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CLL 33 - News Blitz
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Chris and Jonathan return with the first CLL of 2024 to catch up on a bunch of news stories that have broken throughout January from both Star Trek and Star Wars. The episode wraps up with a lively discussion about the Bad Batch Season 3 trailer and expectations. Contrary to Jonathan’s counting snafu, this is actually Episode 33…
0:00 Introduction
1:35 HDYGTW
8:35 Star Trek Film News
21:47 Picard’s Astra TV Awards
25:30 Shatner’s Making Waves Again
32:35 The Mandalorian and Grogu Film
38:10 Ahsoka Season 2 News
43:25 Bad Batch Season 3 Trailer Discussion
1:00:10 Wrap-Up and Outro
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Introductions and Podcast Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Captain's logs. I'm Solo. I'm Captain and Millennium Falcon. This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Federation starship Enterprise. I already have one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel.
00:00:28
Speaker
You're listening to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers, part of the Geek News Now Podcast Network. Hey, welcome to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers.
Format and Recent News from Star Trek and Star Wars
00:00:38
Speaker
We are the podcast with Geek News Now that covers both Star Trek and Star Wars in the same show. This is episode number 34, and it wouldn't be Captain's Logs and Lightsabers if I didn't have my co-host, Chris Stow, with me. So, Chris, what's going on, man?
00:00:57
Speaker
I'm doing great. How are you doing? I'm good. It's been a little over a month since we recorded, but we.
00:01:05
Speaker
kind of have a lot to talk about as far as news is concerned from both Star Trek and Star Wars.
Geek Activities and Star Trek Prodigy Discussion
00:01:10
Speaker
So we don't really have a specific discussion topic this week like we normally do or this episode. So we're just going to go through a rundown of all the various little bits and bytes of news as well as the major stories and major announcements that have come out over the past few weeks or so. So, Chris, did you have anything to share for how did you geek this week?
00:01:34
Speaker
Well, I don't be honest with you. I don't really think so. I did start doing a rewatch of Star Trek Prodigy at the end on right before New Year's. I managed to buy the DVD sets for the first both for both, both halves of the season. So I started doing a rewatch of that because I never got to really watch it like kind of in sequence. I kind of watched it real choppy when it was on Paramount Plus. Yeah. So I'm going to do a complete rewatch of that. I know the second half of the season was was really amazing.
00:02:03
Speaker
Yeah, that was I thought the first half was good, but the second half really kicked it into high gear Yeah, when they got back to the Alpha quadrant and they were you know, they were battling the Federation fleet and it was just a really good Good show, but I only watched each episode once so I really want to kind of rewatch everything and kind of get a better understanding as we try to start getting into season 2 I know season 2 supposed to come out at some point this year But to be honest with you none of the Star Trek dates for any of the shows have been announced not even for Discovery
00:02:33
Speaker
right yeah which is kind of weird that we haven't got any firm announcements on dates of any kind yet oh and of course season two of prodigy naturally since paramount essentially wrote off the show and sold it to Netflix season two of prodigy will now be airing on Netflix so I'm kind of looking forward to that I know the first season
00:02:56
Speaker
and both parts are already up on Netflix. And at one point when they launched, they cracked the top 10 of what's streaming on Netflix. Yes, they did. That's very good news for Star Trek Prodigy and that it's cracking the top 10 on Netflix because there is a much, much larger audience on that service than there is on Paramount+.
00:03:15
Speaker
Absolutely, so hopefully it's gonna find its original audience, its new audience, it's gonna grow, and who knows where the show will go from there. I'm assuming this is the final season of it, but you never know what happens. People change their minds all the time if things get become popular and make more money, so who knows?
Netflix Revivals and Star Trek Collectibles
00:03:33
Speaker
Yeah, and Netflix, they look at all their watch data like crazy, so if they see a pattern that justifies bringing the show back because
00:03:43
Speaker
Let's be honest, it's not the first time that Netflix has done that. They've bought a show from another distributor or another company and produced more seasons of it to give it proper endings. They did that for the show Manifest that was on NBC. They did that for a couple others that I can't think of off the top of my head. Oh Arrested Development, which
00:04:06
Speaker
From what I understand, the seasons on Netflix were not that good if you were a fan of the show. But I mean, they still did it, right? Exactly, exactly. So yeah, beyond geeking this week, I think that's really about it. Oh, I did get a couple of I found some Star Trek calendars on clearance, which was a lot of fun. It's always fun to get him a 75% off instead of full price. For sure. Yeah, I mean, that was so I'm trying to think if there was anything else that I got.
00:04:33
Speaker
Oh didn't happen this week but it happened after our last recording so i found this great website shop goodwill dot com and i found a lot of good use star trek stuff on there and i ended up getting to star trek snow globes from the early nineteen nineties when is from the original with the original enterprise and one is with a click on bird of prey they both light up but the bird of prey when actually plays music.
00:04:57
Speaker
Nice. I got them for like seven or eight bucks a piece. The shipping and handling was actually more than the product. That's usually how it goes, especially if you order something fragile like that.
00:05:08
Speaker
Pretty much, yeah. It was fine. They look great. I'm looking at them right now in my man cave.
Star Trek Tattoos and Movie Rumors
00:05:13
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I put them along that I got a snow globe from Hallmark for Christmas from my twin brother and his wife. It's like a transporter. The three of them are in the snow globe and you put the button and it lights up. Nice. It all fell together nicely, the three things. They look great on the shelf. Beyond geeking this week, that's really about it. How about you?
00:05:36
Speaker
since we last recorded, I've I met my goal of seeing 150 new to me movies in 2023. That was something that I was I kind of stalled out on over the summer. But I started to pick up a lot of watching a lot of movies at home, especially, you know, that week off that we had going to the theater. So I had kind of set a personal goal for myself to watch 150 movies that I'd never seen. And I
00:06:04
Speaker
got there right around the end of december so very nice yeah aside from that i i'm getting well i'm in the planning stages of getting my very first star trek tattoo wow so i have i found an artist that is working on it for me it's going to be it's going to be the the delta and behind the delta is going to be
00:06:31
Speaker
a nifty little scene with Deep Space Nine with the space station in the background. So since it's been my favorite show, you know, that's been my favorite Trek show forever. So I figured why not really, you know, permanently display my love with that show.
