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OPE S3 Episode 2 Two Lousy Points?
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Aloha and welcome to another episode of OPE!! This week we fight through technical difficulties, trying to talk constructively about a bad preseason game and, once again roast a few bad takes! Please make sure to like and subscribe! also, check out our website ohanapackers.org for all our articles, shows and, merch store!
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Podcast Introduction and Technical Issues
00:00:31
Speaker
Aloha and welcome back to another episode of a Hana Packers edition pop. What?
00:00:38
Speaker
but Oh, you're good. Oh, it's don't edit that reason on my end again. Oh, no, he played the whole intro for me. Just just like the Packers. Oh, I know. But it froze halfway in the middle for me.
00:00:53
Speaker
Oh, but just like the Packers, Joe and I are excellent out of the gates tonight. But unlike the Packers, we did not shit the bed. It is StreamYard that is doing it for us. I'm Mike out in Honolulu. That's Iowa, Joe.
Packers' Preseason Game Overview
00:01:08
Speaker
Between the two of us, we combined to block the same number of defensive linemen as Royce Newman did today for the Packers and As such, our review will be about as concise as you'll get for a preseason game where no one of real significance played for the Packers. But there was a whole lot of excrement that hit the fan. Joe, I know we we kind of touched and went a little bit how I have no notes for this one today. But I mean, at least youre at least you got to celebrate your Hawkeye for making an interception today.
00:01:43
Speaker
Yeah, I, I had this conversation earlier with a couple other people. You can't be happy. You can't be sad. You can't be anything about this game because it's a preseason game. Yeah. And it was going to be one sided anyway, because the Packers played almost no starters and the Broncos played all starters.
Roster Decisions and Player Critiques
00:02:03
Speaker
So and long into the game too. They played the third quarter.
00:02:08
Speaker
And to be fair, what was the final score? It was only like 27 to two two. Okay. Well, the backups for the Packers still only gave up like, I don't even think it was 20 points. Was it 14? And then somebody got a pick six and that bumped it. They basically, basically the offense spotted the Broncos 10 points with, um,
00:02:38
Speaker
the long interception by um that the long interception that Clifford through and then uh Pratt got strip sacked that early in the third quarter so that pretty much gave away 10 points to the Broncos at that point but yeah other than that and then the rest of the points were scored in like no man's land in a nowhere like you said a nowhere preseason game so I know I've seen a couple of different reaction articles where it's like there are some problems and like you can't sugarcoat all of it there are definitely some issues that popped up today but at the same time like you said it's It's really hard. The two of us are digging into our other segments for this one because there's it's just really hard to draw any big conclusions from this game because um it it was a high school it was a JV versus VARSE game for all intents and purposes, being honest and realistic about it. And another thing I said was oh this happened to just solidify some of the 53-man decisions that need to be made.
00:03:43
Speaker
Uh, so, I mean, let's just go ahead and the offensive side. It showed that, you know, Royce Newman needed to be gone like yesterday. Uh, the, the backup quarterbacks as of the moment, aren't ready. I think that's the only decision that really is still going to be come down to the wires. She's going to be the backup this year, Pratt or Clifford.
00:04:10
Speaker
and who they think they can sneak on to the practice squad.
Offensive Line Depth Concerns
00:04:15
Speaker
ah I. I want to say. Maybe because he didn't get cut for this. that um yeah oh Well, and I even seen like Westendorf and them like pitching. Ideas for bringing in a veteran backup, which is all right, yeah, no problem, but.
00:04:39
Speaker
I had to talk, and my mom of course talked to me about the game and well, if Jordan Love gets hurt, you know, the Packers. We know that's going to be an issue. That's an issue with 90% of the teams in the NFL right now, but, and there is a big, but on this, he was also playing with fellows, third string, you know, second, third, fourth string players.
00:05:05
Speaker
It's if he were to play during the season, he's at least going to have starters. He's going to be starting offensive line. He's going to have starting receivers. He's going to have a starting tight ends. He's going to have a starting fucking defense. I mean, he's going to have his there or whoever take up takes up the backup role is going to have their starters if they have to go in for any kind of time season. So that's not to say that.
00:05:32
Speaker
that gives them a pass by no means. Yeah, it will paper mache over everything, but it itll it would make a difference to have guys that can actually make a simple block. right like what We basically found out, you the big one you pointed out is the O line. like We don't even need to go over the Royce Newman thing again because we've made our piece and several times over on that one. The biggest part I saw other than that is that what today's game proved is Green Bay does not have a swing tackle worth a damn on this roster right now.
Kicking Competition Analysis
00:06:05
Speaker
um It's not Andre Dillard. It's not any of the guys. We didn't see Caleb Jones play when it, quote unquote, mattered, where, you know, they played, um what's his, they played Telford and, oh, shucks, totally. Glover. They had Glover out there for a while. Yeah. And I thought he looked pretty decent.
00:06:28
Speaker
Yeah, he had his, well he had, he struggled at the beginning, but I mean, he would, I do think, you know, it's, it's comparing, it's comparing a polished poop to unpolished poop, but I thought he played better than Telford did, because Telford was about as useful as a cracked speed bump today. And I couldn't believe they played him at left tackle after they got Dillard out. and Yeah. Well, that goes back to what you said. They're trying to figure out what their swing tackle situation is going to be. Yeah. So you got to have them play both sides. I think Caleb Jones played a little well, but I spoiler alert, I don't think he's going to end up on the roster just because I think I don't either. I only use too many of his chances.
