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CLL #28 - Picard S3, Pt. 1
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Chris and Jonathan are joined by Mikey from the Deuceast Movie Show Podcast to break down the incredible third season of Star Trek Picard! The discussion was so lively and in depth that it ran for nearly THREE HOURS! So we’re releasing it in two parts the month of July, as Episodes 28 and 29.
Episode 28 of CLL has the usual stuff like How Did You Geek This Week and a couple news stories. Then, the first five episodes of Picard season three are discussed before the ending theme for the podcast kicks in. Fun was had in this first half, some potshots are taken at the Sequel trilogy, and much 12 Monkeys love gets showered upon the show!
0:00 Introduction
3:39 HDYGTW
15:15 Writers’ Strike Fallout
22:43 Picard Physical Media
31:00 E1: The Next Generation
43:30 E2: Disengage
54:15 E3: Seventeen Seconds
1:09:20 E4: No-Win Scenario
1:23:48 E5: Impostors
1:36:19 Outro
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Meet the Hosts and Guest
00:01:13
Speaker
Welcome to episode 28 of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers podcast. We are the podcast on the Geek News Now network that discusses both Star Trek and Star Wars in the same podcast. My name is Jonathan and I'm joined as always by my co-host, Chris. How's it going? I'm good, Jonathan. It's good to be back. Hello, everybody.
00:01:36
Speaker
Chris isn't the only one joining me today. Today we are talking about the third and final season of Star Trek Picard. And that show is just too big to just be the two of us and yakking nonstop about it. So we have a guest joining us. Our guest today is a podcast host in his own right, but I'll let him tell you a little bit more about that. Welcome to the show, Mikey.
00:02:01
Speaker
Hey Jonathan, hey Chris, thanks so much for having me on. I'm excited to get to do something that I don't often get to do on my podcast, which is talk about Star Trek television. That is something that I have been watching since I was a kid, so I'm looking forward
00:02:19
Speaker
to discussing that with you guys. My podcast, the deuce cast movie show in the title is mostly about movies. So yeah, sure, we've talked about the Star Trek films, but to dive into a television series is a brave new world for me. So I'm excited to dive in with you guys. Very nice.
00:02:38
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Yeah. Is it a strange new world or just brave? Just brave, just brave. It's not strange. That's saved for a Captain Pike show that we all know and love. There you go. Sorry for the dad joke, everybody, but you had to know it was coming. All right. So, hey, on that note, Mikey, thanks again for coming on. I've been listening to the Deuce Cast for quite a few years now and
00:03:08
Speaker
You always put out a quality product. It's always fun to listen to you and Dr. Earl and Dave talking about all the movies that you've seen and everything. It's a good show. So check it out. It's the Deuce Cast Movie Show. We will link to the Apple Podcasts page for that so that you can check it out. Definitely appreciate that. Yeah, absolutely. And it's the least I can do for you for coming on. I appreciate it.
Current Shows and Streaming Trends
00:03:39
Speaker
Okay, so we're gonna kick off the show the way we always do, and that's with How Did You Geek this week. We're gonna start with our guest, Mikey.
00:03:48
Speaker
Well, I mean, we sort of talked about it already, but Strange New World season two started back up. So I took advantage of that and watched the first episode, very much enjoyed it. The pacing was very similar to the first season, lots of action, some good comedy, which, you know, Anson Mount has always got the good comedic timing.
00:04:14
Speaker
Um, and the high stakes, I mean, even in the first episode, there was high stakes going on. So I really, not to spoil it or anything, but I really did enjoy it. So I enjoyed doing that. I did several other geeky things this week as well, but if I'm only allowed to have one.
00:04:31
Speaker
That's the one I'll mention. There's no rules in this section. Do you have any more nerd stuff? Bring it up. Oh, sure. I mean, Secret Invasion obviously started for the MCU, and it's been a minute since we've had an MCU show on Disney+. So I was very excited for that. And if you watched
00:04:53
Speaker
and or so Star Wars and or I think tonally it's very similar this this it's got a very serious tone to it and it looks like
00:05:06
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It's going to be a pretty intense show, so I really implore you to watch that if you've been keeping track of the MCU shows. It's only six episodes, so it's going to be an easy watch at least. It'll just be six weeks of your life since they don't do the binge model on Disney+. Okay, so only one episode was released today.
00:05:27
Speaker
Correct. Yeah. Okay. The marketing confused me a little bit because it almost sounded like they were dropping all six episodes at once. No, no, they are doing that for a show later this year called Echo, but which is that was a character that was in the Hawkeye series, but they they are doing the standard weekly release with this particular show.
00:05:52
Speaker
All right, very cool. I also watched Strange New World. It wasn't the most thrilling episode. Like you said, Mikey, there are some high stakes just with the way that they're threading in some things that happened in the previous season already.
Star Trek and Personal Memories
00:06:06
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But it was it was a nice softball set up to reintroduce us to the characters and the everything that has had taken place in the first season, which, you know, it was it was a good start to the season. I'm hoping that it kicks a little more into high gear.
00:06:21
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And Chris, I know you haven't had a chance to watch it yet, so. Yeah, it's all my agenda within the next day or so. But I'm looking forward to it. Part of what I'm really looking forward to seeing the Klingons with their makeup. They brought them with a kind of looking like Klingons again, not like the Discovery version. So that made me a little bit excited just to see the day. Or the TOS version. Exactly, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I'm interested in that. That's what's really going to drive me to watch the episode is to kind of see that Klingon arc.
00:06:50
Speaker
But hopefully within the next day or two, I'll get to watch it. Yeah, the more I think about it, the more I hate the design of the Klingons.
00:06:59
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the beginning of discovery. That was just media. Yeah. Yeah. Isn't it what people call them? The cling orcs? That's what they're called. Yeah. Yeah. Online say something like that. Yeah. So yes. But I mean, at least it shows that the Star Trek producers are trying to listen to the fans and kind of brought them back in line with with the way they look during the next generation era. So, you know, kudos to them for for doing that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:25
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And speaking of listening to fans, I think our discussion today is really going to be the ultimate testament to listening to the fans and giving them what they want, right? Absolutely. Definitely. I think there's a lot of excitement with people about wanting to discuss Picard season three because it was just like a nerd-gasm of stuff. You know what I mean? Very much so.
00:07:47
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, yeah, I was like after it was it was so good. It was like after the episode ended, you were like, OK, I got to watch the next one, but I got to wait a week. Oh, man. You know, it was horrible, you know, but the season was just incredible. It was a wonderful ending to the next generation. I hope they don't do anything more with them.
00:08:04
Speaker
It was a beautiful ending for them. Yeah, yeah. No, no, you're right. I mean, you know, fans are clamoring for that whole Star Trek legacy thing, which I think could incorporate some of the next gen characters if they wanted to, obviously. Sure. But, you know, you're right, though. It was a nice ending to that crew in total. So, yeah, it was good. Absolutely. All right. So, Chris, how did you geek this week? Oh, let's see here.
00:08:33
Speaker
This week, didn't really do much of any geeking this week. If you don't mind, I can go back a couple things throughout June that I've done. Yeah, go for it. First weekend in June, as I said in our previous episode, I'm a member of the USS Stella Parada through Starfleet International, and we did the Three Rivers Comic Con. I believe it was June 3rd, June 4th.
00:08:56
Speaker
The attendance at the con was a little less this year, but there was a lot of stuff going on. In addition to the con, you had the Three Rivers Arts Festival, you had the Pride Parade, and there was something else going on at the exact same time. So everybody's loyalty basically was torn. So it was a slower weekend than last year, but we still did very good at our table with our games that we played to earn money for our charity called Extra Life.
00:09:25
Speaker
and we ended up making well over $300 and we were just $40 short of what we made last time. So for being a slower weekend, I think we did a pretty good job. So we were all happy about that.
00:09:36
Speaker
Yeah, and I think the other thing with attendance at Three Rivers Comic Con was at the time the Pirates were riding a hot streak. So that's it. There are actually butts in seats. Exactly. So yeah. So the attendance was down a little bit at the con, but it was an absolute blast. And we got to see some really great cosplay there. And there were some little kids were there having a good time. Their eyes were lighting up and they were loving the games that we had for the charity. So it was a good time.
00:10:06
Speaker
Um, let's see, the only other real thing I've done geek this week was, uh, well on June 9th, uh, I'm probably in the minority here, but most Star Trek fans don't like Star Trek five. But for me, it's a special movie because it was the first one that was old enough to see in the theater. I was eight years old when it first came out in 89. So I, as part of my tradition, I always watch it on, on, uh, here at the house. So it was nice to just kind of sit back, chill and rewatch it and relive some old memories.
00:10:35
Speaker
It's been 34 years already since it came out. Yeah, you might like this first episode of Strange New Worlds, then. Oh, good. Oh, good. There's a little nugget. Something else is going to pull me in. Yeah, there's a little nugget in there for you. Nice, nice. Looking forward to it. Looking forward to it. And really, I think that's about it. Oh, I did go to a place called CD Warehouse yesterday.
00:10:59
Speaker
And I got the first season of the original Star Trek series on Blu-ray and got a Star Trek Klingon fan collective on DVD. I saw the different episodes they had on here and it was worth the buy. So that's that's pretty much it. That's all my nerding for the week for the month so far. All right. So I guess that leaves me. So.
