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What’s Your Favorite Scary Movie: Scream vs. I Know What You Did Last Summer
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It’s almost Halloween so Rock & Rob thought it was time to debate two horror classics from the 90s: Scream (1996) and I Know What You Did Last Summer (1997). They are joined by horror expert (and Rock’s sister) Christy Adkins to determine which slasher survives and which one doesn’t make it to the sequel. Listen in as they put both films through seven rounds of questions such as best cast; better title; and which movie was ultimately scarier. They also cover important topics such as doggy doors on garage doors; 90s cool guy hair; and why there isn’t more urgency when being chased by a deranged murderer.
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Introduction and Guest Introduction
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Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention?
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Brothers don't shake hands. Brothers got a hug. Your voice is like a combination of Fergie and Jesus. He sound like Alfred London. I don't want your life. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul. OK, a simple wrong would have done just fine. Happy Halloween, everybody, and welcome to the movie showdown with Rockin' Rob. My name is Rob Mansfield, and with me, his mom and dad are going to be so mad at him. It's Alex Rockline.
00:00:36
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What's going on, Rob? Let's get into a five star review. This is from not Devin McDonald. The subject line. I'm friends with Keanu. We're friends with Keanu, too. This sounds legit. This is a completely unbiased five star review of this podcast. I am not a blood relative of one host and I was not once a roommate for like a week with the other. I also do not want any swag. So please definitely don't send me any. Keep up the good
Early Movie Memories and Horror Interests
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work, boys. Not related. He clearly claims he does not know either of us. We definitely have never met or shared a house with this man. right He doesn't want any swag though, so I think we should definitely send him something. Yeah, let's send him a hat. Well, it is our Halloween episode and we wanted to venture into a genre that admittedly, Rock and I don't spend a lot of time in, horror. And we knew in order to do that, we would have to bring on someone with more experience with those types of movies. And who better to join us for this discussion than my sister, Kristy Adkins. Hello, boys. Growing up, one of the things that Christy and I bonded over were movies, but usually comedies like Tommy Boy and Dodgeball. But Christy also introduced me to films that pushed me out of my comfort zone. And I'm talking about horror films such as What Lies Beneath and The Amityville Horror. And in true sibling fashion, she let me sneak in a few titles I probably wasn't ready for, like Speed or Deep Impact. And you know what, Christy? I can't wait to dive into this episode with you. Thank you so much for having me. First of all, I think that it's hilarious that you think Speed is a movie that you maybe shouldn't have been watching. I'm glad you said that. I was young and impressionable. Well, I have got a guest question of the week for you, k Christy. What's your favorite scary movie? Oh, I'm going to say my absolute favorite scary movie of all time is Silence of the Lambs.
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Now if I was gonna pick like a slasher movie saw that's my favorite What's your go-to movie that you have to watch during the Halloween season? Ooh Misery is one of my top ones. Yeah, the strangers creepy. That one is always creeped me out. Um the final destinations Yes, they're not like super scary. I just enjoy them Alex. What about you? I'm gonna stick with hocus pocus. Oh, man I knew go listen to our episode hocus pocus fish Jennifer's body. That's a great movie Well, back in the mid-90s, horror movies were kind of, pun intended,
The Horror Genre Resurgence: 'Scream' vs 'I Know What You Did Last Summer'
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dead. Then a small slasher movie came out five days before Christmas in 1996 and changed the game forever, revitalizing a sputtering genre and leading to the resurgence of the teen slasher. That movie, of course, is Scream. And we knew if we were going to talk about Scream, there was only one movie we could compare it with. I know what you did last summer.
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Alex, why don't you tell us what movie you're repping this week? So this week I will represent Scream. Quick summary. It's scary movie, but not a complete parody. Scream was released on December 20th, 1996, directed by Wes Craven. Wes Craven is one of the masters of the horror genre. A Nightmare on Elm Street, The Last House on the Left, The Hills Have Eyes. Fun little fact here, Wes Craven went to Wheaton College. Wheaton, the ah Christian institution in the Chicago area, Our sister went to Wheaton for like a semester. Actually, Wheaton College is like low key why all of us live in Texas. That's true. She met Curtis when she was at Wheaton. Wow. I find it really interesting that the like master of the horror genre went to the Bible-based Wheaton College. Things went on at those schools. Things went on.
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Well, initially, Wes Craven turned down this film. He signed on to direct after Drew Barrymore agreed to appear in it. Also, he was confronted by a young fan who accused him of going soft. who That pushed him over the edge to commit. Before Wes Craven, Robert Rodriguez, Danny Boyle, George A. Romero, and Sam Raimi, were asked to direct. it was written by kevin williamson you may know him from dawson's greek creator he got the inspiration for scream in ninety ninety five when he was house sittingtting for a friend and a new story about florida's gainesville ripper gave him a case of shining light cabin fever he reportedly whipped out the 120-page screenplay for Scream in and about 48 hours while listening to the soundtrack for Halloween. He also wrote a five-page treatment for Scream 2 at the end of the screenplay, which was written into a full-blown script after the success of the movie. It's pretty impressive. A lot of confidence. I got a movie, yeah, and here's the sequel. Scream had a budget of between $14 and $15 million. dollars Box Office brought in $173 million. Rotten Tomato has a score of 77%. And Google Audience, 86%. Scream opened in December of 96 to only $6.4 million, dollars which led the studio to believe that the film had flopped. However, the film's good word of mouth led to its massive success. And there have been a total of six Scream movies and a TV series. That Rotten Tomatoes score is surprising to me. I thought it would have been
Horror Movie Villains Showdown
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higher. You don't hear many people say anything negative about Scream. No, that does seem really low. Well, that means that I will be repping I Know What You Did Last Summer. Here's a summary. It's a scary movie, but not a complete parody. Released October 17th, 1997, directed by Jim Gillespie. Written by Kevin Williamson. Same writer as Scream. And loosely based on the 1973 novel by Lois Duncan.
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So Williamson wrote this in the early 90s, actually before he wrote Scream, but no studio was interested in it as slasher movies were considered dead at the time. When Scream became a major box office hit, I Know What You Did Last Summer was immediately greenlit. So not to try an early sway some votes here, but anyone saying I Know What You Did Last Summer is a ripoff of Scream. It's actually kind of the other way around. Lois Duncan was actually very opposed to her young adult novel being reworked into a slasher film due to the fact that her youngest daughter was murdered by an unknown assailant in 1989, which is terrible. I know what you did last summer had a budget of $17 million dollars and a box office of $125.3 million, dollars a Rotten Tomatoes score of 46%, and a Google Audience score of 87%, so higher than Scream. That surprises me.
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There have been three movies, a TV series, and a new film which is being released next year that's bringing back Freddie Prinze Jr. and Jennifer Love Hewitt in it. Oh my gosh, I can't wait. Christy, Alex and I like to do these best friend challenge. What I thought we could do for this one is our top four horror movie villains. We'll each say ours and whoever matches up the most, our best friends. Been a while, Rob, for us. All right, Christy, why don't you start us off? My number four is going to be Leatherface from Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Terrifying dude. I went and saw that movie five days before I moved to Texas. I think I would have had a completely different perception of that movie had I not literally had my car packed to drive to Texas. I was like, oh my gosh, he's going to find me. So like that movie just kind of has this like vibe for me because of that.
