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CLL #39 - A Pirate’s Life for We
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Chris and Jonathan are back for January’s episode of CLL Podcast! Topics discussed on this episode include a retro toys and clothing convention, Jonathan’s quest to complete the Laurel Highlands Pour Tour, a milestone anniversary for Star Trek Voyager, and the latest casting and rumors for Ahsoka Season 2, and more! Listen after the news rundown for Jonathan’s and Chris’ thoughts on the recently ended Star Wars Skeleton Crew series on Disney+
0:00 Introduction
1:40 Fandom Frontier
11:45 ST: Voyager 30th Anniversary
24:20 Ahsoka Season 2 Casting/Rumors
34:10 Star Trek: Section 31
42:55 Rey Movie’s New Writer
48:41 Star Wars: Skeleton Crew
1:19:15 Wrap-Up/Outro
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
Captain's Log On Solo I'm Captain Millennium Falcon This is Captain John Luke Picard of the Federation Starship Enterprise
00:00:31
Speaker
You're listening to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. Hey, welcome to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. This is the podcast with Beast of Fandoms that discusses both Star Trek and Star Wars in the same podcast, as well as some other nerdy and not-so-nerdy topics.
Meet the Hosts
00:00:48
Speaker
My name is Jonathan. I am one of the hosts. I could not do this show alone, so allow me to introduce my co-host, Chris. How's it going, man?
00:00:56
Speaker
I'm doing great. Hello, everybody. And how are you doing, Jonathan? I'm doing wonderful, man. It's it's been a little over a month since we last recorded, but yeah know but sometimes, as always, life gets in the way we had originally planned to record last weekend, but something came up. So we're here this weekend, a little bit late, but we are we're going to discuss our thoughts on the the limited Disney Plus series skeleton crew that ah wrapped up in early January. Just to give you a little teaser, Chris and I both love the show and we're looking forward to ah bringing breaking it all down for you today.
Excitement for 'Skeleton Crew'
00:01:35
Speaker
But before we do that, let me turn it back over to Chris and ask him what he has done in the past
00:01:45
Speaker
month for our fandom
Fandom Frontier: Nostalgia and Adventures
00:01:47
Speaker
frontier topic. So if you've been listening to the show for a while, you know that this is kind of our chance to talk about something we did outside of Star Trek and or Star Wars. So Chris, what's your fandom frontier for this one?
00:01:59
Speaker
ah Alrighty, so two weeks ago, I went to the Monroeville Convention Center. I i have to look at my bracelet, I still have it on, but it's called Totally Rad Vintage Fest. And it was this whole big convention basically of vintage clothes and toys going back from like the 70s, 80s, 90s in the early 2000s. And it was a lot of fun. Most of it was clothing.
00:02:22
Speaker
and like actual vintage clothing not just freshly made stuff and so it was it was cool seeing shirts with different logos and things from sports or pop culture music things like that. But it was it was also fun seeing them selling old vintage nintendo games super nintendo game sega stuff that was that was really neat and actually but some of the the toy stuff really kinda was what got me.
00:02:47
Speaker
I found a vintage, you remember the the the Halloween McDonald's buckets when we grew up with Happy Meals? you know I found a vintage one from that had the ghost on it. I think it was back from like 1990. I got it for five bucks, which was a really nice buy, and bought a DVD, something called Robot Chicken.
00:03:09
Speaker
I never, never had something with Star Wars on it. And it was like a spoof of, of revenge of the Sith. but And it was really, you've, you've never watched, you've never heard of robot chicken before. I've heard of it, but I've, I've never, I've heard of it, but I really didn't think about it. I heard it like in pieces it, but, and, but I never watched it. So, and it was ironic that I, I found it and I bought it for five bucks, but because one of my clients that I was seeing that morning actually brought it up.
00:03:36
Speaker
in a middle, cause he's a Star Wars fan. And so to actually see it actually a couple hours later at this convention, I'm like, well, maybe fate's telling me to pick this up. So I picked that up and that was, you know, so that I haven't watched it yet, but it's, I plan on doing that, but it it was a lot of fun. I found a lot of old, you know, my wife's really into new kids on the block. There was a ton of new kids stuff that was there, but she didn't want to buy any because she already bought it a long time ago. But I mean, I found old, like,
00:04:04
Speaker
stuff make other McDonald's Happy Meal stuff like the McNugget buddies. Saw a few of those from back in the day. Just a whole bunch of that kind of stuff. What was weird about going was I'm so used to the setup in there for Steel City Con that when I actually went in there and it was laid out differently and I was walking through places where the vendors are usually tables are usually sitting, it was actually disorienting.
00:04:28
Speaker
know yeah I thought which I thought was very weird. I'm like, why am I disoriented in a place? It's just the way it's laid out. It's just my brain was so geared to it. It was just it was just really weird. I got dizzy a few times. But other' been it was it was fun. They even had a set up where you could actually use old like my Apple computers. They had an iMac set up. They had some sort of Macintosh PC there from the early 90s there that you could use. They had old arcade games there that you could play. They had a Nintendo set up.
00:04:57
Speaker
I think they even had a like a Nintendo 64, a Genesis, something like that. It was just this really neat section of of vintage video games. And then there was a a spot there where they actually had old toys that were considered dangerous. And so they had like this certain cabbage patch doll that was like, I guess, released in the late 90s, early 2000s. There was something about it that was dangerous. They had a pogo ball in there. Remember pogo ball?
00:05:22
Speaker
Oh yeah, I remember the pogo ball. I think I had one actually. Yeah. You know, so they talked about how they never recalled the pogo balls, but they'd said about how dangerous they could be. And if yeah if you remember when you were learning how to use it, yeah, you can fall right on your face. There was nothing to hold on to unlike a ah traditional pogo stick where at least you have the handles.
00:05:42
Speaker
Exactly exactly it was just yeah so they had that in there. see What if they have something called sky dancers i don't remember that i guess they were around in like like two thousand. This toys i guess you would like they would go flying up with it would like hit you in the face or put your eyes out things like that. So they had that kind of stuff which is kind of fun.
00:06:02
Speaker
And then they had little sections of, they had like a section that had like like Walkmans within a Discman and the very first iPod. So they showed different gross in terms of ah god different things to listen to music on as the years went on, which was really nice. It was it was the coolest thing. um We only stayed for a couple of hours. It's not like they had like big events or anything like that or guests or anything. It was more like just buying stuff.
00:06:28
Speaker
Yeah. you know So, but it was fun. So that's how I geeked out in the last month. How about you? Nice. That's actually really cool. I can't believe you'd never watched robot chicken before, uh, buying the Sears. ah You are in for a treat because it is. ah It's irreverent. It's hilarious. Nothing is nothing is sacred, which is kind of cool. The the the show was, I think produced and and heavily involved was why am I drawing a blank on his name now. Seth Green? Seth Green, yeah, yeah, jeez. I had it and then I lost it and I couldn't bring it back.
00:07:07
Speaker
But yeah, Seth Green is heavily involved in that show as as as a producer. And I know he does his does voice acting for the show. And oh yeah he's such a big nerd. And it's it's great that I can't wait for you to have that experience of watching Robot Chicken. Oh, cool. I'll let you know how it goes. Now I'm going to have to go home and watch it tonight. I have it right right in my man cave you're know sitting there. So I'll put it in and just see what how it goes. I'm looking forward to it.
00:07:31
Speaker
Yeah, you'll, you'll get a kick out of it. We'll have to talk about it on the next episode. Uh, so yeah. So Kylie and I have been doing it for the past couple of weeks. We've, we've always, we've talked about it for about two or three years, but in our area where we live there, the Laurel Highlands chamber of commerce, which kind of covers a, a lot of area and, and The three counties, including the one that I the one that i live in, they're Somerset and Washington County have a couple.
00:08:04
Speaker
entries, but basically it's so the Chamber of Commerce does what's called a poor tour every single year. And they've done this for about the past five years. This is the fifth year they've done it. And you can either get a paper passport book, or you can use the the Laurel Highlands Chamber of Commerce app on your smartphone. And for each unique the location that you visit, and it's the the list is comprised of micro breweries that own beer and ciders.