00:11:22
Speaker
Probably about two weeks ago, my wife and I started watching the show 12 monkeys. It was a sci-fi original series. Um, it started in 2015 and it is based on the film starring Brad Pitt, directed by Terry Gilliam from 92. Is that correct? Mikey? No, I thought it was 90. Was it later? I thought it was 90. Okay. I could be wrong. I don't know. Yeah.
00:11:50
Speaker
The 90s are a blur. I don't know. But yeah, it's based on the film. What's what's interesting about it is it ran four seasons, a plan for seasons. So it was always designed to end that way the way that it did. We finished the first season, I guess, of note. It's maybe important to mention that the showrunner for season three of Picard, Terry Metallus,
00:12:17
Speaker
was the creator and executive producer on 12 Monkeys as well. And watching Picard in my rewatch and preparing for this episode, I started to notice a lot more connections to 12 Monkeys that I didn't catch the first time because now I'm familiar with the show. And that's more than just the fact that Todd Stashwick is in both shows.
00:12:46
Speaker
other nods and other references to 12 monkeys in season three of Picard that I picked up on now. That's cool. Yeah, I didn't I watched a little bit of that series when it had its original run, but I did not complete that series. I wasn't like
00:13:01
Speaker
a huge 12 monkeys fan. So wasn't totally drawn to it. But it was intriguing. And it certainly had a fan base. I mean, it was a critically acclaimed show from what I understand. I don't know, you know, back then, if a lot of people were watching it at the time, but
00:13:17
Speaker
It it did have Some some critics that seemed to like it quite a bit. Mm-hmm. Oh, it's really good. It's very well crafted Terry metallus really knows how to Create a serialized show. I mean everything matters everything that you see matters But it's not a show that you can watch casually
00:13:38
Speaker
Like you have to be fully paying attention. You can't just put it on the background and just hope that you pick up on the main, you know, everything that's going on because there were times where I glanced away from the screen for one or two minutes just checking my phone and I was, I had to rewind.
00:13:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, and it's interesting that you say that because he seems like he really excels at character work. And that really came through with Picard season three, whereas to me, at least the previous two seasons were lacking in that somewhat. And he really brought out some of really the best character work in a Star Trek series since, you know, like Deep Space Nine, in my opinion. I mean, it was really, really good stuff.
00:14:25
Speaker
Yeah. He was, he did a really good job of showing the crew how much they had matured together and how they truly had become a big family. And, you know, and then they even made the enterprise D part of that family too, by bringing it back and bringing data back. I mean, it was just, I just, it was mind blowing what he was able to do. And, uh, I, there was nothing but praise that came from the next generation cast for the endings for all, for their characters. I didn't believe it was LeVar Burton who actually said in an interview, if this is the last time I ever played Jordy LaForge, I'll be satisfied.
00:14:55
Speaker
Yeah, no. And I mean that, yeah, how could you not feel that way after the stuff that they all got to do? I mean, it was really great. Absolutely. Oh, right. Um, anybody have any other geeky things to talk about before we move on? No, I don't think so. Move the ship out of the asteroid field so that we can send a clear transmission. Captain. Incoming message. Come closer, I have good news.
00:15:25
Speaker
All right. Well, on that note, we will cover some news. So the first thing we kind of already talked about, and that was the premiere of Strange New World. So we're going to skip right next. We're going to skip right down to the next one. So, you know, on the last episode, we talked about the the writer strike that's going on in Hollywood right now. And
00:15:49
Speaker
I know that we had surmised that we're going to see some things getting delayed, but it really didn't take all that long to, you know, to know what, you know, the state of Star Wars because of the writer's strike. So the 2025 theatrical film that was
00:16:08
Speaker
What it was supposed to be the continuation of Ray's story in the new Jedi order, I believe that got bumped to 2026. So as of right now, we have two Star Wars movies set to come out in 2026. So which is crazy. I mean, it'll be interesting to see if they actually stick with that. But yeah, it's a May and a December seems like a lot of Star Wars in one year. But we'll see. We'll see what happens. I mean, it was December into May with
00:16:39
Speaker
episode nine and solo so but that that was another well you know what hey we have right after christmas for them to start promoting so super bowl sunday i imagine we might get if the plan stays uh the way it's supposed to be i imagine super bowl sunday will get the first big trailer for the may release and um
00:17:04
Speaker
Yeah, then they can start marketing pretty much, they could probably start marketing right away after what, three, four weeks in theatrical run? Oh yeah, yeah. I mean, it'll be nonstop Star Wars that year. It'll be a big, big Star Wars year.
Impact of Writer's Strike on Star Wars
00:17:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, if you think about what shows are going to be going on on Disney Plus as well, so you know, the movies and the shows, there's going to be quite a, I don't want to say an overload, but it'll be definitely saturated that year, like you said.
00:17:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I mean, pretty much every studio is gonna be playing catch up for things that they had, you know, planned, they're just gonna have to push all of it back because of the writer strike. And, and so we're going to get a ton of shows and movies that
00:17:51
Speaker
were probably, they had a plan for them to come out in a certain period of time and they're gonna have to truncate that quite a bit and get all that content out. So it'll be interesting to see how that happens. I mean, I don't know what they're... I just hope there's not an actor strike also because there is a rumor that SAG is wanting to strike as well. So we'll see how that goes. Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, I know. I know. It's not a good time for Hollywood. No. Nothing.
00:18:20
Speaker
Before the pandemic, I don't remember getting all of this information about release dates being shifted. Did it happen prior to the pandemic and we just didn't really pay attention?
00:18:35
Speaker
I mean, I paid attention to all. Yeah, it's a game that they all play. They've always played this type of game because they're always wanting to placate the shareholders. And so shareholders love to know what's coming in the future. And so the release date game has always kind of been a thing in Hollywood.
00:18:56
Speaker
But it just seems like more people are aware of it now because of the pandemic, because of now the riders strike. I mean, people are just hyper aware of shifting and what it can do to a studio stock. I mean, and shareholders displeasure and all that type of stuff. And so it's just kind of always been a thing, but now it's just very, everyone's more aware of it now.
00:19:25
Speaker
Yeah, the news cycle has taken over and really sensationalized it, I think. Oh, for sure. But yeah, yeah. Essentially, that used to be, you know, you'd have to dig on the Internet to find the shareholder meetings and such to really know that kind of information or follow the trades or something, right? Right. Yeah, exactly. Now it's like all the fan sites just take that news and run with it in a million directions.
00:19:53
Speaker
So, um, yeah, back in the nineties, I made my dad subscribe to variety. Uh, so yeah, I've, I've been an Uber film nerd for, for quite a while.
00:20:09
Speaker
Uh, I mean, I was always the video game nerd growing up. So I can certainly, uh, relate to that because I made sure that we had subscriptions to game pro and, uh, Nintendo power at the time. Of course. Yeah, of course. At our house, it was Star Trek, the official fan club that then it became Star Trek communicator. Yeah. That does constantly. My twin brother and I, every other month would take turns on who got to read it first. That's awesome.
00:20:39
Speaker
Did you ever fight about who's going first? No, but we went after and we thought that every single time we thought the other one was taking too long We'd be like, come on, let's go. I want my turn. When are you gonna be done? You know, so but yeah, I'm sure it did cause a fight or two here and there I just maybe don't remember them. But uh, we were very passionate about that magazine You have to I mean you have to be passionate about the things you love Otherwise what exactly?
00:21:10
Speaker
Exactly, yeah. And it made some good memories and things that we can laugh about. So that was just something that my twin brother and I bonded over with Star Trek and just the magazines and all the toys and all those kinds of things. And it creates some really great memories that stick with you throughout your life. So hopefully he'll be home soon from the Pacific so that we can actually sit down and talk about this. I can't wait to talk Picard season three with him.
00:21:37
Speaker
when he gets home, I don't think he's been on deployment in the Pacific for the last seven months. So I don't think he's gotten to watch it yet. So he's going to watch the fresh eyes when he comes home and and see. And then I just can't wait to dive into it with him because we're going to geek out. And there's nothing like watching two twins geeking out. We can and we can fight, too. Let me tell you, two identical twins fighting. It's a sight. Trust me. That's so funny.
00:22:07
Speaker
Oh, that's great. Um, yeah, I can I would love to be a fly on the wall for that discussion that you and Matt have So yeah, so he'll you know, if if he's up to it I'll record it and put it on my youtube channel and see That would be an interesting interesting video So an idea, thank you
00:22:33
Speaker
Very nice. I will make sure that I watch that video as soon as I see the notification pop up on my phone if it comes to that. You got it. All right. So the last bit of news that we have is some physical media news.
Picard Final Season and Legacy Collection
00:22:50
Speaker
And I know the three of us are big physical media people. So this is pretty exciting, although it might be a little pricey. So we found out that
00:23:00
Speaker
The final season of Picard, in addition to the other two seasons, are going to be released on a Blu-ray DVD and Blu-ray Steel book a little bit later this year. And in addition to that, this is the one I'm most excited about, and that is the Picard Legacy Collection. This thing has every single episode, film, or anything that Jean-Luc Picard has been a part of. So you get
00:23:30
Speaker
what all seven seasons of Star Trek The Next Generation, you get the first three, or the three seasons of Picard, you get all four feature films and some nice collectibles as well as what 35 hours of bonus features. This thing is on 54 Blu-ray discs. 54.
