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Cake Eater: The Mighty Ducks vs. D2: The Mighty Ducks
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With NHL playoffs starting, Rock & Rob thought it was time to lace up the skates and debate whether The Mighty Ducks (1992) or D2: The Mighty Ducks (1994) was the best movie of the beloved 90s hockey trilogy. They discuss everything from title confusion to the hockey powerhouse known as Iceland (?) as they put these movies through seven rounds of hard checking questions to determine which duck will fly highest. Quack, Quack, Quack, QUACK, QUACK!
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Introduction and Welcome
00:00:00
Speaker
Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention? Brothers don't shake hands. Brothers gotta hug. Your voice is like a combination of Fergie and Jesus. I don't want your life. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul. Okay, a simple wrong would have done just fine.
00:00:26
Speaker
What is up, everyone?
The Mighty Ducks Franchise Revisited
00:00:27
Speaker
And welcome to the movie showdown with Rock and Rob. My name is Rob Mansfield. And with me, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack, the Rockmeister himself. It's Alex Rockcline. Every time I hear the quack, I don't know about you, but I join in. 100% every time. Do you remember before my wedding, we quacked backstage? Yes. Yes, we did. Just in the back room there, a little quack, quack, quack. Go ducks. Do you think people heard us? I hope people heard us. Good times. Great times.
00:00:55
Speaker
Well, with hockey playoffs just starting, we thought it was only fitting to revisit a movie franchise that means so much to us, The Mighty Ducks. The Mighty Ducks franchise consists of three movies, a cartoon TV show, a Disney plus TV show that won two seasons, and just a strong place in both of ours, and I'm assuming many of your hearts.
00:01:14
Speaker
If you listen to this show, you'll know that Alex and I, along with our college friends Austin and Steve, refer to ourselves as the cake eaters. Obviously, that title stems from this movie. So, rock question of the week. How did we start referring to ourselves as the cake eaters? I think about this a lot. I always try to find like, what is the zenith? When did it start? Can you remember the exact moment or was it just like kind of organic?
00:01:39
Speaker
It definitely started early in our text chain. Yes. Cause I remember, you know, like you could rename the conversation and I remember one day I just got renamed cake eaters and everyone was like, yeah, so this is great. I think what happened is we were having a debate, something about the mighty ducks.
00:01:54
Speaker
And that put it in our minds. And I am spoiler alert, a Adam Banks loyalist. Yes. And since he was referred to as cake eater in the movie, I think I just refer to all of us as the cake eaters. It definitely did. He always joked about how we called ourselves that but never really understood the exact meaning. Obviously, we figured it was you can have your cake and eat it too type of thing. But in my research for this episode, I actually learned that the term cake eater
00:02:21
Speaker
is well known throughout Minnesota and refers to people who live in the city of Edina, a suburb of Minneapolis.
Which Mighty Ducks Movie is Better?
00:02:27
Speaker
A cake eater is saying a person who is so rich they can have their cake and eat it too, which we kind of deduced from that, but it also implies that the city wins so many tournaments that they always take the cake.
00:02:36
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I like that. I feel like when I first heard it in context of the movie, I just thought it was Jesse calling him privileged, which he was, because we find out that he's... He was always wearing the golf polos, and he lives in that part of town that was rezoned. I'm assuming that's a really nice part of town. Well, maybe we'll never completely remember how we started calling ourselves the Cake Eaters, but I'm happy we did.
00:03:00
Speaker
So when we were thinking about the Mighty Ducks franchise, we found ourselves very torn between if we thought one or two was the better, more fun movie, and thought it would be fitting to match them up in this week's showdown.
The Mighty Ducks Movie Summary
00:03:12
Speaker
It's also not unheard of for a sequel to surpass the original. Think of The Dark Knight, Godfather Part II, Empire Strikes Back, Terminator 2, even Paddington 2. I am not sure if that will be the case here with these two movies, but I don't know about you. I am excited to find out. Me too.
00:03:28
Speaker
Well, this week I will be representing the Mighty Ducks. Here's a summary for you, if for some reason you don't know, which thanks for listening. If you usually like some of our episodes, I will get comments. Oh, I'm going to go watch that before I listen. This is the case here. I don't know. Yeah. I feel like everyone should have seen this movie, but it's okay.
00:03:47
Speaker
Anyway, we've got a lawyer on community service who also happened to be the greatest 11 year old hockey player ever takes over coaching duty of a ragtag bunch of Minnesota kids. At first he doesn't care, but then he really doesn't care until he remembers his love for the game and or his urge to impress one of the hot moms leading those same kids who had never even scored a goal that season to a championship.
00:04:11
Speaker
That's it. I think that's pretty spot on. That's it. Released on October 2nd, 1992, directed by Steven Herrick. You may know him from Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure, written by Steven Brill. He actually wrote all three of the Mighty Ducks movies. He also wrote Heavyweights, which there's a bunch of crossover between the Mighty Ducks franchise and Heavyweights, and also Heavyweights, probably a movie showdown we may be dropping in the summer.
D2: The Mighty Ducks Summary and Highlights
00:04:35
Speaker
Oh, yes.
00:04:36
Speaker
Steven Brill directed some Sandler movies like Little Nicky, Mr. Deeds, a few of the Netflix ones. Steven Brill actually wanted Peter Berg, the director of Friday Night Lights the Movie and the creator of the TV show, to actually play Bombay. They were living together at the time, but was denied by Disney. Brill wanted a part for himself, and so he ended up getting cast as the lawyer that goes against Bombay in the beginning of the movie.
00:05:02
Speaker
Mighty Ducks had a budget of $14 million and a box office of $50.8 million. Rotten Tomatoes score of 23% and a Google audience score of 87%. Yeah, there we go. That's a huge disparity. That is, yeah. All right, so this week I will take D2, the Mighty Ducks summary. The Quack Attack is back. Bombay and the Ducks are asked to represent Team USA in the junior Goodwill games against
00:05:30
Speaker
Let me check. Hockey powerhouse Iceland, a country that has produced a whopping... Do you know how many NHL players are from Iceland? Well, based on what I saw in this movie, it has to be all of them. You would be close, but the answer is zero. Nice. They add a few new players to the team, a few new ducks, join the fold, Bombay become Super Hollywood. They break even more hockey logic on their way to yet another championship.
Favorite Movie Trilogies Draft
00:05:55
Speaker
This movie was released March 25th, 1994, just turned 30 years old. That makes me feel so old. It does, man. It really does. Directed by Sam Weissman, written by Stephen Brill. D2 had a budget of $10 million, so they make Mighty Ducks and they're like, yeah, we're not going to give you as much money. Well, Disney had to allocate most of their resources to actually starting the Mighty Ducks hockey team.
00:06:19
Speaker
Yeah. So they, they come up with a movie and then they're like, Hey, we should start a real team based on our movie. And then we should make another movie based on the real team, based on the original team that our movie was inspired by. Yeah. Good logic. So budget of $10 million box office brought in $45.6 million. Nice NATO score of 20% in a Google audience score of 86%.
00:06:39
Speaker
You can see both movies, Rotten Tomatoes and Google audience scores are within a couple points of each other. So it's not unheard of for people to debate which of these movies is better. Absolutely. So the Mighty Ducks trilogy is up there as one of our favorites of all time. I thought it would be fun to do a quick draft, trilogies, some rules. There can only be three movies in the series and the movies and characters can't be part of some extended universe. So no MCU movies, no Lord of the Ring, Hobbit crossover.
