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Dustin Slaughter - New video of "Mosul Orb," Suing the government for UFOs
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Dustin Slaughter of the UAP Register with a big scoop.
Video & Dustin's article via UAP Register: https://uapregister.substack.com/p/us-air-force-releases-new-uap-video
UAP Register: https://uapregister.substack.com/
Corbell and Knapp, "Mosul Orb" - report via The Black Vault: https://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/new-uap-leaked-imagery-from-the-dod-mosul-orb-uap-published-by-jeremy-corbell-george-knapp/
National Archives - UAP: https://www.archives.gov/research/topics/uaps
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Transcript
Routine UAP Sightings: Unknown Origins
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As we convene here, UAP are in our airspace, but they are grossly underreported. These sightings are not rare or isolated, they are routine. We don't know where they come from, who made them, or how they operate.
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The U.S. government is operating with secrecy above congressional oversight with regards to UAPs.
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The United States government has gathered a great deal of information about UAPs over many decades, but has refused to share it with the American people. That is wrong, and additionally, breeds mistrust.
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The controller told us that these objects had been observed for over two weeks, coming down from over 80,000 feet, rapidly descending to 20,000 feet, hanging out for hours, and then going straight back up, for those who don't realize, above 80,000 feet of space.
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What is true, and I'm actually being serious here, is that there's footage and records of objects in the skies that we don't know exactly what they are.
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We can't explain how they moved, their trajectory. They did not have an easily explainable pattern.
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And you know, I think that people still take seriously trying to investigate and figure out what that is.
Introduction with Dustin Slaughter
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Hello and welcome back to UFO Focus. I'm your host, Isaiah. And as i you can probably hear, ah I'm out walking as I record just this introduction. Don't worry.
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We have some house guests, which is great. We have a whole bunch of house guests. um But... The house is quite full, and I didn't want to wake folks up.
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You know, I was on the late shift with the baby, and I didn't want to wake folks up by flapping my yap into a microphone because everybody's gone to bed.
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settle I hope you won't mind my recording this as I can. Okay, that aside, i am super excited to be introducing my guest,
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today And a returning guest to the UFO Focus podcast, um Dustin Slaughter. Dustin is the founder a project that goes by the UAP Register.
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And there's a website. And of course, there will be a link in the show notes. um And the UAP Register is basically Dustin. And it's his side project. It's not his...
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job or anything, but it's a side project um devoted to sourcing, you know, quality information about UFOs, UAP.
Lawsuit Against the Air Force
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and And I'm always excited to have Dustin on the pod, but I'm especially excited to have him right now because Dustin just landed a big scoop.
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a really significant and awesome scoop. And what that is, is ah via ah lawsuit against the Air Force um pertaining to a Freedom of Information request, a FOIA, right? So,
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Dustin had filed a FOIA requesting some information. And as you'll hear in the interview, well we're going to go through the whole process of what happened. But, you know, the government actually ah first said, there's nothing pertaining to your request.
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He sued them with the help of some awesome attorneys. And eventually, and he's still suing them, by the way. The lawsuit is ongoing, Dustin says in this interview.
Release of the Mosul Orb Video
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um But in the meantime, ah they responded, at least in part, they sent him this video. And it's a video ah depicting what looks like a metallic sphere flying over an area.
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But then it gets, there's a whole other step to this. And by the way, this is going to sound like bragging. And you know what? It is bragging. But i I only admit that because it highlights how cool Dustin is.
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um Dustin texted me like a week ago saying, hey, could the government just sent me this. And there was a link to this video. And I looked at it and I didn't know the context. That's what I'm about to explain is there's more context to this.
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But I was like, oh, it looks like a UFO to me. Like, that's pretty awesome. um And of course, immediately ah invited him on the pod then.
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ah And as I said in last week's episode, pre promoting this, Dustin went on the Weaponized podcast ah with Jeremy Corbell and George Knapp.
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Again, i've i talked at length about ah referring to Corbell and Knapp about the Matthew Brown Immaculate Constellation thing. was critical of their work on that. But as I said then, and I repeat it now, I i think they're good guys. I support their work. I root for them.
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um You know, just had some differences of opinion about how to best present the good work that they're the good journalism that they're doing.
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Anyway, Dustin did this interview with Corbell and Knapp a few days ago or perhaps week ago now. Anyway, and it was very good. And I recommended it in my last podcast. I recommend it again. um And the reason and i I didn't get this at first, but.