00:08:32
Speaker
They have wineries, which you know wineries have been around this area for quite some time sure And then they've recently they've started to because pennsylvania has started to relax a lot of its liquor laws and allowing for more small businesses to produce Liquor within the state there are distilleries like you know, there's a couple whiskey and bourbon distilleries There's probably a vodka distillery that you can visit, you know And just for every unique location that you go to you can get your passport stamped And for every stamp on your passport, it becomes a reward point. And then once you've got enough rewards points, you can redeem the points for just different items that yeah are related to
00:09:16
Speaker
related to, you know, drinking vessels or related to the porter. Like one of the things they have is like a silicone cooler. So you can put ice in it and then put your bottles in it. There's a ah logo t shirt. And one of the the biggest prizes you can get is it looks like a growler cooler. So you like, you can put those big 64 ounce bottles in keeps them cold and insulated. Sure.
00:09:40
Speaker
Yeah, we've, we've gone to a couple of different places already. We went last Friday to a place in Greensburg and they had some phenomenal beers. And then yesterday we went to a place in Connellsville, which is right by where we live. And I think I liked it more. Like I was telling Kylie that that place that we went to last night, Yock River Brewing Company will probably become one of our regular places to visit because everything I had from there was great. And the bartender was awesome.
00:10:09
Speaker
Oh, he kept offering samples and like he opened a can of this. They only had this beer in a can, but it was a blueberry wheat beer. hu And I think they brew it with like some an insane number of pounds of blueberries. Okay. They brew with the beer and it just infuses it with this like subtle, light, crisp blueberry flavor. And it was really good. And he just opened the can and just started giving us samples. Everybody that was there just got a sample of this and yeah.
00:10:39
Speaker
Very nice. Yeah, it was really good. as Like I said, I think it'll probably become one of our regular spots once we decide, you know, once we're done with the Portora, it'll become one one of our regular spots. That's wonderful. I'm glad you guys had a good time. Like, you know, like we were saying off off screen here, you know, it's nice to have that date night and experiment with new things. That's, you know, that's what keeps a relationship going, you know? but Yep, absolutely.
00:11:03
Speaker
yeah we We enjoy our time together, and it's you know it's it is something different than we're typically
News on Star Trek and Star Wars
00:11:08
Speaker
used to doing. so Yeah, absolutely. Good. Move the ship out of the asteroid field so that we can send a clear transmission. Captain, incoming message. Of course I have the news.
00:11:20
Speaker
All right. On that note, let's get into our flurry of news topics that we have for this episode. Since we last recorded, there's been quite a lot of significant news breaking in both Star Trek and Star Wars. So Chris, I'm going to turn it over to you to talk about the recent 30th anniversary of Star Trek Voyager. Yeah. So on January 16th of this year, Star Trek Voyager reached its 30th anniversary.
00:11:48
Speaker
I can't believe that it's been 30 years already it just seems like it was just like, if anything, it feels like maybe it was like a decade ago, you know what I mean? You know, and when yeah it's funny, there's there's this meme that goes around on on so so on Facebook that says what we think of science fiction of as 30 years ago, and it's a picture of the original Battlestar Galactica.
00:12:09
Speaker
and then they say what but here's what it really is thirty years ago and it's a picture of the deep space nine cast and it kind of blows your mind it's like you know like how fast time really goes i mean i was in eighth grade now fourteen when voyager premiered i still have it recorded on on vhs from the very first night i mean i still have the actual UPN introduction has said welcome to the first night of the brand new network for the 21st century UPN something like that. Yeah, don't have that on on DHS and it's just like it's just hard to believe it's just That was the show that kind of took me in a little bit into my adolescent years and actually was the first Star Trek show that actually carried me into college
00:12:53
Speaker
Because void you're starting at six season when i started to call you in fall of ninety nine and so i kind of took me into my adulthood. You through my adolescence into adulthood and. It was nice it was one of those shows that you can actually say you actually watch different beginning to end like i did you actually became part of the void your crew and essentially journey back to the alpha quadrant with them.
00:13:17
Speaker
You know, it it was just, it was one of the, it was just an amazing show that was so different from the other Star Trek's where they were flung into this other side of the galaxy and they had to work together with a Maki, with Maki terrorists to return home, you know, and they had to overcome those differences. And of course the the writers did that because Gene Roddenberry doesn't like any, the fact that The thought of any humans in the twenty fourth century having issue with each other you know any conflict so rick burman and the and the others who created the show found a way to create that tension with the maquis. And but by the time the third season hit the kind of phase that out and they were just a united crew.
00:13:56
Speaker
And then, of course, they brought seven and nine in, which really shook up not only the show, but the the franchise going all the way back to just two years ago with Star Trek Picard. And now she's in command of the Enterprise G, you know, it's a lot. It's just and then you have really was almost the the birth of Star Trek Prodigy as well, because basically Prodigy is like a spinoff it directly for sequel series for Voyager.
00:14:20
Speaker
I don't know how much a prodigy you've gotten to watch or not, but I've watched all of it. You've watched all of it. Isn't it good? I mean, i really yeah yeah, absolutely. So, you know, it was, it was just, it was amazing that it's just, I actually just did a video on it for my YouTube channel and just talking a little bit about the history of what brought the show on. And my goal this year is to rewatch the entire series.
00:14:44
Speaker
i was I was planning anding and reviewing each season as I go. So I was going to start doing it on august or or i'm sorry this on January but my mother-in-law just had hip replacement surgery and I needed to be over there to help her out. So I had didn't get to start it that day. So hopefully it'll be starting up here shortly, depending on my work schedule and stuff. But you know do you have any memories of Voyager? I know you came into Star Trek later, kind of like I came into Star Wars later.
00:15:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I didn't, so I didn't really start my Star Trek journey until college. Yeah. So, you know, I had, I had been familiar with. the shows. I mean, my dad watched Next Generation when it was airing in syndication, he would watch Deep Space Nine. And it just never really caught my attention. I don't know if I just didn't give it enough time. If I was like, oh, I don't want to watch that because my dad watches it, you know. Yeah. Oh, exactly. I don't know really what my reasoning was behind not watching it before college. But yeah, I just I really got into the show in college and I really I don't I can't remember
00:15:54
Speaker
when exactly I watched Voyager, but I mean, I can almost bet that the way that I watched the show was with my Netflix DVD by mail subscription. ah So I would get one or two discs at a time with, and each disc would have like four episodes on it. So, okay you know, I'd watch, i'd I'd get a disc and I'd send it back in the mail and then, you know, a couple of days later I'd have the next four episodes. So, you know, over the course of several months,
00:16:20
Speaker
I did, you know, I watched the whole series and yeah, I remember just really, really liking the the change in, in setting because, you know, the Delta quadrant is not something that really had ever been explored in Star Trek. It was always referred to as, and always, you know, pain. They always painted the picture that it's so far out there away from Federation space that, you know, and it's, yeah, I just, I really,
00:16:47
Speaker
thought it reinvigorated the Trek franchise and you know kind of gave us a little bit of DS9 and a little bit of TNG kind of wrapped into you know one yep one series because yeah it took the best parts of both of those series and kind of you know made a mashup of them.
00:17:09
Speaker
I love the feistiness of Janeway, which you know was very similar to, in a way so you know in in some ways similar to Sisko's personality, where you know he's kind of the he's not the picture-perfect Starfleet captain and neither was Janeway. She definitely did not have the same level of ah calm and yeah rationality of Picard, you know. Exactly. And she had to carry a lot of weight on her shoulders, too. I mean, she's the one who made the decision to strand the ship in the Delta Quadrant yeah by destroying the caretaker's array to save the Alkampa. So they didn't mention that a whole lot during the season. The big time it ever came up was in the fifth season premiere of Voyager called Night, where the ship was stuck in this black void and they were going to be having to go through it for two years.
00:17:57
Speaker
And she went to isolate in her quarters and she finally said something to jacote about how it was selfish of her and stupid to actually make that decision because now the crew is suffering for it. I mean, they, they got through it and everything, but that just showed you how much that was weighing on her. Cause essentially any crew member who died on board that ship, it was based on her decision. You know what I mean? So, and they even mentioned that again in the series finale end game where.
00:18:24
Speaker
future Janeway was trying to tell current captain Janeway that it was you made the decision to keep everybody in the quadrant to save the Ocampo, but now it's time to to save your crew. You know, it's not selfish. It's time for you to go home. And there are all these ramifications that will happen in the future if you don't.