00:07:09
Speaker
Yeah, I only throw his name out because he's a guy that, you know, t different, different kind of player, different kind of athlete, but he got the Yosh treatment where they've kept them around for a couple of years kind of thing. But like you said, he's never, you know, Yosh at least had moments where you're like, maybe this guy should be, you know, maybe he should be moving up the depth chart kind of thing. None of these guys, they're all by default moving up. And unfortunately, they're just um you know, potato sack racing each other to get to the the swing tackle spot on this roster. So yeah, it doesn't leave you in um the the the biggest, warmest feeling of positions, but I mean,
00:07:50
Speaker
Yeah, it i think I think the number three offensive tackle is a way bigger concern than whoever quarterback two is, because as um was it Tom Moore, I think once said, we don't we don't um we don't practice for
Backup Quarterback Struggles
00:08:05
Speaker
screwed. So of course, he was the much more colorful term than I use. But yeah, so. um I mean, and to continue on with the offensive line, I think we found out tonight that the Sean Ryan at center experiment wasn't that great. He may be a guard, ah you know, a good guard, but I don't think he's that great of a, a center. Uh, and I don't think that Newman next to him. Yeah, no shit. And I don't think he's that great of a run block. I mean, he held up pretty good in past blocking, but Emmanuel Wilson and, and well,
00:08:46
Speaker
uh, Merriweather did a little bit, but the guys that were running the ball just couldn't catch him, you know, get a lane to get. I mean, Wilson at least fought for what he could get out of it. And his one good run, he had to still break a tackle in the backfield. So yeah, like it was tough sledding all day. I mean, basically, like you said, no one really had shining moments. Like there were like two or three guys who had a shining moment. Um, on offense though, it was just a lot of like,
00:09:17
Speaker
confirming priors as a lot of different guys will will use the term and it was Royce Newman is still who we know he was Tyler Davis still can't block a soul needs to be gone him and Newman need to both be gone and they can yeah he couldn't block he couldn't catch he couldn't You have that sequence where Davis misses two, um he misses two pretty relatively simple blocks on run plays. And then Newman gets dropped into Clifford's lap on what was the the play. Clifford ends up getting sacked after he rolls out. And then that drive gets extended via um Dan Whelan being the hero he is and selling ah roughing the kicker ah penalty.
00:09:59
Speaker
but And that's the other side of it. like For the whole first half of the game, the Packers' two best, most productive plays were two penalties. And yeah so one of them was that that roughing the kicker. And then the other one was a face mask after Clifford just, for whatever reason, couldn't handle a snap from under center. And that was ah it was a comedy of errors from the start. And it just like, yeah. I think they said we didn't even crack 70 yards of offense with Clifford as quarterback. so and it's pretty telling that I know it's not like you can't like you said you can't take too much from it but the fact that the floor was like I'm not even gonna send you out there to bother trying some kind of like 30 second drive with Clifford it's like yeah dude like you you totally screwed the pooch tonight Clifford
00:10:51
Speaker
and And Pratt, I think, is still just too raw. Because yeah he had Malik Heath deep, and he just way overshot him on that. yeah Yeah. He was too excited. He's like, oh my god, someone's open, and I have time. And yeah that's the one guy you can't air mail it to, because he's not going to catch up to it.
Wide Receivers and Special Teams
00:11:11
Speaker
And, but he had him wide open. I mean, he had the defender on his ass, but he still had like one or two yards separation on him that if he would have placed it better, he would have had it. So I mean, the next play, he had DuBose and he threw it like a foot over DuBose's head kind of thing. So yeah.
00:11:30
Speaker
And I think that battle is starting to settle as much as I hate to say it between Melton and DuBose just because, and we can talk about this a little bit later with special teams, but DuBose was playing, you know, played that gunner role a little bit better than Melton did. And Melton still struggled a little bit with with getting open and making the catch. Now, whether or not that's QB play or that's him just It's really hard. It's really hard to take anything from this game in terms of wide receiver production because the O-line couldn't block. The quarterbacks were just not able to see the field properly. And then even when they were, they were making off-target throws and stuff. So, yeah.
00:12:18
Speaker
Right. But even when the when the passes were coming, like there was the one like Weidrich where they had Melton pull like a ah running back screen or a halfback screen and he just couldn't do anything with it once he caught it. He was he was just stuck. And that one you got to kind of if the defense, even though the defense made a hell of a play on it, he still couldn't make that move to make that defender miss.
00:12:48
Speaker
And DeBose at least had a little bit of stats to put up. But like I said, the special teams is what's going to come down for those two. And DeBose had a couple of good plays as Gunner. And it seemed like Melton had one bad play as Gunner, if I remember.
Potential Special Teams Changes
00:13:08
Speaker
Yeah, he just didn't find the ball. Just didn't find the ball. And yeah, he went and hit the returner instead of looking for the football. So yeah.
00:13:17
Speaker
So I just, ah um I don't know, I just, I think, like you said, ger At the beginning, it's hard to judge off a lot of this stuff, but I do think a lot of the 53 man roster decisions were were're settled as today. I'm going to skip defense for the moment and go right to special teams because I said this is one of my knee jerk reactions at the end. I think Greg Joseph is not going to win the kicking competition. Yeah.
00:13:56
Speaker
um you know that was supposed to be what we brought him in for was to be able to kick in the conditions and he kicked it wide right yeah and from the left hash mark and like that was you know that was what we were kind of talking about with ummer and um bernie last week is like oh he kicks it straight down the middle kind of thing but it's like Well, yes, like you'd like every kick to go straight down the middle, but that was one where and we're kind of talking about it last week, how Anders did have that draw when he kicked it from the left hash last weekend. I know it looks like it's going on, but it's like Joseph won his kick. Didn't have a prayer tonight of making anything. He kicked he nailed that thing straight on it. It was going. It was going to Wyoming before it made any kind of hook.
00:14:44
Speaker
Yeah, that one bugged me because it's like you're on the left half mark and you missed it wide, right? We have a major issue here. I can understand and it was It wasn't even in like scraping distance of the right upright. He just launched that i don't think it hit the net in back of the field goal pose. So Um, so I, I think he's, I, I think if anything, they'll stick with Anders and try to stash that, uh, Ozzy on, um, the practice squad. If anything, you might see Hale get a kick next week, um, to maybe some kickoff attempts and yeah, see what, what what he brands to be fair. Again, there was only one field goal for the whole frigging game. So, but that's what you're hoping Joseph's can do.
