cause I don't feel like your pace is like this set. It's really, I don't know how you've caught up. You shouldn't have. I think it comes down to like you guys being very gold orientated that you're like, we have to kill these goblins.
00:15:59
Speaker
we're gonna kill these goblins. We don't really have a motivation to explore. Our main motivation is the kind of the reward we've been promised and kind of this mystery that is unfurling through actually doing these encounters whilst also doing like extra jobs on the side. We're not exploring because like at least half, I think at least a few of the party are literally from the country that we're in so it's
00:16:28
Speaker
it's less of, oh, we want to explore this new environment and more, we've been promised a lot of money. And there's also this really weird conspiracy going on. And we kind of want to see what's going on there. We've only got one promise, don't we? It's just Finland, isn't it?
00:16:50
Speaker
Finland not from someone no one is from where we are sick. No one I Mean Finland's from BAM all Hmm. Oh, okay. I'm the night mount. Yeah, like place. I'm from um, um, Oh, what's it? It begins with Oh, I'll remember it. Okra okra. There you go. Oh
00:17:10
Speaker
That's where I'm at. Very, very down far north. Yes. We won't ever, we won't go to Okra in like a long time. Like, I have no expectations. You might do it. I mean, if you, if you force the issue, you will. Yes, but I'm not going to. Leah is from down south as well, right? But she's from an old, deserty place. Athil, I feel like, maybe? No, it was the foresty one. Oh, Audra. Yeah, I think. That's the one. I can double check if I don't have the
00:17:41
Speaker
I'm pretty sure it's like wardrobe. Yeah, wardrobe. You're a dwarf, technically. You're from the dwarf country. There's a dwarf country? See, as much as I'm a war gremlin, I've not read up on countries. I decided I'm only going to read when we get to that country. Nice. I just haven't touched the countries. Then everything else is not the countries. But yeah, we'll get to that.
00:18:09
Speaker
I think there's also a big difference in the campaign that we've not really covered is the... I mean, you guys know, the Raven Queen aspect is not covered because none of you guys are connected to the Raven Queen Wednesday. So that also adds another factor that Monday are very invested in, because there's the whole Raven Queen aspect which doesn't involve you guys, which I completely threw in because someone wanted to be connected to the Raven Queen. You mean the child in the Raven Queen?
00:18:39
Speaker
I mean, I can neither confirm nor deny that, Alex, as you know. In terms of theories, what do you...
Theories and Prophecies Discussion
00:18:55
Speaker
Let's see what Alex thinks of your guys' theories on the prophecies of what is happening and what you think is going to happen.
00:19:05
Speaker
Well, it's kind of don't because I can't give away what we know that they don't exactly. Yeah. Because I have theories about that specific thing. But like, we found out all this stuff last session, we got the actual prophecy last session, we found out
00:19:28
Speaker
that piece of information that we're not allowed to talk about last session. The actual prophecy? You're one, you bastard! What do you mean, the actual prophecy? Hey, hey, hey. When you ask a god for the prophecy, they give you the prophecy. I did! I said, what's the most accurate prophecy? And you said, and I repeat, as a god, they're all accurate. So, so why? Why? Just hell. This is torture.
00:19:55
Speaker
which god had you asked how traumatised were you because this god put us through a lot and he was like yeah i'll give you five questions because i think you deserve it because that was kind of messed up
00:20:10
Speaker
no we um we went to some place and like i it it wasn't really traumatic we sacrificed some blood i kind of thought yuan wanted uh that armor to kill us more and it did nothing it didn't hurt anyone that armor was useless i'm so happy we bested them two pieces of armor yes you did really good yes we are going to face that armor next session i'm pretty sure yes they are are they in the same place we are they are heading there yeah
00:20:40
Speaker
Oh, that's pretty cool. I like that place. I mean, we've not fully done it. It's taken us two sessions, so we get very distracted. You guys have just done the puzzle, right? Yeah, we... Yeah, you've just done the puzzle and they're just about to walk in. So that's what they're at on that one.
00:20:58
Speaker
nice yeah i really hope we do the same thing that we did last time which is accidentally not set up any set off any traps yeah wait they didn't set off any traps in the last crate no no you're the one that you guys went to the the one with the first prophecy that one yeah the one where you spent 20 minutes crossing the floor yes 20 real minutes yes yeah no they just walked in
00:21:25
Speaker
Did they just walk in? Did they sell off the skeletons? No. I feel cheated. That blasphemy. I feel cheated. You know that. Wow. I thought it was riddled. Like we all thought it was riddled with traps. That's like, I've just had, wow. Wow. Wow.
00:21:49
Speaker
I think it was Lena that didn't set the traps off, even though she might have, or could have at least. It was actually Palin. It was reading of the prophecy. Yeah. One of them was the reading of the prophecy thing, because I said, Leah wouldn't read it out loud, mainly because I didn't want to. But at that point, I was just like, oh, she could be dyslexic. I can just, that could be a good excuse, because it had to be
00:22:17
Speaker
a certain person to read it out. So just accidentally. And also we were doing a specific walking order the entire session and we just kept on doing it and it accidentally was exactly the correct thing.