00:18:41
Speaker
You know, so like, I'm glad that that Jamie was finally able to kind of get her crew home safely and not have to deal with the repercussions, you know, but yeah, I mean, and that's, and of course we can't say talk about Voyager without saying that she was the first female captain of a Star Trek series, which was a big deal at the time.
00:18:59
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. mean Almost as big of a deal as Cisco being the first black captain. Exactly. Exactly. like ah Grant. I mean, he entered the show as a commander, but he was actually promoted to captain. Sorry. Spoiler. Yeah. He was the first leading had over 30 years. Exactly. Exactly. You know, so, and then obviously Sue, who else was really good on the show? Neelix was, was meant to be kind of like the quark.
00:19:24
Speaker
of yeah ah a Voyager. I learned that during my ah research for my show, but they made him different. He wasn't like any kind of you know criminal or anything like that. like Quark had that criminality to him, but it was still lovable and funny. Neolix was just kind of funny. and what i really His character was interesting to watch and grow because he came on board. He was the expert of the Delta Quadrant, and that they like that lasted for a number of years.
00:19:51
Speaker
But the writers were right. That could only last for so long. So by the middle of the third season, we got to a point where he was like, I don't know what to do anymore. I were reaching an area of space I've never been to before. And now he felt like he was useless on the ship. So after that, they found different other things for him to do as time went on.
00:20:10
Speaker
and He had a really nice ending he never we always thought that he looks was gonna go home with the crew. When the series ended but right i don't know if you remember right before the series ended he actually found a ah colony of tlaxians way far out and he actually stayed with them. You know i thought that was a really cool ending for him.
00:20:27
Speaker
Yeah. Now that you refresh my memory. Yeah, I do remember it. Yeah. No, that was, that was a fitting in for him. Right. I think
Voyager's Cultural Impact
00:20:35
Speaker
so. laian on You know, for how many years when they were stuck in the Delta quadrant, he finally got to reunite with some of his people. Yeah. Exactly.
00:20:45
Speaker
Now, I don't know how you felt about it, but I remember in season two, the Kazon were still the main enemy, and they had that whole arc with Seska, and it was Jakote's lover. She betrayed the Voyager crew. Yeah, and she joined them, and then they ended up stealing the ship. That was one of the earlier times in Star Trek history where they had kind of a serialized arc going on.
00:21:08
Speaker
With with everything because yeah, even during this throughout the second season, even the episodes that didn't deal with the case on There would be a little nugget in between like whatever the crew was going through at that moment the spy on board the ship for cesca michael jonas Would would feed information which to to them about that episode and it kind of led to them finally taking the ship, which I thought was a really cool thing. I know the people that a lot of fans didn't like the Kazon in general. I always thought that they were very fascinating. They were different from what we had ever really seen in Star Trek before. They were like, they were modeled off of Los Angeles gangs, actually. Makes sense. Yeah. That's where the whole thing with the Kazon Ogla, Nystrom, all the different sex
00:21:53
Speaker
that That that were there you know which was made it kind of interesting but they eventually phase the case on out which made sense cuz they were heading home and there couldn't be in case on space forever. You know so but that was that was something that always stuck out with me with voyager was that unique arc that they had that year.
00:22:10
Speaker
Yeah. And I mean, look, yeah it's always, it's so Star Trek to turn the lens internally on yeah our society and give us, you know, and while not making direct comparisons, it alludes to this is what's happening in our world. the You know, but also I think by the time that Voyager had abandoned that, that storyline with, you know, with them, the,
00:22:35
Speaker
The new cycle had significantly moved on from the race riots and stuff, so I guess yes that's why they chose to move on. Absolutely. so But yeah, those are some really some of my great thoughts of of Voyager over the years. I love it. i so I'm looking forward to doing the rewatch because it's been years since I've watched many of them and kind of go from there.
00:22:56
Speaker
All right, sounds good, man. I am looking forward to hearing your thoughts as you go back on your Voyager journey. You'll have to let me know when you get to thresholds. Oh, oh, okay. Yeah. I'll let you know about the lizard babies. Oh, the episode. Everyone loves to hate, right? Exactly. Yep. I mean, it was even mentioned in lower decks a whole bunch of times. Yeah. Oh yeah. I mean, lower decks has always been self referential to absolutely the history of tracks. So love little gags like that. Definitely. Definitely.
00:23:32
Speaker
All right, so let's move on to another couple of news stories from Star Wars. So the first big thing that broke news wise since you and I recorded last was they recast the character of Balan skull in Ahsoka. Unfortunately, after Ray Stevenson passed away from a very short illness, you know, his, yeah.
00:23:57
Speaker
They obviously they still had plans for the character based on where they left him and at the end of season one. right soka they They couldn't just not continue that character's arc.
00:24:10
Speaker
because it was really, really left unfinished. So they, because of, because of the plans for the character and unfortunately Ray Stevenson's death, they recast the role with, and filled it with Rory McCann, who, I don't know. Did you watch Game of Thrones, Chris? No, you know, cause that was on HBO, right? Correct. Yeah. um I don't have HBO or HBO max. So I never got to see it.
00:24:36
Speaker
Yeah, so it's he he's probably most well known for his role as the Hound. Well, that was the nickname, but yeah like character the character's actual name is Sandor Clegane, and he's one of two brothers. There's the Hound and the Mountain.
00:24:52
Speaker
And the hound was a very large man. Like the, the actor himself, Rory McCann is, is huge. He's like six, six and his brother and game of thrones was even larger and even taller. Like, you know, something about these two, I don't know what, you know, that something about their lineage, man, they were just giants. Um, but what, what I liked about the hound is in the show, he started out as kind of a, he was a villain, you know, he was,
00:25:20
Speaker
one of the primary antagonists in the first couple of seasons of the show, but, you know, he started to grow. He started to really question his loyalties and essentially, you know, he, he had a really good character arc in the show. And yeah, I'm, I really liked the actor. I'm really excited to see where, you know, where he take Bailin skull. Um,
00:25:45
Speaker
So what do you know him from anything? Like, have you ever seen, do you see the new Jumanji movies or anything like that? No, I haven't. I haven't. Okay. Cause he was in one of the, he's kind of a character actor and in most stuff. Okay. He's not really, he's not really a recurring character in a lot of stuff. Let's, he's more, you know, used.
00:26:08
Speaker
He's other than his role in the game in Game of Thrones. He's used very sparingly in movies and shows. OK, so i'm I'm excited to see him get, you know, this regular role in in in Ahsoka for c two. So yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm excited to see how he does as well. I'm certainly going to go. He's got a lot of big shoes to fill. Definitely. And, you know, but I think everybody just needs to keep an open mind and just say, you know, see what he brings to the role at this point, you know,
00:26:38
Speaker
i think I think overall the fans are actually pretty pleased with the casting. Good, good. I mean, what I know when I saw the announcement, I was like, hmm, yep, he can do it. Absolutely. Oh yeah, that's my thought. was yeah That's a perfect casting. Absolutely. Yeah, and i I saw the picture, they put the the faces but beside the two. I mean, it definitely matches and it definitely works, you know? So I can't wait to see what he brings. I think it's going to be wonderful.
00:27:07
Speaker
Yeah, and while we're talking about Ahsoka there's some of course some rumors are flying because the show is I mean the show is being written and you know things leak yeah all the time. So, you know, a lot of a couple of the leaks are saying that the script calls for Ewan McGregor to return, which will be awesome to see him as Obi-Wan again. And of course, along with Hayden Christensen and Ariana Greenblatt, who played the young Ahsoka in the flashback scenes in Ahsoka.
00:27:39
Speaker
You know, all three of that or rather Hayden and Hayden and Ariana are definitely returning because they'll use that, you know, they they'll use the flashback sequences to pretty good effect, I think again. But yeah, I'm excited to see you and as a young Obi-Wan coming back in flashbacks because.
00:27:56
Speaker
Yeah, I just, of course, love that character. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah, if he certainly has the energy for the role still, I mean, everything when he was in Obi-Wan Kenobi, his own his own series. I mean, he did a phenomenal job. So actually getting to see him in live action in the Clone War gear, kind of like we did with Hayden Christensen, is going to be exciting. Nice little nuggets and going back to the show. And he's really kind of the only piece that's missing from what from those flashbacks in Ahsoka.
