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Royal Rumble 1989 Watchalong
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Time to sit down and pull up the 1989 Royal Rumble on Peacock and look at a bunch of blonde men with the boys! Even while we watch Big John Studd and Hulk Hogan we find plenty of time to talk about Jimmy Lloyd and penis cocaine.
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Introduction and Personal Changes
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined at Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me as always, Chris makes a Jimmy facts. I forgot your names. I forgot your names. It's been a long long since you saw facts. Yeah. I've shaved and then shaved my beard and then grown a new one since the last we've spoken.
00:01:00
Speaker
I looked over at the box of you and I was expecting to look at gringo loco. And I was like, where the fuck are the dreads? Who's this guy? Last week on the showbacks, we said you were you you were going to only come back this week if you'd finally finished looking at the Appalachian schedule. So we're assuming you're ready. You've downloaded it into your brain and you thought as much about it as you need to.
Wrestling Schedules and Drinking Habits
00:01:21
Speaker
I mean, I don't think that's possible to think about it as much as I really need to. Right. My therapist disagrees. But I personally think who needs sleep when you can think about where you might see a Beastman war games. It's true. I will say I'm I'm drinking like Jon Moxley tonight, guys. I'm I've got a non-alcoholic beer.
00:01:44
Speaker
So I wanted to taste the beer, but I just can't get drunk on a Wednesday right now. And I just finished up John Moxley's favorite flavor of Spin Drift, which is, of course, blood orange. Now, do you have any ice cream? Do you have any ice cream that you can leave the desiccated ice cream bowl in the bed that you and your wife share?
00:02:04
Speaker
I'll work on that later. As soon as we're done, I'll go straight upstairs to bed and just eat some ice cream next to my wife. By the way, can you think of a worse thing, like a worse thing to leave on a dish in bed than ice cream? Because you can't get all of it. There's going to be ice cream residue, and it's just so sticky and gross. Like I, for the life of me, cannot think of a worse food to possibly leave in bed than ice cream.
00:02:32
Speaker
I think you gotta eat from the carton in bed if you're doing it at all. I'm pretty sure Rene specified bowls though. Of course. I think the carton would be worse than a bowl though. It seems like the carton has more potential to be leaky than a dish.
00:02:49
Speaker
Yeah, and it gives you a false sense of security when you put that, cause like, I'm just thinking about on those rare occasions that you eat half of the little carton and then you put the lid in, you always get slimed when you put the lid back on, which is why you shouldn't try listeners. Really? John Moxley is just sticky, like a toddler all the time. Bleeding without knowing why.
Sports Talk and Drink Obsessions
00:03:13
Speaker
And by the way, the New York Knicks have officially won a playoff series for the first time in a decade.
00:03:19
Speaker
That's what about the Jets?
00:03:21
Speaker
They got a new quarterback. I saw that he did some ayahuasca in a dark room and decided he should be your quarterback. So I'm not a Jets fan, actually. He's not our quarterback. Yeah, we're Giants people. But it's funny, I was talking to somebody from work and we talked about how this is related to the Knicks. The Knicks for basically my entire adult life and some of my pre-adult life have always basically just been like, who can we get that's washed up?
00:03:51
Speaker
and terrible, but they're a big name. And they would always get that guy, would always fuck over their style cap, and they always sucked. They just have sucked forever. Then something happened. I'm guessing their owner has just been in a coma. And they stopped doing that a couple years ago. And now, shockingly, they're actually getting good. And the Jets have kind of been like, hold my beer, we're gonna take that mantle now.
00:04:16
Speaker
We're going to take, hey, that quarterback, who everyone's name, he knows, but kind of sucks last year when all of his old receivers got better with other quarterbacks and he's 38, which is 170 in football years. That's our guy. That's the guy we need. He's going to be, he's going to be the world heavyweight champion too, though. He's, he's busy. He's, he is fighting Goldberg in Saudi Arabia. Yeah.
00:04:44
Speaker
I think he's a, isn't he a fan? He's a wrestling fan, right? Rogers? Uh, I think so. I, that sounds familiar. I can't, I don't have recall, but that, that does sound right. I feel like he's shown up at a raw or something like that in the crowd. Once again, another decision that came after doing ayahuasca in a dark room. He's like, I need to fight Bill Goldberg in a foreign country. Yes.
00:05:14
Speaker
this is what this is the vision um not to you know we've talked about football a fair amount and i uh let's switch over to basketball which you were talking about prior i am sad about the drink i'm drinking it is a body armor mamba forever flavored
00:05:31
Speaker
Oh, yeah. San emoji. It's strawberry grape, does it say? Yeah. You know, Kobe Bryant's favorite flavors mixed together. Um, I don't know if that's true, but what I'm sad about is that I'm not drinking a prime. So last week facts on the show, I drank a prime. It was ice pop flavored and I, I said that kind of a similar thing early on.
00:05:56
Speaker
And within two minutes regret what I said because it was the most delicious drink I've ever had. And I shit you not, I spent the last seven days thinking about that drink.
00:06:06
Speaker
And we found out from our friend Matt that according to his son, ice pop is the most desired flavor. So I went to the grocery store apparently on a restock day. I have been to the grocery store three times since. There is zero primes. I have not been able to purchase another prime because they are gone. It's like right up there with the rocks tequila.
00:06:30
Speaker
And this is like heroin now, like I had a taste, I want more, and I don't know where to get it. Because I just found the heroin on the ground. And it's unfortunate, because we found out last week that Dax Harwood's podcast was ending, which meant we were moving up one in the ranking world, and we figured we'd step into a little bit of what Dax has been doing.
00:06:55
Speaker
And instead of doing a tequila of the week, we do a prime of the week. But we can't do that because no one because Garrett can't find a prime. So I'm going to I'm I'm going to do my best to find some prime for next week, guys. Yeah. Can we find out more about like maybe the demographics of Prime and see where it maybe doesn't sell as well? I mean, such a place probably just doesn't exist. It's no, no. Hottest YouTuber on the planet.
00:07:21
Speaker
So before we get going with what we're doing this week, I have to ask, um, what's the, what's the dumbest injury you've ever had? Just me. Yeah. Either of you, it doesn't have to be a long story. You can just test. I once had to get nine staples in the back of my head for falling into some stairs.
Humorous Injury Stories
00:07:44
Speaker
Now I want to make sure you unpack that.
00:07:48
Speaker
I didn't say falling down any stairs. Into. I fell into stairs. Are you sure that Matt Justice didn't crack your head with a chair? I definitely was concussed from it. But I was literally, I was in college and I was holding a door in my dorm. I was like holding it shut to be a dick so that my friends couldn't get in. And then I let go. And it turns out when three
00:08:17
Speaker
19 year olds are pushing on a door. You're holding clothes and you let go. You go flying. And yeah, fun, fun fact was the Friday of parents weekend didn't get out of the emergency room to about 4am. My dad picked me up at seven, wore myself a hat.
00:08:39
Speaker
made it most of the way through the day, was so tired, we finally got to run dinnertime. My dad's like, all right, now let's pick up some tickets for the football game and do this. And I'm like, Dad, I got to I got to tell you something, because I really just need to go back to my room and go to sleep right now. What about you, Chris? So it wasn't that bad an injury that involves no staples. It just involves a black eye.
00:09:08
Speaker
Um, but when I was, uh, like eight, I have a, uh, my sister is, is five years younger than me. She was working on potty training. I, uh, turned out the light to go upstairs in my house, tripped over my mom's pocketbook and landed face first on my sister's wooden training toilet and gave myself a black eye. It was like I'd been given like a drop toehold. That was,
00:09:38
Speaker
That should be, by the way, something we should get a wrestler to use that as a prop and match. It's like a training toy that does seem like it would be a good weapon for somebody from DDT or something.
00:09:49
Speaker
Now, it's interesting because I've used that in extremely serious wrestling as the ultimate father. I've used a training potty. But the thing about them nowadays is that they're plastic, not nearly as important. This was like a wood. And like I landed on a piece of wood that was covered in your thing to shit. And now you would just explode through it.
00:10:09
Speaker
Right. And not because it was the early 90s. It's just your father is a very rustic mountain man. And you guys were raised up in the mountains. The mountains of Queens, New York. The mountains of Queens, New York. He made that that little training potty with his own bare hands. Did the same thing with the condoms. That's why you have a look. He thought it would hold up, but.
00:10:41
Speaker
Definitely not worth the splinters in retrospect. Ineffective and painful. I am definitely going to think that the next time I interface with your father or your mother, quite frankly. Can't wait. I'll play him this. I'll play him this. Very tough game. Yeah. They're just downloaders. They're not listeners. Well, prior mine was I still have a scar from a pop tart.
00:11:11
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't know that a toaster was turned up to 10 I was in the fifth grade Popped out of the toaster flipped it up in the air and landed icing down but now here is Here's here's this this guy. Okay, so we're looking at a like a brace around your your right wrist and hand Looks like a carpal tunnel brace, but I'm guessing it's not that I
00:11:34
Speaker
Well, so I have either sprained or broken my wrist, taking the trash out. Nice. I was wheeling the trash can up the hill to my driveway, hit a pothole with the wheel, and the trash can came to an immediate stop. And I'm gonna use some technical terms here. You know this little bone on the side of your wrist? Oh yeah, the doodad.
