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CLL #44 - LIfe on Ceti Alpha V
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Episode 44 of Captain’s Logs and Lightsabers is here! Chris and Jonathan discuss several news items from the recent New York Comic-Con like the Starfleet Academy official trailer, the extended preview of a Season 4 episode of Strange New Worlds, Trek’s 60th Anniversary Rose Parade float, Chris’ promotion to captain of the USS Stella Pirata, Jonathan’s recent trip to the Grid in Tron: Ares, and other topics. This discussion leads into a breakdown of the first four episodes of Star Trek: Khan, the first dramatized audio story in Star Trek history.
0:00 Introduction
1:10 Fandom Frontier
8:55 Tron: Ares
16:26 Trek@NYCC
40:30 Star Trek: Khan Episodes 1-5
1:05:20 Wrap-Up & Outro
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Transcript
Introduction to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers
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Captain's log. cons solo I'm Captain of the Millennium Falcon. This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Federation Starship Enterprise.
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channel.
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You're listening to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers.
Meet the Hosts: Jonathan and Chris
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Hey, welcome to episode 44 of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. This is the podcast with Feast of Phantoms that discusses both Star Trek and Star
Recording Challenges and Rescheduling
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Wars. I am Jonathan. I am one of the two hosts of this show. Allow me to introduce my other half, Chris Stow. How's it going?
00:00:52
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I'm doing well. How are you doing? I'm doing great. it's We've wanted to record this episode a couple of times, but... Just kept getting pushed back and pushed back, but we're here. we're We're ready to get started and and then get back into the swing of things with CLL. l So, yeah, I'm excited. i think we've got a good show planned. So we'll start with our typical fandom frontiers.
Toypalooza and Chris's Star Trek Club Promotion
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Speaker
So, Chris, anything exciting in your world since the last time we chatted?
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Oh, not really a whole lot. I went to Toypalooza in the beginning of September, I believe it was, or mid. Got a few little odds and ends, few collectibles, nothing nothing major. But it was kind of weird being where a Steel City Con is at in the Moroville Convention Center and seeing it laid out differently.
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It actually throws you off. Because your your brain gets so used to the way it's all set up in the aisles and everything. Then you got a totally new setup with different people coming in and it literally throws your brain. But that was a lot of fun to go to. And then on September, I believe it was the 27th.
00:01:59
Speaker
So I went with my Star Trek club, the USS Stella Parada, and we went to Fort Necessity and we went with, ah think it was three other ships and in Starfleet International. Oh, wow. Yeah, the USS Catherine Johnson, the USS Ranger, and the USS Renegade. So four of us ships came team together for all of that. And I was a little surprised. I ended up getting an impromptu promotion ceremony. So I got promoted to captain and the captain of our ship stepped down to the XO position that I was in. i am now the captain of the Stella Parada. Oh, wow. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. So, and it all got verified and everything. So the promotion went through at the regional level and it's all good to go. So I'll be this month. I've just been kind of tinkering around a little bit, see what I can do with the role and, and I'll be doing my first official report next month.
Chris's Responsibilities as USS Stella Parada Captain
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Speaker
So what, what exactly does that, do, like, what yeah what are your what are your expectations? What is your role as captain? So basically, I just make sure that the crew stays updated on activities that are going on, trying to organize activities, come up with new ideas, stay in contact with other ships throughout Starfleet International, see if there's anybody that would be willing to go on multi-ship adventures with us basically and we've done a couple of them like but besides fort necessity last year we went with this with every the other two of the three ships we went with this time and we went to the antietam national battlefield in maryland so wow yeah so it's trying to do some of those things it's also trying to network with other ships online maybe in different areas i have a contact of a ship in england that i haven't spoken to him in a while but i'm going to try to reopen all of that now that we're
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I've taken a command to try to see if we can do something online with them.
Upcoming Star Trek Club Plans
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So i's doing all that yeah. And I'll still be making sure that I keep up with everybody to renew their Starfleet international subscriptions, basically. We're speaking of that. I have to do mine in the next ah five days. so i better get move yeah right yeah exactly you don't want to get promoted and then be out of the club. Yeah.
00:04:09
Speaker
You know, so, but that's, that's really about it. And I have to do what's called an MSR report. I have to send in a to the regionals. I have to send a report every month on what the ship has been doing. So it's going to be a bit of a slow month for us this month. Last, this in September, we went to the Renaissance festival in addition to going to Fort necessity. So it was a busier month this month that we kind of took it a little easy and we're hoping to get stuff planned for November. we'll have a little more on that. Yeah.
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so All right. So what's ah what's what's planned for November then? Anything yet? Nothing yet. We're still trying to look. A lot of times we try to take it
Putt Shack: A High-Tech Mini-Golf Experience
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a little slower in November or December but with the holidays coming up. Usually we do a Christmas party in December. So we're hoping to have a big gathering of everybody together. know that we were...
00:04:57
Speaker
Yeah, we're we're looking at maybe some with it getting colder, maybe doing some like more movie events, things like that. Like last year when we went to get, we went to see Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice and Deadpool and Wolverine, a few other movies.
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yeah So that's one of our big ones that seems to draw the most people. We've gone to Pins Mechanical in the south side of Pittsburgh. It's like a big, it's kind of like Dave and Buster's elite. Yeah. Yeah. It's not as expensive. You don't have to like get a card membership or anything. You just get Yeah, you just go in there and they have a lot of free games. They have some like dollar games and then some other games like duck pin bowling. You'd have to pay extra for, but nothing that bad, you know. Have you guys ever done? Have you ever been to Putt Shack?
00:05:38
Speaker
No, haven't done that. Oh, oh, yeah. That's do you know where the terminal is it in the strip district? It's that like five block. building that has all kinds of shops and and restaurants and stuff. Yeah, it's putt shack. So it's indoor mini golf and they have four nine hole courses.
00:05:56
Speaker
Okay. That's a really good idea.
Jonathan's Tron Aries Movie Experience
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Yeah, it's like like the the the balls have RFID chips in them, so it records all your putts. It records like your how many. Because they you get instead of just being about getting the lowest you know par score, you actually have to the the goal is to get the highest score. you know So you get more points the fewer strokes it takes you to get to make the hole.
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You can get bonus points for like hole in And there's all kinds of different ways to score extra points. But if you go on Sundays, it's $25. All you can golf.
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Oh, nice. Yeah. That's not bad at all. Yeah. And they have food. They have like shareables and small plates. They have a full bar. Yeah. It's it's really neat.
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Oh, that sounds like a lot of fun. We've never been miniature golfing as a group. So that would be wonderful. Yeah, I mean, yeah, of course, don't ah you may want to split into two groups, because if you have like more than four golfers, it gets it slows down the pace of the game because they want you to be able to get through the courses in a half an hour or less.
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OK, so try to, you know, if you have a big group, if you have like eight people just split it to two foursomes. OK, sounds good. I will definitely keep that in mind. Yeah, and then every like if you do the unlimited, the all-you-can-golf, the unlimited golf, you basically book, you you go on like through the website and book your next game. like every game you Every game you want
The Tron Franchise: Past and Present
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to play, you just book. So you know if you want to play three games and then take a break for food and drink, you can do that and then book a game later. It's really Oh, cool.
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oh cool That would be nice. i've almost never been to the strip district only once or twice. And that'd be a fun outing. Just this look around and see what's all there. Oh yeah. My goodness. Yeah. yeah It's there's there's a lot there. There's, there's different restaurants and stuff.