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The reason that Corbell and Knapp were so excited to have Dustin on is not just because he's a badass journalist with an awesome scoop, but because it became, and you'll hear this, you know, we'll go over the story in the interview.
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It became quickly apparent to Dustin and Corbell and Knapp that this video that Dustin had obtained was the very same video that Korbel and Knapp, about two years ago, released still image of.
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um
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That has been dubbed in UFO land, the Mosul Orb. So Mosul, M-O-S-U-L, as in Mosul, Iraq.
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ah The Mosul Orb. And so two years ago, Corbell and Knapp, and I guess this was, and you know, my sense of time is always distorted, but and not because of UFOs.
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But this was basically as Corbell and Knapp were launching Weaponized, their podcast and platform, um they released this image.
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And they obtained this image. And it's important to follow this little nuance here. So they
Proving Information Access Through Lawsuit
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had obtained this image from ah source, right? Somebody essentially leaked it to them. And actually, I'm sorry, they obtained the video.
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They appeared, as best as I can understand it, they got exactly the same video that Dustin Slaughter just got through this lawsuit. But they only published a still of it.
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ah For reasons I don't know, but I'm... i I would guess that it just had to do with sort of walking the line between what's legal and what's not, and you know protecting, covering their asses perhaps, which nothing wrong with that.
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um But they had gotten it from a source and they had information from i that source and or maybe other sources. I don't know, but they reported context around it. So what they reported at the time, two years ago,
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was they said it had been filmed in Mosul, Iraq, and there were other details. Again, we'll we'll cover this in the interview. But so anyway, it became quickly apparent that this video Dustin had received was, in fact, a the same video that Korbel and Knapp had reported on.
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But again, they hadn't gotten it officially. That's the nuance here. They had gotten it Through as journalists, by the way, as journalists, as good journalists do through sources.
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OK, and so a few takeaways and then let's get to the interview. But just a few takeaways before we start one. And this is not the most important or anything. These are not in order per se.
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But ah just while it's on my mind, you know, This video that Dustin obtained via a lawsuit over a FOIA proves the legitimacy of this video that Corbell and Knapp released two years ago. And so props to them.
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Props to them. Their source was legitimate. And this is hardly the first time that's been proven true. This has actually happened a few times, I believe. that material I mean, generally, the material they've released has been has proven legit.
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um So anyway, props to that. Another takeaway, and I hope this doesn't get too convoluted, but basically what I want to say is like, there is a certain flavor of skepticism in the UFO community that that sort of says that, that perceives like everything is a psyop, psychological operation.
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Everything, you know, the the government, the mysterious forces are always playing three-dimensional chess in their and they're end steps ahead of us and controlling our reality and stuff.
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And by the way, I'm not saying that there are, like i mean, part of what makes this topic complicated is and i you know, i know we were going to get to the Wall Street Journal article. We will, but this interview took took precedence. But um What the Wall Street Journal just reported was it reported on this kind of slice of UFO stuff in which there was essentially ah allegedly the government was lying to soldiers to or to officers, you know, whatever um to
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the rank and file showing people pictures like apparently fake of UFOs and being like, yo, don't tell anybody about this, and then seeing whether they did.
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Anyway, there are psyops. There is conspiratorial shit. That's, you know, absolutely. i as Dustin and I talk about it in this interview, we both agree that there is what, you know, he calls cover-up and what I would probably call ah secrecy, but you know kind of same difference a little bit around the UFO topic and government.
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However, the whole three-dimensional chess, everything is is part of some operation. Listen, Dustin goes to government, the Pentagon, the... Well, he'll explain the body that he goes to, but it's the Air Force, ultimately.
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Well, He goes to the Air Force. He says, I want files, of videos of UAP.
Using FOIA for UAP Information
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They say, we don't have any. He sues them.
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The lawsuit is ongoing, but already they're like, well, we did have this. And they send him a video of a UFO. Appearance like they're saying this is unidentified. This responds to your request for unidentified. You know, just because there's cover up of information or whatever you want to call it, it's a lot of names for the resistance that is put up to the public knowing the full story about what the government knows, at least right about UFOs.
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But I think Dustin's was kind of homemade operation and lawsuit, it shows that, like, that that armor is not impenetrable.
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um And I think that's really inspiring. Anyway, without further ado, here's my interview with Dustin Slaughter. Thank you for listening. You can reach me always. Everybody is invited to reach out at...
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UFO Focus Podcast at Proton.me. And, ah oh also, we're going to hear Dustin's own UAP sighting. I just asked him, and and he was very gracious in sharing that.
