Become a Creator today!Start creating today - Share your story with the world!
Start for free
00:00:00
00:00:01
News: Sarah Gamm, UAP Task Force
86 Plays1 month ago
We review some recent interviews with Sarah Gamm, a former intelligence analyst who worked on the UAP Task Force and is convinced that "we are not alone."
@UFOFocus
Gamm on Good Trouble Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ot3w8q7GKso&t=5832s
Gamm on Disclosure Team: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfMiA-PHvZY
Dave Greening on Bandcamp: https://davegreening.bandcamp.com/
Recommended
Transcript
Intro & Call for UFO Stories
00:01:35
Speaker
Okay, and we've got a sock on the microphone this time, which hopefully is gonna help me with my ah notorious pee pops. Pee pop? Okay, I hope that's working.
00:01:48
Speaker
Hi everyone. Welcome back to UFO Focus. I'm so glad you're here. My name is Isaiah. I'm your host. You can find me, uh, you can email me at UFO focus podcast at proton.me and you can find me on X at UFO focus.
00:02:10
Speaker
As I've announced a few times before, I'm really ah still very interested in interviewing people about their own personal UFO experiences. So if you've seen a UFO or think maybe you did, please feel free to hit me up. Again, the email is UFO focus podcast.
00:02:31
Speaker
at proton dot em.me. With that, let's get the show going.
Deep Dive into Today's UFO Topic
00:02:36
Speaker
I was thinking that today was going to be kind of a quick hit, somewhat like last week's breaking news story. um But what I'm finding is that um what even might be a quick hit for you all is not always a quick hit for me. um Today's topic kind of took me on different rabbit holes of research.
00:02:57
Speaker
um which took a while and that's fine i'm not complaining at all it's just uh if anything a commentary on i don't know the craziness and depth of this topic.
Sarah Gamm's Background and UAP Work
00:03:11
Speaker
But let's get to the topic tonight. And that is a couple of recent interviews with a woman named Sarah Gamm. That's G-A-M-M. So who is Sarah Gamm? Sarah Gamm is a former intelligence analyst who worked um for an agency called the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, or the NGA, which is part of the Department of Defense.
00:03:38
Speaker
Crucially, for our purposes, Ms. Gam also worked with the UAP task force. Now I'm going to give a little bit of background here, so some vegetables for everybody. um The UAP task force was a government UFO office that preceded Arrow, the current government UFO office. It was created in 2018, which was after one year, some months after the famous 2017 New York Times article
00:04:11
Speaker
um that revealed the existence of yet another UFO program within the government, and that also brought to light um the very famous videos, including of the Nimitz incident, ah the Nimitz and Princeton UFO encounter that took place off the West Coast, as well as some weird encounters that took place 10 years later um off the East Coast.
00:04:39
Speaker
The UAP task force and Arrow have both been accused, and rightly so, I think, of not being forthcoming with details about their investigations and their findings.
Secrecy and Truth in UAP Investigations
00:04:52
Speaker
um That being said,
00:04:55
Speaker
There is a kind of narrative that's emerged that while Arrow, at least under its former director, Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, seemed or seems pretty bent on downplaying and debunking ah the idea that there's anything mysterious going on with UFOs.
00:05:17
Speaker
This narrative holds that the UAP Task Force, which was actually organized um under the Navy, was different, that it was more interested in, I guess, the truth, whatever that is, even though the results of its work have basically been kept from the public.
Claims of Secret UFO Recovery Programs
00:05:35
Speaker
um I think that it's worth keeping that narrative in mind as we continue here. A couple more interesting things. um The UAP Task Force is where David Grush was working for a time. David Grush being the um rather famous, at least in UFO circles, um whistleblower who came forward a year ago alleging, well, alleging a secret UFO recovery program buried deep within the government and or private industry, and who said basically that
00:06:12
Speaker
the government and or private industry have recovered a craft of non-human origin. I think we're gonna do a whole kind of deep dive on David Grush very soon. Anyway, so Sarah Gamm worked with the UAP task force. David Grush also worked with the UAP task force. Apparently they didn't interact according to Ms. Gamm. So she knows of him but does not know him or did not know him.
00:06:41
Speaker
What's interesting here is that, you know, I just mentioned that we know very little about what happened within this UAP task force, right? Well, as far as I can make out, we've only heard, we the public, have only heard from three people, three individuals who worked within this UAP task force. David Grush is one. A fellow named Jay Stratton is another.