00:11:58
Speaker
Yeah, that's called your side guy. I smashed my side guy into that. It shot a pain up to my elbow and my hand and arm went numb for three minutes. This was two weeks ago and I thought it'll be fine. As we do.
00:12:13
Speaker
Two weeks later, here we are. It hurts very bad as I've been holding a 21 pound chongus baby on top of it for the better part of that two weeks. And yeah, here's this guy. I think the problem is you didn't have Jimmy Lloyd to come help. That was my understanding from listening from the GCW show this weekend. Jimmy Lloyd's there. If someone gets hurt, he's the nurse. So you didn't have a Jimmy Lloyd nursing you and you're not back and healthy.
00:12:40
Speaker
Who would have known that Jimmy Lloyd would eventually become Sumi Sakai's little guy? He's that too, yes. Facts, did you watch any of GCW over the weekend? I did not. Do you think of Jimmy Lloyd as a sexual being? No, no, no, no. I think of him as Bobby Dee's little baby boy.
00:13:09
Speaker
Do you think Jimmy Lloyd has to be single, right? Because in pro wrestling, it seems like he's got himself a girlfriend. So whenever I would see him around and he would be out in the smoking area, just chain smoking cigarettes at All Out or any AEW show that GCW is also in town, he's always with like a posse, which always features several like groupie-ish women.
00:13:35
Speaker
But it doesn't seem like any of them are ever talking with him, or he is ever talking with any of them. It's kind of like they're all smoking their cigarettes in their black t-shirts, but everyone else is together, and Jimmy's just by himself. That's...
00:13:59
Speaker
Sounds about right. I feel like we should write him a a tender bio. I think we could we could bring him some more some more viewers. How do you how do you gussy up a Jimmy Lloyd? Like what how could you what would you put with his photograph other than worked with Robert De Niro, which is what gets all the 20 year olds going again. EMT right. Apparently he popped me to his shoulder back into place.
00:14:25
Speaker
You told me he tried. He tried. Well, that's that's that's all Joey Janela reported. Right. Was that for those who didn't see the GCW show this weekend, Miedo Extremo popped his shoulder out at the end of their the missuso's match on the Orlando show. And on commentary, Joey Janela said, oh, yeah, you know, Miedo popped his shoulder out. Jimmy Lloyd's trying to pop it back in right now.
00:14:50
Speaker
trying is the key word. Jimmy Lloyd has tried to give the Heimlich to several people who are now dead. Including a couple that weren't choking on anything, he gave the Heimlich and died of choking.
00:15:07
Speaker
What happened I I don't know I was just in a restaurant and suddenly I was being bear hugged by this little boy I'm just seemed like a different boy. I'm just imagining like I saw you know just some some like
00:15:22
Speaker
Because again, how old's Chibi Lloyd to be established? 25. 25. Jesus Christ. So I'm trying to imagine a 25-year-old... I'm trying to think about some of the girls in my office that are probably 25. A young professional lady, she works real hard, so she has to use the apps to try to meet somebody.
00:15:42
Speaker
And, you know, she's got a tight ponytail pulled back, maybe a pair of glasses. We're in kind of a smart, what she were to work, something that says, you know, I'm a powerful woman in the office.
00:15:54
Speaker
And then she just gets to, you know, the restaurant and is like, Oh, I'm, I'm here to meet somebody. And they're like, Oh yes, this way. And I'm just a picturing Jimmy Lloyd with the black t-shirt with the ripped sleeves, just the hair flowing down. I'm picturing him picking his nose probably. And just like, what does she think? She's like, this is the guy that worked with Bobby D.
00:16:23
Speaker
She thinks that they're seating her with the bus boy. And the other thing is that date, the level of bad that date is really depends on if Lloyd's teamed with Shane Mercer and Shane's made him wash his shorts. Which facts, I think you missed that bit by not listening to last week's show. I downloaded minutes before this episode.
00:16:55
Speaker
So we got those numbers. Downloads. What's really important here is a download. I got to keep New Jersey hanging with Spain in the download. But no, also. So it's the other thing that in the same show this week, Jimmy helped Sumi Sakai against Pero. Sure. And it was a beautiful love story of sorts, I think. So maybe Jimmy's not single anymore.
00:17:24
Speaker
with Sumi, not with Paro. Or is it with? Paro would have. Is there kind of like an pansexual thing going on with Jimmy
Jimmy Lloyd's Life and Relationships
00:17:33
Speaker
Lloyd? Because that's the thing is Jimmy Lloyd is either asexual or pansexual and just the most sexual being. I think that. I think he'd like to be the most sexual being, but is in.
00:17:51
Speaker
He's asexual, but he's not by choice. Sure. I think for the Tinder picture, you gotta at least get a better picture. I think you pull the hair back, you comb the beard. You put a decent shirt on him. It's a little bit like when...
00:18:06
Speaker
Like anyone would join the York foundation, you know, and they'd become the evil version of themselves. I think that's what you'd need. That's exactly what I was thinking. I was like, we need to hire the York foundation person. Like who in like production in Atlanta in like 1992 was maybe it was Terry, right? I think it was Terry was in like a makeup lady before she was a makeup lady. And that was like her first on air role. Right. Was, was through the York foundation.
00:18:31
Speaker
Yeah, so maybe we just need Terry Runnels to meet Jimmy Lloyd. Maybe, and maybe, maybe you think she's getting him ready, and then she looks at him, she takes the glasses off, and she's like, you know, Jimmy, you're beautiful. Maybe that's the love story of Jimmy Lloyd's life, is him and Terry Runnels. Could be, could be. Well, do we get into what we're doing this week? Let's get into it, let's talk about that.
00:19:02
Speaker
Well, you mentioned it last week, right, Garrett? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think we mentioned at the end of the show that we were going to do a watch along with the 89 Royal Rumble at the request of Nick O, and I say Nick O because I don't know how to say your last name. Was it Opelowski? Is that how you're looking at me? Like, I don't know. You had it written in front of you. I don't have it in front of me now. Nick O. Nick O.
00:19:33
Speaker
Yeah, so we are, and for those who'd like to do this along with us, we are at 123, 34 of the Royal Rumble 1989. I am frozen on a lady in a red shirt, glasses, and a blazer holding up what appears to be a Mean Gene action figure. And as we've been sort of setting up for this, I've been frozen in this so long that I think I'm falling in love with her. I think that she is beautiful.
00:20:02
Speaker
And honestly, I think you're gonna have to fight me for her. Well, guys, let's just, you know, we are all married. I think we need to find this lady and see if she'd be interested in Jimmy Lloyd. She's probably what? She's no more than 65 at this point. Maybe she's in her late 50s. But I mean, she already lost Mean Jean.
00:20:32
Speaker
We need to get her something to lift her day, be a silver lining on the cloud that is her life. All I know is that Chris is gonna come at her with that wooden condom and it's gonna scare her away to me. And by the way, for anyone that has opened Peacock and is trying to, they definitely still have several more minutes of commercials. We haven't hit play yet, don't worry, you haven't missed it.
00:20:59
Speaker
Now, of course, as everyone knows, this is season two, episode one of the Royal Rumble, as everyone refers to it. One of the better seasons. I really think it didn't catch its stride until season three, but I got such a good sense for the characters that, you know, it was better than season one. I'm that odd bird that I think the Royal Rumble is like the wire. Most people think season two was a down one, but it's actually my favorite.
00:21:28
Speaker
Alright guys, so we're gonna count down. We're gonna go three, two, one, go. Hit play. And let's watch some fucking wrestling. Alright, three, two, one, play. I miss this lady already. The lady next to her is kind of foxy too. Yeah, and also very excited about the wrestling.
00:21:50
Speaker
Thank where are they now for real like huge? Where is this? What what city is this in? I don't know this off the top of my head said I've Houston I think yeah, that's pretty sure that's right. It's just I sometimes like when I watch from this era like I guess it gets kind of between things that like Maybe it's the lighting because that looks like a bigger I was gonna say it looked like a smaller room than I would have thought but then when they pulled back I guess also the Royal Rumble wasn't really established yet. I
00:22:18
Speaker
It's an arena though, I think it's the summit. Yeah, it's really funny when you get these wide shots, how different the crowd looks from now, so much more colorful. I feel like a wrestling show now is just a sea of black t-shirts. Yeah, ethnicity wise, it's far more colorful and diverse, but yeah, in terms of attire, sure. Okay, so is this the one that starts with Axe and Smash?
00:22:44
Speaker
Indeed it is. Axe is number one. I do like that they really enforced, they open right by enforcing it. It's every man for himself. And they make it real simple because they put Axe and Smash in there together and they're like, well, guess it's time to punch each other. Sorry, spoilers for those who haven't seen it yet or watching it for the first time. He had a perfect piece of glitter right on his butthole. Yeah, I noticed that as well.
00:23:11
Speaker
And this is, uh, viewers definitely before they were testing for steroids. Would you just look at acts and how big his arms are? It's like, yep. I'm just really processing how glittery he is. Yeah. Where did that come from? Was there a promo beforehand or no, no, almost no glitter on smash. Actually no glitter. I'm not seeing much. If that's the only way you can tell him apart. Yeah. That's the refs needed that to see when both feet hit the floor.
00:23:42
Speaker
Axe is just hanging out with like, uh, Stephanie. I don't know how old Stephanie was. She's like, you got to go glitter. Axe. She was like three. Yeah, probably. Right. He really doesn't look like the kind of dude that would just bedazzle himself. That was not his idea. I also remember thinking as a kid that smash was the smaller one, but they really honestly are the exact same size.