00:07:55
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i don't know. There's, there's some shopping to do too. Oh, cool. Awesome. Well, definitely. I'm very interested now. I never, I don't know why I've ever, never thought to go miniature golfing with them. So it'd be a good idea. Yeah.
00:08:07
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Well, there you go. yeah Thank you. yeah Sure. Sure. It's not. Yeah, you're welcome. And I think if you sign up for the rewards program, you can they give you like a free game and you can use that towards unlimited golf because it just takes the cost of one game off of the total cost.
00:08:25
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not Hey, great. So it's like basically I think a single round is 14 bucks. So it takes 14 off of 25 if you do it on on all you can golf day.
00:08:36
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Yes. Sounds good. I can't wait. Definitely going to look into it. Yeah, i'll I'll send you the name of it just in case. I'll send you the website. Oh, that'd be great because I'll probably end up forgetting. I just get a lot of my mind and things to slip. So, but how about you? What have you been doing this geeky over the few weeks?
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Yeah. so yesterday we, Kylie and I saw a couple of movies. We saw Tron Aries. and We saw that at the the waterfront and the Dolby cinema. So it's like, like Dolby vision projector and Dolby Atmos sound. So it's like moving sound. And it's like, you know, like you can, you can feel like the seats rumbling too. It's, it's really wild.
00:09:21
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Wow. Okay. Yeah. I really like, I mean, I've, I've always liked the Tron franchise. I, I loved the first one growing up as a kid.
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Because it was, I mean, was groundbreaking at the time, you know, first movie, like really to incorporate computer generated graphics like that. As rudimentary as it was, it's still, you know, I still like the way I still like watching
Production Insights on Tron Aries
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the movie today.
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But then they did the second one and it was okay. The second was all right. But I did really, actually, i really liked this one. I really think the third one, it's it's not it's not going to be the same, you know, it's not going to be as overtake the first one as far as my preference, but I definitely think it's better than the third or the second one was.
Wolf 359 Fan Project by JTVFX
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And I'm normally not a big fan of Jared Leto, but he was really good in this. He was like, he was like one of the the main characters.
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He was Ares, which... You know, if you see the movie, it's... Have you seen the original Tron or Tron Legacy? I've never seen any of them. Okay. where' okay That's all right. Well, you know what? You have... They're they're both on... The first two are on Disney+, plus and the third one will eventually be... You should check them out sometime if you get a chance. It's...
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It's like, basically the whole idea behind Tron is any computer program that's ever been created is on the grid. It's like a digital world within, you know, it's like, you know, it's like a digital world on the circuit level, but all these programs, like the the programs end up like competing or for the whims of like a villain program. It's, it's, it's kind of weird, but and it's like two rival tech companies,
00:11:02
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Then, you know, are creating programs and they're trying to overtake one and you know one another. They're trying to destroy each other. You know, the one's trying and one's trying to destroy the other and and so on. But it creates a very compelling world inside of computers that then they just, you know, they they kept... building upon that and in the sequels. And it's, you know, it's all the technology that's, you know, advances from 2012. And then all of course, we have all the technology advances now in 2025. And like the world within the computer also advances in technology. It's it's really neat.
00:11:37
Speaker
Oh, that sounds really interesting. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Is it kind of like the Matrix in its own way, like with that digital world and those movies as well? yeah The Matrix is a lot more...
00:11:51
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The Matrix deals a lot more with philosophical topics, I think, and it's a lot more of a thinking, you know, it's very heady. This is very simple, good versus evil, you know.
00:12:02
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But yeah know not only is the human world at stake in Tron Aries, but the ah you know the digital world is also at stake. In Tron Aries, the computer programs actually – so in the first two movies, humans or users go into the grid where the computer programs all live. But in Tron Aries, they flip it.
00:12:26
Speaker
So the the stuff from the digital world comes into the real world. Oh, wow. Okay. Okay. are Now, are there plans to make more after this or is that up in the air?
00:12:37
Speaker
It depends. Like the thing about Tron is every single movie that every single, well, I take that back because there's only been two theatrical films. So the first one bombed at the box office and became a cult classic. The second one bombed at the box office and they both had, you know, like the the second one had a huge budget and i don't think it even came close to making back its budget.
00:12:59
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This one, the third one, was made for a little bit more than the second one, which, you know, for 13 years later, being made for only $10 million dollars more isn't bad, actually. Very slow.
00:13:15
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So, yeah, it was $180 million. I'm hoping it does well enough to at least make a profit this time and you know justify continuing it because they do plant
Star Trek News Updates
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seeds of what could happen.
00:13:27
Speaker
in a future you know movie or they if they whatever direction they decide to take it. They definitely sow the seeds of of of a s sequel. Okay. Very nice. Very nice. So good. So hopefully that'll be continuing on as as more of a franchise. That would be great. Who knows I didn't make a TV series or something or the first streaming. You never know.
00:13:47
Speaker
I mean, I think they had an animated series at one point. Oh, did they? Yeah, I think it was on like Disney Channel or Disney XD, you know, several years ago, probably around the time that the the second movie came out, if I had to guess. oh OK, but yeah, yeah, it'd be nice if they did something on like Disney Plus. But yeah we'll see. We'll see. Who knows? You never know. who knows All right. Oh, one thing I wanted to add real quick to the geeking thing. So.
00:14:13
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I've been watching on YouTube. there is There's a channel called JTVFX. And apparently two years ago, they did some sort of Wolf 359 video that lasted about 10 minutes. was called Wolf 359, The Massacre. And it ties in...
00:14:31
Speaker
the stuff from the next generation from the beginning of the best of both worlds and ties it into all the way to the battle itself. And they even add components from video game from 1996, Star Trek Borg. They kind of incorporate everything.
00:14:45
Speaker
And then they just, they just came out with part two, which was a little bit longer. And I just rewatched it a few hours ago today. And they actually launched it on YouTube as a complete movie. It's about almost an hour long.
00:14:58
Speaker
It is incredible what how they tie all the, what happened into it. They tie the pieces and footage from the next generation and the board thing. And there's make up all these new effects and they, you know, show how the queen was actually on board the ship and how, why she wasn't destroyed when the board ship was as short. It's, it's phenomenal. If you're interested in that, please go to their channel, JTV FX and look up the massacre of Wolf three, five, nine,
00:15:26
Speaker
it's totally worth it. You'll love it. Okay. All right. and So it's, uh, it kind of fills in gaps of, you know, what happened, ah what, you know, uh, Yeah. Yeah. So, okay. That's, yeah. So I take it. It's like a fan project, right?
00:15:42
Speaker
Pretty much. Yeah. And it's not like, and it's really not, you don't see a whole lot of people acting in it It's more like computer generated images, things like that, mostly with the ships. but I mean, it's incredible. They even show when the Klingons actually arrived. to Remember, there was a Klingon fleet that fought there too, not just the Federation. Right.
00:15:59
Speaker
So they put all that together and they show the one Federation starship that survived and even show images of Captain Shaw in there. Cause we remember he was in Picard. he He had said that he was on one of the ships, right? so They even incorporate him into it to some degree. It's, it's it's really cool.
00:16:15
Speaker
Yeah. So anybody out there, you want to see the battle of Wolf three, five, nine, go to that channel, please. You'll love it. All right. JT VFX. Okay. Sounds good. Mm-hmm.
