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CLL 46 - SCC, SFA, & Maul
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Chris and Jonathan are back at the mic with a jam-packed episode spanning collectibles, fast food galaxies far, far away, and convention floor adventures. The guys dig into the 2026 Hallmark Keepsake Ornament lineup, debate the merits of Burger King’s latest Star Wars tie-in, and Chris and Jonathan recap Chris’ time at Steel City Con in Monroeville(Pittsburgh-area), PA. Jonathan takes a brief detour through his theater nerd era with a recap of Broadway-adjacent activities and shows, and the hosts squeeze in reactions to the Project Hail Mary adaptation and the buzz around a Super Mario Galaxy movie. Then it’s into the final stretch of Starfleet Academy for a full breakdown of the back half of the season — before closing out with a spoiler-filled reaction to the Darth Maul: Shadow Lord series through the first 8 episodes.
Chapters
0:00 Intro
2:00 Hallmark Keepsake Ornaments 26
11:30 Burger King Star Wars
22:30 Steel City Con Recap
36:00 Project Hail Mary
38:15 Super Mario Galaxy Movie
41:50 And All That Jazz
46:30 Starfleet Academy Final Episodes
1:12:15 Maul Shadow Lord
1:30:00 Outro
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Transcript
Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:00
Speaker
Captain's log. cons solo I'm Captain Millennium Falcon. This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Federation Starship Enterprise.
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Speaker
in on secure channel.
00:00:31
Speaker
You're listening to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. Hey, welcome to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. This is episode 46 of the podcast on Feast of Phantoms that discusses both Star Trek and Star Wars in the same show.
00:00:47
Speaker
My name is Jonathan. i am one of the hosts of this program. I'm going to introduce my co-host, Chris Stow. How's it going, man? I'm doing good, Jonathan. good to talk to you. How have you been?
00:00:58
Speaker
I've been really, really
Episode Agenda and News
00:01:00
Speaker
good. I know we had ah ah much like always, we we we end up making plans to record and then things happen and we don't record as often as we'd like, but here we are for for an episode.
00:01:13
Speaker
We are going to pick up with a few news items. We're going to discuss our thoughts on the final several episodes of Star Trek Starfleet Academy. And then ah we're going to talk Star Wars for a while with the ah with the animated program Star Wars Mall Shadow Lords. So we've got a jam-packed show and I'm excited to to look in, you know, to break in all of this
Star Trek and Star Wars Ornaments Discussion
00:01:40
Speaker
down with you. But first, we'll cover some news items.
00:01:43
Speaker
Move the ship out of the asteroid field so that we can send a clear transmission. Captain, incoming message. Captain, I have the... So, Chris, it is it is about that time of year where we start to learn about the all the wonderful Hallmark ornaments that are going to be available for the holiday season. So what do we have from Star Trek this year?
00:02:08
Speaker
Well, according to the preview of the magazine, you know how they have the dream. It's the dream book is what it's called. Yes, correct. showed a picture of the page of the page. So it looks like the main ornament this year is going to be a re-release of the...
00:02:23
Speaker
Shuttlecraft Galileo from the original series. Now, they originally released that in 1992, and you used to be able to push the button, and then Spock's voice would come on and say something about, Shuttlecraft to Enterprise, Shuttlecraft to Enterprise, Spock here, happy holidays, live long, and prosper.
00:02:39
Speaker
So this updated one is going to still have him being able to say that, but I believe it's also going to have some other sayings or sounds when you click the button. So, yeah. So that's the that looks like that's the main ornament.
00:02:52
Speaker
Then there are kind of what I call two sub ornaments. So they're making one of the USS Cerritos from Star Trek Lower Decks. don't. I don't know if it's going to be the same size as the main ornaments, the ship ornaments that always come out, or if it's going to be a little smaller. I don't know. But I i saw the picture of it. It's very detailed, nice coloring on it. it's It's going to be a nice addition to anybody's tree, especially if they have years of the ship ornaments.
00:03:19
Speaker
They're also doing some sort of what looks like a stainless steel or metal one of the Enterprise G. So if anybody didn't get the Enterprise G last year, which was an exclusive to San Diego Comic-Con, and they like na instead they'll at least have this metallic version of the Enterprise G. The only sad part about it is is that it's all metallic. There are no colors to it.
00:03:42
Speaker
So that's the one downside that people might feel. you know and i'm go I said this last year, and I'm going to say it again. That was a mistake on Hallmark's part, in my opinion, to make the Enterprise-G an exclusive. I think they should have flipped it. I think the Enterprise-G should have been the main ornament because everybody has the the Enterprise ornaments from years past. so you know And then the Titan could have been the special one. Yeah.
00:04:06
Speaker
Hey, whatever. It is it a year ago. It is what it is. Luckily, I was able to get ah one of the Enterprise G ornaments from San Diego Comic-Con. A friend went and was able to bring me one back. Very nice.
00:04:17
Speaker
so I'm lucky there. So those ah those were the main ship ornaments that are supposed to be happening. They don't have any of the little mini ones that they've been doing the last couple of years. I was a little disappointed because last year they had Seven and Nine and Voyager, and those were really nice.
00:04:31
Speaker
Right. So in terms of character ornaments this year, so they're going to be bringing out one of Nurse Chapel from Star Trek Strange New Worlds in her white uniform. So there's that one there. And then I think the last one they're coming out with is...
00:04:48
Speaker
There was a model kit of Spock back in the 1970s from amt And it was a picture of Spock firing at this like three headed like snake. It was all packaging and that's what they're releasing. That's the ornament this year for that.
00:05:04
Speaker
I see. Yeah. So, but beyond that, nothing else. They're not having any those special storytellers or anything like that. It's just, you just very basic this year. i really wish that they weren't re-releasing the shuttlecraft. We've had a couple years where there have been some kind of re-releases where they maybe upgraded a ship they already had.
00:05:25
Speaker
Star Trek's full of ships that haven't been made yet. Yeah. You know, so I mean, if you can imagine Vortra class Klingon ship ornament that lights up on your tree next to the bird of prey and and the Katinga that they released a number of years ago. i mean, that would be great with the Excelsior, you know, or we it just there are a lot of different opportunities. Why keep re-releasing the same stuff, you know, but hey, it'll still be nice. at At least they upgraded it a little bit with some new sound effects.
00:05:55
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, no. Sorry. Go ahead. Oh, no. It's okay. So, yes, i'm I'm sure I'll pick up a few of them. i don't know if I'll get all of them, but at least the ships, I want to at least get the ships. So that'll that'll be something to look forward to for birthday and Christmas time. you Yeah.
00:06:13
Speaker
Now, in terms of the Star Wars ornaments, I don't know if I saw what ornaments they have this year. There's a ton. Oh, they have a big one this year? Big list? Oh, yeah. Yeah. okay Okay.
00:06:25
Speaker
let's see. So the first one actually should already be available, and that's a Razorcrest, which is from the Mandalorian and Grogu movie. It's the Razorcrest with the yellow accents like ah around the cockpit and on the wings, which is the the ship that we see in the show.
00:06:45
Speaker
Yes. Or i mean, in the trailers, rather, for the for the show. in the movie. For the movie, yeah. Looks like... There going to be, oh, wow, this is really cool. So there's there's going to be two ornaments featuring the turrets on the Millennium Falcon, one featuring Luke in the gunner seat and one featuring Han in the gunner seat. Oh, wow.
00:07:11
Speaker
That sounds great. Yeah, there's sound and light. They use that keepsake cord thing. Mm-hmm. There's another light and sound one with Vader in the hallway of the of the rebel ship of the Tantive IV.
00:07:27
Speaker
Okay. From Rogue One. Oh, nice. Okay. You ready? It's it's been 10 years since we saw Rogue One in theaters. Hard to believe, I know. i know.
00:07:37
Speaker
and on that note, it'll also be 10 years since we lost Princess Leia, right? Since Carrie Fisher died. Yeah. December 2016.
00:07:47
Speaker
Yeah, it was like right after the movie came out. Yeah. In like a day or two. Wow. Time really is blowing by, man. I know. Yeah. Oh, there's the continuing series of star Star Wars characters. We've got Luke Skywalker in his black Jedi gear with the green lightsaber from Return to the Jedi. That's going to be the the series ornament for this year.
00:08:11
Speaker
ah There's going to be a B-Wing. from Return of the Jedi as well, a B-Wing fighter. Is it the same size as the ma the ship ornaments they've released over the years? Yes. It is. Good. It is not a mini. No, it's not a mini.
00:08:25
Speaker
Okay. There's going to be a 12-inch tree skirt with the Rebel Alliance logo. Oh, wow. Okay. There's going to be a Grogu ornament with him getting ready to eat one of those, like, macaron cookie things.
00:08:39
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. Okay. and and it looks like there are a couple mini ornaments there's gonna there's a mini there's a mini x-wing a mini red five rebel pilot helmet oh that never mind that's not no that's not a i'm sorry that's a tree topper that's a three inch tree topper okay and then there's going to be a mini millennium falcon ornament o Okay.
00:09:07
Speaker
Now, do they have any, ah sometimes I know they like to make special Christmas ornaments. Like, do they do they have any special Christmas ornament, like, where they're standing in front of a house with Christmas lights on it or anything like that? or So, yes, there is an R2-D2 wearing a Santa hat that are presents at his legs, and he has Christmas lights around his body.