00:28:24
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it'll be it'll be cool to see him, you know, in the role again. And, you know, honestly, if if Tom Cruise can still do Mission and Impossible movies at over at 70 years old, you and McGregor can handle the Obi Wan pretty, pretty well, I think. Absolutely. No, I agree with you 100%. Yeah. I mean, you and McGregor is probably only one is early 50s.
00:28:47
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, something like that. Yeah, I mean, he's got more than enough energy to do it. And Hayden Christensen certainly pulled the role off. I mean, they didn't even de age him. I mean, you can say you could tell he looked more in his, you know, older, but I mean, he still looked pretty good for the role. and But at least they have that technology now that if they felt they needed to do what they could.
00:29:06
Speaker
Yeah, know we get a little bit if necessary, but Exactly. But I mean, they really don't need to. I mean, I think he did. he He looks pretty good still for the role. And then the the young little the young girl who who played the the teenager. So I think she nailed it. Yeah, she's a phenomenal actress. Yeah, she's, she's kind of yeah she This is the second young version of a character that she's played in a major franchise because she was the young Gamora in and the Marvel, the MCU movie. She played a young Gamora in and a few scenes. So it's kind of cool that you know that she was also the cast as the young Ahsoka.
00:29:43
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Well, that's really cool. That's good. You know, so, yeah. So when it so what do we know when Ahsoka season two is coming out? We have no clue. I mean, they haven't even started filming it yet. Yeah, I didn't think so. I don't know. I don't even know if this the the ah if all the scripts are done. OK. Yeah. I mean, I'm i'm sure that Dave Filoni has the entire outline of where the series is going this season, whether he's finished the individual episodes or not. I don't know.
00:30:13
Speaker
Right. Absolutely. Okay. Well, I mean, so we know it's going to be a little bit of a wait then. And, you know, to be honestly, with thinking about skeleton crew and and we know Andor season two will be coming soon and we know season two of Ahsoka's coming, we haven't really heard much on the television front for Star Wars. Is that starting to wane? Are they starting to focus on back into the motion pictures?
00:30:35
Speaker
I mean, Star Wars has always really been about the, the big screen, the cinematic experience, right? Sure. you know it's it's yeah I love seeing Star Wars on, on my TV and being able to watch all this, you know, all these series and, and, you know, animated shows and live action shows. I'm loving it, but yeah I'm not loving everything that comes out either. Yeah.
00:30:58
Speaker
But yeah, Star Wars belongs on the big screen. It always has. yeah And I think, I just think that after the the marketing failure of Solo to to really turn a profit, I think they wanted to take a break and see how the streaming thing was going to work out. And I mean, again, it's.
00:31:18
Speaker
I think if you put Star Wars back on the big screen, people will flock to see it. Even the ones that complain about Star Wars incessantly online will still go see it. And then they'll complain some more, but it's okay because you already gave your money to the studio, so.
00:31:34
Speaker
They don't care what your thoughts are, and and you know all all press is good press, right? Exactly, exactly. Yeah, you're right. Everybody who grumbles and moans and groans about that stuff, they always go back. They'll do it in a sneaky kind of way, or they'll just or they'll go and make a video and say, oh, I'm just doing this begrudgingly so you guys don't have to do it.
00:31:53
Speaker
Yeah, you hear that from a lot of YouTubers, ah you know, yeah fighting the good fight for the for the people. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Deep down, they're probably sitting there eating a ton of popcorn, like cheering the screen and what's going on, you know. So yeah, I i have I have this.
00:32:11
Speaker
this head cannon that, you know, all these Star Wars, these creators that, you know, do these negative Star Wars videos are secretly really into it. And they just do it because that's their on, that's their on air personality,
New Star Wars Movie Buzz
00:32:24
Speaker
right? that yes That's the character that they play in these videos.
00:32:28
Speaker
Yes, I really, I really hesitate to think that those are their actual thoughts. most Exactly. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. All right. So what's ah next on our agenda here? start track Yeah. Do you have anything, any news other than the Star Trek voyage or anniversary?
00:32:49
Speaker
Well, I think most Star Trek fans at this point know that yesterday was an important day in the fandom as Star Trek's first television movie aired on Paramount Plus, Star Trek section 31. So I thought I was like, okay, this time I'm really going to watch lately with all, I'm not a big, I don't like streaming. I've always, I love TV and stuff like that. And I don't have a TV at home that really does kind of does that as weird as that sounds. So I have to watch a lot of my stuff on the computer.
00:33:17
Speaker
So sometimes I've gotten behind watching Star Trek and and it not on opening day, which used to always, what I always would always do. And so yesterday I said to myself, I'm going to watch section 31 today and and be fully prepared for it.
00:33:32
Speaker
Well, I was watching a political video on YouTube and I got enthralled and I ran out of time to watch this. I was like, okay, when my wife and I come home from dinner, I'm going to watch it. Well, I'm on the tail end of fighting a cold and I was really tired yesterday. So 6.30 in the evening, I went to bed and woke up at 8 a.m. this morning to go to work. So I have not watched section 31 yet and I plan on watching it tonight.
00:33:59
Speaker
That being said, I've heard basically nothing but negative reviews.
Star Trek Section 31 Concerns
00:34:03
Speaker
I'm trying to avoid stuff so that I can go into it clean on my own, but I'm hearing people saying it's the worst Star Trek that was ever made. It's Star Trek in name only. Alex Kursman, this is the nail in the coffin for him being the the leader of the Star Trek franchise at this point. so And I even saw a picture yesterday of Rotten Tomatoes giving it only an 18% score in terms of approval. So I was already,
00:34:29
Speaker
Yeah. So I was already going into this project saying, okay, section 31 is the complete antithesis of what Star Trek is all about. But obviously I try to go in with an open mind with everything when they just to kind of see it for myself. And this, I'm not surprised that people were saying this, but I'm i'm actually seeing some of the dye. I have a lot of Star Trek fans from all over the world that I'm friends with on Facebook and they've loved everything that's come out from discovery, everything.
00:34:56
Speaker
You know, and they're actually beating down on this and it was like, holy cow. I think the really, the ones who have really been supportive of a lot of the newer Star Trek are turning against it. This must be really bad. yeah You know, yeah so I'm curious to watch it from that end, just to kind of see, you know, what it, you know, why everybody's hating it so much, but I kind of get a vibe, you know, but what are your thoughts? Did you get to watch it yet? I watched.
00:35:24
Speaker
some of it last night, but I don't know if the movie I just wasn't into or if I was just completely worn out from my week, but I fell asleep while watching it. Probably made it about halfway through before just completely giving myself over to sleep. so i From what I saw from what I saw of it, it It doesn't know what it's trying to be as far as it doesn't know what it's trying to be. It doesn't know the story. It's trying to tell it. it It's trying to do. Marvel movie style comedy with really random bad jokes. And just the over just the plot of the movie is not. It's not cohesive. It's like it's it's like part it's like
00:36:16
Speaker
Star Trek colored guardians of the galaxy, but nowhere near as heartfelt or just it's, it's, it tries to be zany and it just does not work. Okay.
00:36:33
Speaker
Yeah, I, I will, I will, I don't know if I'm going to put myself through the torture of restarting from the beginning. I think I'll just try to watch what's left and piece together what I missed, uh, out of consciousness. I gotcha. Okay. So you're going to be the one, like one of those YouTubers. I'm going to take one for the team, huh? and urban No, I'm not going to make a video about it, but I would just say this, watch it. If you're a completist, otherwise don't waste your time. Gotcha.
00:37:03
Speaker
Gotcha. Okay. Well, that's good to know. At least I know kind of what I'm getting into tonight but with everything. So yeah. i'm kind And you know, if I'm talking really that if I'm being that negative about something, it it must not be good. Exactly. yeah Because you've been more Like I don't hate, I'm not going to say I hate new Trek. I'm not going to say that. I mean, i've like I've said, I've been very clear about what I don't like about just discovery and strange new worlds. And I'll say it again, it's only about the continuity issues because that's just the way my brain's geared. Every i the cast, the characters, I had no problems with any of them. I enjoyed all of them, you know, but and there are a lot of more people that have been more open about their love of of the newer Trek. And it's just, it's very disconcerting to see so many people
00:37:49
Speaker
Literally ripping this film apart. You've loved a lot of the new stuff, you know, it just doesn't that doesn't set well with me so I'm like I'm kind of a little nervous about going in and watching this and be like You know, is this really like could this be the beginning of the death for this era of Star Trek if if you know, I I don't know. I don't want to jump the gun. I just want to watch it for myself and see what happens. And then I'm going to do a video on it for my my YouTube channel and then go from there and see what happens. Let it let it die a painful ah death. Yes. i And i I do get buried in streaming eggs. And that's I really do think that's what's going to happen. So yeah, we'll see. Yeah. I mean, we have do we have the Starfleet Academy show this this year?
