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Bonus Zone Watch Along: Kevin Owens Vs Roman Reigns Royal Rumble 2017
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Join us in watching Kevin Owens vs Roman Reigns from the 2017 Royal Rumble!
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Introduction of Bonus Episode and Collaboration
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome back to Predetermined. I'm Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, is Derek Halpin, your co-host, the host with the mostest, the showstest. God, it's been a minute since we've just done regular Predetermined.
00:00:18
Speaker
This isn't technically regular predetermined, Garrett.
Nostalgia and Quarantine Reflections
00:00:21
Speaker
This is technically the bonus zone. This will get introduced as the bonus zone later. We just wanted to come in and drop a little conversation on top of an old bonus zone.
00:00:35
Speaker
We've been busy. We've been hard at work with our collaboration with the, uh, the, the boys of, uh, best and the best ever. Right. Best there ever was. Best there ever was. I froze up. Sometimes it's easier to just say the curtain jerks. It's like fucking, uh, Apollo Creed and Rocky, man. They've got so many names. The curtain jerks, the best there ever was.
00:01:02
Speaker
Quarantine. Chris, Jim, that's just too fucking many names. Too many names to remember when we have a hard enough time remembering our name anymore. Speaking of, how's quarantine going?
WWE Raw Underground Analysis
00:01:17
Speaker
Do you remember your name?
00:01:18
Speaker
I do remember my name for now. We'll see if by the time this is over, if I still remember. It's wild. I had talked to you earlier today and I had said, you know, maybe if I'm interested in putting something out, how about going back in time and grabbing something we recorded back in February. We did a watch along recording and we're bringing that out of storage from six months ago.
00:01:45
Speaker
Little less than six months, but about six months. So how are you feeling about, it's kind of like time traveling. This is a time capsule from right before the shit storm hit.
Creative Decisions in WWE
00:01:56
Speaker
It's true. I bet there's things we complain about in that episode that we'll never complain about ever again. I doubt it.
00:02:07
Speaker
But it's also kind of fun because for this watch along where is, let's cut through the crap. WWE has been absolute dog shit for quite a while now. And this is going back in time about four years, four years ago. And even then a lot of people were complaining, but I can tell you by comparison now, this time period that we do a watch along for is way better than what we're currently seeing.
00:02:32
Speaker
Just so we can talk a little bit about what's happening right now. They kind of ripped off GCW a little bit this Monday. If we're keeping it relevant, yes, this week on Monday Night Raw, they decided that Shane McMahon is allowed to start a fight club. Basically, Josh Barnett's blood sport. Shane McMahon's Raw Underground.
Current WWE Programming Skepticism
00:02:58
Speaker
It's completely different.
00:03:00
Speaker
It's completely different. And again, there's a lot of things you can say about it because I remember looking at it and going, Oh, that's interesting. I feel like I've seen that before. What's the point of setting up a ring and, and having the ring posts there, but no ropes attached. Like why are there, why are the posts there Garrett? Why are the turnbuckles present?
00:03:20
Speaker
It's more dangerous and it lets you know it's still wrestling. If somebody's just flipping by Fox or USA, I guess, and sees just nothing, what is that? Is it even wrestling? I don't know, but it might have boosted their fucking ratings if they thought that it wasn't. How did their ratings do with bringing Shane O'Mac in?
00:03:42
Speaker
I don't know, I'm sure I could find out as soon as we stop recording this, I'll know. I'm sure Meltzer and Alvarez have something to say about it. But the pre-determined boys don't.
00:03:54
Speaker
I really haven't been watching. My roommate earlier this week was like, did you show no max coming back tonight? This is on Monday. And I was like, yep, I did. And he's like, you excited about it? I'm like, I'm not watching, man. I don't feel compelled. We've been having other things to occupy our minds though. We've had hockey.
Community Engagement and Listener Shoutouts
00:04:14
Speaker
Oh yeah. And actually for me, a blues game starts in 10 minutes. Oh, that's exciting.
00:04:20
Speaker
and I still have to go vote, so I've got a lot going on in the next couple hours. Oh, well, well, I won't try to keep you too long, but we felt like we needed to record something current to set up this new episode, so. So what, so you're telling me WWE's version of Bloodsport doesn't excite you? I mean, I like that seven foot tall guy they brought in there to throw everybody around, I guess. You liked it? No.
00:04:51
Speaker
Well, that's what you said. Yeah, well, I realized that and then there was also no tone to my voice that said I was kidding. So just like, do you like it? Yes. Do you like it? No, not really.
Revisiting Past Wrestling Events
00:05:03
Speaker
But for the purposes of this show, sure. Well, I didn't like it when GCW did it. So why would I? And that was Nick Gage versus Killer Cross. I think it's one of those things where I don't. This is like the Vince Russo style of booking where it's like
00:05:21
Speaker
We know we're watching all 100% fake fights, but within the fake fight universe, there's people saying, no, those are fake fights. These are real fights.
00:05:34
Speaker
As long as the fight takes place in a dimly lit room with strippers and people like wearing dress shirts and cheering and pounding on the ring, like then it's real. But if, you know, if there's high production quality and lights and LED boards, the performance centers is a little too sterile for it to be a real fight, Garrett. Is this going to turn into that boxing tournament eventually? The brawl for all.