00:06:49
Speaker
That's going to be sometime in February that I get that done. I think very nice. Hopefully it won't be too expensive or too painful for you. Well, I mean, this will be, I don't even know. I've lost track of how many I have. So, you know, it's, it's, um, it's, yeah, it's the pain is actually kind of.
00:07:10
Speaker
It's kind of soothing, honestly, in a weird way. If anybody that has multiple tattoos will tell you the same thing, you become almost addicted to the sensation the more you do it. That's interesting.
00:07:34
Speaker
Part of it is that you mean it's working towards something positive for you that you're gonna enjoy so right right absolutely and I love you know, I love the idea of you know, somebody Show showcasing some of these arts, you know Mm-hmm on me rather than you know, we're in my house where we We don't really entertain a lot of people so nobody gets to see all of our artwork that we have. So why not wear it?
00:07:59
Speaker
Absolutely. Cool. Makes sense. Yeah. So anyway, that's, that's really all that I've been doing as far as from a geeky lens. What do you say we start running down some of the news stuff that we have to talk about? You got it. So this has been really interesting because, you know, in the last couple of years, Star Trek movie news has been crazy. There's a project announced that it fails and then back and forth, back and forth.
00:08:24
Speaker
So in January, there were actually three different movies that were either announced or hinted at. The first one actually was mentioned on January 5th. Patrick Stewart actually, it was a story, Patrick Stewart revealed that there's a new Star Trek movie script in the works with his character in it.
00:08:44
Speaker
And there wasn't much really said about it. He was on a podcast called Happy, Sad, Confused. And there was a host, the host, Josh Horowitz, was asking Patrick Stewart about any hopes that he had for Star Trek's future and maybe his future in the franchise. And this is the quote that he actually said. So it's an ongoing procedure for me. I only heard last night about a script that is being written, but written specifically with the actor.
00:09:12
Speaker
and then he referred to himself to play in it. And I've been told to expect to receive it within a week or so. I'm so excited because it sounds like the kind of project where the experimentation that I want to do will be essential for this kind of material. It's good at 83." End quote.
00:09:27
Speaker
So he's apparently he wants to do some more with with Captain or Admiral Picard is all fine and dandy, which is great. But I guess part of me kind of like enjoys the ending of his story arc with the end of Picard. Yeah. Yeah. I felt like that was kind of really all you had to tell. Exactly.
00:09:48
Speaker
I mean, if they can come up with some really good final movie ending for him, that would be wonderful. But that's really all I could see the movie kind of leading towards, is the finality of death for the character once and for all. Which in a way wouldn't be too bad, because as the cast are getting a lot older now, so to have a proper ending for their characters would make sense.
00:10:11
Speaker
Down the road so that way in the future is we're getting older we can say you know what we actually got to see a complete arc with these characters. But i just the way they ended Picard season three with them around that poker table it was just it was a good cap for all of them and i'd hate to see that get messed up again.
00:10:28
Speaker
Yeah, and who is going to write the script for this film? Is it going to be Terry Metallis or is it going to be somebody else? And the final product is going to be more like the first two seasons of Picard rather than the third.
00:10:43
Speaker
Exactly, exactly. So right now, it sounds like it's just in the very preliminary stages. I mean, quite frankly, this might not even happen. Now, I did do some other like research for this episode, kind of looking and seeing what other people had to say about it. And I guess somebody was making the comment that maybe this wouldn't be like a feature length film that maybe it would be some sort of like TV movie for streaming movie for Paramount Plus, kind of like Section 31 is going to be.
00:11:09
Speaker
So, that'd be interesting too. If it's goodbye, it wasn't a theatrical movie, it was something small like a TV movie.
00:11:15
Speaker
I don't know how much you keep up with everything that's going on with all these streaming services, but every single one of them, with the exception of Netflix it seems, is bleeding money and losing profit every single moment that these streaming services exist. So why are you putting an original film? What is the idea behind putting an original film on a streaming service that nobody subscribes to
00:11:45
Speaker
Why would you deprive the general audience of a big screen movie, right? Star Trek will draw the crowds, you hope. Even J.J. Abrams trilogy of films that he produced still drew crowds. Every single one of them was profitable. Was Star Trek beyond profitable, ultimately, or did it?
00:12:14
Speaker
What did it fall short? I think it was profitable. I mean, I don't think it made like the exceptional amount of money they were hoping, but I think it did turn a profit. OK, I just think they just I don't know if it was just they didn't have ideas for movies for that like script ideas, but there were maybe changes in regime or different directors coming in and out, writers coming in and out, actors, not whatever it is. You know, it's just it's just been crazy for them being able to come up with some sort of
00:12:43
Speaker
movie, which is hard to believe. You would think there's a lot of Star Trek material out there and that they could have come up with something decent. I mean, Beyond came out in 2016, so that will be eight years this year. Right. I know. I mean, heck, Quentin Tarantino even had an idea for a movie, and that got scrapped. I can't imagine what
00:13:05
Speaker
Quentin Tarantino's Star Trek would even look like though. All they said is it would be an R rated version of Star Trek. Yeah. I mean, maybe, maybe somebody will figure out how we can travel between parallel universes and, and, and maybe, you know, some of some universe out there that's almost exactly like ours had that movie. And, you know, right. Exactly. See what it turned out like.
00:13:31
Speaker
Good point, good point. Getting back to the whole Picard movie thing, he was never happy with the way his character ended with Nemesis. He's had this wonderful ending with Picard. Does he really want to risk possibly another crappy ending that he's not going to like? Why chance it? It's part of what I'm thinking. Yeah, I'm hoping this project just doesn't actually happen.
00:13:58
Speaker
Yeah, that's that me too. Me too. I mean, like I said, if the only good thing that would come from it is maybe it would give closure to his character, but at the same time, it can always possibly give some finality to his character once and for all. But at the same time, we don't have to have that like absolute death of his character that we have to hang on. You know, if we just if it's just simply we end his the end of his characters with his crew, that's fine.
00:14:24
Speaker
Just, you know, in the end, it's about him. Does he want to risk being unhappy again? And in his age again, is he going to want to try to make another if that screws up? Well, can I do something else to fix it? You know, it's like how much more can you do? I mean, and why can't we just get a an end for those characters with Star Trek legacy? I mean, we've.