00:23:55
Speaker
54 blu-ray discs I know 154 episodes of television four feature films 35 hours of bonus features. Yeah, this is insane
00:24:12
Speaker
It's really interesting because thinking about my collection that I've got of physical media, being a movie guy, I've never really bought that many TV sets. For some reason, I've just never purchased anything TV-wise. I've got a few obviously because Star Wars had some animated series that
00:24:34
Speaker
uh did have physical releases i wish they'd released the disney plus series on physical media because i would buy that see you guys and you star trek fans are so spoiled because paramount does release all y'all stuff but uh disney plus and i'm really hoping that
00:24:53
Speaker
they decide to start they would make so much money if they delete release like Mandalorian and any of them on physical but there's for some reason there's not doing it it's really frustrating because I don't I have a few things obviously digital but I don't like collecting digital I mean it's just not my thing right I want to be able to hold something in my hand and put it in my 4k player and watch it
00:25:19
Speaker
Well, I'll be honest with you. I have some bootlegs of it that I've managed to get at a con. So I have the first two seasons in the Mandalorian, the Book of Boba Fett and Obi-Wan Kenobi. They didn't have Andor during the April convention. So I'm hoping that when I go back, it'll be there. But I don't like sitting and watching stuff on the computer or on my phone. I like to be able to put it in the machine and watch it on my TV set.
00:25:42
Speaker
And the reality of it, especially from the 4K side of things, is any 4K stream is not going to be better than the 4K disc itself. You're going to get a better picture in all situations on the 4K disc itself versus the streaming. Well, yeah, because you have so many variables that factor into the quality on streaming. Exactly. So, I mean, it's frustrating. I would really love Lucasfilm to release those physical.
00:26:12
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, but that Picard set, man, that thing is a thing of beauty. Just looking at the pictures of it, I'm like, man, that is awesome. I mean, but I mean, Disney has always been such a big proponent of physical media too, in the past, and it's just baffling. I mean, the way that they feel like the market went, but I think that
00:26:35
Speaker
I think with Iger being back at the helm, I think maybe they're going to put an emphasis a little bit more back on physical media. So we will see if they start to release some Disney Plus stuff on physical media. I mean, they haven't even released, and this is one of the most frustrating things, is they haven't even released that final season of The Clone Wars on physical that they have for Disney Plus. I mean, I've got...
00:27:01
Speaker
you know all the other seasons on physical because it was a different company at the time it was like cartoon network and so yeah they released all of those um through cartoon network and lucasfilm but when disney bought lucasfilm just at the time everybody thought digital was just going to be
00:27:19
Speaker
something that everyone did, but, um, if you look at industry figures, DVD, like old school DVD still sells more than like Blu-ray and obviously four K's more niche, but, uh, but the old school DVDs, there's still a huge market for that because there's still a lot of places in the United States that just don't have access to good internet. So streaming services and digital stuff.
00:27:49
Speaker
is not in the zeitgeist for those people. And so they're still out there going and buying regular DVDs at Walmart for stuff. And so it's really interesting that industry hasn't really, I mean, Blu-ray is pretty popular, but the 4K one worries me a bit because that is still really a niche industry, like the 4K physical media. I mean, not a lot of people
00:28:16
Speaker
have switched over or upgraded in this case from Blu-ray to 4K. It's still a pretty small percentage of people, but man, I'm telling you, a 4K disc on a 4K TV, again, a thing of beauty. It looks so good. I guess that's one thing I kind of take for granted is because I'm a gamer and I do generally get the latest and greatest systems, I automatically, ever since the PlayStation 3, I essentially have
00:28:43
Speaker
the best possible Blu-ray player that you can have. It's just built into the console. Yeah, and the advantage of that is the easy firmware upgrades for the longest time. I mean, anytime, especially the PS3, if they had a firmware upgrade for the Blu-ray player, I mean, that would make you have the latest and greatest without having to buy another Blu-ray player.
00:29:08
Speaker
because I kept doing really good firmware upgrades. Sony has always been really good about firmware upgrades for their hardware. I mean, that's just kind of like been something that I've noticed. And owning Sony, even owning Sony Blu-ray players and my Sony 4k player, it'll do firmware upgrades every once in a while, just so they make sure they have just the latest greatest software for their for their hardware, basically. Yeah.
00:29:33
Speaker
I mean, Sony has always been a higher cost of ownership, but the benefits, I mean, they're not always tangible benefits either, you know? Right, right. You don't always see the value until you realize that they're doing things like that behind the scenes. Yep, yep. Man, I didn't mean for this to become a physical media preaching session, but I could do it all night. We need to move on to Picard, I think. That's a perfect transition.
00:30:02
Speaker
You know, we we always tangent and go rambling sometimes. So this honestly, that fits the format of this show. Let's let's be honest. What makes it fun and what makes it more realistic is I was just kind of talking, you know, and just sharing thoughts with each other. That's what's fun.
00:30:19
Speaker
Oh, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. And see, I'm always so like held back by Dave and Dr. Earl on my podcast. I don't get to talk about physical media ever. So I'm taking advantage of it. It's taboo on your show, right? That's right. They just want me to talk about the newest movies. Don't talk about your physical media collection. Come here and join us anytime. You can talk physical media to your heart's content. Awesome. For sure. Yeah.
00:30:47
Speaker
Alright, well, since Mikey, our guest, decided to transition us and just steal my spotlight.
Picard's Final Season Episode Discussion
00:30:57
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Yeah, I think that's a good place to start talking about Picard. Don't get technical with me. Magic. It is the beginning of wisdom, Valerius. Not the end. A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense.
00:31:15
Speaker
Chris, I know I took the lead on the Mandalorian discussion, and Star Trek has always been so near and dear to you. You had asked me if you could take the lead on this, and I am happy to oblige. So however you'd like to start this conversation, just take it away.
00:31:34
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Mikey and I will fill in with our thoughts and as you know, as the times are appropriate. So go ahead. All right. Well, I think what we'll do is we'll just dive right into just discussing all 10 episodes of the final season here. So we'll start with episode one, the season premiere called the next generation. So basically this episode, just brief synopsis is.
00:31:54
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the SS Elios with Beverly Crusher and an unidentified man on board the ship was being attacked. Dr. Crusher gets injured and she sends out a distress signal to Admiral Picard. So then it jumps into
00:32:08
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his Chateau Picard on Earth, he and Laris are getting ready to move to another planet and he's packing up all of his things when he finally hears this message from Dr. Crusher and she says, trust no one. So obviously he goes and decides he's going to talk to Captain Riker about his concerns and
00:32:28
Speaker
they find out, I guess they find like basically where a general idea of where her ship is at. And so what they do is they scheme to get aboard the Titan A as a way of some sort of like impromptu, what would you call it? Inspection, something like that. And to take them out to where the Elios was at. So Captain Shaw is the captain of the ship. And when he hears about this plan, he says, absolutely not.
00:32:55
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Seven and nine, who's now the first officer, actually tries to convince the captain that this is important, but he doesn't want to hear any part of it. So she breaks orders and orders the Titan to this this space, this star system where the Elios is at. They go over to the ship
00:33:13
Speaker
And they are they see Beverly in cryostasis for her injuries. And the record gets held hostage by a young man who claims to be Dr. Crusher's son. Also in this episode, we see that Raffy is working with Starfleet intelligence. She's trying to find out some information about some sort of plot that seems to be going on and about possibly a facility being destroyed, which ends up happening later on in the episode.
00:33:42
Speaker
And so there's a bigger kind of plan that seems to be happening that's going to be going on through the season. So I really love this episode. It was a great way to reintroduce the characters. Again, for once, it finally looked like Admiral Picard wasn't depressed all the time and questioning life. And, you know, he goes back to just kind of being Picard. You know, he was enjoying life. He seemed to be happy in his new relationship with Laris, which unfortunately now
00:34:11
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He had to leave her behind because he had to go off on another mission with his old crew. I loved the whole thing with the Enterprise D communicator and the way the message went down. I thought that was really neat. To be able for him to go and say, you know what, I can trust all the people that have been in my life and I know that I can trust Captain Riker. So he goes right there.
00:34:33
Speaker
with Captain Riker and Riker is kind of like, you know what, sure, I'll go on this mission. But we also find out that he seems there seems to be some sort of trauma or issue going on with his family, with Troy and with her daughter. You know, that we were not, you know, at this point, we're not really sure what's going on. So he kind of seems really eager to go on this mission with them. And it was just it was a great way to bring everybody back a seven and nine. We had some nice continuity and growth with her from the end of season two. And
00:35:02
Speaker
Who doesn't love Captain Shaw? I'll be honest with you when I first saw the character. I thought he was a dick That's the way they wrote him anyway and Todd Stastard probably played him that way, you know But uh, it it was a really good foreshadowing of what we find out three episodes later about his connection to Picard. I know yeah, yeah, it was powerful very powerful and
00:35:26
Speaker
You know, so I just I thought it was a great episode. And I know there are a lot of people online that don't like Raffi's character because of how all the different flaws that she has. She's really grown on me because of the flaws. Oh, yeah. She's at the point now where she's she's basically lost everything in her life. She lost her marriage. Her son really doesn't have much to do with her. She doesn't get to see the grandchild that she really loves.
00:35:52
Speaker
And at this point, she and Seven and Nine apparently are not together for whatever reason. So, you know, she's got this, right now she's got this passion right now to try to kind of rebuild her life and make a name for herself with Starfleet Intelligence to try to figure out what this conspiracy is. So I'm glad that she was the one character that they kept from all the way back to the beginning. So what are your thoughts, guys, on this episode?