00:09:30
Speaker
ah Nice. Star Wars does those ornaments very, very well. they They really do it's something special and unique that you wouldn't see in the Star Wars movies. that That's awesome. That's great. Wish Star Trek would do that. They don't do that.
00:09:43
Speaker
No, no. i don't I just don't know Star Trek is... i don't know if that stuff would sell or not. I mean, you would think it would. You would think there'd be enough of of our nerd collective to to make it do well, but...
00:09:57
Speaker
Yeah. Unfortunately, it's not. Yeah. All right. So that all the ornaments or there are any more? Yeah, that is everything that is listed for 2026 that isn't already released.
00:10:13
Speaker
Okay. Alrighty. Sounds good. So, Star Trek's getting a little lighter load this year. Star Wars is getting decked out. Can you imagine what next year is going to be for the 50th anniversary Star wars Oh my goodness. Yeah. Yeah. It'll probably be a large collection of ornaments.
Fast Food Tie-ins and Collectibles
00:10:28
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. and they're probably going super special, too. Oh, I'm sure. Can't wait for that one. Definitely. Yeah. Yeah. So... All right, so that's that's the Star Trek and Star Wars ornaments from Hallmark. What's our next topic? We were going to discuss... Oh, oh.
00:10:47
Speaker
It's May. As we're recording this, it's May 3rd. Tomorrow, May 4th. So Burger King is launching their special Mandalorian and Grogu tie-in menu with quite a few themed items. And i from what I was reading and what you you and I were talking about before we started recording...
00:11:07
Speaker
there are going to be four collectible cups that you supposedly can only get by ordering those menu items, like either the the box that contains all the food items, or you can get ah one of two different combos, one featuring the the the themed burger and one featuring the ah the the chicken fries. So...
00:11:29
Speaker
What were we saying? There's ah there's a Grogu cup. There's a Mando cup. There's a Mandalorian with Grogu flying using the rocket pack. And then there's a Zeb Aurelios cup, which you and I were both kind of shocked to to see Zeb getting some love in cup form.
00:11:46
Speaker
Yes, that's the one I'm going to want. it's like It's like when you get the McDonald's Halloween buckets and there's the one of the four that you really want. you know That's, like I think, the cup everybody's going to want.
00:11:57
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. Just because it is so it's so unique. I mean, you know, we don't have him on much merchandise at all. Absolutely. I was surprised that they actually have an action figure of him out yesterday when was at Walmart. I picked up one of the ah the Grogu action figures from the movies from that put called the Actionverse. And there were only three. There's Grogu, there's Mandalorian, and then there's there's Zeb. They actually have a Zeb figure out.
00:12:23
Speaker
Oh, nice. Yeah. So and they're $9.97 at Walmart. So there are a bunch of them, so they're easy to pick up. And is that like a Hasbro toy or yeah like a figure?
00:12:35
Speaker
Yeah, it's just basically, you know, basic action figure like in their line. That's all. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, there's just the three of them. I will say the Mandalorian one I think looks horrible because it kind of looked like they bulked them up, kind of like those old Power of the Force figures from, was it 1993 or whatever? Yeah. That kind of stuff. Yeah. Yeah, those were some, those characters, those those were, they were a choice, that's for sure. Yeah, absolutely. yeah I mean, they look nothing like the characters. No, it's like, yeah, it's like if
00:13:09
Speaker
yeah it's like if the star Wars characters had somehow found themselves on like planet Eternia and had, they all looked like he-man and like man of war and, you know, like a high fantasy, like Conan, the barbarian style. Yeah. Musculature. Yeah.
00:13:25
Speaker
Yep. Absolutely. Now, every time I see that Luke Skywalker with his shirt half open and the muscles and the pecs, I'm going to think of he-man from now on. Thanks for the image. You're welcome. Yeah. glad i can be of service you go so So, yeah, I know. I don't know how the cup rollout is going to work, if it's going to be a random cup that you get or if it's going to be like, you know, week one, we're going to have the Grogu cup week two. They're going to have the Mando cup and so on, you know, until the movie comes out. um don't I don't know.
00:13:59
Speaker
Yes, we'll have to find out when we if you visit your local Burger King. Absolutely. Now, I did when I when I read on Facebook a couple couple days ago, I didn't know. I thought everything was going to be coming out tomorrow, May 4th. Well, they already had the kids meals ready as of last last Monday. I think it was what, the 27th. Yeah. And which surprised me. And it I read online that they were supposed to release the toy one each week.
00:14:27
Speaker
But I got Mandalorian, so I got the very first one. But a friend of mine said his brother got one a different Burger King and got Grogu. So they're probably just mixed kind of cycling them through. you know So i guess it's just a gamble again.
00:14:42
Speaker
you nose it would have been nice if they did it one a week, so that way it'd be easier to kind of keep track. you know But hey, whatever. It's still fun. It's the fun of the game. It's the of the hunt. Yeah. Now, how are they packaged? Are they, like, is it ah is it a blind box? Like, you don't know what you're getting, or?
00:14:59
Speaker
no it's in an actual plastic bag, so you you see what's in it. Okay, okay. So you could potentially trade your toy for a different one if they had them, theoretically. absolutely Yeah, absolutely. And the boxes that they came in are really, really neat. So collectors, I can see, are going to go there and just, you know, snatch up a lot of the meals and keep the boxes. but Next time we go to Steel City Con, we'll probably see boxes for sale somewhere, you know.
00:15:25
Speaker
Oh yeah. Undoubtedly. Yeah. You know, but so it's, it's, it's a fun time. We got a star Wars movie coming out May 22nd. We got all this tie in stuff from fast food makes you feel like a kid again, you know?
00:15:36
Speaker
Oh, I know. i I love this. Yeah. I love when, you know, a movie or something that you like gets fast food premiums or, you know, some kind of like really big marketing push. I'm, you know As far as trailers and TV spots are concerned, I don't think I want to see any more than what I've already seen, but yeah I don't mind going, you know, like seeing all the tie and stuff and, you know, like I know that I got myself a box of Nilla wafers that are, know, just, just they're dyed blue, like the Grogu they're called Grogu Nilla nummies or something. I think. There you go. Yeah.
00:16:16
Speaker
There's a box of those sitting down in the in the kitchen right now. Uh-huh. Nice. are you gonna Are you going to eat them or are you going to save them? Oh, I'm probably going to eat them. I'm not really into saving food items unspoiled or untouched. I don't really care about that. I gotcha. Hey, you can still just keep the empty box. That's fine. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:36
Speaker
Maybe. We'll see. Yeah. Now, True Moo apparently is bringing back their blue milk. Are you getting that too? I will probably pick up the blue milk. i was actually just listening to podcast over the weekend where they talked about the blue mo the the t True coming back for Mandalorian and Grogu. So I don't know which of my local our local stores sell the True Moo milk.
Personal Stories and Dating
00:17:02
Speaker
that's a good um I wonder if Giant Eagle has them or maybe select Giant Eagles.
00:17:07
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's going to be a bigger store like Giant Eagle. I know Walmart doesn't sell that. Okay. Brand. the Not that I've ever seen at least. Yeah. Oh, for those in the audience, if you don't know, Giant Eagle is a big chain grocery store in our area, in the Pittsburgh area. Yeah.
00:17:25
Speaker
Yeah, it's like our version of of Kroger or what else? Wegmans or Food Lion. H-E-B in Texas. that's a you know I would say H-E-B is probably the closest that we have or the closest to what we have in Giant Eagle. is yeah is that you know Or or you know if if you're from the ah the the the southeastern U.S. like Florida, Georgia, you've got Publix.
00:17:53
Speaker
Yes. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense Yeah, a lot of different chains. Yeah. I actually, I worked at Giant Eagle when I was in college, and that's actually where I met my wife. We both worked there. So we're a Giant Eagle couple.
00:18:08
Speaker
ah Kylie and I are a Wendy's couple, so, you know, it's... Oh, I thought you guys met it on campus. I mean, technically, that's where... That's not where we first met. That was, you know, that's where we...
00:18:21
Speaker
really started talking and dating was in college but no we we knew each other from working at wendy's oh nice okay we didn't work to gary the very often you know uh right she was often she often would be on day shift and i you know was one of the closers because you know guy scrub floors guy clean friars you know yeah absolutely absolutely yep mean yep Yeah.
00:18:49
Speaker
Yeah. So, know, she was on, and she typically ended up on day shift. So, you know, only the, the, the first time that we met and ever really interacted was a shift on new year's day where we, you know, I, I had a rare open shift. Yeah. were your Was it in Belvern where you guys know, no Mount Pleasant.
00:19:09
Speaker
Oh, Mount Pleasant area. Okay. Yeah. Well, that's awesome. Yeah. Yep. if you ever want to find your spouse, don't go on the internet, work at a grocery store, fast food, man. Yeah, sure. and It's true.
00:19:26
Speaker
You know, i'm I'm sure there are some plenty of successful Internet relationships, though. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's something i actually talk about with my clients sometimes in therapy because like sometimes they'll say they haven't had any luck on the Internet. And I'll say to them, how do people date now?
00:19:44
Speaker
You know, and and they're like, they besides the Internet, they don't know how else to date. yeah Very interesting. you know And I'm kind of like, whatever happened to going to the bar or just you know working with somebody?