00:16:26
Speaker
Move the ship out of the asteroid field so that we can send a clear transmission. Captain. Incoming message. right. right Well, do you want to talk about a little bit of news that has come across as far you know, we have a lot of Star Trek news to talk about. It seems like.
00:16:44
Speaker
Yeah, definitely. So we know that the New York, New York, New York City Comic Con was this weekend just ended and there was a little bit of Star Trek news. So we got an official trailer for Star Trek, Starfleet Academy, and we found out that going to be released on January fifteen of 20, 2026.
00:17:02
Speaker
And then we also got a I don't want to call it, maybe it's a teaser trailer, but some footage from an upcoming fourth season episode of Star Trek Strange New Worlds. The clip's about five minutes long, and it's just the first glimpse into the following season. And all it said was, is the season four is coming soon. So that could be anything.
00:17:21
Speaker
Yeah, i thought it was interesting that they showed us like a near-complete... I mean, basic basically a five-minute sequence of that's you know complete VFX. Everything is in place. It looks like you know an episode that would air.
00:17:34
Speaker
i wonder what the timeline is for the season to drop, because that means they have not only filmed everything, they have started to apply all the and the visual effects and everything, which, I mean...
00:17:50
Speaker
It looks pretty incredible. Right. I mean, it mean yeah, that by now they're probably getting through the post-production stuff. I think season five already started filming. So that's going on. So I would expect it probably, if anything, either summer or fall of 2026. That's just my prediction.
00:18:08
Speaker
Don't know if it's accurate, but that's what I'm thinking. Because Starfleet Academy will have, what, 10 episodes in season one? And there's nothing else to really fill in that. And if so if they're going to get Strange New Worlds done pretty quickly, why not get it out?
Strange New Worlds Season 4 Teaser
00:18:22
Speaker
Yeah. And they've always seemed to have aired the seasons over the summer, too. So that tracks. Right. It gives it gives fans something to look forward to and enjoy. So look the franchise doesn't go stagnant for a while.
00:18:35
Speaker
So yeah but what did you think of that five minute clip? I mean, i thought it was kind of an interesting... yeah i thought it was interesting how they put us somewhere in the middle of an episode, right? It's yeah it's not the beginning. it It's kind of... i would say that's probably after the...
00:18:55
Speaker
at least after the first or second commercial break that we see a sequence like that. unless Unless that is the cold open for some reason. It may be. It could be the cold open of the episode. Who knows?
00:19:06
Speaker
Absolutely. Now, from just watching it, obviously, because we don't know, we don't really in context know what the heck is going on. We just see this big... yellowish orange anomaly that the enterprise is trying to to fly through and start somehow when they get out their ship starts spinning because it's hit by this filament or whatever and they get sucked into what looks like like a mini black hole kind of the way they made it look in the trailer And then you find that the enterprises, there's obviously from them spinning around, that looks like the ship was trashed on the inside. And they're basically saying that they need to go and get fuel. So Una sent with, was it Erica? And I don't, it might've been Lon. I can't remember, but three of them anywhere going aboard a shuttle town to a planet. And that's pretty much where it ended.
00:19:50
Speaker
So yeah doesn't give much of anything. It just kind of samples what the effects are going to look like. and just the start of maybe a new story. Yeah, it they did there was a line about put ah it that it put them into warp and that the they couldn't figure out the star alignment and they were waiting for the computers to reboot to figure out where they were location-wise. That's true. so Yeah, it wasn't a black hole, but it was...
00:20:15
Speaker
like a warp anomaly or something. Yeah. Something the way it, the, like the lighting looked when they so sucked in, like, did you see it in the trailer when they yeah looked they it looked like they were sucking the light in? That's why I was thinking in some sort of black hole. yeah yeah It was interesting how they did that, but I mean, it looked really
Starfleet Academy Trailer Discussion
00:20:32
Speaker
great. The only thing I didn't like about it was the spinning around.
00:20:36
Speaker
yeah thought A lot of people said that on, on, in the trailer as well, that it in the comments that it went too long. I don't know about you, but since I hit my middle age, I have not been able to do spinning around like i used to be able to do. So watching that going on and on and on, it was kind of like, walking come on. yeah It hasn't affected me yet, but who knows? Yeah. Trust me. I can't do spin around rides on Kennywood at Kennywood anymore. It's terrible.
00:21:06
Speaker
You know, I don't ride a whole lot of spinning rides, though. i mean, most of what i ride is, you know, constant motion. Mm-hmm. Like forward, usually forward motion, not not spinning.
00:21:18
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, wait till you try it in your age now. It'll just be a little different. We'll see. We'll see. Other than that, I thought it looked really good. Now, a lot of people online are saying they're really hoping that this coming season will be a little bit better. I'll be honest with you. I didn't watch season three e Strange New Worlds. I might do it, you know, when I have some extra time, but I've heard a lot of conflicting stuff. Some people thought it was an excellent season. A lot of people said it kind of lost its way. it just seemed like a bunch of silly filler episodes that really for 10 episodes in the season they thought were wastes. So I don't know. Everybody's opinions unique, you know? yeah So, you know, i was pay yeah, I'm not, I wasn't as big a fan of this season. I will say that. So we'll see. We'll see what season four brings. Absolutely. Absolutely. Now, what'd you think of the star Trek star fleet Academy trailer?
00:22:09
Speaker
i thought i thought it was interesting. I thought you know it it really doesn't give us a whole lot of detail on what the storyline of the the season is going to be. i know ah you know we were talking a little bit offline. There was a child being taken away from their mother and somehow perhaps our villain of the series and Paul Giamatti was involved.
00:22:33
Speaker
Yeah. Which, I'm sorry, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Paul Giamatti is going to be a villain in Star Trek, and I i love it. i i'm just I'm geeking out about that just that much. Absolutely. I think it was a cool casting decision, definitely. yeah yeah and And I also really like Holly Hunter, too. So I'm really it i'm really i'm really excited to see... Holly Hunter in Star Trek, you know, Paul Giamatti and not, I mean, that the return of the doctor, you know? Oh yeah, absolutely. It would have been cool if we heard him talk in the, in it, but ah I guess, you know, there's waiting. We're going to, they're going to save that for everybody to enjoy when the show premieres. But I know that there's a character that's going to be,
00:23:16
Speaker
a hologram and it's a, it was a, I believe it was the African American girl in, in the, in the, who's with the doctor or earth she stuck her arm out to like shake a hand. And one of the other cadets kind of bent it back to kind of form like a real handshake. So I'm wondering if she's going to be like, this shows seven to nine where the doctor takes her under his wing and kind of teaches her about like, almost like humanity or what it's like to be alive, essentially, especially since she's only like hours old.
00:23:45
Speaker
So I think that would be cool because Robert Picardo really killed it with those scenes in Voyager. So I think he would be great if we did it again. Saw a little bit of that. Now, the other character I'm really interested in is this Klingon Jem'Hadar female hybrid. I think it's going to be wild.
00:24:01
Speaker
Yeah. Obviously we know that the Gemma dart and we're all genetically engineered and they didn't have females. So now from stuff I've been reading online, I heard somebody say that maybe like, I i don't know if it was like, they were like, I can't even, I can't even imagine if it was like they were genetically created or like they splice genes together. i don't know, but that hurts something about that all online.