00:36:21
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Yeah, I mean, going in, so with Picard season one and two, I mean, there was a little bit of baggage going in, I think, for me at least, from
00:36:34
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going into this season. So I was a little hesitant. I was like, I think season two was not good at all. I mean, I was trying to think of some things that I liked about season two. I just don't know if I liked any of it. I mean, I just thought it was some of the choices that were made in that season were so strange to me. And so I had no idea what they were going to be doing with this particular season. And for them to
00:37:01
Speaker
almost like revamp the show completely and turn it into more of a sequel series to the next generation was a bold choice. I love that they did it obviously because it worked.
00:37:16
Speaker
Um, and I, I just, Picard was like, you had mentioned Chris, he was kind of back to his old self again. Um, even though we're supposed to kind of forget that he's just a, a, a droid or whatever, or an Android, they'd like you to forget that. Um, because, you know, it is his consciousness in this thing. So it's almost like if you're a Marvel fan and you know, the term life model decoy.
00:37:43
Speaker
uh it's it's kind of like marvel marvel comics has something like that i think every franchise has something like that uh and now now apparently um star trek does so it you know that was interesting and i like you said chris i liked uh rafi being back um i think she is still in
00:38:04
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somewhat of a low point, though, obviously, I mean, she's still struggling through a lot of things. And we come to see that even in the earlier episodes of this season, where she's still struggling with some maybe some substance abuse issues and things like that. So there's still some demons there in the character. And so we're still getting to see that character grow a lot. And like you said, I'm glad that they have carried that character through season one, and inexplicably
00:38:33
Speaker
brought her into season three. Cause really you thinking about it, there probably wouldn't have been much of a place for her in a season like this, but I'm glad that they forced the issue and kept this character in the show. I think it was an important character to keep in the show. Absolutely. Um, so yeah, I really loved the way that the, uh, the season started off. I mean, um, so that's my take on it, Jonathan. Yeah. Yeah. I thought, I mean, I thought.
00:39:03
Speaker
Well, I mean, we'll talk about Raffi since that's kind of been the thread here. I thought that the way that she portrayed her character in the first episode was phenomenal. I mean, she is somebody who is in recovery from drug addiction. And, you know, if you're not, if you don't have a substance use
00:39:23
Speaker
issue, you don't understand how difficult it is to really truly be in recovery and have those temptations. I think the way that she portrayed it was fantastic. I've never had a problem with that. You see how it's affecting her personal life. She's estranged from her husband and son. Husband won't let her see her son or grandson because of
00:39:50
Speaker
Her substance use issues and the things in her conspiracy theories and everything. But yeah, it's it's it's very real the way she portrayed it. Yes Yeah, she she's done a marvelous job bringing that character to life and bring in the the truth of the the recovery process into it I mean the reality is like you said with with recovery you're in recovery the rest of your life once an alcoholic girl
00:40:11
Speaker
always an alcoholic, you know, so, um, but it almost seemed like to me in this episode, she's using those addictions to kind of help her get information and things like that. So if she has to use some alcohol or she has to use some of the drugs, she's doing it for a positive reason, not just trying to go and get high at this, you know, so, right.
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah, unfortunately, you know, it kind of made her slip off the wagon when she had to do it for the job and see how she almost died. So.
00:40:44
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uh yeah it was it was it was really well it was really well uh acted in the way that that michelle heard played that role this season um it's funny mikey that you mentioned the lmd because i think that's the season of uh ages of shields where shield where i just dropped um after that arc because i was not a fan they use that so much in the comics themselves also it's i know it is such a tiring type of
00:41:10
Speaker
It's basically just a plot device to make someone who you thought was dead, not really dead because it was their LMD and not really the person. So it's all dumb. It's all dumb. Yeah. Yeah. That's yeah. And I think didn't they throw around the term golem for what Picard's positronic body? Yes, that's exactly what it's called. Yeah. So.
00:41:35
Speaker
I don't think that was in this episode. I think that was an episode on down the line with Dr. Seung towards the end of the season that they drew up that term. I thought it was a great episode. I thought it really set up the way the season's going. Who would have thought that we'd have so many twists and turns along the way the rest of the season?
00:41:59
Speaker
I recently went back and watched all the episodes of Picard just to refresh my memory for this just for this discussion and I just I noticed some really cool foreshadowing moments like Whenever
00:42:18
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Picard and Riker are boarding the Titan. They're, you know, walking down the receiving line and there's that yellow shirt and engineering. And I think it was an ensign, but he kind of looked at them weird. And then he turned to look at them while they were walking away and just kind of glared. So I think that ended up being one of the changelings on board eventually. So I thought that was a nice little like, you know, having having the benefit of seeing the whole season, going back and seeing all these things that they were
00:42:48
Speaker
peppering in to tease us with the plot was pretty cool. Right. Right. Yeah. And who couldn't who didn't love a lot of the music cues from past Star Trek productions? So that I mean, chill, that was like chills down my spine listening to all that. And just, you know, it made the it made the show and the episode more intimate. And it did that for the whole season, especially for fans, long term fans. You know, it kind of felt like we were coming home like with the crew.
00:43:17
Speaker
Basically, you know, these are people that we grew up with, you know, because basically became our family. So to hear these cues and stuff, you know, just kind of brought an extra warmth to it. So but anyway, you guys ready to go on to number two?
00:43:31
Speaker
Yeah. All right. So episode two of this season was called disengage. So it picks up right from the last one. The strike was had gone and was near the Elios. So seven and nine tries to persuade shot to intervene. But when they get Dr. Crusher transported to Titans Medical Bay, we find out that the strike has a captain who's a bounty hunter named Vatic.
00:43:59
Speaker
but we don't really know a whole lot about her at this point. She just reveals that Jack is an intergalactic criminal with a large bounty on his head at this point. Shaw has Jack arrested and intends to turn Jack over to save the crew, even though Picard and Riker say, no, we can't do this, we can't just send him away.
00:44:17
Speaker
So Jack eventually escapes from custody and attempts to transport himself over to the strike to try to save his mom. But Riker helps Beverly to the bridge. And they had that really great scene where there was no verbal communication. It was just the Picard and Crusher looking at each other. And Picard knew that's our son together.
00:44:36
Speaker
you know and as soon as he tells Shaw that Shaw's like basically all great so you know at this point they have to you know they can't turn him over
00:44:48
Speaker
So Shaw orders the Titan into a nebula that's nearby and it was the beautiful scene when Vatic was basically squealing in delight going after them at this point. That was pretty much where their story ended and the other part of the episode had a deal with Raffi trying to get more information about what was going on with that bombing at that Starfleet facility in the previous episode.
00:45:13
Speaker
Um, she ends up meeting with a Ferengi criminal named Sneed, um, trying to find those responsible and get information. Sneed was beginning ready to actually kill Raffi. And I think it was at one point he gave her drugs and she said something, he said like, prove your loyalty or prove who you are.
00:45:31
Speaker
And you could tell how she was really struggling in that moment. But we end up having Sneed actually ends up getting killed and we find out it's Worf and we find out partly it's Worf because of the beautiful Klingon theme that's playing when he's when he comes back, you know. So this episode was really fun. The first thing I really liked about I'm sorry, go ahead. No, no, no, I was going to just throw out
00:45:56
Speaker
some awesome casting in this particular episode. Well, first and foremost, I love the fact that Amanda Plummer was part of this series, just because her dad was obviously in undiscovered country. And I just I love that
00:46:16
Speaker
just the kismet of that, just having her be in this particular series was so awesome to me. And she was such a slimy villain, just like her dad was in undiscovered country. Yes. Good way of describing it. I am so happy you mentioned Amanda Plummer, because I remember Chris and I were very, very happy to hear that casting announcement when she was first announced. And
00:46:41
Speaker
I got to say my expectations were exceeded with her. Oh yeah. She was fantastic. And then a much smaller, but still a cool cameo. Aaron Stanford was Sneed and he's the star of 12 monkeys, the TV series. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was a smaller cameo, but no less, no less fun.
00:47:01
Speaker
cool, right? That was one of the connections. I was wondering if that was going to get brought up. Yeah, absolutely. I also did. I was really glad that they went with the classic Ferengi makeup with sneeze. I know they are so good. Yes. I mean, they update if I remember correctly, I'm not a big Discovery fan, but I know when they jumped the show into the future, didn't they kind of redesign the Ferengi? They did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Discovery is a whole other conversation. Oh, yeah. But I don't even know if I. Yeah, I don't know.
00:47:30
Speaker
I don't like it from a personal standpoint. I don't like it at all. But I mean, you have to figure what after 900 years or so, things are going to change.
00:47:44
Speaker
Species aren't gonna look the same. It's not as bad as the whole Klingon debacle from season one of discovery for sure So I do have to ask a question. I'm gonna show my lack of Star Trek knowledge card here and hopefully Chris you can help me out Okay, the changelings have they been villainous in the past Yes, so the the changelings were actually the founders of the Dominion
00:48:07
Speaker
Okay, okay. See, because my favorite character is Odo. And so I'm like, Odo's not evil. Why are the changelings evil? And I'd forgotten the whole Dominion thing.
00:48:20
Speaker
Yeah, that was the the Kardashians or something like that. Well, the Kardashians ended up joining the Dominion in season five, and then they were against the Federation for the war arc for the two years. But Odo, the reason why Odo didn't was the way he was, is because he was part of what was called the hundred.