00:19:55
Speaker
and know But this times have changed. you know You and I have been out of the dating field for well over 20 years, so oh yeah things are different. you know yeah And i don't I don't think drinking is as in vogue as it used to be. I think you know this generation of young adults is more...
00:20:15
Speaker
you know either sober, sober curious, or you know just they just don't drink often, if at all. yeah Yeah. Generations definitely change, that's for sure. Yeah.
00:20:27
Speaker
Okay. I know we went off on a tangent, but it was fun. It was fun. When don't we go off on a tangent on this show, Chris? know. That's what I like about
Convention Experiences and Expectations
00:20:35
Speaker
it. We just kind of go everywhere, and I'm hoping people just follow us along and are patient. Yeah.
00:20:41
Speaker
ah yeah Yeah, so ah you you had you had mentioned that you know the next Steel City Con in August, we might see some of the the Burger King premiums you know end up there as as collectible items you know you can buy for ah for a you know a modest markup Oh, yeah, absolutely. Unfortunately, I'm not going to be able to go to the Steel City Con in August, which right sucks. But I'll be in Las Vegas for the Star Trek Las Vegas 60th anniversary convention.
00:21:12
Speaker
I mean, you know, don't make everybody jealous, Chris. Yeah. Genuinely, i'm as much as I'm excited about going to star Trek Las Vegas, it's huge.
00:21:26
Speaker
You know, i still love our local con. So I was hoping that I'd get to do both, but they just fell on the same weekend. Yeah, well, you know, you'll be in Vegas partying it up. and I hope. I'm not super partier, but like I am really looking forward to Star Trek karaoke night. That is a lot of fun. When you get to sing Faith of the Heart with the Enterprise actors, that is nice that is super fun.
00:21:50
Speaker
That's awesome. You know, so I even last time when we were in our hotel week, we after Klingon karaoke, we ran into that from i don't know if you ever saw the documentary Trekkies, but Gabriel, Gabriel Corner.
00:22:04
Speaker
we ran literally ran into him like in a vending machine right outside of our room. Oh, nice. This is out of nowhere. So it was cool to get to talk to him. I was like, and I had already had a moment where I caught glove.
00:22:16
Speaker
think the guy who plays Gowron, Robert O'Reilly, Gowron the Klingon. Yeah. He threw one of his, he was in Klingon, a Klingon costume and he threw one of his gloves out into the audience. I managed to get it Very nice. So I had that. Then I meet Gabriel right afterward. I was on such a high. You wouldn't believe. Sure. so But yeah. So are are you planning on going to Steel City Con in August? I have no idea because we'll that'll be our first week back to work. Oh, because yeah, because I don't since the last time we were.
00:22:54
Speaker
we We recorded back in, what, February, I think? or Or March, something like that, yeah. March, okay. So I can't remember, but we're we're off the summer again. so we're no longer, job's no longer going to be year-round like it was this past year. So we'll be off from ah June 16th until August 3rd?
00:23:15
Speaker
Yeah, 3rd, that Monday. So we'll just be getting back to work. So I know Friday, Thursday, I won't be able to go Friday to still city to con because we'll be in training. I'm sure. Cause that's the end of our first week. Yeah. I don't know if I just want to go for two days.
00:23:33
Speaker
yeah Right. so I mean, there would have to be like a guest that I absolutely couldn't miss, you know? Absolutely. Absolutely. And it looks like as of now, they're starting to get some sort of Stranger Things reunion coming.
00:23:48
Speaker
They've got a lot of yeah actors coming. So that yeah seems to be what the focus is going to be this one. But it's still too early. They can have some other mini reunions getting ready to start as well. Yeah. I mean, i i would be, you know, I'd be okay with Winona Ryder. That would be kind of awesome.
00:24:03
Speaker
Heck yeah, absolutely. They need to start bringing some more Star Trek and Star Wars actors and actresses back. We haven't seen that. It's been a while since we've seen anybody like that. Yeah.
00:24:14
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. i mean, i can't imagine that some of the like, they like strange new worlds people or, you know, so even from Starfleet Academy, people coming, right. You know, i i mean, I think they'd have a good turnout.
00:24:26
Speaker
Yeah. And they're, you know, all they're all on the younger end. So they have probably more flexibility or more time and, you know, to be able to get out and and do stuff. You so that is difficult, you know, so who knows?
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I mean, and you know, we, the the Starfleet Academy folks, they're all done, right? Because season two is already filmed. Yeah, absolutely. So, that so ah you know, unless they have other jobs going on right now, I mean, they they could be more open. A lot of them are going to be at at Star Trek Las Vegas. so Makes sense. Yeah. Yeah.
00:24:59
Speaker
so yeah So hopefully that'll build up a little bit more. That'd be, that'd be wonderful for us out this way. You know, for sure. Now, did you actually go to city con this time in April? no No, I didn't go. No, I didn't. We didn't end up making it.
00:25:17
Speaker
Just again, it really, nobody that I absolutely wanted to see. I gotcha. Yeah. Anyway, but you went and I know that you had quite a bit of, ah you know, of experiences. I know you you did a couple of professional photo ops, right? Yes. Yes, I did three. So first one I did was of William Shatner. And this is my third time getting a photo op with him. And at first, like I was kind of like, why am I doing this again?
00:25:45
Speaker
But it's he's 95 years old. Who knows if he's ever going to come back out here. And this is our hometown con. So I wanted one last special memory with him. Right. And there's actually there was a booth of people who came. It's called home team collections. And they actually made these, these picture frame holders for your, your photo ops. And they had themes of them for every single actor and actress that that came.
00:26:11
Speaker
So you could get one for your home improvement, your Roseanne, your child child's play, anything. And they were like 60 bucks. They were wonderful. you know So a little shout out to them because their their work was is um amazing what they did with those frames. so yeah yeah so in terms of So I met william did William Shatner's. I also met Brad Dourif.
00:26:32
Speaker
Everybody knows him as Chucky from the Child's Play movies. But for me, I know him as Lon Suter from Star Trek Voyager, the serial killer that Tuvok kind of tamed with a Vulcan mind meld.
00:26:44
Speaker
yeah So got him. and then Roseanne, if there was any show that I did that I loved as much as Star Trek growing up, it was Roseanne. So that was special.
00:26:55
Speaker
Nice. yeah how was So you just did a professional photo op with her, right? You didn't do like a meet and greet or like go through her autograph line. No, yeah I'm too chicken shit for that. I'll be honest with you. I am. I'm afraid I'm going to sound stupid and all that kind of stuff. And then I'm going to blow my memory. So photo ops are perfect for me. It's a high bye.
00:27:15
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And that's it. I gotcha. Did you spend any time like just hanging out in that area? i'm i'm just curious what her interaction was like with, you know, with the fans. and Right. So I didn't see really hang out in that area, but I did see footage of a lot of that on YouTube. okay And on Facebook as well. And she was very, very good to her fans. As a matter of fact, the people that were in front of me for the photo op, it was a family of four. And their daughter was very, I guess, camera shy or scared of the...
00:27:48
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but flash. Okay. Roseanne did everything she could to to make that girl feel very calm and relaxed. She was hugging her, talking softly to her. And then at one point when the girl was still so freaked out, the family and Roseanne walked out with her and Roseanne comforted her.
00:28:05
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it It was, it was amazing to see just the the, the level of kindness that she had for this little girl. Yeah. So yeah, she did really, really well with her fans and her panel was hysterical.
00:28:18
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You know, she was good at making jokes about herself and lots of that stuff. Yeah. I mean, I know there's a bit of controversy around her and some of her things that she's posted in public forums and, and you know, some of the reactions that she's gotten. Was was it pretty? i mean, was everything pretty civil or like, was there any any unrest or any kind of demonstrations? Yeah.
00:28:42
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Not that I noticed. No, not at all. And everybody who went to the panel, everybody was just really having a good time. Yeah. I was worried about that, that, you that would. Now we were told by the guy who does the Q and A's, he told us all, you know, keep it civil, things like that. we got the talk.
Star Trek Memorabilia and Fan Activities
00:29:01
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And also, also before people were allowed to ask their questions, they had to be screened by the the people walking around with the microphones. Yeah, that makes sense. know so they They did that.
00:29:12
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But yeah, Roseanne actually. So nobody made a mention about what happened. Roseanne brought it up a couple of times on her own. It was more and she was making more like jokes about what happened to her.
00:29:23
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Like she said something like about don't ever take Ambien or something like that. You know, she just she found ways to to to talk about the situation, but not like directly discuss it. You know what i mean? Yeah.
00:29:37
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Yeah. kind of stuff I gotcha. Yeah. And we got to see her son. She hurt one of the, I guess, in our entourage, if you want to call it that her son, Jake, was walking around with her as well. Yeah. So it was it was a really good, it was a great convention, a lot of fun. I got a lot of William Shatner collectibles while i was there.
00:29:55
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I'm sure. Yeah. Great stuff. One of the things I got actually was a handmade Lego figure of Captain Kirk, but it's about the size of like a big Barbie doll. Oh, nice. i It was $20. It was made out of wood. And I regret now, I should have bought the whole set. He had like yeah i think had all of them, but it was William Shatner being there. I just wanted that one.