00:15:32
Speaker
and he didn't. You know it's bad when they show like that I think Anders was gonna try the field goal at the end of the so the first half and you know it's bad when they show the kicker warming up on the net and then he looks out and he's like oh wait what happened because Clifford threw the bad interception and I know our friend Jason Peron like right before the interception he goes so who's getting this kick?
00:16:01
Speaker
and like seconds later never mind yeah so but we know Whelan is going to be the punter he had a good game I thought he had a good game tonight yeah I think there was only one punt that I don't know if he misjudged the wind or what where and it's one of those where it's mile high you don't kick your very often and um i don't yeah like you said i don't know what the win situation was because the one melted miss it bounced where it's supposed to at like the four yard line and if melton finds the ball that's tapped back into the field of play kind of thing and stuff yeah the other one he put it like six yards deep into the end zone but i think that one just kind of hung up on him and stuff so nothing nothing too upsetting
00:16:49
Speaker
Yeah. We know he's going to be the punter. We know Orzalik as of right now is going to be the long snapper unless they bring Bowden back for a third time or whatever. He strikes her out.
00:17:00
Speaker
but That's for who that's referring to. Yeah, I'm not sure either. ah Can you tell it's kind of late for us right now?
00:17:12
Speaker
um And there's nothing in this game worth talking about. It's like Ant-Man when he goes, everything is bad out here, guys. oh But I'm pretty confident to say that Anders wins the competition and they're just going to try stash and hail on the practice squad and just and give him kicks in practice and If it gets too bad with Anders, then they just go ahead and bring him up and, and get rid of all the guy to. Yeah.
Kicker Decisions Debate
00:17:48
Speaker
Unless after final cuts, there's a guy that they just can't not bring in. So I think I've read an article. Who was it was a Westendorf that read so or wrote something about two possibilities. And one of them was from the Browns and the other one was. Oh, York or whatever. Yeah.
00:18:09
Speaker
And then I think the other one was like Joey Sly. I can't, I think he's yeah answers right now. Yeah. And you know, unless something like that happens where it's a, just a can't miss guy and, and Anders is really shit the bed and you don't trust hail as of yet, then you just bring in. Cause the way it sounded from the practices, hail was doing pretty good. I think he was at like 90%.
00:18:36
Speaker
or something like that for his tries. And it's hard for him because you know everyone's like oh my god he's at you know 70 percent but it's like but he missed like two in the first day or whatever kind of thing and so that's you know that's like getting an F in your first class and it's gonna take a long time to bring that up so I think since that first day he's I think he's up in the high 80s or low 90s or something like that so I mean it is it is kind of wild how like you have a long snapper you have your punter and like you only have so many reps to practice kicking because like those guys you know you can do the i know that you want the quote unquote the live operation and stuff but you would think that you would just have those guys kicking on an end of the field where it's like just just give them up Or there's there's three practice fields at Lambo, or I mean yeah down the street from Lambo. You've got Nitsky with for the open public. You've got Hudson for the indoor facility. And then you've got Hinklefield on the other side that you can do out in the elements. Send the whole fucking kicking unit on the other side and just for the 490 minutes then it's worth of practice. Do nothing but good. Especially when you're doing these split squatt and um blitz squad practices and stuff like that. but
00:19:51
Speaker
Yeah, I think like you said this is just another one that it's gonna go by and and I do and okay And I know that there's a big part of it where people are gonna be like Anders is winning it by default There's an edge to that Joseph could have kicked better and that's always gonna be the case but Anders has you know, he hasn't had that many opportunities across two freezing games, but he's made his kicks in the preseason games I know he's had some rough practices here and there but at the same time he has relatively outperformed Joseph and I do think he is the better of the two at this new kickoff rule stuff so you know it all needs to get taken into consideration and hey I'll be with all of you if he misses an important kick again I'll be the I'll also be throwing my hat on the ground and stuff but
00:20:41
Speaker
yeah It's one of those where unless you find your Tucker or like a Chris Boswell like the Steelers have or something you're just hunting for that guy for as long and and Mason had his moments a few times in his career were like 2012 and 2018 he definitely probably should have been cut like no disrespect to Mason but he had a lot of faith build up in him that at times you're kind of like does he really deserve it you know like and And so, and you look at the 2012 season, a couple of these kicks that he missed, that could have cost them a home playoff game against the Niners that playoffs. So, you know, it is what it is. And you just hope that, you know, whoever does win the job is able to seize the opportunity and make the most of it. That's really what you're hoping for here. Well, that's what we were talking about all last year with Anders is,
00:21:39
Speaker
You know, I know it's hard to compare Mason and Anders, you know, but they're the two drafted kickers in the last, you know, 120 years or whatever it is. So you got to kind of compare um the big difference that we saw all the last year with Anders is if he missed a kick, he didn't let it bug him. We didn't have to worry about it throughout the rest of the game because he would come back and you for the most part be pretty solid for it. Whereas when we were with Mason,
00:22:09
Speaker
if he missed one, you knew he was good for missing more throughout the game because for some reason he was letting it get in his head. Yeah. So I just, like I said, I, I'm, I do by default think Anders one just because It's better to go with the devil, you know, than the devil. You don't and you at least to know what Anders is going to do for the most part. And at least he's got an upside to him. Whereas Joseph is at his point.
00:22:41
Speaker
Yeah, there's no up to him. There's only here and down because he's been that long in the in the NFL. I mean, he's not old by any means, but I mean, he's been in the NFL been around the block. Yeah. Yeah. So he's he's been in the NFL long enough that there is no he's at his ceiling.
Defense Analysis in Preseason
00:22:58
Speaker
There's no more upward momentum he can get.
00:23:04
Speaker
Yeah, and hail. We don't know I I wouldn't be surprised if the Aussie both and or Aussie and and Irish the Irish guy knew the kickoff ah rules a little bit better because just kind of watching a little bit of rugby in, in the Olympics, you can tell they know the kicks a little bit better and they can place them a little bit better for like kickoff stuff. So it makes me wonder if maybe he can, he'd be better off with the kickoff rules. I don't know. Did he spend any time in like the XFL or the UFL or anything like that? Um, yeah.