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And as I've said in every episode just about, i am interested in hearing your UAP UFO sightings, if you care to share. ah it doesn't have to be on the pod, although that would be even better.
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Anyway, UFOFocusPodcast at Proton.me. Thanks so much for listening. If you can give the podcast a review, that that would be helpful.
00:14:26
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um But glad to have you. Okay. Why don't we start with, why don't you just say a little bit about the UAP Register and just just briefly sort of how you got into this not just the topic, but ah this sort of line of attack that you've been practicing.
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Sure. Well, the UEP Register is a um a website I started ah about three years ago um with ah the intention of um writing or ah you know providing ah very even-handed, hype,
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um journalism on the topic of unidentified anomalous phenomena. um And I bring ah my, you know, my specialty, which is ah using public record laws to ah gain access to government documents, in this case, federal government documents.
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So and so yeah, so basically, my, you know, my my whole thing is using the Freedom of Information Act, um mainly and andru mainly the Freedom of Information Act to release documents to the public.
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Yeah, and um maybe I'll say this in the introduction, or but ah ah I can use this opportunity to ask if it's okay. I would love to mention that you and I met doing this journalistic project many years ago.
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and That we did. it was done cool and on civil asset forfeiture in Philadelphia. That's absolutely right. and And the reporting led to a big lawsuit. And ah yeah, I won't I won't.
00:16:20
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drag the listeners down that rabbit hole this time. But um it's really cool um and inspiring to see that, you know, even though journalism is not your your day job, so to speak, it's I think it's a great reminder to folks that, you know, journalism is something you do, not something you are.
00:16:41
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um and i I just really admire that um you're using the tools of journalism to shed light on stuff. Yeah, that's well said. That's why I like that expression, Isaiah.
00:16:53
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Cool. So, okay. So let's start from the beginning of, you know, this um this video that you you texted me, you know, ah a week ago or whenever it was.
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You said, wow, look what I got. Take me back to the start. How did that begin? What is the connection to the reporting by Corbell and Knapp? And sort of, yeah, how did this particular inquiry begin and develop?
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So i um Just for starters, ah this video, um I gained access to this video through a ah ah Freedom of Information Act FOIA lawsuit against the Air Force that I filed ah last year ah following some stonewalling on ah on ah ah read the original FOIA request ah by the Air Force.
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And um I was not seeking this video. i was ah it was ah the The original request was for, you know, basically like ah like an any and all records kind of deal.
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Um, and, um, and so the connection that, uh, that this video has to nap and core bell, um, who are actually really great to work with, by the way, they are, they're really, um, very passionate and, uh, they're fun to be around, honestly, but anyway, yeah so I believe it.
00:18:19
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The, um, the, original, so Knapp and Korbel released a still image from that from the from this the Mosul Orb video.
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And that's what got that's what got people's, you know, that's obviously what caught people's attention. And then ah when I found this video, when when this video came to me through ah the government's attorneys,
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um I reached out to them and I said, hey guys, I think the, ah i I just got this video and I think that this video is connected to the still image that you released. And then we kind of got the ball rolling from there.
00:19:00
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Wow. Okay. I didn't, I, I had assumed incorrectly. It seems that you, yeah, that you had filed something specific to their releasing that, but no.
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So you just saw, and and so when you saw the, the video, which should we just say what the video depicts um or seems to depict? Yeah. Sure. and Yeah. Yeah. What, what, well, just to finish the thought. Yeah. I had assumed that you'd followed up with that, but no, in fact, you would ask for, as you said, an any and all
Challenges in Filing FOIA Requests
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request. So you said something to the effect of, please give me any and all documents related to UAP, or maybe it was a little more specific than that.
00:19:42
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Yeah. It was a little bit more specific, yeah. It was, it was um I specifically, in the original the original FOIA request, I specifically targeted ah the national the Air Force's National Air and Space Intelligence Center, which is located in Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio, which, if if any listeners...
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Some of your listeners may know, um, right. Patterson has a very storied history with the topic of UAP. Um, but anyway, so that the original FOIA request, uh, was a targeted NASIC, the National Air and Space Intelligence Center.
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And that's, um, and that's pre presumably NASIC at but one point reviewed the video. Um, and, So anyway, I think, I think that's like an interesting ah piece of this too, is that, um, you even though the video, I, I know that the video was circulated among different, uh, parts of the military. Um, because, ah in the email from the government attorney, he said that this video, ah came from S South com, but, um,
00:21:02
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obviously because NASIC was included in the FOIA request. I think that I believe that NASIC, uh, reviewed the video as well. What is S South com? U S South com is a, um, I don't How did, how do I describe this?