00:38:33
Speaker
we have You know what? this year They're filming it right now. I don't know though if they actually gave a time frame for when it's going to be released. To be honest with you, I don't even know if they have a date set yet for season three of Strange New Worlds.
00:38:46
Speaker
Right. But at least that show is done. Yeah, it's done in unfilming. Right. And they're prepping season four. They just haven't given a release date yet, which I'm kind of surprised about. But you know what? After ah Section 31 bombs, you know, I can imagine that Paramount Plus is going to say, OK, you know what? We're going to give you a date. So that way you guys say, hey, there's still something to look forward to something that might clean the palate a little bit, you know, instead of holding off on the release date.
00:39:13
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, do you think they'll hold off until first contact day to tell us when it's coming back or you think we'll know beforehand? To be honest with you, I mean, it wouldn't have surprised me if they would have held off until first contact day. But like I said, if Section 31 doesn't do well and the fans are starting to turn and it looks bad for Paramount Plus, I think they'll release it earlier just to make people happy. Just to say, OK, let's forget about Section 31. We got we say Strange New World's the best Star Trek that's come out in this whole generation right now. You got to come in very soon. That's what I'm thinking. and Yeah, let's hope just to clarify.
00:39:51
Speaker
First contact day is very early April. I think April 5th, right? April 5th. Yes. Cause in, in first contact, it was April 5th, 2063 when Vulcans made contact with earth. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. So it's not that far away. I mean, we're already towards the very end of January. So sure yeah, it'll be interesting to see what we find out if, if we get any news earlier than that on, on the show. Absolutely.
00:40:19
Speaker
And where is the future of Star Trek going? I wonder, do will we have information there? Exactly. That's what I'm waiting to see after this film. like You know there are going to be articles that are going to be coming out the questioning this, just guaranteed. Oh, yeah you know so yeah. I can't wait to see.
00:40:39
Speaker
I don't think Star Trek Into Darkness it will be the the the the most hated Star Trek film now after this
Daisy Ridley's Star Wars Movie
00:40:44
Speaker
one. Probably not. i Honestly, when you've got longtime fans saying this is the worst Star Trek in Star Trek history, you you've bombed. and no No doubt about it. Yeah. All right. So yeah, we we don't know what's coming in Star Trek for the rest of the year, but hopefully something comes soon to get that taste of Section 31 out of everyone's mouth. Mm-hmm. Exactly.
00:41:10
Speaker
Right. ah And the last bit of news that we have before we move on to our topic of discussion of Skeleton Crew, they made an announcement yesterday or or Thursday that there are new there's a new writer that was brought in to complete the screenplay for Daisy Ridley's new Star Wars movie.
00:41:32
Speaker
Previously it was being written by I believe Damon Lindelof and I can't think of who else was oh ah Yeah, dae Damon Lindelof was the primary writer and you know, he was responsible for lost and Watchmen he was you know, he's kind of one of JJ Abrams buddies JJ Abrams used him a lot very early on in his career he was originally supposed to be the writer with with somebody else and Now we have George Nolfi is the new writer on this project and I'm kind of you know, i'm I'm happy with this casting. I think he does action very well I think he knows how to write an action movie He definitely knows how to handle a fight sequence because he was involved with the Jason Bourne movies. Okay
00:42:19
Speaker
If you've ever watched like the born identity the born supremacy, you know that the the combat scenes the fight scenes are incredible and you know, they look very convincing and and you can't really fake the the kind of stuff, you know, the the fight sequences because that style, you know, he's very in your face in the actors faces and you see every little detail.
00:42:41
Speaker
of the fight, you know, it's, it's the fight choreography that he's able to come up with is is pretty impressive. And but just the way he captures it, you know, on, on cameras is phenomenal. So I'm hoping that this means that we're going to have a night, a very action oriented star Wars movie. I really think that the, the, yeah, I think this was a great choice with the writer. Let's see if he stays on, because if we know anything about new star Wars projects is it's like a revolving door of writers and directors.
00:43:11
Speaker
And we, we get projects that never see the light of day or, you know, never get confirmed canceled, but it's kind of like, well, if we haven't heard anything in five years, is it really still happening? You know? Absolutely. I don't know. Oh, oh, that's right. There's another bit of Star Wars news. Well, anyway, we'll get on, we'll get to that at another time once it's confirmed because it's still kind of.
00:43:36
Speaker
Rumor and hearsay at this point, but okay. Have you ever watched the the Bourne movies or seen anything? That the George no fee was involved in? No, I did not know but I heard what you're saying about the action scenes a lot of people say yeah Yeah, so yeah, it's so i'm I'm really thinking that this could really be a gritty hopefully a gritty star wars movie with the fights, at least because, yeah, that would be something different for Star Wars. Absolutely. And it would be great to see the new Jedi Order finally getting built and seeing, if you know, if the Sith what happened, if the Sith come back or if they create some sort of new kind of villain that the Jedi now have to deal with its force, maybe force sensitive. Who knows? right Right now, the sky's kind of a limit.
00:44:20
Speaker
Yeah, kind of. You know, so it'll be a lot of fun and it'll be great to see Ray again. she I thought she was a very fascinating character and I'm sure they're going to probably pull some of that dark side, light side kind of stuff into it because now that she's, we know she's biologically a Palpatine, I'm sure she's going to be fighting that in her, in in who she is for her, you know, as she goes, continues on.
00:44:45
Speaker
Right, right. Yeah, i'm i'm really I'm really excited to see where she goes with with it because I think that Daisy Ridley, when she has a good director behind her, somebody who knows how to work with her, I think she can do great things. I just don't know if JJ Abrams did Ray justice, you know, ah hu by the end of it. I just don't think he used her the way that the the way she's best used.
00:45:12
Speaker
And yeah, I'm just I'm just really the reason why I say that the reason why I say about Daisy Ridley that way is I recently watched on Disney Plus, it's called young woman in the sea. Okay, and Daisy Ridley is the star and she plays the first she she plays the first woman to successfully swim the English Channel.
00:45:32
Speaker
Oh, nice movie is about her journey to, you know, to become, you know, to be the first woman who swam across the English channel. And by the way, she set the record, ah not not only did she do it, but she set the record by over almost two hours, I believe. Oh, wow. Okay. Like, you know, previously, and this takes place in the 19, I think the the late 1920s. So, okay.
00:45:57
Speaker
you know, prior to that point, no, nobody other than nobody, nobody but men had successfully swum the English channel. And not only was she the first woman, but she also set the record. She beat, she beat the record of every other guy that successfully did it. Wow. Okay. Very, it's almost like based on a true story too. So nice. It's kind of like the Amelia Earhart only in water. but said Yeah. Yeah. That's, that's an app comparison. I would say, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:46:25
Speaker
yeah Yeah, but if if you get a chance to check it out on a Disney Plus, do. Cool. I will definitely do that. Definitely. All
'Skeleton Crew' Review
00:46:32
Speaker
righty. Anything else you want to say about Ray and her movie? Don't get technical with me. Margie, it is the beginning of wisdom from Barris. The Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense. No, I think we've pretty much covered everything there is to cover. Do you want to want its tap into your inner pirate?
00:46:53
Speaker
and Oh, yes, me matey. Absolutely. man was so So we're going into the review of the first season of Star Wars skeleton crew. So this this series, i would I actually when I first heard about it, I was really excited about it because part of it reminded me of Star Trek Prodigy, which was about these you know kids finding a ship and going out and having adventures.
00:47:18
Speaker
So I was like, okay, it worked very well for prodigy. I wonder how they're going to pull it off with with skeleton crew. Are they going to kind of duplicate it or have this their own little unique backstory to it? and and And what was nice is that with with prodigy, you had these these this rag tank tag team of kids were basically slaves on a slave planet, find the ship and they get to kind of experience life for the first time, minus being slaves.