00:23:46
Speaker
Cause if he did, then he definitely knows better. Cause this is a rule adapted straight from that league. Yeah. I'm not super sure about that. Um, Oh, well, it doesn't matter. Uh, so let's go ahead and just jump with the defense then, huh?
00:24:03
Speaker
Yeah, more of the same. It's a lot of just, um, JV against the Vars. Halfly's not showing many, if any, cards. The one Blitz he called, the defense totally biffed it. I did tweet about it where, like, the play before, the couple plays before, Karl Brooks kicked someone's ass so hard that, um, they, you know, he drew a hold and, uh, what's it called?
00:24:28
Speaker
And um what's it? he you know He drew a hold, got the sack, and then um they they could have kept the sack and stuff. But you know they they ended up taking up the hold. And then Caitlin King misses a tackle on the sideline on third and long. But that was the play where it's like,
00:24:45
Speaker
okay like Halfly actually sends the house and then you got five of the guys running right into the middle of a blocker and it's like okay you gotta like attack a shoulder and try to go through the past of Leafs resistance so um but other than that like I said um Morton obviously had the highlight sack play um you had Welsh with the nice you know I know everyone's gonna say like oh but you know so I think it was Mosby who applied the pressure and then it deflected off of someone's hand and stuff but I was like that's still not an easy play like that those tipped balls that hang up there for what feels like a year those are some of the hardest ones to make because you you start to like salve you know as a defender you're like oh my god like what am I gonna do with this thing am I gonna house it and so and I appreciated that Wells caught it secured it and you know he got it back into positive territory and of course
00:25:38
Speaker
our offense did zilch with it but it was all not just that but usually with them pop-ups it allows more people to gather around so more mistakes can tend to happen you know because you've got like three defenders and three offensive players fighting for the ball so you know it can bounce around like that so he did well uh cocks have a sack he I thought he was doing pretty good all through the night. Yeah, just didn't look good on that one um he just didn't look good on that one touchdown run by Stidham because he got smoked trying to catch up to the play. But his pass rush was okay. It's just like I said,
00:26:23
Speaker
This is, and you you would like guy, you would, you do want to see guys win their one-on-one plays more often. But at the same time, I think Mike Wall said it on a locked on Packers episode where he's like, people, the average fan does not,
00:26:40
Speaker
give enough credit to the difference between a starter at the NFL level and a backup. like um there There is a distinctive talent difference and we saw it tonight. you know you have got yet ah a few guys There's a handful of guys that played tonight for the Packers that are either you know draft picks with upside or guys who have flashed in the past kind of thing and stuff and by the middle of the second quarter you're like oh my god can we just fast forward you know this is painful to watch and like do we have to you know do we have to track the rest of this game at this point kind of thing but so but it was good to see like I said you know Carl Brooks was one it was good to see him make plays despite playing with nobody around him you know for all intensive purposes he's up
00:27:23
Speaker
um a near starter you know he's like a 1A starter type of player and he's playing with guys who are not gonna make the final roster kind of thing so it's good and basically Denver did the thing you expect him to uh Brooks makes a play on first down and then the next two plays it's like we're triple teaming him he's not he's not getting any more single blocks but Yeah, because he kept getting pushed I mean hit with his speed he kept getting pushed out of Making the play a lot of times that from what I saw after he would get like one play and then the next play he was getting Washed out because they were using the momentum and his speed to get him out of the way Honestly, even though it won't show up in the stat line I thought Jonathan Ford kind of looked decent at holding his own um You know, like I said it what he wasn't making plays but he was taking up the blocks for other people to make plays
00:28:15
Speaker
i Don't think it's gonna do enough to keep them on you know Get him a roster spot which sucks because I do I was a big Jonathan Ford fan I think and and I know again to put the disclaimer out there I know it's hard to say anything because of just the way the whole team played I Was I think this had to be one of Enoch bar is worse games.
Defensive Tactics and Strategies
00:28:44
Speaker
I And he really struggled out there. I don't know what the issue is, but that was just from what I saw. I, you know, I could be completely wrong, but. Yeah, it looked, it looked like he was so in his head about, cause he had the one play where he, um, he's like reading the play action and then like, he gets his legs chopped out by the running back kind of thing and stuff. And you can see him like.
00:29:11
Speaker
kind of like going like this is a preseason game I shouldn't have to like think or you know there shouldn't be this many levels to a preseason game kind of thing so um yeah that was a little disappointing to see that you know he didn't have too much of an impact but you know Lucas was kind of quiet tonight too but also I do think I tie Lucas's more to like the lack of any sort of a game plan you know Halfly kind of just said yeah and and I know they do have some game planning that goes into these games but kind of was like it really was it really from what we can see it really did just look like Halfly was like go out there
00:29:48
Speaker
try to play at 100% you know just try to go at 100 miles per hour but we're not gonna you know there's nothing super sophisticated there's no like cross dog blitz from the inside linebacker or anything like that we didn't see you know like true a true mug look or anything you know like I think it was nice to see Oladapo get out there. I know he had like a rough first opportunity where he kind of like broke down in space a little funny and missed the tackle in space. But then the next play, you know, that that that run gets put called back for a hold. And then the next play he's lined up um in the C gap, I think, and then he comes through and makes the tackle at like for after a gain of one.
00:30:25
Speaker
um And, you know, he hasn't played much in, you know, so far in preseason. So it's good to see him just get some live reps against, uh, an actual opponent and get on the field and stuff. So, um, I want to say, uh, Kevin Harlan and John Kuhn said something about Halfley's defense that, and I'm trying to remember what the wording exactly was. They either said it was like,
00:30:50
Speaker
Halfly said that they were only going to work out of like three formations or three looks or something like that throughout the whole game. So we didn't see anything out of the defensive playbook. Yeah. It was just a very vanilla defense, which is another reason why when the starters for Denver were in there, they were right.
00:31:12
Speaker
right Um, I thought Evan Williams had a little bit of a weak game, especially he he got bailed out. i know Some people are trying to say it's a heady play, but it's like, you cannot like, okay. And I admit, I thought the play was a lot.