00:24:26
Speaker
So, I mean, you know, the the saying in Jurassic Park is life always finds a way, right? exactly ah You know, just because they didn't genetically engineer females does not mean that you know this is how many hundred years ah in the future after deep space nine yes who knows what you know what genetic anomalies were or mutations were created in the gem hadar exactly so i mean it makes logical sense it's not like it's something like like 20 years after the dominion war and it just it wouldn't add up
00:24:59
Speaker
You know, right here. Yeah, you never know. So and I think maybe that's the beauty of it being in the 32nd century is they get to recreate and re reformat a lot of different things because it's a thousand years later. So, I mean, it makes sense.
00:25:11
Speaker
You know, yeah i definitely thought Star Trek Discovery got better when it moved into the future timeline for sure. Yes, absolutely. And I was hesitant about that with the series being in the Discovery era. I thought it would have been more interesting to do something like it in the Picard early 25th century.
00:25:29
Speaker
But they so Alex Kurtzman made some sort of statement in a in an interview, I guess, where he says that frees them up to not have to worry about Canon, but also at the same time, it's a a fresh way to kind of bring in new younger fans and to focus on more today's modern issues. So I'm looking forward to it. I'm actually, it was, it looks really good at this point. Yeah.
00:25:52
Speaker
Yeah. And I like the, you know, there's, that we were, again, we were talking offline about this, how, you know, you kind of said that this, the idea of a Star Trek, Starfleet Academy show has been in the works for years.
00:26:03
Speaker
like 30 some years ago, was it was going to be during that whole timeline of DS9 and Voyager. But, you know, they they moved it into the future, but it's, it does have like some younger characters. So it seems like they're playing up on the romance and seems like, you know a little like a CW show 90210 as it were.
00:26:24
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that's literally I told you offline 30 years ago when they were talking about this as a series, they were Star Trek fans were literally calling it Star Trek 90210. You know, so it's, you know, 90210 was super popular back in those days. So, you know, it made sense that people would compare it to that. So, but you're right. It does feel like a very CW-ish kind of show.
00:26:45
Speaker
i mean, all we can do is wait and see how serious it's going to be. But I mean, we have to understand these are 20 somethings. We remember our college days, you know, we were all busy studying and horny as hell and all that kind of stuff. so I mean, indeed it makes it makes sense, you know, that the show is going to have those qualities.
00:27:03
Speaker
It's more believable that they're college age than, you know, in a a show like 90210 with its more high school students because – I'm sorry. the the The portrayal of sex in most of the high school shows is not accurate. Exactly. Very much so. It should have been awkward as hell. Absolutely. Absolutely. Also, I'm very happy to see that the Klingon character looks like a Klingon. Doesn't look like those Discovery era Klingons. You know, actually looks pretty decent. So it'll be nice to see what the Klingons have been up to because they have not. They didn't show, to my knowledge, any Klingons in Discovery after they moved into the 32nd century. I don't think they did at all in those last three seasons. Ah, I'm having a hard time recalling, but I don't think so either. Yeah, I don't i think you're right.
00:27:52
Speaker
Yeah, so it'll be cool to see what the Empire has been up to and you know see what this kind of... Is he kind of like a Worf character? Is he a B'Elanna kind of character? Is he just kind of a interesting creation of a Klingon we've never seen before? you know I mean, I definitely got some Worf yeah vibes from him, you know, just with the, the, his, his, that gruff voice that he was using, know, the, it definitely sounded very wharf, but, but you know, that's, that's only a a very small clip of, of the character. So, you know, he's going to have, he's going to have different aspects of his personality too.
00:28:28
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. And I just, I also, like I said, I think it's also going to be interesting to see what the empire has been up to in the last thousand years.
Star Trek's 60th Anniversary Rose Parade Plans
00:28:35
Speaker
Right. You know, so we didn't really hear much of any of that either. So, you know, it's going to be interesting seeing all these little things. And also they're going to be loading the show with past Star Trek Easter eggs that you can see in some of the pictures and in some of the the video stuff that they've put up. Like they're going to talk about Cisco being in the Celestial Temple and you got the James Kirk Hall or whatever, you know, so they are going to throw some nice little stuff in. and We might learn some things about our characters that we've never known before.
00:29:03
Speaker
know I hope so. Yeah, definitely. It's going fascinating. Yeah, I think I think this is probably the new show that I'm most excited about. Agreed. I agree.
00:29:14
Speaker
Mm hmm. So what else what else has been going on in in the world of Star Trek? This is barely scratching the surface, isn't it? So there was there was a mention, i guess it happened two months ago during Star Trek Day. I missed this, but apparently there's going to be a Star Trek 60th anniversary float in the Rose Parade on New Year's Day.
00:29:37
Speaker
And so There was actually a story. i I saw it on Trek movie not too long ago. was about two weeks ago. And they showed a sketch of what the the float's going to look like. And but obviously it says Star Trek 60th anniversary on it. And you're going to see a lot of couple of the characters from the original series. You're going to see a bit of a mock-up of the bridge, the transporter room.
00:29:57
Speaker
things of that nature, but you're also going to see a little bit of a preview of Star Trek, Starfleet Academy on there. On one part of the float, they actually have the ship, the main ship area that's going to be the Academy. And I think, I don't know if it rises up and down or not, but it's there.
00:30:13
Speaker
So you're it's almost a little, it's a little preview of that show going into January. And there's a saying on the front of the float. I can't remember exactly what it said, but it obviously it has something to do with about...
00:30:26
Speaker
diversity and acceptance and everybody working together. So it it ties Star Trek's anniversary all together and everything it's been about. So it, and I think it's going to be 46th, the 46th float.
00:30:40
Speaker
Okay. correctly So it'll be a little bit down the line, but if anybody wants to see Star Trek going back ah into the Rose Parade, that it'll be, ah it'll be worth the watch. Yeah. When was the last time that happened?
00:30:52
Speaker
oh Let's see. So I started researching this for my ah my YouTube channel. I'm trying to remember. There was – well, William Shatner was in the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade in 1968, I believe.
00:31:04
Speaker
it was It wasn't a Star Trek float, but it was just a general just a general float that he was on. And then I believe a year later, he was on af float in the Rose Parade. I think he was – No, no, no. He was on ah ah on one the float one of the floats, but I don't think it was Star Trek related. Then in 1992, there was a company that actually had, was it Hershey's maybe? I can't remember, but there was a float that had the Enterprise D on it. Talking about you know soaring into the future or something with that. There were no actors on it, but they Star Trek got mentioned. Maybe it was Nestle. I think it was Nestle, if I'm thinking correctly. But they had a float.
00:31:44
Speaker
And then there was another one, one year where William Shatner was in, then I think, 97, maybe. He was actually the, what's the name of the the parade the the when he's the leader of the whole parade?
00:31:58
Speaker
Can't remember the time. Grand Marshal. Grand Marshal, yes. Yeah, he was the Grand Marshal of the parade that year. But I don't think there was a Star Trek float it. was just William Shatner was the Grand Marshal. Yeah. So there's a little bit of a Star Trek history with the Rose Parade. But this is definitely going to be probably the biggest thing that they've done that's Star Trek related, which is really nice because you don't see a lot of Star Trek mentioned anymore in in the mainstream world. i mean, I would expect a Star Wars float before Star Trek float
Star Trek and Star Wars Collectibles
00:32:24
Speaker
at this point. Yeah.