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It's, um, it's sort of like a, a combatant command. Um, and their purview is basically, uh, South America and those environs. Um, it's a U S military combatant command.
00:21:29
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Um, But anyway, yeah, that all all that is to say that the FOIA request is was a little bit more a little bit more complicated than just any and all records to the Air Force. It was targeted at NASIC.
00:21:43
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And is that because you had a suspicion that NASIC would be like a logical place that UAP material would find its way? Or, you know, why NASIC?
00:21:54
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ah Because NASIC was congressionally mandated along with, um I believe, at that at the time that Congress mandated that NASIC review video, they also mandated that um the the Pentagon's All-Domate Anomaly Resolution Office, which is the Pentagon's UFO office, it's called ARO for short, that NASIC and ARO would both be analyzing uh, video photographs, things of that nature regarding UAB.
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So yeah, I, I felt that NASIC was a logical place to, to start digging in. Yeah. And was there any other accompanying information with the video, any, any other context that came with that records request or, you know, from an, interview or otherwise?
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David Plylari, was sorry when I say or otherwise, I mean, like, like you mentioned, there was some correspondence with one of their attorneys, you know, but were were you given any other context or it just kind of was like, here's this video and was that part of other materials or what was that.
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So, um, Just to backtrack for a second, I ah eventually I narrowed the request from from general ah general records to just videos.
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hu um And so um
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that video... so There are other videos that the government has that they've indicated to me that they have, but they're not releasing on national security grounds. So um this this this litigation that I'm and engaged in against the Air Force, it's it's ongoing right now. It has not ended.
00:23:40
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I see. um And I'm trying to gain access to more video. so And um was that the reason they gave in it for the initial review?
00:23:52
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Well, okay, so you submitted this FOIA, you got some sort of reply, and then you you ah eventually, like through the appeals process or whatever, you you come to a place where you have to basically sue, because otherwise you're just relying on, in even even if there's like an appeals officer for the FOIA,
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That's all internal. And so if that officer, you know, if if they say no, then that you have to sue to bring in ah third party, the courts, basically. Precisely.
00:24:22
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Yeah. And um so was it that they had told you, yes, there's material, but no, we can't give it to you because of national security. And then did your lawsuit argue that
00:24:39
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That's how to challenge that. So, um no, the originally. ah The Air Force, NASA came back and said, we don't have any of the records you're looking for.
00:24:52
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I thought it was laughable on its face. um And then that's when I essentially that's when I i filed the lawsuit. And and here we are. so Yeah, there's boy there's so much to say about that. um Yes, there is. Yeah, but let's, um so just sticking with the video a little more. Okay, so then just by, so the video depicts like, I don't know. I mean, you can say it, you might be able to say it better than me. I mean, it depicts a spherical, gray, spherical thing that
00:25:25
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I would almost say a metallic looking, but yeah. Yeah. Right. It's metallic looking sphere passing over somewhere. Um, I, the, the idea that it is Mosul that comes from Korbel and Knapp, and that comes presumably from the source or sources from which they obtained the still, is that all correct?
00:25:46
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That is correct. Um, now the, uh, according to Knapp and Korbel, um, the, uh, the the sphere or orb the mosul orb was uh captured by ah a cia reconnaissance plane over mosul iraq in 2016. apparently there was some sort of um insurgent activity that they were looking into and this this um this object kind of flew across the uh you know the range of the camera and um that's what that's what created the video so
00:26:22
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And one of the things i really enjoyed your interview with them the other day. um One of the things that that they um emphasized was that this, you know, this is what the government itself is calling a UAP. It's not them saying that.
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um do you like Do we know that through them or do we also know that through you now because you had requested, I'm sort of thinking out loud, but you had requested UAP. So does that tell us right there the same thing that the government considers this UAP?
00:26:59
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Yes. ah the Yeah, because the request was for um you know basically unidentified objects. right um And ah you know i I actually reached out to ah the a Pentagon spokesperson.
00:27:16
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um actually Actually, she, she's a spokesperson for the Pentagon's UAP office. And um I haven't go. or students student golf Yeah. ah She, she actually was out of the office at the time and she said, she's going to get back to me in a few days, but um that's one of the things I, you know, I wanted to, to, you know, basically double down on it and find out from them.
00:27:42
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did Arrow investigate this particular object? what was the you know What was Arrow's conclusion, cetera, et cetera. So hopefully I'm gonna be updating the piece on that one way or the other in a few days. so Awesome.