00:31:30
Speaker
like more legit than it turned like obviously when you see the replay and it's like oh yeah nix is very much across the line of scrimmage but live i was like why are they reviewing this like this is a waste of our time and then when you see the back the back view of it i was like the play starts i think on like the 10 yard line or something you cannot vacate I know that Nyx can run and stuff, but you cannot vacate a front pylon receiver to go chase the quarterback until he has he has definitively broken the line of scrimmage by a few yards. like yes i And that's the thing, it was like third and one. So it's like, if he if he breaks the line of scrimmage, he's got a first down. So don't worry about it. like You know what I mean? like You got to make the tackle, yes. But it's not like,
00:32:18
Speaker
stopping him from gaining two yards makes a difference like he just needs what he needs to trip over his own feet going forward and he's gonna get a first down so it's like play your responsibility but i and i do think that's a that was a moment of like oh i can light his ass up for once teammates yeah so and so it's one of those where i you know you're seeing so different people say like, oh, like he knew. I was like, I don't think i don't think he knew. like you and you And like I said, you cannot play it that tight. Because if you don't have the right replay angle, if the replay angle if the replay system craps out, you've just given up a touchdown for a gamble that's really not worth it. So yeah, you you cannot take that gamble. um I thought Bullard was OK. And that's OK. And so on the whole topic of like,
00:33:13
Speaker
halfly saying that but they're only drilling certain things. I know some people will be like, oh, like i I'm fine with it because it's a totally different system. you've got ah like Half the players are new and a chunk of them are rookies.
00:33:30
Speaker
so It's the whole, we've got to make sure our T's are crossed and our eyes are dotted at every turn we can. And it's kind of like what we dealt with with the receivers last year where yet all these young receivers, the two veterans have pulled their hamstrings in the preseason, and it took the first two months of the season for the for the rookies to catch up with the playbook. Halfly is trying to bring along all his young guys, but also he has to still cross train all his vets because they're not vets in his system. They're there rookies also. you know Intellectually, they're rookies in his system. so
00:34:06
Speaker
um I'm fine with him putting stuff on on paper. and you know And I saw Ughlem, he kind of made the like you know snarky remark about Sean Payton like putting shit on film like in a preseason game and stuff. And and on on one hand, it's like, yes, you do need to see Knicks execute different stuff. But on the other, it's like, you're running a double drag, cross the field, play action under route.
00:34:33
Speaker
it's like For all intents and purposes, Nick should be able to make that pass no matter what is happening. And it's like, you're gonna unveil that in week two of the preseason. So, I mean...
00:34:44
Speaker
to each their own and stuff. But I'm OK with Halfly going the route he is. Like I said, you'd just like to see guys make more plays than they did. Win your one-on-ones. Guys are going to get double teamed. Guys are going to be outmatched. I'm not at all surprised that Cortland Sutton and Tim Patrick got theirs against our backup to our backup secondary. Because those are guys who at different times have been pro bowl level performers in terms of their production on the field.
00:35:12
Speaker
I, it's, it's like, and then you go a step further and Sean Payton has to show he's a genius. So it's like, I'm going to run halfway deep into my playbook in a preseason game. So I'm fine with halfway just saying like, get, you know, get your work in.
Media Critique on Packers' Performance
00:35:30
Speaker
But like Lafleur said after the game, you would have liked to see better out of the guys too. So yeah that's the that's the, like you said, you can't be so upset about it, but you also don't have to be happy about it. And we we know Lafleur is definitely not happy about what he saw out there tonight. Well, and there was some stupid things that went on and you could see it was kind of frustrating Lafleur on the sideline because I mean, I'm not a lip reader by no means, but he was getting you know, pretty verbal over there. And especially on the the defensive lineman that jumped, uh, jumped the snap. it He just looks at him as he's running off the field and he says something to him yeah and they're just like, yeah, I can see him getting frustrated. But the one thing that I worried about, and this would be the thing that I would be working on all week this week,
00:36:22
Speaker
is they reverted back to just throwing shoulders and shit for tackling. Yeah. They weren't form tackling. They were just, you know, pushing and throwing their shoulders in hopes to knock them down. It's like, I understand you want to make the hit, but make sure you're taking the guy down. And and this is a week after we were just lauding them for how well they tackled against the Browns too. But yeah, like.
00:36:45
Speaker
Caitlyn King had two bad ones on the same drive. One was the the bad whiff on that third in long play where he broke all three of the critical rules from making a tackle at angle. He led with the wrong shoulder and led with the wrong shoulder and put his head on the wrong side of the guy. He didn't use his arms and he ducked his head at the point of contact. So it's like, you're guaranteed a whiff unless like the guy tripped over the grass after you pass by him kind of thing.
00:37:14
Speaker
so um well even Bullard did the same not really get did what uh King did but on one stop he just threw his body and threw his shoulder into it but he didn't wrap and the guy just like shrugged it off and got another couple of yards out of it so it just they kind of reverted so if it was me as a defensive coordinator That's what we're working on the whole next week here. Yep, yep, absolutely. But I think we'll just be talking in circles if we stay with this one any longer. I do want to give props to Morton just for his play. yeah being a nice It was a like very nice play.
00:37:55
Speaker
Yeah, it was, it was a very nice rip through and shed his blocker really quickly. And as, as much as we can bang on Zach Boser, there was nothing he could have done there because the only thing he could have done was save himself the hit, but that would have been a safety because it would have been grounding. So like, well, and that was on a, uh, uh, start to, you could see him stunting and Morton came through and. You know, for a guy, like I was going to say for a guy who's only been in the system for like a week or two, because he was picked up off flavors.
00:38:26
Speaker
You know, that was a hell of a play. I said, give him the game ball for the fucking game because he's the only one that scored any points. He made my roster just for that frigging play because he was the only one that scored any points. Just give him a real D lineman's number 60 on a defensive. That looks ah so bad.
