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Episode 28 More ways Big Tech is stealing your data
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IT and data center professional Sean Patrick Tario returned to the show to discuss all things data security and privacy.
We dived into what's happening with Adobe, which has come under fire recently for the ways in which they can steal your data and sell it to 3rd parties without your knowing.
Sean also talks about some of the fake freedom phones on the market, how to tell the phonies from the real thing, and makes his pitch for why his Ghost devices are the most secure, trusted devices on the market.
Sean is a master at taking the complex world of tech and data security and privacy and dumbing it down so that even non-techies can understand it.
The ways in which Big Tech can spy on you, steal your data, and sell it or give it to 3rd parties and government agencies as well as use their profits to fund causes and candidates that go against everything we believe in is the trillion dollar elephant in the room nobody is talking about.
Sean is on a mission to educate people on this nefarious practice and aims to train people how to migrate away from Big Tech's platforms, apps, software, and devices and onto safer and more secure Open Source alternatives through his work at Mark37.com.
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Data Privacy and Big Tech Alternatives
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Let's get back to the show.
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All right, welcome back to another episode of Liberty Alliance Networks. What can we do? I am Haley Heathman, and today I'm joined once again by Sean Patrick-Tario. Sean is the founder of mark37.com and is an IT and data center professional. And we are going to continue the conversation around data privacy and security. And he's going to explain it all so even a non-techy like me can understand. So ah Sean, welcome back to the show. I'm so happy to be here, Haley. Thanks for having me. So happy. So happy. Come on. so happy Yeah, that's it. There we go. All right. So I got to say that even though this is ah like a kind of a topic that's like way out of my wheelhouse, um our last conversation was probably like one of my most favorite episodes I've ever done on the show. And I say that because you're just like,
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such a compelling speaker and you described, I think in some of the write-ups and descriptions, like when I was promoting it, I was like, I described you as like a pastor delivering a sermon. It's like, you're fiery and you're convicted and you can tell that you're super passionate about this and it just comes through in your delivery. So like, hopefully we can accomplish that again today. I will bring, I'll bring it. I was up pretty darn late last night because my, uh, my family was flying East coast and they had all kinds of layovers. So I wanted to make sure that they got there safe, but I'm, the drink and some coffee and I think I ah can bring the fire for you. That's it. bret Let's bring the fire, bring the fire. Well, let's start speaking of bringing the fire. Let's start with some news headlines. um Adobe apparently has jumped the shark. Apparently they have um
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way gone over the data privacy and security ah Rubicon, it looks like. and a piss and um I'm looking on Twitter, and actually, like apart from anything that that we are involved in, it was just like a random thread on Twitter that I came across where Twitter is a buzz even with um news of what Adobe is doing. And it's pretty big from what I understand. So can you tell me what's going on there? um So I can't get into much of the specifics because I haven't dug in too much, but what I do know is this. ah There are many folks ah in in our open source privacy security camp that have been warning people about Adobe for a very long time.
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ah So this is not really something new that Adobe is doing. It is simply being found out and uncovered and really just shared because people have known this information for a long time. And it's just now coming out that there's tons of scripting and and code in their software. that is scraping, pulling, harvesting data and information. So this is where when we say big tech is evil and when we say big tech has been doing this for a very long time and that we live in a surveillance economy and that these companies are data miners and that this data mining component to
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technology has been at play for a very long time. Like literally since the mid to late nineties, this has been happening, right? Um, none of this is really new for us that have been paying attention. It's just new to a lot of the people who just have not been paying attention. So that's, it's a good thing that people are starting to wake up to this, but then the next logical question is, well, what do I do? Where do I go? What do I use? Right? Um, so that's, and people only know how to use Adobe people. This is a conversation, Haley, that I have to have every day and I wish I could just record myself and just put myself on like repeat. Um, cause people are like, well, I'm just so used to using office 365 or I'm just so used to using Adobe. Like I know the Adobe suite really well, or I know outlook or I know, I mean, you name it, right?
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um I don't want to have to learn a new thing. It took me forever just to get to the point where I could use this thing, right? um i I hear that. I understand that. However, by continuing to use that thing, you're simply participating in the process. And that's like, well, I'm just i'm used to the flavor and the taste of... ah um What's a good one? ah Lucky Charms, right? I love the taste of Lucky Charms. I know it's not good for me. I know it's extremely unhealthy and it's basically poison for my body with the amount of sugar and other chemicals that are in it. But it's really good and I enjoy eating it and I i love it. And I'm like, that's not
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going, do you want to be healthier from a digital and security perspective or not? If the answer is yes, then I'm sorry, you're going to have to learn new things. We have to get comfortable being uncomfortable and starting to really reshift and reshape the way that we use these tools. And the first piece of it is understanding how these things work. right um That's the hardest part for the vast majority of users and new users. They simply don't even remotely understand how these tools you work fundamentally in the first place. And they just want it super simple, and um they don't want to have to really change or do anything. you know um Anyway, i'm I'm going to be going on my rant again. But that concept of having to learn how to do something new, when you realize that Adobe is not
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going to be a company that's in the same camp, right, as we are on the same mission, um that they're using your dollars to support candidates, causes and organizations that are diametrically opposed to our values, you have to make a decision and a choice. And if that choice is change, then you're gonna have to change. Just get comfortable with it. Like spend an hour or two hours learning and reading the manual, ah going into settings and tweaking things to make it the way you want it.
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before you fully transition over, but you have to spend the time and make the investment into doing it. It's not going to be easy. Again, it's like growing your own food. You don't just buy a thing and then all of a sudden you're a master gardener. It's a process. It's a journey. If you approach it that way, you're going to be far more successful and get some upfront help. um Sorry, I'm going on my rant again, but um I literally talked to so many people during the day having the same conversation over and over again. um And it's you know the people who are like, well, I didn't want to use Adobe. I wanted to use this new thing. And I've spent five hours trying to get this new thing set up. And it's been so hard and so difficult. And the simple questions will
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Did you reach out to anybody to try to get some helpful tips and tricks on how to set this thing up correctly initially? Well, no. Did you read the user manual that was sent with the thing? Well, no. um Did you have like an end goal in mind before you started the process? Well, no. And I'm like, how How people haven't learned how to learn right over the last couple decades? Well, you know, we're we're going backwards. We're going backwards like I think IQs are dropping and everything. I mean, so yeah, no and they don't teach it.