00:30:18
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But you she you know like they don't have any Lego Star Trek figures. So to see that was great. Well, I mean, they did release that Enterprise D. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
00:30:29
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So, and I mean, it seemed like it sold out multiple times. Like it seemed like they, they sold out then restocked and then sold out again. so i think it was a popular set. Oh yeah. Oh, the set. Definitely. Definitely. So hopefully that's a, you know, a, a sign of good things to come.
00:30:46
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Absolutely. Yeah. I agree with you. I agree with you. So, all right. But yeah, those were my steel city con recollections for this time around. Just, i have to wait another eight months for the next one.
00:31:01
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Oh, you're going to do. i know i you know i look forward to those. One thing I always one thing i always tell my clients, if if they feel like they're not, you know how we all get stuck in our ruts of work and the house routine and family and all that. I always tell them, put something in your schedule books that even if it's a couple months out that you have something to look forward to.
00:31:23
Speaker
You know, a couple times a year. So that way, as it gets closer, you're getting more and more excited, you know, more you're happy about something. You know, I think that that's very important. And Steel City Con is the one that I do that with. Also, Toy Palooza is coming this weekend on Saturday the 9th at the Royal Convention Center. So that's always a lot of fun.
00:31:43
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Yeah, I was going to say you went to you went there last year, didn't you? Yes, I did, because they they moved it to the Monroeville Convention Center, which is nice, because before that, it was scattered around in different places. you know Now it's you know it's in a venue that's not far from the house. it's you know We know what to expect going there now.
00:32:00
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So that that's always a lot of fun. That's like having a whole other Steel City Con dealer's room back. doesn't why Because it's just most basically dealers. It's not, you know, it's not panels and meet and greets. And yeah.
00:32:14
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Yep. Yeah. And it's it's good. That way you only have, a you have to stay there for a couple hours and then you're done. Your feet don't hurt at the end of the day. Yeah. And I'm sure you know admission isn't nearly as much either.
00:32:25
Speaker
Oh, no. I think it's like $10 or $15, something like that. But it's worth it for the amount of vendors that are there. Right. you know so But other than that, that's that's pretty much it on my end. my The ship, the USS Stella Parada, my Star Trek fan club, which is through Starfleet International,
00:32:42
Speaker
We are prepping for our booth at Three Rivers Comic Con, which is going to be Saturday, June 6th and Sunday, June 7th. We go there, we set up a booth for recruitment, but also we do activities to earn money for the con's charity of choice, which is called Extra Life, which helps the kids with pediatric cancer.
00:33:01
Speaker
Nice. Yeah. So we're looking forward to that. We'll be planning that for the next month. Yeah. Yeah. I know you've you've done that the past several years. Yeah. Yes, yes. it's It's my favorite activity that the Stella Parada does every year. Yeah, it's always good to, you know, help kids fight cancer.
00:33:21
Speaker
yeah And then to get to dress up in your uniform and you feel like you're you feel like an actual like Starfleet officer for two days, you know, and i yeah so and this will be the first year that I'm actually captain of the Stella Parada. So that makes it special. So looking forward to that.
00:33:36
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Yeah. So yeah, you're, you're going to, I mean, yeah, you're, that's next month. That's the beginning of next month. So you, you have a quite a busy month of May ahead of you. It seems like.
00:33:48
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Yes. Yes. But definitely looking forward to it.
Personal Life Updates and Cultural Reviews
00:33:51
Speaker
So make sure you take care of yourself. You know, I will, the blood pressure, the blood pressure is stabilized. So it's good. but the med The meds are working.
00:33:59
Speaker
Good, good, good. Yeah. So what about on your end? Any other nerd stuff on your end? Well, let's see.
00:34:12
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Wow. Well, I guess the most nerdy thing I did really recently in ah in you know and in the more traditional sense, a couple of months ago, we saw when it came out, we saw Project Hail Mary.
00:34:28
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Ooh. Yeah. Did you see that? No, but I really wanted to. I heard it's really good. It is really, really good. Now, I read the book last year, and I just i fell in love with the story and you know how it was you know it's just just such a great feel-good story. And the movie did a great job of adapting it. you know Of course, you know there's a lot of stuff that gets left out or you know omitted because you know you can't take...
00:34:55
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thousand page book and distill it into a two and a half hour movie and get everything. absolutely Yeah, you're right. You're right. but I can imagine the story the story was great and the visuals and yeah.
00:35:07
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um Yeah. I mean, I'm hearing some people kind of comparing it to 2001. Yeah. Oh, nice. you know it's in that very it's in that same vein especially with like some of the visual yeah aesthetics and some of the the cinematography it it definitely evokes that you know that same feeling that that that kurick captured with two thousand and one you a lot of long like tracking shots and establishing shots you know it it really yeah It kind of gives you that same feel, but it was a, much it was a, it was a faster paced movie that than, than 2001. Cause you know, it's a bit of a slog. I gotcha. Gotcha.
00:35:48
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 2001. Oh man. Yeah. Great film. Great film. But it's, always yeah it's, it's, it, it, you have to be in a, in a very,
00:36:00
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open mindset to to sit down and watch it. Absolutely. That's why I prefer 2010. At least it's got talking and action and stuff like that. Yeah, and a lot of people who say that that's a better film overall.
00:36:12
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oh Absolutely. so But I'm glad that you enjoyed it. we actually i wanted to see it with Brandy, but we ended up seeing the Super Mario Galaxy movie instead. and And see, I didn't really care much for that.
00:36:25
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ah Did you see it then? You saw it? Yeah. Yeah, we saw it. I thought i don't know what it was. it it it the the The plot, the story was very disjointed. It didn't make a whole lot of sense. And you notice that that Mario was really not in it that much. You know, it focused a lot on Peach and Rosalina, which was it was was an interesting choice, you know, yeah for for the second film and it in in a in a franchise, you know, to focus on those characters. That's, I mean, like,
00:37:01
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All the stuff with Bowser and Bowser Jr. was hilarious, I thought. Definitely. yeah and And there were a lot of references to super Mario games and other Nintendo franchises you know had some love shown their way you know with the Star Fox, all the Star Fox stuff. Yeah.
00:37:22
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I know I was, yeah as a kid, i was a big fan of Super Mario Brothers 2 on the NES. So to see those characters and those enemies in that game get some quality screen time, you know, that was pretty cool.
00:37:35
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Yes, it was. Yes, it was. Yeah. war That was actually probably my favorite part of the movie was seeing Wart and Mouser with that claw grip and Birdo. Yeah, those and the ninjis. All the ninjis just got it up. Yeah. So yeah, that was awesome. But yeah, Project Hail Mary, I'm glad you got to see that and enjoy it.
00:37:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah, it's definitely, ah it's when you when you get a chance to watch it, definitely take take the time and and sit down and watch it. It's awesome. It's kind of that hopeful sci-fi that you know that yeah is kind of missing. you know It seems like a lot of sci-fi anymore is is very dystopian. you know Yes. And unfortunately, even Star Trek started becoming dystopian, which is which is so sad about how dark things are getting. wasn't it that hopeful message it used to have.
00:38:27
Speaker
Right. In many ways. So, yeah. Oh, good. Okay. So any other nerd stuff? o Not that I can think of. No.
00:38:38
Speaker
I'm still waiting for that day where you say, Chris, I finally took the plunge and I joined the 501st. I think about you every time. it's no there that still I know. I know. I keep saying I'm going to do it. And then I just never actually go beyond the let's do it. I'm going to do it. I'm thinking about it. It yeah just it never materializes into anything more than that.
00:39:01
Speaker
hopes and dreams and wishes. and i know what you mean. But yeah, just, you know, just speaking from being in the Stella Parada, just that it, it just having that group of people that's like family to you and all having the same love for something, it yeah it can't be beat, you know? So I hope that you get to experience that for yourself.
00:39:20
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Yeah. I mean, i I've, you know, I've kind of, don't know. I, I guess I've been more like, i'm I mean, you know,
00:39:31
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I'm not, you know, my fandom is not going anywhere. i It's not dying. You know, I'm super excited about everything that's coming out, you know, for, for Star Wars. and I'm really loving Maul, but I've kind of been leaning more into my, ah my theater nerd side lately with a lot of the stuff that I've been doing. Oh, nice. Okay. um You know, we've, you I've kind of got a group of friends that, you we see a lot of shows and, and like musicals and stuff with like, or do musical themed things. Like, you know, we, every, every month that Dave and Buster's at the waterfront, there's this, it's called nonstop Broadway. It's like karaoke. It's Broadway karaoke. Right.
00:40:19
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It's something that we do. We don't go to every month, but they have it every month. But, you know, they'll they'll do like Broadway jukebox where you get to pick the songs that you sing to. Or sometimes the the events like he'll, the shows, the the shows that the music comes from is going to be fixed. You know like it's, he picks the shows and the songs, all but it's like, you know, then like everybody that wants to sing could sing a different part. And it's, it's really neat. It's then we've, let's see, this year we saw,
00:40:49
Speaker
One, two, three. We saw three different high schools do their musical, their spring musical. Yeah, we went to local school, South Marland, and saw Newsies.
00:41:03
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California Area High School did, they did, oh, Mary Poppins, and that was a really good show. And then we saw, the last show, the the last high school show that we saw was East Allegheny High School, we saw their performance of Avenue Q. Okay.