00:38:48
Speaker
ah so yeah that's about all i've got too i mean like you said we'll just be talking in circles about it but yeah i'm just trying to think of anything off the top my head that was like egregious and half the game was just egregious so it was i i took a nap you know i we family was on. We were on the outer islands. Uh we're on the big island this weekend. We flew back at 8 AM m this morning. So, we're up at like four and I took a nap heading into the play into the game and about halfway through the second quarter, I was like, I should have just kept napping. I could have got the same thing I didn't sleep well last night and then I woke up a little bit earlier than I normally did so about halfway through I'm like damn I gotta to make me some tea I gotta to get some caffeine boost going on here otherwise we're not gonna record tonight
00:39:39
Speaker
um
00:39:41
Speaker
Oh, I got to find my stuff. This is how unprepared we are at the moment. But so you go you go work on the next segment. And basically LeFlore, he's kind of mum on the starters playing next week.
00:39:53
Speaker
um yeah
00:39:56
Speaker
very non-committal i i get the feeling that whether on some side the starters are going to make a push to try and just you know even if it is just one drive on each side i do think they're like we want to cease a little bit of action because because of the, you know, the the new setup with how preseason into the 17 week schedule goes, there's even with Green Bay playing on a Friday, there's like 10 days off between um the two, you know, between the third preseason game and the first regular season games. So those guys are going to, you know, and they won't have played since week one. and So
00:40:32
Speaker
um Hopefully, you get to see more of that. I know that they're still going to want to sit a bunch of guys, but you'd like to see Zach Tom get some live reps. You'd like to see um Rashid. You know, Rashid, as good as he looked week one, you'd still like to see him get as many live reps as he can get.
00:40:48
Speaker
um and maybe see the start, the backup quarterbacks behind some of these starting old linemen just to give them a chance out there. I know that they've got to play better on their own, but, um, get, you know, you can't just have turnstiles out there protecting, um, quote unquote protecting them. So, uh, Joe, that's your couple minutes. Have I bought you enough time on your head? Yeah, for the moment, I'm trying to decide. Obviously we're going to do our newest segment. Uh,
00:41:24
Speaker
Everything's messing up today. um But our boom roasted. there and There was numerous ones throughout the week that I kept an eye out on. And I mean, obviously I could go back to the weld to our good friend over at ESPN Milwaukee because he had a real wing dinger. I didn't get a chance to pull up the audio, but I do have the quote.
00:41:51
Speaker
And I just, I don't know. Didn't you say supposedly one of them reached out to you for the audio from last week? Yeah, sorry. so Alex, sorry. um I did not get a chance to go back through it. And that's Drew's whole thing is he was trying to find a a clip of it where he can use ah ah one that doesn't have an F-bomb in the middle of it. But I think we kind of went off the rails in that one last week just because between you, me, Ummer and Bernie, we were all like, what the, what the, what the bleep is going on out in the rest of the world. But, um, Well, we'll go ahead and do this one. And it's a quote from him. There's a 39 seconds, 39 second clip. Like I said, unfortunately I didn't pull up the audio for it this time, but the quote they have is from Kyle Wallace again.
00:42:43
Speaker
I have reports of Bo Nicks lighting it up. I don't have reports of Jordan Love lighting it up. Hopefully this was a wake-up call. A wake-up call for what? That Jordan Love wasn't worth the fucking money that you paid him or that the Packers paid him? Or maybe they weren't going to put everything in the world for everybody to see out in the open and they were just going vanilla to get the reps in? I mean,
00:43:11
Speaker
i I'm starting to really figure out that this guy is a major clickbait, shock jock type thing. and i don't I imagine he'll end up more and more on this show. He's probably getting more publicity from our handful of listeners than he does from his own freaking listeners. It just goes back to what we were talking about, how this preseason game went, where it's like, and and on Denver side, they do need to figure out who their starting quarterback is. They did use a first round pick on Bo Nicks and, you know. Well, that's the
00:43:48
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's the thing. They need to see what they have in Bo Nicks because they have no tape on him other than what was in college. Yeah. We don't need to prove it from Jordan Love because we saw what he did last year.
00:44:00
Speaker
Yeah. Wasn't great throughout the whole year. No, but it was enough that they trusted in giving him the most money. A quarterback is, you know, the highest a and it looked pretty damn good for his three plays last week. Sunday. I mean, J.T.O. Sullivan made a whole 16 minute video on how how impressed he was with his two throws and stuff. So, yeah, it's it's what it is. You know, like I said, I have no problem with the floor and halfly taking the meat and potatoes approach with this this week it It's preseason. My attitude has always been we don't need to see you do the extravagant and the special. We need you to be able to do the in and out, you know, the day in, day out work that, you know, can you block a three technique? Can you block duo as a run, you know, as a run blocker? Can you make a five yard hitch throw in rhythm and on time as a quarterback?
00:44:50
Speaker
That's all the shit they're working with with love. um you know i was you know the The most you know sophisticated thing they're probably doing is like, OK, let's take some deep shots and let's see how it's looking. you know is it Is it looking good in the the the um the the cross-match practices between them and the Broncos? Other than that, ah I don't care. And we saw it in the game, like, Lefler called the very basic playsets. We didn't see anything.
00:45:15
Speaker
you know, we didn't see any double passes or flea flickers or anything like that. Whereas, like I said, Peyton obviously went halfway deep in his playbook to make, ah you know, to make everything very easy for Knicks against, you know, half of these playing like soft cover three, soft cover two here and there. So it, go figure, it'll, it'll play out, but... Well, um and you said it that, you know,
00:45:40
Speaker
What the Packers are doing right now with their starters is just giving them reps to get them in condition.
Boom Roasted: Media Narratives
00:45:47
Speaker
It's not to get them, you know, this isn't, you know, week one of the regular season and we have to do game planning for, you know, the team. This is just to get reps and figure out what you have after you're starting 22.
00:46:06
Speaker
yeah So, for you to come out and say, well, it is, I hope this is a wake up call for, you know, Jordan Love or the Packers because of Jordan Love. No, it's not. Shut up. There. Is that clean enough for you, Strath?