00:07:06
Speaker
Alex, you want to go first? You want me to go first? Uh, I'll go first. Ready? Go. First pick I will take back to the future. Great, Scott. That would have been my first pick too. I mean, it's hard to go against. I will take the Christopher Nolan Batman movies. New, solid. Although Batman, the character, is part of other movies, this version of the character is only part of this trilogy. You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
00:07:30
Speaker
I feel like I'm watching it right now, Rob. I will follow that up with The Mighty Ducks. Yeah. I gotta take the franchise we're talking about this week. Yeah, fair game. For my next pick, I'm going to take the Naked Gun trilogy. Those movies are just, they're just absolutely ridiculous and I'm a big Leslie Nielsen fan. Now they are coming out with a fourth one.
00:07:49
Speaker
Okay. Well, at the time of the draft, it is a trilogy. That's true. Okay. So my next pick, I'm going to go equally as ridiculous and I will go with the Austin Powers trilogy. Nice. With my next two picks, I am going to take the Major League franchise. Major League One is one of the best baseball movies ever.
00:08:07
Speaker
The whole trilogy is pretty good, and I will follow that up with the original Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles franchise. I was obsessed with those movies when they first came out. Me too. I actually have the VHSs of the first two right behind me. Oh, yes. They still hold up, watched them with my son recently. He loved it. Loved the line. Pizza dude's got 30 seconds.
00:08:33
Speaker
All right. Well, with my last pick, I'm going to, I don't know, it's probably weird that this is going to last cause we're talking about trilogies and most famous trilogy of all time. I'm going to go Jumanji. Yes. Counting the original like mid nineties, Robin Williams one with the, with the newer ones with the rock and Kevin Hart and Jack Black. The newer ones are like Evelyn's favorite movies. And I think it's hilarious that she loves them. So there we go.
00:08:56
Speaker
I typically don't do this just to prevent some internet backlash. We will have to give some honorable mentions. Okay. Yes, I know. Maybe three movies you've heard of. The Godfather trilogy. Obviously, I know that's probably the greatest trilogy of all time. I just had more fun picking the other movies. Yeah, I don't know if I've heard of that one before. Yeah, maybe check it out.
00:09:16
Speaker
Also, I'm sorry to friend of the pod Keanu Reeves that I didn't take the Bill and Ted trilogy. But I feel like we've taken a lot of Keanu movies in these drafts before. So I feel like if anyone would understand, it's our good close friend, our close personal friend. All right, let's get into these categories.
Exploring The Mighty Ducks Cast
00:09:34
Speaker
Round one, best cast.
00:09:38
Speaker
We have Emilio Estevez as Coach Gordon Bombay. Estevez is the son of Martin Sheen and the brother of Charlie Sheen. And in fact, before Estevez actually accepted the role, Charlie Sheen was offered and turned it down. Bill Murray was also considered but deemed too old. And the names I saw floating around Tom Cruise, Tom Hanks, Michael J. Fox were also
00:09:59
Speaker
considered. I don't know how believable that is. It's one of those things that the popular actors during that time are always linked to projects. I'm sure someone sent them the script, but who knows if they had even seen it. Out of all of those, Michael J. Fox, maybe? Yeah.
00:10:15
Speaker
Bill Murray would have worked if they kept it in the tone of the original script, which was much darker and emphasized Bombay's drinking. That's actually why his name is the combination of two famous gin brands, Gordon's and Bombay. Wow, that is very deep. That went over my head as a six year old. Yes, yeah.
00:10:34
Speaker
So in the flashback scenes, when we see Bombay as a kid, he's wearing number nine and his dad even calls him Gordy. This is a reference to Gordy, Mr. Hockey Howe, who also wore number nine in his NHL career for the Detroit Red Wings. One thing I know in that flashback, when he's gonna take the penalty shot, the goalie's mask, he's got that skull mask. That's pretty sweet. Yeah, that's really cool.
00:10:53
Speaker
So Bombay starts this film as like a hotshot lawyer. He claims to have a 30 and 0 record. Really, it's 30 and 1. Makes some like weird comment about scoring with the stenographer or something. Yeah, it was like very heavy like courtroom. Which I was like, okay, they put a lot into that. I feel like if a real lawyer watched that scene, though, they would be like, all of these words are real, but the way we're utilizing them in one sentence is not how you would do it. It doesn't mean anything, yeah.
00:11:19
Speaker
We've got another vanity license plate alert, Sylvester Stallone would be so proud. Bombay's Corvette has a just win plate. That Corvette was very unpractical for Minnesota winners. It would not handle Snow Well. No, especially when you're drinking. What I noticed on this watch was that Bombay was actually referred to as cake eater first before Adam Banks. Yes, I did notice that too, and I never picked up on that.
00:11:45
Speaker
So we have Joshua Jackson as Charlie Conway. He's kind of the central player that hooks Bombay. Bombay also had a romance with his mom. You either know Joshua Jackson from the Mighty Ducks franchise or as Pacey in Dawson's Creek. I feel like there's no in between. No, I absolutely agree. Alex, I got a pretty deep question for you. I'm ready. And this may be a little controversial, but is Charlie Conway the most overrated Mighty Duck? So here are some of my reasons why I even asked that question.
00:12:13
Speaker
So in Mighty Ducks 1, everybody calls him spazoid in spazway, which is very telling of his play. In the Pee Wee Final versus the Hawks, when Charlie draws a last second penalty shot, the refs tell Bombay he can pick any player to take the shot. In that moment, literally everyone on the team is like anyone but Charlie. At the end of D2, when Charlie offers to give up his roster spot so that banks can rejoin the team, no one argues with him.
00:12:37
Speaker
You'd think there'd be at least one person who was like, eh, maybe we sit the dude that can't stop or the puck hogging cowboy, but nope. Nope. From Bombay, there wasn't even a, Charlie, are you sure? Or anyone? He's just like, thank God. Yes. We also only see him score three total goals in the whole franchise. So he scores the penalty shot in D1 and two goals in D3. We barely even see him do anything in D2.
00:13:01
Speaker
I think he scores one goal in the roller hockey game. I'd say the unofficial roller hockey game. Yeah, great.
Charlie Conway: Overrated?
00:13:08
Speaker
Good for him. Also in the closing credits of Mighty Ducks One, his name is misspelled. He's listed as Charlie Conroy instead of his actual name, Charlie Conroy. I mean, the filmmakers didn't even care enough to spell his name right.
00:13:20
Speaker
I also, this is just more of a personality thing, but him being annoyed about the USA jerseys in D2 is so dumb. That bugged me big time when he's like, coach, this isn't right. We're the docs. And it's like the only reason you're playing right now is because you're on Team USA. It's like the most important jersey you could ever wear in your career. I know. It's ridiculous.
00:13:38
Speaker
Now he did come up with a clutch shot against the Hawks and he drew up a cool trick play against Iceland. He says he'd be a better coach than a player, which shows he has some good self-awareness. But I feel like when you just ask the casual fan, everyone's first thought is, oh, Charlie Conway, like he's, oh, he's the captain, the captain of the team. And I do agree. And I've, I've always thought this and I'm glad that like, when we, you know, when we were watching the movies just came up and I'm like, thank goodness, I'm not like the only one in the world who thinks this. But I did think, cause when you said most overrated, but I think the most underrated duck is Jesse.
00:14:07
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he's good and he has the kind of personality of like a team leader. Like when he says something or wants to act a certain way or thinks a certain way, so many of the other team follows along with him setting the precedents, which I think shows that he has tremendous respect among his peers. And he was good, too. He was talented player. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's hard. I very solely focused on number 99, Adam Banks. Yeah, I don't disagree.
00:14:35
Speaker
While he might be injury prone in the sense that other teams put out hits on him. Right, right. He's not underrated. Everybody thinks Banks is really good. He is as good as everyone says he is. Yeah, I like that. So Jesse, most underrated duck. He's my most. I don't know. There could be another. But I mean, even Connie, Connie could be a close second because she she's really good. She's good and she's tough. Yeah.