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I would have moved to Alaska after seeing that movie. Alex, who's your four? um My number four I'm going to go with Norman Bates. Oh, I like it. but me me My number four is Jigsaw from the Saw movies. He's creative and we like creativity. We do.
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no matter No matter what level of work you are in. Alright, my number three was Jigsaw. Dang, okay, close. My number three is Michael Myers. My number three is Hannibal Lecter. Bob, my number two was Hannibal Lecter. Oh my gosh. We're so close to being best friends. My number two is Freddy Krueger. My number two is Michael Myers.
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Stop it. My number one is Michael Myers. Wow. So close. My number one is Hannibal Lecter. My number one is Ghostface. And I was gonna pick Ghostface, but it's like in every movie, it's a different Ghostface. Yeah, I know. Michael Myers, he's been killing people for like 500 years. I'm like, I've got to pick him for number one.
00:08:32
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Just because of his resume. His really good resume. All right. So, Christy, you and I had three out of four, at least on the same list. We did. Since none of us matched up anybody in the same spot, I'm going to go with who had at least the most overlap. So, Christy, you and I are best friends. Yay, Alex, you're like an okay friend, but Rob's my best friend. Alex, um step up your game. Come on, Alex. All right, you guys ready to jump into these
Iconic Scenes and Parodies Discussion
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rounds? Let's do it. Round one, best cast. Well, Scream stars Neve Campbell. She plays Sydney Prescott. Wes Craven had seen Neve Campbell in Party of Five and asked her to audition for the part. He believed she could portray a character who was quote unquote innocent, but who could also realistically handle herself while dealing with the physical conflict and emotions required by the role and get some other names that were offered the role, Molly Ringwald, Claire Danes, Reese Witherspoon. And then we have Melissa Joan Hart, Brittany Murphy, Alicia Witt, Melanie Lynskey, Holly Marie Combs and Melinda Clark all auditioned for this role. Reese, I think I could see it. She has like that like innocent persona. You almost look at her character transformation and cruel intentions, how she went from like the innocent to the hardened, tough girl. Like, I think she could have done it. I mean, Nev Campbell was great, though, and continue to be great throughout all the other movies. So worked out. Courtney Cox, she plays Gail Weathers. Hey, Rob, there's our friends connection. There's the friends connection right off the bat. Courtney Cox approached production to pursue the role. She was interested in playing a character different than her nice friends image. I'd say she did a good job there.
00:10:10
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All of the Gail, Sydney stuff through this whole movie, it's really good. And then the Gail Dewey stuff adds some of the comedy to it. Her character, it was so different than Monica, and I think she just crushed it. There was that one part when she's talking to her cameraman, and I feel like a little bit of Chandler Bing snuck in there. They're talking about like ah something to do with the murders. She asked him, do you know what that could do for my book sales? And I was like, ooh, You spent a lot of time with so janley Matthew Perry right there. Brooke Shields was nearly cast after Janine Garofalo turned out the role. Elizabeth Berkeley also auditioned. Jesse Spano. We have Skeet Ulrich. He plays Billy Loomis. That dude just looks like a serial killer.
00:10:55
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No, he doesn't. but What kind of name is Skeet? He's like a hot 90s guy. He had the hair. Okay, Rob, in the 90s, we were all like going to CVS on Friday nights before TGIF started, and we were going to buy like Tiger Beat and Teen Beat, and you would go and get the best magazine that had like the best posters in it to hang on your wall. And it was always the guys with the hair.
00:11:20
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that Billy Loomis has. He just, he has the look of like the hot nineties guy. He doesn't look like a serial killer. I watched this movie and I'm like, Sydney, this is the most obvious serial killer. He's the dad from Riverdale. All right. I'll take your word for it, Christie, because he had good hair. He was not a serial killer. He had like a grunge look. So if Christy is ever on the jury for a murder case, all you have to do is make sure your hair looks good and she will not convict you. Yeah, just look like a 90s Tiger Beat cover boy. Wear a white t-shirt, have one strand of hair hanging down and angle your chin down and look up. Innocent.
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Well, Leonardo DiCaprio screen tested for this part and Joaquin Phoenix turned down this part. Can you imagine Leo in this role? No, that would have been right before Titanic, right? Yeah, I think he yeah made the right choice. Good for you, Leo. Matthew Lillard, he plays Stu. He was cast by chance after accompanying his then girlfriend to an unrelated audition. The casting director saw him in the hallway and asked him to audition for the part. Right. Plays right time. Lillard is so funny in this movie. is Perfect. Like nobody else could play this part. I like him in almost every single thing that I've ever seen him in. But he is perfect. And he helps make this movie what it is. It's always referred to as a horror comedy. Well, he's 90 percent of the comedy he makes it. He's also, if you think about it, the scarier of the two killers, because Billy, despite saying he didn't have a motive, had a motive. Yeah, he did. Lillard was just like, I just want to kill people. He just liked it. He's like, this is how you gut people. Let me just tell you about it. I love the video store scene with him and Randy because all of his stuff with Randy is so funny. And he just does these different voice inflections that are really good, where he's just like, if you were the only suspect in a senseless bloodbath, would you be standing in the horror section? It was just a misunderstanding.
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He didn't do anything. You're such a little lap dog. He's got killer printed all over his forehead. OK, really? Why the cops let him go, smart guy? He just has so many little moments and like even just says things under his breath. I'm very happy he's in this movie. What do you think about the final scene in the kitchen where things are going downhill and like those are like his funniest lines?
00:13:38
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Oh, my gosh, so funny. Some of the best lines of the movie are when he's just like dying. Yeah. Well, Freddie Prinze Jr., he auditioned for the role of Stu. That was the right choice. Roger L. Jackson provides the voice of Ghostface. There's not many more famous quotes then. What's your favorite scary movie?
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It transcends this movie. Even people that don't know this movie know that. If you've never seen it, you you know the lines. Yeah. Wes Craven described it as an intelligent and evil voice that would become irreplaceable to the Scream franchise.
00:14:16
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Tatum, just get it in the car. Hello, Sydney. And then of course the Ghostface costume, you see it everywhere throughout the movie as like for foreshadowing with other people wearing it, just like the idea that someone just bought it at like a spirit Halloween, yeah like anyone can buy it. So then like who really is the killer? That whole part is actually pretty brilliant. So originally though, the robe was supposed to be white to make him appear more like a ghost, but it was changed in fear of people comparing the costume to the ones that the members of the KKK wear. So. That was probably a good call. yeah The mask was based on a few things. First thing, the painting Scream by Edward Mook, the characters on the cover of the Pink Floyd album The Wall, and the ghostly characters that appeared in the 1930s Betty Boop cartoon. Nice. Yeah, I looked those up and it tracks. Alex, did you know that, you know, so everyone calls the killer Ghostface, but that costume when Dewey holds it up, it's actually called Father Death. Ooh, I kind of like that. I like Ghostface. As of 2023, Ghostface has become the best selling Halloween costume of all time. I have it. Who else? Ooh.