00:47:45
Speaker
These kids were coming for in skeleton crew are actually coming from a place of privilege. Almost if you kind of think about, I mean, at Atten was this, this beautiful, idyllic world that was isolated from the rest of the galaxy. They all had good lives going on, but when comes in and we see somebody who wants more.
00:48:04
Speaker
more than just wanting to be working for some sort of company on the planet, just doing what's good for the better good of at at and, you know, and so they bring these kids a privilege, they they find this this ship and kind of get thrust off into an adventure they weren't expecting.
00:48:21
Speaker
and really kind of learning who they were and what kind of abilities that they had as as they went off on these adventures. And definitely it felt like watching the Goonies with without a doubt, which I'm sure was the, I mean, obviously that was like the the inspiration behind this series. I mean, so and it was it was fun to kind of take it ah in that route, even down to the to SM 33 growling like an old pirate, you know, it was really great. So I watched, what was it, eight episodes, right? and mean Correct. Yeah, it was every single one I watched, they it just dragged you in, it sucked you in. You just wanted to watch what these kids were going to be going off and doing in each episode. What was the next adventure? What was the next piece of the puzzle about this treasure that that so so that the galaxy has been talking about all of these years? What was the mystery of the barrier? Why were these six planets throughout the galaxy blocked off?
00:49:17
Speaker
you know from from everything else. you know and it just It was a fun adventure. and it was It made you feel like a kid again kind of watching it. you know so what were What were your general thoughts?
00:49:28
Speaker
I mean, overall, I love the story. I love the, the, you know, I love the idea of it being a 1980s kid venture. Yes. Kind of like, you know, in the same vein as ET, Goonies, explorers, even, even Red Dawn in a way, right? You know, is that it's the, you know, the, the, the group of kids who against all odds end up you know Being successful in their mission and they grow as people you know throughout the the the you know the entire series.
00:50:02
Speaker
yeah know and And it was nice because the characters did get to grow each and every episode, you know, as they, as they learn, as they became more understanding of the galaxy, not being the idyllic place that they came from. And, you know, learning that they can't just trust every, everybody that they come across, that there are people who don't want to, yeah they don't have that, that sense of wanting to help and and be and contribute to the galaxy the greater galaxy good. you know and It's a hard lesson that kids do eventually learn in life.
00:50:41
Speaker
and you know and hey what it you know film and TV are really good at teaching us those life lessons. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely. And i I mentioned just a little bit ago that, you know, it makes you think about the adventures that you would even have as a kid. You know, like, I mean, the beginning of the series premiere where you saw women and was it a Neil, Neil, and they were doing the lightsaber battles with each other. You know, we all did stuff like that growing up, you know, and even, you know, and also the very first episode when I was reviewing it,
00:51:14
Speaker
You know there was that part where fern learn from women unexpectedly about about that hatch that they found in the woods. And they're badly back and forth and she said it was her final was his find those kind of things it reminded me of an event that happened with my younger brother when we were in elementary school.
00:51:33
Speaker
There was that when we were riding on the bus there was that we would be drove by this one area and there was an a bow and arrow like an actual arrow sticking in the ground. And it actually turned into a heated battle about who was gonna get it between my younger brother and our next door neighbor and stuff and they fought about it to the point where it actually the school got involved.
00:51:54
Speaker
and and because they were fighting about it on the bus so badly you know and it just kind of reminded me that that whole thing with fern and when just reminded me of that story so it brings back little memories of things that we did do and experiences kids which made it so much fun.
00:52:09
Speaker
You know, yeah, yeah. Yeah. The whole, the whole series was, it was, it was a contained story. They kept it small, right? They didn't really involve the characters in the the greater galaxy at large. You know, you, they're very isolated from everything else that we've seen in this time period, you know, from, from the Mandalorian from Ahsoka from the book of Boba Fett, right? These kids are completely isolated and divorced from that.
00:52:39
Speaker
That whole, you know, the whole greater drama that's going on in the galaxy. So I loved how they kept it, you know, very small and intimate and really just all we did was follow those characters. Right. And we didn't see them getting involved in some.
00:52:55
Speaker
bigger galactic mystery or some bigger galactic conflict, right? You know, yeah it was enough that they got to experience their own story. And then just the little touches of, you know, with the involvement of the New Republic, right? And the S wings, B wings, you know, and in the final battle, which was awesome seeing those B wings, by the way. Oh, yeah, absolutely. And I love how they they followed through with you know, just giving us more and showing us more of what the B wing was capable of much like Star Wars Rebels did, because if you remember, was Harrow was the test pilot for the B wing. Yes, rebels. And just how, how cool that ship, how how cool they made that ship in Rebels. And they they they just continue that with, you know, with the brief
00:53:44
Speaker
You know, times that we see it in skeleton crew. I thought that was phenomenal. Absolutely. Absolutely. I think one of the most fascinating parts of the show was Jod himself because, you know, you see him at the beginning of the show. Obviously, we know that he was a pirate because he was the captain of that crew at the very beginning. You know, he had the mask on and everything, but we know it was him, you know. So but then you see he's force sensitive. You know, he knows how to use a lightsaber.
00:54:12
Speaker
and But so you like most people's fans seem to think that like he was going to be revealed as a Jedi who probably was like a pad of water or youngling who escaped Order 66. But the show left it so nebulous that you want to know more about this character. So I mean, they knew what they were doing. They could have easily just sealed it up and said, oh, he was a Jedi and that would have been all fine and dandy. But I think everybody would have been kind of like, eh, we already knew that.
00:54:37
Speaker
You know so there's a lot more to the backstory and then now in the in the series he did say something like didn't he say that he was saved by a Jedi right it wasn't that he was actually a padawan like Canaan was it was more. He was like some street rat or something who this yeah.
00:54:55
Speaker
escape Jedi found, but we didn't find out any more about that. And we also don't know if that was actually a true story. He could have just been making that up. So that was exactly. So a lot of mystery around the character. And even at the end of the the end of the episode, the final episode, he was just like standing there. I don't know what he was waiting for or whatever, but.
00:55:18
Speaker
You know, we don't it's there's a big mystery. What's going to be coming to him next? Is he going to get caught? Is he going to get away somehow? You know, there's so many different things that can happen with this character. And Jude Law gave an amazing performance. He he was excellent with what was being around the Pirates and and interacted very well with the kids. and And it was just he was it was just very well. The whole series was just very well done. Yeah, I agree. I really thought.
00:55:42
Speaker
i Yeah, I kind of got sucked up you know sucked into the whole mystery behind Jod and you know I was wondering if you know we were gonna get was he going to have a redemption arc was he going to eventually do the right thing and Come to the you know it like come to the kids rescue in the moment when they need it most and I'm very happy to say that they that the show did not fall victim to those tropes of Star Wars. you know you know i thought it was you know I thought he was either going the direction of Han Solo, you know having that change of conscience. that you know that the
00:56:19
Speaker
The moment where he realizes that he's, you know, he cares for the people that he helped rescue and he's no longer just a lone smuggler, you know, making his way through the galaxy with, you know, with his loyal friend and co-pilot, right? You know, he came back and felt he was part of the greater, you know, he had to be part of the solution, part of the greater good or.
00:56:42
Speaker
The other thing that happens in Star Wars is, you know, a character has a redemption arc that leads to their death. Yes. And neither of those things happened with Jod. And I was like, you know what? I'm not mad about this. No, I really think that the way that they treated his character, you know, and and and just the fact that, you know, you never really see too much expression of force powers.
00:57:07
Speaker
You know, from him, like other than the, you know, the force pool or, you know, some of the limited abilities, you know, and the, the combat that he, you know, his, uh, his really, he wasn't very good at lightsaber combat either. Uh-huh. About the only thing he knew was, you know, the only thing he really was comfortable with was knowing how to turn it on the right way and not stab himself. Yeah, exactly. Unlike, unlike for a whim who nearly, you know,
00:57:34
Speaker
Took a limb off. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I mean, they could have easily done this as something very basic. It could have been like, okay, I was, I was poorly trained as a Jedi and now I'm going to take whim on as my, they get to go on down that route that's been done a million times, you know? but I think the writers knew what they were doing. Absolutely. Now, I know one thing that we were talking about was a lot of the Easter eggs that were in, in them and You know ah in my rewatch of the show i mean the first episode had a ton of stuff. A lot of parallels like for example yes i mean when wanting more than just being stuck on this planet gets even said the episode all boring it was on ad aden. You know and and then him laying in bed at one point where he wanted dad to read a story to him and he had to go and work and he's laying up and he's looking at this mobile of these different ships.