00:14:58
Speaker
Well, speaking of Charlie Conway, Jake Gyllenhaal actually auditioned for the role, but his parents wouldn't let him do the movie. So the producers ended up not casting him. Leonardo DiCaprio also auditioned for the part. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think Joshua Jackson does a good job. He's he's he's great. I just think Charlie as a player. Yeah, exactly.
00:15:18
Speaker
We have Lane Smith as coach Jack Riley, perhaps the worst coaching role model of all time. This is what Jack Riley says to an 11-year-old player before a penalty shot in the championship game.
00:15:38
Speaker
Who says that to an 11 year old? No pressure. When they're playing the ducks for the first time, he says, let's run it up, meeting the score. What a jerk. He tells his 11 year old players to hurt banks. I mean, this dude should be in jail. Yeah, he is like a worse version of Bud Kilmer from varsity blues, which is saying something because he was the worst we thought at the time. No, he's been surpassed by Jack Riley.
00:15:58
Speaker
Check out our varsity blues episode for our take on Bud Kilmer. We have Matt Doherty as Lester Averman. He's the dude that's like, the Peepmeister, the Connie Meister. I love the part when he's on the bench cheering for the team and he's like, swing, bada bada, hum bada bada. And they're just like, Averman, it's hockey. I love him in these movies. So I watched Mighty Ducks 1 with Wes and Wes loved Averman. He thought he was so funny.
00:16:23
Speaker
But Matt Doherty, the actor who played Lester Averman, originally auditioned for the role of Fulton Reed. I think it worked out. Good casting. Sean Weiss as Greg Goldberg, the duck's goalie. There's a lot we could say about Goldberg, but I think the thing that sums it up best is when he rips one in the limo and everyone's just like,
00:16:46
Speaker
I love in the third one, just a quick shout out to the third one when he and Julie the cat are at the cafeteria and he's teaching her how to carbo load or he's just like, you got to eat more so that she pukes in practice. That's a great scene. We have Eldon Henson as Fulton Reed. I love when Bombay has him go out before the game once he joins the team and takes all the practice shots and he's just like, yeah, one out of five. Yep.
00:17:08
Speaker
So the actors that play Fulton and Guy spelled Guy, but pronounced Guy, who is Garrett Ratliff Henson, are actually brothers in real life. Oh, that's cool. I didn't know that.
Adam Banks Casting and Replacement
00:17:20
Speaker
Yeah. Eldin, the guy that played Fulton, had to dye his hair and he actually changed his name so he could get cast in the movie. Oh. In The Mighty Ducks, Fulton Reed has shown to have massive shooting power.
00:17:30
Speaker
Throughout the series, we see that Fulton Slapshot can break a passenger side window, cause plexiglass to shatter, hit a chest so hard that the door shuts, knock a child-age goalie backwards into a net, knock a teenage goalie unconscious, leave an imprint on someone's hand that had a goalie glove on it, and rip a hole through a net. Yes. So I calculated how fast Fulton's shot would have had to be to do this.
00:17:52
Speaker
There've been a few instances of a slap shot tearing a hole in the net. Most notably in the 2010 Winter Olympics, Shea Weber of Team Canada did it against Germany. When it happened, the officials didn't even realize it. That's how fast it went through the net. It wasn't until a review during stoppage proved it was a goal. Weber and Zidaneo Chara are known as having the two most powerful slap shots in the NHL. Chara hit 108.8 in the skills competition while Weber has got 108.5. Both of those shots were on center goal from a few feet away and neither tore through the net.
00:18:22
Speaker
The few instances of a puck going through the net is typically around the edge or corners where it's stretched and thinner. Fulton's shot tore right through center net and he took it from about center ice, meaning the velocity had to be way higher upon release to maintain high enough speed to tear through that net from that distance away.
00:18:39
Speaker
Now we have to take into account it was done on a youth hockey net, which was probably very worn down and not used to that type of velocity. And seeing as it only happened once throughout the series, I think that's a valid point to make. But I believe it's safe to assume a good minimum shot velocity of 105 on impact would tear through that youth net.
00:18:56
Speaker
Since he was 91 feet away from the back of the net, 89 feet from line to center ice and then another two feet to the back of the net, I used an initial velocity calculator to determine that his initial velocity would have had to be between 134 and 145 miles per hour, depending on some variables. Math!
00:19:15
Speaker
We love math on the podcast. That is absurd. It's absurd. Oh man. There's multiple things absurd about that. One, how much research I did into trying to figure that out. Love it. And then two, that he was probably shooting that puck 145 miles an hour. Then why didn't you shoot every time he got it? Or why didn't they say like, you can't play, like you're going to kill someone.
00:19:38
Speaker
Yeah. We have Vincent LaRusso as Adam Banks. LaRusso wasn't initially cast as Adam Banks, but it was later given to him when the child who originally played Banks became too difficult to work with, the Quack Attack podcast, which is a real thing, apparently, interviewed Jack White, who served as the technical advisor and trainer on the film. White said the original actor had two incidents that led him to be fired.
00:20:00
Speaker
The first came during a training session with Eric Strobel, who won a national title with the University of Minnesota in 1979 and was a member of the 1980 Olympic team. While playing a fun game where Strobel would try to hit the kids with a puck in the skates, the original Banks apparently got pretty upset and he took a shot that hit Strobel right in the chest.
New Characters in D2 and Their Impact
00:20:18
Speaker
Four days later, he cross-checked Marguerite Moreau, who played Connie Moreau in the movie, right in the back, and that was apparently the end of his stint as Adam Banks.
00:20:26
Speaker
Do we know who this was? Did they say? Nobody has come out and said the actor's name. Oh, I love that. To protect his reputation. I kind of love this though. I really want to know. But nobody's saying it. That's so good. Speaking of Connie, Juliette Lewis from Christmas Vacation, which we did, auditioned for the part but was not cast. Oh, okay.
00:20:46
Speaker
You had mentioned Jesse Hall. We've got Brandon Adams who played him. His dad is played by John Beasley, who I know from Rudy. He's one of the coaches. He's also in a ton of other things. The other thing about the writing of this, I think the names are all really good. Gordon Bombay, Charlie Conway, Adam Banks, all great names. Adam Banks sounds like an elite hockey player. It's such a great name. I feel like they missed a really good opportunity from having a cool catchphrase every time he scored. He banks it in. Yeah. Yeah. Something like that. I'm sure there's something there.
00:21:15
Speaker
All right, talk to me about D2. Yeah, so for D2, I mean, you can pretty much get the same cast as the first one, but some subtractions and some notable additions. Charlie's mom, she is not in the second one, neither is Hans. Dave Karp is not back. Tammy and Tommy Duncan are not back. Peter Mark, Terry Hall also are not on the ducks in this go around. Yeah, I wish they would have had to explain how Jesse Hall was on the team, but Terry was not.
00:21:44
Speaker
Just didn't make the cut, man. As we talked about, Jesse Hall's the real deal. So the director actually wanted to recast Joshua Jackson as Charlie Conway, but never went through with it. That would have been interesting. I don't really understand that. Like we said, Jackson was fine. Yeah, he's good in all of the movies. And especially one, like I really liked him and one.
00:22:02
Speaker
So, we talked about some of the ducks that left. Let's talk about some of the new ducks that joined the flock. We have Mike Vitar as Luis Mendoza. You may know him as Benny the Jet Rodriguez from probably my favorite baseball movie of my time, The Sandlot. Colom Jacobson is back. You might remember her from Rookie of the Year, another episode we did. She is Julie the Cat Gaffney from Bangor, Maine.
00:22:26
Speaker
When Bombay is like, well, you have a goalie. Well, all right, guy, you don't just carry one goalie on a team. It's very common to carry more than one goalie in case there's an injury. And so she never plays. She gets in in the first Iceland game when they're already down like 12 goals and then immediately has a penalty and gets ejected. Yep.