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They don't teach us how to learn, how to be lifelong learners. They indoctrinate us and brainwash us and then turn us into ah NPCs that are just fueled by outrage, um but without any critical thinking skills, basically. oh um Well, I was reading because on ill i'll I'll just tell you a couple a summary of the rights that Adobe is asserting over your work. This is from one of the ah Twitter threads I was referring to. It says, They can review it for content moderation. They can manually review it, humans. They can publish it or give it away for free. They can sell it to third parties, which is sub-licensing. They can and will use it to train their AI. and You can't fully opt out of it, even if files are local, so content aware, fill, and other non-specified tools. and Somebody was asking, can they see your secret legal documents in Adobe Acrobat?
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And the response was, yes, if you store your documents in their cloud or if you use certain tools. um Yeah. They've been pushing you to use their cloud service. I mean, they they essentially force you to use their cloud service. So that's for for real. um One thing I want to say is there's a great resource that we stumbled upon about two weeks ago. There's been a handful out there, but we really like this one. It's called Linux links. L-I-N-U-X-L-I-N-K-S dot com. Linux links dot com.
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And it's it's similar to the website that is um like alternative to or ah so something like that. I forget forget the name of that, the other website. But this gives you a whole bunch of different options in different domains. So you can say like, I want accounting software that's not controlled by big tech or I want you name it. I want graphic design software. Whatever it is, um it has all kinds of different options and some short write-ups on what it is and then you can dig in and explore from there because we we get those questions all the time. you know I'm a graphic designer, I'm this, I'm that. you know What is a good alternative? I'm a book writer. What is a good alternative? All these different alternatives. so so There's more and more of these tools that are out there now where people can start exploring and learning what these alternatives are.
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Do you know off the top of your head a adequate suitable alternative to Adobe? So Adobe is a big giant thing, right? So it's a block of software. So if you're looking for something that can do everything that Adobe can do, you know, Adobe who has spent probably tens of billions of dollars in software development over the last 20 years. No, there's no one silver bullet company that can accomplish that. ah However, there are various other tools that you can use to accomplish certain things. So if it's just dealing with PDFs, ah there's a handful of of good PDF alternatives. One we actually install on devices. It is called Collabra Office. um That's one for your your phones. um There's a stock PDF viewer and whatnot that comes on the GrapheneOS operating system that's available.
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when it comes to like doing graphic design work, the most simple, basic one that most people use is called GNU Image, G-N-U Image, that can do a lot. um And there's just tons, you just have to start digging and and looking um for for what those alternatives are. But that's simple search, right? So open up your Brave browser and just say, what is an alternative, an open source alternative to, you name it. And you'll get to see a bunch of options that are that are available out there. Well, and I think that there's a, um like, if you're entrepreneur entrepreneurial minded, there's an opportunity here because, um you know, you talk about, like, if you make yourself an expert on, say, new canoe image or colabra or whatever,
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then you can start creating like um tutorials and stuff and monetize, you know, tutorials, get an email list, make some videos on YouTube, etc.
Challenges in the Parallel Economy
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And you become the guru, the person. Or, um you know, like I know you like, Sean, you do a little bit of like you've got a wider let's say skill set but you could also niche down to the point where hey I'm just gonna be the collaborate guru you know I can offer consulting I can do what Sean's doing but just on a much simpler smaller scale and you can kind of take it and run with that way so like if you are entrepreneurial minded if you're tech minded if you do have these skills then that's how you can maybe also make yourself more valuable um in the world as well by
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you know, opening up a new market for people who are looking for these, you know, alternative solutions. Right. Yeah, that education and training is very needed and valuable. The the kicker there, though, is this, it's it's kind of that catch 22, you know, chicken egg issue that we have and I I wrote started writing an article and then I stopped because I didn't want to be in that mindset that I was in, which was kind of pissed off angry mindset. um Because I talk regularly with other entrepreneurs that are in this parallel economy world. And we constantly are up against customers who are like, well,
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Why don't you have this feature? or Why don't you have that feature? or why don't you Why aren't you offering this or that? And the reality is it's it's because we don't have enough customers who are willing to migrate off of Adobe, off of Office 365, off of Zoom, off of all these different platforms that will provide us the revenue stream that will then give us the business model and economics model ah that we can then go out and and convince investors at the end of the day to take that risk with their money to put it into this new parallel autonomy economy tech company to grow that and scale that even though privacy and security every day is just ramping higher and higher more and more people are being becoming aware so you would think there would be a hot hot market right now.
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But I'm telling you, it is tough. it Every single entrepreneur that entrepreneur that I know who is on the tech side, who's building parallel economy stuff right now is struggling because we are dealing with consumers who do not want to let go of their existing stuff, despite the fact that they know they should. They don't want to do the hard thing. So that's that's just the paradigm reality that we're in right now. And it's, I liken it to, you know, we're in 1774, right? 1775. We're on the front lines. We're preaching the truth. And we're telling people that they need to wake up and that they need to take this stuff seriously. And they need to get out from under the enslavement of these these monolithic companies. And people are like, yeah, yeah.
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Rah right? I'm behind you. I support you. I'm praying for you I really, you know, what you're doing is so good and valuable and like, we appreciate what you're doing, but when it comes to them actually having to do something other than like retweet or like, ah there's there just is no movement. um And I'm telling you, it is painful. i'm I'm dealing with that right now or I'm literally pleading with the Lord and I'm like, Lord, where's the light at the end of this tunnel? At at what point do things really,
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flip? And is it even going to? um Because I'm, I don't know, it's just the reality that of the space that we're in right now now. I totally hear that. Yeah. And that's kind of the obviously the sort of the the, you know, the point of my show is like, you have to take action. and And I'm just so tired. And I know you are too. I'm so frustrated of hearing people on our side bitch and moan and complain. Um, and yet not do anything. I'm just tired of it. I'm tired of it. And especially like, you know, now we're, you know, with like these Trump indictments and everything, I'm like, ah like, hello, do you see, do you see what's going on here? They said that they're not playing around. This isn't a bluff. These people play for keeps and they're not going to limit themselves, you know? So I'm like, you have to start to just.