00:27:56
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Yeah, I was gonna ask that very question. Do we know if e has if this has gone through Arrow? um I guess a related question would be, have you FOIA'd Arrow directly? for Have you made similar FOIA requests of Arrow?
00:28:09
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um not for No, not for videos or anything like that. I have i do have some ah some pending ones. um not the Basically, more it's it's it's ah it's for more, um I guess the word would be, ah I don't know what the word is, but they yeah I have some pending four-year requests for them, but not for videos.
00:28:33
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And um now Corbell and Knapp,
00:28:38
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So Corbell in particular was praising you for, was like, this is the first time someone has done this. And i it could be my bad listening, but I didn't quite understand what he was, the point he was making.
00:28:52
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I think what he was trying to to, to the point he was trying to make was that this is the first time that somebody had sued the U S government for ah and got video of a UAP. And I, I don't, I don't exactly know if that's, if that's correct or not. I mean, i know that people have the government and gotten new photographs and things like that.
00:29:14
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um But as far as video, I don't, I don't know for certain, but it certainly is rare. i can say that with certainty. So, yeah. Yeah. And yeah, and I want to talk about kind of the sort of just the the implications of that in a moment. But um yeah, so let's talk about a little bit about um the implications here, because I think part of what, you know,
00:29:40
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everybody likes to see videos of UAP um where everyone is into this topic, yeah you know, myself included, who doesn't want to watch an intriguing video of UFO, but, you know, or ah a proclaimed UFO, but, um but in many ways,
00:29:59
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you know, what's always really more important than what we see in these videos, right, is is always the context, the provenance, the the source, the, and you know, the story of how was this collected, by whom, who analyzed it, what were the conclusions of those analysis. These are the things that really tell us that, you know, and one of my frustrations a little bit with the UFO community is that,
00:30:30
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Because like mainstream
00:30:34
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journalism, ah maybe I don't want to use the word mainstream, but well, yeah, mainstream journalism. And and and because like the, what are generally the best journalistic outlets around, because they have largely ignored this issue, it sort of falls to this group of, and I'm not trying to diss anybody at all, but it falls to people who are just, are not professional journalists,
00:30:59
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to try and figure these things out. And one of my frustrations, what I was getting to is that I think the UFO community spends way too much time trying to do this kind of homemade video analysis, when it's like, look, none of us are video experts. You know, like, no, this is not like anyone's specialty here.
00:31:17
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You know, but what we can do is we can review documentation. You know, I just think that's more worth and establish a chain of custody and and things like that those do i completely agree with you isaiah i think this is and this is why i use uh public records laws you know is because you you just have um you have more uh um you can establish more credibility when it comes to this topic through that so yeah and you know even the the fact that you know if we take this video that you obtained
00:31:51
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what's, you know, I, we don't know what it's depicting, but what we, what we can now say is like, oh, like whatever it's depicting was interesting enough to various agencies, or at least one agency that they reviewed it and it's in their documents. So that's, that's one conclusion we can draw right there. And that's, that's really interesting.
00:32:13
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And then, Another conclusion that we can draw, and this is why I think your work is just so valuable and important, is I think there's kind of a vague idea, especially among people who are very skeptical of the UFO topic, or maybe to put it a little more specifically skeptical that UFOs could possibly represent something like truly anomalous, like extraterrestrials or whatever.
Secrecy and Transparency in UFO Information
00:32:44
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um There's this idea that,
00:32:48
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oh, surely we would all know if, you know, the government had recorded a UFO somewhere, you know, surely this would all be public by now.
00:32:59
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And what your lawsuit reveals is that no, that's not the case. Had you, had you not taken this action, we wouldn't have this video. Yeah. I mean, and also, you know, people who, who, who make that, that claim or that allegation, um, they don't, they don't know the history. And to me, the history of this topic is so crucial. And actually it's one of the more fascinating parts of this topic too, in my opinion, it's, um,
00:33:29
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It's, ah you know, the the government has known about this phenomenon for a very, very long time and not just known about it, but but studied it and studied it in in in depth, you know, and um there is a you know there is a legitimate cover up going on. I mean, there's no there's no particularly in the you know, do mean, if you look at the history, they there's certainly a cover up.
00:33:54
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um And so that's kind of where, you know, that's where my work and and and so many others comes in is is to try to break down that wall. so
00:34:06
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Yeah, so what else is on your mind lately with with the topic? What have you been looking at? What have you been thinking about? And I can give you some prompts if you like. I think we all need to keep our eye on,
00:34:19
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on ah you know, other developments such as the UAP Disclosure Act, I know that, ah which I think is, you know, ah a monumental piece of legislation.