00:46:20
Speaker
but
00:46:23
Speaker
No f-bombs. I think you could use that. yeah yeah and After I give him the clean audio, shut the fuck up. I mean, really, I have, like I said, I have a feeling every fucking week it's going to be, well, Kyle Wallace said this one or Kyle Wallace said that one. So do better. As Joey Swole would say, do better. Mind your own business. What else you got for us today? Um, we'll do two more since we didn't have much of a game to really talk about. Yeah.
00:46:58
Speaker
yeah Oh. I'm trying to think there was. ah Oh, xier like anyone? Yes, that's the one I was looking for. I was looking for my picture of it. I've been screenshotting these things. I just didn't happen to get them up on here. So Chad Forbes, who and the sex that I have to call out of Forbes because that's my grandma's maiden name. So, ah you know, for all your. um And for all you identity themes, you're not going to get anything but fucking student loan debt and, you know, whatever. So.
00:47:35
Speaker
But Chad Forbes, who's, ah and I don't know what he is, but his of Twitter handle is at NFL Draft Bites, so I don't know if he's like a draft guru or self-proclaimed or whatever.
00:47:52
Speaker
But this is the tweet he sent out just four days ago. like Xavier McKinney, 16.75 mil per season and 23 mil guaranteed. Justin Simmons, one year, eight million. Packers really overpaid for X.
00:48:10
Speaker
I know. Come on now. It just
00:48:17
Speaker
Simmons is older. That's a farmer at work right there. He's tilling his fields. Yeah. And I was going to look that up. Isn't Simmons like 30? or 29-ish. Yeah, so you have the age gap. You have the fact that Simmons, who is a guy that both of us would have been open to, you know, Gudukun's trading for last, you know, at the deadline last year. But it's like, if this guy is such a commodity, why is he signing when preseason is, forget, like, you know, it's not just after the draft. It's not after the first week of preseason or of free agency. You know, McKinney was at the top of the safety list in terms of free agency this year.
00:48:57
Speaker
Um, so there is a, you know, Green Bay did have to pay a premium for that. There's no, you know, there's no way around that side of it, but Simmons did not sign the first week of free agency. He did not sign the second week of free agency. He did not sign before the draft. He did not sign right after the draft. He signed week two of the preseason, 32 teams, including his own, who we played tonight said we do not, or I guess 31 technically, but even the Falcons didn't sign him until, you know, Monday or Tuesday or whatever that was.
00:49:27
Speaker
Yeah, that yeah, because like their their their safeties like fell off the side of the sidewalk walking to practice or something. Right. So they didn't sign him until they absolutely had to. So even they can be considered in this that nobody wanted him at this yeah point. It's the whole like Tom Brady got picked in the six round kind of it's it's the equivalent of that where it's like, ah you know, and I know where you're going is just like to compare costs. It's like, okay, like I said,
00:49:53
Speaker
Like you pointed out age, McKinney is 25, Simmons is like 30 or 31 or something like that. Well, I just had to look it up. McKinney just turned 25 on the 9th of this month. Simmons will be 31 come November. So there's a six year age difference between the two of them. One is just coming into his prime. The other one is coming out of his prime. There's going to be a money difference between the two of them.
00:50:20
Speaker
And honestly, that's worse that he's signing one week into preseason and he's not getting the vet minimum. like you And I know it's it's only one year, it's up but you paid like real money to get this guy to come to your team. And like you said, he definitely had leverage because he's like, you obviously need me to play here because you have- Well, and I don't even know what the contract breakdown was. ah How much of it is guaranteed? Yeah, how i didnt I didn't bother to look into it because I didn't care that much. But yeah, Well, I mean it's just my point on that is how easy is it going to be to cut him if he doesn't live up to You know that number because it's one year eight million dollars. So if he's only getting like 20% of it guaranteed He's an easy cut the the Falcons can say ah, you're done Well, we'll just bring in a couple of udfas
00:51:11
Speaker
for what we just spent on you. He's not part of the future. He is a band-aid on a broken leg at this point for the Falcons. Yeah, there's a cost difference, but it's Green Bay is looking at McKinney to be a part of their hopeful Super Bowl contingent the next you know three to four years.
00:51:31
Speaker
ah Simmons, like I said, like we both said, 32 teams looked at him. Green Bay had a lot of people going. They should sign him. They should sign him. We didn't know what in the NFC or NFC North did. Yeah, it's whatever. yeah yes So ah again, mark up a different tree. Shut the fuck up. Maybe that's what this segment should be is just shut the fuck up.
00:51:57
Speaker
right My last one is a non football one But I had to do this because this this person really kind of pissed me off with their take And I know it's gonna kind of hit you a little bit because you are a fellow dog owner but the this person ah Mindy there at Mindy is er r and I only caught this from like a retweet and this is the the the post and the added post to it. I still love my dog but I worry slash care about her a lot less since my baby was born. She gets all of her needs met but the affection I feel for her has just decreased. I think it's perfectly normal to feel this way and most of my friends do and then she had to clarify because she was really getting called out on this that
00:52:49
Speaker
I'm not saying neglecting or abusing your pet is good to be
Pets and Parenthood: Maintaining Affection
00:52:53
Speaker
clear. It is bad. I just don't care about my pet as much as I used to. It's sad because everyone told me this would happen and I was so indignant and shocked and it turned out that everyone was right. I don't know who the everyone in your fucking circle is, but they're wrong.