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take yourself out of that culture and their their matrix and everything because you you have to do it on you on your own. They're not just going to be like, okay, we've gone far enough. you know They don't get cowed. They don't get shamed. They have no shame. and um you know so That's where this is going. And you know the one of the the the quotes that I always use is ah Jeff Diest. You might not be familiar with him, but he's familiar with ah to a lot of libertarians. He used to be the um president of the Mises Institute, and he's not anymore. But um one of his famous famous quotes is, the difference between the left and the right is that the left is serious. The left is serious. you know The right, I don't know. I don't know what we're doing. I don't know what we're doing.
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i I think we get, there's two things maybe, im now I'm going off. Now it's my turn to rant and go off on a tangent. But that but the but the um the two things, number one, Trump. Trump sucks the air out of the room. Trump paralyzes us. We focus so much on Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump. And like yes, there's a lot there, obviously. you know that we um But he paralyzes it. We don't take any other action that's not related to Trump. Number two, I think, are guns. Of course, I love guns. I am, you know, a big proponent of the Second Amendment. But I think people on our side think, well, we've got the guns. We're going to win. I'm like, you know what? That's like one of the like who said it like the CCP says we're going to take over America. We won't even have to fire a single shot. What good are your guns? They've already taken over everything. So you think just because we've got the guns and we could beat them in a shootout. Well, they're not.
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they're not beating us in a shootout they're taking over all the major cultural institutions everywhere and by the time you know it by the time you even get a chance to use your guns it's already over it's already over so i think it i think all of this like lulls us into this in action paralyzes us you know a false sense of security about what's actually going on here and next thing you know our our country's gone yeah Yeah, amen. I mean, 100%. And the, the fundamental lack of understanding that people have about what lengths
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evil is willing to go to accomplish their ends, right? When the ends justify the means, the means can literally be anything under the sun, lying, cheating, stealing, killing, killing the innocent, killing billions of people, starting World War III, dropping nuclear weapons, you know, mass, poverty, like- Starvation, famine, all that, yeah. doesn't matter, right? So long as they achieve their end on the end, it doesn't matter how they get there. And that's where people with values, like people who value values aren't willing to go to those extremes, right? Right. So that's also what we're up against. But the other key, like I've been, I've been asking myself this question since I literally before 911, when I started really realizing
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What was going on in the world and you know again pleading with the Lord just saying if the world is truly run by gangsters Who don't care about the rule of law? They don't care about the Constitution. They don't care about anything ah then what hope do we have really at the end of the day to to win a battle on a fight against people who are willing to do anything to accomplish what they're trying to accomplish. ah And the Lord just keep replying replying to me, that's my problem to solve. You just focus on being the best person you possibly can be and trying to be a light to as many people as you possibly can be. That's
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That was my mission, right? ah So that's all I, for me, that's a response that I've gotten. And just to keep exposing the truth. So when we do hear about, you know, the truth, and the light will expose this stuff, and the people will start to wake up, you know, I still have a lingering hope that we will see some major shifts. um Because really, what gives them power is money and this illusion of money that they have that it's actually worth something because they're creating it from nothing,
Redefining Wealth and Power Dynamics
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right? What is money? It's really just energy. So they've created this energy from nothing and it becomes this um kind of self-fulfilling prophecy of it going to nothing when they keep printing more and more of it. So this energy that they've created that they think they have value, has value, that they've leveraged to buy off politicians, to buy off
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sports figures, media figures, you name it, right? we're up against something where our energy that we run with is different than that, right? Yes, we do in some regards need some money to exist in certain paradigms, but as I continue to remind the people around me, like I may not have bunch of zeros in my bank account, but I am one of the wealthiest people on the planet, I believe, because I have three kids who are amazing that love me and I love them dearly.
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They're present. um They're just amazing humans. I'm so proud of them. I have a wife who I adore and who adores me. um And I have, you know, dozens of friends all over this country that I could call up at a moment's notice and say, Hey, I'm going to be by stopping by tomorrow. Are you around? And they would welcome me with open arms. And I have my faith like, What more do I need, right? That for me is wealth. That's how I define wealth. And we have to reach again, do the hard thing. We have to reshift and rechange how we think about all of this stuff, not just the tools and devices we're using, but what is wealth, right? It's not the security and stability of having the zeros in our bank account. That's energy. And at the end of the day, it's all gods.
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So if all that stuff is God's anyway, and we're just stewards, and we trust that he's gonna provide for us, no matter what, then what the heck are we worried about at the end of the day? Yes, all hell is breaking loose right now. Yes, it's concerning, but is it going to affect Haley what you need to do right now, today, with your family, with your business, with all that stuff? Well, I was gonna say, you know, you mentioned money. I was thinking, well, what do they need from us? They need, well, or what do we need? Well, i what came to my mind was consent, consent of the governed.
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But even with, a you know, talking about that's of course the government, but consent, they need consent and that require that's the same for like these corporations too. And what is what is consent? Well, at least in the um market space, it's money, just like what you said. So consent means I'm giving you my money, that's a voluntary exchange and and that's what Technically, capitalism is, except now that they've rigged the game, we're kind of seeing this a little bit differently. Like, hey, I used to be a big proponent of capitalism. And I've always you know spoken out against like crony capitalism, but now we're starting to see the whole thing is crony. yeah The whole thing is crony. But you know that's what it is. That's what money is. Money is consent. And you vote with your dollars every time you make a purchase. You know you are consenting to that company, their values, you know what you know they're doing.