00:32:25
Speaker
Yeah, but who yeah I mean, 2020, 2026 is going to be, you know, the something different, I guess. huh Absolutely. So it's it's exciting as a great way to start out the new year and to celebrate Star Trek 60th anniversary next year.
00:32:41
Speaker
Yeah. I guess, yeah, um I might actually watch the the Rose Parade this year. Who knows? Absolutely. Same here. But what else is that usually on New Year's Day? What's that? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Sleep in. That's about it. Exactly. It's the last day of the holiday season. Wow.
00:32:59
Speaker
Absolutely. But other than that, I think pretty much that was ah lot of the main Star Trek news that's come out. I can't really think of anything else. Well, we we did get confirmation that Lego has acquired the Star Trek license after it being with, i don't even remember the last brick-like company that had the license but it's you know i i know i'm excited for there to be a lego star trek enterprise d that's just going to be he that's incredible i'm i'm i'm so happy that the uh the star trek license is is home with lego and yes yeah i i think that we're going to hear the set coming out around the holiday season so i wouldn't i wouldn't be surprised if it launches on like black friday
00:33:49
Speaker
That's really cool. You know, I'm sorry. I actually forgot about the Lego thing. You're right. Oh, yeah. yeah But, oh, it was I think Creo was the last one that had the license. Because I have the Enterprise from the from the Kelvin timeline in my collection. Okay. I think they were the last ones. But, yeah, I don't think anybody's ever. Yeah. Go ahead. It like there was one in between Lego and them. there's there the The last license holder was Blue Bricks.
00:34:14
Speaker
Oh, okay. I didn't know that. And I never even heard of blue bricks prior to that. So there you go. There you go. Okay. So, but yeah, you're right now. It's coming home to Lego and I'm sure it's going to be an amazing sets based on what I've seen with all the star Wars sets over the years. One thing I'm worried about, I don't know how much it's going to be. What do you, you know what the post might be? It depends on the number of pieces, but I would say it's probably going to be,
00:34:46
Speaker
I wouldn't be surprised if it's close to 300. Holy cow. okay Okay. That's not even the most expensive Lego sets ever created. There are some that are eight, $900. It's ridiculous.
00:35:00
Speaker
All right. So what are we going to do to convince our wives for each of us to get it? I mean, is my wife's going to be like, hell no.
00:35:11
Speaker
I don't know. i don't. let's Let's see how much it is first and then and I'll come up with yeah justification why i why I need to have it.
00:35:22
Speaker
You got review it for this show. Oh, yeah, for sure. that doing Yeah, well, that'll be the excuse to get it. there Yeah, there we go. We've got to do it for a professional review. We've got to have a copy.
00:35:36
Speaker
Sure. We'll go with that. i don't know how to work. but Probably not. But at least I know on my end it won't. it's a dream. For sure.
00:35:47
Speaker
So, yeah.
Mandalorian Teaser and Sigourney Weaver Speculation
00:35:48
Speaker
i Okay. I don't think there's really been much else exciting in the world of Star Trek news. Star Wars side of things, we did get a trailer for Mandalorian and Grogu. And did you get a chance to watch that?
00:36:01
Speaker
Yes, I did. Yep. That was another one I watched right before the show today. Yeah. I mean, it's certainly, it's meant, I mean, it's just a teaser trailer. So, you know, we don't get any story elements or anything like that, that we can really predict the the story of the the episode. We get, you know, we get some scenes with Mando. We get some scenes with, you know, Grogu, who has seemingly really developed some force abilities and is really kind of coming into his own,
00:36:29
Speaker
Like, ah he's not going to just be the the cute defenseless kid, you know, who only occasionally uses the force, you know, when when when the when Mando is completely backed up against the wall, you know.
00:36:42
Speaker
yeah It seems like he's going to be much more active and much more in tune with his Force abilities. at least yeah it seems like he's going to be you know an equal partner with Mando versus Mando always having to protect him.
00:36:56
Speaker
Right. Absolutely. Also, I'm really curious to see how Sigourney Weaver plays, what her role is going to be in the movie. Yeah, in the trailer, all they really showed, she was sitting at a table at what looked like a bar or a restaurant, and Grogu was trying to bring, i guess, a plate of food over to him, and she stopped him. Yep. That's really all that we got from it. And the other thing I'm interested in is there was that Hutt character. I believe that's Jabba's son, Rhoda?
00:37:21
Speaker
Yes, that is supposed to be Rhoda the Hutt. And the the popular rumor is that it's going to be voiced by Jeremy Allen White, who is probably most famous for the show The Bear, which...
00:37:33
Speaker
ah Phenomenal, phenomenal show. If you have, it should be on Disney Plus through FX. or No, it's like through Disney Plus and Hulu. So yeah, yeah, you should be able to watch The Bear. It's it's a fantastic show, but it's very, very, very harsh language. But the the actors are top notch.
00:37:54
Speaker
I highly recommend that show. Yeah. Very nice. Very nice. I'll add it to my list of things I got to watch and check out. There's like four seasons, I think, so far, but there there's six or eight episodes.
00:38:05
Speaker
But the they always have tons of guest stars, like people you'll recognize, too. Like Jamie Lee Curtis is guest starred on several episodes. Oh, nice. Okay. Cool.
00:38:17
Speaker
Definitely sounds like it'll be worth a shot to watch. Definitely. With winter coming, it'll be a good thing to binge. Yeah. Yeah. yeah have you Have you gotten a smart TV or anything like that to to be able to watch?
00:38:28
Speaker
I do. Yep. Oh, all right. Because I know for the longest time you were watching just on your computer. Yeah, I actually have had my smart TV this month for a year.
00:38:39
Speaker
Oh, fantastic. Yeah. So definitely add the bear to your
Stephen Colbert Joins Starfleet Academy
00:38:42
Speaker
list. Okay. Definitely will. Definitely will. Oh, just as a side note, I want to swing back to Starfleet Academy for a second. There was a news today. So apparently Stephen Colbert has just been signed yes in a role. Yeah. It was just today that it was announced. And yeah I guess he's going to be like the voice of the computer of The ship or or the Academy or whatever. Computer or like the, like the person, like the announcer is almost is what he had said, I think in the clip.
00:39:09
Speaker
Yeah. Something like that. Which was interesting. It's an, and I mean, I, I happen to like Stephen Colbert. I know he's gotten a lot of attention or negative attention lately, but I like him. I think he's funny. Mm hmm.
00:39:24
Speaker
I love his satire. I think is he's just so good at dry satire. boom yeah yeah i haven't I've never watched an episode of his show, but I haven't watched any of any late night shows in 20 years. So i never i mean I've never really seen them and just except for clips. So I'll take your word for it because I don't have any.
00:39:44
Speaker
Oh, I don't watch full episodes either. I only ever catch clips on like social media. Yeah. I got you. But I mean, hey, you know what? I did read that he's apparently a big Trekkie. So, you know, for him, this is a big deal. So, I mean, we can't but can't fault him for being excited about it.