Wrestling Legends and Storylines
00:24:12
Speaker
Two really kind of underrated workers, because I mean, the characters, you know, weren't having like, they weren't having like classic matches in the like five star wrestling sense, but they're really good. Both of them in their role. I love the professional buried or so. Mm. Great era. Underrated W. C. W. Saturday night. And the golfer. That was the golfer, right? The professional. Yeah. Or the pro. Maybe that would make more sense. The pro.
00:24:41
Speaker
Even Repo Man is kind of like a, so he gets weirdly intense about Repo Man. If you ever go watch those vignettes again. Who's the golfer? It was one of his, so when they did a thing like late era, late-ish, mid-late UCW, where they basically said, Saturday night has its own continuity. And like the TV title was its world title, but it wasn't like raw on SmackDown of the day. It was like, this is Z tier.
00:25:10
Speaker
And that was his character that was only ever on Saturday night. And I don't believe ever appeared on on Thunder or Nitro was was a golfing character. But he had like the little hat with the poofy ball and it came with a putter or something. He did all of those things. Yes. Man, I could have written for that guy. You get him. I yeah. I wonder how Kofi is not going to get eliminated in this one.
00:25:42
Speaker
It does feel like he's been doing that forever. It's hard to remember a time where that wasn't happening. I'm just imagining there's going to be like a one year old kid that just does like a backflip off the ring curtain. Young Kofi. OK, OK, here comes some some some big money. I do definitely do not recall Andre the Giant being the third entry in this thing.
00:26:08
Speaker
How many entrants in the season two Royal Rumble? Is it 20, man? No, we're at 30. We're at 30. So this is the first 30, right? The first one was 20. And then by year two, they were up to 30 until, of course, the greatest Royal Rumble. Which one had 165? Correct. It had only 12, but Goldberg was allowed to enter 157 times.
00:26:36
Speaker
Continuously eliminated himself. So are we going to this Goldberg farewell tour? We gotta know where it is, but if they're one of them's in New York.
00:26:51
Speaker
I mean, I'd be tempted again, like if he's doing an arena and there was like a $20 ticket in the upstairs, I mean, I'll, I'll rubberneck. So what is this? I kind of had seen some of it, but you, you know, you guys know what's been going on. I have, I've been kind of out of everything for the last little bit. So I've heard this about a Goldberg retirement or, and it's, it's not affiliated with WWE. Is that right?
00:27:14
Speaker
That's right. His WWE contract has expired and he says he's exploring what he's called a four city retirement tour. Based on other things he's talked about, almost certainly one of them is Tel Aviv.
00:27:26
Speaker
Okay. So yeah. So facts, what you got right now is he's taken on Jimmy Lloyd in Mississippi. Sure. He's taken on Zach Sabre Jr. in Tokyo. Sure. He's going to take on great Collie in New York. David Starr. Oh wait, no, probably not him. He's not canceled in Tel Aviv, maybe. He's taking on Cole Cabana in Tel Aviv. Oh, there you go. That's better. That's better.
00:27:59
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I've read a Mr. Perfect with just the trunks that like, yeah, for early Mr. Perfect. It took a second. I was like, not only because this is an HD. It's like, who is that? So at this point in Andre's career, how busted up is he? Very. Oh, yeah. This is really close to the end of the in ring. Right.
00:28:21
Speaker
He's really struggling at this point. Cause remember he'd had that run. This is right after the run with Hogan in like 87, 88 that he was really like holding on for. Cause it was just like, it's him and Hogan. Yeah. Isn't he, isn't he the Bushwhackers manager by the end of 89? No, it's a little bit later. That's like 91, but he's retired from wrestling like a year. Like WrestleMania six is his last WWF match.
00:28:48
Speaker
And then he did a four city farewell tour. Right. Uh, Montreal, New York, Tokyo. And again, of course, Tel Aviv, you gotta finish in Tel Aviv. It's very important. No, but I would, again, if they did like something like the flare retirement show, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Garrett, it looked like kind of a fun show. It was like lots of good indie wrestling and then an attempted murder.
00:29:14
Speaker
Yeah, I had a legitimately very good time at that show. I have seen that it was considered one of the worst shows of the year. That is not the vibe I got from being there. I had fun. That was my last time seeing the Briscoes. Oh, well, that's only the worst show if you're concerned, if you're concerned with Ric Flair dying, but that's why, you know? Yeah, I think Goldberg has more survivability at this point in his life, you know, but beyond that,
00:29:43
Speaker
I don't, you know, cause the flare, it's flare, it's Conrad, right? It's, it's, it's, it's summer slam weekend. There definitely was a lot of things like Tony Khan being like, it's okay to work this show. I don't, I don't know that Goldberg's getting that kind of treatment. I don't know what kind of undercard talent Goldberg's going to be getting.
00:30:04
Speaker
I mean, maybe Conrad's involved. I don't know. I think if you did that, you know, in Detroit, SummerSlam weekend, I don't, I think you underestimate how much people who don't watch wrestling anymore care about Goldberg.
00:30:19
Speaker
Like I, I'm just saying from the, I'm not saying it's not going to do a buy rate, right? I'm just saying, I don't think it'll be, I don't think it'll be as good a show, at least on paper as the Ric Flair show. Like I don't think you're going to get like Drilistico working the curtain jerker on that one. You know, I think you're going to get manga. Is Mongo alive? Barely. He's, he's got, um, I think Lou Gehrig's or I'm at he's, he's in very, very, very bad shape right now. All right. So maybe not Mongo.
00:30:51
Speaker
We got rugged Ron Garvin, rugged Ronnie Garvin. Um, barely a year removed from being the NWA world champion. That was a weird thing in retrospect. Speaking of NWA, have you seen the footage of any of these, uh, Billy Corrigan NWA shows like the, where smashing pumpkins are playing? I didn't even know that that's a thing.
00:31:17
Speaker
So I saw a clip, I assumed that's what it was, that there was a band, it looked like they were in a small arena, there is a band playing in the photo, and at the back of the floor, there is also an NWA ring set up. And there's wrestling happening in the background while people are watching a band.
00:31:40
Speaker
I mean, this is like a prototype for the Mexico City thing they're doing or maybe it is the Mexico City thing and it's outside. They just put up some kind of something to make it look not outside where it's nighttime. I have I have no clue. I would just wasn't expecting to see at the back of a you know, the pit essentially.
00:31:58
Speaker
a band playing while this, it looked like this was set up and they were like, well, we're not moving. We're already here practicing. So you're just watching Fauzi or whatever the hell's opening for. Fauzi opening for the pumpkins with a wrestling show would be a hilarious bill. Who's uh, who's blonde man? It's like Greg the hammer, right? That's okay.
00:32:28
Speaker
I think, oh yeah, that's definitely Greg the Hammer. This was really a golden age of blonde men. Blonde men who, so again, I mentioned earlier that Axe just made me immediately think, oh, everyone's on the gas, except for if you're blonde, apparently. None of them. I mean, Greg the Hammer Valentine had a really, really good career as a fairly pear-shaped man, not a fat man.
00:32:56
Speaker
Just naturally pear-shaped. The natural honor that comes with being blonde. You don't take the juice, you don't get on the gas. You let people just enjoy you the way God created you. So you're a blonde man, facts, in this scenario. Are you going with the perm or are you just gonna let it go natural?
00:33:21
Speaker
I think, and this is then or today, I'm blowing it out. I'm getting the hair dryer and I'm really going kind of 80s. I'm going all 80s and really blowing it out, maximizing my volume, but keeping it straight.
00:33:41
Speaker
So I am very curious about this though. Um, so Chris, as we're watching this, uh, dynamite is happening and I would like to go ahead and just get my spoiler. Well, Jake, the snake coming in, that's your spoiler of this. Oh, there's my guy. That was my guy. I got tangled up in the ropes, almost got kicked in the dick by
00:34:09
Speaker
Yeah, this is right. Because he was feuding with, uh, with Andre at this point, because Andre was afraid of snakes, which I'm pretty sure was an angle they constructed so that Andre could lay around on the ground and not have to move very much. And I'm just looking Mr. Perfect, Jake, the snake, Andre, the giant and Greg, the hammer. That is quite a drinking team.
00:34:32
Speaker
Oh yeah. Oh my God. There's like 200 beers at least between these guys. I guess over half of that Andre and, and, oh, for sure. And acts like I don't really know much about him, but I got to imagine he could probably put him back. Anybody who's wearing, willing to wear those leather straps and throw that glitter on has a few drinks. Yeah. Just to get back to normal.
00:34:59
Speaker
But Chris, yeah, what's our spoiler? I'll watch dynamite at some point.
00:35:05
Speaker
But, well, Garrett, I just have three words for you. Eat it. Yeah. Sorry, what? No, exactly that. Grim is on dynamite and, no, no. Which I'm still getting on my fucking YouTube, guys. I tune into YouTube and it's like Grim Stoyko tells you what he thinks of the new belt. I'm like, I specifically requested not to hear what Grim Stoyko thinks.
00:35:32
Speaker
Um, but the three words I have for you Garrett are shitty little boots. No way. Really? That's literally the spoiler I got looking at my phone, someone posted in a discord, shitty little boots. And I was like, Oh shit. Holy shit. Roddy's here. I don't even know what, what he did, but he's, he's here. I like that. That's exciting. Honest to God, one of the best heels I've ever experienced live.