00:41:22
Speaker
Which was a, that was probably my favorite of the three shows three high school shows that we saw. at One, I love the musical. And it's and two, just the the way, you know, the kids put on a hell of a hell of a performance. like Because Avenue Q involves puppetry, like Muppet-style puppetry, like Sesame Street.
00:41:43
Speaker
Avenue Q is basically Sesame Street for adults. Okay. It's got some raunchy sound, you know, some raunchy songs, which they adapted or changed completely for the high school production. But they kept some songs in that I didn't, you know, and and in in fully intact.
00:42:01
Speaker
Some of the songs that they did kept keep in, I was impressed by. oh good. Good. good But yeah. Well, that's good. That's cool that you're doing that and supporting the local schools with their their musical theater. that's I think that's wonderful. Now, yeah did did you end up seeing Clue in December? Yes.
00:42:21
Speaker
How was that? You know what? I thought it was a fantastic adaptation. Oh, it was definitely more of an adaptation of the film, which, you know... it not Not to take anything away from the film, you're you're the board game, rather, but the film is kind of, it's that slapstick, you know, whodunit comedy, which I know you are a huge fan of the movie. Oh, yeah.
00:42:47
Speaker
It's one of your favorites. I know you see it in the theaters anytime it comes back. Yeah. Yeah. In August, we saw it in a theater. That was incredible. Yeah. Yeah. I thought it was, it was, that it was a great adaptation of, of the play. I mean, it was weird, you know, not having some of those iconic actors, you know, yeah having like stage, you know, stage.
00:43:07
Speaker
ah yeah I mean, they did a good job of, of having the same kind of performances, you know, But yeah, i thought ah i thought it was I thought it was really good. And and like I said, it was you was very much very much a faithful adaptation of the movie. which Oh, good.
00:43:25
Speaker
Yeah. you would ah You would have enjoyed it. Yeah. we with It was right after Christmas. We just didn't have the money to go. Sure. or the time. you know so But i'm I'm glad you guys got to go and and experience that. That would have been amazing to see.
00:43:39
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And it was a play. It wasn't a musical. so Oh, okay. Okay. But that was down at what, the Benetton Center in Pittsburgh?
Starfleet Academy Series Analysis
00:43:48
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Yeah. Okay.
00:43:49
Speaker
Very nice. All right there, Jonathan, do we have any more special nerd stuff for you and me to talk about? Not that I can think of. Why don't we get into a quick discussion of the last few episodes of Starfleet Academy? I know our last episode, we we talked about the first six episodes, and there were, what, four more after that, right?
00:44:10
Speaker
Absolutely. Mm-hmm. So... Overall, I don't want to we're not going to break down every episode or anything like that. But overall, how do you think the show ended? Do you feel like there was that everything kind of paid off? Or what do you feel? Or like, what do you feel missed the mark?
00:44:31
Speaker
I think the whole arc with Caleb and his mom kind of missed the mark. And here's here's what my issue with that was. First of all, they it was supposed to be the whole season long.
00:44:43
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Well, they only really dealt with it like in episode one and two. And then you might get a mention through the rest of the season. And then it kind of picked up again in episode nine and ten. yeah So, you know, so I just thought, I think they could have done the season, quite frankly, without that storyline. I think that, you know, maybe somehow Caleb has some sort of epiphany or maybe somehow Nala Ake found him and and made him like a protege to join Starfleet.
00:45:10
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I like the fact that he grew by becoming a ah cadet and that he wanted to turn away from that that kind of life. That's great. The whole story, though, with his mother...
00:45:21
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Sat odd with me. So I understand why Ake felt bad about splitting her up from Caleb. You know, nobody wants to split up families or anything like that.
00:45:35
Speaker
But they treated the situation as though the mom was some sort of victim, in my opinion, in during the whole thing. like she No matter what reason she joined with Noose Braca, for whether it was for food or whatever, she still got involved in a crime situation that led to the death of a Starfleet officer.
00:45:55
Speaker
And she's everybody was saying, wondering why she lost custody of her child was because she was a criminal. That was at that story just didn't make sense to me, you know, and then Nala, I guess it tried noose Branca and the mom.
00:46:13
Speaker
you know my feeling was is that she's probably done this before. I can't imagine this was a one and done situation like this. you know I'm sure she's had situations where she's had to remove kids and parents plenty of different times. Why was it this one incident that was so bad that made her decide she was going to throw her whole career away and go and settle on Bajor and work in that learning center or whatever it was? you know I just thought the story just kind of didn't make sense. And then when mom popped back up,
00:46:43
Speaker
you know And she had this trial with News Branca. They were trying Ake. The whole time they were making it sound like the mom was the victim in all of this. yeah just It felt odd to me. like she was like She was a criminal. that doesn't make sense that they made her the victim.
00:47:00
Speaker
you know it if anything, I feel that Caleb was the victim in the whole thing. i mean it's It's sad that that his mom... felt like she had to steal and stuff to get food, which is kind of odd considering by the 32nd century, you would think there'd be replicators everywhere, but maybe it was in the ass end of space. And because of the burn, maybe there was just a lot, lack of access to resources, you know, and people do things, you know, that are, you know,
00:47:28
Speaker
Oh, what's the word? They just, you know, people do things when they're desperate. I'm trying to get things. I guess maybe that was what the whole point of it was. I keep trying to remind myself that this burn thing happened and it was it lasted for 100 years and affected thousands of light years.
00:47:45
Speaker
in a space. So, you know, it's calling things like that could have been severely impacted. So I try to remember that piece. all Right. Right. And I mean, the Federation is only so big and especially now you know in in that timeline, it's even smaller than it was in the 24th century.
00:48:05
Speaker
Absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I think that i I think that earlier Star Trek shows You know, they the way that they paint the Federation as I think they paint the Federation as being bigger than it actually is. Yeah. Or it make they make it feel like it's bigger or more vast than it actually is. And then I mean, and when you think about the entirety of space, you know, yeah it is a very small area that the the Federation actually has influence over. Right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And you're going to always have things fall through the cracks, no matter how advanced your society is. But, you know, the thing is, that is, that side of Star Trek isn't something that we saw either. i mean, we saw, you know, we certainly saw a fair amount of
00:49:00
Speaker
of challenges and strife affecting the the crews of the, of the ships and on the various series. But, you know, it was always painted to be a bit more of a rosy picture, you know, as far as yeah the citizens of the Federation have you know, don't want for anything. And it seemed like all of the conflicts seem to be coming from external, you know, sources that you didn't have a lot of internal conflict within the Federation.
00:49:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Now it's it's a lot different. you know with the The newer Trek hat it has been painting. The things aren't quite as you know rosy. is you know You can't look at the Federation through the rose-covered glasses of of earlier shows. But you had mentioned about how that ah yeah that kind of dystopian ideals or ideas are coming through in Star Trek where It used to be ah more a show about, you know, positive positivity and hope and yeah optimism.
00:49:59
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, humanity working together to make sure that everybody is taken care of. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. So, yeah. So, I mean, so like that's the whole thing. The burn throws that extra like caveat into the whole situation. You know what I mean? And it kind of brings people back to, well, what kind of, what are they going to do when they don't have resources? Kind of goes back to something Quark said in the final season of Deep Space Nine about how even now humans, you know, so there' they're great people as long as you keep their bellies full and their holosuites working, but take away their creature comforts, they can be just as violent as any Klingon.
00:50:36
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Mm-hmm. you know And so I guess that's kind of what we saw with with the mom. i i'm Now, getting back to that, I loved i love the reunion between her and Caleb. I mean, I was smiling during that because it was very touching to see. Because you can put yourself in that situation and not seeing your kid for however many years.
00:50:56
Speaker
I mean, she was like finding a needle in a haystack for the two of them. So to see them reunited was a wonderful thing. Yeah. Now, the the trial was really interesting. i mean, I thought it was kind of cool. it kind of looked like they were doing a whole CNN feed, which was really neat.
00:51:13
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So we find out, though, that Neusbrach, all this stuff that he all this anger that he's had toward the Federation, the fact he wanted to destroy it. And here are his dad was who wanted to destroy their colony by like firing. It's like firing torpedoes or something. It was his own stupid fault. Right.
00:51:30
Speaker
Right. Yeah. you know It wasn't the Federation. It was just another. it was a blunder of what ended up happening. And he just and I and I get where he's coming from. mean, you have it in your head. You have the story of what happened. and And all of a sudden there's a wrench thrown into that. And it's kind of like, oh, my gosh, everything I I believed and I knew was for nothing. And he couldn't believe it.
00:51:52
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he He was not willing to believe that that was the case. You know, and I can't remember what happened to him. Did he get rearrested or did he escape? Hmm. I thought they captured him. but i thought so. But then the the mom, she she was free to go.
00:52:10
Speaker
Right. Yeah. I remember that at the end of the episode. Now, one other thing I want to say just about the the the the the ninth episode of the season when they all – disobeyed orders and banded together to go help Caleb find his mom.
00:52:26
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who I think a lot of people were mad about that because they were breaking the rules, but I, i actually thought it was a touching moment and, and it carried on through the whole episode. It it was what I called the star Trek three moment.