00:07:08
Speaker
And now Sarah Gam is the third. So we really had very little insight into what the ua task what the UAP task force was doing, what they were looking at and what they found. And Ms. Gam really has provided some of the first clues here, if we are to believe her. And to cut to the chase, one of the things Ms. Gam has to say is that she reviewed videos that convinced her that we are being visited by craft of non
Controversy Over Sarah Gamm's Credibility
00:07:43
Speaker
-human origin. Pretty big deal, I think. In terms of assessing Ms. Gam's credibility, I don't have much to say. ah She's not testifying under oath here. She's um not a whistleblower in the classic sense, at least. um
00:07:59
Speaker
She's not alleging wrongdoing or anything like that. She's simply speaking about her experiences. And there is a lot in terms of her experiences that she says she cannot talk about because of security oaths she's taken. But she can talk about um Her experience is at least in broad strokes, and that's what she's doing. And she's spoken with several journalists already now. So we're going to get to a couple of those interviews in just a moment. But before we do this, one more thing I want to address, which is that apparently right before Ms. Gam's first public interview, with which was with um Matt Ford of The Good Trouble Show, that's another podcast and YouTube channel that you should check out.
00:08:45
Speaker
Right before she went on that show, this journalist, and I use the term very loosely here, um who is very notorious in the UFO scene, um went ahead and published on X, and I don't know where else, um various details about Ms. Gam's personal life or private life. Now, I want to make clear that this is not something that journalists typically do or really ever should do. Are there exceptions? Yes. You know, when it comes to elected figures, people in very high positions of power, you know, there's an argument that pretty much anything you find that can be verified is is fair game. um But when it comes to
00:09:37
Speaker
private citizens. um This is not journalism. This is sleazebaggery, for lack of a better word. I'm really surprised that this journalist, whose name is Stephen Greenstreet, um has been able to hold a job where he does, which is the New York Post, but I guess that sort of explains why he's been able to hold a job.
00:10:02
Speaker
And I sort of debated the merit of even um airing some of the stuff that this Green Street guy put out about Miss Gamm, but it's it's so flimsy and irrelevant that... but Let's just get it out of the way, shall we? So I'm actually looking at his post on X here. Okay, I'm just gonna read a few snippets here.
00:10:29
Speaker
Sarah Gamm was a quote analyst for the Pentagon's UFO task force. Well, there's really no need to put the word analyst in quotes. That was her job. Anyway.
00:10:41
Speaker
From 2013 to 2022, she worked for the National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, blah, blah, blah. She claims to be a, quote, psychic medium who can communicate with angels and dead people. Under the name, quote, Sarah Grace, she runs a psychic business. For $75, you can hire her to do a psychic reading or for $150 to contact a dead relative.
00:11:09
Speaker
Sarah claims she had a near-death experience in 2012, and this experience, quote, accelerated both her psychic abilities and her paranormal experiences. I'll go on. Here we go. Additionally, she was at one point dating Micah Hanks, a journalist at the debrief. I'm going to stop there. He goes on to smear other people as well.
00:11:34
Speaker
So I'm going to work in reverse order. First of all, Micah Hanks, who you may recall as my first guest on this podcast, very quickly came out and said, no, that's not accurate. We didn't date. We're friends. um To which Green Street then posted, listen to this, after that, Green Street posts,
00:11:54
Speaker
Quote, update, Micah Hanks takes issue with the phrase dating above, stating instead that he and Gam have indeed known each other and connected on many occasions, which he put in quotes for some reason and done social things like hiking together. Hey, Green Street, that's not an update. That's called a correction. And you need to explain why you said that two people and two private citizens were dating.
00:12:23
Speaker
when you didn't apparently have that information. I mean, it's just so sleazy. Anyway, so let's get to the rest of this stuff. So Sarah Gamm is an a self-proclaimed psychic who had a near-death experience and has a little business charging people for you know psychic interactions.
00:12:46
Speaker
Well, first of all, Ms. Gam addressed these things.
Spiritual Beliefs and Psychic Claims
00:12:51
Speaker
It was actually, I thought, quite compelling on her first appearance on The Good Trouble Show, which you can go listen to that. We're not going to play these clips. Ms. Gam acknowledged what Green Street wrote, and she basically said, yeah, you know, I consider myself a spiritual person. I believe in and things that not everybody does. And I'm not ashamed of that. I'm not embarrassed about that. I'm proud of it. And um yeah, I've got nothing to hide there. And good for her, because first of all, Ms. Gam's personal spiritual beliefs um do not change the facts of the case, which are that she was, in fact, an analyst for the DoD who worked with the UAP task force. That's why we're interested in what she has to say. Second of all,
00:13:42
Speaker
What, weird spiritual beliefs? I'd like to remind everyone that um a majority of elected officials in this country are self-proclaimed Christians. Nobody asks them about their weird spiritual beliefs, and I'm not making fun of Christianity. I'm simply making the point that ah anyone's spiritual beliefs might look weird to someone else who has different spiritual beliefs.