00:06:00
Speaker
Yeah, is this just setting up to where somebody's gonna beat the shit out of that seven foot tall guy?
Fantasy Wrestling Scenarios
00:06:05
Speaker
Let me ask a more important question. If Nick Gade showed up on Raw Underground every week, would you be a committed WWE viewer again? Well, yeah, because then it makes...
00:06:22
Speaker
Duh. It's not MDK part of the day. It's MDK all fucking day. Even on Monday nights. That's going to be Roman Reigns' punishment for not working through coronavirus. He's coming back and jobbing to Nick. You would probably shit sideways if you heard that Nick Gage signed a contract with NXT, wouldn't you? NXT? That's the funniest place to send Nick Gage.
00:06:52
Speaker
why why is that i don't just picture is he heel is he face he's definitely going to kill undisputed era i just i giggle inside at the thought of somebody like like when he signs his deal i mean like what we're going to do is we're going to send you nxt because you need a little bit more seasoning
00:07:10
Speaker
And he's like, I've been a fucking wrestler for 20 years. And they're like, Nick, we hate to tell you, but you really haven't been a wrestler. You've been a professional ass beater for 20 years. Like your stuff is like, you're going to be great. We have this concept. We're going to include Shane McMahon, but we got to get that started soon. You just hold your horses. And here in a couple of months, you're going to make your debut on a show called raw underground.
00:07:35
Speaker
It's built for you. This is a program built for Nick Gage. You're right. We're going to build up this seven foot tall guy for a few weeks. And then after a couple matches, Nick Gage comes out, saws his head off with a pizza cutter, and we move on to the real show.
Quarantine Hobbies and Content Creation
00:07:51
Speaker
You don't know how much you want to see Nick Gage jam a light tube in a Baron Corbin skull until it's on your television set every Monday. Trust me, I know exactly how badly I want to see that.
00:08:06
Speaker
I just want to see Roman Reigns square up to Nick Gage and say this is my yard. And see how he responds to that. Basically putting Nick Gage in any wrestling scenario other than GCW is just fucking hilarious.
00:08:29
Speaker
205 live. Yep. Just, just carving up Jack Gallagher, Gallagher gauge with the money in the bank briefcase. It's just fucking hilarious. And it's filled with razor blades. Uh, Derek, I've been watching a lot of bad movies lately to pass the time and that is, that's been my other hobby.
00:08:58
Speaker
Well, if there's one thing you know something about, Jared, it's bad movies. I watched Showgirls the other day. And God damn it, does that movie hold up. Really? No, it's really bad. But it holds up as a bad movie.
00:09:21
Speaker
Is that gonna be the theme for the for this intro here is you saying something sounding like you're serious me going really and then you being like no no not at all I think you should go back and watch showgirls though it's on Hulu give that give that a watch Derek I'm telling you I'll only do it if I can do a double feature with showgirls and striptease hey I am in if you need that to happen I will be there for you
00:09:47
Speaker
You want to do like a four hour long watch along with two movies that people would not expect us to cover on this podcast.
Rewatching Ruthless Aggression Era
00:09:55
Speaker
What am I kidding? Do people really have expectations for us at this point? They've lost all expectations. Quarantine has really lowered the bar.
00:10:04
Speaker
Well, apparently we've been doing pretty good though. People have been tuning into the podcast every week and downloading quite a bit of stuff. That's true. That's true. And I just really missed you guys. I wanted to come and just, you know, say hi, say hi. We've got, we had to drop by. We didn't want to leave you hanging. Any of our listeners you want to give a shout out to? Oh man. Mention people by name, make them feel special.
00:10:31
Speaker
Oh. Well. Jeff. Teagums. Jeffy Wrestling, AKA Dalton. Lowell. Lowell. Fucking Lowell. Matt Armstrong.
00:10:46
Speaker
I'm trying to, now it's just like, do we know, how many names of our listeners do we know? All of you that I don't know your names, I love you all the same. Keep fighting that fight. Bradley.
00:11:02
Speaker
Start naming everybody we know. I'll tell you, I've been doing a fun thing and I'm getting ready to start up part two of this fun thing. I decided to go back to July slash August of 2003 and I am watching some ruthless aggression era SmackDown every week. I'm picking one episode and I'm watching it in real time as it would have happened on the calendar anyway.
00:11:32
Speaker
So who are with what you're watching right now, who are like the what's some of the the best programs we got going on? So I started I think it was the July.
00:11:46
Speaker
It was like the last SmackDown of July in 2003. And they just came off of a pay-per-view in which Brock Lesnar faced off against Kurt Angle in the big show in a triple threat match for the WWE Championship. And he lost the title to Kurt Angle. Kurt Angle is now a super babyface. And Brock Lesnar and Angle have that whole competitive but friendly relationship thing going on.
00:12:13
Speaker
Um, so we're, we're getting a match between, uh, I think it's this, and that's this next episode I'm about to watch. I think it's Vince McMahon versus
Exploring 2003 WWE Storylines
00:12:21
Speaker
Brock Lesnar with, uh, Kurt Angle is the referee. What the hell? Um, here's the other, the other exciting thing about doing this is since I know what happens in the next year, cause it's technically on the road to WrestleMania 20 Eddie Guerrero is currently in a feud with Tajiri.