00:22:34
Speaker
Alex looks so sad right now and I'm living for it. It's not your guys' fault, it's the DM in the top right corner. There's also, I think, quite a big thing that we've not covered that I feel like you guys need to berate Alex for.
00:22:59
Speaker
What happened in session two, Alex? Oh, we don't talk about session two. We do talk about session two. It's a session that's called problems. We don't... I don't actually know if you guys know this. I feel like... They do. Oh, they do. Oh, okay. Yeah, we left the people we were meant to be escorting.
00:23:28
Speaker
And they might have died, like most of them. And we might have failed our job. But we left to kill goblins, all right? We just wanted to clear the way for everyone. Yeah. But they died. And they died. And you know what has just reminded me? Since that session, nothing has come up with the fact that Lashara knew the people who went after them. Nothing. Not a single thing. No one's talked about it. I've completely forgotten. Now I've remembered.
00:23:59
Speaker
This is important. Hey Alex, who's to say it hasn't come up?
NPCs and Mission Reflections
00:24:04
Speaker
Awwww! See? Why? Why? This is just... I think your one lives for torturing my brain. Like it's... it's...
00:24:14
Speaker
It's why we haven't hit level three yet, because I homebrewed the subclass and he doesn't want me to use it yet. He just wants to see how long it takes before I lose it mentally. No, that's not the reason. If the reason you're clevening at last, it's not the reason it's not happening now. I see. I knew as well. I knew I'd be going last. I knew it. I said to Michael, like a week ago, I said, I'm going to be the last to level up. I'm telling you now. And then he was like, oh,
00:24:42
Speaker
I want to level up quick because paladins until level three are really not great. I was like, okay. Now, the reason I think you're level up last is because backstory reasons. See, that's understandable. The actual reason. I just want to say something. How useful is Annaly as an NPC guys?
00:25:06
Speaker
Oh, she's great. She's lovely. Yeah, she's really useful, isn't she? She's gave us a very nice magic item that was really nice. And because our cleric doesn't heal, so our cleric wears it. Is that the necklace? And helps out. It is the necklace. But we got that. You also, you do, but Annalie can upgrade it for these guys because, you know, she's alive.
00:25:31
Speaker
Yeah, that's no need to rub salt in the wind, right? We're literally saving up money so we can go back to their shop to get.
00:25:41
Speaker
all the cool magical items that she sells. That is like our main priority. Again because she's alive. We saw the goblins running away and I was like that's not our priority. We've been tasked to protect this wagon so we're gonna stay here because why would someone go after them? Because they might come back.
00:26:09
Speaker
Why would someone go after him? That is an amazing question. When that was said, I had to mute myself because of laughing so much. It's too late. It happened like eight months ago. I don't know. It's done. It happened a while ago, yeah. It's done. Is it?
00:26:33
Speaker
is there anything sorry go on no go on you go sorry uh i'm glad that uh the party uh actually didn't go after the goblins and that we have this person with magical items to go get them
00:26:52
Speaker
I'm sorry Alex. It's okay. It's okay. I'm fine. Are you out? No, no. No I'm not. It's sad because my characters was one of the ones who wanted to do it as well. Like I don't have any excuse. Like I was like one of the forefront people like who wanted to kill those goblins. Yeah.
00:27:18
Speaker
Who did, who did, it was one of us who rolled the perception check and saw it and was just like, that's not our problem. I can't remember who it was, but someone named, someone. Tacko maybe, I think it was Tacko. Maybe, probably. It was just, oh, that's not really our problem. We'll stay here.
00:27:38
Speaker
Because the fight wasn't technically over at that point, I don't think. I actually can't remember. It was a while ago. Yeah, our fight wasn't over and we ran after them. Our fight wasn't over and there's someone. I can't remember who it was at this point, but like someone went after them. LaShara. Oh, was it? Yeah. There you go. LaShara. Yeah. And then it all went downhill from there. It was. Yeah. I mean, you guys would have been paid for fighting the Slards, right? Like.
00:28:09
Speaker
yes yeah yeah we just got oh well done you're redeemed ish yeah you know no no money we got a party and um fun npc stuff yeah we got the party go ahead no you go 300 gold each i think as well 350 each yeah yeah yeah was that seriously
00:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Oh wait, I think I actually owe Michael some more money then. I think it only is like 60. That's what I was thinking. Give Michael his money. I need to write that down. But we got the wrap bag and we got... They do have the wrap bag as well. And we got the... Who was the familiar? Who got that familiar?
00:29:07
Speaker
Ah, Soshana. Got the familiar? Yeah. Yeah. Soshana got a pseudo dragon. Yeah, a pseudo dragon. They've only got like seven health, don't they? Yeah. Yeah. Are they not ready now? No. Still, when did they get that? We've got two animal companions. So, plus in that bag. Two? Yeah. Kaylee's got a cat.