00:22:44
Speaker
And then she went in for the last shot of the shootout. But like why? Why didn't she play? It did not make sense to me. When they go up 5-0 in a game, you can't just sub a new goalian. You're like risking injury. You could switch them back and forth if you won 20 times. Not smart coaching.
00:22:59
Speaker
Ken Woo and Porter, no first name, he's just like Madonna, he's Porter, who along with Fulton Reed make up the infamous Bash Brothers. You might say Ken Woo, Bash Brother. You find out later in the movie when he learns how to take on an opponent, he is dubbed as the third Bash Brother, which is a great part. Ken Woo's great. I love it so much. He really is. And you have Dwayne Robertson. He is the cowboy. He is the most skilled puck handler anyone has ever seen.
00:23:23
Speaker
Although, I don't really know what he does in the movies. I think he scores like a goal, maybe? Because every time he has the puck, he's just like stickhandling, he's like doing all these crazy things, and then someone either checks him over, steals it from him, he never passes. I find him to be extremely overrated. He's a little annoying. At first, it's fun. It's like, oh, like that practice where he's like lassoing everyone. That's fun. But then like, I don't know, I didn't really do anything with him after that. We also have not only a new member of the Ducks of the movie, but
00:23:49
Speaker
Halfway through the movie, a new Duck comes on board and that is Kenan Thompson. You may know Kenan Thompson from being on SNL for the past 75 years or something. He's great in the movie even before he's on the Ducks. He's taunting everyone, especially the guys on Team USA. He and his brother play roller hockey with them. He's such a great character. I'm so glad that they brought him into this movie. He is an amazing addition to the Ducks franchise. He is very funny. He's obviously a very good actor.
00:24:16
Speaker
Isn't it amazing? We've said this about actors before, but you look at Kenan Thompson at a young age right here, you watch him in this movie and you just know, like, that dude's a star. Yeah, he just has it. We also have Karsten Norgard. He plays Wolf, the dentist stance and head coach of team Iceland is looks.
00:24:34
Speaker
personality, you know, the slick back hair. He's modeled after head coach of the Miami Heat, Los Angeles Lakers, among others, Pat Riley. I see that. We have Scott White. He plays Gunnar Stahl. He is like probably the face of team Iceland. He's their best player. He's also in D3, but he is not Gunnar Stahl in D3. He plays for Eden Hall, varsity team. I think he's the goalie, right? So he switches positions in nationality.
00:24:59
Speaker
I know he only has like three lines in the movie, but do you have any favorites? Let's go shake their hands. But my all time favorite is when he goes up to Charlie who did not play. I think he was saying great work not playing. Very smart of you not to play in this game. Okay. Speaking of Captain Duck. Yes. Was Charlie the captain? They never addressed it in the first movie and early in D2, I was kind of shocked when I heard this. They say Banks was the captain, but then Stahl at the end calls Charlie the captain.
00:25:28
Speaker
Yeah, I think it's always implied. I think it's one of those things, if you had asked me, I would have said, oh, it's Charlie. I don't know because it's very common in hockey that they wear the C. I don't know. I'm not opposed to him being the captain. No. And I know in the third movie, he is like officially the captain. Which he has to earn, right? Doesn't he have to earn it? They take it from him and then he has to earn it back. All right. We'll go with it that he's the unofficial captain until he officially becomes the captain.
00:25:51
Speaker
I read somewhere that it's kind of a passing of the torch of the Captain Mantle at the end of the movie when Banks hands Charlie the American flag to take around. Oh, okay. But then how would Gunnar Stahl know that? True. We also have a ton of cameos in, mostly D2, wing Gretzky, which is funny because like,
00:26:09
Speaker
He's Canadian.
Cast Performances: Mighty Ducks vs. D2
00:26:10
Speaker
And Canada's in the tournament, but he's like, yeah, Gucci would say. I know he played for the Kings at that point, and he's obviously the best player of all time. Karim Abdul-Jabbar, Kristi Yamaguchi. You also have Cam Neely, Luke Robitai, Mike Badano, Chris Cellios, all NHL Hall of Famers. You know, they added the new ducks, they got the cameos in D2, so they're up in the ante on D1 a little bit.
00:26:30
Speaker
So Alex, what kind of connections do you have? So for connections, we're going to do a couple of things differently this week. I mentioned before Cam Neely and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar both make an appearance. Now these two have made cameos in other movies and I want you point blank to tell me which was better. Cam Neely and Dumb and Dumber, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Airplane. Neely and Dumb and Dumber. Yeah, it's close. I'm not as big of an airplane fan.
00:26:53
Speaker
But I do like Kareem's part in it, but Cam Neely as Seabass, that's iconic. So Kareem Dhul-Jabbar in Airplane is a pilot. This kid comes up to the cockpit and he's like, I know you're Kareem Dhul-Jabbar. And he's like, no, I'm not. So he's like trying to convince the kid the whole time and then whatever. It's funny. It's very funny. But Cam Neely, when I first saw Tom Endeavor, terrified me because I knew Cam Neely because I'm a big Bruins fan. And I'm like, that guy is terrifying.
00:27:14
Speaker
And he still is like that. When he played Aki, he was tough. He's a goal scorer, but he was also very tough. And he's just so funny in that movie. That's like perfect casting. It really is. There's a few different ways we could go with who wins this round. Obviously, we have to give props to The Mighty Ducks 1 for establishing the cast. Yes.
00:27:33
Speaker
However, I think the subtraction of a few players in addition of the other players really ups the ante in a positive way. Benny the Jet, even the Cowboy, Julie the Cat, and then adding, and this is what really pushes it over the edge for me, Kenan Thompson, who's arguably the most fun person to watch in any of the movies.
00:27:57
Speaker
I think I would have to give this to D2. That's how I feel, too. I know you mentioned like, yeah, like the first one is a deal. They don't call it D1. I don't know why I keep the mighty ducks. I keep calling it D1. Yeah. And the mighty ducks. Yeah. You have to
Key Scenes and Inspirations
00:28:10
Speaker
establish all the characters. I think the characters who remain, you know, no one's worse than it. I'm not like, oh, man, Abram, it stinks in the second one. They're all like either equally as good or better. And then, yeah, you add in Keenan. And I mean, I think Keenan is the one that really does it.
00:28:22
Speaker
Okay, D2 takes a one to nothing lead, heading into round two, best moments. I really like in the Mighty Ducks, the meet the team scene where Bombay tells the limo driver, oh, just drive right onto the ice, which is insane. He gets out, he starts talking to the kids. Do you really think they thought he was a drug dealer? Like, I don't even know how you put that together. Right, right.
00:28:47
Speaker
He's a drug dealer driving around in a limo. In a limo, yeah. I did love the D5, the District 5, which is what they were initially called, their original hodgepodge jerseys where they're just written on with markers. Averman's wearing a cardigan. That's good. The shopping spree scene where they get to go and get actual hockey equipment is awesome. I mean, who didn't want to do that as a kid?
00:29:08
Speaker
That was the best going to a sporting goods store and just like messing with all the equipment. I was just at one with Wes. We had to get him cleats and we walked down the aisle that had all the hockey sticks. Yeah. And I was just like thinking about them knocking. That was such a good scene. So good. I really love when they get the new Mighty Ducks jerseys. That's such a great scene. At first, the kids don't like the name Ducks, but then Bombay gives this like really good duck speech about why ducks are so cool. He is a lawyer. Which did a lot for ducks.
00:29:36
Speaker
Yeah, he put ducks on the map in this one. It's pretty cool, Alex. I know you're a Jersey guy. So on the ducks jersey, they have the duck wearing a D5 jersey from their original team. That's a great detail. Very cool. The uniforms I say will overall in both of these are pretty cool. Yeah, I agree.