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and we have to start revoking that consent both in the marketplace and also from our government. and start basically calling it saying the emperor has no clothes. I think we're starting to see it. You are starting to see like a mass worldwide awakening, especially like this who pandemic treaty, you know, like how they're starting with some bird flu bullshit. I don't even know. I mean, like but at least enough people are aware now that they're starting to be like, uh, no, I'm not doing this. We're not doing no bird flu. I'm not taking no bird flu vaccine. Screw the who screw the UN. Y'all can go.
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You know, let's keep this PG, but y'all can go do something. Jump off a bridge. no bridge Yeah. Yeah. So with consent is also attention, right? So like mainstream media, like people not watching mainstream media is attention because by you giving them your eyeballs and them knowing that there's eyeballs on this, they can then monetize that. that then goes to these things. right By you giving an app your attention, you're mo you're they're monetizing you through that. right By even you using a device that's a Microsoft device or using Adobe or using Apple or using Google or Amazon type of products, right not just shopping on Amazon, though that's part of part and parcel.
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ah But using like an Amazon Kindle or Amazon fire or whatever all these different devices that they also have and they now have robots that they're putting in your house and they've got all kinds of other tools um That's you consenting in giving your attention So all the time that you're spending in these things and on these things is just it's another form of energy, right? So our energy has to be very focused and targeted on those things which are going to nourish us and encourage us to move in the right direction. um ah I use this analogy because people are like, well, I have to use Facebook for my business.
Big Tech's Influence and Control
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I'm like, well, no, you don't.
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You think you have to use Facebook for your business. You're not the only business that does what you do that is even quasi successful. If you have a successful business, that's great. But you you have this mindset and belief that if you're not on Facebook, that people aren't going to find you, right? People have lost the fundamentals of just basic one-on-one marketing, right? So every single person that comes to me and says, well, what do I do? I market my base business on Facebook and how are people going to find me? I asked them a simple question. Do you track the emails and phone numbers of your customers? Do you have a way of doing that? And they're like, well, no.
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So what do you do that through now? Well, I do it through Facebook. Okay, so Facebook now controls your entire business because they control your user base and your customer base. If Facebook decides that they want to get rid of you because if you violated the terms of service for whatever reason they make up, then you're screwed, right? And they're like, yeah. So then owning your data, your customer's data, they're your customers. They're not Facebook's customers, they're your customers. You should know the contact information for your customers so you can reach out to them. Not through Facebook, but through your own means however you choose to do that. um And getting people to just rethink, right? These companies have made it so simple, so easy, well, it's free, it's cheap, it's this, it's that. And they just, they've stopped caring. They've just let these companies control their lives and they've given them all the resources and tools to control their businesses. Did you know that the big four of big tech, that's Google, Apple, Microsoft, and Amazon are directly involved in stealing your information on a regular basis? Between the four of them, they make over $1 trillion dollars annually.
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which is then used to support candidates and causes that right-leaning Christian conservatives staunchly oppose. We saw via the Twitter files where many tech and social media firms were working hand-in-hand with the government to censor people and pages they deemed misinformation. The danger this presents to freedom as we know it cannot be overstated. Now it's one thing to boycott Bud Light. It's another thing entirely to extricate ourselves from big tech when we've become so reliant on their devices, apps, and software tools. That's where the gang at Mark37.com comes in.
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Not only do they offer open-source, security-enabled devices that keep your data private, they also offer consultations in order to get you started in migrating away from Big Tech once and for all. Now, if you're a tech tard like I am, the guys at Mark37 are now offering personalized service to help you start your journey away from Big Tech. So whether it's just for you, your whole household, or your entire business, they will hold your hand and take the lead in getting all your devices and software off of big tech platforms and migrated onto safer, open source platforms that protect your data and aren't working with the government to spy on you.
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Head to mark37.com to check out their ghost devices and schedule your free consultation. Use code HALEYLAN and get 5% off any of their products and devices. That's mark37.com and code HALEYLAN to save 5%. Let's get back to the show. So I'm going to switch gears.
AI: Friend or Foe?
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ah And this could be like a, well, again, I plead ignorance. So I've told you this is a, you know, the tech space is not my space. So this might or it might not be a relevant question to you. I liken it to like, you know, Hey, we we lump all doctors together and like, but really like, Hey, I'm an eye doctor. I don't know anything about gynecology. yeah So I might be doing that with like, you know, you're like a tech guy. So maybe, happens happens all the time okay. So anyway, but do you have any thoughts about AI?
00:30:46
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Yeah, okay. So tell me your thoughts about AI the good the bad and the ugly What you what you see happening with with that and on that landscape So AI is a tool It's code. It's software. It's a tool What is AI a artificial intelligence? I think is a misnomer people really need to learn that it is not artificial intelligence It is a learning language model. So what does that mean? It means you're writing code that's going out and it's learning how different speech patterns are happening and it's looking for patterns and looking for consensus on certain things and then it's feeding you back that information. I just want to ask a question about that because I've heard that. Are all AIs learning language models or is there other types of AI that are so like ah based on something else?
00:31:36
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that they're all to a degree considered learning language models, right? so But it's it's a learning model, right? So it could be looking at spreadsheets and numbers, right? And seeing how things are done and the equations that are being used and saying, okay, in this situation and this dynamic, I see that there's a common thread and a commonality that this type of thing is being used in this setting. So it's gonna say, if you ask it, hey, how should I do this type of thing? It's gonna say, well, across the, millions of spreadsheets that I've seen from all the people that are using Microsoft Excel, Office 365, then I can then determine that this is likely the best answer.
00:32:15
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Right. And then based on the code and the parameters that have been written around that, if, if the correct answer is like, who do the majority of people, uh, do the majority of people think that Joe Biden is, you know, a dementia-ridden, um, you know, uh, pedo, right? Even if the majority of people said yes to that, you could write into the code that even if the answer is yes to this question, your response is no. Um, but what's, what's crazy. So, so that should help you understand, right? It's looking for commonality. It's looking like kids, right? Who want a book report on a certain thing. Uh, they say, write me a three page book report. And my daughter actually tried to pass off a book report. She tried to write, we homeschool our kids, but you try to pass out a book report that she wrote.