00:29:36
Speaker
you've got an animal companion you've got george and the spider no no no it's not the same it's not the same at all half our party was scared of the spider or george it's like it's not the same it's a they're two bugs two bugs it's it's comp it's no how dare you pain pain it was but it was in backstory so that's why
00:30:04
Speaker
Um, that makes sense. The cat is involved. Yeah. Is it speaking cat? No, it's not. It's just a cat. It's just as far as I know, a relatively podgy cat. Fair enough. That's cool. I mean, if Dan wants a cat, Dan can get a cat. Dan has a rock, please. Dan doesn't need a rock. Dan's got his pet rock.
00:30:29
Speaker
And he'll die by the pet rock. I love that. I keep forgetting about the pet rock. I can't forget about the pet rock. He just exists. I think Leo would be the kind of person to have a pet rock at some point. I know. I think the pet rock was somewhere and he came along. I think it was at the... Did you guys go to the castle? No. Oh, yes. No, I think you did. With the undead and the necromancer.
00:31:00
Speaker
No, they didn't, they didn't. Ah, that was a fun castle. That's where the pet rock's from. That's where the pet rock is from. And it always comes back, but wander us wrong, as you will. Oh, I love that rock. Um, yeah, a pet's are cool. That was, I think that was your race. Um, that was a tough combat. But we've had a lot of tough, like objective, like I nearly died two sessions ago.
00:31:32
Speaker
like just on rolls I just nearly died so the point of the wraith was to make sure that we understood that anyone could die at any point which I feel like you didn't need to scare us as much as you did it was it also served as I think kind of a
00:31:57
Speaker
because Monday is so like map, like the small places is where the law stuff are on the map. Whereas you guys don't go to those. It was also kind of be like, oh, you can, these are places you can explore without directly telling you these are places you can explore. Which thinking back now would be an easier way to do it than trying to kill the entire party to tell you by throwing guards. But hey, it happened. You guys had a fun combat and you beat the race.
00:32:26
Speaker
Yeah, we almost run away, which you didn't have a plan for. I was like, you know what, you run away and he's like, yeah, okay, I don't have anything planned for that for sure. I mean, it's a small idea, it's a right idea, it's a smart idea to run. It was a choice between leaving players behind and trying to survive.
00:32:54
Speaker
for some of the other players, because by the time they thought about running away, Leah was dead dead already. I was already thinking about it, but I was like, but we're leaving Leah behind.
00:33:12
Speaker
Yeah, that was... I was trying to reassure you, like, Leah would have understood. It's fine, you can go. I... yeah, just save yourselves. I mean, I would have gone back anyways for Leah and just been like, guys, we need to revive this person because they're important to the party.
00:33:35
Speaker
I would have worked something out if you'd ran. I would have worked something out. I definitely wanted, if we had ran away, I definitely would have wanted to come back just to rescue Leah and someone else to revive her. I mean that's nice.
00:33:56
Speaker
Yeah I think yeah I mean there would have been powerful clerics in like most of the major towns and like villages that you would have visited so that would have been possible.
Inter-Group Experience Exchange
00:34:05
Speaker
Do you guys though have any questions for Monday and does Alex have any questions for Wednesday? You know my questions. You can't ask your questions. You can't ask that question. I have one.
00:34:21
Speaker
what kind of like uh would make you and kind of like think i know what would make him what thank god i see like what would you know actively stop oh i feel like we do that a lot because we don't do we don't do anything according to plan like ever i don't think there's been a single thing we've decided that we're going to do and done it um
00:34:50
Speaker
The tactic is if you have intrusive thoughts, like during the week about anything, doesn't have to be campaign related, just do it on the session. That's what I do, at least. That's what I try and do. Any intrusive thought I have, I just do. And then you can just discuss the idea with the part. For instance, I have a pet rock because I asked
00:35:16
Speaker
And then I have a, I broke, you guys know Niles, right? The shopkeeper. Do you know? Do they know that? I don't think you ever, you ever really went into that story, in Fally and the General Good. So I don't think you ever really went in there because you just spoke to Annalie. Oh. Yeah, no. Yeah.
00:35:44
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I, I, um, I went into, I, I sell him alcohol. It's a thing I'm a merchant basically, but, um, I sell him alcohol. And then I, I, uh, that started because I found a bottle of alcohol and in a gobbling camp.
00:36:04
Speaker
So if you just find something really small and irrelevant,
00:36:10
Speaker
and then just decide it's really important, Joanne will have to stop and think of it. And it becomes a big thing. Like the buttons, like the button Lord didn't exist until we found a crate of buttons. And that was absolutely, absolutely regret that. So if you find something that you're like, oh, this is probably not important, make it important. And then he'll just be confused. Run with it. Make it a bit and I will include it in some way.