00:12:39
Speaker
And Chris Benoit is currently in a feud with Rhino. And I know that by April, they're going to be the champions at WrestleMania. That's quite the rise, isn't it? It's fucking wild.
00:12:58
Speaker
It's part of what I wanted to go back to this era because SmackDown was always on, I think it was still on UPN at this time. But I didn't get the, I couldn't watch it until Saturday night when it played on our local station. I think it was like KHQ area or whatever. So I didn't get to watch this stuff fresh. I always got to watch it a couple days later. So now, obviously this is years, years later, but I'm going in order and I'm trying to take myself back to watching it regularly.
00:13:27
Speaker
It's just fun. It's a fun little homework assignment to give myself to have like a weekly era to drop into. I kind of want to join you on this. It's like it's it's easy. It's like an hour and a half. You can just put it on the background and you're just there's no commercials. So it goes by really quick. And you're just doing all that on the network. Yeah. On the network, which for whatever reason, I still have a subscription to.
00:13:54
Speaker
I was just thinking, I have that too, and I don't know the last time I touched it. Is it true if you don't use it, you lose it? Is that a serious question? No. No. I don't think we're going to come up with a better way to transition into the watch along. But Garrett, why don't you set this one up?
00:14:22
Speaker
Oh, I'm just going to take it, just send it on over to whatever we already recorded. Well, we have a nice little watch along here for you. So if you're going to need the WWE network for this one, unless it happens to be on their YouTube channel is one of their free matches. And in which case, if that's like, then it won't even work then because we, the timestamp will be all off. So you got to have the fucking network. Sorry about it, boys and girls. This means Jim and Chris can't do this with us because they don't have the network.
00:14:52
Speaker
Kevin Owens, Roman Reigns, Universal Championship, Royal Rumble, with Chris Jericho hanging above the ring in a shark cage. We thought that would make for a fun watch along, so I don't know, stick around and listen to that. And just listen to see what our voices sounded like when, you know, we didn't live in sea land.
00:15:14
Speaker
the enthusiasm for life back in February. Just two buddies hanging out on a couch. We were having the time of our lives. Just saw a great pay-per-view. Had no idea that we weren't going to see each other ever again. Those were naive times. Ignorant times. And that's the name of this episode.
00:15:36
Speaker
and stick around. We got a nice watch along for you guys. Thanks for continuing to listen
Royal Rumble 2017 Watch-Along Setup
00:15:42
Speaker
to the podcast, by the way. We love you.
00:15:45
Speaker
Bonus zone. Is that how you do it? Yeah, you gotta go. Bonus zone. Can we get? Man, we were next to that fucking Neil Pert, Neil Pruitt, whoever the fucking Neil Pert. May he rest in peace. We were at Starcast for all-in weekend. We were sitting next to the guy who did the NWO voice. Oh, that's right. We very easily could have pulled him aside and been like, can you do a predetermined
00:16:14
Speaker
Podcasts you just give us a bonus zone. Just can you give us? No instead now we have to just kind of poorly mimic that Not even we're doing okay. Well, what are we doing today Derek? Well, I feel like I'll introduce this one because I feel like I'm queuing it up I'm picking it Everyone knows my affinity for one Kevin Owens, but we're finally doing a watch along for a Kevin Owens match and
00:16:38
Speaker
I hope you guys are excited to watch this one with us because I feel like there's a lot of entertainment value in this one. We're watching from Royal Rumble 2017. Kevin Owens defending his Universal Championship against Roman Reigns and Chris Jericho is going to be put in a shark cage above the ring to prevent interference and
00:17:01
Speaker
Just tell me there's not entertainment value in that sentence alone. Was the Shark Cage, was this around the time they made that Shark Cage toy? Yes. So they started doing like a few Shark Cage matches. So I think they debuted the Shark Cage in NXT because I think they put Enzo in it or something, didn't they? Well, maybe Enzo, but they definitely put Paul L. Ring in there. Okay, that's it. Yeah, maybe that's what I'm thinking of.
00:17:24
Speaker
So I think Vince saw it in NXT and he's like, all right, I guess we'll try it on the main roster. Put Chris in there. Something funny about an established WWE veteran getting that. Well, the same with Paul L ring. It was just like they put an old man in the cage above the ring. Regardless of how terrified you are of heights.
00:17:46
Speaker
This is obviously one of my favorite periods for Monday Night Raw. I think at the time there were a lot of people who were like, rules not that great, but I think now people are looking back on it and going, man, actually the Jericho and stuff was a really good period for Raw. I don't know what we were complaining about.
00:18:06
Speaker
I mean, I don't remember what else was going on at that time. I guess we could probably go back and listen. We could go back and watch some stuff in that period, but nevertheless, we're on the road to, God, what WrestleMania would this have been? This was the one in Florida with the giant roller coaster ride. 33. Yeah. So Owens is in the final weeks and months before he loses his title to Goldberg.