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Yep. Audio medium, but Christie is holding up the ghostface mask and it's still scary. So this is my son's and he's never seen the movie. He's 12, which is crazy because I was 12 when that movie came out. Oh, wow. Still to this day, if I'm walking on Halloween and I see somebody in a ghostface costume, I pause and I'm like, is this person going to try to attack me? I mean, there's always a chance. What are the costumes that really make you pause and think this could be real?
00:15:49
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Michael Myers. That's a good one. Alex. Elsa. Alex is like anybody. Alex is like, I don't go out on Halloween for that. No, I think they say look out the window like, OK, where are we at? David Arquette plays Dewey Riley. Dewey was originally supposed to die from the stab wound to his back. But the screen test audience loved Dewey so much that Wes Craven decided to add his survival scene in the final cut. Good call. i love Yeah, he had some good parts, good out comic relief. You look awfully young to be a police officer.
00:16:18
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I'm 25 years old. You know, in a demographic study, I proved to be most popular amongst males 11 to 24. I guess I just missed you. If you'll excuse me. I'm sorry. Am I keeping you? If I may say so, Miss Weathers, you are much prettier in person. So you do watch the show. I'm 25. I was 24 for a whole year. Yeah, that was so funny.
00:16:42
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I like when they're just walking, it's kind of a dad joke, but he just says to her, do you know what that constellation is? And she's like, no, what is it? And he was like, no, I don't know, I was asking. yeah They're cute together. David Arquette and Matthew Lillard were also considered for the role of Billy Loomis. Arquette was also considered for the role of Stu. They ended up where they should be. And David Arquette was married to Courtney Cox from 1999 to 2013. Jamie Kennedy. He plays Randy Meeks. I love Randy in this movie. Like I love how everybody keeps trying to like blame everything on Randy. They're like, it was probably just Randy playing a joke. Randy's just like minding his own business like living his life working at the video store. I like Randy a lot I think it might be our first introduction to him and he's talking about how he has to work at the video store and they're like I thought they fired you oh yeah and he's like twice
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You know, he got fired for like just watching too many of the movies or something. Right. He probably like put on a horror movie in the video store and they're like, you can't play like a rated R slasher movie. I love the Stu Randy interactions. I think their chemistry together is really good. That same video store scene, Randy says to Stu. Now that Billy tried to mutilate her, do you think Sid would go out with me?
00:17:56
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No, I don't at all. No. He's trying to shoot his shot. She should have gone with Randy. Seth Green, Breckenmeyer, and Jason Lee all auditioned for that role. Okay, Seth Green would have been good with this.
00:18:09
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Jamie Kennedy and Seth Green are like almost interchangeable to me. Yeah, they are. Drew Barrymore. She plays Casey Becker. She doesn't really get much screen time. But man, does she make an impact. So she's probably the most well-known actor in the entire cast at the time. And she was originally cast as Sidney Prescott. But then she insisted that if she played Casey, it would make the audience think anything could happen. Barrymore was still given top billing and a prominent appearance on the poster to mislead the audience.
00:18:36
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I remember it was such a big deal when people started finding out that she died like right away. Yeah. But I mean, that opening, she makes the most of that 20 minutes. That was perfect. It really was. That was a great opening scene to the movie. Well, last but not least, we have Henry Winkler, who plays Principal Arthur Henry. I don't know if you notice this, but when he opens his closet in his office, you can see his black leather jacket that he wore when he played Fonzie. That's a nice little touch. And then when he turns and he scares himself in the mirror, he begins to fix his hair just like the Fonz did back in Happy Days. I'm a big ah Henry Winkler fan. When he loses it on those two kids that were doing like the Ghostface prank in the hallway, I don't think you can talk to kids like that anymore. I don't think so either. I mean, he died, so it didn't really matter. That was a quick expulsion, too. He's just like, uh, you're expelled. But can you really do that? Yeah, they go through a lot more red tape than that these days. All right, let me talk to you about the cast of I Know What You Did Last Summer. We have Jennifer Love Hewitt as Julie James. She was one of the 90s IT girls. Love Hewitt. So good at screaming.
00:19:40
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We bring this show up a lot on this, but that Boy Meets World episode, when they were doing like the horror movie parody, and then there were Sean, this was when Jennifer Love Hewitt was dating Wilfred Elle, who played Eric Matthews, and she plays Jennifer Love Pfeffernan. But she does that that scream throughout that whole thing. It has such a distinct sound to it. Melissa Joan Hart turned down the role of Julie, so she was considered in both these movies. We also have Sarah Michelle Geller. She plays Helen Shivers, another 90s it girl, and she actually appeared in Scream 2. So she kind of did a crossover here. Jennifer Love Hewitt and Sarah Michelle Geller each auditioned for each other's parts. Ryan Felipe plays Barry Cox. So Reese Witherspoon initially auditioned for I Know What You Did Last Summer, but decided to turn it down. She did, however, recommend her then boyfriend Felipe, which is what led to him being cast. We've got Freddie Prinze Jr. as Ray Bronson. You may know Freddie Prinze Jr. from our She's All That episode, or if you've just watched his movies. Alex, you and I spoke about this in our episode on She's All That when he tells that high school kid to hoover it. yeah And we questioned if that was a real saying. He has another random saying in this movie. At one point they're trying to leave and he's like, let's blow. Doesn't specify where or what they're blowing. He just says, let's blow. Was that a nineties saying? Like, I don't remember that. I don't know. I don't remember that ever being a big thing, but maybe Freddie just like mixes up expressions in his head and then says them so confidently that directors and editors are just like, yeah, let's keep it in. Maybe that's going to catch on. Whatever the kids say these days.
00:21:20
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Sarah Michelle Geller and Prince became good friends after meeting on this film and they later fell in love and married. We have Johnny Galecki as Max. He was in The Big Bang Theory, also in Christmas Vacation. Check out our episode on that. He was such a tool in this movie. It was so annoying. Back on the show, Bridget Wilson as Elsa Shivers. She played Veronica Vaughn. Miss Veronica Vaughn.
00:21:44
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In our Billy Madison episode, we talked about how she had like a three or four year run where she was in like a couple of big movies. This was getting towards the end of that run. Muse Watson plays Ben Willis, aka the fisherman killer. Our parents probably know him as Mike Franks from NCIS. So writer Kevin Williamson's father had been a fisherman in real life and wore a slicker similar to that of the killer. That's what inspired this outfit.
00:22:11
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Oh, Alex, what do you got for connections for us this week? This week, I just want to talk about Scream. Scream is one of the most meta movies ever made. I'm going to give you my top 10 Easter eggs and connections from Scream to other horror movies. Number one, when Casey's parents come home to find something wrong, her father tells her mother to go to the Mackenzie's, which is the same thing that Laurie told Lindsay and Tommy to do in Halloween, of which Scream contains many references. 2. When talking to Ghostface, Casey says that the first Nightmare on Elm Street is great, but the rest suck, which is the one that Scream director Wes Craven also directed. 3. When Billy climbs through Sydney's bedroom window scaring her, Glenn did this to Nancy in A Nightmare on Elm Street. The song that plays in this scene is an acoustic cover of Don't Fear the Reaper, which also played in Halloween. 4. Joseph Whipp
00:23:01
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plays the sheriff in Scream and he plays a cop in Nightmare on Elm Street. Writer Kevin Williamson said, the backstory I put in is that he was so upset by the events in Nightmare on Elm Street that he moved to a small town in Northern California. Number five, during the video store scene, a person asked Randy for the werewolf movie starring E.T.'s mom. The werewolf movie is The Howling starring Dee Wallace. Wallace also co-starred in one of Wes Craven's early films, The Hills Have Eyes. Additionally, Drew Barrymore played Gertie, the daughter of Wallace's character in E.T., The Extraterrestrial.