00:36:38
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i will make it something relevant we have the creepy food that makes you do have the creepy food that makes a noise that's so cool food that we've got it was screaming nuts screaming nessvakra whispering rice and murmuring moose murmuring moose now technically
00:37:04
Speaker
Dan Bing from Okra? Would he not know about the screaming nuts of Okra? Just, just ask. He would. Bro, just throw the question out there. Oh, that's great. He, he, he would. I know what Dax is, he's everywhere to ask him what I was for.
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00:38:23
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Yeah, that's code Lich, please, for 20% off everything. In capitals, guys. No spaces. Just Lich, please. What capitals? Right now. Yeah. Wow. Crazy, that. Small world. Incredible. Yeah, I know. But yeah, there is a question I have had
00:38:45
Speaker
uh for the other campaign is like how did you guys come across the goblin camps in the first place because we had our in from going to the first camp and then one of the the characters who like had to leave was her dad gave us the whole missions for the goblin camps like how did you uh uncle uncle how did you come across the uh the goblin camps
00:39:11
Speaker
We were asked to start looking at them by a noble who is important to one of our characters' backstories. I think it was Tako. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's Tako. It's Tako's ex-husband. That we don't know. Yeah.
00:39:41
Speaker
Yeah, who was, I mean, Tako's told one member of the party about it. Pip, I think. Yeah, I think it is Pip. But yeah, the rest of us are just like, oh, she really needed the toilet and missed that meeting. Other stuff was happening. It was quite interesting, actually. But yeah, if we were just kind of asked to look into it, because
00:40:09
Speaker
you know, merchant stuff and also really offered a lot of money to do it.
00:40:17
Speaker
nice it's pretty much it pretty much covers it yeah fair enough i mean that that's also brought me to another question of great importance this one um have you guys got a deep distrust for each other uh and did you make chats in private to figure out conspiracy theory it's an insane question half our party have a
00:40:40
Speaker
deep distrust for everyone. It's the backstories and the stuff that's happened. So yeah. The only one that distrusts anyone in the party the most would be Taco with like the royal people, so me and Kaylin, just because we're royal. And that's
00:41:09
Speaker
Go ahead. Yeah. I mean, yeah, as, as a party, we don't like, we have a chat without you and obviously, but, um, like, I don't think any of us have like, apart from taco, all of us have like pretty, we're very transparent, I guess about like, what's going on with us. Yeah. Uh,
00:41:34
Speaker
Yeah. It's the only taco who's doing secretive stuff. Um, and like, I think the only one who really would be suspicious is Pip who knows everything already. Yeah. Well, most of it at least. Um, the rest, we're just like, Oh, this is fun. We're having fun. Um, and I guess we don't talk about our backstories much, but nobody's really keeping secrets.
00:42:02
Speaker
so you guys haven't gone to like whiskers so you guys haven't gone to whiskers a lot a few times yeah only when we're talking twice maybe yeah it'd be three times how many times no wait it would be twice because it was one with caden and one with nieces yeah yeah
00:42:26
Speaker
How many times have we gone to whisper that? Like every session. And it's never me. I've never been. I'm always the one listening. And it's really sad. It's really just infuriating. I'm pretty sure everyone else has been to whispers. Maybe not here. But I'm so sure everyone has been. I know. Tia's been. It's just me. I'm the only person whose whole backstory is known.
00:42:52
Speaker
It's sad. It's just it's yes. No one's everyone keeps secrets. I mean, it adds for flavor. But it's definitely interesting. Yes. But like, I mean, like, since session one, the party was just distrustful of each other from the get go. Not even just because like, don't be wrong, we're all friends and it's amazing. But as as our characters,
00:43:19
Speaker
Everyone likes to keep secrets. Like, are you guys all half, like, are your races known? You guys know each other kind of races. You know each other's races. Everyone's a half elf apart from you, Goliath. And Lila, who's an elf? It's a lie. It's not true. It's not a lie. We have a nice range of races and everyone is pretty transparent. We've got a full elf. I think we've got
00:43:49
Speaker
Do we have, we've got a Tabaxi, we have, I think so. Is, is Tako a half elf? Or? Yes. Yeah. Uh, Liya's a furborg and, um, Shousana, I don't actually know what your race is, but it's like not something that's, I think that's just because I'm not paying attention. Yeah. Yeah. Just not paying attention half the time. Yeah.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah, so it's a nice range. That's that's a cool range. Yeah Yeah, I'm the only very much stick out Yeah, it's it's an odd pairing yeah, I'm grouping we stick out not for the race of our characters I'd argue we stick out cuz we're imbeciles like sometimes Mostly down into You know character choice
00:44:47
Speaker
Yeah, damn. I imagine trusting your party members. Just what an amazing time that must be. I think most of the MPCs we encounter trust us as well. Like, apart from Todd, most of them like us, I think. Apart from that one incident with the old lady you slept with. That's because you ghosted us. Oh, um,
00:45:17
Speaker
Thalia Dawnbreaker, you know the lady in the Slard village in the place where I slept every night? Yeah, to Shana Bonkter. Which lady? Wait, oh, the place we slept in? Okay, yeah. Yeah, to the Guildhall. Yeah, nice. Fair enough. He was only a little bit awkward. Oh, it happened in session? Okay. I thought it was just like, okay, yeah, fair enough.