00:29:52
Speaker
I love the combo scene of the kids at school with Bombay going to the lawyer's office. It's great. So in school, they've got the teacher up there and they make a blue balls joke. And then the teacher says 90 percent of the body is and one of the ducks says pizza. They get like this big like argument. One of the players throw something and then like goes and hides under the desk. It was just like little details that I think they did a good job with.
00:30:15
Speaker
Then the principal comes in and they all start doing the quack chant at her. That's the part that gets me. Then on the flip side, Bombay's in the lawyer's office and his boss is telling him, you just got to drop this thing with banks coming and playing for your team. And he's just like, you guys kind of deal with the peewee hockey league. Then he has a really good quote. As a team isn't a bunch of kids out to win. A team is something you belong to, something you feel, something you have to earn.
00:30:37
Speaker
I don't entirely know how that ties into Banks being on the team, but I do really like that quote. He's got some good coachy quotes. Oh yeah. Then it rolls into his boss basically saying like, well, we're going to fire you if you don't do this. He follows it up with. Yes, sir. Mr. Duxworth. Thank you very much, Mr. Duxworth. Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack. Mr. Duxworth. Quack, quack, quack, quack, quack. Gordon. Stop. Quack, quack, quack, quack.
00:31:03
Speaker
I love it. I wish I had the gumption to do that to somebody in my life. Me too. Someday. So then he goes to the school to apologize to the kids, which like just FYI, Alex, like you can't just go into a school. No, you cannot just walk into a school. They're not just going to be like, Oh yeah. Oh, you're their hockey coach? Sure. Come on in. But it goes in and they're all writing. I will not quack at the principal on the board. I love it.
00:31:24
Speaker
Another great scene, the North Stars visit. I think the child actors did a really good job of portraying that like all of a professional arena. That game is actually the Minnesota North Stars versus the Hartford Whalers. Both those teams relocated within a few years of this, so. Is this the curse of the Mighty Ducks movie? It definitely could be.
00:31:41
Speaker
Last scene, I really like. It's basically the whole last game, but it really picks up once Banks gets hurt. One of the players gets checked. Bombay's like, how many fingers am I holding up? And then Peter says, he wouldn't know that. Bombay's just like, shut up, Peter. He just says it so like directly. Fulton levels the kid and Bombay is like, he barely touched him. That's where we get the iconic flying V. Yes. The first time we see it. Then it leads into the penalty shot where Charlie does the triple deke to lead the ducks to victory. That whole ending just really flies.
00:32:11
Speaker
Pun intended. Pun intended, yeah. This is the birth of a lot of the tropes used in the Mighty Ducks movies, but it's still so cool to see when they happen. Tell me about D2. Yeah, so in D2, we love a good get the team together scene, collecting everyone. Ducks are back. It's a nice way to reintroduce the audience to the players. That's exactly it. You get them all rollerblading or through the park and then the Hawks, you know, the three Hawks see them.
00:32:33
Speaker
And they're like, Oh, let's mess with them. They happen to have string with them. I don't know how they have all this time to get it set up. And then Fulton is watching them the whole time and then beats them up. That seems really funny. So at this point, I believe I had the movie on Evelyn. I asked her, you know, do you want to watch with me? No, I'm good. And I could see she was playing in the other part of the room. I slowly hear her putting stuff down and like creeping closer, asking questions. And I think this part she was like sold on it. She thought she got it funny. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, all right. Great scene. Love it.
00:33:00
Speaker
Okay, so now we're Team USA, we're in LA, and then they go to Rodeo Drive. I mean, the cowboy, he does have a good line where he's like, This don't look like no rodeo drive to me. No, that's Rodeo Drive. You can't fool me. I saw it on the sign. It says Rodeo Drive. Now see, there's an accident.
00:33:17
Speaker
I like that mix up. So that's funny when they're, you know, they're, they're buzzing all the stores and oh, you know, no unsupervised kids. And then they somehow get in when Goldberg's like, Oh, my uncle is someone and the model is ridiculous. They're modeling clothes and he's like, you know what I think she needs is some bikinis and that's when they get kicked out. It's, it's really funny. And like, who didn't want to try that as a kid? Right.
00:33:38
Speaker
I'm going to ask you if you know the difference between Iceland and Greenland. I do. And it's because of this movie. So when Bombay didn't know and the Iceland trainer explains it to him that Iceland is green and Greenland is ice. I always like learning things from movies. Great. Thank you for teaching me Mighty Ducks too. OK, so Porter gets kicked out. He gets ejected. Is it the first Iceland game? Yeah, he's in the locker room. He's breaking stuff because then Julie, the cat gets kicked out. Then she just comes in and she's like, I know how you feel.
00:34:09
Speaker
He breaks a stool just over his knees and the thing just explodes. I know we talked about him already, but yeah, he's a very good addition to the bash brother. I mean, he really makes it because Fulton's not really that kind of player. He's just tough, but like he is like insane. OK, so how about the the scene where they lose big and then Bombay makes them stay after the game and do the sprints back and forth, back and forth?
00:34:30
Speaker
So this is actually inspired by a real life event. So Herb Brooks, he was the coach of Miracle on Ice. So the US Olympic team in 1980, they played the Norwegian national team and tied in an exhibition game. He was not happy about that. So he made them skate for about an hour, even though the rink manager had turned the lights off. You might remember it from the movie Miracle. It was very inspiring in the movie Miracle. This scene was not inspiring. No, this is the exact opposite. I love Miracle. I think Miracle is a great movie.
00:34:58
Speaker
All right, one of my favorite scenes is when Keenan's on board and his brother are like, you guys gotta learn how to play like hockey again. Like you gotta learn how to have fun. You gotta learn how to play. So they go play a roller hockey with them, which I love that scene. It's such a great scene. That's where we see the birth of the knuckle puck, which who did not try the knuckle puck. If you played street hockey or ice hockey as a kid, I still will try it.
00:35:20
Speaker
I relate it to the Happy Gilmore Drive. If you're at the driving range, you're gonna do the Happy Gilmore Drive. If you're playing hockey of any sort, you're gonna try an knuckle puck. It's just fact, and just accept it. This is also another one of my favorite parts of the movie, so Banks gets slashed in the wrist, he has to miss some time. He comes in the locker room, picks up the stick, and he twists his arm. He's like, coach, I woke up, and the pain was gone. Man, how good is that? I love it.
00:35:42
Speaker
I always thought it said, coach, I woke up and I could do this. I did too. I could have sworn that was the quote. It's funny how our brains work, Rob. I know. And then they come out, they switch from their USA jerseys to the new jux jerseys. After the second period. After the second period, which they say there's no rule against it. Yep. Then they do the speech, the who are we, like where do they come from? Yeah, which is another. Yeah. Taking inspiration from Miracle. I love that. It's interesting because obviously they're pulling from the real event and then Miracle is that many years later that they made the movie, but still very cool. Yeah, yeah.
00:36:11
Speaker
And then, you know, last period of the Iceland game, the shootout, we weren't really talking about much hockey action, but yeah, that is good hockey action in this movie. All right, where's your head at? Who's winning this round? I mean, both of these are just absolutely loaded. I think for me, I think we kind of talked about in the first round with the characters like D1 sets up D2, so, you know, the same kind of characters. But I think in this sense, the scenes from D1, you have some overlap in D2 where they kind of recreate some of the same scenes.
00:36:34
Speaker
I kind of lean one for this one. You're meeting the ducks for the first time. You're seeing the flame beam. That kind of stuff is hard to top. They set up a lot of the things that they basically just redid in D2, in D1. And it was great, which is why they had a sequel. What I always wanted to do was rollerblade through them all. Yeah. I was like, man, just want to do that. All right. Mighty Ducks 1 takes that. We are tied one to one, heading into round three, better title or soundtrack.