00:40:01
Speaker
No, definitely not. Regardless of what you think of him or his... jokes or or whatever yeah it's good to see the guy getting something yeah know getting to do something he's he's love for his whole life getting nerd out absolutely i agree with you so i just wanted to throw that in before we forgot that's all that's right i i completely forgot about that i had seen the the announcement from him and then just completely forgot it existed absolutely well now it's in we're good to go don't get technical with me watch it
00:40:33
Speaker
It is the beginning of wisdom of Amaris, not the end. A Jedi uses their force for knowledge
Introduction to Star Trek Khan Audio Podcast
00:40:40
Speaker
and defense. All right. Well, I think that's all the news for the next part of our discussion. You and I have both been really enjoying a different type of Star Trek project, something that this is really the first thing like it, correct?
00:40:57
Speaker
ah Absolutely. They have never had an audio podcast of Star Trek ever. Yeah. So if you hadn't guessed, if you haven't been keeping up with it or watching it, but we are talking about Star Trek Con. So at the at the time of this recording, five episodes have been released. They come out every Monday. It's it's on YouTube. It's on podcast feeds. you know it's It's basically anywhere you can get audio like that, and it's free.
00:41:24
Speaker
But yeah, it so... Chris, why don't you give us a little bit of a synopsis of what the what Star Trek Khan is and what it it's attempting to what, you know, what two things it's trying to connect.
00:41:36
Speaker
Right. So basically what it's trying to do is tell the story of Khan on after his exile from the Enterprise on SETI Alpha 5. So now they've covered this in a comic book series a few years ago through IDW. And before that, it was the third book in a trilogy of books written by Greg Cox. The first two were about the eugenics wars and the third one was called terrain in hell and then and dealt with but the situation. So basically what it does is there's a framing story. So there's a character named Dr. Rosalind Lear who is trying to figure out,
00:42:10
Speaker
what happened with Khan and his people in the history of the colony. And she's trying to see if Khan was really this bad, horrible villain that basically Kirk and his crew had made him out to be after what happened in star Trek too. And so apparently she also has this mysterious person that has only been mentioned twice. That's feeding her some sort of information about the colony or about the history And she's trying to make Kirk out to be this bad guy who she feels possibly left him on SETI Alpha 5 on purpose, knowing that SETI Alpha 6 was going to explode.
00:42:43
Speaker
So she's in this tribunal in the first episode, and Captain Sulu from the Excelsior comes on and finally agrees to take her to SETI Alpha 5. She goes down there with Ensign Tuvok. We know that Tuvok served with Sulu. And she achieved Marla MacGyver's tapes and history. And so what she's doing throughout these episodes is trying to put them in chronological order to kind of look at Khan as not some sort of tyrant, but some peaceful, benevolent kind of ruler who really valued his people. And so the rest of the show takes base is basically in flashback.
00:43:19
Speaker
So we we find out that they're left on SETI Alpha five and we find some interesting stuff out. So the colonies got the cargo carriers, which we see is Star Trek two, but they also set up a medical lab. They have temporary shelters that they're going to work on building. And they're actually right next to a sea, a freshwater sea, essentially, so they could get Freshwater and, you know, food, essentially. And we also learn that Marla MacGyver's is a little different than what we saw in Space Seed.
00:43:51
Speaker
And she's she's more sure of herself and she doesn't want to just be known as Khan's woman. She wants to earn the respect of the colonists, which through these first five episodes she slowly started doing.
00:44:03
Speaker
And which ultimately culminates in right now, her getting married to Khan in episode but like four. And it's been leading up as of now, we have just gotten to the part where SETI Alpha 6 exploded and that we're kind of seeing the first effects of what that's going to be.
00:44:21
Speaker
But in the process, we learned some things about the augments, such as the people who created the augments on Earth in the 90s made the female sterile. They extracted all of their eggs.
00:44:34
Speaker
Now the male and males they left in in intact in the event that they needed needed more augments or whatever in the future. But there is they did bring a bunch of embryos with them, which one of the the doctors actually is impregnated with. So they're looking forward to the first augment child that's actually born outside of captivity.
00:44:54
Speaker
There are also a lot of adolescents that were with them on the Botany Bay, which we did. They never mentioned in, so in space seed. So we find out that Joachim from star Trek two is actually the son of Joaquin who was yeah. From space seat, his right-hand man.
Khan's Colony Challenges on SETI Alpha 5
00:45:10
Speaker
And we find out that he's also only half augment. yeah I guess he was in love with some woman named Talia and they ended up having him. And Talia, I guess, left or or whatever, which actually we find out hurt Joaquin pretty deeply. And unfortunately, Joaquin gets killed early on in, in i think it was in episode two, he gets killed. I thought he was going to be in the colony a lot more but but in this story, but they wiped him out pretty quick.
00:45:37
Speaker
So we've got... you know, we've got the regular augments, we've got a baby and some embryos. We have these adolescents and we find out that not all of the augments for soldiers. There's a character named Richter who's about 16 and he's in love with a, another augment girl named Silvana.
00:45:55
Speaker
And he's an artist. So he brought a lot of pictures of the flora and the fauna, things that they they find on their first adventure out into the jungle to kind of catalog the wildlife and what's going on. and And that actually helps bond him with Marla because we know she's a painter from Space Seed. And she kind of talks a lot about that, which kind of forms a bond with with him. And we also start to see where the Seti eels came from.
00:46:25
Speaker
We also learned about a little bit more about some of the SETI Alpha 5 wildlife, such as, well, the boars. There were a bunch of boars. Even the little babies had tusks they commented on. And one of them actually kills Joaquin. That's how he ended up dying.
00:46:41
Speaker
And the first for the first four months or so that they were in the colony, they lost at least three people to the SETI eels. Richter was the first one. And we learned that they don't the the eels don't just...
00:46:54
Speaker
make people susceptible to suggestion, it also causes them to hallucinate. And we find out that's because they release a low-level toxin in the cerebral cortex that causes the hallucinations and that ability to be susceptible to suggestion.
00:47:08
Speaker
And they're definitely susceptible to suggestion because I don't know if you remember, but in episode three, when Kahn went after Richter, they They found some sort of wildlife or whatever, and it scared Richter, and he climbed a tree. And Codd said, come down here now. He goes, yes, Conn.
00:47:24
Speaker
But instead of climbing down, he literally just jumped out of the tree you know and and broke his ankle. you know So it was like it it was just – and he even said to Richter, why did you follow such a crazy command?
00:47:36
Speaker
He said, because you told me. So we're we're learning a little bit more about the eels, which is really interesting. We also find out that there are male and female eels. that in In episode four, they were saying in the in the medical bay that they thought they were just, they just, was that asexual? Were they just, yeah. So, but they find out that it's so kind of like, almost like the Borg. There's a big queen and all the males are drones and their job basically is to protect the queen and impregnate the the queen.
00:48:06
Speaker
so And there's also, they live there's like a big network underground tunnels that the eels do. And they actually went and napalmed the the nest, you know, and and they were able to kill the the queen. But of course, it was Marla who killed them with with a phaser.
00:48:23
Speaker
So it's it's been really interesting. Now, the fifth episode so far... That's when SETI Alpha 6 explodes and it caused an alien ship to actually crash on the planet. And I guess the con and his people were basically feeling like we have to go to war with them. We have to protect what' what's ours. And they were hoping to salvage whatever technology was on the ship. But I guess these cre these aliens were some sort of telepaths who were kind of playing in havoc with Khan in his mind at some point, but they also somehow show Khan about underground water and and things of that nature that'll help keep the colony alive after they leave and after the planet starts to go to waste.