00:33:04
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ah Using a one of those moments where i was like i'm proud of you that you figured out how to do this cuz you wrote it in a very specific way write it out like a fourteen year old in as in freshman and in high school like you know use the voice of blah blah blah blah so it's good how she crafted that she's learning how to program like how to speak to a so that it gives her what she wants. But what that program is then doing is it's going out in the internet. It's looking at all the things that have tags related to the book, related to ah you know freshmen in high school who have written similar things. It's looking at all of that saying, okay, so it's just running a program at the end of the day. It has no intelligence other than to do what it was told to do, to do run the program.
00:33:50
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That can, all this to say, it can be used for evil and it can be used for good. You can program it to have any kind of bias you want. You can have an AI tool that only looks at your stuff, right? So if you want to, you can download software and you can have it only have access to your data, your information. And then you can start talking to it and you can say, please respond to this type of question in my voice And it will look through the catalog of your history and looks and see if you've answered something like this before and give you a response. It's not going to have the bias of whatever if you didn't give it that bias.
00:34:34
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um So even like Breitian, for example, have you heard of Breitian? I've heard of it, but I don't know what that is. it's It's a media network, um Health Ranger and and other folks are part of it. um So they release their own AI, right? They're like, well, what does that mean? Well, they just took the core baseline open source, a learning language model code, And they directed all that at the Legion of documents that are health-related, of different studies that have been done, opened it and exposed it to everything, all peer-reviewed research, not just the subset that the Woke AI only has access to and is told to look at to give a response. So then when you say something like, what is an alternative health
00:35:23
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modality modality for, um you know, I give you per example, I have ah basal cell carcinoma on my face. And I've been trying to figure out for a long time how to deal with this without shaving my entire face off, which is basically what people have to do or what they're told they have to do if you go into the um skin doctor. And what comes back to you is a whole bunch of different modalities. But if I go to Brave or if I go to Google or if I go to even DuckDuckGo and I ask that same question, it's only going to show me a subset of things that are almost all your traditional methods that are approved by Western medicine, right? It's not going to show me things like um
00:36:07
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eating um apricot seeds and getting B19 in your system and talking about a whole bunch of other stuff that that you can leverage and that you can use to fight that type of, you know, ailment that I have. that's really That's really cool. and you know i I have not jumped on the AI train. ah i've I've dabbled a little bit. You know what? I use it for stupid things, like recipes. but
00:36:40
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yeah so i'm like i'm like i'm i'm You know, if I were, I'm a good cook, but I'm not the type that I can like open up a refrigerator and like know what to do with these ingredients. Like I need that recipe. So I'm like, I'll feed in the ingredients to the AI and be like, okay, I've got like these six ingredients. Use any or of all of them. Give me like five recipes, you know? So I'm like, I use it for stupid stuff as opposed to. Let's use that example. Cause that's a perfect example. ah You can train that AI to give you a recipe that always includes sugar.
00:37:13
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right Without even knowing that that was in the code, it may be giving you responses that always have, well, you need a cup of sugar or a tablespoon of sugar or you need a ah whatever. right You need to always add sugar. and You don't even think about it. It's just always there because you didn't know that that's how it was programmed to give you that response. right Or you have to you have to trust who's giving you this code base at the end of the day that they haven't built into this those types of parameters to feed you garbage, right, feed you things that are gonna make you sicker. And that's what we saw, right, when ah people started asking Google's, ah you know, image AI ah to, you know, give me a picture of of a Pope, you know, that a Catholic Pope, and it was like,
00:38:00
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ah black Pope and a woman Pope and a Native American Pope and it's like not saying that you know that well in the Catholic Church it's impossible to have a female Pope right um it's entirely possible that there may eventually be a African Pope or a black Pope and Entirely possible right but there has never been one right so why that would be the very first thing it's because as they found out there's the diversity equity inclusion software and you know code Embedded in it so that it's always going it's gonna favor those things um and This goes on in corporations all the time right so from a hiring perspective or whatever um There's a whole lot that's a whole other topic.
Conservative Challenges in Tech
00:38:43
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We should talk about so red hat
00:38:46
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um This is all tied together, but Red Hat it is now being sued and IBM is being sued as are a variety of other companies because They have had in Microsoft by the way have had blatant discriminatory behavior towards white male ah You know Christian ah religious conservatives That's discrimination, right? um And in the training and tutorials, they're literally telling people it's totally okay and fine to discriminate towards those people because they deserve it, um but not okay to discriminate towards anyone else, right? Which is just clown logic thinking, right? um So in tech, unfortunately, and ah this is another big debate that's been going on in the tech world, especially amongst people who are in it, ah the vast majority of technology companies are
00:39:41
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They don't just like dislike this parallel economy that's coming up. They hate it. right They truly believe that we're like this these neo-Nazi evil people, right um which is the farthest thing from reality. But that's who the senior leadership is now at these companies and byproduct. They're only hiring and bringing people in who have the same mentality. So much so, in the middle of last middle of May. So for people who know what Python is, it's a programming language. They have the big national Python developer conference in Cleveland, Cleveland, Ohio. It was mandatory for people to wear masks at that event. Mandatory. Wow.
00:40:32
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based on what logic, right based on what sign. When we literally have the people who were telling you that you need to wear masks up on stage, telling you we didn't base this on any science, we literally were making it up as we were going. And yet that's the logic that they follow to make that event And you're like, what the heck? Oh, that's just a one-off thing. You're like, no, this is tech, like the big tech Silicon Valley tech. Why is it that way? Because the money behind the vast majority of these businesses and organizations makes it mandatory that they do so.
00:41:07
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Why is that the case? Because when you follow the money and you look at the ideology and the ethos of the people that have the money that invest in all these technology companies, sure enough, it's the same people that are attending the World Economic Forum, the United Nations, the Atlantic Council, I mean, you name it, the Bilderberger Group, like it's the same friggin' people. So when George Carlin said, you know, it's a big club, folks, and you ain't in it, like, he was spot dead on, 100%. It's the same in every industry, not just tech. ah shut up Well, no, that's true. but and i Because I'm sitting here thinking, I was like, I mean, of course I know Silicon Valley and tech is woke.