00:34:32
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um i mean, technically, that that bill, the UAP Disclosure Act did pass, but it was a very, very, very watered down version. And and I think that um I did read ah earlier this week that Senator Mike Rounds is planning on reintroducing that that bill.
00:34:52
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um Yeah, I heard that too. ah So I think that's something that we all need to keep our eye on and to really ah push, you know, legislators to to get to get over the to get over the the hurdle. um Because to me, that is that is some of the most consequential ah legislation that ah this topic has seen in forever, honestly.
00:35:15
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So. Yeah. Yeah. um Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that it did pass. Something that drives me slightly crazy is that there you you keep you you'll hear, especially when this was more recent, you know when the last round...
00:35:29
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um
00:35:32
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what the last round didn't pass, but the first round did pass. But anyway, it was much whittled down. Right. But I was, um yeah, I was like, no, it did pass. Like well um it's, it's, you know, it's on the records. Like it's there. um It's just weakened.
00:35:47
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But um yeah, I agree. And I think establishing this kind of documentation that you're doing is, is so important because it's gotta be,
00:36:01
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think it's easy for the for the mainstream media, again, to use ah a bit of a cliche, it's easy for the mainstream media to kind of dismiss individuals and their accounts. But I think it's a lot harder to dismiss something that came through a FOIA or a similar records law.
00:36:20
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Have you ever thought about, I wonder this, have you ever thought like, I wonder if there's some treasure trove of non-federal, like state level records of these things that could be gotten more easily, like a state that has good public records laws, like, i don't know, Florida still does, but Florida used to, believe it or not, folks, have good public records laws.
00:36:45
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Do you know if anyone has gone that route of of looking for kind of lower hanging fruit? Yeah. You know, I'm really glad you brought that up. I, um, I have, I started to do a little bit of that here in Pennsylvania, ah huh um, with very, really not much success. there just really wasn't a whole lot there. Um, right.
00:37:06
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Uh, but, um, I think that that's a really important point. And I think that, uh, I can only speak for myself, but I, I, I hope to be doing more of that in the future.
00:37:17
Speaker
Um, I just, you know, I'm a one man operation here. So, uh, If I had another person um on you know on board with the UAP register, i would that would be like their project, would just be going state by state and going trying to find as much as you can. you know I mean, i I hit up the the Pennsylvania State Police.
00:37:38
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um I hit up the Pennsylvania Emergency Management Agency. yep um And it was didn't have much success there. But um I think that there is definitely a need to go state by state.
00:37:51
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and just you know dig in and and and start and start pushing. Mm-hmm. here Yeah. um Yeah. Maybe i should make a resolution to like do my state, you know, c some, yeah some, yeah, yeah. I think that's a great idea.
00:38:08
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Ah, thanks. Yeah. I'll do that. um Let's see. I guess so where's your head on the big, know, this is something else i've I've been thinking about a lot lately is, um,
00:38:24
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There's ah ah a podcast that I listen to because I listen to pretty much anything that's a non-YouTube podcast. YouTube drives me crazy. So that's a genuine you know audio podcast about UFOs. I like probably listen to most of them ah that I'm aware of.
00:38:42
Speaker
So these guys, they seem like nice guys. The patterns tell stories, guys. I'm married with him. Okay. Klaus and... um Oh, yeah. You might know him from Twitter.
00:38:54
Speaker
Yes, I do know of that podcast. I don't i don't i actually don't listen to a ton of podcasts, but I know I'm married with that podcast. you Anyway, it doesn't matter. Klaus and Garrett, I should just name him.
00:39:04
Speaker
Nice guys. I often do... They get real into the weeds. Their thing is kind of like super obscure, like kind of arcane... history and like that's their passion and god bless them i just they often totally lose me but anyway uh this guy klaus said something recently that resonated with me which he was he observed that he's like he's like you know if you look at kind of the ufo community the chatter and twitter x you know reddit etc he's like
00:39:36
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it's almost like nobody's talking about UFOs
Extraterrestrial or Consciousness Connection?
00:39:38
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anymore. We're all just talking about this kind of universe of periphery. You know, it's like, we're talking about this whistleblower or that, or like this law or like this fight over that and who's, and, and there's actually like, not, it's almost like, it's almost like it's, uh,
00:40:04
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it's like a faux pas or something to just be like, so like, what do you think? Are they aliens? You know, it's like, it's like the topics are avoided anyway.