00:18:32
Speaker
So he loses it to Goldberg then gains the United States title from Jericho at WrestleMania. Did Jericho already have it at this point? So when Jericho and Owens were a faction on Raw they had a handicap match against Reigns where Reigns was the United States champion and they just did the unexpected thing where the two guys just beat the one guy and Jericho got the United States title and so they were double champions is how they put it.
00:19:02
Speaker
So, yeah, so I guess the story behind this match is Jericho's been helping Owens defend that title for months. And the idea is, well, we're going to prevent that because we're going to lock Y2J's ass up in this shark cage and dangle it above the ring. And then what's Owens going to do? Now he's got to fight the big dog one on one.
00:19:23
Speaker
I'm just excited we get another Roman Reigns match. We're working a Roman Reigns match into a watch along. That doesn't happen often. There's a lot going on here. My guy versus your guy. That's fair. Whatever. With Y2J looking on and carry in the front row with his squared circle shirt.
00:19:44
Speaker
getting ready, everyone knows who Kerry is, right? We've talked about him on here and plus to the, well, did you tell him where we're at in this? I'm getting ready to. So if you haven't already, yes. Royal Rumble 2017, pull that up on your WWE network. 27 minutes, 51 seconds in, get that shit ready. We'll give you, we'll give you a minute.
00:20:06
Speaker
And are you excited about this? Do you remember anything about this? No, I do remember this match. I am a little excited because this is kind of right in an era where it's long enough ago that I haven't really gone back and rewatched any of this.
Kevin Owens vs. Roman Reigns Match Reactions
00:20:23
Speaker
Spoiler alert, while you're queuing this up, like I said, 27 minutes, 51 seconds in, Suplex and Stilettos makes a cameo in this match. Oh, yeah? The camera cuts over and you will clearly see her.
00:20:35
Speaker
If you're still listening to the podcast, podcast suplex and stilettos, we'll probably point you out here a little bit. We might mark out a little bit, but get your, get your thing queued up. We're getting ready to do it. Garrett, do you want to count this down? How are you propping them up? Keep in mind, we're going to go on, it's going to be three, two, one, go. We're going on go, not one. You guys ready? Let's do it. Okay. Three, two, one, go.
00:21:05
Speaker
All right. Fucking smiley. Green smiley face shirt guy. Oh, man, I missed this period already. Look at the black and red Titan Tron and the epileptic seizures, the epileptic seizures you're going to get. Has it been a while since you've watched. Scarf Jericho. Oh, I haven't watched any of this since it happened. Look at those friends. They're so cute together.
00:21:35
Speaker
Man, I miss this version of Jericho. I miss this time period. This, I'm so excited to watch this again. This is actually a good match, and the action does spill on the outside. When it rains, he boards. God damn it, I see the sign that somebody was holding. He said, you're gonna hang me above the ring like a sexy pinata.
00:22:03
Speaker
What was everyone upset about this time period for? Well, I think we were tired of Roman Reigns at this point, right? But he wasn't the champion. I'm guessing, though, that he's about to get booed out of the building when he walks down the ramp. Well, they popped hard for KO. Look at that thing. That is a delight. Man. This was a...
00:22:35
Speaker
Miss those miss those. Where are we at? Are they in a stadium? Oh, God, I wish I could. I mean, I guess I could pull that up while we're watching, but like it definitely looks bigger than an arena where we're at right now. Look at Jared. Go check in that thing out as if this is the first time he's seen it. Yeah, the crowd is definitely they know what's coming. Oh, there's fucking sign guy haven't seen this place is huge.
00:23:05
Speaker
I'm pulling up the Royal Rumble from 2017 on my Wikipedia. Who won that year? Was this a Roman Reigns year? Did he lose this match and then go win the Royal Rumble? No, because he didn't, he did headline WrestleMania, but it wasn't for a title. He fought the Undertaker. He fought it, yeah. So the universal title match was Goldberg Lesnar. What was the WWE title match then?
00:23:37
Speaker
Wyatt versus Orton. That's right. So that means Randy Orton won the Rumble. And there was all that tension over whether or not he was actually going to cash in because he was in the Wyatt family at the time. And then he ended up, it was very anticlimactic. This takes place in the Alamo Dome in San Antonio, Texas. The attendance was 52,020 people. And yes, they are booing the big dog, much to the surprise of nobody.
00:24:07
Speaker
I'm trying to remember if I ever actually participated in booing the big dog. Or did I just stand around and let it happen around me? That seems more in character for you to be like, I'm taking in the moment. Because I think you had to do that when you saw that the young bucks were getting cheered in Chicago. You had to digest that for a minute. Look at already talking shit.
00:24:38
Speaker
Remember how mean everyone was to him and then he got cancer? Are you saying that everyone being mean to him gave him cancer? No, I'm not saying that those are directly related, but... You're saying that everyone... Hey, see that guy holding the Leonard sign? Yeah. Uh, Bania32 waited in line outside with him to get in. Really? Yeah. So... Big Natty Heart fan. So you had seen him prior to this?
00:25:05
Speaker
Because that was at Mania 32, they were on their way to Mania 33. Yeah, because we stood in line with that guy and then when I went and watched it back I realized, oh shit, he was in the front row. Oh shit, he's in the front row of all these shows. Of course there's a guy in a Cubs jersey like in the front fucking row. There's always one. They're everywhere. There's always one. I am so excited to see how Jericho doesn't want to get into that cage when the match starts.