00:58:24
Speaker
I'm guessing we're clone warship era ships, you know, that was his Luke Skywalker staring at the sun's moment. Right. Right. You know, essentially, that's the beauty of Star Wars is, you know, things there are parallels and, you know, and so it was always follows the basic structure of the hero's journey. Yes. And in everything. And yeah, Wim had every single character had their hero's journey in that show.
00:58:49
Speaker
Exactly, exactly. There was another thing I noticed. and I don't know if it was done intentionally, but there was a re return to the Jedi moment when wind was on his speeder. I guess I think he was with, was it with, was he with Neil at the time? But he actually flies under a big log on his speeder. It just kind of reminded me of Luke and Leia going through the forest of Endor and they went under that big tree that one time.
00:59:11
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I don't know if you you remember that or I i know, i'ing at the crown but pulling it stuff, but I really enjoyed that. And then who didn't love the, I wouldn't have known this if I hadn't watched it a few months or mother to before in the first episode, you watch the acrobatic scene that that Neil and his siblings were watching. That's from the holiday special. I know. I love that. Yes. I couldn't believe they actually added that. It kind of like added some,
00:59:39
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Cannon touched to the holiday special which everybody hates, you know, that was really cool to see Yeah. I love the first episode, you know, the first time we see Jod, you know, infiltrating that ship with his crew and he grabs the one person, you know, the one crew member on the ship by the throat, very, in very, you know, similar to how Vader makes his entrance in episode four and in a new hope in the very first star Wars film that we got that we were treated to, you know, yeah I thought that was great, you know, seeing that just that twist on, on Vader's line and in that.
01:00:14
Speaker
you know Hearing John use it and in the same context. Exactly. Actually, that brings up another thought I had. If you watch when the pirates are boarding the ship at the beginning of the first episode, the pete the crew on board are at the airlock listening to a game broken through, and they're there with their guns, just like at the beginning of the original Star Wars movie.
01:00:36
Speaker
You know, and then then it busts through and then and the pirates are immediately firing like the storm troopers did. Yep. You know, so totally they really they knocked it out of the park for that, especially that first episode that they really packed in the the the Easter eggs.
01:00:50
Speaker
Yeah. I love how you instantly know that the show is Star Wars from that, from that very opening sequence. You know, you, you know, you feel that it's Star Wars and you're like, okay, I am in for this. I am ready for the ride. Take me wherever we're going. Please. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Now let me ask you this. So we talked about JOD already out of the four kids. Was there or any, it was there, which one was your favorite?
01:01:15
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Oh man, I, I am torn between Neil and KB as my two favorites. Okay. Okay. And why do you say those two? Well, Neil, I just loved how, you know, he, he was probably, he was probably the most innocent of the four character, of the four child characters. Yes. You know, he, he, he was kind of, he would,
01:01:40
Speaker
Had he not been best friends with Wim, had Wim not been his best friend, I don't think that he would have followed anyone else on the journey. right like you know His call to adventure is the fact that his buddy, his best friend, Wim, was wanting something more than life on thatd at and that. was his That was his call to adventure, which And then just, you know, he, you know, whenever they made it to that, to the planet where the two factions were fighting against each other, you know, he, he got really close with, and I cannot remember the girl character's name, but he got really close with her. Like, you know, like that was his first crush, you know? Yeah. I thought that was just so, so sweet and so innocent, right? You know, his, his first crush becomes somebody that,
01:02:28
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all the, you know, where Neil has known nothing but privilege and, uh, and safety and comfort. This girl has known none of that. And her only, you know, her, her entire world has been post-apocalyptic and war torn and seeing, you know, seeing everyone around her dying. the It was such a,
01:02:54
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It was such a great way, you know, like those two characters were so vastly different from one another, yet they found a way to connect by the end of that episode. And yeah I was really hoping that we would see those characters again from that planet, but and it was it was never meant to be, but I thought that was such a great moment for Neil. Right. And yes.
01:03:15
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And then KB, you know, I loved how the whole thing about KB was, you know, she, she has all this wonderful technology and, you know, these augments that help her, you know, be, you know, they, they, you know, she's more intelligent. She's able to calculate things that a normal human being wouldn't calculate. You know, she's kind of, she's part human, part droid.
01:03:39
Speaker
But I love how, and I can't remember the episode number is the one after the, it was maybe episode six, I think. Yeah. It was, you know, after yeah they made it to the spa planet it and they escape and then they're left to their own. And just like the fact that, you know, she essentially, they, they painted her as, you know, someone with a disability who, despite everything she was able to overcome her disability and be the hero. Mm hmm. Absolutely. Did they ever explain why she was augmented? I can't I don't think they did. I don't believe so either. I think it's just one of those, you know, just accept it for what it is moment. Yeah. Kind of like with Geordi La Forge in in Star Trek. They they always just said he was born blind. You know, that's kind of what KB's thing thing on her face reminded me. I was the Star Wars version of the visor.
01:04:34
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Very much. um you And I'm sure that was in, that was not unintentional. but Sure. I'm sure. I'm sure. But yeah, I mean, she was a, and what I liked about KB also is that she was very grounded kind of in down to earth and she kind of had a rain fern in a little bit. Kind of had to be like the moral piece of her cause fern was that more out, you know, I'm kind of swashbuckling. I want to be, I want to be a leader, you know,
01:05:00
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She just kind of put things, different things into perspective for Fern to slow her down to some degree, you know? But I mean, kind of speaking of Fern, I really like like her character. I like how she's this kind of like this kind of tomboyish kind of like, she wants a little bit of danger. She's she's like the equivalent of whim, you know, and where, you know, they both want adventure. They both want excitement. She doesn't necessarily want to leave at Aten per se, but she she gets she gets really into danger and things like that.
01:05:29
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And then she decides, oh, well, when they go on this adventure, all I know best, I'm going to be in charge. And that's the way it's going to be. And then she kind of her ego gets kind of stamped out when she there are a lot of different issues that come up during the mission. She even says to women, I i think she regrets even wanting to be the captain.
01:05:47
Speaker
You know, if that yes she kind of learns a little bit about herself where she needs to step back in, you can't just always just immediately be in charge of something. You have to earn it. You have to, you have to develop these skills, you know, and, like you know, and the little girl, the young girl who played her i nailed the part. I mean, just, you know, she didn't make her seem.
01:06:07
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yeah She didn't over act it or under act it was just like you could just tell she just knew how to play this kind of vulnerable character and it was and and made it believable that she was actually learning from mistakes that she made.
01:06:20
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Yeah, she she got that she got a double serving of humble pie, right? Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And like I say, KB was there to rein her in, you know, because certainly Neil wasn't strong enough to do it. And when she would just be pretty much against it, when said anything, it would yeah be the opposite. KB was the one who was able to connect with her and and and you know, it worked out. So so I don't I'm still trying to debate. I asked you who your favorite characters were. I don't know who mine was. I'm leaning toward KB. And again, I think it's because of what you said with her in episode six, you know, where she decided to go off with with women instead of Fern because she didn't like the way Fern was kind of leading and in treating everybody and the decisions she was making and just kind of getting to see her being vulnerable and
01:07:09
Speaker
Kind of like getting to know a little bit more about her like Again, I think you're right. They didn't really go into any explanation about why KB was the way she was and that was fine You know, it was just that she just happened to be that character was just a normal part of the Star Wars universe Some people were augmented, you know, and it just goes to show you that we don't need an explanation for every little thing star wars, right? Exactly like, you know ah from the very first movie You know, you, you, you watch the Cantina sequence for the first time and you see this, just this insane gathering of characters and every single one of these aliens is unique. And, you know, how many, you know, how many times you were, you were like, Oh, I wonder what that character story is. I wonder if, you know, I wonder what they did, you know, how they ended up here at this Cantina, right? And that's the beauty of Star Wars is it, you need that.