00:14:47
Speaker
Good point. The fans have spoken. The fans love Picard season three for the most part. They have been very vocal about Star Trek legacy. Let's get something going on that because then you can give Terry Metallus the reins of Star Trek. He knows what he's doing. He wrote an incredible season three of Picard.
00:15:08
Speaker
just give him his own series don't just give him one season give him his entire series and then give him the ability to write endings for these characters because he
00:15:19
Speaker
proved that he can do it. Absolutely. And there's that he cares. It's not even just his ability. He cares about these characters that to see them done properly, you know, but everything that I've been seeing on different Trek websites and just randomly on the Internet as of now, they haven't greenlit anything. And to be honest with you, we're basically a year out from the beginning of Picard season three being on Paramount Plus. You have thought that they would have snapped their fingers and be like, we're greenlighting this sucker.
00:15:49
Speaker
you know everybody wants it the actors actresses want it like why not right exactly i mean you've introduced some fantastic new characters who have connections to the cast that we all know and love
00:16:03
Speaker
it's a perfect opportunity to bring them in for whatever you need them for and Eventually write them off like give them their swan song right exactly Exactly. So I guess I think be honest with I think you're right. I think this is probably gonna go nowhere But we'll just wait and see what happens and then we'll report on it here. That's right. That's right That's and do yes
00:16:30
Speaker
So the other movies that are being talked about, apparently Star Trek IV is still a possibility to go and it's being called the final chapter. In my notes here, it says that it remains in active development and Deadline apparently reported and described the Star Trek IV project as, quote, the final chapter in the main series. So this is what Deadline said about the development of this new movie.
00:16:57
Speaker
Though there hasn't been a film since 2016, Star Trek Beyond, the brand is still strong as it's ever been with popular Paramount Plus shows like Picard and Strange New Worlds, earning strong reviews and big ratings in the time since the last film bowed in theaters. Brian Robbins' lead regime saw an opportunity to build on that popularity with multiple films and development the same way the streamer has multiple shows going on at
Paramount's Star Trek Film Plans
00:17:21
Speaker
once.
00:17:21
Speaker
So apparently there are no details really about the story, but apparently, again, it's in the planning stages. Now, on top of that, there's a story going around that there's a prequel movie that's going to be made that's supposed to be a prequel to the original Star Trek 2009 movie. And there are no details really about that project at all in terms of any story, anything like that, but
00:17:50
Speaker
How I guess it says here, I guess the the director is going to be Toby Haynes is his name. But beyond that, there's really nothing else. So why do I know that name? I was going to say, well, did the events of Star Trek 09 even exist prior to. You know, the the the opening sequence, you know, when like up to that wasn't at a single timeline, essentially, and then because of what
00:18:20
Speaker
Why can't I think of the villain in the first one? Nero. Nero, yes. Because of Nero's meddling.
00:18:27
Speaker
It didn't that basically create the Kelvin timeline from and split it off in the main. Isn't that the whole idea? Yes, that was completely. Yes. So what fans always thought was right. So the thought was, is that everything before that was the same as it was in the prime challenge. So enterprise happened, all that kind of stuff. And then that split happened with the time travel. So what, how can there, what really is there as a prequel to. Right.
00:18:57
Speaker
Yeah. We kind of know the story, don't we? Yeah, exactly. Pretty much. And you know what? Why on earth do we need another prequel? I mean, prequels can be done well. It's just, yeah, you're right. Let's, let's give that a break for now. Exactly. We have Discovery. We have Strange New Worlds. Why any more prequels? Why can't we keep moving forward? The fans want to move forward. They want to move past.
00:19:25
Speaker
Picard into legacy and maybe even go a little bit forward from there. Why? Why the prequels? It drives me nuts. Yeah, I mean, and it's kind of the same thing on the Star Wars side, too. You know, everybody wants to see it seems like people want to see a continuation of
00:19:41
Speaker
what happened after the sequel trilogy, right? I mean, yes, we've got at least we've got the Ray movie coming out at some point that's in active development that is supposed to take place after the events. But yeah, but they're also like fans are getting stuff that's filling in other parts of the timeline stuff that we've been playgrounds we've been playing in for quite a few years. I mean, you know, you've got
00:20:07
Speaker
And don't get me wrong, I love the content that's filling in the 19 years in between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. I mean, we've got, we had Rebels, we have Bad Batch, we have, yes, we had Obi-Wan that took place in those times.
00:20:26
Speaker
You know, we've got a whole lot of content that takes place, of course, after the original trilogy. And, you know, that's that's the whole Mandalorian universe. So, yeah, let's let's move on. Let's move forward. Mm hmm. Absolutely. So it'll be interesting to see how this all develops again.
00:20:44
Speaker
You know, the Star Trek IV news, the way it's been disappointing fans so much these last number of years, I'm not, right now my thought on it is, I'll see it when I believe it, or I'll believe it when I see it. Yeah, right, exactly. There's no real reason to be like, oh great, this time it's gonna happen. So we'll see, but that's really about it for that story. Okay. What else you got? The next one's just a really small mention. So at the beginning of January,
00:21:14
Speaker
There was the Hollywood Creative Alliance. They held their third annual Astra TV Awards, which they used to be called the HCA Awards, and it was held in Los Angeles. And Picard actually won two Astra Awards. Jerry Ryan won for Best Supporting Actress in a Drama Streaming Series as 709. It says that she had actually tied with an actress from The Crown named Elizabeth Debicki. Oh, okay.
00:21:41
Speaker
But apparently they tied, but she still won. And she said that she's really been enjoying playing seven to nine at this point in her life. She describes seven to nine as, quote, more fun and cooler. I mean, yeah, exactly. And she also she thanked showrunner Terry Mattalis and the other writers of the third season for, quote, amazing character development. So good for her because after Voyager ended, she basically says she was done with the character.
00:22:10
Speaker
She was tired. She was ready to move on. And now she's got this reinvigorated love for Seven to Nine again. And you can see it in her work in the show. And now she's poised to be the next captain of the Enterprise. I mean, that's a big honor. So I can see why she might want to keep going. For sure. Yeah, go ahead. I was just going to say, and hey, if you're still enjoying playing the character,
00:22:35
Speaker
Why not? Yeah, if if you're willing to entertain more material, go for it. Let's Yeah, absolutely. And she and Michelle heard have amazing chemistry together, as in terms of just as co not co worker, but like Captain and first officer, but his romantic interests as well. I mean, it would just be a great continuation on moving forward.