00:23:31
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Number six, Tatum wears a number 10 jersey. The same kind of shirt Johnny Depp's character Glenn wore in West Craven's A Nightmare on Elm Street. Number seven, one very obvious nod to the classic horror film Halloween is Sydney's boyfriend's last name, Loomis. This references Dr. Samuel Loomis, who was Michael Myers' psychiatrist. Number eight, Tatum mentions that this is starting to sound like one of those Wes Carpenter flicks.
00:23:54
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This is a mashup of Wes Craven and John Carpenter, who directed Halloween. Number nine, the opening 12 minutes of the Scream pay intentional homage to one of Wes Craven's favorite films, When a Stranger Calls. And number 10, the reporter who says people want to know they have a right to know is Linda Blair, who starred in another classic horror film, The Exorcist.
00:24:14
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And for a fun bonus, Wes Craven plays the janitor Fred and is dressed up as Freddy Krueger wearing a red and green striped sweater. These are the actual clothes from a nightmare on Elm Street. Yeah, I mean, there's even more just in references and things, but those are some really good ones, Alex. The janitor was funny, too. All right, Christy, before you decide who wins best cast, I just want you to remember. Oh, here we go. Back to the 90s, which cast was more apt to draw people to the theater and also ah no nepotism. Just going to throw that out there.
00:24:47
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I decided this before we even talked at all, and I based this on me, what I thought the best cast was. And for me, it's, I know what you did last summer. Let's go. What led you to that? Because the four friends are the best of the best of the 90s. Yeah. I mean, just like all the movies that those four were in, in the 90s, they're just iconic. Cruel Intentions is one of my absolute favorite movies, okay? Can't Hardly Wait, one of my favorite movies. Scream does have a great cast, but they're just kind of random. You know, it's just kind of like, okay, here's like Henry Winkler, and here's like Drew Barrymore for five seconds. And like, they're great. And I love all of the characters in that movie. And I love the way it was cast.
00:25:31
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I think that the people that they chose for each character was perfect, but the actual cast, I gotta give it to. I know what you did last summer. I love it and I can't disagree with that. The 90s nostalgia is high and I know what you did last summer. All right, we are one to nothing. I know what you did last summer leading into round two, best moments.
00:25:54
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Before either of us get started, I really can't watch either of these movies anymore without thinking of scary movie and how well they parodied every single scene. Is scary movie the best movie ever made? It might be. It's just like we did that movie almost a year ago and it's so funny that now when you watch the actual scenes that it's making fun of, just how spot on it is in it. All right. Tell us about the best moments from screen. So before we get into the first scene, just in order to keep Drew Barrymore scared and crying in that scene, Wes Craven told her real life stories of animal cruelty because she has a known animal lover. Isn't that crazy? That's evil. One way to get it done.
00:26:36
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You obviously cannot talk about scream without talking about the opening scene. It starts fast and it just keeps going for about 20 minutes. You got Drew Barrymore home alone. The phone rings. We think it's a wrong number and then just keeps calling and calling and it gets scarier and scarier. The movie is just immediately scary. You're tense, you're on edge. Every time the camera app pans, you're like waiting to see someone. And, you know, the lines that we've talked about, like when he asks, what's your favorite scary movie? But for me, it's when he follows up to one of her questions and he says, you never told me your name. Why do you want to know my name? I want to know who I'm looking at. What did you say?
00:27:16
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I want to know who I'm talking to. well That's not what you said. What do you think I said? That for me is like when you're just like, oh boy, like here we go. After seeing this movie, I don't know if I ever wanted to answer the phone again. It was like this and the ring. Right. Right when they call and say seven days. being That's why I don't pick up my phone. So don't try and call me. And then also, just like when Drew Barrymore is trying to escape, well, she sees her boyfriend and then that leads to his death ultimately. And then she confronts Ghostface and then she tries to run away. But when the parents get home, she can't talk to them because she's her lung has probably collapsed from where he stabbed her. And the the parents go to and make a phone call, but she's already on the line and they can hear everything happening through the phone.
00:27:59
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She's getting dragged and they just hear that. Oh, my gosh. I hate it so much. And like from their perspective, like what if we left three minutes earlier from where we were and then just seeing her like hung up on the tree afterwards? Also, this is our introduction to the killers and how scary they are and terrifying.
00:28:16
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But then also when they finally confront Casey and you see that they're also clumsy and it can be hit, which was a different scope for a horror movie. I mean, you weren't really seeing the bad guys in horror movies getting beat up at all. So you're watching this for the first time and she's able to fight back and knock them down or they'll trip or throw something at them. And it kind of lets you in on, it's a horror movie, it's a slasher movie, but it's different than what you're going to expect.
00:28:43
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Yeah, you're used to the invincible killer who's, they're always there. You run, they walk, they beat you to where you're going. It kind of like gives you a little bit of hope. She's like, oh, like maybe she's going to get away. Like, look at her go. And then ultimately, it's not. I do think that the Scream opening, it's one of the most iconic movie opening scenes of all time. Alex, do you have a list of your top iconic opening scenes?
00:29:06
Speaker
I do. I have a top five iconic opening movie scenes. Honorable mention, Up and the Lion King. Up's opening might be the saddest cinematic work of all time, and the opening beats of Circle of Life are unmistakable to any 90s kid, concluding with Rafiki holding Simba up.
00:29:23
Speaker
ah so and yeah Nice. And we've all done that to our kids, correct? Yes, kids. OK. Just checking. Yeah. All right. Number five in glorious bastards. I'm pretty sure Christoph Waltz won the Oscar with this scene alone. His character switch from reasonable to evil adds to one of the most tense scenes that immediately hooks you into the movie. So good. It is. And then like it's so depressing, but so good. And the acting is unbelievable. The guy that he's talking to his eyes. It's some of the best like eye acting you'll ever see.
00:29:55
Speaker
Number four, scream. This scene single-handedly saved the slasher genre in the 1990s. The first time people saw it, no one expected Drew Barrymore's role to end here and made the audience feel like no one was safe. What's your favorite scary movie became one of the most well-known lines in cinema history. Number three, Jaws. The score is amazing and the camera angles create such a sense of horror without ever showing the shark. It made swimming in the dark a nightmare to many still to this day.
00:30:22
Speaker
Yeah, I won't do it. Especially in the ocean. Like, oh, thanks. Number two, Indiana Jones and the Raiders of the Lost Ark. Another Spielberg movie makes a list and for good reason. All the booby traps are great, but the switching of the golden idol with a sack of sand is excellent. The moment of relief followed by the boulder chase is what movies were made for.