00:52:38
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That was where they didn't give a crap about rules and regulations. This is where they, they became friends and cared about each other and risked everything to help a friend. You know, and, you know, at first it was kind of like, well, how, why are they all so close? And it hasn't only been nine episodes. Well, we got to remember that's only a 10 episode season. Now they don't have a whole big season anymore to really develop that. They have to move it at warp speed, you know? So it was, so I looked at that. i was like, you know what? But it makes sense that they would have bonded during that first year at the Academy and that they cared about each other that much that they were willing to sacrifice everything that I thought that was Star Trek at its core. Yeah.
00:53:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like you said, it's it's it's not like it's unheard of in Star Trek for them to basically say the rules be damned. You know, our our people come first. Yeah. We're going, you know, the like you say, it's it's the classic. The needs of the the needs of the one.
00:53:38
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are being considered before the needs of the many. Yes, absolutely. and And Kirk said that to Spock in Star Trek 3 when Spock asked Kirk, why did you come back for me? You know, and, you know, was the reverse of what Spock has said in Star Trek 2. You know, so yeah. So I thought that was that was really nice.
00:53:55
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The characters, the cadets, i a lot of people, he either loved them or you hated them. It's what it seems like online. See, I didn't necessarily mind them. i Some obviously I liked better than others. Like,
00:54:07
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Caleb, I thought, was was interesting, but I think they made him into Starfleet officer material too quick. And again, I know there were only 10 episodes, but he... He was this this criminal. He's on his own for 15 years, struggling to survive. And he immediately flipped to being, for the most part, following rules and regulations after Laura Thock had him doing push-ups with a heavy bag on his back. After that, like if you watch you watch the episodes, for the most part, he he becomes like a model officer.
00:54:39
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for the most part. There's still few times he breaks the rule. But I just thought i thought it was funny that that he went from the bad boy to pretty much listening and being cooperative right after that moment.
00:54:50
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But it may it may you know makes you wonder, though, how much of yeah was that... was that interaction the first of many, right? And yeah what's the passage, what was the passage of time like in between, you know, there's so many, like you said the story is being told at warp speed. You don't have time to let things breathe. yeah But then I guess then though, it's up to the visual storytelling to indicate the passage of time.
00:55:18
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Yeah. But if you felt like it, if you felt like it was too quick, did they adequately communicate that their, know, that their, the time had passed or that, you know, that he had been undergoing these, you know, these lessons or this, you know this conditioning to, to be more like a Starfleet officer and explain, display those ideals, you know,
00:55:42
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Yeah. was you so And I don't recall if there was passage of time indicated. There wasn't. It literally happened in the pilot right there, and I was all within a rough rough area. so But I liked his relationship with Tarima. Now, she was interesting in the fact that, well, she had that thing on her neck because she had the ability to pe pretty much cause a lot of harm to people with her own telepathic abilities.
00:56:07
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I thought it would have been more interesting if they would have made her character more like Tam Elbrin from the third season of Next Generation episode Tin Man. um i don't know if you remember his character, but he was he was a Betazoid who Counselor Troi said there are some Betazoids where their telepathic abilities were switched on like almost immediately at birth.
00:56:26
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where it was supposed to start around puberty, adolescence, and that caused like them to be like mentally ill and things like that throughout their lives. it was hard for them to function.
00:56:36
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I thought it would have been more interesting to tie it in that way rather than create this whatever it was. I couldn't really figure it out. But I think that was one area that they missed. I also was kind of surprised. I love that they included the sign language in in in the show. i think that one good thing about the newer Trek shows is how much they've tried to be inclusive and and accepting of so many people with different, ah yeah think you know, handicaps, things like that.
00:57:03
Speaker
But I think they should have tried to create some sort of like their own Betazoid version of sign language because it was weird seeing people who were behind the psionic shield for 100 years using American sign language.
00:57:15
Speaker
Okay. I mean, is it was it American sign language? or I think so. I think it was. yeah Okay. Because I know that yeah with ah the last – whenever the Book of Boba Fett – feature, you know, had the the language of the Tusken Raiders being very much, you know, having sign language that that wasn't American sign language. know, they had created it just for that show. It may have had some signs that look ah similar. know, I mean, I'm i'm sure, you know, there are some things that are universally understood that, you know, yeah but the you know, you know, I just so I wonder if, you know, if it
00:57:57
Speaker
was maybe based on American sign language. And then if there were enough differences, I would, you know, I mean, I don't know. mean, obviously I'm not, I'm, I can, I don't even know much of and ah any, if any American sign language. So I'm not the person to yeah exactly to to judge whether it's it writes American sign language or if it was something that was adapted from career specifically for the show.
00:58:23
Speaker
Right. And I'll be straight open and honest. I don't really know either. I'm just going by what I heard online, people from reviews, things like that. But it would make sense to some degree if they did use it because they would want people in the theft community actually know what's going on and maybe feel represented from watching that. But that was just a minor quibble. That wasn't anything major. It didn't pull me out of the story or anything like that. think the one cadet who probably had the least amount of story development was Genesis. I think she was just your stereotypical, you know, coming from this Starfleet family and I want to prove myself.
00:59:00
Speaker
You know, I want to be a captain. I think that was all. I didn't hate her, but she didn't have but the some of the depth of some of the other characters did. I did not like the moment in the finale. She finally got to be, have her dream and be in the captain's chair for the Athena.
00:59:14
Speaker
And what does she say? i have to pee. You know, it was like they could have left out that comedy moment. I think they should just given her that moment. You know what I mean? That's all. yeah Yeah, that's I guess it's always, you know, it's always what is the the person in the captain's chair? What's going to be their thing? What's going to be their catchphrase? Absolutely. Yeah. So it was it was the writers just trying to be.
00:59:40
Speaker
funny yeah and and subvert expectations yeah pretty much pretty much i mean believe me and we would i mean it's not saying that it didn't fit it's like mean who wouldn't feel that way you know in your first command you know i just i just thought that could have been like her her moment you know what i mean yeah that's all that's all Well, in a show, I mean, but ultimately, you know, the the show was designed to try to attract a a younger, like a teenage to young adult audience. essential Yeah. Right. Absolutely.
01:00:12
Speaker
Yeah. But did they market the show that way? That's the thing. Like, who did they market the show to? Anybody? Exactly. I know. Exactly. Exactly. No, I agree. I agree. Who's the, what's the one? Dre? What's the, ah the bully, bully boy. What's his name?
01:00:28
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. I'm blanking on him.
01:00:33
Speaker
I don't know. Okay. Well, anyway, we'll call him bully boy, but him, he kind of jumped all over the place for me. Like in one episode, he was a bully, this horrible person. Then the next we're finding out he's flirting with all the girls on campus. Then we find out in an episode that he was, he had a bisexual menage a trois or something underwater. And then he's interested in Jaden. It's like, there was no consistency with the character. He was all over the place, you know, you know,
01:01:01
Speaker
So I didn't hate the character. Just I just he didn't make much sense to me. that's That's all. It's just kind of everywhere. Let's see. Jayden. He was I liked the character in the fact that he was I liked seeing that we were going to see a Klingon becoming like a doctor a healer.
01:01:20
Speaker
You know, and it's not that it's not like that hasn't been done before in Star Trek. You know, they always had the, you know, the the farmer or the the person from the Kethalolans or, you know, whatever, you know. So I thought that would have been very interesting to see. I wish we would have seen more of that in the in the season. I don't think that we really got that.
01:01:39
Speaker
I wish they wouldn't have taken all the most of the warrior out of them, though. they didn't he He knew what to say as a Klingon, but he never like did Klingon-y stuff. You know what i mean? It just never felt, that's all. He just didn't, like, I don't know. I don't know how to word that. He just, it it just kind of took the warrior piece out of him and just left the more pacifistic stuff.
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01:02:01
Speaker
Yeah. Which is absolutely the end of everything. I mean, Worf, they made a pacifist by Picard season three. mean, who would have thought Worf would have been drinking chamomile tea?
01:02:10
Speaker
you know You know, so it's, it's not that it can't happen. You know, it was just, it was just, they, they had him just kind of word servicing basically the Klingon culture rather than acting in it. That's all. Yeah. That's what I wish would happened with him. What are your thoughts?
01:02:31
Speaker
I, I, I don't, I don't say, I don't know. i don't think I know enough to again opine the way that you just did about the, you know, how they, how they should have treated the character.
01:02:44
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i don't know. I, I struggled with the show. I'll be honest. It, it wasn't something that captured my attention. Yeah. Not consistently. it It, I felt like I, I don't know. I just, I, I, I kind of felt like I just wanted it to be over.
01:03:04
Speaker
i noticely I know what you mean. I felt the same way. I mean, that some there were some interesting episodes. Sure. It didn't feel like Star Trek. it i don't I think that they were trying to market it toward an audience that they were hoping would come in. and But I don't think it exists. I don't think there's a lot. I think Star Trek just tends to be more for an older audience. Today's generation just doesn't care about sci-fi. Yeah.
01:03:30
Speaker
like what we had right you know and it's that's all yeah well just in general people aren't watching television shows streaming shows young kids like you know young adults yeah and like that that 18 to 29 demographic they're not watching streaming shows or you know if they are they're watching things like euphoria or you know they're they're watching stuff that's much more geared towards their age group or features people that are around the same age as them, you know? Yes, absolutely.