00:35:59
Speaker
Um, PWG was just such a, a God run of being such a piece of shit that you hated. And then he got to NXT and was just kind of a good guy. Most of the time it seemed. I'm not going to lie. Like I'm so far away. I didn't, I didn't know he wasn't still in NXT.
00:36:16
Speaker
I thought he was very, I think it's been very well kept under wraps. Cause I think he literally, the last observer I read last week, he was on a list of people who were out in WWE with injuries or whatever. So I'm guessing his contract just expired very quietly. And he was like, Hey guys, I would like to come join my friends. That's fun. Ooh, it's outlaw Ron Bass ball to shit.
00:36:42
Speaker
So did you guys last week talk about these rumors of the new two-hour Saturday AEW show? I don't think it's a rumor, right? Like, isn't that just fact? Is it a fact? Seems like it. I don't think we've talked much. We didn't talk much about it, though. What are you feeling about the facts? AEW collision, I think they're... I hate it.
00:37:02
Speaker
Like I am honestly of the opinion AEW already has so many hours of programming. So even if they ditch dark or like it's most of it's not good. Dynamite continues to be pretty watchable most weeks. But now you're going to dilute even that rampage, which is supposed to be their like next their third best hour.
00:37:26
Speaker
is completely skippable. And now I just feel like, have we learned nothing from WWE? Where again, I can pretty well map my interest in WWE. I don't think coincidentally started waning after they introduced SmackDown. Now granted, they still had some really hot years at the beginning there, but that was the boom of the attitude era. I don't think any wrestling show
00:37:54
Speaker
can put out four hours, let alone more than that, of good TV. So pretty soon, I'm just gonna be your buddy who likes to hear stories about Jimmy Lloyd on this podcast, because this could actually push me to stop watching Dynamite.
00:38:09
Speaker
I mean, not like completely like aggressively being, I'm not watching you anymore, but just like, Oh, now it's all in essential. Now I can treat all of it like rampage. I'll read the reviews. I'll check in on things here and there, but like, there is no AEW that's must see TV for me other than the paper views. Okay. I got to let you know though, it's young Sean Michaels.
00:38:33
Speaker
Blondas could be doing the same moves he was doing. But again, not on the gas. He's Blonded at 89, not on the gas. Attitude error, gets on the gas. There goes Axe. There goes Axe. I like this bald guy you were saying. I don't know most of these people's names it seems, but who's the bald man? That was Ron Bass. He was mostly big in like Florida. Came to the WWF for a couple years, 87 to 89. He got shaved bald by,
00:39:01
Speaker
Brutus Beefcake, not long before this. He looked like a guy that would beat the shit out of you at a love's truck stop. I think that was the gimmick, basically. Mr. Perfect did just save himself spectacular. He took a big bump off of Michael's Dropkick. And by the way, this is, I just quickly looked, because I thought I knew something about Ron Bass, and I'm glad I looked it up, because I was wrong. This is, it appears, his last televised wrestling match.
00:39:30
Speaker
Ron Bass, and he retired 91. So is Ron Bass Junior actually this man's son? I know he is a current indie wrestler. I don't think you would say that you're Ron Bass's son, but it doesn't mention a son on his Wikipedia, so. I do like that we got, I don't know if I've ever really noticed watching this match before, how much time Perfect and Michaels kind of get going at it just each other.
00:39:58
Speaker
wait is this that really quick elimination i don't know which year that was it's there's definitely uh i think it could be i don't know later what is andre still doing there they got jake the snake in the prime of his career was eliminated in like a minute and yet i fucking pita needs to get in there
00:40:23
Speaker
Oh, and by the way, so yes, Peter needs to take care of, I mean, it's too late. And we've heard the stories. The Wikipedia, I did gloss over it. It was in his death section for whatever reason. It does mention, yeah, he has, Ron Bass had one son named Joe who debuted as a professional wrestler in September 2019 competing under the name Ron Bass Jr. Okay, I met him. And I think that death match weekend in Indianapolis
00:40:54
Speaker
I believe he's friends with Heater. So he's a death match guy or? I don't believe he wrestled death match. I think he was on, he was on one of the shows that weekend though and I feel like I've seen him around a couple times. I saw, God, pretty soon all blonde men, all blonde men. Did it seem like Ron Best Jr. had some female friends that maybe he could set Jimmy Lloyd up with?
00:41:23
Speaker
So what made me think of this is over the weekend on Instagram, I saw Sawyer Rec share a photo that he posted where he said, that's my best friend.
00:41:35
Speaker
so wow you got to get more uh wow that's that's a big connect that's what a connection there it's six degrees six degrees tiny world um i enjoyed by the way i enjoyed that i didn't totally love it but i really liked the match between soyer and masha gcw last week i thought that was good it was good it was fun um masha continues to grow on it was
00:42:00
Speaker
And Masha continues to grow on me. I like that she's not wearing ring gear. I like that she's just pants and a GCW crop top. I don't know. I think she's growing on me.
00:42:12
Speaker
So we, and now by the way, the rare honky tonk man without the singlet, right? Just wearing kind of pants. This is like, this is, I think this is just before the toy line came out. So like what I think of as like the definitive, my childhood look, I think it was like shortly after this. Cause that like 1990, 91 look is what they made the action figures at. So cause you, cause you had the has pros you're saying and not the LJNs? Yeah, the has bros.
00:42:42
Speaker
Got to hard hard plastic. I'm sorry. Hard plastic could do one movement. Yeah, they were terrible, but I loved them and I had like all of them. I've got two on my shelf in here. I've still got Jake and Ultimate Warrior. I traded my Andrei after many years and very heavy usage. I traded my Andrei for a Gameboy and every game my friend Justin had.
00:43:10
Speaker
That's a good time. I swindled him, but in retrospect. That Andre is probably worth some dough now. Although it was very beat up, maybe not. Yeah, I know. Matt Cardona can let us know. The Ron, I will say we start with the Ron Bass angle that led to him getting shaved bald. This is like perfect late 80s WWF. He attacked Brutus Beefcake.
00:43:39
Speaker
and used Miss Betsy, which was like a bullwhip on Beefcake. And then also by the way, like he used Spurs to like cut Beefcake's face, which was very hardcore for the WWF in 1988. That's what took Beefcake out of the match with the Honky Tonk man at SummerSlam. Ah, Tito. And then that was, they basically had terrible matches around the horn. And then finally the final revenge was that Beefcake got to cut his hair.
00:44:08
Speaker
I am glad that I think we're all watching this on mute because I love Tito Santana, but it does. And I love this era of W like 89 is right in my wheelhouse. This is, these are like some of the biggest stars in the history of wrestling to me, but Bobby, the brain is almost definitely saying some real racist shit on commentary or Jesse venture, whoever's doing it, like, Oh, there's a flying enchilada.
00:44:32
Speaker
Yeah, that's actually one of the gimmicks that was pitched by that guy Callahan from the lawsuit. He actually pitched that one of the...
00:44:45
Speaker
you know, a Dominic Mysterio would be the flying enchilada and apparently they decided not to do that. Everyone may have seen the lawsuit today about the things that, hostile work environment, because apparently at least one of the people working for WWE in the writers room, I can't believe this, is apparently a giant racist. Who knew? I can't imagine who could that could possibly be.
00:45:11
Speaker
No, it's not Vince facts. I mean, Vince is the other one. So it's at least one, but probably more because he was probably Vince was probably like, ha ha ha. Good shit, pal. And it was somebody from USA, the company that brought you suits and burn notice that had to step in and be like, no, please do not put that on our TVs.
00:45:34
Speaker
Yeah, there was apparently an angle in which a white wrestler would hunt other wrestlers, one of whom was black, mostly, and mostly the focus on that. He would put him in a cage and the guy would get out. That's apparently a real thing someone suggested to other humans as entertainment to put on television. There's Bad News Brown. Bad News Brown would not have stood one second for that happening in a room with him in it.
00:46:02
Speaker
Alan code would have punched the shit out of anyone who suggested that to him. He still, that was a very, very tough man. If that person's name comes out, bad news would still take care of them. Yeah. I mean, he's dead, but beyond the grave, bad news will punch him. Absolutely. The two bald guys fighting right now. These guys look fucking bad ass. I mean, bad news, uh, somewhat famously, Andre apparently used a slur around him on a tour of Japan.
00:46:30
Speaker
And Bad News was like, I will fight you, motherfucker. And Andre apologized. Holy shit. Yeah. Yeah. By the way, do you know where? Oh, the honky tonk man is gone. Do you know what college Bad News Brown, Bad News Allen graduated from? No. Nihon University in Japan.
00:46:57
Speaker
No shit. He went to college in Japan. And I mean, he majored in judo. That's a real thing that you can major in college in the very early 70s and late 60s in Japan, apparently. Did he wrestle in Japan then? Yeah, he started in Japan. He was he all Japan then? He started New Japan in 1977. That's what his Wikipedia says.
00:47:27
Speaker
which speaking of all Japan while we watch this, Chris, did you happen to watch any or that first episode of the walking the King's road? I did. I did. I did too. It was um, Kawata and, uh, Tenru. Tenru. Right. Against, um, Hanson and Gordy, uh, world tag league finals, sorry, real world tag league finals in 88. Um, darn fine match. It was.