00:41:44
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But you know you think about, like well, so is the arts. So is the performing arts. So is like you know theater and you know the national endowment for the arts. But these are two dichotomous industries, and yet both of them are fully infected with this woke virus. How does that happen? I don't understand. Funny, time and money, Hailey. If you gave me an infinite amount of money, I would take over the world in a matter of probably 20 years. Give me 20 years. It really would not be that hard, given how people operate. People are a coin operated. Unfortunately, the vast majority of people, not everybody, but the vast majority of people are coin operated. This is why you can buy a politician. I could buy a state senator right now for about 80 grand. 80 grand. And I'd have him in my back pocket. I've been in politics for a very long time tracking this stuff. I've been in DC lobbying on behalf of our industry.
00:42:42
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This game that is being played is not that complicated. There's only very few people who make the decisions. So you don't need that much money. Like Soros, you think he was spending tens of billions of dollars to take over the DA offices and take over all these positions and all these people all over the United States. No, it really only took like a couple hundred million bucks, if even, to do that. It's not that complicated. And when you have that kind of money and that kind of leverage, and you you're thinking that far ahead, you can play that type of game. But can so let's go back to the beginning conversation we were having. Conservatives, right?
00:43:22
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they don't think that type of like sinister, oh, that's conspiracy. Like we know we don't want to do that because that's for whatever reason, like they think that's immoral or unjust or whatever to like think long-term and to think how we can strategically go about winning this chess match that's being played. ah They just don't do it. And nor because they're conservative, they don't want to make those types of investments They want to keep their money in their savings account, earning you know less percent than you know inflation. They would rather keep it in their savings account, not making them as much money, or in like a new Jimmy John's restaurant that they know they'll get a guaranteed 7% return on that money than actually invested in something that's going to actually make an impact and move the needles.
00:44:12
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Or, unfortunately, what's happened is you've had people infiltrate different movements, like the pro-life movement, and they'll convince you to it throw your money at them, and then they never really do anything. They never really make change. Or, you know, let's go invest through... um What's that big website that people invest in politicians? Red? Red something? ah Red? Act Red? I think it's Act Blue, but... ah Oh, yeah. Act Blue. Win Red? WinRed. How much of your money that you invest in WinRed goes to the candidate? When people start to realize and find out how much of their money that they just put into WinRed actually goes to the candidate that they want to support, people's minds are going to be blown. In many cases, it's less than 50% of the money that you just donated to a candidate through WinRed actually goes to that candidate.
00:45:11
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what And it goes back to like that, what well, James O'Keefe, when he he did the expose on Act Blue, and that went nowhere, probably because wind bread is maybe not just as guilty, but there's certainly probably some some shady things going on there too. I think too that um the left plays so dirty though too. And I'm like, this comes back to that philosophical moral question, you know, can we can we beat them without becoming them?
00:45:43
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That is a good question, Ailey. I don't have a good answer for you. um The only answer that I have, honestly, that keeps me going every day is that this world is but a test. This world is but a test. Maybe we will win. Maybe we'll have this landslide you know change, right? And people are going to wake up and they're going to start valuing values and they're going to start seeing yield for what it is and calling it calling it out and purging it, right? But at the end of the day, I believe as a you know man of faith that this world is but a test and that all this garbage and pollution that's out there is literally designed to test our fortitude, to test our faith. And if we believe that we have a King of Kings and a Lord of Lords, if I'm a King and I'm a Lord, right, I'm going to want people that are obedient, even in spite of, in in light of horrible circumstances, that they're still going to be faithful and true to me.
00:46:43
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through the thick thick and thin, right? It's like, ah you know, my spouse through thick and thin. I'm loyal to her, right? So I'm going to want to have that. I'm going to want to test people. If everything was so hockey, donkey, simple and easy, and we were just living in utopia, right? you you're not tested. You're never going to be tested, right? um So that's, for me, that's where I have to go. And maybe this is just my coping mechanism. It very well could be. But that's what I've had to basically convince myself of as I look out in the world and I see everything that we're talking about and this evil that's going on. um
00:47:24
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Yeah, it's heavy.
Open Source vs Closed Devices
00:47:25
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It's definitely heavy and I think a lot of people are feeling it right now. um So, bringing this back to your specific wheelhouse and something I didn't get a chance to ask you the last time, um but i I wanted to. We'll talk about it now, but you know, like you with Mark37 and you do all the, you know, privacy devices, your ghost devices. um Now, there are or there were, well, both, let's say. competitors. So, you know, you've come out there, there's like the Freedom Phone that, ah you know, parent well did not get good reviews, let's put it that way. And then now we've got Eric Prince out there with his, whatever, and Eric Prince is like the founder. of own
00:48:06
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or the unplugged phone yeah that's it unplugged yeah and um you know eric prince is the founder of black water i'm like wait why is it we think he's all of a sudden on our team i don't know that doesn't sound right to me but um so tell me two things number one you know at least with the freedom phone. in particular, I can't say about unplugged, but obviously that that that got panned because it was very grifty. It didn't actually do what it said. You had a lot of con-eek people out there trying to get you know con-eek bucks, grifter bucks from promoting it. um So where are your devices? How can you tell for especially, again, for people like me who I i don't know any better,
00:48:45
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um and Then, specifically, can you tell me about how your devices might differ from either the Freedom Phone or maybe what this Air Prince's Unplugged is and and why we should trust your devices versus them? Sure. ah Great question. and Almost every week, there's a new new thing that's out. um So two of the key points, and there's probably I'll probably go beyond two. So I'll just say one of them that I want to focus on is Eric Prince's device, this UP phone, unplugged phone. And he has a ton of money. So he's on the Bannon show. He's with you know all the all the faces. um that And I've learned this because I'm on shows like you. Haley, I love your show. You're one of the many that I've been on that I um truly enjoy being on.