00:48:38
Speaker
So the changelings actually had a hundred new newly formed changelings that were sent into the galaxy to kind of learn about space and gather information. Okay. Yeah. And so the only and Odo wasn't supposed to be back to the home world for 300 more years.
00:48:55
Speaker
But because of the wormhole, Oda ended up eventually finding his way back home. And he basically turned his back on the changelings once he found out what they did as being a part of the Dominion. But he ends up going back home with them in the series finale, partly because he still has a loyalty to his people, but he also wants to cure them.
00:49:16
Speaker
Um, but he also uses that as his bargaining chip for the female changeling to actually end the war. So if he goes home and it was perfectly fit perfectly with what the changelings really were, because even in one episode, she said that she would give up the whole alpha quadrant. And if it meant just bringing Oda home, cause the great links very united. So.
00:49:38
Speaker
It was a perfect moment where she kept her word and ended the war. So they see this new group of changelings throughout the season was very, very interesting. And we'll get into that more as we go on in the episode. Sorry for the side. That's my fault. I knew Chris would be able to help me out on the history there.
00:50:02
Speaker
No, that's exactly what he's here for. Maybe I know too much. That's what I asked for, so that's good. You said, Chris, we'll find out that this group of changelings, including Vatic, is a completely separate thing from the Great Link and the Dominion.
00:50:24
Speaker
But that will be later on, I believe that was a little more than that was like the the second third of the year, the final third of the season where that was revealed or something like that. Starting around mid around midpoint. Yeah. Episode five, I believe, is when it really well, I think was four, three or maybe it was three, three or four, where it was shown at the very end of an episode. And then it really gets explained more in the episode with Ro Laron. And then it keeps going from there.
00:50:52
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Yeah, I think you're right. Mm-hmm Did you have any more did you have more of a recap or No, that's pretty much it. I just kind of okay, you know Just do it basically. Is there anything more you would like me to bring in or no? No, I just didn't know I couldn't remember if you had finished the entire episode description Yeah, you're reading up. Okay, so
00:51:16
Speaker
I guess while I'm talking, I will give my thoughts. Might as well. We're breaking, I don't know, whatever. Man, I thought Shaw had some really good dialogue, really good lines in this episode. I mean, and the way he delivers them is just perfect. A couple lines that really stood out to me that
00:51:38
Speaker
I chuckled the first time I heard them and it was equally funny the second time. Whenever Picard revealed that Jack is his son, he was like, Shaw was like, bring them all on board. I guess we're a hotel now. You know what his lines throughout the whole season, the character he reminded me of was Negan from The Walking Dead.
00:52:01
Speaker
Yes. You know, Negan has this whole Negan isms are just not as dirty. They're they're a lot dirtier than Shaw's were. That's about it. You know, but it was very similar. A lot of classic one liners. You know, you're absolutely right about that. Yeah. And and I'm not going to lie. Shaw or the Stashwick's performance in and his character in 12 Monkeys.
00:52:26
Speaker
definitely gives me some Negan vibes, especially with the way he was first introduced to the show. So, um, you are spot on there. Okay. So that's good comparison, actually. It's just, it's just the stuff. It's just not, like I said, it's not as dirty as Negan. That's all. Yeah. No, no, no, no, definitely not. Um, he's still Starfleet and he's just prides himself on his ship and following the rules. That's really his thing. Um, and then his,
00:52:55
Speaker
been his other line. They were in their little cat and mouse game with Vatican the strike and he's like, we're cornered in space that has no corners. Yep, exactly. Perfect, perfect line. Absolutely. So let me ask you guys this, how many of you guys knew right away, even before this episode, that war was the Starfleet intelligence contact?
00:53:17
Speaker
uh i mean i i i i assumed that was probably him because i knew he was in the season in the series or whatever so yeah i mean i figured that's the only other character i thought of that they could go with on that yeah
00:53:32
Speaker
I think it kind of gave it away in the first episode. There was a line about something about something not being honorable or something. I can't remember what exactly it said. But I think that was the tipping point. It was like, oh, wharf's going to end up showing up here and being this this person on behind the scenes. It's been playing raffy with all this stuff. So that I just it was a nice way of introducing wharf back into the story. So I thought that was great. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That wasn't very well.
00:54:02
Speaker
kept secret about who he was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Anytime you hear something about honor or dishonor, you know, a Klingon's involved. So, all right. Yeah. So we'll move on to episode three of this season's 17 seconds. So this episode started out with a really cool flashback.
00:54:22
Speaker
with Picard and Riker talking about Riker's brand new son Thaddeus being born and kind of talking about how the longest 17 seconds of his life was when he thought that the baby wasn't going to make it and just the lifetime it kind of felt like for him going from the bridge all the way down to sickbay.
00:54:42
Speaker
So that was a pretty cool little flashback there. And then it goes into the regular time now. So Picard and Beverly start to talk and she in a little kind of like parallel Star Trek II, she tells Picard about why she kept Jack away from him because basically she was afraid of what his lifestyle and the kind of person he was, what kind of attention that would bring on Jack. And would that bring revenge?
00:55:10
Speaker
You know, who knows what she was just afraid that something bad would happen. So the Titan attempts to escape the nebula that it was in, but it gets cornered by the strike using portal technology. That was really cool. That was a cool scene. Yes, very much so. Picard advises Riker to lure the strike into a trap, but Riker wants to flee and prioritize saving the crew. So so real quick, let's that felt like
00:55:41
Speaker
an odd characterization for Riker. Yes, I agree. I just was not sure where that was coming from with him, other than maybe the pressure of the situation got to him a little bit, but it just seemed a little off. It didn't seem very Riker-like. No, I agree with you, because even in the series, Riker never publicly challenged Picard on his command
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah, strategies. Yeah, it was a little odd. It was kind of like a seven, like when seven and I would challenge Captain Janeway openly. Right. Right. You know, yeah. So you're not often. Oh, yes, she did. I keep thinking about, you know, the way Riker talked to Picard and you could you could see in Jonathan Frakes eyes how painful it was to have to stand up to Picard, you know, somebody that he respected for
00:56:37
Speaker
his whole life. But at the same time, he was the captain and Picard was serving as the number one. So I mean, he had to assert himself. And whether it was the right or wrong decision, right? That's what a captain has to do. Absolutely. It doesn't mean it's without consequence or, you know,
00:56:58
Speaker
I guess you can't be afraid to hurt feelings as a starship captain is what I'm getting You know it by this point to Riker had his own command the original Titan So he's probably bringing his own experience into it on top of it. So Absolutely. So another part of the episode is so they're trying to figure out why the strike is able to track the Titan through this nebula and
00:57:18
Speaker
And it looks like Jack and Seven and Nine, they basically realized that Vadik was tracking some sort of gas leak on the Titan, and they find, and Ensign actually was in the process of sabotaging the ship. So there's like some sort of fight that kind of ensues, and they find out that he's actually a changeling.
00:57:36
Speaker
So that's that's so Let's see so convinced by Picard's insistence that they fight back Riker fires on the strut on the strike But this was this was really cool that they actually the strike opened up the portal and actually the weapons ended up going behind the Titan and nearly destroys the ship and sends it back toward the nebula where it's being pulled in like by some sort of gravity well and
00:58:02
Speaker
And basically that this was another area that was very odd for Riker, where he basically tells Picard off and says, you're the ones that you're the reason why this is happening. You just cost us all our lives, you know, for him to challenge him like it on the bridge. That was just that was intense. The other story that was going on would be on board the La Serena on Mattel's prime. So
00:58:25
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Worf and Raffy are together They discover that this that there's a changeling and that there's um, I lost my train of thought They they managed to find somebody who was suspected to be involved with this bombing and He seems to be very high on drugs. And so Raffy tries to use that to her advantage to try to torture him knowing what withdraw is like and
00:58:54
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and but it turns out that he starts to like phase almost and wharf realizes that this is a changeling this isn't somebody being on drugs raffy even kind of made a comment
Exploring Character Dynamics and Threats
00:59:06
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about okay this isn't withdraw typical raffy
00:59:13
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So I forget exactly what happened. I think she ended up killing the Changeling. And so they realized that now the Changeling's threat has returned to the Federation. So that was pretty much episode three. What are your guys? What did you guys think of this one?
00:59:30
Speaker
Oh, I have a lot of thoughts on this one, honestly. I'm going to preface this by saying I love this episode. This is not a critic. This is not critical thoughts. I really, there are some things that I just really honed in on in this episode. And the first thing was the ship photography. I just think that that is one of the best things about having such access to
01:00:00
Speaker
You know, digital technology and animation is, is the, the level of detail that we're getting on these ships. Um, there was a scene that it's panning up over the Titan and you see the shimmer of the shields just ever so slightly. And then the camera continues panning up and then you don't see the shields. It's like, you know, basically when you were eye to eye with the saucer section of the ship, that's where you saw the shimmer. And I thought that was just a great little touch. Perfect. Absolutely.
01:00:30
Speaker
Um, yeah, it's, what do you think, um, Mikey of the ship photography? Oh, no, I thought, look, it does amaze me, um, that they are able to, to.