01:08:05
Speaker
ability to just Be able to imagine and and make your own headcanon around these characters backstories and Yeah, it is I just I think it really captured the essence of Star Wars without Holding yeah us by the hand and explaining every little thing. Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Absolutely Alrighty, so what else would you like to discuss about this special show? What?
01:08:32
Speaker
ah All right, so I know that I, you know, me being the, the lower junkie and being into a lot of the books and, and the, you know, the, the side stories that occur outside, you know, that aren't film and TV series, you know, that are there in print media or print form and and game form, right. I was.
01:08:52
Speaker
I was wondering what in the world is the story behind at, at, you know, what is the great work is, you know, what, what, you know, because until we found out that it was a mint, right? a A Republic mint, my mind was going in all different directions because, you know, having read the high Republic books, they, in the, in that whole series of books,
01:09:16
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everything kicks off because the the chancellor of the republic at the time has a plan for the great works and one of those the very the first the thing that the catalyst for the entire for high republic arc is the first of the great works the starlight beacon it is basically almost like a satellite that was able to read. it But it was a space station that was able to relay messages further into the galaxy like they were able to explore more.
01:09:50
Speaker
And I thought, okay, so the great work, the great works, okay. are you know and And the whole thing, you know with them not knowing about the empire and not knowing about all of that, I was wondering how how much do they know about the galaxy outside? have they really been have Has this you know this planet, has this colony been isolated for 200 years? ah yeah know Do they still think that they're in the high Republic era?
01:10:15
Speaker
And I'm not going to say, I mean, i want I won't say that I was disappointed that it didn't connect because going back to what I said earlier, you know, it was nice that it was a self-contained story. um But, you know, initially my, my mind was going in all kinds of different directions. Like, how is this connected to Star Wars and to what we've seen already? Because.
01:10:35
Speaker
You know, and by the end of it, I'm like, again, I, I think that the way that they handled it, even though it didn't go the way I wanted it to, or was hoping it would, I still think that they, they, you know, the series was exactly what it needed to be.
01:10:53
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. yeah i like it's True. Also you to have the how the treasure was this mint? that I just thought that was a cool way. It wasn't like your typical buried treasure. That's why I just kept thinking there was going to be some sort of buried treasure on the planet.
01:11:10
Speaker
You know, but it was actually I mean, the whole season they showed all they made a big deal about these old Republic credits and what value they had and things like that. So to learn that it was actually that was just I thought was a nice little twist. You know, right. And it's like the it's you know, it's the it's the adventure movie in reverse, right? You know, instead of the the treasure being the MacGuffin, the thing that you're going after, it it ends up being the thing that they have to protect.
01:11:37
Speaker
Exactly. Yes. Absolutely. I love how it flipped the script on on expectations and really, you know, and we'll use a canned the term subverting expectations, right? Yes. Mm hmm. Absolutely.
01:11:50
Speaker
But it worked for the show. It worked so well. Mm hmm. Absolutely. You know, and I kind of going back on what you were saying about. Oh, hang on a second. I just had it in my head. Oh, oh, about the the mysteries of at Atenant. And did they wonder if they were still in the High Republic era? I mean, they didn't really know anything beyond where they were at, because even when the kids got into space for the first time on the ship, they didn't even know what stars were.
Future of 'Skeleton Crew'
01:12:15
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Yeah.
01:12:16
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Because obviously the barrier prevented them from seeing anything outside of their atmosphere, right? Yeah, they had no idea the world around them. There was a galaxy around them. Exactly. All they had were stories. That was it. I mean, you saw it. we So when was looking at the it the the Jedi stories on that lip thing that that he was looking at? They had no clue like what was going on with the Jedi. They were wiped out. I mean, yes, I mean, it just showed how much the barrier truly isolated
01:12:47
Speaker
Them so, and now there were six of these planets, right? Right. Okay. But was at, at like the most important of the six. And that's why they scratched off the the coordinates on that one obelisk or whatever.
01:13:05
Speaker
Well, wasn't it the captain of the pirate ship that? Yes. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, he wanted he didn't want anybody else to go chasing after the treasure. I think that's why he. That's right. or That's right. That's right. I forgot that he was the one who did that. You're right. Yeah. OK. Yeah. All right. Yeah. So he was the one.
01:13:27
Speaker
I mean, obviously at Atten became a pirate legend, right? You know, the planet with never ending treasure with unlimited treasure. That is absolutely a what, you know, like, that is like the pinnacle of pirate legend, right? You know, it becomes the mission of every pirate to try to successfully make it there. Well, you know, obviously we see that that even though someone made it, he didn't get away. He didn't escape. Right.
01:13:54
Speaker
Exactly, exactly. All right. So one question I have for you was obviously there were no there was no ending credits special scene that kind of.
01:14:06
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made us think there was some sort of other mission coming up. But right they showed the flip story that Wim was actually looking at in the beginning of the series. So do you think there's a deeper meaning? like Could we have been watching maybe some sort of, I don't know, like but no maybe not. I was thinking like maybe those tied into JOD somehow and we just don't know it.
01:14:29
Speaker
No, I, I, I don't think we're meant, I don't think we're meant to read into it anymore than you don't think. Okay. No, I think it was meant to be just meant to be a fun kid centric story that takes place in star Wars that captures the essence of the eighties movies that you and I grew up with, you know, uh, you know, mentioned earlier ET goonies explorers, red dawn, you know, stand by me in a way. Right. Mm-hmm.
01:14:57
Speaker
Yeah. All of those movies are very similar in structure. Just, you know, it's all about, it it becomes not about the thing that you're going after. It becomes about the growth of the characters. It's, it's not the destination. It's the journey. Right. Exactly. And the growth that you, that you see these characters exhibit as, as they hurt me as they make their way towards the McGuffin. Right. Right.
01:15:26
Speaker
but i make i do make yeah I thought it was just perfectly done. Absolutely. I'd love to get a season two of this, but any more, you never know. and all So we'll just wait and see. But yeah, I think kudos to the cast and crew. And yeah, i I'm looking forward to this one coming out on Blu-ray, definitely.
01:15:45
Speaker
Yeah, let's hope that they continue doing that because I know they've released several of the Marvel series and Star Wars shows on Blu-ray, which is nice because, you know, it's it's nice to be able to own those things in the event that.
01:16:03
Speaker
you know, Disney Plus goes away, you know, we would lose those things if we don't have them on physical media. So that's that's good. Yeah, I'm really hoping that skeleton crew does get the physical media treatment. Yeah, absolutely. Cool. All right. Well, I think that's about it for us today. I think that's what we had planned to discuss. Yeah, I think we Yeah, as you can tell, we both really, really enjoyed skeleton crew. um I, I would say it's definitely in my I would say it's in my top three of Disney Plus shows. I would agree with you on that. I would say probably Mandalorian is probably top. Then for me, Obi-Wan Kenobi, I loved that. I was drawn to that and I still watch it over and over. And then I would say Skeleton. Honestly, you're one of the few people that I
01:16:51
Speaker
that really loved that show. A lot of people really didn't like it for whatever reason. Absolutely. Yeah, I think I think they were afraid of like continuity errors. But I was I think I was able to kind of in my mind work out how it made sense. yeah You know what I mean? But that's that was one of the big things that I had heard. The complaints about Obi Wan was something that didn't tie into a new hope properly
Closing Remarks and Future Episodes
01:17:12
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or something. So but I loved it. And but I agree with you. I think skeleton crew is definitely up there.
01:17:18
Speaker
I still am blown away by the fact you weren't big into Ahsoka with how much you love that character. Yeah. And maybe I just need to give it another chance. I don't know if at the time, if I was dealing with something and just not acknowledging that I was going through something, but yeah, yeah maybe I need to give it another shot. Absolutely. Yeah. Maybe we could do it together and compare notes.
01:17:40
Speaker
Yeah. Cause we, I mean, we didn't talk about the series the first time when are originally we did not do any kind of recap on it. So, yeah yeah. So if ever you want to do like our retro review of it, we can, we can, I don't know problem with that. Yeah. And that might be something to do before. So cause season two premieres. Absolutely. Absolutely. Cool. All righty there, sir.
01:18:01
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Yeah, hey, that's going to do it for this episode of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. I hope you enjoyed our discussion on Skeleton Crew. Our plan is to have another episode come out some point in February. this Ideally, this one will release right before the end of January, so ah we'll be coming back to you next month. So until that time, may the Force be with you. And live long and prosper.