00:47:57
Speaker
Which I found, after I watched the thing, I found the match on YouTube as well and watched through it. Did you say Kawata? In 88, wow. That's a treat. Young Kawata wearing like a tiger print pants. Is that Ron Bass still in the match? He is. They're just like, that's like Vince's punishment. He's like, the fatter you are, the longer you gotta stay in.
00:48:23
Speaker
Axe, if you lost a couple of pounds and got to smash his size, you'd be able to take the night off. Just full of Marty Gennady hitting the ring, just full of. Oh, yeah. Marty Gennady. Good shape. Vince told him he can be out as soon as he wants. Margin is no idea what's going on. All right. So whatever in my mind, I'll see you, Vince. I think I'll go have fun, Marty. I think I'm going to kill some butter.
00:48:59
Speaker
The delayed fuck is what Oh Ron Bass nice bump off the the double drop kick taking him out there This does uh, I don't know how we got so far apart, but that happened a while ago for me. Oh Am I behind you guys I thought I had to catch my like slow I feel like I'm pretty close to where Garrett is it, you know
00:49:26
Speaker
I'm at one fifty fifty five. Yeah, I'm one fifty one twenty four. I'm exactly with Garrett. But watching this and I don't know if I assume Rick Martell probably is going to show up very soon, but like it does always whenever I see Tito, I always go, man, why didn't why didn't they let that really marinate? Oh,
00:49:58
Speaker
Savage and Bad News had some fun matches against each other. And I just love just pissed off Macho Man. I love the outfit here. He's got the trunks. It's classic Macho Man, but he's no robe, but he's got the bandana and sunglasses. Well, because you see, he had to run to the ring. So he had to be as aerodynamic as possible. So he had to keep the hair down and the robe would have just thrown everything off. Makes sense.
00:50:24
Speaker
This is the most intense anybody's been in the entire match. Nobody has moved as fast as Macho Man has. And Marty Gennetti is on a good deal of cocaine.
00:50:40
Speaker
Marty does look just very confused. He just hit bad news with a punch and looked around, like trying to figure out what's going on. So by the way, have we gotten in touch with the Appalachian people yet? Because I feel like Marty Gennady does seem like he might be able to fit into that roster. So we should talk about that fact. We should talk about Appalachian a little bit. Sure, yeah. Because we were looking at the schedule. And one of the things Garrett and I, this is after we recorded last week. Yeah. Garrett and I were looking at the locations.
00:51:10
Speaker
of the various, cause there's several different Buffalo Wild Wings. They do shows. Oh, okay. They do the circuit and like Goldberg's retirement circuit. Yeah. And it's exactly three different Buffalo Wild Wings in West Virginia. Okay. And I believe it's the one, uh, near across lanes. We found out that it's barely a mile from a place called the Mardi Gras casino.
00:51:35
Speaker
So pack your bags, bud, because we are winning some money and we're going to go see Toothless Ruth perform at the Mardi Gras Casino and Resort. Nice. Toothless Ruth is not a stripper. Toothless Ruth is a band of white men, which is just very offensive to me. But they'll all give you some sweet gummers. By the way, Arne Anderson on the gas, because he's a blondish man, but he was already fairly bald by then.
00:52:06
Speaker
Looking good though. This is the middle of the rocker's brain busters feud, which is just great stuff. Oh, it's tremendous. If anyone listening has never watched a rocker's brain busters match, go find one right now, please, immediately. Stop what you're doing right now. Stop listening to this podcast. Watch one of those, then come back to it. Whoa. Axe would have eventually told you about it, but... That is a crazy bump that Sean took off that elbow.
00:52:36
Speaker
Guess where to go. This is, I feel like this one's moving pretty well. Yeah. I will say sometimes the later ones would get, you could get bogged down in a piece, but this has been moving pretty nicely.
00:52:47
Speaker
Well, that's because at the beginning they put all the steroid guys and now we're getting into the cocaine guys who are speeding it up. Yeah. Yeah. No, but like, honestly, the pacing is really nice. Like each guy gets a little intro people. They're keeping it through like six ish guys in the ring at all times. It's kind of like, and maybe this is what I grew up with, but this is kind of the pacing I like. I really don't like it when it's like now there's 30 fucking people in it and then everyone gets eliminated real quick. And now we have nobody.
00:53:17
Speaker
It's like, I just don't like that. So, in fact, a little bit more about what we'll be doing that weekend. There's a presidential suite at the Mardi Gras casino. Ooh. Yeah. No, but if it's show weekend, are you assuming it's available? Because I would assume Beastman just has dibs on it. I've looked. It appears to be available. If we lock it in, I'm going to call and get that suite for us. Yeah.
00:53:47
Speaker
This is important. We want to be comfortable while we're there getting wasted all day at the Buffalo Wild Wings before we go get the prime rib for two at the casino for dinner. And what is the prime rib for two run at the West Virginia casino with Toothless Ruth? Let's see. Let's look at the menu here. Also at the menu, don't expect too much. I want to look this up. It's called the what casino?
00:54:16
Speaker
The Mardi Gras casino and resort. But don't expect too much Cajun food. It seemed like a lot more burgers and fries situation. Which I'm fine with, especially because there's a Buffalo Wild Wings a mile away. Buffalo Wild Wings all week. I ran a 4.0 out of 5 on Google. That's better than I would have guessed. The prime rib dinner for two is $50.
00:54:45
Speaker
Yes, that's got. Yes, we forgot to collect the dimension that. It's they got a salad, the entree, which of course is the primary with a baked potato and some horseradish sauce and some green beans and dessert for sharing. But obviously we're going to all order one for ourselves. We're we're getting three prime ribs for two, so.
00:55:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean. Oh, hell yeah. Big old Arn Anderson spine buster. Him and Tali looking good. But I think it's, cause here's the thing. We talked, we want to have some drinks with Sandman and what better way than saying, Hey Sandman, want to come back to the presidential suite? Joe Biden was just there last week.
00:55:38
Speaker
That's why it's the presidential suite. Biden's been there. It's, um, it's his only, it's one of his favorite spots. He sometimes just goes away for the weekend there. It's his Mar-a-Lago. By the way, like, I'm going to go down a rabbit hole now. They have a whole section of the site with just statistics from previous Greyhound races.
00:56:01
Speaker
By the way, Tully did the Kofi Kingston spot. He landed on his hands and pushed himself up and back in. It's the Art Anderson spot. He originated it. Kofi's a imitator. Yeah, Kofi and Tully Blanchard. It's exactly the same guy. Oh, Hogan just fucking cleaning house.
00:56:27
Speaker
Hulk Hogan, when he heard that this guy was pitching, that he'd be hunting men, he was in. He was like, I'm ready to go, brother. By the way, that- Come on, dude. Hogan is why none of the other blonde men are on the gas. It's because he had a flushes head of hair, went on the gas, and then two weeks later, there was nothing on top. And Terry Taylor just wasn't willing to deal with that.
00:56:54
Speaker
I will also say, we saw this week, I don't think I said you saw the video of Joey Janela doing some karaoke at Hulk Hogan's bar and grill with Hulk Hogan and Brian Nobbs looking on. No. Really? Amazing. Yes. Oh, go find it. Did it seem like they knew who he was? No, he was dressed as the Florida man. So he was wearing, he was pretty incognito if you weren't expecting it. What's he singing? Proud to be an American.
00:57:23
Speaker
Of course, a song that I would assume would be at any karaoke bar. Where do you think that falls in Vince's top 10 songs about America? Sixth. Number one, of course, America the Beautiful. Number two is Lex Luger's theme song. Number three, American Badass by Kid Rock.
00:57:53
Speaker
Vince definitely called his dick Jake the Snake before he signed the wrestler, right? Oh, for sure. For sure. Oh, I just realized when the second Bushwacker's coming in that the first Bushwacker is still in this match. That's a good run for the Bushwackers. Yeah.
00:58:15
Speaker
Yeah, this is right. This is right after they debuted. I guess they were giving them the initial push. Oh, the first ever get any gold. No, no, not not in WWF. Yeah, because the sheep herders, you know, they had some actually like solid matches. But I don't remember having them ever having anything remotely watchable in WWF. No, not really, no.
00:58:41
Speaker
They had an interesting history. I was reading, uh, the observer bio of, uh, of butch Miller who passed away a few weeks ago. And, uh, they, it's interesting. They, they, they tried to get out of wrestling a couple of times. He kept trying to go back and like get out of the business, but he just, it just kept pulling him back in. He was like running a store.
00:59:00
Speaker
Oh man. Tully really just took that, that they shouldn't do young rock. I want a sitcom about the Bushwhackers be kind of like flight of the concords. They're just writing songs. Yeah. Just a lot of airport conversations.
00:59:23
Speaker
So it's like BT, BT. I was gonna say it ends up just basically being wings with the bushwhack. Sounds like a good show to me. Well, I'm in. Yeah, Hogan. Oh man, this is. They do have a good group of guys to respond to Hogan. I do like that Hogan just like swung at bad news and bad news was like, nah.
00:59:51
Speaker
Just ignore it. It is also, yeah, it's definitely a treat to see Arne bouncing off Hogan in this era. He truly will not sell to Hogan. Bad news. Do you think that's where this all where Hogan's racism started? Probably.
