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(mini pod) Declassify UAP's Nick Gold on NJ "Drones"
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Declassify UAP founder Nick Gold talks NJ drones in a wide-ranging conversation to be posted shortly in full!
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Transcript
Introduction to Nick Gold and Declassify UAP
00:00:00
Speaker
Hello, and welcome back to UFO Focus. I'm your host, Isaiah. And what I'm going to do with this episode is this is going to be just a snippet of my much broader conversation, which I will post next with Nick Gold. Nick is the founder of Declassify UAP, p which is a very new organization that is basically dedicated to transparency, ah government transparency around the UFO UAP p issue. And in the full interview, we'll get more deeply into his organization and and many other topics.
New Jersey Drone Incident and Interview Preview
00:00:41
Speaker
Nick is pretty new himself on the UFO scene just like me I guess um ah But I've really enjoyed his contribution so far he's a very smart guy a very nice guy too and um I just really have appreciated his thoughts on all sorts of aspects of the UFO topic so what we spoke this interview was actually about a week ago now or maybe ah even a little more um and one of the many things we talked about was this still baffling quote unquote drone situation in new jersey and seemingly elsewhere um
00:01:22
Speaker
So since we've been talking about that the last couple of episodes, I thought I would kind of cut that out and post that here as a separate episode. So here it is for your enjoyment. You can listen to our full interview soon. And thanks for listening. And please spread the word. Share the podcast on social media and whatnot. That would be great. Very helpful. OK. Enjoy my conversation with Nick Gold of Declassify UAP on The New Jersey Drones.
Are Drones Mistaken for UFOs?
00:01:57
Speaker
I got to ask you about this drone business that has been. Of course. Do you have any insight or thoughts about this mysterious rash of? I have many so-called drones. yeah Many and I've been sharing them profusely on X, that's for sure. um and And I think some people like my views on it and some people don't.
00:02:17
Speaker
Well, let's just quickly kind of get this out of the way and we could probably talk about it for 90 minutes. But um I think it's there's something going on. People are reporting things that they're calling drones. Much of the video does look like some kind of mechanical aircraft that conforms to what we sort of generally think of in that way.
00:02:37
Speaker
right um some Some eyewitness reports are saying, I saw the drones. like It was clearly a drone. It looked like a drone. It had the float flashing lights of a drone. like It was drones, and we saw bunches of them flying right over our house, and I know what those look like. like So you UFOs don't get reported that way typically.
00:02:56
Speaker
Like the things that make UFOs are now UAP interesting is that they have anomalies. It's what the A now kind of officially means in the term UAP, right? um And these things aren't really anomalous in that way. The activity is anomalous in some ways, but the devices that people are seeing, and I know people are making claims or I saw orbs or this or that, but but I have to go off of more of the signal that we have and like the videos and the actual accounts of some of the people news orgs are interviewing and or talking to the FBI and stuff. And like they're all talking about drones. And when people report UFOs, there's there's other elements that make them kind of stand apart from those descriptors.
Evolution and Range of Drone Technology
00:03:38
Speaker
And the other thing that a lot of people just like it's like it's something we know, but it's like it hasn't fully settled on us like AI and UFOs and other stuff.
00:03:47
Speaker
like drones are this very interesting thing that like drone technology has been in development since like the 40s or 50s or maybe even before that like we've used drones that's such a broad category like UFO right a drone is everything between like practically a kid's toy these days And aircraft size, super sophisticated stealth vehicles that we haven't even seen yet from the government, like the RQ-180 that's only been hinted at, like some of the most cutting edge examples, we know that they're working on potentially drone versions of the new SR-72 Hypersonic, you know, aerospace vehicle, like, like
00:04:27
Speaker
do We have drone things in space. We're flying around a drone space plane. I mean, the word drone is so effing generic, and it's such an old set of technologies at this point, decades and decades and decades old. Yeah, we had a Mach 3.3 drone that used to pop off the back of the SR-71 spy plane, and this was 1962 technology.
Drones in Global Conflicts
00:04:50
Speaker
Like, you know, it's like drones has been a thing, but there has been this coalescing over the past five-ish years, maybe going far as back as 10, with both their prevalence in the consumer space at relatively low price points for pretty high levels of sophistication, a certain level of really um both maturity of the technology, lowing of cost, and wide distribution of drone technology at the kind of governmental and military state level of things like whole wars are being not whole wars but like large components of wars are being fought using drones that are sophisticated fly-in packs of dozens if not hundreds at a time are pre-programmed in advance are the size of vehicles
00:05:36
Speaker
have heavy, you know, all sorts of sensor systems on them, but also have like big explosives that are strapped to them. And like Ukraine is, you know, getting these all the time from Russia, and it's being supplied by Iran. And then, you know, Ukraine uses drone boats to blow up Russian naval ships in the Black Sea. And you have Ukraine sending drones back to Moscow over hundreds and hundreds of miles. You have a lot of Middle East conflict right now, or you Middle Eastern countries are sending drones to Israel and launching attacks or Iran is using drones across countries, across countries. So like, we know this, I don't think I just said a lot that a lot of your listeners wouldn't know. I mean, I'll throw in things like those crazy ass drone light shows.