00:30:39
Speaker
and number one, The Dark Knight. They released the scene early to show fans that, yes, Heath Ledger could pull this off. Rob, we must have watched this scene like 47 times in our dorm room before seeing the movie and countless times since, and it keeps getting better. The IMAX camera work, the clown mask, the background score. What a perfect introduction to the Joker in an unforgettable opening scene. You know what? I'm going to go watch it now.
00:31:02
Speaker
OK, back to stream after the killings, the school's on high alert and it seems like around every corner, kind just kind of waiting for something bad to happen because the music and the whole time is like it's so eerie the way they mix it in is great. But we got the two students who run down the hall with the ghost face masks, which like have some tack, please.
00:31:21
Speaker
But also it was a pretty cool foreshadowing because later on it's revealed that there's two killers and there's these two kids running down the hallway with them. And also too, I don't know if you guys felt this way, but if like you're not aware of the twist when the Fonz, the principal, he's reprimanding them and he's like being like a little too violent, you're kind of almost like, wait, wait, wait, is he involved with this in some manner? Oh, I feel like at some point you think everybody's involved. Yes. Yeah, you you want to make everyone look suspicious. The police chief has the same boots. Yeah. Every kid is a potential suspect. Right. and And that's the thing about like that costume. Anyone has access to it. It could be anyone. We did talk about the video rental store scene. There's a lot of finger pointing. I think it's really played off. Well, Matthew Lillard, I don't know about you guys, but did you ever suspect him before knowing the ending? No, I didn't. And when I was in middle school and I saw this movie for the first time, it comes to the part where, you know, it shows that they're like in on it together. And I just remember my little 13 year old mind was like full alone. You know, like when you think back to a movie, the first time you saw it, you just like remember certain parts. I'll never forget that part. And the garage part would take them. Those are the two things that stick out. Those two parts and Dewey licking the ice cream just. Dewey.
00:32:34
Speaker
Gotta love Dewey. Such an out of place scene. Anyway. um But yeah, I just like how that's in the video store scene when basically just is like it's Billy and then he turns around, he's right in his face. He grabs him. It's so good. I feel like everyone always suspected Billy. But that made it better because it's like the whole time they're trying to show that it's not him and then it is him. And then when you think back to like some of the scenes with the murder, you're like, how did that end? And you're like, oh, well, Matthew Lillard wasn't in that scene. You try to like piece it together. Like, was he in that scene? There is a breakdown of who did what in the Ghostface costume? It's really interesting to look at. Most of the film is like this final party, like that when everyone kind of goes over to Stu's house. It's the last like 40 something minutes. So the party scene that we're talking about near the end runs 42 minutes long and it was shot over the course of
00:33:21
Speaker
21 days and they filmed from sunset to sunrise. After it wrapped, the crew had T-shirts made that read, I survived scene 118. It really has so many different parts to it. We talked about the garage kill just with Tatum going into the garage to get a drink. Again, like she's just thinking it's someone goofing off at the party. Like obviously she does not suspect anyone. I can't see a doggy door without thinking of this scene.
Soundtracks and Plot Holes Humor
00:33:45
Speaker
I know the doggy door on the garage like that's a I don't think I've ever seen one probably no one's probably ever put one in since this movie doggy door garage door sales went way down just a bad idea don't do it I liked Randy in this when they're watching some movies like he's like the movie expert but there was one scene to where he explains the rules there are certain rules that one must abide by in order to successfully survive a horror movie number one you can never have sex um Number two, you can never drink or do drugs. It's a sin. It's an extension of number one. And number three, never, ever, ever under any circumstances say, I'll be right back. Because you won't be back. I'm getting another the beer. You want one? Yeah, sure. I'll be right back. Pretty iconic scene. And I don't know if you noticed, but like when he pauses the movie that they're watching, Halloween and Michael Myers has the knife raised up and he's kind of standing in front of the TV. So it looks like he's about to be stabbed, which is good use of cinematography right there. Yeah, that's good. Of course, this is to foreshadow a scene later on, which when Ghostface raises his knife to stab him. The part where Gail Weathers and the cameraman are kind of spying on the party with their camera and they're watching from the van. When Sydney is in the van with the camera guy and they're watching the feed and he's like, no, no, no, like you're fine. Like we just saw the the guy on screen and then they, he looks, opens the door and he looks at the front doors open and he's like, oh shoot, we're in a 30 second delay. And then he turns around and goes faces there and slashes. That was awesome, though. The camera delay was such a good use of something to create suspense. Right. Especially in a movie that like you kind of know what's going to you know, the people are just going to start getting killed. But the way they're they're able to use these like different techniques to create suspense is pretty impressive. And then we get to the reveal, the killer reveal where, as Christy, you said, your mind was blown. There's not one killer, but there are two killers, which I don't think anyone probably really saw coming. And I thought that was pretty genius of them to do. It would it did get kind of weird though, when they're going to pin it on Sydney's dad, he's their scapegoat. And so they have to like make it look real. So they're starting stabbing each other.
00:35:52
Speaker
Were they trying to kill each other? It feels like they were like a little like Stu puts his hand up and he's like, I remember not too deep to the side. the nu And then Billy goes in full and ah he's basically just like, oops. Yeah, right. I mean, obviously they're psychotic killers, so they lose it. But that's where you get the. I've been going with you, right? Take anymore.
00:36:13
Speaker
I feel a rosier! Is there some of the best Matthew Lewis? And then the phone rings and he goes, should I let the machine get it? That was really funny. Yeah. Sydney escapes and then she calls them on the phone, which is a great twist. And I love when Billy's like, keep her on the phone. He like throws the phone at him. And he's like, give me the phone, Dick!
00:36:36
Speaker
Yeah, speaking of that, I love that she turns the tables. That's also when Cinny tells them when she's talking to them on the phone that she called the cops and Stu's like, you know, we call the police. You're sorry. My mom and dad.
00:36:51
Speaker
Yeah. Um, another fun little fact about Randy. So when he's in the living room by himself, he's watching Jamie Lee Curtis in Halloween and you can hear him yelling, look behind you, Jamie, repeatedly. But at the same time, ghost faces behind him as the killer is behind Jamie Lee Curtis in the movie he is watching.
00:37:08
Speaker
So like his name is Jamie Kennedy. Her name's Jamie Lee Kearney. So he's like, turn around, Jamie. Turn around, Jamie. Like the killer's right behind him. And it's just like everyone is screaming. You turn around, Jamie. Yeah, right. And even like, yeah, when they're watching in the van, they're like, turn around, turn around. That's pretty great. The entire ending is great and flies by. him It's 40 minutes, but it zooms by. When you consider like the opening scene and then like that final section, like yeah the movie does like really fly by. All right. Let me talk about my favorite moments from I Know What You Did Last Summer.