00:49:06
Speaker
So we've it's been some very interesting stuff that's come in in the first five episodes. What have you been thinking? I mean, i i I love how they are...
00:49:19
Speaker
really starting to you know turn City Alpha 5 into the hellscape that Khan talks about in in in the in Star Trek 2.
00:49:31
Speaker
yeah at first it seems idyllic and then Joaquin dies and then you just yeah you have the eels and you you just see things really starting to take a turn. And I think it's really going to kick into high gear. I mean, we only have, what, four episodes left and SETI Alpha 6 just exploded, which, you know, that's going to have some sort of long term repercussions on the rest of the planets in the system.
Khan's Leadership Dynamics and Downfall
00:49:56
Speaker
Because if you know, if one goes, ah if if you know, if one planet is destroyed, it it it probably messes with the entire gravity of the system.
00:50:04
Speaker
Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. And obviously, SETI Alpha 5 will get the biggest brunt of it because it was the closest planet. Right. To, set you know, number six. So it was interesting when the planet exploded, they didn't, the planets start didn't start really getting affected yet. They had some meteor showers, little bit of meteor showers, but you didn't see anything yet. So I'm thinking in the episode that number six, that premieres tomorrow as of this recording, and we're going to start to see the environmental factors and what they we after sure survive. Absolutely. You know, i just, I think that the one thing that,
00:50:37
Speaker
you know When I was listening to episode five, after listening to the whole show so far, I feel really bad for this colony of people. right They were in four – if you look at the chronology of the show, by in episode four, they jumped from like a month and a half, two months there to a couple months later for four months. They won 19. It was listed as – And they planted six fields of crops. All their temporary shelters are up. They got them sealed with that silica they made from the the sea creatures. So that way the eels don't come in. that It's fenced. It's fortified. i mean, they really had...
00:51:14
Speaker
a great colony going for them and you can see how much khan loved his people there was a point in and i think it was episode three maybe or maybe the beginning of four where khan it's not that they love khan or ah you know khan khan serves them and con khan sees himself as their servant essentially even though he's a leader and he will go to whatever lengths to save his people you know and it's So we're seeing a side of Khan that's kind of like the gentle kind of Khan. He even said in an episode two that he doesn't want to be known for all the things and the atrocities that happened on Earth. He wants to focus on building this new empire and and having a nice piece of history with his name on it, essentially.
00:51:54
Speaker
you know right And then we're going to see it all go up in flames only six months in. you know yeah so yeah i don't know. it was just It's weird kind of feeling bad for them, you know knowing what they're capable of.
00:52:06
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. it's it's It's going to be, I mean, it's a tragedy. It's being painted as as a tragedy. And i wonder, you know, what is it going to be that triggers Khan's descent is into madness? Is it going to be losing, you know, ah the vast majority of his colony members? You know, because by the time of Star Trek II, how many of them are still alive?
00:52:30
Speaker
Yeah, that and how many of them were originally on the Botany Bay? How many of them? Because a lot of them seem like younger, you know. So how many of them were born there? How many of them were, you know, some of the embryos they brought with them? You know, who knows?
00:52:44
Speaker
Now, how many years is it supposed to be in between Space Seed and the Wrath of Khan? It's supposed to be 15 years. Okay. Okay.
00:52:56
Speaker
and've And as of this episode, they've been on SETI Alpha 5 for just a few months, it's six months. Six months, yes. I mean, there's a lot that can happen in 14 and a half years.
00:53:09
Speaker
Absolutely. And I'll be honest with you. Out of all five episodes done so far, five was my least favorite. I think it was great to see the SETI Alpha 6 explosion piece that went down, but I didn't think that it was necessary to have the aliens and who just miraculously taught told Khan where to go find water.
00:53:28
Speaker
and You know, that kind of stuff. See, it would have been more interesting to me if Khan and his people found these underground springs or rivers or whatever or lakes. Yeah.
00:53:39
Speaker
You know, rather than just, oh, we're going to just force it in by just, we'll just say it's the same time we're going to have like the confound out from a telepathic species. You know, so I don't know. What do what do you think?
00:53:50
Speaker
i ah Yeah, that's it's an interesting choice. I don't know where they're going to go with it or if they'll we be able to just stick the landing or, you know, I i have no idea where it's going.
00:54:03
Speaker
But yeah, I wonder what the timeline is going to be on the next four episodes. If we're going to see some rapid, like some, some very quick time jumps, you know, with, with, you know kind of how Andor, you know, watching Andor, it jumped in time a good bit.
00:54:18
Speaker
Yes. Yeah, well, with only four episodes left, that's what they're going to have to do. Now, see, I thought that maybe there was going to be some sort of battle or something between Khan and maybe a little group of them that separates off, because we see Ivan is a little bit...
00:54:33
Speaker
out of his mind some degree killed hugo in that first episode for defying con in the second episode he was very reckless and went and they shot the boar to eat and that but he didn't want that to be just it he went and took a sword and actually killed the beast himself in and and i you know so he's very unpredictable he does not like marla in any way he referred to marla as con's bitch You know, I mean, so who knows? Maybe he's the one who introduces the city. You know, Marla, because we know that's how she dies because Khan said it.
00:55:06
Speaker
Right. you know So, I mean, who knows? I remember in the terrain in hell book. that Greg Cox had written there. I believe there was a character named Erickson who seems very much like Ivan in this series. And he ended up splintering off and he, and the the splinter group actually are the ones who put the eel, forced the eel into Marla to try to kill Khan. But she ended up killing herself to keep that from happening.
00:55:32
Speaker
And then there was this big ultimate battle at this hot water spring that they found years earlier, where a lot of cons colonists were killed in this battle. you know So I'm wondering if they're going to have a battle with Ivan and anybody you know to end this. But I mean, they only have four episodes, so they better get moving here on what they're going do.
00:55:52
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Right. I mean, it's certainly possible because you know when a lot of the star ah Star Wars content that's come out that has utilized... characters or events or ideas from legends, they always, they incorporate into the new stuff, but then they tweak the story or they tweak the characters a little bit, almost similar to what's happening here with Khan. Maybe, maybe you're onto something with, you know, with Ivan being the representation of that character from Cox's novel.
00:56:20
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Right. Absolutely. I can't imagine they're going to go four episodes without with them just being miserable on the
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00:56:26
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planet. There's got to be some sort of something. You know what mean? You know, so I don't know. We'll see. But i don't know. I've really been enjoying it. i I can't wait. Like when on Mondays when I'm at work. It's one of the things first things I do in the morning before my first client comes in is I listen to this. Now, what's interesting is when you when you listen to it, you can you can listen to it on these podcast channels and stuff, but if you listen to them on the podcast channels, there are ads that a lot of times pop up. If you wait a couple hours until after like 12 or 1 Eastern Standard Time and it comes on the Star Trek channel on YouTube, you can listen to it and there's no commercial interruption.
00:57:04
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Yeah, okay, okay. I mean... Listening to the podcast version, even with the ads for me, it it's, it's good because then it it it is what I do. you know, it's how I, up I usually listen to it on my way to work. And if, you know, if I don't finish it, then that that kind of, you know I usually bring my headphones with me to work and we'll finish it. So, cause I, I don't,
00:57:29
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necessarily if if i I am not a YouTube person if I if that I'm just it is not something that I often go to for content so I probably would forget that it's there so if I don't if I don't subscribe to the podcast feed I you know I I'm okay with the ads is ultimately what I'm saying I guess Oh, that's cool. Hey, you teach their own, you know? So, I mean, it's good that there are two options.