00:22:56
Speaker
with them in that show. And then Terry Metallis, he picked up an award for Best Writing in a Streaming Drama Series. And he won that for the, I guess he wrote the third season finale of Picard, the series finale, The Last Generation. And he actually beat out a lot of competition. He beat out writers from 1923, Andor, Belair, The Boys and The Crown.
00:23:21
Speaker
So it says he was also nominated for best directing, but he lost out to Nelson crag from the boys. Okay. Right. And the show in Picard is the show itself or the season was nominated for best streaming drama series, but lost out that that award to the boys as well. And Sir Patrick Stewart lost out for best actor.
00:23:41
Speaker
Unfortunately. Yeah. Yeah. And then it says also in the, in the, in the report I I'm reading from, it says Picard also Michelle Forbes was nominated for best guest actress in a drama series, but she lost out to Regina Taylor from CSI Vegas.
00:23:57
Speaker
Okay, you know, that's a shame. Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, we got two awards. I mean, I would have thought that the show with how good at what sort of one more the Star Trek is not very well known for winning Emmys for the acting or, you know, it's always been more in the technical aspects. Sure. You know, because I mean, some of the episodes that some of these actors and actresses have done and performed in it's just been amazing. And it's a shame that they were forgotten. So
00:24:20
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's always been quite a rift between major award shows and sci-fi. It's it never gets the attention that it deserves. I mean, I just don't understand it. Exactly, exactly. So I mean, the fact that they won something like that, that was to me, that's big news. Yeah, at least somebody is recognizing the work that was done on the show.
00:24:45
Speaker
Exactly,
Controversies and Awards
00:24:47
Speaker
exactly. So really, the only other interesting little story I found online deals with William Shatner. So, you know, there's always some sort of drama going on around William Shatner. Whether he's saying something about like people with autism, or he's, you know, just arguing with the fans or whatever it is. But there was this story about
00:25:08
Speaker
So back on Star Trek Day in 2023, they did promotional art for that day, and they put different pictures of a lot of the different captains or different characters from all through Star Trek, and they didn't include him, his image. And a lot of fans are obviously very upset about that because they're like, well, how can you do Star Trek Day and have promotional art without William Shatner and Eris Kirk?
00:25:36
Speaker
And so basically William Shatner had made some comments on Twitter about it that he feels essentially that Paramount Plus is erasing his version of Kirk. And they're more invested in like Paul Wesley now, a strange new world's Kirk. So at one point he said, and actually said in one of his tweets about it, haters gonna hate. Yeah.
00:26:02
Speaker
I mean, you and I were talking a little bit about this before we started recording, just, you know, as far as, you know, William Shetner has had words about some of the things that Paramount Plus is doing and CBS is doing.
00:26:18
Speaker
One, if you're going to disparage the parent company that owns Star Trek, they're not going to use you in their marketing. Two, most of the Star Trek Day announcements that we have been getting in recent years have all been
00:26:37
Speaker
stuff that's going to be appearing on Paramount+. So they're really not doing anything differently than they've already done, it's just now he notices the omission, I guess.
00:26:51
Speaker
Yes, and the fans are definitely making them very, you know, making them well known about what's going on as well. Yeah, they're definitely stoking the fire. You know, so but I mean, I see kind of both sides of it. You're right. I mean, Paramount Plus, if they're being disparaged for the product that they're putting out right now, they're not going to want to include him in the imagery makes sense. But at the same time, it's kind of like,
00:27:16
Speaker
William Shatner is the face. He was the lead character in the original very first Star Trek that was ever made. You know, Captain Kirk really essentially is Star Trek.
00:27:25
Speaker
You know, go ahead. I just, I didn't, I didn't say what I said to, to, to minimize his impact and, you know, his contributions to Star Trek. Yeah. I mean, yeah, we wouldn't have Star Trek if it hadn't been for him because, you know, it didn't work out so well with the first pilot. Yeah. I wasn't, I wasn't even talking about anything you said. I was just making a general basic thoughts.
00:27:52
Speaker
I was just verifying for whatever audience we have that, you know, I'm not, I'm not ashing for what, you know, for, for his contributions.
00:28:04
Speaker
Right. Oh, no, not at all. Not at all. You know, it's just it's just kind of a really what it comes down to. This story isn't that big of a deal. I just thought it was a fun talk. Yeah. Yeah. Because, you know, I guess one thing I've learned about is being a therapist about human nature is we all love a little bit of drama, no matter how we say we may not like drama. If we catch a story that's going to catch our eye and it's going to get us rubbed up a little bit, it's fun to talk about.
00:28:29
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Exactly. So I mean, I'm sure there'll be more going on and on about this and stuff like that. But I mean, I don't really know what William Shatner specifically said that really ticked them off, except all I remember is he went to a Comic Con. I don't know if it was San Diego Comic Con or another one, but he made the comment about he felt that Gene Roddenberry would be spinning in his grave with the way Star Trek is currently.
00:28:53
Speaker
I don't know if he actually expanded on that or not, but I've never really seen anything expanded on, but who knows? You know, there's so many things that are said on Facebook and Twitter and whatever the hell else there is out there nowadays, and it just gets all blurred.
00:29:10
Speaker
lost right well i mean it's it's yeah it's it's all now now it's all about the the snappy headline right the the snappy post on on twitter or x or whatever they are calling it now you know
00:29:25
Speaker
Yeah right right not even click yeah well yeah clickbait but just you know what can you say in 200 some characters right exactly yes yeah so yeah I don't know what he said but I mean it's just it's gonna be ongoing from what it seems like to me 50% of the fans support William Shatner and 50% don't
00:29:46
Speaker
Well, that's probably been that way for quite a while now. Oh, yeah. I also think there's a generational gap going on. I think a lot of the younger fans tend to be the ones that are more against Shatner. A lot of the newer younger fans are very protective of current Star Trek. So anytime somebody is older or somebody is involved in some of the older stuff, they tend to get a little bit more upset about what they're saying.