00:37:38
Speaker
Right off the bat, not a scary opening. Compared to Scream, the opening, it sets things up. There's a little bit of suspense towards the end, but it's not a very scary vibe. I do think it's a good intro to the characters, and they kind of each gave them their moment to shine a little bit. You know, the first, like, 25 minutes, it's all one big intro. You've got Sarah Michelle Geller competing in the croaker beauty pageant fisher girl thing, whatever it is. I don't know. then just them partying on the beach together, get an insight into their friendship. So then they're, you know, Barry as Barry does as barry drinking a little too much. He can't drive. Freddie's driving and then ah bam, they hit somebody.
00:38:19
Speaker
But that road where they're driving is actually the same location used in the Alfred Hitchcock movie, The Birds, which I thought was a fun little fact. Creepy movie. First off, so Phillip is hanging out the sunroof and he's just being an idiot. And so they hit the person because he drops his bottle, his like handle on Freddy and they hit the guy. But the guy hits the roof, flies up and then hits Barry, who's hanging out the sunroof. No injury to Barry when a person just flew into his face? No. He's like covered in blood. But it's not his. Yeah, he's like, it's not my blood. I'm like, how do you know that? Yeah, that's a good, yeah. It's not my blood. He's like, this tastes like A positive. yep Oh my gosh, that's great.
00:39:01
Speaker
But then their whole conversation after they hit the guy, I mean, I love it because it sets up the movie, but it's very silly. He's like, we can't call the cops. Everybody smells like alcohol. And it's like the cops aren't going to go off of a smell test. They're never going to believe I wasn't driving. You got blood on your face. I think it'd be pretty obvious you weren't driving. Like right. And then he just, he's getting so mad. We make a pact right here. Now we take the sorry grave. Great. Julie.
00:39:30
Speaker
Don't you noise your head, you f***ing say it! Yeah, okay. We take this to our grave! Let me hear it! Let it go, Barry! You f***ing say it. Okay, Barry, we take this to the grave.
00:39:43
Speaker
They dispose of the body, but then he's alive. He like grabs the crown. He's opens his eyes, but then Barry dives in the water after him to get the crown back. It is what it is. And they're like, we're never talking about this again. Great. Fast forward a year later, Julie gets the letter. I know what you did last summer and just creates a snowball effect. We got a whole get the gang back together scene, which is always fun. I do have a question for you guys. Why did he target Julie first? Like, why was she the first one to get the note? I think it's because she would take it the most seriously. She was the one who was like, let's call the cops. And she wanted to be honest about it. And so she had probably more of a guilty conscious about it than the others. The guy was clearly semi conscious when they were having that conversation. And if he was listening at all, he would have known that she was the one that was like, no, like this is wrong. What we're doing is wrong. Like I just feel like he would have went after Barry first and been like, you're in a hole. You're going to die. But he picked the screen queen and yeah that's fine. It's fine.
00:40:40
Speaker
But he's a psycho, so he probably was just trying to make her feel worse. That's true. There we go. That's why you're the horror expert. The biggest jump scare I got in the movie was when JLH and SMG go to the sister's house. They think that the killer is someone related to this guy, and they go to the sister's house, and they're like looking in the window. Then they have the conversation and leave, and they're sitting there talking. And then she comes and bangs on the window because they forgot their cigarettes. That was the biggest jump scare I got in the whole movie.
00:41:10
Speaker
Another one to point out, we've got Max. He gets killed and put in a trunk with a ton of crabs on him, which is just a mean... Not only was there a dead body in your trunk, now it's gonna smell like crabs? Come on. like why Apparently that scene was thrown in because the producers thought that the movie needed more deaths.
00:41:29
Speaker
And like when you think of it that way, you were like, oh yeah, it did kind of feel a little forced. Yeah, it did. Like what did Max do? Just because he was annoying. So after Julie finds Max's body, a blue and white truck drives by and honks at her. Then later on, after Barry's death, when Helen is driving home with the cop, they stop in the alley where the fisherman is seen next to the same blue and white truck. So this is supposedly supposed to show how he was able to clean out Max and those crabs so fast because he was there. OK.
00:41:56
Speaker
Because I was wondering that. I'm like, how? How did you get the crabs out so fast? I still have questions. The final scene is decent. They don't really do a whole like the killer explains why he's doing it. They kind of figured it out, but the killer never really addresses it, which I think it makes sense because in real life, I don't think a killer would explain why he was doing things. I think he would just like kill the people. But as a viewer, I kind of was like, oh, I wanted him explaining why he, I mean, like, I guess we know because they hit him and tried to kill him, but there was more into it than that. It was pretty deep, yeah. But I did really like, so they kill the killer, kill in quotations, then everything goes back to normal minus the people that are dead. I do really like the ending. She's at college again. Julie's back to being her old happy self. She goes in the shower. It's all steamy. She sees on the glass, I still know what you did last summer. And then there's the pop out. It was a good ending to set up a sequel. But then the next movie doesn't start with that. And I'm like, wait, we have to forget about the last five minutes of this movie? This is why you write the sequel while you're writing the first one. Yeah. All right, Christy. Best moments. Who's winning? Scream 100%. No contest there. I don't even have anything to say to that. Yeah, no notes.
00:43:12
Speaker
Scream is just filled with iconic moments. moving on All right, one to one heading into round three, better title or soundtrack. Scream was originally titled Scary Movie. The term Scary Movie is mentioned a total of five times. Um, I'm glad they didn't go with Scary Movie, but I don't know if that's because I just associate Scary Movie with the parody. 100%. Scream is so much better. Okay, so at the start of the film, when Sydney and Billy are together, we hear Don't Fear the Reaper, which is playing as kind of like a foreshadow hint that Billy is in fact the killer, which is one of those things, of course, you don't know until afterwards. Yeah. And maybe on a rewatch. Matthew Lillard does say it's a scream at the end. You know, I like titles in the movie. Just some of the music that was used. Besides the score, we have Moby. We got Schools Out by Alice Cooper, which was pretty funny since but school was suspended. And then like the big song from the movie is called Red Right Hand, which is by Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds. It's just known as like the scream song. Yeah. Which if you listen to it by itself, it's kind of like whatever. But in context of the movie, It's like, well done. And then the score is done by Marco Beltrami. I thought it was good. Yeah, it's good. I know what you did last summer. The title comes from the note that Julie receives. And also it was the title of the novel. So pretty straightforward. The music we've got Hush by Kula Shaker, an offspring song.
00:44:37
Speaker
And then, uh, depending on how patriotic you are, we'll decide if you go with my movie for this or Alex's because in, I know what you did last summer, we have stars and stripes forever, America, the beautiful, and you're a grand old flag because the movie centers around the July 4th holiday. So, uh, Christie, I guess we'll see how much you love America um by your answer here. Also in the beginning of. I know what you did last summer when they're driving. A song called DUI is playing. Oh, interesting. I didn't pick that up. That's cool. We also get a Hey Bulldog. It's a cover, but it was originally a Beatles song. So, okay, you guys are gonna maybe be surprised by this.
00:45:14
Speaker
but I've always thought the title scream was stupid. I don't like it. I like the title, I Know What You Did Last Summer, and I like the music better. There you go. I like scream and that it's just one word, but I don't think the title actually fits. It doesn't. I like with I Know What You Did Last Summer, what they could do with the sequels too. Like I still know what you did last summer and scream, it's just like scream, scream two, scream three. And they scream more and I know what you did last summer.