00:25:35
Speaker
Is it wild to think that you didn't know it at the time, but this was essentially quite possibly Jericho's last run in WWE until the end of time because of him going to AEW?
In-Depth Match Analysis
00:25:47
Speaker
Damn, that's right. This could be it. What would have been his last match? His last match technically.
00:25:57
Speaker
I think, and I'm glad that you brought this up because it brings back a fond memory, I think he did the Greatest Royal Rumble, the one that Braun Strowman won. I think he went to Saudi Arabia with him because I distinctly remember Owens was in the ring for the Greatest Royal Rumble and when Jericho's music hit and he looked and Jericho appeared on the ramp, I think Kevin yelled at him, go back to Japan.
00:26:27
Speaker
I still say stupid idiot all the time now. I don't know if it's because of him. It didn't hurt. It definitely popularized the... I promise you those red lights are blinding everybody in that crowd right now. I just paid $50 to sit up here and not see a show.
00:26:47
Speaker
Okay, one thing, I don't know that referee's name. They're never gonna tell me that referee's name. I do appreciate that AEW right now tells me every referee's name and makes them part of the show. They are. They go out of their way to be like Mike Knox.
00:27:04
Speaker
I'm gonna say that Rick, Rick Knox, sorry, Mike Knox was a wrestler. Rick Knox, they go out of their way to say Rick Knox is a tag team referee. Like he specializes in that. Like he must just be really good at seeing all of the hot tags and everything. Like the, you know, blind tags and whatnot. He worked with the Young Bucks for years. Jericho's like, I am a fucking 30 year vet. This is bullshit. Cause was it, was part of this?
00:27:32
Speaker
They're like, what are you gonna do? It's technically no DQ, right? And he doesn't have any friends at this point. Are him and Ambrose buds still? Or did they break up? I think Ambrose is over on SmackDown. Yeah, because he got drafted. This was not too long after the draft. Uh-oh, hero stuff. Look at those punches.
00:27:55
Speaker
You're right. Okay. So Smackdown at this time would have been like their main roster was AJ, Cena and Styles. I'm sorry. Yeah, you started with AJ. That's what threw me off. So yeah, it was styles and Ziggler. They gave Ziggler a push out of the gate when they first did Smackdown life. Didn't he hold? He didn't wait. Never. Never. Never the WWE title. Oh no, Chris.
00:28:23
Speaker
As a character, do you think that he was anticipating avoiding this tonight? As a character. Do you think he was thinking, don't worry, we'll get out of this, we'll just beat him up. We're not getting in that game. No! No! There's so many sexy pinions. Look, just appreciate the acting. He's the goat.
00:28:53
Speaker
In all seriousness, do you think Roman Reigns is that bad? Of a wrestler? How do you feel about Roman now? Most of the time, okay, so this is time sensitive, so I don't know how, if you're listening to this, how this will fit into the narrative, but we're heading into what WrestleMania is this? 30, whatever.
00:29:19
Speaker
The last one I went to would have been 34. I didn't go to 35. 36. We're heading into WrestleMania 36. Drew McIntyre won the... Kevin's reassuring him. It's going to be okay, buddy. I think it's the problem. It's never the actual wrestler. I just think it's the way that
00:29:42
Speaker
They either get force fed to you
Chris Jericho's Role in the Match
00:29:44
Speaker
way too often, or once they do receive a push, it's like a part of their character changes. So Drew went from being kind of like a quiet badass. Drew McIntyre was a quiet badass who just fucking claymored your head off. So he wins the Royal Rumble, and then like the next night, now he's doing like a countdown thing with the audience before he hits claymores, and he plays to the audience. And there's a switch, and I think once you switch the thing that was making it work,
00:30:16
Speaker
I would look at look at the international flags there for these 17 different countries being represented for the WWE Network. And Mandarin and Russian. To Jerry. Finaki dog. Oh, fuck.
00:30:38
Speaker
I was trying to remember who was. Now you know how I feel anytime you start talking. And I was just bragging on a previous episode about all the Japanese names I knew. See, I wasn't pointing out a person. I was just naming names. He caught the shell. He's happy and I don't like it.
00:31:00
Speaker
I watched him, there was like a ringside cam footage one time, it was from like a year and a half ago. Owens was fighting the Reigns on Raw and I think they were in Montreal and Kevin's dad was at ringside and like Reigns was beating him up around the thing and they got over by his dad and Kevin's dad's name is Terry.
00:31:21
Speaker
And he said something like, he's going to get you, Roman. Don't you worry. He's going to get you back. And Roman Reigns turned to Kevin. So his dad, he's like, yeah, I know he's going to get me with a nice rest hold. Did you think that, do you know what I wish I were in this weird time where you notice they've kind of stopped putting out the WWE movies?
00:31:50
Speaker
Yeah, like the low budget, whatever. Are we running out of wrestlers that are believable in those action movies because we have so many indie guys? I just think that it was a waste of fucking production money. Fuck you. One. Two. I needed 12 rounds four starring Kevin Owens with the gun.