00:30:12
Speaker
I don't know. I stay out of it. I just I just sit back and read it for the comments. I mean, let them have their own little battle. That's that's they can do their thing. I just I just it's like I'm like one of those memes where you like sit there and like like Michael Jackson sitting in the theater eating popcorn. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So that's kind of how I am. I just sit back and read and
00:30:37
Speaker
limit your interaction. Yeah, I mean, yeah, if you don't agree with them, you're wrong, even if you bring up valid points. So that's that's what that's what happens when you argue on the internet. Exactly. So I stay clear of it. And I say to myself, everybody's entitled to their own opinion. You know, it's okay. Yeah. So you and I have disagreed on quite a few things, you know, on the show. So
00:30:59
Speaker
Heck yeah. So, you know, it's just the way it is. You know, I think for you and I, the only one is I think like the continuity or the cannon. Right. Yeah. That's about it. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you, you, you have your things that you're passionate about and I'm a little bit more. Lacks of days going and easy going when it comes to it. So. All right. Well, I'm going to ask you about that when we get to the Assash Ventress part. Okay. All right. You with this one.
00:31:31
Speaker
Well, yeah, that is something we will eventually get to. So on that note, did you have any other Star Trek news stories to cover for us? At this point, no. Okay. Yeah, so we're good to go.
New Star Wars Announcements and Speculations
00:31:44
Speaker
Yeah, let's move on to a different galaxy, one that's far, far away with some news. So back in early January, we got word that Jon Favreau is going to be producing and directing a new feature film that will see our two of our favorite characters, the Mandalorian and Grogu,
00:32:06
Speaker
on the big screen for the first time. So at some point in 2024, that film is going into production. I don't think they have announced exactly who is going to be writing the script, whether it'll be Favreau and Filoni or just Favreau. I know with Favreau writing a lot of season three of The Mandalorian, it's kind of the weakest season. I really hope that
00:32:33
Speaker
that Filoni has just more than a passing hand, you know, with with the script because I think when those two work together, it's it's pretty good content comes out. But, you know, forever by himself, maybe not so much. Right. Exactly. Exactly. And part of what my thoughts are to it, I'm really hoping that this this movie is actually going to happen because it's starting to feel at times with the with Star Wars projects that they disappear as much as Star Trek IV does. Yeah. Yeah. And
00:33:03
Speaker
I don't know what's going on with that. Plus, it's always so hard to believe what you read because you never know if it's coming from a legitimate source either. I mean, there was rumor and hearsay going around that the Ray movie was already scrapped.
00:33:26
Speaker
it just had something to do with the writer had turned in a script and he's taking another pass at it like it's the same writer it's not like the project is dead or you know they fired the creative team blah blah blah like you know the sky is falling kinda nonsense that the internet likes to drum up every once in a while.
00:33:44
Speaker
Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. So, I mean, I really do believe this this movie is going to happen without a doubt. I think the characters are too popular shows too popular. But you're right. Hopefully it's going to be well written and developed. I mean, if if it's going to be some crappy story that really has no purpose, they might as well just ended the series the way they did.
00:34:07
Speaker
It actually it actually gave it a kind of an actual ending. So, you know, if they're going to continue it on, then have something that's going to work out and make sense and people are going to enjoy. Yeah, I just what what do you think a Mandalorian and Grogu film would address? Like, where do you think is something, you know, are they are we going to pick up where they were at the end or season three of The Mandalorian at their little cottage on Navarro?
00:34:37
Speaker
The little homestead that he has going on, is there going to be some kind of event that brings Mando out of retirement?
00:34:47
Speaker
Where do they where's the jumping off point for the story? Right? I mean, there would have to be something something big that would pull him out of retirement. I can't see it just being like some little off like side story or something that really doesn't add to the greater mythos. Yeah. Otherwise, it wouldn't really be much of anything. But what was what ended up the Mandalorian end up doing at the end, like he was going to be like a marshal or something.
00:35:11
Speaker
Yeah, he was going to be the Marshal on Navarro, essentially. Grief Karga gave him the house or farm or whatever it is in exchange for being the Marshal. So is that what he's been doing in whatever time has elapsed since the end of that season and where this movie picks up?
00:35:36
Speaker
I wonder what's going to happen. Knowing how Dave Filoni seems to try to keep the continuity and things going, my guess is that there'll be some sort of big event that's going to pull him out of retirement. We'll see that he's still living happily ever after with his adopted son. I don't think we'll just see him in the middle of something away from that. It's forgotten.
00:35:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I think there's going to be something big that pulls him away and is going to probably add to the greater mythos, whether or not that ties into the big Mandalorian arc that's been going on, like with with season three with Bo-Katan or or if they were going to see something more with with Gideon. I mean, it looks like he died, but, you know, as a star, well, it can happen, you know, I mean, there could be some other imperial remnant thing that's going on or maybe it'll even tie into something with Thrawn and Ahsoka. Who knows?
00:36:24
Speaker
Yeah, it's hard to say. Yeah, I'm kind of excited, but I'm also a little hesitant to really get too excited.
00:36:34
Speaker
Yeah, no, I got you. You're cautiously optimistic. Yes, always. Yeah, exactly. Always. Maybe the good thing is that, like I've told you before, I do think that Picard season three kind of took the shine from Mandalorian season three. Not that it, Mando season three didn't have its issues. It did. I think that was bad timing. It might have done a little bit better if Picard wasn't as good as it was at the time.
00:36:58
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, maybe you know, hopefully it'll be something good that brings the interest back and it'll it'll make it worthwhile. Yeah, we'll see. On that note, I think we've kind of talked this one to death with what little information we have on it. So
00:37:13
Speaker
We'll move on to the next bit of news, and that was kind of the same day that the Mandalorian and Grogu film was announced. We got word that there's going to be a second season of the Ahsoka series on Disney+, which immediately begs the question, how are they going to deal with Balan's skull, you know, after Ray Stevenson passed away?
00:37:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's going to be a tough one. I mean, he was a real class act and just brought a lot of depth to that character. Yeah. You know, they can they can write the character the same way with a different actor. But I mean, is he going to this new person going to bring in the same depth and.