00:45:41
Speaker
Very cool. I know what you did last summer. Takes a two to one lead heading to round four, plot holes, cringiness, random questions. All right, Alex, I got some plot holes for you about scream. What? Why does nobody ever call the police in certain situations in horror movies? I know that's a trope, but it's like, just call the cops.
00:46:01
Speaker
It's like just because like Dewey is always around, they feel like they don't need to call the cops, but Dewey's not doing anything. He's like following Gale around. No, he's trying to get some. He is. Oh, totally. But even like Casey in the beginning, I know they like threw a line in there where they're like, don't hang up, but like just hang up and call 911 and like go hide. You know your house better than anybody else. Go hide. Call 911. Because he's like, oh, they'll never get here in time. how do you know Also, not a lot of locked doors. If you knew like a serial killer was on the loose targeting you, like aren't you locking doors more? I always lock my doors. If you're gonna break into my house, you're gonna have to make a noise getting into it. So when they first catch Billy and they have the cell phone on him and they're like, oh, we're not gonna be able to track these call records till tomorrow.
00:46:45
Speaker
They would have been able to do it way faster. If this was a murder suspect, they could call somebody at a higher level. Like also, at what point does like the FBI start getting involved right away with that type of gruesome murder? I don't think it's going to be left up to Deputy Dewey and like the ragtag bunch from a woodsboro.
Debating Story Quality and Final Rankings
00:47:04
Speaker
If this stuff was going on and you're Sydney, why would you ever be alone? Wouldn't you just be like, I'm going to go and lock myself in the police station? Well, like when her dad leaves and then she like takes a nap and then she goes outside.
00:47:15
Speaker
Oh my gosh, when she takes a nap. Every time I watch that scene, it's like daytime, but there's still a little creepiness. And then she falls asleep and she wakes up and it's dark. That is so scary to me, that whole sequence. But it's like, you know, these people were really murdered. Why are you doing this? Anyway, so Sydney goes into the bathroom and she hears her name and then she just like hangs out there, like waiting to see, like, did I really hear my name? Just run. Yes, at school. Just run away, girl. Yeah, no kidding. Also, my guess would have been that that was Stu in the bathroom. But do you think he was just in there the whole time? Like just and like, how did he know she was going to show up in there? That's what? Yeah, that's what I was going to say. So it's like, do you think Stu was just like he asked his teacher to go to the bathroom and took like the hall pass with him and was just like waiting in the bathroom for like an hour. And he just spent like 45 minutes in the bathroom. Then like he goes back to class and he's like, where were you? And he just like had his costume. Like he just was like carrying his costume on his hoodie or something.
00:48:11
Speaker
So there's that scene where Ghostface is kind of like following them around town, but not doing anything. And we see him stalking them and like watching them at the grocery store. What's he doing? Like, why are you walking around in broad daylight and he's in like costume costume in a grocery store? Everybody can see you, sir.
00:48:29
Speaker
This goes to a point that you said earlier, but why didn't more people freak out when seeing the actual ghost face? I'm thinking of Tatum specifically. She knows that there's a a real ghost face. She knows that he's targeting her friends and yet she's in the garage and she's like, oh, Randy, stop playing this prank. And it's like, why is that where your head would have gone? Right.
00:48:50
Speaker
In the end, when Billy and Stu reveal their grand plan to Sydney and they talk about how they're going to kill her and all this stuff, they decide to stab each other before they kill her. Like, why? If you were murderers, you would have just killed her first and then stabbed each other to make it look fine. Yeah, they had to like reveal the plan to her. And then like, Cindy, here's the plan. Now we're going to stab each other a little bit. You just hang out there. Just watch us. a away Just make sure we do it right. Can you get some rubbing alcohol? Actually, we want to sanitize this knife. Don't worry. It's your turn next. ah Cringiness. Don't pressure your girlfriend into sex, especially if you're a murderer. I mean, no, just don't pressure your girlfriend it's into sex ever. Just period. And don't be a murderer. That's bad. All right, Alex, random questions. So in that first scene with Billy, he breaks into Sydney's room to like try to guilt trip her into hooking up. And at the end, she's like, I appreciate the romantic gesture.
00:49:47
Speaker
Is it a romantic gesture to break into your girlfriend's room and guilt trip her into it? No. He had no game. That guy is a walking red flag. And he was like, yeah it's been a year, get over your mother's death. Yeah. You guys, it's the hair. it's It's the hair. He could say things and do things. And like, you know what? When you're that age, you're dumb.
00:50:08
Speaker
So, that scene where Sydney opens the door and you see the ghost face mask and it's revealed that it's just Dewey holding it up. Why? Why is he holding it up facing the door in that direction? Because he's Dewey. A bunch of the high school kids are real excited when they see Gale and they're like, we watch your show every day. Like, high school kids don't watch the news. No. You know what always bothered me? I know that it was a different actor that did the voice over the phone, but it always bothered me at the end when Billy and Stu took turns with the voice changer and it didn't sound like the voice on the phone. Yeah. It didn't, did it? No. It's just very clearly not the same person that was talking on the phone. I wonder why they didn't just use one of them. Or like, why couldn't they have just put in like dubbing to make it sound like the actual person? ah When Sydney runs away, she puts the costume on very quickly. But like, why did she put the costume on? Unnecessary. She was like, it's my turn.
00:50:58
Speaker
I feel like there's no hustle like on the non killers side. Yeah. yeah Yes. it's true And that's a huge thing. And I know what you did last summer, too. I feel like there's so little hustle, especially from Sarah Michelle Geller. Oh, for sure. I can't with these people.
00:51:13
Speaker
So they somehow capture Sydney's dad and keep him trapped for a few days. Were they like giving him water? Because like you would die if you didn't have water for three days, yeah right? Or like, where was he? Where did they keep them? Was he just in their house? I want a little bit more backstory of what they were doing with the dad. Where's everyone else's parents?
00:51:32
Speaker
That's what I got, Alex. What do you got for? I know. All right. So plot holes. Again, just call the cops. They hit the guy. I feel like you could work that out reasonably. It seems like they're in a very small town. They probably know all the cops anyway. Yeah. Don't leave them. Don't hit and run. Just work it out. You get some smart people in that group. That's not Barry. Yeah, here's one at near the end. um Why didn't Jamie just jump in the water when they were on the boat instead of like climbing through all the different parts? This is a great question because she's trapped on a boat with this killer. They're not that far offshore when they start going off. Just dive in the water and swim back. Yeah, like what freaked me and I kept putting myself in her position like if I was on that boat and she keeps opening up all these doors and going through all these little like tunnels. Yeah, you don't know where that leads to, you know, like what if it goes to like a boiler room or something and you like get your face fried off or like
00:52:23
Speaker
I don't know. You find your friend's dead bodies in an ice box. Ding, ding, ding. It could happen. A couple of cringy things. So a couple of things that looked very fake. The blood looks very fake. Also the ice. We just mentioned the ice where the two bodies were stored. It didn't look or sound like real ice. The sound is what really bothered me. All right. Just some questions. The psycho killer, he had very nice penmanship. It was not scary handwriting. Yeah. It was like a phone. He could have done something a little more creepy, right? Write it in blood or something. I thought the note was kind of cheesy. like I don't know if you're like a middle aged man and you're writing a note to a younger girl, like you're going to write like I know what you did last summer, exclamation mark. Hard over the eye. At least like do like the what's it called when you like cut out different letters from different magazines and stuff yes like that. Barry punches Ray with a cast and he was just fine.