00:14:09
Speaker
I think the real question here is um what on earth motivates a self-proclaimed journalist like this Stephen Green Street to act this way um in a way that's totally unprofessional that, you know, really frankly, um is a disgrace to journalism. And as a journalist for almost 20 years now, I mean, I take that very seriously and personally. um Good, real journalists do not act this way.
00:14:41
Speaker
and journalists who do ah bring shame and distrust to our profession and should be booted out as expeditiously as possible. And just a quick note um about something that Matt, the host of the Good Trouble Show, said when he was talking about this Green Street's um post on X. Matt, who was very justifiably angry about this,
00:15:08
Speaker
um He said something to the effect of, ah you know, there is this ah standard of ethics that all journalists are required to sign and that this kind of behavior is a violation violation of that standard of ethics. That is not correct, actually. um There is no uniform standard of ethics that all journalists sign somewhere. It just doesn't work like that. There are codes of ethics in journalism, but they're basically informal.
00:15:41
Speaker
and they're enforced um by the companies a journalist works for, or they're self-enforced within the journalism community. To some extent, they're enforced by the possibility of getting sued over something a journalist puts out there. um But they are not formal. They are not standardized. And that just wasn't correct information. And as a professional journalist myself, I just kind of feel the need to correct the facts where I see
Classified Videos and Public Frustrations
00:16:10
Speaker
them wrong. so OK, so with that said, let's hear from Sarah Gamm herself. I'm just going to play a couple of clips. um A quick note about the audio. I am using audio from two podcasts or shows, um The Good Trouble Show, which I mentioned earlier with Matt Ford.
00:16:29
Speaker
and another excellent podcast um or YouTube channel, I should say, um called Disclosure Team hosted by Vinnie Adams. And of course, I'm going to link to these podcast episodes in the show notes so that you can go and listen to these interviews in full yourself.
00:16:47
Speaker
So the first clip of Miss Gam we're going to hear is from her first appearance in public on the Good Trouble show. And ah this is basically here's the the the headline from that interview. cant Can you at least say were there things that you saw that were clearly not from here? Maybe from our neighbors somewhere else?
00:17:11
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. There was a few times when no doubt in my mind, that's not terrestrial. That's not from Earth. That's not an adversary craft. ah The way things maneuver, G-forces experienced disappear, reappear, pop back up. Sometimes it was, and I know I'm not saying anything new, but it's like it would like play.
00:17:37
Speaker
and um pilots would lose track of something and it's no doubt in your mind, not from Earth.
00:17:50
Speaker
So where, you might be wondering, where are these videos? Well, they're classified. um We already knew that. We already knew that.
00:18:01
Speaker
most if not essentially all of this material that was studied by the UAP uap task force um remains classified. And during the course of the interview, Ms. Gem explains that, explains why these things are classified. Typically it's to protect sources and methods. And she expresses sympathy for those who feel frustrated that ah the public can't see more of what she was able to see. However, that is the case.
00:18:30
Speaker
and her characterization of the secrecy or classification of this information um comports with what David Grush has told us and what Jay Stratton has told us. So again, you know we've only heard from three people so far who belong to this UAP task force. And um two of them believe that we're being visited by some sort of non-human intelligence. I'm not sure about the third, Stratton. I don't believe he's said that ah directly.
00:19:01
Speaker
But anyway, let's continue. um Here is Ms. Gam, again, ah sort of the headline quote ah from her very recent interview on with Vinnie Adams of Disclosure Team. But would you say that there was definitely enough evidence, video evidence to convince you that what you we will you were looking at in maybe a small number of cases represented something that probably wouldn't have been made by man?
00:19:29
Speaker
Absolutely. we are We are not alone. you
Descriptions of UFO Sightings
00:19:35
Speaker
Absolutely. We are not alone. Okay. Pretty straightforward. Here's another clip um from Disclosure Team. Here's Gam responding. Vinny asked Gam about some UFO alleged video or something. I can't remember, but um I thought her response was was interesting. I apologize. The um quality of the audio is a little shaky. ah That's not on my end. I did not see that one, but I have seen I'll call it playful maneuvering and I said playful.