00:40:16
Speaker
um But I do wonder like, but I think it's important to just like bring it up. And I've started asking my guests more directly, you know, just like, what, what do you think is going on? So if you, you know, want to say like,
00:40:30
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What do you think is going on in the bigger picture and how has that evolved for you over this time? um You know, I, I don't really like to speculate.
00:40:41
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um That's fair. Yeah. I think that, you know, I'm, I, yeah I have ah read other people's thoughts and ideas about how, um you know, UAP are tied to consciousness um they're they're They're tied to, you know, innate psychic abilities within humans, um things of that nature. i think that's all very interesting. I just, you know, i i don't I don't know what it is that we're dealing with here. I just don't.
00:41:15
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um
00:41:18
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And, you know, ah part of me is...
00:41:22
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yeah there's There's the journalist part of me that that really wants to to get you know to the answers and and and really figure out what these things are ah eventually. But i also said there's also another part of me that is really just in love with the mystery of it. you know There's just something like...
00:41:42
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yeah beautiful about it. I remember when I got the Melissa Lord video, I just you sat there with it for like an hour watching you know watching it over and over again. And there's something almost hypnotic about it.
00:41:54
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um Anyway, I'm kind of getting off track there. But in answer to your question, I have no effing idea what it is, Isaiah. Sorry. Yeah.
00:42:06
Speaker
Yeah. No, I don't either. um And i'm I'm at sort of a weird place in my own journey where like I began like, ah you know, probably like a 90 10 skeptic you as of sort of 2017.
00:42:23
Speaker
And now I don't know, I guess I hover somewhere around 50 50, but like the,
00:42:29
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the the secrecy and, and this brings us back to, to your obtaining this video and improving that these things are out there.
00:42:41
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You know, there, there are weird, whatever videos data is a better word for it. Right. Cause it don't need sometimes the best evidence might not be a video. It might be a radar return that, you know, ordinary people don't know how to read, but somebody does.
00:42:59
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Um, but, um, The mystery and the, as as you said, the obvious cover-up, the obvious, I might be more hesitant to use that word, but the obvious hiding of this information, the obvious keeping it from...
00:43:16
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the public, um, and the obvious counter spin that we're seeing from the Pentagon and from Arrow, the sort of this drum beat of like nothing to see here and nothing, which which has actually been quite clumsy in my opinion.
00:43:32
Speaker
um and we shouldn't leave out the online, uh, debunkers too. I, you know, I think that, um, there Yeah, i that that that that community, as well as the government, ah the federal government, or these elements within the federal government. um Yeah, they they they're very clumsy about it. and and And frankly, it's it's a little insulting.
00:43:54
Speaker
so Yeah, yeah. And um I think I trailed off, but like, I guess what I was going to say is the sort of bumbling, you know,
00:44:07
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almost transparent attempt to fool people into thinking that there's nothing to this topic when clearly whatever the deal is, there is something to this topic.
00:44:19
Speaker
yeah um That just convinces me more and more. Like I think the journalist in me, I'm like, God damn, there's there there must be hiding. So, you know, there's something there. There's too much smoke for there not to be fire.
00:44:32
Speaker
Yeah, um exactly. And it makes me think that
00:44:39
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I don't know. One place that I would like to get to is I would like to see the Chuck Schumer's, the Kirsten Gillibrand's,
00:44:50
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um etc. People in in high places who have shown that they take this issue seriously. I'd like to see them step over this line that so far they still won't cross and just say like, I mean, Schumer and Rounds in there in the language of the UAP Disclosure Act really, in in a sense, did step over that line. But I want to see one of these people just say, look, I, you know, yeah, we, we might not be alone.
00:45:18
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Um, and, and just open that window because i don't think the mystery, I think, I don't think the mystery is going to be resolved with some one single disclosure. I think it's going to turn out that whatever's happening is going to remain quite mysterious.
00:45:35
Speaker
I agree with you. ah completely agree with you. um Yeah, and you know i i think that um
00:45:44
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I don't foresee um any of these politicians really stepping over that line um anytime soon. But I also agree with you that the UAP Disclosure Act definitely...
00:45:58
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ah definitely does step over that line in many respects. And, you know, even just listening to their, ah to the, to Schumer's and and rounds colloquy yeah after the after the, the, the first attempt or the, their, their first attempt failed.
00:46:16
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um it that was a very eye-opening experience too. so I really encourage your listeners to go watch that on C-SPAN if they can.