00:53:13
Speaker
Both of them. Rey gets punched in the face with a cast and Barry does the punching and neither one of them like even really wins. Yeah, right. Come on. All right. So what was the girl's plan when they went to the sister's house? Like they're trying to break in. If they thought she was the killer, why would they put themselves in? I don't know. And she was scary. She was the scariest part of the movie. She was. She was like all alone and she had like blood streaks on her dress from killing or whatever she was chopping up and terrifying. Okay. So when Barry gets killed on the balcony, like wouldn't there be more signs of him having been gutted with a fish hook? Cause they all go up there and they're like, there's nothing here. You're crazy. And then there was like one drop of blood on like the handle. Yeah. Blood would have been everywhere. Um, the killer, he is quick and he walks everywhere.
00:53:57
Speaker
when they were walking into like the shivers store, when he was chasing Sarah Michelle Geller, when the sister was there, and he's just like slow mo, and she's like, Oh my gosh, Veronica Vaughn, open up the store, you know, and she's taking her time. Yeah, sorry. If my sister is like telling me that like something is terribly wrong, whatever, I'm gonna be like, you know, and she's just like all chill. I'm like, where's the sense of urgency here? Yeah, she like started to walk. She was like, oh, I forgot the key and like she's going so slow and this girl's clearly terrified. But also, I mean, what confidence by the fishermen to just walk so slowly through the heart of town right chasing a young girl and being like, no one's going to see this. And then he goes, I'll go around back. Yeah. He's like, I got this. I'll just hide under this little tarp thing. It's all good. That didn't seem like the best way for him to approach that. That scene was like a fun little scene, but there was so much in it that I was like, all of this is avoidable. There was no reason for him to hide as a mannequin. Like he's there to just kill people. Just go kill him. You've got the advantage here. Just do your thing.
00:55:02
Speaker
She's walking so slow when she finally gets to the alley. That's that same scene, right? She jumps out to the alley. Yeah. And she gets killed right next to the parade, which also if a parade was going on, there would have been people around the store. yep Right. Just like run to the people. She's like standing like, I don't know what to do. Just run in general. Come on, people. OK, what about all the fishermen wearing their fishing slickers in July, like especially during the parade scene? like ah Cause they're like, Oh, that's him. And then they're like, Oh wait, there's 25 other guys wearing it. Yeah. That was ridiculous. Yeah. One final thing, the fish hook. So it's only like one side of it has the hook. So like when he swings it, you have like a lot of opportunity to like counter-attack. Yeah. Especially the last fight between him and Freddie, like swings and misses a couple of times. But like when he does the big swing and his arms this way with the hook going this way, Freddie was close enough. You could have just like went. Oh yeah. And tackled him. Freddie could have handled them.
00:55:53
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Alright, you heard them all, Kristy. Which movie has more plot holes and questions which would give the other movie the point? This one is so tough, you guys. I'm gonna have to give it to I Know What You Did Last Summer because I think Scream has more plot holes. I think what did it for me for this one was just the fact that anytime somebody tried to fight back against Billy or Stu, somebody would like hit the door against them or like throw a beer bottle and they would like go flying across the room like they just got checked by an NFL player. Yes. That drove me nuts the whole movie. That is true. They would get hit with such a small object and it was like they got hit with a bullet. It's how my girls fight. I've got two daughters and that's how they fight. It's like over dramatic. Yeah. And maybe that's why I picked it. Love it. Because it's personal. Yeah, they can string someone up in a tree. Wow. We may be heading for the upset of the century. I know what you did last summer. Leads three to one. Heading into round five. Christy, I've got a couple rapid questions for you.
00:57:02
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Which movie had the scarier death scene? ah Scream, Tatum in the garage. Which killer disguise is scarier? Oh my gosh. Neither of them are really that scary. Go with Ghostface for this one.
00:57:14
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And which is the scarier movie? Scarier movie is, I know what you did last summer. Really? Yeah. It's more of a realistic plot line. Like there's less satire in it. So I feel like it could be more of a possible scenario, maybe without all of the plot holes and stuff. Interesting. But scream wins that round two to three. So round five goes to scream. Round six, better trivia.
00:57:41
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The high school scenes were supposed to be shot at Santa Rosa High School in California. However, very close to the start, the school board read the script and denied them. As payback director Wes Craven put in the end credits, no thanks whatsoever to the Santa Rosa City School District governing board. Gotta a love a little pettiness.
00:58:00
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And I know what you did last summer. The group goes to Dawson's Beach. This is a reference to Dawson's Creek, which, as stated, was written by Kevin Williamson. All right. The use of caller ID increased more than threefold after the release of Scream.
00:58:15
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So the exterior sequences of Julie's Boston College campus were in fact shot at Duke University. All right, Christy, we gave you a couple of trivia, which is better. Better trivia is scream. Yeah, the caller ID thing is really I like it when movies influence what happens in the culture. Oh, absolutely. So we are tied heading into round seven. Better story script or more fun.
00:58:41
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One thing about these two movies, I think you can tell a huge difference in the directors. You've got Wes Craven on the Scream side. There were just little touches throughout that I think show Wes Craven has been doing the horror movie thing a long time. To me, I i really did feel that I Know What You Did Last Summer was more of like Thriller and less horror, but maybe that's cuz the deaths were less gruesome But there was definitely some really good suspense in it. Let me put it this way I watched I know what you did last summer at nighttime and I was like, yeah, this is great I watched scream on my cell phone in the middle of the day and was still scared But really, I think when it comes to Scream, there's just so many layers in the movie that you can watch it 10 times and pick up new things each time. It's a very, very rewatchable movie because of the twist. But Christy, which movie did you think had a better script and was more fun? 100% scream. Yeah, the fact that it's so widely regarded as the meta commentary on slasher horror movies and does it so successfully. Yeah, there's a reason that it's regarded the way it is. Now, not taking anything away from I know you did last summer, still a really fun movie. a Great entry into the genre. But yeah, screams got to take this one.
00:59:58
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All right, there you have it. Scream wins this Halloween movie matchup. You want to get into the rankings? Yeah, let's do it. I'm going to give Scream an 85 and I'm going to give I Know What You Did Last Summer an 81. I'm going to give Scream a 90 and we're going to give I Know What You Did Last Summer an 86.
01:00:15
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I am going to scream in 88 and I know what you did last summer, a 77. That's a big difference. I honestly, I just, I can't watch. I know what you did last summer without thinking of the parody of it. Christy, thank you for joining us. We could not have done this without your expertise. Thank you for having me. Well, this has been the movie showdown with Rock and Rob. Make sure to like, subscribe, rate and review all that fun stuff. and follow us on all the socials, at Rock and Rob Show. Until next time, peace, I'm outta here. I'll be right back. That's good, you're really good at that, Alex.