00:37:02
Speaker
In Mighty Ducks, we've got the David Newman score. It's really good. It's really hard to find. It's not on Spotify. It's classic. I love it. You also have Good Vibrations by Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch, aka Mark Wahlberg. They play We Will Rock You, We Are the Champions. So in some versions of the movie, it ends with Winning It All by the outfield, and in others, it ends with We Are the Champions, the queen song.
00:37:27
Speaker
Just depends on when it was released, whether VHS, DVD, and if they have the rights to certain songs at that point. That's very interesting. So in D2, we have the scene where Bombay is going back to Minnesota. We have the song, This Two Will Pass. That is by Peter Himmelman. That's a good song. Rock and Roll Part 2, once again, makes an appearance. We won't go into it, but the Hey song, isn't it? We got Mr. Big Stuff. We got Whoop, There It Is. This is like Choc Chams.
00:37:52
Speaker
It is. Which you cannot go wrong. We will rock you. And then at the very end, the campfire, they're all singing acapella. We are the champions, which none of them can sing, but it's a great scene. I like that scene. The title of the Mighty Ducks, pretty straightforward name of the team based off a Twilight Zone episode. The Mighty Casey, I believe.
00:38:09
Speaker
It's not a great episode. I'm a big Twilight Zone fan. That's like meh. I don't know about you. I love D2, The Mighty Ducks. It's so cool. There's no reason for it. I mean, Ducks 2, like D2, I get it. I'm so happy they just didn't go with The Mighty Ducks 2. Me too. Because in conversation, now you just be like D2, D3, like you just know.
00:38:31
Speaker
I looked it up because I was like, is it just D for ducks? I really couldn't find anything. And I'm like, I guess it is. It just, it's so
Plot Holes and Inconsistencies
00:38:37
Speaker
catchy. And then even D3, it sounds great. I love it so much that I'm just going to give this round to you. Yeah, I think you should. Also, I think the music in two is better. I think so too. All right. So we are two to one for D2 heading into round four. Plot holes, cringiness, random questions.
00:38:54
Speaker
We've talked about this in our other sports podcast, but we're not going to really go into too many of the inaccuracies, you know, players who shoot both lefty and righty, some infringements on the rules of hockey, incorrect penalty calls, scoreboard issues, all that kind of stuff.
00:39:09
Speaker
I think if we did that, we would be here for a long time. And that is not the point of these movies, but any of the bigger ones we will point out. So for instance, the flying V, I don't want to burst anyone's bubbles. We know that the flying V is like the most iconic hockey related thing from the movies, but you cannot do that in real hockey. Nope.
00:39:26
Speaker
So once the front player gets rid of the puck, then they start knocking everyone over. That's interference. You can't do that. Also at the end of the movie, Charlie is taking his penalty shot, but he has no helmet on. Can't do it. Need a helmet. Okay. In the beginning of the movie, when Gordon Bombay is coaching, there would be no way that they would let them play a game with the equipment that they show up in. Yeah. It is a safety hazard. And him as a lawyer,
00:39:50
Speaker
He should know that there is some sort of liability that he could be facing by putting a kid in. I don't even know what they're wearing for pads, but I did like the football helmet. A puck would fit very nicely right in there. The playoff structure is a little weird. So the ducks sneak into the playoffs, the ducks squeak in at the eight seed. Normally you would play one eight to seven, three, six, four, five. But the ducks do not play the Hawks until the championship game. Yeah, I don't really know what kind of wonky playoff format they were using.
00:40:18
Speaker
Also, just how does this league work? Because we see Coach Riley, he's the coach of Gordon Bombay when he's 11, and he's now coaching 11-year-olds again, but then he tells the Hawks if they lose to the Ducks, none of them make the team next year. Does he run the program? Does he coach multiple levels? Like, how does this work? And why is 11 the big one?
00:40:37
Speaker
I never actually played hockey so I don't know if like Pee Wee and I don't know whatever but still maybe like is that like the Little League World Series yeah right for a hockey I don't know some cringy stuff I mean the Oreo line I mean even Bombay refers them as the Oreo line it's bad it's not great
00:40:54
Speaker
Kind of weird for the coach to be tickling a player. Yeah, and then Charlie's mom is just watching so like happily. Yeah, this is a good one. When Bombay kisses Charlie's mom at the end, someone yells Banks is first in line next. He is so weird.
00:41:09
Speaker
11 year old boy. Oh, it's so funny. So random questions was Gordon Bombay the greatest not even youth hockey player Was he the greatest hockey player of all time? So they mentioned kind of offhand like real quickly. Oh, yeah, he scored 198 goals in his 11 year old season Okay, and a little more podcast math here. They don't play that many games. So we see the standings in the shop They've played 12 games in the season and they're talking about playoffs. Yeah, so if we say hey, they play 12 games in a season means
00:41:37
Speaker
So you add four more games. So if you like made the championship or whatever, he's scoring at least 12 goals a game. Yet somehow in the championship game, they're tied and they lose, which I'm like, okay, good for that team. They beat the team with the kid who scored almost 200 goals in a season. Right. I mean, they really needed to make that number more realistic. Yeah. 100. Even 98 have been like, all right, that's fine. Yeah. Yeah. So I think I'm pretty sure the NHL record when Gretzky scored 92, which is like unheard of, but I mean, no one's ever scored 190 and 92 in 82 games. Right.
00:42:07
Speaker
Gordon Bombay scored 198 goals in 16 games. That's like a lot of guys career number. I don't even know if I was playing hockey against seven-year-olds right now. Yeah. Anyway, how about the newspaper article where they're like Bombay misses shot and OT like
00:42:27
Speaker
Yeah, about an 11-year-old boy. It's a little ruthless for an 11-year-old. Also, would the NHL players recognize Gordon Bombay? No. They were like, oh, this guy dominated an 11-year-old people. Yeah, he scored 198 goals. Well, that was 15 years ago. Right. That was a little weird. He doesn't look like that anymore.
00:42:43
Speaker
Okay, so does he quit after 11? He scores 198 goals when he's 11. And then like, we see he played minor league hockey 15 years later. But like, what does he do in between? I don't know. They allude to the fact that he quit after he was 11. But did he? I don't know. Alright, so D2. Here's a few glaring hockey rule issues.
00:43:02
Speaker
So when Luis Mendoza scores in the last period in the Iceland game when he stops and snowplows the goalie, you can see that his foot is in the crease. Goal wouldn't have counted. No foot in the crease. Yeah, there used to be an NHL rule. They did change it, but that was always so annoying. So during the championship game, Russ Tyler's knuckle puck goal wouldn't have counted. A youth player can't remove his helmet and play the puck. It's an automatic whistle.
00:43:22
Speaker
Also, how did they have time to change him into Goldberg's equipment without anyone
Fun Observations and Random Questions
00:43:28
Speaker
noticing? The benches are right next to each other and there's a clear divider. It must have been his jersey too. Yeah. Because they even say like numbers so and so. Because what they do is they see the team huddle and they like kind of like zoom so you don't see them do anything and then they like zoom. But I was like the same thing.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah, the logic in that stuff. And also when he comes out of the net, he pulls the mask off, he's still in his own zone. And then whatever, they do some editing and all of a sudden he's way closer. But then he just stops and he's like, it's me. And they're all like, oh, all right, I guess you can shoot it now. Shooter. Shooter. So when Fulton is taking his shot in the final shootout, he stops and then shoots the puck. And hockey players aren't allowed to stop while taking a penalty shot. Also, Coach Bombay switches his goalies in the final shootout, which isn't allowed unless there's an injury.