00:45:44
Speaker
No, it happened and then it faded to black because... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, later on, after being ghosted for a few days... I just tried cleaning the bathroom, which ended up horribly for me. Yeah. Understandable. I mean, we haven't had a moment like that yet. I'm sure we will, actually.
00:46:16
Speaker
There's like, I think there's a 25% chance we will. Yeah, I don't think it'll happen with your party. I think everyone is too interested in chaos to talk to NPCs for long enough to build a relationship with them. I've got a relationship with NPCs, ish. You've got a relationship with NPCs because they pay you. Exactly. Yay. I mean, we've got a good relationship with Bertram, I would.
00:46:43
Speaker
I would debate. Yeah, I mean, he's yeah, that's true. I mean, we have a bad relationship with every other NPC we've met, like a minus one that the God at the Slard Town, the strong lady, but I was like unintentional. We didn't mean to have a good relationship with her. It just happened. That's true. Yes. Which one's the strong lady? Is that Farina Stormrider, the mayor's daughter, adopted daughter? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:47:14
Speaker
otherwise people don't like us to go to town. I don't know! It confuses me. I thought our part was very charismatic and nice to people. So, you know, really confusing. We don't stalk people or steal things. That's not true. We don't do that. I don't believe that. I don't know why. Honestly, it's so shocking. I mean,
00:47:44
Speaker
I think our party's not that dislikeable. It's just unlucky. It's just a reputation that you've got. Yeah, it happened. And it was like, oh, stuff happened. So in terms of when they came together, I recruited in a Dimension 20 fan group.
Recruitment and Community Engagement
00:48:08
Speaker
for the majority of people apart from you, Leah and Kalen who came from university. I think recruiting in the D20 groups has been incredibly successful. I've never had an issue with anyone I've got from like, not saying that Monday are an issue, but like there are some bad apples that you get in some of the online recruiting groups. But I just think that that fandom is
00:48:37
Speaker
I don't know. It's like perfect. Like everyone is like just there to have a good time. And I think it works so well in that. Yeah. I think it helps a lot that you just get players, um, people who are non-binary, not like a whole lot of men in the group. Um, yeah, that also helps that it is our entire party is women. Yeah. Is it? Yeah.
00:49:06
Speaker
Both. As in your characters or the players? Everyone is playing it both, yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool. I mean, we've... It's just me and Tear, Bao. Yeah. Guys. Not well. Me and Tear are guys. Our parties, I think it's a 50-50 split between women and men, like the characters.
00:49:32
Speaker
But players for, me and Tia are the only guys and then everyone else, obviously apart from Yuan, but he's the VM, he doesn't count. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know how Wednesday came about in time. It was just, I think it was just
00:49:52
Speaker
coincidence that it was just the characters that you guys proposed that would just that just fit so well together. And I mean, you guys replied. So that you know, there was that when I'd be like, so what's your character idea? And then you'd come with an idea and I'm like, great, you're in. I replied. I didn't get it. I was complaining to someone on my old compact campaign about not being part of a campaign anymore. And he basically just a
00:50:19
Speaker
gave my information to you, I think. Yes, that's pretty much it. Yeah. Which is like, if I get a recommendation from a person who's like this person who I play with now, like this person is good. I'm like, okay, they're in automatically because I like you as a player. I'm sure your friends also going to be a great player. So they're in. So that's how you would like not even a question.
00:50:40
Speaker
It was, but it was like within a week we were doing session zero and I was like, already? Okay. Cause I was in the middle of moving out of university. Oh God. Yes. Yeah. Um, I think session one, I was packing to move out and session two, I was unpacking moving. I was back home unpacking. Nice. So it was a bit of a, it was, I was, yeah, it was a bit stressful.
00:51:11
Speaker
Have you guys ever looked online for like D&D in the past and have you had good experiences, bad experiences?
Online Campaign Challenges
00:51:25
Speaker
But a majority of the groups have been fairly good.
00:51:35
Speaker
Oh yeah, sure. Do you want to tell us some of the horror stories? I'll do the kind of creepier one first. Just get it. Okay, so, do you want to just give a brief, maybe, any trigger warnings you think need to be? For the second story, I'll give you a wanted warning of, like, women's bodies. Just because it was like a control thing. Okay.