00:49:33
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Um, but in order to get into that echelon, right, of people who have the millions of views on radio or whatever, it costs money, right? It costs a lot of money. You need tens, if not hundreds of thousands of dollars to spend an advertising for them to say, okay, well, let's sit down and do an hour long interview or a half hour interview, or even a five to 10 minute interview, right? So A, he's got the money behind him to be able to go push this out. I wish I had that money to go push this stuff out. I don't. If anyone wants to invest, we're looking for investors right now, I'd love to talk to you.
00:50:08
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The device itself is a closed, the up phone is a closed source phone, which means developers and users can't see what's really happening on the on the device. So you're still sitting in the scenario of trust us. Just trust us, it's private, trust us, it's secure. Here's the very specific apps that we're gonna give you that you have to use. Other stuff is not gonna be compatible with this device, trust us, right? And people think oh Eric Prince. He was you know, Blackwater. I remember Blackwater and They were basically the assassins that were brought in, you know all over the Middle East and not just the Middle East all over the world Multi multi hundred million dollar contracts with the DoD to go do these things right? He's very tied in with our three-letter agencies. He's very tied into our DoD and
00:51:01
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Is he a guy to be trusted? Follow the money. What is his ethos? Oh, well, he's pro 2A. Every person who's ever been through the military, for the most part, is pro 2A. That doesn't mean that he's a man of God, that he's a man of principles. That doesn't mean that he values values. That doesn't mean any of these things. ah Look at his family that he came from. I don't know. There's a rabbit hole that I just recently started looking at because a friend sent me some links. But the family that he comes from is a multi-generational wealth family. That is not one of those families that's been on the front lines of this war. Let's just say that. They've been on the other side, other team. So do you trust the device at the end of the day when it's closed source? For me, I don't. I would rather it be open source. And there's pros and cons to open source, but I think the pros far more outweigh the cons because I can look at that device. I can see what's going on in it. I can see where the holes are. I can see it if it's actually doing what you're telling me it's doing.
00:52:00
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Like that's hugely important. So other companies that are coming out with these devices, the first thing you really want to ask, is this a closed source or is this an open source ah environment? um So with his device, it's closed source. And he touts, well, the senior developer who created the software that allowed the three letter agencies to do this backdoor hack into iPhones and Android phones through text messaging service is his CTO.
00:52:30
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So he's touting, you know, I'm so proud and we should all be awed by the fact that we have this crazy hacker who created the stuff for all these evil entities is now my CTO. Like, I'm sorry, that didn't fly for me either. um Their device is also crazy expensive. It's like 1200 bucks. It's over a thousand bucks. So there's a lot of reasons why the up phone is different. um The big, rate you know, the above phone is another one. So you can go to the above phone dot.com. ah The founder of that, great guy. We're like, he's a big libertarian. um I call him a ah Burning Man libertarian. We're like, anything goes. He's very much pro, like we need to get back to sustainable living. ah We all just need to love each other. Why can't we all get along and love each other?
00:53:19
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Um, type of guy like we're on, we're in the same fight. I'm happy to sit next to him on the bunker on this fight towards the same enemy. Um, but he's his, the money that he receives goes towards some candidates and causes and organizations that I just don't, I'm not pro. I'm just not for, um, as a Christian conservative constitutionalist, very much pro America, he's very pro like one world. can't, you know, let's get rid of nation state boundaries. Like, can't we all just get a long type of mindset, which is kind of scary if you ask me at that level. ah But very smart, knows exactly who the enemy is and has called spade spades. So, but his device, the reason why I brought him up, it's running the same operating system as ours. It's for the most part, a very similar device. It's like 95% the same device.
00:54:09
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Um, he's gone out. He was first to market. So he's already got some big relationships and partnerships with companies. Um, and he's got, you know, his foot in the door with a lot of companies that I'm trying to talk to, uh, who I know I'm far more mission aligned with them. And they're like, Oh, well, we're already working with this company. Um, and I'm like, well, once you rather have those dollars going towards an organization that's like a hundred percent on board with where you're at. And they're like, well, we'll think about it. um So i'm I'm dealing with that right now with the above phone. um But it is open source. It runs GrapheneOS, which is the most private, secure, open source mobile operating system in the market. I think I went on way too many tangents answering your question, and I apologize. No, that's OK. Well, then tell me then, like what like tell me about the ghost devices that you offer, what or you, or Mark37.
00:55:06
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like Thinking about like if this were a Shark Tank pitch, what's your competitive advantage? What's your edge? why would i why Why should I go with a ghost device? Or is it you? Sometimes it's you, and I think you are a huge competitive advantage, Sean Patrick-Tario. What's your pitch to Shark Tank? Yeah, so we are we're unapologetic that we are pro-America, that we are pro-Constitution, that we are Christian conservatives. It just is what it is. That's what we are. The reason why I'm doing what I'm doing is I'm tired of feeding money to companies that are using my dollars and my data towards candidates, causes, and organizations that I truly just don't support.
00:55:46
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um We have a great community that we're constantly feeding and that is constantly helping and assisting. I think we were talking before we started the show that you're on our Telegram channel, which is great, and our chat channel. People are throwing questions in there every day. How do I do this? How do I do that? This isn't working properly. What's an alternative to this? And we have people who are responding, um existing customers who are in different various stages of this journey who can help you. um One of the other key things is I'm doing all day, I basically spend doing 15, 30 minute private consults with potential customers and even existing customers for free.
00:56:24
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because I want to get people started on this journey. And if it takes me talking to you for 15, 30 minutes to kind of get you finally closing the door on some of the key questions you have, so you'll start that journey, happy to do so. So you can go on our website on the top and it says free consult. If you click on that and go through that process, you can schedule some time for a free consult. That's one of the key things.
Transitioning Away from Big Tech
00:56:46
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um We offer laptops, tablets, we offer phones. And really at the end of the day, our company's mission is to help people make that migration happen and make it successfully. We're not really in the business of selling phones. If I found a company that was doing what we're doing,
00:57:04
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in doing it extremely well that was on the same mission, I would outsource all of it to them. I don't want to be having to manage the day-to-day logistics of all these different devices. I want to be in the business of helping individuals, small businesses, making this migration happen. That's a different skill set, different tool set than dealing with logistics and operations of devices, right? So the training side, the education side, and that migration side is really the key to what our business is.