00:37:52
Speaker
I think that whoever, if they do that, they're going to have some big shoes to fill. And I think there's going to be a lot of, maybe some backlash early on. Is this going to be like, how can you replace somebody who did that good? You know? Right. Right. And do you, you know, or, and then the way that his little story ended at the end of season one really does deserve a followup of some kind. It's it, you can't just drop that whole thing just because he's gone. That's right.
00:38:17
Speaker
Absolutely. Now, I think there was, if I'm remembering correctly on X, somebody had posted a picture of some, I guess, behind the scenes art that showed Ahsoka and Sabine on one of those big stats. I think it was the father with his finger pointing. Am I right? Yeah, I think that was a piece that Dave Filoni had done as a tease.
00:38:39
Speaker
Okay. Okay. That makes sense. All right. So at least we know what's happening. There's, there's work being done. You know, I thought rumors going around. So thank goodness for that little picture. I even saved that into my phone. I had forgotten about it, but yeah. Yeah. So there is something. So hopefully that comes out with soon.
00:38:58
Speaker
Yeah. And speaking of Ahsoka, I don't know if you saw the big announcement from Steel City Con, our favorite local comic con and pop culture con that Natasha Lou Bordizo is actually going to be there Saturday and Sunday doing photo ops and signatures and autographs. Yes, I saw that today. Brandy and I were my wife for it. We were at the laundromat and saw that. I was like, Brandy, look who's coming. She's like, who is that?
00:39:26
Speaker
I'm like, thanks, you just took the wind out of my sail. It's exciting. Now, are you and your wife, are you going to get a picture with her? I don't know yet. I have no idea what we're going to do as far as if we're going to do any photo ops. It's really going to depend on what other guests they announce, I think.
00:39:47
Speaker
So apparently that same weekend of Steel City Con is also Fan Expo up in Cleveland or right around the same time. Maybe it's the weekend before, but I know they've announced a few Ahsoka guests as well. Let's see if I can find any information on their guests on the Fan Expo Cleveland. So we're
00:40:15
Speaker
only able to move as quickly as the internet will allow us. So, okay. Danny Trejo is going to be at Fan Expo.
00:40:29
Speaker
There we go. Okay. So Iman Esfandi, who played Ezra and Diana Lee in Osanto, who played Morgan Elsbeth. Nice. They're both going to be there Saturday and Sunday of Fan Expo Cleveland, which that is April 12th through 14th. So I do believe that's the same dates as Steel City Con, right? Yeah, I believe so. Yeah. So, okay. So we're not getting those two.
00:40:54
Speaker
Okay. Unfortunately, but maybe, maybe we can get Rosario. That would be great. Oh, if we could get, if we could get Rosario and Natasha, there may be another photo op in my future. Just saying. Yeah. I mean, still city cons right now for this show is building some, it looks like little reunions. Yeah. Like with nine Beverly Hills, 90210 and the breakfast club.
00:41:19
Speaker
Well, yeah, they're really good about that. Oh, I know. Just as a side note, if Ali Sheedy from Short Circuit goes there, I'm going to die because she was my childhood crush. And so if that would make the decision for me, which show I would go to that weekend, I'd walk through fire to go see Ali Sheedy at this point. Very nice. Hey, yeah. No, that Ali Sheedy is definitely a very attractive lady then and now. Oh, yeah. Man, her and Short Circuit.
00:41:57
Speaker
Aside from Ahsoka Season 2 and our little diversion on Steel City Con, the biggest piece of news that we got out of Star Wars this past week was the Season 3, which will be the final season of the Bad Batch.
Bad Batch Trailer Analysis
00:42:15
Speaker
We got a trailer for
00:42:17
Speaker
of that show, so let's see if we can make this work.
00:42:47
Speaker
They are coming. For all of you. Now give us a real challenge. Everyone down! We're not big on following orders.
00:43:27
Speaker
Alright, so that was the Season 3 trailer for the Bad Batch. Man, what a trailer! Yeah, it was certainly exciting, very heart-pounding, definitely.
00:43:38
Speaker
There is so much to unpack about that, my goodness. Where do we begin? Let's begin with the fact that we are getting the three episode premiere on February 21st. We have less than a month to wait for new Star Wars on Disney+.
00:43:56
Speaker
This announcement just and the data and everything just seemed to come out of nowhere. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, I was expecting it was going to be probably mid mid year, if anything. Yeah. So so when they were like it's less than a month away, I was like, OK, this is great. We finally have something that we're to look forward to, because like we said earlier in Star Trek and Star Wars, there are no dates set for anything. So we finally have something tangible. Right. Right. So yeah, so completely absent from the trailer was tech.
00:44:25
Speaker
you know, at the end of season two, he sacrificed himself so the rest of the Bad Batch could get away. But the season three trailer doesn't even acknowledge that and doesn't even give us any indication that, you know, he is 100% dead. Do you think
00:44:43
Speaker
He really, you know, we saw the last of tech or do you think there's a surprise? I think there's going to be a surprise at some point. I don't think they're going to waste this opportunity with his character, whether he comes back as himself or they because of all this, maybe some severe injuries, they have to kind of build them kind of like a Darth Vader kind of character, you know, who knows? But I'm sure we're going to have some sort of surprise.
00:45:07
Speaker
Yeah, I would hope so. Yeah, I can't see them just wasting that opportunity unless they can find some real good dramatic reason to keep them dead and like maybe that's just the motivation for the bad batch to go on the missions that they're going to continue going on. Perhaps, yeah.
00:45:23
Speaker
Yeah, who knows? We got a lot of Captain Rex in that trailer. Yes, absolutely. Now, that's got me really excited because as we know, the clones have been pretty much phased out at this point. And there's going to be some sort of I don't know if you want to call it a civil war, if there's going to be some sort of there's going to be some sort of uprising by the clones. I think the clones are going to finally realize that they got used and that they're devalued and they're going to try to fight somehow for their rights or for something and it's going to fail.
00:45:52
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. So the season, the three episode premiere, do you think we're going to get a rescue mission started and completed in that three episode arc? Or do you think that the three episodes are just going to set up the rest of the season, which, you know, then the season long arc will be rescuing Omega?
00:46:16
Speaker
I think that yes, definitely there's going to be a big piece with Omega. I think that's going to be the crux of a lot of it. Now, I watched the trailer several times to try to pick out as much as I could. But what I did was as I went on YouTube and looked at some of the other reviews that other people did and gave me some help me to kind of catch things that maybe that I missed. OK. There is a point where it looks like crosshair actually is reunited with the rest of the bad batch.