00:44:11
Speaker
Twice in this film, one of the Iceland players uses his stick as a weapon and effectively slices a bank's arm. Not only would he be kicked out of the game, he would be dismissed from all of the games and the coach would be investigated for criminal charges, namely assault with a tent to injure and knowingly being complicit. In the movie, he only gets two minute penalty. Two minutes. They literally eject Julie for just pushing somebody and this guy is taking axe chops at Adam Banks' arm and they're like, yeah, that's good. That checks out.
00:44:39
Speaker
Here's some non-hockey stuff. So, the Icelandic last names are very simple, consisting of father's name plus either son, as in SSON, if the child is a boy, or adult here, DOTTIR, if the child's a girl, but almost none of the Iceland players have that type of last name.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, I would say they're more like, what, Eastern European? Yeah. Yeah, because Gunnar Stahl never would have put him as Icelandic. So Ken Wu is mentioned to have competed in a previous winter Olympics, but the minimum age requirement to be an Olympic figure skater is 15, and he was only supposed to be 12 or 13.
00:45:11
Speaker
Then in the ending scene, after the team wins, there's a transition to a group of birds flying in a V formation trying to be symbolic of the ducks. But these birds are not ducks. You can tell they are geese by the long necks and large bodies. So nice try, Disney. Nice try. We're not dumb. Honestly, I have nothing cringy about this movie, but I do have some random questions. So in the beginning of the movie, when Bombay is playing for the minor league hockey mini ha ha waves, they say he's about to get called up to the NHL.
00:45:38
Speaker
If I knew I was about to be called up to the NHL, I'm probably like, hey, I think I'm good. He wouldn't have played. Yeah, he just wouldn't have been in the game, right? No, he would have been scratched. Yeah. A year has passed since the last movie and Charlie's mom is already remarried. So she ended the last movie dating Bombay. That's a quick turnaround going from dating to broken up because they like lost touch, he says, when he was playing the hockey schedule to then finding someone new to getting engaged to getting married.
00:46:02
Speaker
And like when they left it in the first one, you are under the impression that this is just the beginning of a relationship. And then D2, you're like, oh, well, they're going to be together, right? No, it's just a really fast. It's really fast.
Debating Scenes and Pranks
00:46:13
Speaker
How good do you think Goldberg's deli was? Because it looked delicious. Amazing. It had to be amazing.
00:46:18
Speaker
When they get to LA for the tournament, Bombay staying in Malibu, there's no way that a youth coach would be staying that far from his own team. They looked like they were in the USC area. USC to Malibu is 45 minutes with no traffic. I don't see that happening. There's no way. Also, did Bombay not learn anything from the first movie? He gets super Hollywood, super fast. He stops coaching the way he knows how. He starts trying to pimp out the air Bombay loafer to anyone that'll listen to him.
00:46:43
Speaker
It seems like a manufactured issue that they came up with when they were like, well, what could be the conflict in this movie? I love this movie so much, but I feel like they could have done something where it wasn't Bombay just reverting to this completely different person.
00:46:58
Speaker
Yeah, totally along those lines. He just doesn't show up till the end of the game when he like has his reformation, but they never explained why he doesn't even explain it. He just doesn't show up and then he shows up at the end and it's weird that he kisses the like teacher tutor on the cheek. Yeah, like there was no like romantic inkling before that.
00:47:16
Speaker
No. And he just like shows up. He's like, thanks. Kisses on the cheek. That was weird. It was weird. How much time was there between the Germany game and the Canada game? So the Germany game is the game where he shows up late. The Canada game is the game where the ducks finally get their stuff back together.
00:47:32
Speaker
But they had so much time to train and so many practices and individual drills. They're suddenly trying like, oh, we should teach Luis to stop now. Like, yeah, I was like, what happened? Like, shouldn't this be in the beginning? Or also, like, how did this kid make the team if he can't stop? I don't know, man, whatever.
00:47:48
Speaker
Last thing, it seemed like a pretty low percentage shot for Gunnar Stahl in that shootout. He also stopped to take a far away shot. Yeah. Did he do a triple deek and then went glove side? Because he's counting one, two, three. He went glove side because he's fancy. I don't know if it was just camera work, but it looked like he was like 10 feet away when he just took that shot.
00:48:07
Speaker
Yeah. You want to get the Goliad position and she didn't, the thing I have the biggest problem with in these movies is the triple deek because it's not even a deek. It's just stick handling called shifting. You would want to like fake the shot and then pull it to your back. Like, no, it's just like, yeah, whatever. I have a question in the second one. We know that Charlie's mom is not there, but like, where, where are any of the other parents? There are no parents in that movie. They just send them all off to. Yeah.
00:48:31
Speaker
They're just like, oh yeah, we trust this man who coached our kids for like four weeks. It's a different time. Yeah. What are you thinking? I mean, who wins this round? This is tight. There's, I mean, there's a lot of hockey related and non hockey related plot holes and questions, which are very valid on both ends. I think it comes down to Flying V being illegal and Bombay's 11 year old season of 198 goals.
00:48:55
Speaker
versus the Iceland player trying to murder Adam Banks and only getting a two minute penalty and Charlie's mom being remarried after a year. Like those are the big points. I think I have to go with D2 winning this one. Also, Orioleine. Yeah, it's pretty bad. It's pretty bad. So I think if you add that in as like a kicker, I think that D2 should win this round.
00:49:20
Speaker
Okay, D2 takes a three to one lead heading into round five. Time to forecheck, as I would say. All right, round five, our miscellaneous question of the week. So both these movies have similar plot beats. So let's just put some of them head to head for like a quick round of matchups.
00:49:39
Speaker
Who's the better opposing coach or more villainous opposing coach? You got Jack Riley of the Hawks versus Wolf the Dentist Danson of Team Iceland. I did like how the Hawks and Iceland had the same color uniforms. I like a little more Hawks versus Ducks like Hawks are a predator bird. Ducks are considered not that. Which coach you think is more villainous? I mean, Coach Riley. Yeah, it's not even close. Wolf the Dentist Danson is a sweet name, but Riley is just evil.
00:50:03
Speaker
Well, Wolf's a bad guy only to Bombay. Yeah. Riley is a bad person to every child he ever encountered. I will say Wolf is a good coach. He is a very good coach. He also is just like, hey, they're going to do the flying V, push them over. He had them scouted. Hey, this guy only takes lap shots. Don't let him. And they're like, our game plan is ruined. How are we going to win? I know. I love how they try to make him out to be like a really bad guy for just honestly doing good scouting.
00:50:29
Speaker
We don't like this guy. What a jerk. Because you have three plays that he knows how to beat. Yeah. Initially, Russia was considered to be playing the role of antagonists in D2. But given the relations between US and Russia had improved at the time, they were like, let's just go with Iceland. They're not going to care. I like that. It's not Russia. Honestly, it's like everything is always Russia or China, Iceland.
00:50:51
Speaker
Like, when would they ever be a villain in anything? They're not. They're nice people. Who's the better mentor? We've got Hans in The Mighty Ducks versus Jan in D2, because apparently Hans had to go back to Germany or something. I mean, Jan is great. Don't get me wrong. I like that he had a very, he had a way bigger role. But I mean, Hans is just like that soft spoken mentor.
00:51:12
Speaker
He's got the standings on his wall. He's got the best shop in the world. We're going Hans. That's my guy. What's the better prank? So in the Mighty Ducks, they put dog poop in a purse, and they leave a dollar hanging out, and the guy grabs it. Or in D2, the one player's asleep, they put shaving cream in his hand, and they keep tickling him. I like the poop in the purse, personally. I don't know what you go for. No, I can't. I can't even allow you. That is the grossest prank ever. It's funny though.
00:51:34
Speaker
I refuse to think pranks that are harmful are funny. How mad would you be if you stuck your hand in dog poop? I would be so mad. First of all, I would not be stealing anyone's purse. That's true. The shaving cream is more realistic, I think, and more attainable to get your desired result. Do you know what prank I do like? The fire ant prank from D3. That's a good prank. But that's pretty terrible.