00:46:27
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i have i have a clip in the introduction that I sometimes use, like i a little like audio montage. And one of those clips is Schumer saying something to the effect of the U.S. has gathered. He always, he says, gathered.
00:46:40
Speaker
And so every time I'm like, oh, I got that, gathered. yeah because The U.S. has gathered, you know, information about UAP and is hiding it from the public, something to that effect. And it's like, yeah, I mean, he's right there. It's like, okay, he said it, you know? Yeah, exactly. All right. I think we should wrap it up unless you feel like sharing your UAP encounter.
00:47:03
Speaker
And if you don't, that's fine. Oh, yeah. Well, so there's there's two things I actually do want to touch on. Oh, please. well there there I'll talk about my very brief and somewhat unexciting citing. And then the other part is that I really want to drive home to your listeners is that I would keep an eye on, i would keep, I would keep an eye on ah the, the national archives because yeah.
Monitoring UAP Document Releases
00:47:31
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um You know, i think on a, on a semi-regular basis, they are,
00:47:41
Speaker
Okay, let me let me take a step back. Going back to the UAP Disclosure Act, government agencies are slowly releasing things to the National Archives because of that legislation, right?
00:47:55
Speaker
A lot of it's not going to be very exciting or, you know, but all of it's going to be interesting, at least from my perspective. um And so, you know, people can access the National Archives.
00:48:05
Speaker
A lot of that material is already online. And so if if people just want to regularly check in on on on their website, on the National Archives website for documents that are sort of trickling out slowly from these various government agencies, I strongly encourage people to do that. I'm going to be doing that more um, as time goes on too, but, um, That's great. And I'll try to find a link and put that in the show notes. That's a great idea. So that people can do that now.
00:48:34
Speaker
Yeah, exactly. I mean, I, I do know for a fact that there's, there's, ah ah a very large number of really interesting, um, uh, U S air force intelligence accounts of, uh, you know, but historical accounts dating back to like the fifties and, so you know, sixties and all that stuff.
00:48:53
Speaker
Um, But there are some really fascinating reports on encounters that service members have had. um I've written about a few of them on my website, too. um But there's there's a lot to check out there. So I encourage people to do that anyway.
00:49:09
Speaker
ah You wanted to know about my my yeah my
Inspiration from Childhood Sighting
00:49:12
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sighting. So, yeah, I mean, what sort of got me interested in this topic was. um A sighting that I had when I was 10 years old, um my mother and I were coming back from my grandparents' house in Maryland. We had just crossed the Mason-Dixon line and um we started seeing um ah this really strange light that was moving around.
00:49:41
Speaker
very radically, had extreme maneuverability. um it was late at night and um it this thing was just, it kept zipping across the sky back and forth. freaked my mom out to such a degree that when we got home, she called the police and she called the one of the local news stations in Harrisburg.
00:50:01
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And they said that they've been getting reports from all from people all night about whatever this thing was in the sky. um And so that really left a huge impression on me. You know, it wasn't, you know, it wasn't.
00:50:16
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would I like to have seen like an actual like solid object? Yeah. As opposed to a light, certainly, but it's still, you know, that left a deep impression on me and that's the topic. So, yeah. Well, not just a light, but a light, as you said, zipping around, I mean, yeah.
00:50:33
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um and There aren't a lot of things that do that. No. And I'm sorry. And this was when you were 10 years old. Yeah. So drones were not prevalent and all that. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I think it was definitely something that was very unusual.
00:50:47
Speaker
But um yeah. But my mom and i You're younger. You're younger than me. So this was the 90s. What's that? This was the ninety s um the Yeah. Early. Must have been early
00:51:04
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Yeah, because i yeah it would have been about 1989, 1990. I've never seen anything zig and zag except for one time, which was my UAP sighting, my UFO sighting. um So, yeah. and And was this like ah a white light, like a star-like object? Or was it yeah bigger?
00:51:20
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it was It was bright and it was white. Bright and white. Yeah, they did i didn't I don't recall there being any any other ah coloration to it or anything. yeah And it was just zipping around, huh?
00:51:33
Speaker
zipping around across the horizon. it was, it was pretty cool. Yeah. Wow. That's great. Well, thanks for sharing that. course. All right, buddy, I'm going to let you go. Thank you so much for your time.
00:51:46
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of course. anyway And congratulations. Really, really good scoop. Thanks. Thank you. I appreciate it, man. Yeah. um Yeah. And thanks again for having me on. I'm always, always down to ah to chat with my old buddy. So.
00:51:59
Speaker
Well, I really appreciate it.