00:46:43
Speaker
But there's a discussion. There might be a time jump that maybe crosshair gets rescued while they're trying to rescue Omega. But Omega has to get left behind. And part of the reason why that was said is because there are two points. If you at the beginning of the trailer, Omega looks like herself, like when she's being scanned by those beams later on, she's actually looks like she's piloting a shuttle or some kind of ship and she looks older as well.
00:47:09
Speaker
So I had my own in my own watch. So what the theory on it is is that, again, they're going to rescue crosshair because there were some scenes in there where it looks like crosshair was with them in his original outfit.
00:47:23
Speaker
And so it looks like maybe a mega didn't wasn't so lucky. And, and there was a point where I think it was Hunter who made the comment, it's been a long time since she's been waiting for us, something to that effect. So it's got to be some sort of time jump coming. Yeah. Yeah. You're probably right. So whatever, whatever fan pointed that out, kudos, man, that I didn't catch it either when I was watching the trailer. So to be fair, I've only watched the trailer once and, you know,
00:47:52
Speaker
since it debuted. So I now I need to go back and watch it again, obviously, what it is about the trip. Some people are really good at like analyzing those kind of things that are moving so fast. It's hard to keep up. I mean, this guy was I can't remember who it was. I think his name was Eric voice. He has a channel. And but he was even able to pick out little like
00:48:13
Speaker
Like there was a scene where there was a shuttle that had been crashed and there were two little figures that he was able to point out. One of them looked like Omega and one looked like Fennec Shand and like, I'm like, how did you pick this out for ants in like, you know, like in a mountain? It was I don't know, but he was good at it. And, you know, it brought some really interesting thoughts about what could be coming up. And there was also the thought that maybe the
00:48:38
Speaker
the beginning shots that we saw in the trailer might not actually happen until later in the season because I think they said because they saw crosshair in that that I don't think he had a name for that vehicle. I know it was in episode three during the Kashyyyk battle. People are driving, but I can't remember the name, but crosshair is apparently in that vehicle with them. OK, OK, huh. Well, wow. Yeah, I'm really just.
00:49:07
Speaker
I'm blown away by this trailer. There's so much and this show is so good. I'll be honest, season one was a bit rocky for me, but season two was incredible. They really turned up the intensity on that season and I loved it. I didn't know if I was going to have the same reaction
00:49:29
Speaker
to season two, as I did to season one. I was not looking forward to it nearly as much. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Here's another thing that I really liked about the trailers. We've got to see the Emperor. Yes. Now it's like when he was Supreme Chancellor of the Republic, he was always there, always in the Senate meetings, things like that. But we noticed in season two, they were making the comment in the Imperial Senate that he never really shows up. Most of the media is usually there in his race.
00:49:57
Speaker
You know, and I don't, I don't know why, why the emperor of playing it in the shadows, you know, now, now that he's got complete power, why he's doing that. So now we're seeing him a little bit more and I'm hoping we'll get some more answers to that. But what I also love about his little section that we saw, he's talking about the research with Dr. Hemlock and obviously we know that's about the clone stuff that's going on. Yes. So the, the whole talk about whatever
00:50:22
Speaker
resources you need, you have them. Yes, exactly. And it's going to be important for the empire to grow based on this research. And what I really enjoy about this is, you know, the sequel trilogy gets a lot of bad press from a lot of the fans and different sites and things like that. But they're still tying a lot of the current stuff that's kind of prequel esque basically into the sequel trilogy. And we know that this is going to tie in with all of the cloning stuff that happens with Palpatine and the Rise of Skywalker.
00:50:52
Speaker
Wait, wait, wait. So you need to tell me that that contrary to what people like Mike Zero and Star Wars theory say that they're not rewriting the sequel trilogy with the bad batch. Oh, exactly. I know, Mike. What? I know. I know. It's hard to believe, isn't it? But I know I love. I love that. I love that they're like saying, you know what? You may not like this, but the hey, this is Star Wars lore. We're proud of the work we did and we're tying it all together. And I.
00:51:19
Speaker
I feel like I feel so betrayed by these guys that I don't watch their videos. Get out here. I know. I know. Exactly. You know, you and I have talked about this. The sequel trilogy is really not that bad. I mean, it went off the rails a little bit and had to recover at the end. But I mean, it's it's interesting stuff that they introduced the characters I thought were interesting. I don't think Ray gets enough respect. I think they treat her like garbage. Yeah, much. And, you know, I always thought Ray was a likable character.
00:51:48
Speaker
Mm hmm. I agree. It's just, yeah, well, the Internet, the Internet. Yeah, different, different. But I just I love that they're tying in the Emperor's obsession with cloning and how that ties into him having that clone body on Exegol. And, you know, it's a big overarching story. And I don't think this will be the ending that we the end of all of it. I mean, there's all this cloning going on in the Mandalorian, too. You know, right. Right. A big thing, big theme that continues on through the rest of the stories.
00:52:16
Speaker
All right, so should we talk about the Sith apprentice in the room? Oh, yes, I'm going to leave that one up to you. Well, so at the very end of the trailer, we get the the dulcet tones and a flash of yellow lightsabers. What's that about? And as well as a new hairstyle and overall just like a brand new refreshed character model for Asajj Ventress.
00:52:44
Speaker
which is just mind blowing in and of itself.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah, so what you're referring to, Chris, is the Dark Disciple novel that basically took three unproduced episodes of The Clone Wars, expanded it, and it was essentially a Ventress story, as well as a Quinlan Voss story that talks about those two characters. But at the end of the book, Ventress supposedly dies.
00:53:17
Speaker
And that book apparently takes place. It takes place prior to the point in the timeline that we are with the Bad Batch, yet here's Ventress showing up. But the funny thing about that is the showrunner for the Bad Batch has already said he basically had what seemed like a prepared statement because he knew fans were going to
00:53:40
Speaker
wonder what how they were going to do this. But he basically said that they have written it in such a way that will keep that story intact as well as add to the lore of Ventress. So we'll see. We will see. Exactly. Now, there's a theory online. I guess it was actually from the same guy that I was I was watching earlier. He said that maybe she's reanimated with some of that Nightsisters magic.