01:00:21
Speaker
Yeah. It's a, it's a good, and again, you also forget though that this is like, this is the era where things move so slowly that seeing guys who didn't normally interact with each other, wrestle each other was just really exciting. It was like Hulk and Arne, like never would have crossed paths. Otherwise, other than one, that's why I certainly not holding a Bush and that's where I even love. I loved.
01:00:45
Speaker
the Survivor Series, because it was always like, okay, you have team Hogan against like team D.B. Asi. And sure, you might see Hogan and D.B. Asi in a ring together, but you get to see Hogan and his buddies go through million dollar man's flunkies. And then you get to see Hogan drop some leg drops and people and then you still get kind of the big showdown that you want. I recognize that outside of the tag team matches, they were all dogshit matches. But as a kid, I loved seeing those matchups. Yeah.
01:01:14
Speaker
Hulk just tossed Coco, I think, because he thought he was bad news. Oh, no, he knew he wasn't bad news. He knew he couldn't do that to bad news. So in this era, who would have been Hogan's buddies? I mean, Savage. This is the mega house. This would be Savage, but Duggan was always one of his buddies.
01:01:38
Speaker
Hillbilly gym, obviously tugboat later on until the Hercules at this point, I think they're right. Yeah, Hercules is still a face, certainly.
01:01:48
Speaker
Um, which remember, this is actually Hochulys had just turned face because D.B. Asi had tried to buy him as if he were a slave. Um, because again, WWF, very sensitive to issues. Um, also amazing bump there from, uh, Tully and Arne. Yeah. Oh, here's one of the first, uh, short eliminations. The warlord enters and gets closed lined out by, uh, by Hogan.
01:02:17
Speaker
Oh, and there now he goes after bad news and he tosses his best friend too. By the, by the way, we're also forgetting cause I was looking at the Hogan cartoon, the rocket wrestling cartoon. So you had, you had super fly. Shnooka was always one of his buddies to Tito Santana, uh, captain Lou, Wendy Richter. Um, and then you had the bad guy, contingency led by Roddy Piper and also featured the iron chic, Nikolai Volkov, Mula, big John stud, um, and mr. Fuji.
01:02:48
Speaker
Can I ask you to say, I just love the Randy Savage performance here. This is the buildup to the breakup of the mega powers. So Hulk, of course, cause he's a real good friend, tosses Randy out with bad news. And Savage just comes in hot. And I just, he's just so great in this role.
01:03:08
Speaker
So at this point, it is still, winner gets a shot at the top. No, no, no. No, it's not yet. This is nothing. That didn't start till 93, right? Because 92 was when the title was vacated, right? Because they had to get the title off Hogan somehow. And then that's the Ric Flair one. And then when the next year came around, they were like, well, we need to find something here. And I think even that one, they never announced it. But Yoko Zuna wins and then does get the title match. And then it was 94.
01:03:37
Speaker
Um, or was it 95 is when they started announcing it in advance. And that's when it became the tradition. Because 94, wasn't that the Brett Luger one? Luger. Yeah. Okay. And they're hugging it out. Macho Macho and Hogan. Yeah. And you know, they're going to be, and they're going to, doesn't know what happens next. They're going to be just fine. Um, the mega powers are never going to explode. Um,
01:04:05
Speaker
No, that's actually I will say if for those who may have heard a little bit about Fax and I's old podcast, other than, of course, the ones with Garrett, go listen to those. Those are terrific. But one of my favorite episodes is with our friend. Oh, yeah. And talking about the the Hulk and Savage match from WrestleMania five, because it's there's just so much to unpack with that match. And the way that match is sort of like an inflection point, I think for us, for people of our age, like as wrestling, he does a great macho man impression.
01:04:34
Speaker
He does, yes. So again, this was my first big money feud I remember as a kid. I remember being really, really invested in Hogan and Savage and the Twin Towers. Although now it's kind of weird that the Twin Towers managed by Slick when Akeem is one of the Twin Towers. And they were just like, hey, it's Vince Logic. Let's have this black manager guy called the African Dream that's a huge white guy.
01:05:03
Speaker
Well, that's interesting. It's also interesting to watch and because again, I'd watched some adw bf recently. He is slick as managing the one-man gang and then they do the transition to Akim where like the gang had been on TV like
01:05:18
Speaker
Not long before that, like it's very clearly, it's like the one-man gang is becoming Akeem. And it's never adequately explained what the fuck is happening. There's like a video, there's like a video where he like participates in some ceremony on the streets or something. It's very racist, Mean Gene is involved. But yeah, he's just because, he's like, oh, I'm Akeem now. And it's like, okay.
01:05:45
Speaker
And no one really questions this. By the way, Akeem is still with us. How is that? He's not somebody you would have picked, right? No, that's a good point. He's one of the last survivors of this era. He's only 63. I would have guessed far older. And here he is.
01:06:11
Speaker
Also, I mean, the gang, a somewhat underrated worker, just because I think there's a bias toward, you know, our old buddy, Scott Keith, you know, was very like the big guys. He was never into them because they worked a bit slower. But I mean, some of those guys like Akeem could still go in the context of being a big man. Why do you keep talking about Akeem? Because it looks like it's Ray Traylor, Hulk Hogan and Conrad Thompson are in the ring right now.
01:06:43
Speaker
By the way, this is how Wikipedia describes the transition. In September 1988, one man gang's manager, Slick, announced the gang was actually African and planned to re-embrace his roots. On an episode of WWF Superstar, which aired on September 24th, 1988, featured a vignette with Gene Okerlund on location in an American ghetto
01:07:07
Speaker
that was dubbed the deepest, darkest parts of Africa, where dancers dressed as tribal African danced and chanted around a fire. That sounds real bad. Mm, it's bad. Very, very bad. Oh, God.
01:07:30
Speaker
That is the twin towers have taken out, uh, have taken out the Hulkster. They've teamed up. Oh, and of course the poor sport, the Hulkster pulling the boss man out under the ropes. If this was today, the boss man would be coming back towards the end. Cause he'd be like, I was never eliminated. Um,
01:07:55
Speaker
But this very American man doing this to a police officer and an African national. So, OK, there's beefcake. I just saw it looks like Roddy came in and is fighting the Jericho Appreciation Society. Oh, OK, so he's he's Adam Cole's baby.
01:08:26
Speaker
Okay, they have allowed boss man back in after. Oh, and now and now Hulk pulls down the top. But by the way, and just before they did the thing where Hogan like tries to get back in like I love it when Hogan of this era does that where it's like he doesn't know the rules and he's like he doesn't know that he's been eliminated. He thinks he can just go in like because that's the way Hogan would be. He's the worst. Yet he was.
01:08:53
Speaker
So fucking cool at this time. I mean, I I love tall Kogan. At this point, I'm about three weeks before I turn on Hulk Hogan. As yeah, again, I was on Team Hogan all the way. My bigger conflict was with him and warrior, but I was kind of on both teams for that one. I didn't pick a side. Oh. The steel suitcase to the head of.
01:09:28
Speaker
But I yeah, yeah. Yeah, for those who get who haven't listened to that episode and I go to the great detail, I was I was one of the youngest kids, the young kid going like screw the Hulkster. He screwed over the macho man. I love the macho man. Man, I mean, he just he I loved his movies. He was. There was just, you know, I. This is going to hurt. Not only did I like Hogan, I wanted I wanted Liz to go to him.
01:09:57
Speaker
I want her to leave Randy. Whoa. You know, as an adult, I can understand that that was probably a reasonable position and that the macho man maybe was not the best person, but. As a kid, it's like, I hope the blonde man fucks that lady. The red rooster is in. Describe him. Blonde. Not on the gas. Trim. Not on the gas.
01:10:29
Speaker
But butcher beefcake, not blonde, very on the gas. This is before, though, that they had realized the best way to get in good shape is to be on the gas and work out. Beefcake hadn't figured out that second part.
01:10:52
Speaker
Just as a bit for the show, do you guys want to all do steroids together and see who gets the beat? But none of us are allowed to work out. Not a step of exercise. I won't because I'm still terrified of steroids from an episode of 21 Jump Street where a kid injected steroids into a fish and I thought it was the worst thing ever. Into a fish? Yeah, I probably, I was very young. I might be misremembering that but
01:11:20
Speaker
listeners, anyone who's anyone who also listen to 21 Jump Street podcast right in Jimmy facts or Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page. Tell me tell me what actually happened. I think I got that right, though. He sees he catches his brother's steroids and then he thinks it's cool and injects into his pet fish. It dies. And then, well, no, of course, as fish sets the record for most home runs. Yeah.
01:11:56
Speaker
That famous home run competition between Mark Maguire, Sammy Sosa, and Bubbles. There is a steroid episode 21 Jump Street called, how much is that body in the window? I must be misremembering because I'm not finding the word fish on there at all.
01:12:21
Speaker
You thought it was a fish when you were a kid, but he was injecting it into his penis. It was actually just, I was just watching behind the scenes footage of Vince McMahon. It's the only vein I can see. It makes it the easiest. Don't take your eyes off it, Jimmy. Oh, that's a dark vein.
01:12:47
Speaker
There's the name of the episode. He's it's actually Vince. Vince Vince loved injecting steroids into fish, which is why he employed Bobby Fish for so long. Vince, I don't care.