00:32:10
Speaker
Or he's just like a normal family man. I forget that this is one of those matches where he builds a contraption. Oh, yeah. And when you see KO building a contraption, you know he's going through it. He hasn't done that in a while, has he? Has he kind of backed off on damaging his body this way? Oh. I think if I learned one thing from that feud he had with Braun Strowman a year and a half ago is that he's not afraid to still damage his body for everyone else's entertainment.
00:32:41
Speaker
Now, now, I'm sorry. Well, between that and then the cage spot, where he was on top of the cage and got... Baby face or heel, you decide. He just played to the entire arena. And got a bop. Let me go. This is the funny thing. He had to go incapacitate him just for a moment so he could get back to Lego building.
00:33:09
Speaker
He's like, don't interrupt me. You think Finn Balor would be more into the construction of? He's like, oh, maybe I got room for one more. This is pro wrestling artistry. He's like, well, he's getting, there you go. Hit him in the back. There you go.
00:33:32
Speaker
Just hold on, I'm building. I can't imagine how frustrated he would have got if this fell apart at this critical stage of the building process. He's so proud. So proud. Now what we doing? What's the plan? Suck my dick. This isn't an FV match.
00:34:03
Speaker
Listen to the crowd going nuts as if Roman Reigns about to go through a pile of chairs. Vince is like, I like the idea, but that's definitely not gonna happen to him. No, but you, Kevin, we can see. Here's the problem, Kevin. Roman can star in a 12 round four. Roman's pretty. It is that fucking spot that we were talking about.
00:34:34
Speaker
The tension is just
Climactic Match Moments
00:34:35
Speaker
building. This is actually kind of genius because everyone's just wondering when's that gonna come into play? Yep, keep going. I don't remember. Does he get thrown off the top? Oh Jesus. Oh no, we're gonna forget about it for a little while and then it's gonna happen. Yeah, I like that. I like when I forget about some shit outside.
00:35:02
Speaker
Now keep in mind, do not forget, Jericho is hanging above the ring during all of this. So you're telling me. God damn it. They pull out on cue. Can only imagine the terror in his best friend's heart right now watching this happen. The cheerleading is...
00:35:27
Speaker
I'll tell you, if it were me and you in this match, I hope I would be in the cage. I would volunteer for the cage immediately. You would prefer the cage? I would prefer the cage. I'm sure you would offer great moral support from that cage. Okay, so yeah, there's a lot of good weapon usage in this match, which is one of the reasons I like it.
00:35:55
Speaker
I don't think I ever went to a WWE house show with Kevin Owens where he wasn't in a street fight. He was always going through tables and shit. Always giving his body.
00:36:12
Speaker
Gotta make sure that we're still going, because that would be devastating, right? Kevin doing the heel thing and closing that table up and getting rid of it, because he's like, I don't want anything to do with that. That is the most heelish thing he's done in the entire match. He knows that people want tables. No. You don't get a table. He points to his buddy.
00:36:41
Speaker
That would have been a good spot. Jesus. Now, you have to be impressed with Roman Reigns just deadlifting Kevin Owens like that. Yeah, that's like 260 pounds minimum.
00:37:00
Speaker
He has, from a few months prior to this, they do a Hell in a Cell match between Rollins and Owens, where Rollins starts to pick him up for a power bomb and loses him, and then deadlifts Owens up to throw him through a table on the outside. And that spot always blows my mind. Look at how determined he is. What a baby face. Oh, cock that fist.
00:37:26
Speaker
and the people don't want it, and Kevin's like, I agree. The first time I saw him cock that fist when I started watching wrestling again. Did you think that was the coolest thing? It was the coolest shit I'd ever seen in my whole life. You're like, how come I've never thought to do that when I'm fighting a guy? I'd never seen anything more badass. I think he worked on every level for me.
00:37:53
Speaker
Drive-by. Does he do the drive-by anymore? I think so. But nobody watches Friday Night Smackdown, so we don't know. Oh, god. So there's a bunch of good spots in this match. But this one coming up here, that table is going to get used. You know that, right? Well, I imagine. How would you feel about a super kick party, my friend? I would feel good. Here, have one.
00:38:23
Speaker
But that's only one. It has to be at least two for it to be a party. I want you to watch this, because this spot's awesome. But watch where the legs of the table are, and watch what almost happens to Roman Reigns. He almost get impaled. There she is. There's Suplex and Stella House. If that metal leg had just stayed straight up,
00:38:55
Speaker
That very well could have gone through his chest. If that had been the spot and he was just impaled and it looked like alien where something was coming out of him. Does Owens cover him? Does Owens like go full heel and like brag? Like look at this. So close.
00:39:25
Speaker
What a beautiful frog splash.
Humorous Match Commentary
00:39:27
Speaker
Absolutely eviscerates that fucking table leg. I keep forgetting he's up there. Well, it's a nice little thing to cut back to every now and then. Some bringing some levity to the situation as two men try to murder each other. For a title.
00:39:51
Speaker
camera pans over, like, just in case you forgot, there is a pyramid of chairs over here. Do you ever feel like some refs just come and go and you never learn anything? Like, who the fuck is this guy? I don't know, he could very well still be going, but I don't recognize him. He's not a Mike Keota or Charles Robinson or... And you only know those names because you learned them. I know those names because I was close with them.