00:54:08
Speaker
I mean, it is possible. Yeah, I mean, and he was showing like, examples of like, different things from Ahsoka when those Nightsisters were using their powers and stuff like that to resurrect the stormtrooper. But at the same time, like she has new lightsabers, they're yellow, they're not red. So that's changed. She no longer has a red blade. Yeah, and she doesn't act like a zombie. She acts like literally like herself. Yeah.
00:54:34
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think that theory is is going to hold any water, unfortunately. But yeah, I think you're right about that. You know, that would that would be kind of crappy if they did it that way. You know, so I mean, granted, it's not the first time that they have essentially retold a story that had appeared in a different medium. I mean, the Bad Batch itself, the first season kicked off with, you know, a retelling of the Canaan Jarrus
00:55:03
Speaker
origin story you know how he became how you how he went from yeah wow why am I drawing a blank on his his name Caleb doom Caleb doom yes yes so they kind of rewrote that whole story which had been its own comic right so
00:55:22
Speaker
We know that if something that happens on screen and something officially canon, it does overwrite any print materials. That's kind of been the rule. But I'm hopeful that it actually, you know, we were led to believe that Ventress is dead, but she didn't die. And that she's essentially been
00:55:42
Speaker
Maybe she's a mercenary. Maybe she's very similar in style to Balan's goal in Shinhati from Ahsoka. You know, maybe she's more like a Jedi Ronin, essentially. Mm hmm. Absolutely. I was actually I was thinking the same thing. What you know that she's probably out for hire to try to go after the Bad Batch or.
00:56:00
Speaker
you know something something yeah yeah so it's just it was really cool i wasn't expecting it to be her when i heard the voice i thought it was the what was the name of the character that betrayed the bad batch that rhea pearlman yes i can't remember her name
00:56:17
Speaker
Fie is the one played by Wanda Sykes. I can't remember her name. The traitorous slug. Yes, exactly. I thought that was her saying that stuff. And then when Ventress popped up, I'm like, what the heck? I didn't know where she died, but I knew the character was dead.
00:56:36
Speaker
Yeah. You know, so it was like, what in the heck? Another resurrected character? Here we go. Yeah. Well, we'll see what happens, I guess. Exactly. But I mean, it's going to be this is going to be one heck of a season. I wish this wasn't going to be the last one. I'm kind of wondering why they're ending it after, you know, season three. But I guess maybe they feel that's just enough story. Yeah, I mean.
00:56:59
Speaker
Let them end the story on their own terms. Don't keep something running just because it's successful, just because it's popular. Yeah, tell the story you want to tell and there's always future animation projects, you know? Absolutely. Which, so I find it interesting that season three wraps up on May 1st. That's conveniently timed for the following Saturday, isn't it?
00:57:25
Speaker
Absolutely. Pretty much. Yeah. So I wonder what kind of announcements we're going to get on Saturday, May 4th. Do you think we'll find out about a new animated series? Oh, that's a good question. I can't imagine that they're going to not do something animated. You know, just hopefully it'll be something, you know, clever and ties into the overall arc. Right. Well, they don't do a Star Wars resistance kind of show. I'm sorry. That show was awful.
00:57:52
Speaker
I didn't even make it through all of the first season. I don't think so. Yeah. I mean, they had a lot of potential. They could have done with the whole thing with her before, you know, with the first order and everything. And they turned it into a racing show with kids. And it's like, come on. So it was it. Sorry, I'm sorry if I'm being a. No, you're good. You're good. And I love I love I'm very open with a lot of these Star Trek and Star Wars things, but that show sucked.
00:58:19
Speaker
I mean, how dare you express an opinion contrary to, you know, everything Star Wars is great. Yeah, I know. Exactly. Exactly. I mean, I have friends that are hardcore Star Wars fans that they hated it too. And I was like, wow, OK. You know, it's just it just had an odd feel to it. Yeah. So there were some good episodes here and there. Like in season two, I liked I liked that one a little bit better. But overall,
00:58:47
Speaker
Well, yeah, yeah, I don't even know if I can you even watch that show anywhere anymore? I think it's still on Disney Plus. I could be okay, but I thought I saw it. I don't know. Maybe I'll maybe I'll try to give it another shot. We'll see. Yeah, it's a good idea for a show. Maybe you and I can rewatch it and do a review. Oh, maybe.
00:59:08
Speaker
Yeah, hey, let's add it to the slush pile of shows that we might get to at some point. Exactly. So I really don't have anything else as far as news
Conclusion and Future Hopes
00:59:20
Speaker
to cover. I think we kind of hit all the big points and it's safe to say we're very excited for Bad Batch season three in a month. Very much so. Cannot wait. All right. Any final words of wisdom or final thoughts from you, Chris?
00:59:37
Speaker
Not really. I'm just hoping that we get some news from both franchises and when we're going to get new episodes of stuff. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's coming. Yeah. The writer strikes what really affected a lot of this. It really did. Yeah.
00:59:50
Speaker
But hey, that's in the review. So exactly. So it may things might be a little bit delayed. I know we're going to get more stuff this year. There's no denying it. Oh, yeah. You know, it's just I'd like be nice to hear some of this week and be like, OK, let's put it on our calendars here in the countdown. I mean, we got discovery and then we've got the is it is the Section 31 movie supposed to be available this year?
01:00:10
Speaker
I think they they're getting ready to start production on it. Oh, so they haven't even started filming. Geez. Yeah. Yeah. And I know Strange New World season three, they just finished at least the second episode. Is there a picture of the director of the episode on in the captain's chair on X. So it's it's being made and lower deck season five should be pretty much done, too. It might. They were saying on Trek movie dot com that it was probably
01:00:36
Speaker
They're hoping that it'll still come out in the summer like the other four seasons did, but it might be delayed a little bit because of the writer's strike, but that's it. Right. Yeah. That's okay. You know, I don't mind waiting a few months if we have to. Right. It's just as long as we have some information to be like, okay, now we know when it's coming. So we have something to look forward to.
01:00:54
Speaker
Yep. All right. So I think we're going to end it there for episode 34 of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. I think we've kind of exhausted the gauntlet of topics that we've spoken about today. So until our next episode, which will be sometime in February, may the force be with you. And live long and prosper.