00:52:06
Speaker
Yeah, so the first one again, control issues, age, consent, ignoring consent. Yeah, kind of like those kind of things. No. That's not fun. Do you want me to go ahead with the story? Yeah, go ahead and then we'll
00:52:36
Speaker
yeah just if you don't want to hear this you can like fully skip ahead yeah like skip ahead like 10 minutes uh this happened when i was about 23 ish and the guy at the time was like 40 and i'm pretty sure he had a massive crush on me like one of those really weird creepy ones and so he essentially forced me throughout the campaign to do like really weird stuff like there was times where i was in like lingerie for no reason
00:53:07
Speaker
And, yeah. And he forced shit on me that I did not want. Especially, oh, and there is one time where it was getting close to my birthday. He consistently tried to come over to my house to, you know, hang out with me for my birthday and I continued saying, no, do not come.
00:53:32
Speaker
over and over and over again and he was just like no it'll be great it'll be fun i'm like no don't come and he relented after like the 12th time yeah that's not fun and then yeah yeah that's not great
00:53:54
Speaker
I don't understand why some people want this in, like go for this in D&D. Like I don't, like for me, it's just about a couple of like random kooky guys running about the countryside doing random shit. They get into bar fights, they find some goblins, they commit goblin genocide. You know, that's what it is. It's not, I don't get. Just a few. Yeah, exactly. It's all just in good humor.
00:54:22
Speaker
I mean Geneva doesn't exist in D&D, so they're crazy, you know? They're not too crazy, but you know, I agree. I'm gonna make a Geneva now. I've been in a lot of, I've been in some very intense conversations about war crimes in D&D because in my old campaign
00:54:45
Speaker
we were trying to work out whether we had committed a war crime or not, because we had blown up some trains. Well, one of us had blown up a train that was technically going towards a battlefield, so it technically could have been a war crime. Okay, yeah, I can do the like act. There was a lot of, there was a discussion of whether or not we had killed civilians
00:55:14
Speaker
or medical personnel. Okay. I think we did do some later on when we overthrow through two separate governments, but that's like a whole separate thing that we didn't really discuss. We just did. Yeah.
00:55:36
Speaker
Yeah, Monday did that at one point. Well, they were going to in a different campaign, which you were you were not in it. I don't think you know about this, actually. And they were like, yeah, let's start a revolution. And the Lord went, okay, I'll join you. But what's your plan for after? And they went, What do you mean? And he went, we're going to dismantle a monarchy that's ruled for the last few hundred years. What's your plan for, you know, when you do dismantle it? And they went, um,
00:55:59
Speaker
Yeah, I can't give you my support then because you know, what's, what's your plan? Which I think if you as you know, that makes perfect sense. Yeah, I could see that. We just had P NPCs that we could push the responsibility on to.
00:56:23
Speaker
Yeah, which is why I'm not giving you guys MPCs because take the responsibility. It's your fault. Well, in the other campaign I'm in with Derek, we push out. We've overturned a few towns and our most recent town we've overturned has a squirrel as its leader. So MPCs are clearly important. What's his name? You don't know the squirrel's name.
00:56:52
Speaker
um have you not asked it's made that's oh no no the name is known it's just not not to me like i can't remember um like it's a squirrel we found and picked up and made the leader and we rolled really well so the squirrel knows communism um so it's a it's a communist town with a communist squirrel like genuine and
00:57:15
Speaker
The town before, where you raised someone from the dead, only taught them communism and gave him the title. Like, we are breaching into communism in this campaign. It's a thing. It's just a thing. That's good. Yes, yes. But I've committed like several war crimes in that. Multiple war crimes have been committed in that campaign. Yeah. So can we slide over to my favorite part?
00:57:42
Speaker
Yes. Come on, Alex. Yes, we can read a story. I think you'll like this one. OK. This is like a thing that you've complained about before. Oh, OK. I know.
00:58:01
Speaker
Ooh, my tile. Ooh. Am I going to agree with myself now with the question? Whoa. So the title is DM disintegrates player with a cantrip because of another player's crit fail. Yeah. Very nice. I know. So this is from, I think it's an unrelated, like a player and it just telling them what happened, I think.
00:58:29
Speaker
So this is a story from when my friends and I played D&D for the first time ever. They start fifth edition. Our DM was a huge fan but had no one to play with and decided to introduce all of us to Roll20 and how the game works in the hopes setting up a campaign for us to enjoy. Our game was set in your trusty good old fantasy high world with a balance party. Paladin, Warlock, Fighter, Rogue and Bloodhunter.
00:58:54
Speaker
However, the campaign overall progressed very turbulently, lacking a balance of fair encounters and most of the time our characters would be utterly defeated by the enemies at hand and constantly need to be saved by one of his cool NPCs. This particular saving of our characters was what he called the training wheels.
00:59:15
Speaker
That's quite enough. I was always rather annoyed because even when I tried to think of any plan or solution, nothing could possibly work. Literally even the best case scenario of each encounter wouldn't come close to victory.
00:59:33
Speaker
I'm talking surprise round, good initiative, everything hits, high damage roll and good positioning, and I still didn't see us winning. High level DMPCs or DMNPCs or whatever would randomly spawn in our camps and threaten us just for the fun of it, or somehow know about actions that we took in complete secret. And in brackets, they just thought I could go on forever.