01:13:19
Speaker
put so much in that he died and we've never saw him again. Would you say that he's fighting the Osprey somewhere? I think he might've happened on a one PW show in England. It's going up on fight TV this weekend. They don't have anyone better in England to go against Will Osprey. They had to import him in. Man, Marty Skirrell is really, really buried.
01:13:48
Speaker
Yep, indeed, indeed. The other thing we should discuss, XPW had a bit of an interesting weekend. Oh my God, how did we go so long? Oh, because I woke up this morning on Sunday and the first thing I saw was a text from Garrett that said, hey, you should see this guy setting his face on fire.
XPW Incident and Vince McMahon's Antics
01:14:14
Speaker
Masada basically trying to do like the Gene Simmons blow a fireball, but inhaled the fire. So his lungs are fucked. Completely engulfed his head. He sets the ring on fire in the process of running around. This video that we watched was 11 seconds. There isn't a second of it where he's not on fire. And he's so casual about it.
01:14:40
Speaker
and no one is around with water or a fire extinguisher, but as he is fully engulfed in flames, gets around one full side of the ring from the audience, you see a sealed bottle of water go flying towards him. He can't catch that and open it himself. He can't see he's on fire. This is where you need Jimmy Lloyd. Exactly.
01:15:05
Speaker
If Jimmy was there. If this was Sumi Sakai, she wouldn't be having this problem. I mean, she would for like the first couple of seconds, but. And apparently Masada, not a great guy, so all the best to him, he's.
01:15:24
Speaker
It's always, one of the best things about XPW, when something goes wrong like that, or the thing happens, where Dilfboy gets legitimately beat up and you're like, well, I guess it happened to Dilfboy, so I think I'm allowed to, I think I'm allowed to enjoy this. What did Dilfboy do? He stole a lot of cup of noodles. From children. His crime was under $20.
01:15:50
Speaker
Um, but it was, hey, he stole enough money. Yeah. It's way more crimes. He's the one who invented the fried cheeseburger at American cheeseburger. Okay. So you started sending us, what were you on like a Reddit AMA with, uh, with an American cheeseburger employee? What was going to happen? No, no. And I should mention, by the way, we do have big John. Again, blonde, blonde man, not on the gas, then joined by Hercules, non-blonde man, very on the gas continue.
01:16:22
Speaker
I'm on a discord that involves a lot of merch makers, but a couple of the people involved are involved in the indie wrestling scene. And one person- By the way, you just introduced yourself the way you will one day introduce yourself as an expert witness at a murder trial. How do you know the deceased? Well...
01:16:52
Speaker
Um, and we were talking about the Masada thing. Um, and I think I made a joke about American cheeseburger and he said that, um, I can confirm this. I think it would be public knowledge, right? That it was, uh, I was like, Hey, uh, can they eat the cheeseburgers when it's covered in glass? And he's like, Oh yeah, they got shut down for that. So I don't even know if it's open yet. And I did looking back, I realized they have not posted about the cheeseburger restaurant being open in a while. So they might've gotten some fines for the glass.
01:17:22
Speaker
in the cheeseburger restaurant, which is unfortunate. I like that it did in fact happen though. By the way, how hard is it to get a local restaurant business shut down in the post lockdown era of Buffalo? A couple of kids could need a couple of stitches in their mouth and you'll be okay.
01:17:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's a group either that or Josh Allen drove down to Rochester, had a hamburger there and he cut his lip and they just were like, what do you mean? What do you mean? Josh Allen like missed a 15 minutes of a practice. And, uh, everyone just went. Not blonde on the gas.
01:18:08
Speaker
Or he might actually just be working out. I don't know, the model, he definitely got more gassed in his WCW days later on. He might've just been in great shape. Although even later here, when he, he wasn't the model yet, and he does get bigger as the model. Looking at this era, WWF, it does seem like it would be a body positive company.
01:18:35
Speaker
Somebody of all shapes and sizes. And even like Hogan, it wasn't he wasn't quite at his apex, right, that he was he obviously had some pretty big arms and a lot of muscle, but he had some softness around him. You know, he doesn't look like, you know, Roman Reigns does now. Yeah, he's he's starting to be on movie sets, you know what I mean? He can't be fully pumped when you're on a movie set. Have you seen The Rock? Yeah.
01:19:06
Speaker
He didn't have people just carting cod to him like The Rock does. By the way, I did finish the season of Young Rock last night. And at the very end of the season, Rock turns and goes, I think it's time to start a new country. And that's the end of the season. Okay. Wait, so Rock... So this is the real Rock in current time saying this.
01:19:37
Speaker
Well, 10 years in the future after he's lost a presidential nomination, he spent most of the season, the real rock version, on a diplomatic mission to a made up country in the South Pacific to get coffee. It's very strange. Don't think you are about it. So the next season is going to be a dystopian sci-fi thing where The Rock is leading a rebellion to liberate the country. Yes. I'm into it.
01:20:05
Speaker
Wait, is he so he's still in like the current day stuff? Mm hmm. Yes. And there's Virgil, by the way, not blonde, very juiced, D.B.A.C. blonde, not juiced. And, you know, it's in case the Akim conversation has slipped your mind and you need a reminder of the abject racism that. Was around. Yeah, I'm wondering, maybe it's just been a hostile work environment back there for 35 years. I.
01:20:37
Speaker
Maybe this isn't reason. You know, I feel like it was hostile then, and then it got okay.
Royal Rumble and Wrestling Antics
01:20:46
Speaker
And it wasn't just like Vince coming back to change everything. It's like, even they were like, you know, Vince started coming back, he was fine. And then just one day, just Vince came in the room in his eyes and they're like, oh God, he started injecting steroids in his penis vein again. Fuck. The cocaine is one thing. That's just normal day-to-day Vince. But once he starts shooting it up,
01:21:11
Speaker
I will say it's interesting with, with this rumble that they do kind of, um, they taper the star power a little bit.
01:21:21
Speaker
Yeah. And I also, by the way, I've always loved the gimmick and I don't think they did it here, but again, I don't have commentary on of like the recurring giving of DBS. He always buying a spot, whether he bought the last spot or he, he bought the first spot to prove that he can last the whole way. Like I always, I always liked that the little, I love the little promos where guys had a little ticket and they would kind of tease what spot they were. You take team partners. I think it is that here.
01:21:48
Speaker
I think he buys 30, I think for my team, actually. Yeah, he's definitely, he's definitely 30. And we're going to the, uh, but where'd you get the money? Mississippi, the, the, the funds, Brett Favre. Right. This is all known now. Yeah.
01:22:14
Speaker
Millions of dollars. I mean, it's all it's all state welfare money funding him. And it's all to Virgil is the only person benefiting. He's he's a job creator, he said. And the only job he's created is we had to commission someone to make that million dollar title, right?
01:22:32
Speaker
Sure, yeah, that's another one person for a little bit. And he was hoping to with Hercules, but Hercules was unwilling to work, so he's doing job training, and that's how, that's what it is. He's doing, Ted's doing job training, and that's what the state is funding him for right now. So, Brett Favre's money went to building a girls volleyball court at a college, correct? Correct. And Ted DiBiase's money went to
01:23:03
Speaker
Um, making sure that, uh, Brutus beefcake and Brian knobs are able to pay their tabs at Hulk Hogan's restaurant. That sucks that Hogan doesn't just, you know, do his buddy a solid and let him just have it. I mean, it's been, it had been eight years since they'd paid. He never got that Gawker money, right? He just owns Gawker.
01:23:31
Speaker
Yeah. What's he doing with that website? He's like, I don't fucking know how to run a website, brother. Do you know anything about HTML keeps it exactly as is so that he can watch his own porn tape and knows where to find it. Cause even though he's super into it, you know, he is. Oh yeah. Hulkster.
01:23:54
Speaker
Much like Shane Douglas in the Appalachian website, he's just posting pictures now of what he's- He's actually just, he's basically become like an only fans where he's just continuing to, he just has no idea he's doing it. It's just become a very elaborate Hulk Hogan sex tape website. Well, and just again, he's going on like yesterday on Gawker, the headline on Gawker was real cool guy does karaoke.
01:24:25
Speaker
And you're right, sometimes, though, it is just a text message that got sent to the wrong place. Knobs, does this mole look cancerous, dude?
01:24:39
Speaker
Interesting final four here. It's Rick Martell and Ted DiBiase and John Studd and Akeem. So Rick Martell and Ted DiBiase are like lightning fast throwing shots at each other. And Big John Studd and Akeem are just like standing in a corner. I was like, who did? I already forgot. Who did Martell just eliminate?
01:24:58
Speaker
It was a barbarian. I got to say I am a Rick Martell apologist. Love, love his entire of war. But that was to eliminate the barbarians, one of the worst drop kicks in the history of televised wrestling. No. There he goes. And now we know what in a royal rumble in a royal rumble, I'm definitely a hugger. Oh, yeah. Like I'm going to be one of those guys in the corners like where's the Bushwhacker? Where is
01:25:29
Speaker
And by the way, speaking of like the, you know, being maybe out of breath and needing a hug, like Aqim, like I was joking before, but Aqim, like, what did he do that Vince is like, Oh, you're, you're going 30 minutes. It's either that or you're getting the needle in your dick. He couldn't get him on a treadmill. That's why Aqim's still alive.
01:25:54
Speaker
It had nothing to do with physical fitness. It just was dick steroids lead to your heart exploding. This is by the way, one of those weird forgotten things, John stud, of course, big, big star in the eighties leaves in like 86, I think somewhere.