01:04:06
Speaker
Absolutely. I just don't think that, yeah, I just don't think there's enough. I don't think there's enough stock purchased in star Trek. Yeah, you're right. Among among the the younger generations.
01:04:19
Speaker
Yeah. And they they put all their eggs in that basket for this show. Yeah. I mean, it shows way it was written in and the 21st century slang in the 32nd century. And, you know, it just pulled a lot of people out of the show.
01:04:35
Speaker
You know, I mean, there were some good things that they tried and there were some good moments. But I mean, yeah, you're you're absolutely right. The only the character that fascinated me the most was Sam out of the out of the cadets. Yes. I thought she had an interesting premise.
01:04:48
Speaker
i but but She was only four months old. and She was supposed to be the emissary to learning about organics from the Kaskian people, you know, the the photonics.
01:05:00
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And so i had, I actually talked about this in my latest episode of Trek chat. And I actually had somebody accused me of only liking her, Like for like diversity reasons versus actually liking the character. And I i really liked Sam.
01:05:16
Speaker
I think I think that but ah her whole thing with Cisco, I thought was a was a pretty interesting story. One thing I wish they wouldn't have done is they they did the episode where she got a backstory with the doctor.
01:05:30
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make And they made it made her more human. or or And i I felt that was unnecessary. I felt that took away part of the uniqueness of the character. The uniqueness was that she was so young. And that's how she had to learn about humanity and about what it means to be human because of that that arc. None of the other characters had been like an any of Star Trek before.
01:05:50
Speaker
I guess maybe the doctor, but, you know, but and her role was unique. I think that took away from it. Yeah, but she was – I mean, she was damaged. She got damaged, and that's why they had to basically rebuild her. I guess so, yeah. Also give her the the benefit of having a childhood with a father. and i don't i mean, i I thought it was all touching. I thought it was very well done, but yeah. Yeah. it But it just kind of, yeah yeah yeah, to me, it just gave her, it kind of made her similar to all the other characters. Like now she has a childhood and, you know, a past, but before she didn't, she was just this unique four month old character who was programmed to be like a 17 year old and learn about humanity that way.
01:06:36
Speaker
and That's what I thought was interesting. But yeah, Sam was my favorite of the the of the six. you know So, I mean, the question is now is what's going to happen with Starfleet Academy Season 2? Are they going to actually... i mean, they're going to finish it, but are they going to actually put it on Paramount Plus and let people watch it? Or are they going to put it on DVD? or they just get There's rumors going around they're going to see if Netflix wants to stream it.
01:07:04
Speaker
I don't know. And I'm from last I heard, I don't think the Netflix stuff is going to end up working out. I don't know if, i don't know if it was a financial thing or, or what the issue with it is but yeah, it's not going to be anything. It's not going to be, i don't think they're going to, I don't think Netflix is going to pick it up. I think that, I think that, you know, they're still trying to shop it around. Yeah.
01:07:33
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know if it's actually going to... yeah I don't know how it's going to... Where it's going to end up. Yeah, absolutely. All we know is that it's it's done for sure. I know there are fans that are trying to get the petitions for it to get a season three, but they destroyed the sets already. Everything's gone.
01:07:52
Speaker
you You imagine the cost of having to rebuild all that stuff? Oh my gosh. Yeah. You know, there's no way anybody's going to do that, especially for a show that that the lyric ratings were so low.
01:08:03
Speaker
It's not happening. Right. know So, you know, so we'll see. It'll be interesting to see what happens with season two. For sure. Yeah. yeah Yeah. And whether it'll have any kind of ending, you know, yes a like, will it feel like an ending for the characters? Will, or, you know, if, if it doesn't feel like an ending for the characters as is, will they be given opportunities to go back in for reshoots, you know, to, yeah or to, you know, to like film an epilogue or something?
01:08:35
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Something. Yeah. All right there, sir. How about we switch gears to Star Wars? Yeah. So, yeah let's let's talk about the current animated series that is available on Disney+, plus and that is Star Wars Maul Shadow Lord.
01:08:56
Speaker
that it's It's kind of the the next follow-up series to The Clone Wars and The Bad Batch. you In fact, it this series, Kind of takes place in the same timeline as the Bad Batch, right? At least with, you know, especially in the early days, because the Bad Batch starts with Order 66 and the Jedi Purge. And this kind of takes place around the same time, just way, way outside of...
01:09:24
Speaker
the core of the galaxy, you know, where the, the, the events and everything, you know it, it, I don't know. i don't know much about this planet Janix where the show takes place. I don't know its position in the galaxy, whether it's, you know, one of the core worlds, mid rim outer. room I have no idea where this, where this planet is, but it doesn't seem like they are as directly involved in, in the conflict, you know, and then the rise of the empire as some of the other core worlds were.
01:09:53
Speaker
At Atten. At Atten, yeah. No, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Totally, no, that's, that yeah.
01:10:06
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But yeah, it it's, so yeah, it's it's kind of like the next, it's the next animated series to kind of follow up the stories that started in the Clone Wars.
01:10:18
Speaker
It's, we're kind of seeing Darth Maul, kind you start to put together the the shadow collective that, you know, that he had, that was pretty, pretty well established by the time that solo occurs.
01:10:34
Speaker
ahhuh So we're kind of getting some of those early stories about how he's, you essentially trying to build this criminal network of, of, of, you know, criminal enterprises or, you know, ally all of these crime syndicates together.
01:10:48
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yeah It's, it's,
01:10:52
Speaker
It's quite... Like you said, you know we were kind of talking pre-show about how you had a hard time getting into the first four episodes because it was relatively slow, right? It was very, very, very much a slow burn.
01:11:07
Speaker
Yes. you know We don't have a whole lot of action sequences. it's it's very you know it's It's a lot of establishing who the primary characters are, establishing where the sources of conflict are. It feels a lot like It feels like part police procedural, part film noir, you know, and and it feels very much inspired. The first of four episodes at least feel very much inspired by Andor.
01:11:34
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. That's a good Which isn't a bad thing. No. I just, I like how I like how we got so many new characters introduced in the show and in the show and compelling characters at that too. I mean, I am really like i i really am a big fan of, you know, the of the new characters, Brandon Lawson, you detective Lawson, i think everything with the wife and the son and like her working for the empire while he seems to kind of have a not so positive,
01:12:12
Speaker
opinion of the empire, right? Absolutely. yeah yeah He certainly, know, he certainly tries to avoid getting the Imperial machine involved in, in the conflict on Jan X. And, you know, cause it ultimately, know, what happens is they, they look at footage that was captured of mall and, you know, the, it tells them that he is wanted by the empire and that any sightings of him should immediately be reported to the empire.
01:12:40
Speaker
lawson wants to try to figure everything out on his own he doesn't want to get at the empire involved one because you know his his wife is one of them so he's and they are kind of separated and i think he says as much that they do they are separated right they're not together anymore but because of riley's sports and in school like you know he's staying with dad for now but But yeah, so his his motivations for wanting to avoid the Empire seem to be from of a personal aspect, you know, with with the personal life. But also, he kind of warned Two Boots about what, ah you know, what getting the Empire involved would look like. And, and you know you know, Two Boots was, you know, kind of...
01:13:30
Speaker
was the optimist, you know as far as, know, he, he, he kind of minimizes what the empire would do, but Lawson knows a lot better, know, he knows better. He knows that the empire would essentially take over as the, as the de facto government, you know, if they did get involved in it, you know, that's precisely what happened.
01:13:48
Speaker
oh Absolutely. You know, but I, I guess two boots was kind of, you know, he, he, He's a droid, right? He's programmed to follow the rules. So, you know, it didn't seem like he had like the ability for independent thought or for rational thought, like to, to, to, understand anything more than just what is protocol. Yeah.
01:14:11
Speaker
Absolutely. But it's starting to look like there's something in his brain that's switching. at they Yeah. regretting Regretting what he did. So you're right. The way they made it seem was like protocol states this. We have to do out all these things. But now he's like for the first time saying, well, he's questioning that.
01:14:28
Speaker
you know so That makes her a very interesting character. you know you know How far is he programmed to be able to make these self-criticals? Freedom of choice, basically, right for himself and have a conscience.
01:14:43
Speaker
Right, right. yeah Because it seems, I mean, the droid himself, they like is there's a lot of personality in the droid. But to the fact that he didn't really have the ability to break his programming you know when it comes to protocol, yeah know that that capacity wasn't in him anymore.
01:15:03
Speaker
But it is now. i i i don't understand how he's shaking his programming because, you know you would think that ah but essentially a police droid would be ideally would be programmed to follow the law to the letter of the law.
01:15:17
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And and that's yeah that's why they're using droids probably is you know for uniform enforcement. Yes, absolutely. It kind of reminds me a little bit. i don't know if you ever watched the but rebooted Battlestar Galactica. Well, the Cylons, the Centurions that the humanoid Cylons made actually put inhibitor chips inside them so they couldn't have free will.
01:15:39
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um So they were just basically following orders, you know, but it wasn't until there was a like a civil war that happened that the, the I guess, the good Cylons were,
01:15:51
Speaker
remove those inhibitor chips from them and he let them have free will. And they actually took the side of the rebellion, you know, because of them getting that freedom. And it's just, it makes me wonder if maybe two boots had some sort of chip in his head or something and maybe got overridden. I don't know.