01:00:43
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do what they can on a television series with probably not like a huge massive budget on this particular series compared to something like uh you know star wars where you know sometimes some of that stuff you know i have a funny quote that i like to say where i can see the volume because they film a lot of that stuff with those big led screens on that volume with with the
01:01:07
Speaker
Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett and all of that. Where it feels small and that you can tell you're on a set, but with this particular series, Picard, some of this stuff looked so good. It looked like film, very film budget-y when it's just on a TV budget. So I was amazed by a lot of it. And for me,
01:01:33
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You know, I like to look at like the behind the scenes stuff too. Frakes has really just continued to get better and better with his direction. You know, he directed this particular episode and I just, I was just so impressed with
01:01:50
Speaker
this this one because it was very action-packed he's directing himself obviously which is a challenge and he did give himself some meaty stuff so you know but that's part of the look if you're the director you can give yourself some good stuff and he did look he's fantastic director I mean he's always been kind of that way with Star Trek but to me he keeps getting better and better and like more surprising
01:02:15
Speaker
with the stuff that he brings to the table with his, you know, not only his acting, but his directing.
01:02:23
Speaker
And real quick, I did want to shout out yet another casting Easter egg, Thomas Decker. You feed me to it. I'm stealing you. I'm stealing all your stuff. There you go. Yeah. He was Picard's kid in Generations. Yep. Absolutely. Nice little tie-in. And a lot of people may not know this, but he was also John Connor in Terminator the Sarah Connor. Oh, I loved that series. That show was so good. I wish it got more than two seasons. Oh, yeah.
01:02:55
Speaker
That's what I had hoped that the recent feature terminators would have been able to capture. But alas, that was not the case. And we don't even talk about the last two Terminator movies. They don't exist. They definitely don't exist. Genesis was dumb.
01:03:16
Speaker
Uh, it was, it was a terrible movie, but I still enjoyed some parts of it, but yeah, I don't count it as a, as a Terminator movie. Right. Yeah. They, they stop at salvation for me, honestly. Oh yeah. Same with me. Same with me. Yeah. I did like Terminator dark fate. I just, cause I have a bit of a crush on, uh, Linda Hamilton as Sarah Connor. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, that's fair. I'm glad she came back. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. At least one last time, you know, so all right. Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead.
01:03:46
Speaker
No, no, I was just going to say, you know, that was kind of a thing, you know, with with badass women making a return to cinema. You know, you had Jamie Lee in the Halloween movies and then you had Dark Fate. So it was definitely a thing in the late 20 teens. Oh, absolutely. Now, if we can move a little forward and actually get Sigourney Weaver back for a final alien movie, that would be really great. That'd be good. I'd be on board with that.
01:04:14
Speaker
Yeah. Well, talking about badass women, let's segue into Gates McFadden, man. I thought she was, I was hanging on every single word in this episode of hers. I mean, I know the reason why she came back is because of this material. And I'm so glad that she did because, yeah, I mean, she was just
01:04:38
Speaker
utterly captivating the whole time. Mm hmm. Oh, absolutely. I completely agree with you. And she you could tell in her acting how much she relished the role, you know. And like I said earlier, and when I was talking about this episode, did you guys notice the parallel from Star Trek two with about the reasons why Dr. Marcus kept Kirk away from David his whole life? And, you know, I mean, yeah.
01:05:00
Speaker
Yeah, so I thought that was that was a really nice kind of connection. It's kind of kind of like saying that, you know, your life is a Starfleet captain. It's great that you get to be that. But there are consequences that can come from having that kind of position of power. And, you know, and what parent wouldn't do that? Try to protect their kids from that kind of situation. I mean, it sucks for Picard because he didn't get to know his son. But I mean, you know, when parents
01:05:24
Speaker
You know, I don't have kids, but I mean, you know, parents, they'll do anything for their kids to protect them, you know, and you know, as much as Picard's upset about that, I think as the season went on, he kind of understood where she were that came from with her. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I guess the last point I really wanted. Well, there's two points I want to hit on, if you don't mind.
01:05:51
Speaker
I really, I got a kick out of the portal weapon sequence in the Nebula, man. And this isn't a slight, but the whole thing was, it was fantastic. And I thought it was brilliant. I thought that Vatic was just, again, she just is so
01:06:09
Speaker
scheming and slimy that, you know, that she thought to do that. But I also couldn't help but think of the video games portal. And I know, Chris, you're not a big gamer. But the idea is it's a puzzle based game where you have a portal gun and you basically have to
01:06:31
Speaker
you have an entry portal and an exit portal and you have to send objects through the portal to get them into position so that you can solve the puzzle and the level. I just kept waiting for, and I don't know, maybe I'll have to go back, maybe it's subtle, maybe it's there, but I just kept waiting for a GLaDOS reference or the cake is a lie or something to come up. Exactly. I mean, that would have been hilarious, but I don't think,
01:07:00
Speaker
I don't know if that would have, if there had been a way to make that serious and just be like a covert nod to fans without it being seeming over the top or out of place. Right. Right. But, um, Oh, and then the last point, uh, man, I just, can we talk about Ed Spilliers? Oh yeah.
01:07:20
Speaker
Jack Crusher, the actor that plays Jack Crusher. I know he's been in a lot of stuff. He's been on a lot of TV before. He was on Downton Abbey, I believe, right? Yeah, he's a BBC guy. Yeah, which is not a show that I've watched, but I did watch Outlander, or I do watch Outlander.
01:07:40
Speaker
I don't know just because of knowing him from that show and how despicable the character is. I immediately thought he was going to be like a villain or somehow involved because he is not a nice character in Outlander at all. He plays a pirate.
01:08:01
Speaker
John Bonnet, I think is the pirate's name in the show that he plays. And yeah, he is not a good person. So I guess my, my, uh, my red flags went up and, you know, the first time I saw him as Jack Crusher thinking that he was involved. And then, you know, glad it didn't turn out that way, but you know, I can actually root for him. So, you know, he did, he is at the very least, he, he is a bit of a swashbuckler and Picard as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:08:27
Speaker
And, and certainly some things that happened later in the season, uh, like, you know, kind of, Oh, well, Oh, maybe he isn't good. I mean, he's just a great actor. I mean, he's just really talented. I mean, Oh, for sure. I was not familiar with him. Cause I don't, I didn't watch either of those shows you mentioned, but I mean, just knowing, um, knowing how his characterization of card and how you're describing him as being like super villainous and outlander. I mean, he, he's just a talented actor, basically a really good character actor.
01:08:57
Speaker
For sure, yeah, yeah. All right, that's all I wanted to bring up. So I don't know if you guys have any other thoughts or if you want to move on, but I just wanted to make sure that I hit on those points because.
01:09:08
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, they were good points. So thank you. I don't really have anything else more about this episode. Mikey, do you? No, no. Um, yeah, no, we can definitely move on. Yeah. Okay. So we'll go on to episode four, which was called no win scenario. This was very interesting beginning part because Vatican, we find out is also a changeling. She contacts her superior that she's working for. And basically she cuts her hand off and it turns into this weird,
01:09:35
Speaker
like Ghostbusters kind of like those face, you know, and, you know, talking like a demon and, you know, basically. Vatic is told to go and pursue the Titan at all costs. That seems kind of hesitant about that for whatever reason. But she's told she has to. And I believe the face kind of was making threats toward her about what her future would be like, those kind of things.
01:10:01
Speaker
So, um, but it says that them going into going after the Titan, doing so in the Nebula, that would require the disengagement of the portal technology. Um, so with only a few hours of power remaining on the Titan, Riker admits Picard was right and suggests that he spends his last moments bonding with Jack. Kind of like going back to what we had in the previous episode was 17 seconds, trying to get him to talk a little bit about.
01:10:27
Speaker
spending that quality time with your child because you never know when it's going to be gone. So they go in the Hall of Deck and Picard talks to Jack about some of their some of the, I guess, adventures that he had with the onboard the Stargazer. And I don't know if you guys caught it, but they were on Argyllius for I believe is where he and his best friend, Jack Crusher, went to his Jack called it get laid.
01:10:53
Speaker
And right. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And but Argyllius, too, was a planet in the original Star Trek show episode Wolf in the Fold from season two, where Scotty was being framed by a demonic creature for murder. I don't know if you guys ever watch that one.
01:11:12
Speaker
Uh, I probably did, but I don't remember it. I've seen it a lot. I've seen most of the three seasons. Uh, but, uh, I, I don't recall that one. Ah, watching. Yeah. It is a great episode. Definitely watch it. Turns out that Jack, the ripper was actually some sort of like. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The Jack ripper episode. Yes. That's it. When you're talking about, but that was a little tie in with the Argyllious thing was to that episode.
01:11:38
Speaker
but so they're having a good time in the holodeck and all of a sudden Captain Shaw comes in and He's still injured from from whatever battle he had in the last episode I can't remember the details, but he comes in and he basically kind of
01:11:54
Speaker
goads Picard and basically tells Jack, do you know really who your father is? And we find out that he was actually a veteran of Wolf 359. He was a young Ensign engineer at the time, and he got some severe trauma from what had happened watching his crewmates die, ship being destroyed, being one of the few survivors.
01:12:14
Speaker
of this and he goes on this big meltdown rant and Picard ends up leaving the holiday. Yeah. Oh, it was it was it was it was it was beautiful, you know. And so Picard leaves the holodeck. Jack goes after him and the crews look at him like, what the hell? You know, I mean, but I mean, watching somebody have like a flashback moment with PTSD. Yeah, it's strong. It's hard to watch.