00:53:13
Speaker
Yeah, I like to say, you know, and someone who's like in her position, obviously I'm not a mom, I'm a dad kind of thing, but as someone who's in her relative- Right, but you have kids. Yeah, and have dogs, but it's like, you don't love your dog less, it's just that there are other beings that need your immediate attention all the time, but I don't love, I don't love my lab any less, I don't love my Rottweiler any less, if anything,
00:53:41
Speaker
they'll probably keep me a little more sane at times than my kids do but just because um they're they're a little more willing to put up and shut up with it when I tell them to. but Sorry Marisol, I'm just kidding mostly. but but um and and The two of us, we talk about it all the time where you know we will kind of stop and be like, do you think you think they're still happy right like they're you know we're talking about the dogs where we're like you know we we so we have to because we have to you have to take care of your kids kind of thing you you have to invest a lot of time to make you
00:54:15
Speaker
Jalen is four. Our daughter has just turned one this year. And it's like, they're at that stage where they can't take care of themselves. Whereas the dog is like, as long as you feed them and, you know, take care of wherever their living situation is, they're pretty, you know, you take them on walks and stuff like that. But it's like, they're relatively self-sufficient, you know, like,
00:54:34
Speaker
20 out of the 24 hours of of a day, you know, and, you know, obviously it helps that a bunch of it is spent sleeping, but no, like I do not love my dogs any less. Like if anything, the, like they've, the dogs and the kids, they cross enrich, you know, my feelings for each kind of thing. That's, that's the way I look at. So yeah, well I do not recognize that whole light thing.
00:54:58
Speaker
Yeah. that That's the thing that how many videos do you see where the dog and the, the kid are like sleeping together and riding in in strollers together or and wagons together, or the kid and the dog are playing with each other. That doesn't seem like they get cared for less because the kid comes along. I fully am admit I don't have kids, but my dog is my dog.
00:55:27
Speaker
i you know I don't think there's anything in the world that could make me care for my dog less. Whether it be a kid, whether it be a spouse, whether it be anything. I don't think there's anything because, and this isn't to say anything bad about relationship or anything like that, but they're called man's best friend for a reason.
00:55:57
Speaker
Yeah, because that dog is going to be there for you no matter what. They might get pissed off at you because you didn't give them the treat that they wanted. They might, you know, feel bad because you had to go for a work, go to work and they got left at home or whatever. But what happens when you get home? I know mine, mine's sitting right by the door and jumping on me and everything else because I'm home. Yeah. or All I got to do is say, hey, it's bedtime. And the next thing I hear is little pitter patty walking, you know, right across the floor to come in and go to bed. They are the loyal companion. Yeah. And they're going to put it. That's why it's even. And I I'm not saying this. I. That's why even to a point, an abused dog is still loyal to its owner.
00:56:55
Speaker
dogs put up with a lot. And that's why, like you said, not just the videos of like, you know, dog relating to pregnant mom kind of thing, dog relating to newborn child and all that kind of stuff, but it's the whole like, you know, all the like, we don't deserve dogs, tweets, posts, all of those and stuff. Like, yeah, there's a, you know, dog, not Stockholm, it's dog home syndrome, whatever they have kind of thing and stuff. And yeah, like,
00:57:24
Speaker
Like, I have one with with Bucky my lab where I accidentally opened the door on his tail. And I felt so horrible because I he shrieked like, and like, loudly labs are one of the most pain like
00:57:43
Speaker
They're like, yeah, like you can like grab your lab, you can twist their like skin, you know, you can do, and and that's it, like, don't come after me, Peeta. I'm not saying to do this, but I'm like, they're pretty robust and like, ho-hum, you know, like, you can like flick them and you just can hear like the little humming music coming out of their head. When I opened that door on Bucky's tail, the shriek he let out, I like jumped to because I was like, oh my God. And then,
00:58:08
Speaker
And then when I got the door off his tail and got him out, and when I was apologizing to him, he looked at me like, thank you for saving me from the door that attacked me. And I'm like, oh, no, dude, I totally did that to you. And he's just like, Daddy, thank you. Thank you. I love you so much. Thank you for saving me from the evil door. We just had an issue earlier.
00:58:33
Speaker
We just had an issue earlier yeah during the game that me and my dog were sitting and watching it. And all of a sudden something in the house just started letting off this just horrendous screech. And it sounded like a fire alarm, but it wasn't a fire alarm. It ended up being the carbon monoxide alarms battery was going dead. And my dog has her ears are so sharp because she's a beagle. She's a beagle. So she's got her hunting instincts and all that stuff.
00:59:02
Speaker
and she was getting upset and she was all this so I had to sit down after figuring out what it was and pick her up and hold her because she was freaking out because this freaking alarm was going off and it's like okay okay it's all right the bad noise is gone the bad noise is gone but on the other hand they do the same thing for us I remember when I finally got back in December, one of the hardest things to do was keep my dog out of my room. And she didn't understand why she was having to stay out of my room. and It's like, Navis, I don't want to take the chance of you getting sick with what I've got.
00:59:44
Speaker
and I know there's studies and everything that it don't you know that doesn't matter whatever but it's still there's a slim chance of that happening yeah and just the hurt that I would see in her eyes when I would come out of my room to go to the bathroom or get something to eat or whatever it's like Davis I'm sorry so I after I got better I had to spend like three weeks just cheering her back so
01:00:11
Speaker
so ah But back to this, it was a bad point. Again, I don't know who your friends are, but they they sound awful evil. Maybe you need a new friend group. You definitely don't deserve a dog. um I'm sure somebody else would take better care of it. And also on the dog topic, be sure to adopt not buy.
01:00:38
Speaker
Um, there's a lot of dogs out there that really could use your love that are already in lockups.
Podcast Conclusion and Engagement
01:00:45
Speaker
Don't feed the puppy mills and the breeders and stuff like that. Go get you somebody that's going to show you unconditional love from because you rescued rescued them from the pen. That's my PSA for this episode. Yep. And yeah, they're like you said, there's many things like it's a,
01:01:08
Speaker
It's really great to come home to your kids and it's really great to come home to your dog. They're similar, but they're also different, like in the in good ways. And I don't mean that I would ever pick one over the other. There's just, there's there's great thing, like your kids can eventually talk to you. Your dog will always look at you in a special way that is never going to go away kind of thing. So yeah, um yeah. like When my dog talks, I would rather listen to my dog talk and then the kid talking.
01:01:37
Speaker
Because my dog talking is laughable. yes but
01:01:43
Speaker
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01:02:30
Speaker
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01:02:50
Speaker
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