00:06:20
Speaker
where they put up thousands of drones now in this amazing synchronous you know synchronous displays. They treat each a drone like a voxel, a 3D pixel, and they can draw all of these intricate, animated, crazy-ass things, including they do spaceships and UFOs and stuff. um In the sky, and you can like but you know cut a contract with one of those drone services to have that be part of your celebration in your city or whatever. like That's a thing in our world.
00:06:49
Speaker
So there's a lot of tendency among UFO people to want to call this a UFO flap. It doesn't have those hallmarks to me and when we say UFO to mean truly anomalous object. Because to me, that's a big part of it. And, you know,
00:07:05
Speaker
one of the debunker lines for many years has been, well, technically anything in the sky that you can't identify as a UFO. And that's a distraction, because UFOs are these actual things that people see and record and interact with, and you have strange experiences around, and they have all of these outlier anomalous, you know, characteristics associated with them. There's the so-called five to six observables, but like, you know, there's a handful of categories But those categories have largely been consistent from project sign in 1948, 1949, up through the freaking shapes and characteristics charts that Arrow has put out in the last two years. So it's not like it's a really changing dramatically the collection of things when we're talking about the actual outliers these UFOs are. So I don't like calling anything up in the sky that that you know we haven't fully identified a UFO. like
00:08:01
Speaker
I sit here in my living room right now and I see the sky. I have a lot of air traffic here in Baltimore City. And one of the things I see are distant planes, yes, miles away, but I can see specs of them on their approach path to BWI Airport, you know, here in Baltimore area. And like when I just see them as a spec in the distance,
00:08:21
Speaker
They're not UFOs because I haven't fully resolved and identified. It looks like a spec, but I can, you know, it's not doing anything anomalous. It's on the flight path of BWI. It kind of looks like what all those airplanes are. I can cross-reference that on a flight tracker app now and see, yep, it's an airplane. I don't call it a UFO just because I can't immediately identify exactly which flight it is, model of aircraft, et cetera.
00:08:43
Speaker
so When people are reporting drones and describing drones and taking video of things that do seem like they might be drones, and they're making drone noises, which is something that UFOs don't tend to do, make large buzzing helicopter and propeller blade type sounds, like not really what they do,
00:09:01
Speaker
ah There are haven't been a lot of UFO waves where dozens of UFOs fly over someone's house, and then that happens for weeks and weeks at a time. That's not that's quite a bit more intense than a typical UFO wave. That's not what UFO wave has typically meant. And people are trying to use that term and saying, oh, it's a UFO flap.
00:09:19
Speaker
Well, this would be quite a flap if it was a UFO flap. um and And, you know, there's been these drone slash ambiguous UFO things like in Colorado a few years ago when people were seeing these things.
Drones vs. UAP: Authority Transparency Concerns
00:09:30
Speaker
And it was hard, I think, harder then to know were we dealing with drones? Was it adversarial? I mean, people were having all these conversations about what might be going on. and And still, a lot of the conversation was about drones and a lot of the people reporting them used drone language, even though some were like it seemed unidentified and kind of weird and not like normal aircraft we see.
00:09:49
Speaker
Again, they weren't using the sets of descriptors we normally hear when people have these like holy cow UFO sightings, right? um So you know it was a little ambiguous then, but I think now we're seeing accumulating sets of evidence that people are having UAP conversations and they're having these drone incident conversations about Langley, about the British bases, just like a week or two ago that were essentially happening at the same time as these New Jersey sightings, yeah which is showing us that things are now going on in waves simultaneously in different points around the world that are affecting our infrastructure, our bases, things like that. So something is afoot, and it's got a fairly broad presence at this point. um But because of the fact that I've been a geek for, among many other things, drone technology since the 90s, and following it as a military tech enthusiast and stuff like that, and reading cyberpunk, and having drones be involved in cyberpunk novel plot lines, and that's just been in my head for 35 years now.
00:10:47
Speaker
I was actually waiting for more of these types of things to start happening ah using quote-unquote very broad definition drone technology. Like there's going to be points because this technology is so cheap, so superfluous, so sophisticated, like drone incidents will start to occur. If the technology exists and it's affordable and you can do things that you might want to do with it, people are going to use it at some point.
00:11:10
Speaker
And ah now we're seeing these drone flaps over a few years now. I think it's concerning. I think because of its inherent ambiguities between it as a phenomenon and whatever possible overlap that has with UAP, maybe that's just a matter of like how some people might interpret it or how it loosely presents. But here's the problem. When they tell us that these highly anomalous UAP are real now, and that's the official line, but they don't really tell us much of anything about them,
00:11:40
Speaker
And now they're calling, well, these drone flaps are happening. FBI is saying, I don't even know if it's really dangerous or not. Like it might be. We don't really know what we're dealing with, which I think they know a lot more than they're saying. But like, let's say that's just the official line. And I think we should assume we get about as much real information from them on these drone incidents as we get it from them on the UAP incidents. Like we shouldn't assume they're telling us everything at face value about these drone incidents when we assume the exact opposite about what they're telling us about UFOs.
Conclusion and Full Interview Announcement
00:12:07
Speaker
And that will be it for this little mini episode of UFO Focus. Again, I'll be posting the full interview with Nick Gold very shortly, I think probably within about 24 hours. And I hope you enjoyed it. Please share the show. If you have time to give it a nice review on Apple or whatever, that would be great. um And I'll see you next time.