01:16:06
Speaker
i mean, I, it's, it's interesting how he switched like that. What you're right. Cause he probably had the programming to be by the book. Mm-hmm. It's just reminded me of the whole Cylon thing.
01:16:18
Speaker
you know so Yeah. yeah and Unfortunately, Battlestar Galactica, the the reboot, or is one of those shows that I've always wanted to watch, but I have not gotten around to yet. It's it's kind of ah you know it's a blind spot in my nerddom.
01:16:35
Speaker
Yes. Oh my gosh, you're going to get addicted. Let me tell you. Oh, i'm I'm sure. I know I will, and I just don't know why I'm putting it off. Uh-huh. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work to get involved in another world. And, you know, you have to pay attention very closely to a lot of stuff with that show.
01:16:52
Speaker
Right. And that's, you know, that's when television was still like, you know, 15, 20 episode seasons. So, yes you know, really that, that time commitment too is something that yeah is, is hard to, to commit to.
01:17:07
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. All right. Okay. What other thoughts do you have about, about Maul? ah So, yeah, I really I'm really digging the story. i think i I do find it interesting that for a show called Maul Shadow Lord, there's not a whole lot of time spent with Maul. I mean, the other characters, you know, and the other storylines seem to be getting just as much room to breathe as as Maul's story does.
01:17:37
Speaker
hmm. like Oh, yeah. you've got you've got everything or You've got the dynamics between Devin and I'm going Eco-Dio-Docky. Did I get that right? I think so. Yeah. i'm just You know what? We're just going to call him the Allstate guy because...
01:17:58
Speaker
Sounds good to me. I'm sorry. I'm not saying... Ico Diodaki is just... it' it's it is a It is a Star Wars name. I will not take that away from them. It's very much... oh It's got some Obi-Wan Kenobi vibes to it. But... I don't know. It just doesn't roll off the tongue as as easily as Obi-Wan.
01:18:17
Speaker
Exactly. It's true Star Wars for Star Wars. You know? But yeah, I... The thing is... i I know he's not just the Allstate guy, but that's like, and he was, you he was the, he was the president on the show 24 for quite a few seasons, but the actor playing him, but that's just like, that's all I can hear you know, when, when I listened to him is, you know, I, I keep expecting like an Allstate reference or something. And I know it's not coming, but it's like my brain is having a hard time breaking
01:18:54
Speaker
fat you know, hearing that voice and not associating with, with insurance. Absolutely. Yeah. Makes sense. thanks But, but I, yeah, anyway, that that's, that's, that's, that's my own thing to overcome.
01:19:10
Speaker
I, I do kind of like how they are not a cohesive unit, right? They, they, and I don't know if that's malls influence or, you know, if It's out of necessity because, you know, for when we first meet the characters, you know, they're essentially living on the street. They have no money. They have, you know, they're hiding to avoid, you know, to stay alive and avoid detection by the Empire.
01:19:39
Speaker
But Devin's starving and you know, she's she resorts to. mean, part of what kind of kicks everything off is she resorts to stealing what looks like fruit or something from, you know, from a vendor.
01:19:53
Speaker
gets caught and that kind of, you know, introduces her to two boots and Lawson. And, you know, that's, yeah, that kind of sets all of that into motion, but yeah, it's, it's it is probably the most tense. Any kind of Padawan master relationship has been in star Wars, you know, because I don't know if it's because they're new characters, you know, but versus, you know,
01:20:22
Speaker
Considering like, you know, I mean, with Obi-Wan and Anakin, you know, we kind of knew what the end game with that was going to be because of the order of in which the story was told. But you kind of knew that there was going to be conflict in that relationship and you kind of expected it. But to see like to see Devin and and Master Daki kind of.
01:20:45
Speaker
you know, arguing and not really being, like they almost have like, you know, like Devin's having a crisis of faith in the Jedi order, whether that's due to Maul's influence or whether that's, you know, her own experience, I'm not sure. But I find that that relationship between them is is really fascinating.
01:21:02
Speaker
Yeah. it's It's not your typical Jedi Padawan, you relationship going on she's definitely got her own idea of what what society's like now and after order 66 and i think she's at a point where it's just like she almost has like an i don't care i'm going to give up attitude about things even down to like when she stole was it the may lauron fruit or whatever whatever that was you know yeah she just was like who cares whatever you know and you know I guess maybe just her whole world was shattered because she's she's only a teenager right now. So whisper the Jedi Order is all she knew. And then that got destroyed.
01:21:39
Speaker
now she probably just feels like, what am I living for? right And then Maul probably gives her some sort of like ability to channel all that frustration and anger for the first time and make some use out of it, really. Yeah, yeah i mean, it's he's definitely exploiting the the emotional or you know the lack of emotional regulation that teenagers tend to exhibit at that age you know they yeah he's kind of you know he he is he's he's exploiting that to his advantage absolutely absolutely you know but so i so tomorrow's when the next the last two come out right correct correct yeah may may the 4th those are last two episodes Yes. It's hard to believe it's going to be over already. You know, the next question is, is what's going to be coming next? I know we have Ahsoka season two coming. I'm not sure when that is, but do we have anything else to look forward to as well?
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01:22:36
Speaker
And well, besides Mando and Grogu.
01:22:38
Speaker
I mean, the only other star Wars project that we know is done or you know, is, is proceeding along as planned is the star Wars star fighter movie that, that with Ryan Gosling, that's coming out next year.
01:22:52
Speaker
I don't know where a Soka season two is in in the production cycle, whether it's, I thought they were done filming and that they, they're working on the, like all the post-production stuff, but I can't let's, let's see what the Google machine has to say about the status of a Soka season two.
01:23:12
Speaker
All right. but Live Googling. This is, this is compelling content. Okay. So the show wrapped filming in October of 2025. We may see it this year.
01:23:24
Speaker
We may see it towards the end of 2026. I mean, i wouldn't be surprised if it was like a show that takes us from like Christmas into the new year, depending on how they decide to release the episodes.
01:23:37
Speaker
Uh-huh. Because that would be, you know, you you kind of, so you give Mando and Grogu like five or six months to breathe and to, you know, for people to have time to see it in the theater. You know, it's going to be in the theater, hopefully for a few months to give plenty of time for people to see it. Then, you know, you're going to have the inevitable home media release and then the eventual, you know, it'll be on Disney+. plus I think giving that film its time to grow and and be there and be part of the collective, you know, the, the star Wars kind collective consciousness.
01:24:11
Speaker
And then, you know kind of using soka to kind of bridge the gap in between that and star fighter. lo So I don't, I mean, I don't know what Lucasfilm's plans are, but I would think, you know, having the show premiere right around Christmas is probably not a bad idea. Yeah. I would agree with you on that.
01:24:31
Speaker
So hopefully, hopefully we're, we're going to see it by the end of this year. I do think I want to go back and watch Ahsoka season one yeah again. oh Cause I know i was lukewarm on the show, you know, when it first came out. So I do need to give it another chance and I do want to I do want to give it another chance and see if I can get into it and, and just, you know, having the the refresher of the events and everything will help too.
01:24:57
Speaker
Absolutely. I agree with you. I agree with you. That's kind of like what I'm doing right now to prep for Mando and Grogu's. rewatching season three of the Mandalorian started that last night. Nice. Nice. Yeah. So, all right. So good. So I can't wait to win our next episode. We can actually talk about the last two episodes of, of yes.
01:25:18
Speaker
Yes. So we'll be able to discuss the finale of mall. And by the next time we record, we'll have a chance to have seen Mandalorian and Grogu and, and give you our, our thoughts on that. I I'm, I'm excited. I can't wait to see a new star Wars movie on the big screen. It's going to be phenomenal.
01:25:37
Speaker
It's been far too long. It's been six and a half bloody years since we last saw a Star Wars movie on the big screen. Absolutely. Yep. It's time. It's time to bring it back. Agreed. And I'm just, I just want a good, fun Star Wars adventure that doesn't take itself too seriously, but is ah something that is enjoyable, right? Something that I'm going to want to rewatch, not just, you know, that initial hype of the first, you know, of the, of a new star Wars movie. I'm going to see it at least twice, you know, being a new star Wars movie in the theaters. I'm just hoping that it is something that I'm going to like, you know, feel is my is comfort that I can add to my comfort star Wars, you know, and it just one of those movies that I want that, that is going to be enjoyable, you know, yes over and over and over again.
01:26:27
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. Agreed. right All right. I'm not – I don't have lofty expectations. I just want it to be an enjoyable Star Wars movie.
01:26:39
Speaker
Absolutely. Just what like an old popcorn movie. Isn't that what George Lucas wanted a Star Wars thing anyway with his old popcorn movies? Exactly. And it it kind of has – from what I'm seeing in the trailers, it it captures that.
01:26:53
Speaker
that spirit of star Wars, know, as far as the, like the serialized, you know the serial nature of it, I thought, I think it captures it very well. Agreed. Agreed. ah All right. So that is our plan for our next episode. So any, any final thoughts on mall shadow Lord before we end our discussion?
01:27:15
Speaker
Not at this point. I think we got it pretty well covered. All right. Awesome. Well, until our next episode of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers, may the Force be with you.
01:27:27
Speaker
Or live long and prosper.