00:40:20
Speaker
Garrett just looked at me, I saw that out of my throat. He didn't accept that explanation. He's that smart as a heel. Just walk across a man. Could you ever go to a WWE show and wear a new day unicorn horn? Yeah.
00:40:43
Speaker
Like, with the thing lit up and everything? Well, probably not currently. You don't think it would work now? Well, they aren't around. What do you mean they're not around? Well, they aren't doing the unicorn thing anymore, right? Like, we're done with that? Unicorns are still a thing with them, though. What's gonna happen? I mean, I always joke about getting foam fingers. I feel like I...
00:41:12
Speaker
Telling you what foam finger I'm going to be getting. Orange Cassidy. Are you really going to get one if they have it? Maybe. Sorry, we're going to revolution tomorrow. If you're hearing this. If you're not understanding that. God, he's a cool looking dude. Roman? Yes. Fucking Roman Mark.
00:41:43
Speaker
There we go. Hurt him. Oh! I agree, Kevin. It is absolutely bullshit. Does Jericho have something to help here? Good call, Garrett. Right on cue. Garrett understands wrestling pacing. Hey, just so everyone sees, these are brass knuckles. These are
00:42:17
Speaker
He is so happy that he has a friend like Chris Jericho. Cock it, Kevin. Cock it and lock it. The crowd is going insane. I love it. Oh, no. No. Don't let him steal.
00:42:54
Speaker
He may not have penned him, but you know what he did do? Stack up a whole bunch of chairs earlier. We can't forget about that. We can never forget about those. That's how you know the match isn't over. That cameraman, oh, if that cameraman had knocked those over. There would have been a talking to backstage. What does Chris do if the door pops open on accident? Does he just have to sell? Well, even though the door's open, I'm still way up here. I'm staying in. I can't get out.
00:43:26
Speaker
I think the brass knuckles were an ingenious idea. Good job. I really appreciate whoever has this Mr. Bean sign. That's what somebody chose to come to this event with. Sometimes I judge people's wardrobe when I watch a show because I'm like, this was a big night for you. Like you went to the show and this is what you chose to wear.
00:43:46
Speaker
I've definitely had a few shows where, like, I thought, like, I probably should have worn a wrestling shirt. It just looks like you didn't even care. Yeah, it does. Yeah. Like you just walked in. Well, you know, sometimes when you go to a wrestling show, you've got to wear your coolest wrestling shirt to show people. Yep. Oh. That chair is obliterated. Match over.
00:44:14
Speaker
Just kidding. In case you were wondering. It's not over until that man falls through some chairs. It's not over until Bill Goldberg steals your title. And then it's really over. Remember when there were rumors that Goldberg was going to be an AEW? I do. I completely forgot about that, but now I fucking remember. I kind of wish he had been. It would have been less of an issue for me.
00:44:46
Speaker
with him squash some people that I may not necessarily be too familiar with. Well, see, we haven't had a chance to see him squash Kenny yet. Would you pop if you were at like basement East and fucking. Oh. That chair, that is a man screaming because he just heard his ass real bad. Yeah, I frequently think of that scene in Tropic Thunder where there's the explosion and then you see Jack Black in his underwear on the ground screaming.
00:45:12
Speaker
My ass. My ass. And slow mo. Like a war movie scene. But if you were at basement east and Mance Warner was having a match and fucking Goldberg came out, would you be excited about that? 100%. You would. Yeah, because I'm in basement east and fucking Bill Goldberg's there. You'd be excited.
Match Conclusion and Reflections
00:45:39
Speaker
Tiny venue, Bill Goldberg shows up to an ND show. That's gonna make the news tomorrow. You think that's gonna make me happy about Bill Goldberg? I don't know if it'll make you ha- Sorry, I got caught up in the match. That was a pretty sweet roll-up. No, I- Carrot's a fan of a roll-up. I really thought that schoolboy was gonna get him.
00:46:05
Speaker
Oh, blood. There's a precursor to the Kevin Owens we know now coming up here in a minute. People are into the match, Garrett. Doesn't this referee know he needs to put gloves on now that Roman's got a little blood on his face? Oh, no. Oh, no. He does have a tiny bit of blood on the bridge of his nose. Don't do it.
00:46:31
Speaker
Don't do it. Jump out of the way, Kevin. Or that. Has he been doing the stunner that long? Yes. Yes. Was that when he did it though and Stone Cold was pissed about it? Yes. He didn't do the kick to the gut. And he said that's important because it knocks the run bottom. There's a scientific process to how you actually beat somebody with a stunner that he has now mastered.
00:47:03
Speaker
Yeah, he jumps. And this was supposed to be a tribute because they're in Texas. He was like, ah, I'll do a stone cold tribute. What was Miz doing around this time? He may very well have been feuding with Dolph Ziggler at this time. Oh, 100%. 100% was. Jericho's thinking like, man.
00:47:30
Speaker
I wish that he had more shit to drop out of his pockets. Just like the Joker. Like, yes, like he just pulls a bazooka out. Yes. Or the mask. Yeah. There's always time. Picture of Roman's wife. You married her. Uh oh.