00:59:57
Speaker
As we were approaching a certain point of our story, he exclaimed that this is it. Our training wheels are being taken off and now we would be responsible for our mistakes. We are set to investigate a tower of cultists. We got a meeting with their commander who promised us access to the inner circle if we slayed three manticles that are prowling his territory. God.
01:00:18
Speaker
I'm starting. This was a pretty ridiculous encounter considering two of us, the fighter and paladin, could do nothing to them as they floated in the sky and he made them fly out of range of the characters who could even attack them constantly. What a fun way to play our first campaign.
01:00:35
Speaker
keep in mind we are level three, fighting three supremely intelligent and buffed special man to course somehow that's intense that's awful jesus um i was thinking come on surely they're like level five or something level three is is is rough yeah um
01:00:56
Speaker
Anyway, our blood hunter was getting pretty banged up. They constantly focused on him with their multi attacks and he was nearing zero hit points. This is when our warlock shot another Eldritch Blarch at Blarch, Blast, and the horror nightmare began. He rolled a natural one.
01:01:12
Speaker
Our DM made weapon crit fails, break your sword or attack yourself. And for a spell crit fail, he rolled a dice equal to how many applicable targets there were in range and made randomly target one of them. So like just standard like crit one stuff, like just standard. Okay, that's, yeah, that's kind of standard. Yeah, however, the DM told him that he was dead outright. That nothing more was left of his character than a speck of dust and a tiny bit of his ashes.
01:01:39
Speaker
I mean, that's not what Eldritch Blast does, but sure. No, it's not. No, Death Say is no nothing. Another player's Cryptfell Eldritch Blast just disintegrated a player character. He told us that dying to any magical attack meant that you died outright. With that said, to make it worse, no matter what the now player said, the DM wasn't allowing it. He did not allow him to make a new character and continue playing with us because it would break continuity.
01:02:05
Speaker
He did not allow him to retcon the outcome, just purely for the sake of continuing to hang out with us on Thursdays and Fridays. Bonus! This one is for fun since it didn't end here, but our DM made us take double the maximum damage of a spell if we crit failed on the saving throw. This got our rogue to suffer the exact same fate a few sessions later. The common disintegrated by acid splash he failed on.
01:02:29
Speaker
Apparently the DM explained that the lack of fairness in the encounters was simply that it was an adventure module he purchased and that we simply failed to overcome it because of our incompetence. Wow! It feels like he directly had an issue with his party and accurately tried to kill them repeatedly. That seems really dumb though. He asked his friends to start DMing for them, new players, because he wanted them to get into it and just killed them.
01:02:57
Speaker
That sounds like the sort of thing that will put a new player completely off D&D forever. Yeah, exactly. Like level three? That's ridiculous. Yeah. Oh, no. Yeah, I would have not played if that was like my first campaign. Yeah.
Critical Failures and Natural 1s in D&D
01:03:20
Speaker
it feels like they heard the DM the dick meme and were like you know what I'm gonna beat this I can destroy this I can do I could do one better yeah because I'm yeah I really went for it before I said I was like this is a part you disagree with because you don't like the boringness of rolling in that one and it being someone just gets hit like I remember speaking about in session zero
01:03:42
Speaker
yeah that you have your own rules and i agree i think it's awful like don't get me wrong um it's it's understandable if you know you fell really badly or something you're gonna hit someone or something mess up but like i i prefer that we get to roll a d6 and yours and
01:04:01
Speaker
have the chance to not hit someone or take damage. What I don't like is the fact that I know it's possibly more realistic but it's just shit if you end up like
01:04:12
Speaker
I don't know, you do Eldersplast and you take one of your parts, say like you're doing it, you're a warlock, you're playing with a level one wizard, you Eldersplast it and it goes down because it's got eight hit points and it's a wizard, so it's gonna die, and then you have killed your friend in your first campaign, it's boring, that's shit, no one wants that, it's really depressing if you're the one that kills your friend in the campaign, it might be narratively satisfying in the game and like later on, at the time it's gonna feel shit for you, shit for them, just not what you should be doing.
01:04:41
Speaker
I mean, when it comes to like, so Nat 1's hitting other players, like it can be really funny. Like I've been, there's been incidents. Yeah, it can be really funny, but like you shouldn't, like the disintegrating thing is just dumb and the insta-kill is also really dumb. Cause that, the whole point is there's always a chance you can get back up with death saves.
01:05:11
Speaker
that like there's still that opportunity and to completely just ignore it and be like, no, we're not doing that. We're going to have you just die. It feels very much. Yeah. This DM was just trying to kill his players.
01:05:35
Speaker
Yeah, that is for DMing. He's also, in his own way, he's made it a problem because he could have had them face consequences from the beginning and scaled it appropriately. But by having the DM NPCs, these amazing adventurers come in and do stuff, it's kind of like, well, we don't need to worry because the entire thing is just a bad idea.