00:20:11
Speaker
because I'm not a pilot. I'm sure if you're a pilot and you're in this state, that's not going to be playful to you. But I'm saying playful from my safe, comfy chair in my office. No, I understand. That makes perfect sense. so And with these orbs that you'd seen, or are we talking discs and triangles, or the various shapes? um The ones that I'm talking about weren't great quality of video. So to me, it looked like um orbs balls type thing in the air just because of the the quality of the data wasn't the best but you could it it was a playful maneuvering for sure. Right and did these objects show any sign of conventional propulsion? um I mean and the sudden changes of movement the things that
00:21:01
Speaker
has been heard a lot over the years of G-forces being suddenly changed and physics that we don't understand. yeah It's unexplainable on and what it could be. It's not birds. Birds don't maneuver like that. A lot of our videos did have birds as the solution or the answer to what we were looking at, but in in some cases they weren't.
00:21:27
Speaker
There's another piece of the interview, which I'm not going to play here. I don't want to borrow too much of Vinny's audio, but um in which Vinny asks Miss Gam about, I guess, a pretty notorious video or image that's um been believed to be out there of a triangular craft coming out of the water. I think this traces back to Lou Elizondo.
00:21:57
Speaker
So Vinny asks Ms. Gam about this this alleged video or photograph, and Ms. Gam says, yes, I've seen it. She says, ah quote, my eyeballs have seen that. but But she also says that she was not directly involved in the analysis of that, that that any analysis of whatever that was had taken place before, but prior to the UAP task force.
Community Values in UFO Discussions
00:22:22
Speaker
I'm just going to play one more clip here from Disclosure Team with Ms. Gam, um because I think it sort of speaks to ah some of the themes that I've talked about today. Well, listen, and Sarah, that's been a fantastic conversation. I've really enjoyed it. I have one final question, and that would be, how do we move forward, both as a community, whether it's researchers or just people with an interest in the subject, how do we move forward? but um I would say keep an open mind.
00:22:52
Speaker
no matter what is out there, we all want the same thing and we want the truth. And I mean, like I said earlier, the truth is here. And I am just providing another layer of validation to what has already been said. But yeah, I keep an open mind and um Don't be mean. Please don't be mean. Because we, you know, this person here, I still have a life and I have lost friends already because of this and it is not easy. um So, so remember that that I'm still a human and whoever else is a whistleblower or, or the people, I don't consider myself a whistleblower. I'm just speaking my truth, but we all have
00:23:39
Speaker
feelings and a family. And so please be kind. That's a wonderful way to finish off this conversation. And I couldn't agree more. What a wonderful way to finish off this conversation.
Listener Engagement and Podcast Music
00:23:52
Speaker
Thanks for tuning in again. I hope you're enjoying the podcast. If you are, please um subscribe. Please give it a review. um five stars if you're up for it on Apple podcast that would be really helpful a few people have done that thank you so much and I'll be back soon I've got a whole bunch of interviews that I'm lining up so we're gonna have more interviews coming up with some really great guests I'm looking forward to these conversations oh and one last thing I
00:24:25
Speaker
I was about to do the the credit for the intro music and the outro music that's about to play, but there's a a little story I have to tell you about this music. So you remember last week we talked about this story by Michael Schellenberger about an alleged secret government UFO program called Immaculate Constellation, right?
00:24:45
Speaker
Well, so there was some chatter online. Somebody looked up the Google search history of that term, Immaculate Constellation, and they found that it spiked. I can't remember exactly when, but it spiked some years back or something. And so then there was this chatter about, well, does that validate that this is real? But then somebody else figured out that, oh, this guy released an album at that time.
00:25:15
Speaker
And the album is called Craft of Nonhuman Origin. Not making this up. And then one of the tracks on this album is called Immaculate Constellation. Now here's the best part.
00:25:29
Speaker
Um, Micah Hanks on his podcast was, was talking about this and mentioned the name of this gentleman, Dave Greening, who put out these tracks. And so I looked him up. I found his band camp. Thanks, Micah. And I sent him a message. I listened to the tracks. I thought they were really cool. And I sent him a message and I said, Hey, would it be okay to use this music on, uh, the UFO focus podcast? And he wrote he got back to me. Mr. Greening got back to me, uh, very quickly and.
00:25:57
Speaker
very politely said yes, go ahead, it's free to use. So I'm really pleased to say that the intro music today was the track Immaculate Constellation by Dave Greening and the outro track is another one called The Cowboy and the Cosmic Encounter. And I'll put a link to Mr. Greening's band camp in the show notes. Okay, that's it for this episode. Thanks for tuning in. See you next time.