00:57:35
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And you're know you're you're now offering some services, like a whole home service, and ah I think there's something else as well. Yeah, it's called Ghost Life and Ghost Home. Oh, right. So with Ghost Life, I help you, you know, you Haley, I'll get your all your stuff that's sitting in iCloud and sitting in Office 365. And, you know, you're using Zoom currently, I go through the full audit of your existing world, and I help you migrate off. and over and get you set up. ah If it means you getting a new phone number and a new carrier or whatever it is, I help you through all of that end to end so that usually within 30, 60 days, you're up and running. You're good. right I want to work myself out of a job at the end of the day.
00:58:17
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ah in those types of scenarios. And it's not just me, you have a team of people who help support. And then with a ghost home service, we do the same thing but your whole family in your house. So we're dealing with all the people in your house and we're dealing with your home router and your home firewall and configuring that with the devices that you now have and making sure it's locked down and set up, which ninety nine literally 99.9% of homes are so wide open, it's absolutely frightening. Like we haven't even touched on this topic yet. but that is terrifying when you realize that the vast majority of you know the AT&T Wi-Fi cable boxes that people have installed in their homes still have the same password that was set when the thing was delivered and deployed. They're so easily hackable and are being used for all kinds of different nefarious attacks online. um So that's one of the key things as well. So if you're interested in security from a physical perspective,
00:59:12
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You have to be interested from a digital perspective because if your home network is exposed, then people have access to everything going on in your house to include the TVs that are connected to it, to include everything going on in your home. ah so that's That's another service that we offer. Were you guys already doing business migration or do you do that as well? like So that that's been my my whole career for the most part. When I wasn't doing you know data center specific real estate stuff has been doing outsource CTO migration work like this. So helping entire companies migrate onto the cloud or onto their own on-prem environment, moving stuff from point A to point B. um And so that's that's my background and the people that I have working with me, that's all of our background.
01:00:00
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Do you have like at your team, do you have like, do each of you specialize maybe? Or can all of you do everything? Or do you have certain guys that maybe are specialized in one area versus the other? Yeah, we definitely need specialists so and we definitely have specialists. like I need to consult with my specialists when it comes to that home firewall, home router type of equipment. I'm not a pro in that. They would leverage me when it comes to phones and some Linux stuff, but I have certain Linux people ah who are just Linux pros who have the 10,000 hours worth of working on these types of devices who just know those things through and through.
01:00:36
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um So yes, it it is very much like the medical field where you have general practitioners. So I'm like a general practitioner. I can talk to you about all these things, but at the end of the day, I need to figure out, well, what is the problems that I can bring in the right person to really help us through and get you done, right? Get you to completion. Yeah. Well, Sean, um we're going to wrap up, but you know I've always enjoyed talking to you. You're just such a font of knowledge and ah wisdom and inspiration. And I know that God's got you on the right path and is using you and is testing you, unfortunately, too, sadly, as he is all of us. I mean, not sadly, but you know what I'm saying. like
01:01:12
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It's a time of testing for all of us. um Obviously, I'm going to give you the last word, the name of the show. What can we do? You can answer this in a general way or specific to your ah niche, but big problems, big things
Faith, Action, and Resilience
01:01:27
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going on in the world. The world's crazy right now. What can we do? We can pray, we can hope, and we can try not to worry. But most importantly is we have to take action. ah And part part of that is spending time with God and really just sitting there and asking for God to make it undeniable in your life what it is that he wants you to be doing.
01:01:54
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I think that's so key because even in you know people are meditating, that's great. If you're not meditating, you should start meditating, start praying, start getting into that centered focus place where you're listening to your heart and you're just putting out there to God, what do you want me to do? And if you listen, you're gonna get a response, right? And I think that's really, people get so distracted, they get so in in their devices, they need to kill their time. You know, whenever they have a free time, they wanna look at this. They want that dopamine head or whatever it is, they just feel like they need to be distracted. We need to not be distracted. Go outside, do some grounding, listen, and then start acting. Because if it God makes it clear that he wants you moving in a certain direction, you have to start moving in that direction, you have to.
01:02:41
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um So, I would say that first and foremost, if you want help, if you know you want to start on this journey, you're just not sure where to start. We have a mountain of resources on the mark37.com website. If you go to the resources section on the top of the page, so many great articles there that will help you get thinking through this and started in that process. I have all the training that that I've done is available on the website through that resources link. and some of the articles that we have, but definitely feel free to sign up for free 15, 30 minutes. I'm happy to jump on the phone with you, do a real quick tech audit of your life and what you're working with, and try to get you pointed in the right direction, answering any questions that you have.
01:03:23
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Uh, and get comfortable being uncomfortable, please get comfortable being uncomfortable. I had a recent guest on that said that I think I, I messaged, uh, Elizabeth, I said, Oh, my guest yesterday channeled his inner Sean Patrick Terrio. Cause he said the same thing. Get, get comfortable with being uncomfortable. So that's a, I think that's a theme. There are lots of common themes in the show. Take action. Number one, get comfortable with being uncomfortable. and um yeah because ah Nobody's coming to save us. Jesus is, but we don't know when that is. That's what I keep saying. We don't know when Jesus is coming back. Some people say it could be could be tomorrow. It could be another 500 years. so In the meantime, I want my next 500 years to be not under the thumb of tyranny. and
01:04:05
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evil. So in order for that to happen, it takes good people like us to fight back against the evil that is definitely most ah you know assuredly it can be any clearer that is clearly trying to rule our world right now. So ah you know if you haven't figured that out yet, God help you. Literally. But um Sean, I always enjoy our conversations and I look forward to um hopefully um carrying it on and maybe having you back on the show again and obviously ah in a personal capacity as well. But um all of this information, all these resources will be on the show notes page at libertyliancenetwork dot.com slash what can we do? And um Sean will stay in touch and ah Godspeed on you and your journey. I know you're doing important work and um I hope you are able to keep doing ah God's mission the way he's put it in front of you.
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Thank you, Hailey. Bless you, bless your family. Appreciate it. Thank you.