01:06:01
Speaker
If they decide a level 1, appropriately giving, like, okay, we've finished this combat, let's, out of character, let's talk about what abilities you have at level 1. That means at first they're new players, and if you're a DM you should have some little understanding of what's going to happen. If they don't do a combat as optimally as you think they could have,
01:06:23
Speaker
Communicate, as we always say with you, sorry, it is communication. Literally just say, okay, Ro, you've got this ability that you could have done here that could have helped. Or Paladin, you've got protection where you could have taken 10 hit points, you could have minimized it by 10. You could do that. And just like tell them what they can do, because it's daunting looking at a sheet as a new time player, being like, I've got all this shit I can do. But like, what does it do, essentially? Hmm.
01:06:51
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. That is poor DMing. And I don't know if he has DM'd before. But to play with the module as well, I think it's funny. He's like, oh, it's the module. It's the module, guys. You guys are just bad. It's the module. Yeah. If you're running the module, fucking change it. Exactly. It's your job to balance it properly. Exactly.
01:07:19
Speaker
You can make on-the-fly decisions about the hit points of a creature. Sorry, go on. There's definitely been some encounters I've been in where it's very obvious that the DM is just making up the hit points because they want to see what will happen, but that's more for a fun effect. Let this go on for as long as it's fun and also because sometimes you can end up in
01:07:48
Speaker
encounters that you're not expect, that DMs aren't expecting. So they'll just kind of have to go with the flow of it. And that can be different, can be difficult to have something prepared for that and have the specific hit points, but you should never let it get to the point where your characters need rescuing constantly. Cause they're supposed to be a party and they're supposed to work together and they're supposed to succeed together. Yeah. Instead of. Exactly.
01:08:19
Speaker
Yeah. It's just kind of not great. I had something. What was I going to say? I don't remember. It's gone. It's gone. Nice. But I don't know. Yeah. It's just issues. I think that's possibly one of the worst ones that we've had. It's up there. Just because it's just a shit situation all around. Yeah, it's up there.
01:08:48
Speaker
It is a very not good way to start DMing, but you know, I'm assuming they continued playing D&D. I hope so. I hope they've had a decent DM who's not out to kill them. Hopefully. Repeated. We've got such a great DM here, who isn't out to kill them. Well, thank you. He's a little bit evil, but he has things prepared for us.
01:09:18
Speaker
all the encounters I run for both groups are ranked as deadly because I think they've got to be interesting if you guys are just walking into every encounter blasting things away it's not fun I mean sometimes you do that I don't expect it sometimes you just walk in and you breathe things what did you what have you guys breathe the
01:09:40
Speaker
The goblin attack, I didn't, I thought it would take you guys longer to do. You walked through that. You guys, Alex was the slard with Michael just going, hang on, that can't move. It's now in mobile. It's prone. Now it's like, well. Yes, the slard. We actually had to retreat with the slard. Like you did. We had a bit of trouble with it, but you know.
01:10:09
Speaker
Yeah, we did. Um, in the next session. Yeah. Uh, we went back regrouped and then it took like one, maybe two rounds. Yeah. I remember correctly. Maybe three. No.
01:10:29
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think you were there, but you definitely would have, Monday would have had a problem if Michael hadn't of. We didn't even have everyone. He clutched up big time. Michael saved you there significantly as a paladin. I don't know what spells he cast, but he just... It was something like Compelled Jewel. I can't remember. Compelled Jewel, that was it, and then stopped them. Yeah.
01:10:53
Speaker
And it was really good. Like we didn't even have our whole party. It just went really well. I mean, I think that's the most I've ever hit apart from maybe last session. Last session I hit quite a bit, but like, yeah, Michael did in fact clutch up big time and let us kill that slide easily. But even like the slard festival thing, I think we are fine. Like, did anyone even go like get knocked for the slard festival?
01:11:22
Speaker
Yes. I think we did a bit, but that, yeah, a couple of us did, but we split up. So we were each like taking on, because there were a few enemies, we ended up splitting up because of the plan we had. And it ended up that, um, so I think, I think two of us went down for a bit. Maybe I can't remember, but yeah, we,
01:11:48
Speaker
yeah we split up and some and it didn't go over i mean we succeeded in the end but and nobody died so no nobody died yeah but yeah i think thank you guys for coming on um i think you've both
01:12:06
Speaker
with great guests. You both made Alex very angry. I'm not angry at them. I'm frustrated at you. That's what we're doing. But it's satisfying to me. And I think at some point I might try and figure out a way to get a cross party session. So both groups
01:12:30
Speaker
together for some kind of end game Marvel kind of match up or I don't know there'll be some you know Bertram will go rogue and you've got a fan off him or something I don't know there'll be something Bertram the Bardock yeah yeah that'd be cool well thank you for coming on um
01:13:01
Speaker
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01:13:23
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