01:12:39
Speaker
So let's see here. What else do I have here in my notes? Okay. So basically, Riker, Beverly, and Picard come together and they form a risky plan where they decide they're going to use some sort of energy pulse from the nebula to recharge the ship's systems.
01:12:58
Speaker
Shaw and Seven and Nine actually helped them succeed, and Seven is able to find and kill an actual changing imposter who had been sabotaging the ship and helping the strike to keep track of them.
01:13:14
Speaker
The Titan damages the strike on their way out of the nebula, but it's not actually a nebula turns out as some sort of life form area, which was really nice little tie and it wasn't the same exact creatures from the next generation pilot that those jellyfish creatures.
01:13:30
Speaker
encounter a far point but that's kind of what they reminded me of and so but there was this time there are like thousands of them floating around the Titan manages to damage the strike on the way out of the nebula but as and
01:13:46
Speaker
That's pretty much where their story ends. But there was a little part in the beginning of the episode or actually was going through on and off through the episode where Picard was thinking about several years in the past where he was talking to different cadets from Starfleet Academy about his life experiences. And at one point, there's a young man at the bar in a hatch who actually talks to him about
01:14:07
Speaker
Did you ever have any family? And Picard makes the comment about my young man, Starfleet's all the family I've ever needed. And Picard didn't know that that was his son at the time, but as soon as he started thinking about it at the end of this episode, he realized Jack did try to reach out to him at one point. And ironically, he turned him away without realizing it.
01:14:26
Speaker
You know, so the episode ends. This was very interesting because obviously we knew that Jack was going to have some sort of specific role. But at this point, it made it sound like he just was kind of like some intergalactic pirate, you know. Right. But now he's in his quarters, he's washing his face and all of a sudden he starts having these visions happening and he hears a voice say, find me. So that just kind of opened up a whole new thing for his character, like what the heck is going on here?
01:14:52
Speaker
you know is he some sort of alien is he actually Picard son is he you know a plant in some way you know what whatever it was you know you know so it was a very it was a good episode and just add some more questions like oh my goodness you know what's gonna happen with this character and how's it gonna affect the heroes you know so what did you guys think
01:15:13
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, again, this particular episode, the character work is exactly what I remember from this particular episode with the bar scene and everything that went down in there. I really, really loved all of that. Again, this was another really strong episode directed by Jonathan Frakes. I mean, he's shown his chops with this particular episode again. And the characterization of Jack,
01:15:40
Speaker
And you're starting to like wonder what's going on with this guy. I was at this point, I was wondering if we were doing the Borg again a little bit because the whole find me thing. And I was like a little, to be honest, at that point in the season, I was a little disappointed in just thinking, are we doing the Borg yet again? But you're like, it's hard.
01:16:09
Speaker
You have to kind of that's a huge part of his character. You kind of do have to do that. I mean, you do have to keep going to that quote unquote. Well, I mean, you know, somehow the Borg returned. It's just. Thank you. I needed that. It was that type of thing. But but yeah, no, it's just this show, like I said at the beginning of this, I mean, this particular series
01:16:39
Speaker
the first two seasons I struggled through and for them to be bring this strong of a season was just amazing to me so yeah this this particular episode really was more focused on the character work there was some good action stuff in it too but
01:16:54
Speaker
it was definitely more focused on the character work, which is kind of what I look for in the series anyways. Right. I'll be honest with you too. What was special about this episode is it did something that a lot of the newer Trek seems to not have done. And it really focused on an alien life form and then actually being there and witnessing birth of different creatures that, you know,
01:17:17
Speaker
You know, it's out. It was even though they were kind of plunging to their death. They they basically got to explore and encounter a new species. And that's a big part of what Star Trek is all about. And I don't think that like I wish going kind of going back to discovery a little bit. The show is called Discovery, but they never really discovered anything. You know, so they actually brought that kind of old
01:17:41
Speaker
old original series next generation feel to it. It kind of reminded me of the four season episode, the next generation galaxy's child, where they actually encountered a space faring life form and it attacked the enterprise because I guess they thought it thought it was a risk and they fired back at it and killed it by mistake only to find out that it was pregnant.
01:18:03
Speaker
And so they managed to help deliver the baby, but the the mother's dead and the baby actually thinks the enterprise is its mother. So do you guys remember that? I do. That's kind of what it reminded me of, just kind of like new birth and, you know, just kind of exploring what's out there in space. And again, I think that was has been really lacking in Star Trek. So that was a nice touch for them to bring that in there. One thing I will say about this episode also is
01:18:32
Speaker
I was starting to get to the point where I felt like it was starting to drag with him being in the nebula. We were already in episode four. We've been there since the first episode. I was kind of starting to say, okay, let's wrap this up now. You know, there's more story that's got to be coming here.
Episode Critiques and Speculations
01:18:46
Speaker
Yeah, because you're thinking to yourself, wait a minute, there's only 10 episodes. We've got, we've really got to start moving this thing forward. Bingo. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. And I do have to say, I do have to say the only thing that Star Trek Discovery discovered was bad screenplays. That's all that they can do.
01:19:06
Speaker
Not a lie no lies detected Chris I'm kind of glad that you Brought up how this started to drag because I was afraid that I was gonna have to be Debbie downer this was my least favorite episode of the season and and
01:19:24
Speaker
And I and Mikey nothing I'm not taking anything away from the character performances and the character moments because those were legitimately the best parts of The season or of the episode rather. Um, who I I just I just I loved Shaw's speech and his monologue about his experience at wolf 359 man that gave me chills yes, um I and and the whole thing with vatic like so
01:19:54
Speaker
cutting off her hand and who was she communicating with? Was she, was that like connected to the Borg? I thought it was a changeling that she was communicating with at that point. Yeah, that's what I thought too. I'll say, Mikey, I didn't had no clue that the Borg were going to be involved. I thought it was going to be purely a changeling season at this point.
01:20:13
Speaker
Yeah, the red door thing and the find me thing, I just for some reason was thinking Borg when I heard that. Whereas with Vatic, I thought she was solely communicating with whoever, you know, her, the changeling that was working with the Borg, I guess at that point.
01:20:37
Speaker
No, that makes sense. Yeah, maybe. I'm not sure. And we never really got an explanation for it. We didn't. Yeah, it was sort of disappointing that we never tied that particular story element together. If the Borg and the changelings were working together for some means to an end type situation, like maybe promised the changeling something. So they were working together. But I don't know. I mean, I just figured that that's what they were trying to
01:21:05
Speaker
To do but maybe I'm off on that No, and I'll kind of tell you guys why I thought this was my least favorite episode it it there was so much going on plot wise it was really just a it was a lot for 55 minutes and with the with the you know the ship being stuck in being pulled into the gravity well the
01:21:31
Speaker
The hunt for the changelings, Vatican seen reporting to her superior, uh, this everything in 10 forward with, uh, John Luke and Jack. And it just, it, it felt like a greatest hits of TNG. Yeah. But could you imagine watching this on an old school with commercials and like having to get through this type of episode with having to sit through commercials and stuff like we did with TNG and
01:22:00
Speaker
in DS9.
01:22:19
Speaker
I hate commercials now. And so, no, I definitely pay for the non-commercial Paramount+. Same. Yeah. I go ad free on everything but Hulu. I couldn't. This show would suffer for me if I had to sit through even just 30 seconds of ads. I would not want to do that. Exactly. No, it makes sense. I'm sure of problems, I know. Very much so. We're spoiled. We are spoiled now.
01:22:44
Speaker
I do love how this season mirrors ds9 in so many ways you know with the special like shaws wolf 359 speech it Immediately brought me back to cisco's and ds9 and you know obviously the changelings as well, but you know just just the way that it mirrors and
01:23:04
Speaker
What we see in DS9 so well was was actually one of my favorites. Yeah. And you're right. I mean, because DS9 doesn't get a whole lot of love. It was one of those things you either liked it or you didn't like it. So to bring that little bit of lore back was was incredible. It was a nice, nice way of reliving kind of our childhood watching those shows. You know, I think DS9 got unfairly compared to Babylon five. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's probably true. Mm hmm. Yeah.
01:23:33
Speaker
So, OK, I guess I guess my my complaints weren't all that bad. No, not at all. And don't be afraid. Even if you weren't going to be the Debbie Downer, it's OK. Yeah, it's an opinion show. So you get right. Right. OK, all right.
Ro Laran's Return and Federation Conspiracy
01:23:48
Speaker
So let's move on to episode five, then called Impostors. So the episode pretty much starts with Jack having visions of him actually murdering the crew, which is starting to really bother him. He's starting to wonder what the heck's going on here.
01:24:00
Speaker
So also it happens to be that Riker returns command of the Titan to Shaw, which maybe wasn't the greatest idea in the world because he basically decided to contact Starfleet to turn Picard and Riker over. And there were there was even a point where a ship actually showed up, the USS Intrepid. And while they're in the turbolift, Shaw, Riker and Picard.
01:24:22
Speaker
Shaw's basically taunting them that they were going to be going to jail, basically. And he kind of talks to Picard about some of his indiscretions, like as one of them was what he kind of basically said that he was banging Anish during an insurrection. I can't remember the other other ones of the heat that they had said, but that that Anish one really stuck out. But anyway, for some reason, they had they were told that
01:24:48
Speaker
The person is going to be coming over from the intrepid, but they wouldn't be transporting and be by shuttle. So which is a big key plot element as the season continued to go on. But the intrepid's boarding party comes on board and there's this lady in the middle flanked by two officers.