01:26:18
Speaker
takes a couple years off, had come back right before this, and they're just pushing the shit out of Big John Studd, which does not last very long. I'm curious as to why, actually. There's probably a story there. I'm sure it was so that they could build him up to have Hogan beat him, even though he wasn't a heel at this time, I don't think. Well, no, he's a good guy here. The why he didn't come back
01:26:45
Speaker
Um, oh, he felt he quits in June over what he felt were poor payoffs. I remember that. Although when he won that the slam match with Andre, he was just throwing the money out to everybody. That's his own fault. Mm. Here's DB Aussie offering him another payout that he turns down. I don't know stud in 89 was the bot was the DB Aussie look. That was like a, that was like a sexy thing. Oh yeah. I think so.
01:27:13
Speaker
Like he's kind of got the Bob V. Lolo going on. 89 is when Die Hard came out, right? So Hans Gruber and Dibiassier are basically twins. Okay, that came out in eighties. So this is January of 89.
01:27:39
Speaker
And Die Hard is a Christmas movie, right? Yeah, there you go. Right around there. Probably still in theaters. Now, this one was not pay-per-view, right? I think it was at the first... Oh, this one was. Okay, only the first one. This is the first pay-per-view one. And then that's when... Definitely bought this one at my grandma's house. Definitely, like, the first one was just to kind of screw with Turner or whatever, Crockett.
01:28:05
Speaker
And then the second one, he's like, Ooh, now we can make money or pay-per-view. And then that day he thought of the day, this day, one day I'm going to find a Saudi prince and I'm going to have the greatest rumble and I'm going to, I'm going to get so much blood money. And it's going to be live streamed on something called Peacock.
01:28:36
Speaker
What do you want to do? Do you want to watch Megan? Do you want to watch The Office? Burn notice will be there too. There's no better way than watching Jurassic Park than with commercials.
01:28:54
Speaker
It's a good suplex there from the stud man. Stud is looking overall a little softer in the middle than I remember. Not that he was, you know, known as an Adonis or anything, but he generally just seems like he is. Like I remember him seeming more just tall and he's definitely a bit chubbier than I remember. Yeah, I think the plan was for him to work matches with Andre and I don't think they did very many of those. Thank God.
01:29:24
Speaker
Oh, and there goes Ted. So, uh, we're, we're super far ahead of you now, but I think the suplex you were talking about was that under armed over the head suplex. Yeah, that was awesome. Yeah. I think my thing paused again for a sec there. Yeah. Oh, well, the fan seemed to dig it. Um,
01:29:52
Speaker
Which I never, although there's a lot of people just leaving immediately and don't give a shit. Well, the only reason they dig it is the internet wasn't around yet.
01:30:03
Speaker
There wasn't, they didn't have somewhere to be like, this fucking sucks. Are you kidding me? Blonde man 13. But that was, but that was also great as a kid. Cause like, I'd be going to like first grade the next day and nobody ordered the pay-per-view. Who has that kind of money, right? Let alone, we didn't, nobody in my town even had a cable box so that we could order pay-per-view even if we, if our parents were willing to show out for it. So it would always be like,
01:30:32
Speaker
somebody would be like, my cousin saw it, he called me on the phone. And like, you wouldn't believe them. And you wouldn't believe them because three out of four times it was complete bullshit that they made up. And so they'd be like, one kid say, Pete, John Studwin, another kid be like, oh, Bret the Hitman Hart won, another, the rest are all gonna say Hogan won. And it's like, I just couldn't believe anything until literally it would, I would see this probably right around when SummerSlam is happening.
01:31:00
Speaker
the video rental store might have the VHS copy that my parents would let us rent if we were good. Yeah, I guess it's just that my grandmother loved me more than your family members did. How much was a pay-per-view back then? I think it was already like 20 or $25, maybe even 30.
01:31:28
Speaker
That's not so bad. I mean, so back, I mean, with inflation, that's still, I'm trying to decide if that's more than an impact pay-per-view. Oh, it definitely is. I would say, because I was thinking about, I had all of it, like the toys, the action figures you could get for under five bucks. And those, you go to a Walmart today and try to pick up a wrestling action figure. You're going definitely over 20 spot. Oh, for sure.
Reflections on WWE Titles and Future Content
01:32:00
Speaker
How do you feel now that you've seen the 89 Royal Rumble in 2023? I thought it was better than I thought it would be. I thought it was very watchable. I thought it was a pretty breezy watch. I enjoyed it more than some of the modern rumbles. I don't think I'd put it up there with like the best of all time, but I think that this is kind of like third quadrant Rumble for me.
01:32:27
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's a really strong middle. I mean, you forget how many good workers there were, and they did a really good job, I think, of letting the really good workers carry a good chunk of the match and have interesting interactions and kind of fun little things that kept the thing moving. And then, you know, again, towards the end, it slows down a little bit because they're setting up for the big push for stud. But I mean, on the whole, and of course, you're going to get the big angle with the megapowers, which, you know, go watch, go watch the main event. I'm sure it's season two, episode one.
01:32:59
Speaker
Which you're right macho man in that moment He sells it so well. That is Cody Rhodes level acting Although Vince to be fair only really seems like they had the mega powers thing written one year in advance whereas Cody Rhodes His story being written is a multi-year epic
01:33:23
Speaker
Are we even going to talk about this new title belt that I just read about minutes before we started recording? Sure. It seems dumb. Mm hmm. That's it. Yeah, it's the one. It's the one Triple H got handed. Basically, it's the lineage of the belt. Triple H got handed. They've broken that off from.
01:33:41
Speaker
whenever that got merged. But they didn't, right? Because from what I was reading, they said, because Roman still has both other belts. This is a third belt. This is not a second belt. This is a third belt. Right. Yes. But they're calling it the World Heavyweight title, which was merged. I don't know. It was merged with the WWE title.
01:34:03
Speaker
10 years ago is big gold. Like it looks, this one actually looks like kind of a lesser AEW or new Japan title. And why don't they just use big gold? It's everyone's favorite title. Well, because man, man's Warner has it. Oh, does Vince not own the rights to that? Is that, is that part of like, how did that happen? No, I'm sure, I'm sure he does. Um, well, they use it. The old, the old world heavyweight title basically was big gold. Right.
01:34:32
Speaker
So with this, is this basically them creating the TNT title so Cody has something to do while Roman Reigns makes the next, you know, makes it to WrestleMania 50? No, it's they need Logan Paul to be world champion. And they can't, they got to do the Cody thing, they got to do the Roman thing first and keep that going. So Logan Paul is just going to be world champion. I'm not mad about that. Not even a little bit. I wonder how much like,
01:35:01
Speaker
the Fox executives are being like, wait, can we trade? Cause you know, universal titles are really stupid name, right? Can we have the world heavyweight title instead? You know, the one that sounds like a wrestling title. It looks like big gold mixed with a little WWE in the middle. I, whatever. It's fine. What, whatever. I don't, I don't care what they do over there unless it involves Logan ball. And then it's great if they do.
01:35:29
Speaker
I guess I'm slightly curious what the match, they're apparently gonna do a match at the Saudi show to crown the champion. I'm furious in the general sense what that will be. Oh, they are doing like a, are they doing a king of the ring or what are they? No, they got rid of king and queen of the ring because they're doing this, I guess. But wasn't it called, it's co-opting the name of a classic show, isn't it? Oh, Night of Champions. It's now Night of Champions. So, Drew McIntyre will win.
01:36:00
Speaker
Probably. Because he is the knight with a K. Yeah. Strong. You know, facts, the problem with that idea is, as you're pitching it, is it's just not racist enough. Yes. Just not racist enough. And here's the thing, Logan Paul, blonde hair, blue eyes. Just what those Saudis love.
01:36:23
Speaker
Not on the gas. Not on the gas. Just prime and that he does inject into his penis, but it's working for him. Look. Lucky bastard, I wish I could show much prime. He he has a little college cooler of prime just for his penis that he keeps next to the bed.
01:36:46
Speaker
When he finishes pleasuring a lady, he just grabs one and just literally like she's like, Oh, can I have one? She's like, Oh yeah, you use that fridge. This one's the one I used to ice my dick.
01:37:03
Speaker
And that little fridge is all that Jimmy Lloyd has in his house first. And by the way, folks, this has been a preview of the podcast once the new AEW show premieres and I stop watching. And I literally come on here just to talk about dicks. We're going to do watch alongs of all Japan matches. And just like we're going to we're going to scream out loud at the head drops and then talk about dicks in between.
01:37:30
Speaker
which is what we do when these microphones aren't in front of us but you know what we've been on like 90 minutes now so let's get the fuck out of here all right everything anything else anything else any other penis any uh
01:37:45
Speaker
Nope. We're good. Thanks. Thanks to Nick for, uh, for, for suggesting this. And now, now you guys have kind of gotten to hear what it's like when we, when we're off mic and just watching wrestling. And, uh, and anybody else that has some suggestions, why don't you throw a five star review on, give a, give a little suggestion in there and, um, you know, maybe we'll do it. We're not challenging. We got nothing else to do.
01:38:10
Speaker
All right, everybody. Thanks so much for listening this week. We'll, we'll be back. Rate review. Subscribe at Gartet at predetermine podcast, at Chris Miggs, at Jimmy facts, AKA Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page.