00:47:54
Speaker
Margaret, you son of a bitch. He looks like he's going to cry. He has like a fucking rug burn on the side of a raspberry. I'm more impressed how many lines we remember from the mask. It's a good movie. I used to watch. That was my favorite movie as a kid.
00:48:13
Speaker
fun, fun thing. I bought that movie for my mom in the first grade for her birthday because I wanted to watch it. And she she pretended to be excited. No, she didn't. And I've never got I've never been never got over that. No, no, no, no, not that I haven't gotten over it. I've I've never been able to forget it. Look at the people coming to their feet. People like quit. Shut the fuck up about the mask and talk more about this man about to fall through a chair, a match that we're watching here between two future Hall of Famers.
00:48:44
Speaker
That's weird to think, but you're probably right. I am. I know what I'm talking about. Ah! Ouchies! Yep. Go see if he squeezes your hand, god damn it. Chris is like, oh man.
00:49:03
Speaker
Nothing about that looked fun. I'm glad I'm up in this cage. He has like, he doesn't grow his beard so well in the middle there. Any more, you mean? Like right there. Look, he's got a bald spot almost. I wonder if he has anxiety too. That's no, that's changed. Like he can grow it now. So I don't know if that was by design or what, but if you see him now, look. Oh, that sucks. Well, he does it because he loves you. Yeah.
00:49:34
Speaker
There's a reason he does that for me and Randy Orton does not. Also Randy Orton got to be in 12 rounds too. I want this 12 round movie starring Kevin Owens. I do too! Or he's literally like a suburban fucking dad who has a gun now for whatever reason. He's like you're gonna have to learn how to use it.
00:50:00
Speaker
What sort of bullshit are you going to do now, Roman? Seriously though, we could have ricochet in a movie. We could have all these great movies. This would actually make for a good segment on the podcast. We should have people write in with their, you only get to submit one, but submit in your suggestion for a WWE superstar and a new WWE productions movie.
00:50:21
Speaker
The Chaperone, starring Bronst Roman. Why can they only submit one? Because I feel like one person will just take up all the good ideas. And then Garrett's like, we may only have one submission, so that's fine. Fair enough. I take back my previous statement. Why are you being a bully now, Roman? See, what a bully. Ah.
Episode Wrap-Up and Fan Interaction
00:50:52
Speaker
His beard sucks. It's not that bad. It's pretty bad. Maybe I'm just getting a bad angle on that beard. Maybe you are. Don't be so hard on the guy. Look at what he just did for you. You know how I feel about facial hair. I don't, do I? What's your problem with facial hair? If you can't do it good, don't do it at all. I don't know if I want Roman to win this match and Braun feels the same way.
00:51:24
Speaker
This is the beginning of what, in my opinion, was a wonderful fucking feud for both men. Jesus! It's worse when the table doesn't break. Well, it's worse when you don't clear the monitors. Oh yeah, take that to the skull. We didn't have iPads then either. I'm not finished with you.
00:51:51
Speaker
Don't forget Chris Jericho is hanging above all this, still watching. He's probably really, I wanna see what he's doing. Look at that crowd. Cover. One, two, Trace. That was an enjoyable match. Wasn't it?
00:52:21
Speaker
and Jerika like I want to jump for joy but I don't want to break I also don't want to rattle the cage too much if this match ended with like a like a legit tragedy where that fucking cage snapped loose that would completely change the tone for the rest of the evening be a hell of a spot
00:52:42
Speaker
Oh, boy. Derek, good suggestion. Was that fun? Thanks for having us watch that one. Did you like looking back down memory lane? I did. I could definitely go back and watch some more stuff from this time period. He's the best universal champion we've had, Garrett. I'll keep saying it. This is Derek. He's three feet off the ground. I don't care. Let me out. Where's the keys?
00:53:12
Speaker
We're absolutely all right. I got I've got him in my pocket. Go open the shit. I am. Easy to see why he was the guy you needed. Give him a kiss.
00:53:37
Speaker
All right. Well, thank you for sitting in with me and Garrett on this episode of, uh, bonus zone watch along. B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B-B bonus zone. Again, we are always open to some suggestions for watch alongs.
00:53:55
Speaker
Now, we don't necessarily see each other all the time, so these are harder to do from far away. But when we are in the same room, if we have a back catalog of ideas from you guys about stuff you want us to do a watch along for, submit that shit.
00:54:10
Speaker
Predetermined Podcast at gmail.com. I'm at Halloween Halpin on Twitter. Garrett's at Gartet on Twitter. The podcast is at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook and Twitter and Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. We're open to your suggestions. We hope you had fun watching this match with us.
00:54:30
Speaker
And when you're hearing this episode, it's probably because we missed an episode or we were just being nice and wanted to give you some more. We just want to give you a little extra content. Yeah. All right. Thanks for hanging out with us. We will be back next week. Look at those two there. Who's who were better friends, Trent and Chuck or Jericho and K.O.
00:54:56
Speaker
I mean, that's so hard. That would be a hell of a tag match. That would be a lot of fun. But hey, not as much as I love you, buddy. Oh, let's give the people what they want. Hit our goddamn music.