00:51:55
Speaker
What is the better rollerblading scene in the first one? They're going through the mall, but in the second one, they are going through the Mall of America. I think that one is better. Like, I know it's like kind of done because they did it the first time, but yeah, Mall of America. That's a cool scene. You kind of have to tie in Mall of America if you're going to be talking about Minnesota. Absolutely.
00:52:11
Speaker
What is the better bus stop scene? So in the first movie, Bombay leaves with the team cheering him on. In the second movie, he's coming back to town. It's raining. He's got that ridiculous oversized baseball hat and there's no one there.
Trivia, Easter Eggs, and Final Thoughts
00:52:24
Speaker
I got to say that the one him leaving when he comes back, it's so sad. Why is his hat so big? I don't know. But what's his line? And he's like good to be home or so. I don't know. Just like poor guy. He's injured. He's got the cane. Sad.
00:52:36
Speaker
All right, well, D1 wins that 3-2, so D1, which I keep calling it D1-2, the Mighty Ducks. I know, it's one of those things. It's like Berenstain Bears. It's just the Mighty Ducks. So the Mighty Ducks wins round five. That puts us at 3-2 heading into round six. Better trivia.
00:52:53
Speaker
In the Mighty Ducks, the chemistry teacher states that the blue balls represent hydrogen, that's when all the kids left. Actually, in molecular models, white balls are used to represent hydrogen. Blue balls are used to represent nitrogen. I feel like that would have been an easy fix. Okay, so when Dwayne Robertson is first introduced, he says, it's a great day for hockey.
00:53:12
Speaker
This was done as a tribute to former Pittsburgh Penguins slash Calgary Flames slash Wisconsin University Badgers coach Bob Badger Johnson, who died in 1991 shortly after coaching the Penguins to their first Stanley Cup championship and before he was to coach Team USA in the 1991 Canada Cup. And this was the line that he used to greet his players every day.
00:53:32
Speaker
So number 10 on the Ducks rival team. The Hawks is named Herrick. The film was directed by Steven Herrick. So nice little callback to the director. Also, Mr. Ducksworth's Jersey that he's presented with is number 34. Joseph Summer, who plays Ducksworth, was born in the year 1934. So some Jersey trivia for you. Oh, I love Jersey trivia. Oh, man. Can't throw that at me.
00:53:53
Speaker
Yeah. Maria Ellingson, the actress who plays the Iceland trainer, she was in fact born in Reykjavik, which is in Iceland. And she taught the actors playing for the Icelandic hockey team how to speak the actual language. Oh, that's cool. I like Reykjavik. I've been there.
00:54:08
Speaker
Oh, I didn't know you've been to Iceland. Yeah, it's cool. Was it like just like hockey everywhere you go? Yeah, you like couldn't believe it. Hockey on every corner. Just hockey everywhere. They were like, oh, you're an American tourist. You here to watch our fine level of hockey play. Yeah. Both of these are pretty good trivia. I'm going to go back earlier to what you talked about when they first cast Adam Banks. I know this is outside the realm of our trivia. It still is trivia. I can't get over that. And I feel like that's good trivia that they had in original banks that they can't disclose.
00:54:37
Speaker
All right. Well, so it's kind of a buy a little extra credit trivia for Mighty Ducks. Yeah, I'm going to say D1 problem. It's not D1. Mighty Ducks will have some of the better trivia. Wow. Ty, three to three. Heading into round seven. Better story script or more fun.
00:54:55
Speaker
I mean, how do you really decide which one of these movies is more fun? They're both so good. Both of these movies are way more about Bombay than I remembered. Definitely. Mighty Ducks 1 feels very Bad News Bears-like and there's a reason for that. It's actually one of the writers, Stephen Brill's favorite movies. D2 kind of sticks to a pretty similar formula though. So if I'm going by who I'm going to give more credit to, I'm going to give more credit to the Mighty Ducks.
00:55:22
Speaker
I do think even with the plot holes and issues and things like I love both of these movies. I think the setup for D2 is a little more forced. They were kind of just like, oh, people like this movie. Let's make a second one. Let's follow this formula. It's like every sequel does it. It doesn't fail at it. I would say it's better than a lot of sequels that try to do the same thing. But I think at least for me, gotta lean the first one because the redemption arc of Bombay makes a little bit more sense.
00:55:48
Speaker
I do like how in each of the Mighty Ducks movies, they are creating a new scenario for them. So it's, you know, it's Pee Wee, then it's international, then it's school. So at least like the setting is different. And it's been a while since I have watched D2, but it definitely is as good as I remember. I mean, like as a kid, it was like, I was so into hockey. I still am so into hockey, but I was so into these movies. You know, you remember a movie from when you were a kid and you're just like, it's there, it's the best. I'm not going to think about it. Like I'm not going to consider plot holes or whatever.
00:56:16
Speaker
But even rewatching it, I'm like, man, these movies are just so fun. Both of them are, they are different enough that it doesn't feel like exactly a ripoff. But I feel like some of the situations in D2 maybe could have been changed. I know we talked about Bombay, like maybe easing back on the Bombay stuff. I don't know if that Rick really hit home. The first one, I think a little more so. It's so hard to choose between these two. They're just so iconic.
00:56:39
Speaker
Well, they're really good and they're really intertwined. Very much so. Yeah, it's hard to pick one over the other. You could probably flip a coin. I think I'm going D1, The Mighty Ducks, because of the fact that it started the whole franchise and did a good enough job setting up a lot of characters that it carried into other movies.
00:56:57
Speaker
And I feel like if they would have expanded even more on those characters in D2, I think it would have only elevated it. But they stuck to the Bombay storyline and, you know, we got the movie we got, which is great. It's a great movie. But I thought the same thing. It would have been nice to get at least a little background on and like talk to me about Goldberg. He's from Philly. They have a they have a deli. Like tell me about that. How do you go from Philly to Minnesota? What's Averman's deal? Talk to me about Connie being one of two girls on the team. Right.
00:57:26
Speaker
there was some more that they left on the table with that. And so if I'm picking, I'm going Mighty Ducks.
00:57:31
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. And I think the whole point of these movies, they're kids movies, of course. So the majority of the movie is the goofy antics that they get up to. I get like they're not gonna like spend time like developing characters and backstories and this and that. I think what you said, this is something, I think this is the debate for movies with a sequel or even a trilogy. The first one usually is the best one. Not always, but usually. And I think for this reason, like it created the universe for us of the Mighty Ducks. And it's hard to top that.
00:57:59
Speaker
So the Mighty Ducks wins our D1, not actually titled that, versus D2 movie matchup. That makes sense. It does make sense. But I mean, if D2 won, I would have been like, okay, I can see that. I kind of would like to see how D3 stacks up too. I almost watched it before this episode, but I will be watching it very shortly.
00:58:19
Speaker
What do you rank in these movies? I am going to go The Mighty Ducks, D1, 93. And I'm going to go D2, The Mighty Ducks, with an 86. I am going The Mighty Ducks, a 92, and D2, an 89. Ooh, wow, real tight. It was really tight for me. Well, cool. You got anything you want to say before I shut it down? Go Bruins. That's my team. I don't have high hopes.
00:58:43
Speaker
I'm happy to honor my Boston heritage by being a person that would cheer for the Bruins. Well, let's go. Let's root for the Bruins, playoffs are starting. Let's do it. All right.
Conclusion and Farewell
00:58:52
Speaker
This has been the movie showdown with Rock and Rob. Make sure to like, subscribe, rate, and review all that fun stuff. Follow us on all the socials at Rock and Rob Show. Until next time, peace. I'm out of here. Good work, Captain Duck. Yes. I love it. Especially because you won.