00:57:54
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Yes. Either way. So, yeah. I mean, they got to make money somehow, right? Exactly. Exactly. So, I mean, going into episode six, here's basically where we're at. Khan and Marla are married. They're expecting a baby.
00:58:08
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Sedi Alpha 6 explodes. And the colony for the first time is really going to be... you know, they're going to be fighting for survival. And they know that after this planet blue, that it's going to, it's going to destroy city alpha five. I mean, they're smart enough as audience to know all of this, you know? So they were talking about possibly moving the colony underground into caves. So will they find caves? Maybe, maybe not, but at least, but they know now because of these telepathic aliens, that there are underground water sources. So,
00:58:38
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you know What are they going to do? Are they going to move the whole colony? or I know in the the Greg Cox book, they actually moved the cargo carriers over a bunch of caves. So they had the cargo carriers and there was a door underneath the floor that led into the caves that they were in, which actually belonged to some sort of wild SETI Alpha 5, like saber-toothed cat or something in the books. so But it sounds similar that they're going to move the the cargo pods to these caves.
00:59:04
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you know, cave areas where they know where the the water and everything's going to be. So, you know, we'll just, and we're going to start to see all the meteor showers coming. We're going to start seeing the deserts forming, the water drying up and the life forms die.
00:59:17
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Yeah. What kind of struggle this is going to be. And you're right. The key is going to be, what is it that finally makes con turn mad? I was just thinking about this. it I mean, i can't imagine that Marla, i mean, we know Marla dies, but what if it's Marla? I mean,
00:59:35
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Marla dying with their unborn child could be the final thing that breaks him. That's what I was thinking too. It adds more depth and layer to his anger in Star Trek too, and why he wants to kill Kirk so badly. i mean, losing a wife that you is beloved is one thing, but to also lose your child on top of it, you know, that would drive anybody crazy, even in the best of conditions.
01:00:00
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Yeah. I think that's going to be, I think that's going to be the major factor. Yes. And we know that they're going to lose at least 17 more people to the, to the eels. So there are three who have died so far. Marla's one, and then that'll be 16 more. So, you know, it's going to be interesting to see which characters make it through who dies, you know, right now the sky's the limit. I think, you know, a lot of the stuff that's been in these episodes, I wasn't expecting, you know, so it's going to be cool to see what kind of surprises are coming in the next four episodes. Yeah.
01:00:31
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Yeah, for sure. i i really like it so far. What do you think of the overall? What do you think of the voice cast? Oh, they're amazing. Absolutely amazing. i mean, they they they've nailed it. It's kind of hard to when I watch or listen to them to picture them as Ricardo Maltabon and Madeline Rue. I'm so used to look thinking of the people who are actually doing the voices now.
01:00:54
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You know, but I mean, they're doing a wonderful job. The actress who's doing Marla is is really bringing a powerful depth to the character that was never there before. If you think about it in Spacey, she just seemed unhappy on the Enterprise. And just, you know, i think she was swept up, you know, by the romance of Khan and things like that. They made her seem like a 60s kind of woman who was like fueled by her emotions. You know what i mean? Yeah.
01:01:20
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This is actually showing a lot more depth to her. Like at first she cut herself off pretty much from the colony. I mean, she was living in a cargo pod. Plus she kept the communicator and the phaser secret from Khan.
01:01:32
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You know, i mean, we finally got a little bit of an explanation for that after she showed the phaser to Khan. And when she killed the SETI eel, she said that it's because of Starfleet training. We don't, we keep this stuff hidden for people who have never seen it or, you know, never developed it. You know, and so that was that was kind of interesting in itself. Another part I thought was really interesting about the the communicator part was that Kahn basically destroyed their only way off of SETI Alpha 5.
01:01:58
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If you think about it, that was the only communication device they had. Yeah. I listened to episode one and he crunched that communicator. I'm like, you idiot. You could have saved that thing in the event of an emergency and maybe a passing ship would have gone through.
01:02:14
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You never know. But yeah, so that was just a side note. But yeah, i I really like the development of Marla and what she's been doing with each of the character, the the colony members to try to earn her place. Like with Ursula, the the one doctor. Yeah. Or was it Madoe? Either one. But anyway, I think it was Ursula. But it was Marla who actually put herself at risk to go and find a sample of the SETI eel for them to dissect back in their medical bay.
01:02:40
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You know, so that kind of made her endeared, I guess, to to them and finally working to accept her more than just Khan's woman. you know, and she's been joining them at the fire. She's been telling them stories. She did the Scheherazade story. So she's been entertaining them. Con's trusted her enough that she started to live with him and she started going to council meetings, you know, very big character development with her that I was not expecting based off of the way she was in the episode.
01:03:08
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I mean, she was the, the, the female guest star of the episode, which, you know, the, the, she never would have i mean She never would have gotten this kind of development unless she had appeared in multiple episodes of the show. Yeah, exactly. but ah Even then, but they made her, the the way she was portrayed in the episode, she just seemed kind of like indecisive and ruled by her heart and stuff like that.
01:03:34
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but the depth that she's gotten in these episodes is unreal. Even to the point where she said to Khan, me coming here is not the imprisonment. Being on the Enterprise is what was the actual imprisonment for her. Mm-hmm. She had no role, even though she was a historian and trained Starfleet officer. She basically just left her quarters to do her duties, shower and go to the gym.
01:03:54
Speaker
And that was it. She felt never like she was never really a part of anything. Right. You know, which was i when I heard I was like, whoa, that's a really interesting spin on her character. Is it believable? I mean, do you feel it's?
01:04:07
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Yes. okay I mean, even can feel it. and If you remember watching Space Seed, Kirk barely even knew her name. He would call her. He kept calling her McGivers. Yeah, I mean, he she he she felt she really seemed to have no role on the ship. I mean, really, if you think of it, a ship's historian who's like she knows about Earth history. How much is that really going to be useful going out into space where it never happened? You know what mean? So, i mean, she was lucky that she got to go on that mission to the Botany Bay. gave her something to do you know. but so yeah. So.
01:04:41
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it really, it fleshed her, her character out a lot more. And I just think it's been fascinating. And I think it's going to make it even a lot harder when we get to the point where Marla ends up dying from the eel. I think it's just going to, it's going to be more heart wrenching this time.
01:04:54
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. um Yeah, so we I'm sure by the time that we record next, all four up all four remaining episodes will be available, and we can we can all you know break down how it ended and and see if any of our predictions came true or you know what what we you know if we if we feel that they nailed the landing.
01:05:16
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who Absolutely. Yeah, I can't wait to review the last of the series with you. Yeah. So I think that'll, like I said, probably by the time we record again, the last four episodes will be available. So we'll pick up this discussion on episode 45, I guess. Absolutely.
01:05:33
Speaker
All right. What do you say we, yeah we call it a night after after that? It's, it's, we've been going a little over an hour, so okay yeah, let's, let's table this until the next, the conclusion of the series. And We'll figure out what else we want to talk about and go from there. We'll let you know. We'll let you know when we're recording the episode. That's that's how you'll know what's coming up next. Absolutely. All right. So for episode 44 of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers, is, I've been Jonathan, my co-host Chris.
01:06:09
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May the force be with you. And let water prosper. Good night.