01:25:06
Speaker
And it turns out it's Ro Laron. Who would have ever thought we'd see Ro Laron after 30 years? Never would have thought it. No way. I thought that was done, you know. So it turns out that she, after the Maquis had been destroyed, she ended up being arrested, but she got rehabilitated for the second time and got basically put into Starfleet intelligence.
01:25:28
Speaker
Um, also at this time, um, Beverly conducts an autopsy of the changeling imposter from the previous episode who took the form of, uh, was it, uh, Sydney LaForge, right? So it was a Sydney or Sydney. Okay.
01:25:43
Speaker
all right and um she discovers that the changelings have actually evolved to to a point where they could evade body scanners and she notifies Picard um but at this point Ro basically forces him into the holodeck so this was a really nice touch because it shows that
01:26:00
Speaker
Even though there was a lot of tension between them, they had never resolved what happened in the episode in The Next Generation. I loved the whole thing about this episode was them getting a chance to kind of work that out and finally make peace with each other and realize that they could actually trust each other again.
01:26:18
Speaker
And so after all of that, we end up getting to the point where she says that there is some sort of conspiracy going on in the Federation. Different people are disappearing and different orders are starting to be added when these people return. And she's been gathering all this different information. And this is basically where you find out she says that she's been working with an intelligence crew on, I believe it was Metallus Prime, talking about trying to figure out who these saboteurs are
01:26:47
Speaker
and that there was some sort of plan in place for Frontier Day about some sort of event was going to happen with the Federation. So at this point, she's getting ready to leave the Titan and she gives Picard her Bajoran earring.
01:27:05
Speaker
When she actually gets on board the shuttle, those two officers that were with her turned out they were actually changelings. So they set a bomb on board the shuttle and then they disappear. Ro contacts the Titan. She says about the bomb, but she has no time to deactivate it. So to save the Titan, she actually destroys herself in the shuttle by colliding with the warp nacelle of the Intrepid.
01:27:29
Speaker
So the saboteurs try to transport out with Jack, but his visions influence him into shooting them dead. So he's starting to kind of act out the hallucinations that he's having. Picard and Riker realized at this point that the earring contains actual intelligence that Roa had gathered and basically a communication device for her contacts. And they were surprised when they find out that it's Worf who's actually the contact, you know.
01:27:57
Speaker
So that's where their story ends. But Worf and Raffy, after being absent in the previous episode, are actually back continuing their investigation. And they they speak with a Vulcan criminal. Yes, Vulcan criminal. That's like an oxymoron.
01:28:12
Speaker
name crin. And we find out some very interesting things about this guy. He was basically born on the streets of metallus prime and never really had much of a family and never really adopted the logic. And he actually has a very twisted and warped kind of logic that he uses to justify his criminal behaviors.
01:28:31
Speaker
and basically he has Worf and Raffy at gunpoint and he actually has it where Worf is actually killed but it turns out that he was just severely injured I guess they actually if I remember correctly they had Raffy actually fighting Worf and Raffy had a stab Worf
01:28:49
Speaker
And she thought she'd killed him. Okay. But I guess it's some sort of Klingon technique where they can kind of simulate death. And they managed to kill all of Kryn's bodyguards. And at this point, they realized that Kryn basically realizes that he's kind of stuck. And so he gives them the information about more of what's going on with the plot with the change links.
01:29:12
Speaker
And the episode ends with Jack confessing to Beverly that he's been having these visions He had been debating whether or not to talk to her about that So I thought this was a great episode, but I want to hear what you guys think first um, so I I Want to point out a giant Easter egg with 12 monkeys Okay, thank you Mikey, thank you
01:29:40
Speaker
I appreciate you for that. So the actor that portrayed Kryn, the Vulcan, Kirk Acevedo, he is one of the main supporting actors on the 12 Monkeys show. He's kind of the main actor, Cole. He's kind of his buddy and then later antagonist.
01:30:05
Speaker
But not only was Kirk Acevedo playing the character of Kryn, that whole knife fight scene was straight out of an episode of season one of 12 Monkeys. The setup was exactly the same. You've got a knife being thrown into the center between two people who are fighting. They have to fight over the knife. And of course, someone ends up dead, just like in the show.
01:30:33
Speaker
just like in 12 monkeys, someone ends up, you know, getting stabbed. And I thought that was a great little callback to, uh, having just seen 12 monkeys. Um, and, and yeah, Kirk Acevedo, I mean, he's, he's a TV guy. Um, a long time. Yeah. He's been around. He was in the arrow verse for awhile. Um, on, on the, on arrow, I believe episodes of agents of shield also. I mean, the dude's been around a long time. Yeah. Yeah. He's a great little reliable character actor. Yeah. Yeah. He's really good. Yeah.
01:31:01
Speaker
And he's one of those that guys, you know, and you kept saying metallus five. I mean that like as in Terry metallus. Yeah, exactly. Yes. I mean, I figured that was pretty obvious. I wasn't going to put it that obvious. They're like, yes, I want this planet to be named after me. So that's what I'm going to do. Just a slight little bit of narcissism there. Maybe.
01:31:26
Speaker
a little bit. He deserves it. Amen to that. Now, having Michelle Forbes back as Ro Laram was just an absolute treat. I personally thought that she had written the character off years ago.
01:31:42
Speaker
I had read in magazines or different stories online that she didn't even really want to be in that last episode, the next generation, that they basically guilted her into it until she finally said, fine, just leave me alone. I'll do it. So I thought after that, that was it. I mean, she was never even mentioned again, even in Deep Space Nine. And I don't know if you guys know this or not, but she was actually supposed to be a regular on Deep Space Nine when they were creating the series.
Michelle Forbes' Role and Character Sacrifice
01:32:08
Speaker
And she was going to actually be the first officer to Commander Sisko.
01:32:11
Speaker
But yeah, but she yeah, but she didn't want to commit to a six year television series. So they created the major Kira role. Yeah, I was going to say the Kira is almost like Ro. I'll be very similar characters. Yes. Yeah. Yes, exactly. Yeah, it wasn't a big stretch to adjust the character ever so slightly for
01:32:34
Speaker
Not a visitor exactly exactly i didn't recognize her at first always saw was this woman with long black hair and stern face i literally said to myself yeah she looks like a real bitch when riker goes row laryn i was like wait what what just happened here
01:33:08
Speaker
Damn good. She is an incredible actress. She really is. I mean, she can go from being calm and happy to sad and tearful to angry and stern. I mean, she just she plays her role so well. And you can see it in her eyes just.
01:33:20
Speaker
Now, now let me just say, and maybe this is just me, um, I knew right away, but I have always, always, always had a crush on Michelle Forbes.
01:33:24
Speaker
is just the looks that she gives and being able to produce the tears. And she's just she really gets into these roles that she's in. And she's very good in roles where she's in authority. If you guys saw her in Battlestar Galactica as Admiral Kane of the Pegasus. I don't know if you guys are into that. She does her. Yes. I love the new BSG. That's all. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. And that was her. I mean, she played that role to perfection. Right.
01:33:51
Speaker
that is one of my glaring errors in TV is I have only seen maybe half of the first season of the new BSG and I need to go back and rectify that I know I know
01:34:02
Speaker
But it will be the list. I haven't watched it. There's too much content, my friend. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, absolutely. But it was it was just nice to see her back and get some resolution of what happened after preemptive strike. I just never thought it would ever happen again. And then all of a sudden there she was. And they didn't they didn't gloss over it. They spent half the episode with her and Picard actually trying to.
01:34:29
Speaker
Basically, they were trying to justify their feelings, the way they felt at the time of why they were still mad at each other. But I think they came to realize and respect some of the decisions and thoughts that they had had at that time. I felt bad that she felt like she was trying to live up to something that Picard was trying to create in her. Kind of mirrored what I guess Wesley felt at the end of Next Generation. But they finally made that peace with each other and
01:34:57
Speaker
The way they had her, they killed her character off, I think was beautiful. I think the fact that she gave her life to save Riker and to save Picard and the Titan crew was the perfect way to say goodbye to her. Yeah, I loved how the episode had the theme of sacrifice running through the whole thing as a through line. I mean, you know, first Worf taking the stab, you know, him sacrificing himself to
01:35:23
Speaker
make sure that Raffi could finish that tense situation. And then, of course, the episode ending with Ro sacrificing herself. I thought that was a great through line for the whole episode. And again, it was also a nice way to bring Worf into the Picard Riker storyline.
01:35:42
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You know at this point so and I got that was right. Absolutely. It was just it was a really great episode full of nostalgia and emotion and Bringing closure and opening up new questions and expanding the storyline has been going on at this point. It's half the season you know, so It was it was definitely a winner for me and we actually started getting away from that damn nebula. Yes enough
01:36:11
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Alright, so any other last minute thoughts on that one episode? No, I got nothing Hey, it's Jonathan just wanted to pop in here and Kind of record a little outro for episode 28.
Conclusion and Next Episode Teaser
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So I
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because the conversation continued for almost three hours. We decided to end Episode 28 here right at the halfway point of our discussion of Season 3 of Picard. So in a couple weeks after this episode drops, you will get the second half of our conversation, which will be Captain's Logs and Lightsabers Episode 29. So until you hear from us again and we wrap up our discussion on Picard, make sure you
01:36:57
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