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Chapel Bell Curve | 2024 Georgia Football
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Jim and John are joined by Nathan and Yara from Chapel Bell Curve for a bye week collaboration episode.
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Introduction and Episode Overview
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This is Carrolton activities. this is so my
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Welcome to my got a podcast. I'm Jim Wood. In this episode, John Powell and I are joined by Nathan and Yara from Chapel bell curve. We talk about their Georgia stories, our times in Athens, how we're all feeling about this season. And we make a few picks for the game this week. It's an off the rails bi-week collaboration episode.
Community Engagement and Past Experiences
00:00:27
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If you'd like to join a burgeoning community of like-minded individuals, head over to patreon dot.com forward slash chapelbellcurve. And finally, if you need help with your website or your online presence, head over to workingwebmedia.com slash dogs. Now let's join the conversation in progress.
00:00:44
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yeah are are are the opening of every episode of my god podcast said now we're going to join the conversation already in progress and like it literally is true and like tonight is like this is exactly What's happening? Yeah. Good. Yeah. yeah yeah ah So I guess, i I'm Jim, you could be listening to Shoutout Bill
Podcast Collaboration and Cultural References
00:01:08
Speaker
Curve. You could be listening to My God Apply Guest. It's the collab episode, the crossover. Yeah. I actually, I will say, I'll give a shout out, Nathan, when I when I spied you at the SUSE show, Mississippi State Game, and I took a picture
00:01:26
Speaker
My daughter, when we arrived, my daughter was like, oh, look, the band. And so he went and I was like, oh, I think that's the thing that like Nathan does, that you always talk about on child welfare. Anyways, I sent a picture ah to my buddy Brett building and he was like, it's a, it's the collab that everyone's been waiting for. It's pretty funny. Well, he accepted it into the world. That's right. That's right. Uh, so yeah, welcome. This is fun. I know we've, we've yeah mentioned, you know, maybe doing this before. I feel like we've, we've like orbited around like our like our spheres have sort of like finally aligned, you know, such that we can make this transfer. Right. Agreed. um Amazing invitation by Yara sent a trade request was like the funniest thing. Like I was dying laughing at that. um It was amazing.
00:02:15
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Yara, so let me let me tell you the secret of Yara as a podcaster. And I'm going to put you on blast. Top of the show. Here's what Yara does. No, no, it's genius. It's actually genius. This is like, in some ways, Yara is like the podcasting version of Leonardo DiCaprio from Catch Me If You Can. And here's why.
00:02:35
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Yara, it has so many more references about just like teen culture and then she'll use them on me and then I think she made them up.
00:02:49
Speaker
So sometimes, sometimes I like, I have a tick tock account. So, okay. I get them sometimes, but sometimes she'll be something and I'll just like lose it. And I'll, and then I realized that Yara was making a reference that I just think Yara is a comedic genius, but that's, the that's the grift is that Yara is like, I'm the only Gen Z here. And all these aging men will think this is hilarious.
00:03:12
Speaker
Yes. ah That is incredible. That reminds me, Nathan, there is a here's a TikTok account that I feel like, so now I know you that you have a TikTok account, but there's this one account that I felt like if you had an account, this would be your account. ah This is basically for me knowing what I know of listening to your podcast. I'll have to find that. Next time, when comes up, I'll send it to you.
00:03:34
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so Please do. Yeah. Yeah. And you'll be like, what is Jim?
Generational and Cultural Exchanges
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I don't, I don't like, one of the things about being a high school teacher that crept up on me. Like when you, when you come through a teacher prep program, they tell you a lot of things about how being a high school teacher changes you. But this is the thing that I didn't expect is that I am so chronically online. I am so online.
00:03:56
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And I wish I was more of a Luddite. Like I wish that people are like, Oh, grandpa, you don't get what the TikToks are. But unfortunately, because I work around 17 year olds, eight hours a day. And then I go to red coat practice. Like sometimes um around the red coats, I know TikTok trends that they don't because my 17 year olds, all they do. Oh God, beer burp.
00:04:16
Speaker
All they do, I'm too old to drink a Miller High Life at 9pm. I just wanted to be in the spirit. All they do is smell it. It's a Miller Paws. It's a Miller High Life. You could, I believe in you, Aunt. I believe in you, Grandpa. You got this. All right, all right. Yeah, baby. That's right. Slay. I love that. There you go again with the Gen Z slang.
00:04:38
Speaker
I know, I, I know that from my, from my daughter, although my, my youngest daughter doesn't like saying slave, my oldest does. So here was when you came to the SUSE show, one, the, this was my high school teacher reaction was that you were really excited to see me. And I was really excited to see you. And because I've been around high school kids too much, I saw your daughter and I was like, she really hates that her dad is enthusiastic about me. Like if if you had walked up to me and been like this idiot I kind of know him his podcast sucks your daughter would have been like oh what's the name of his podcast but you were like oh my god this is Nathan I was talking to you about and she was just like eight she had the Ben Affleck the Ben Affleck like yes no yeah no we were talking and she was off to the side I looked over and I was like is that a marvel 100 like what are you doing man like
00:05:30
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Yeah, yeah. she ah She did, though, she got some good pictures ah of the Susie show that that made it into her Instagram story. So, yeah. I've been blessed. Yes. she was She loved the funeral. Like, she picked up on it. She was like, oh, it's a funeral. Like, she loved that.
Yara's Journey to UGA and Redcoats
00:05:47
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Nobody ever, everybody always catches it. It's a funeral, and nobody ever catches that we're playing the song from The Hobbit.
00:05:54
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Okay. That's the song the Dorfs sing at the beginning of The Hobbit, Missy Mountain Cold. Like, if you ever watched, like, the 1980s cartoon thing, it just kind of sounds like a funeral song, but my personal, like, I didn't get any dates in high school, nerddom really appreciates that, like, I'm making Jocks listen to this Lord of the Rings song. in Okay, got it. I like the irony there. It comes full zergal. Yeah, I'm like, hahaha, you said books sucked. But actually,
00:06:26
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Uh, let's do good. Let's do good. Yeah, man. We, we, um, had just, we parked at, yeah, off the rails. That's okay. We parked at Tate and saw that. Um, so kind of lucked out with that. Literally came, came up on it. That was fun.
00:06:39
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Um, I don't know. What do you want to talk about? The dogs are heck of a heck of a season thus far. I wanted to do something fun for the bye week. And so, you know, we'll just talk about all those things. We got nothing else to talk about. Might as well talk about all the things. That's right. That's right. Well, I want to, I want to do the Georgia fan story thing. I think that's a cool idea because John or Jim was saying that John always asks people.
00:07:05
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Yeah, but it's the question that we ask everybody that comes on is, you know, what is your Georgia story? Like, how did you get involved in the University of Georgia? Why did you go to Georgia? You know, all the all the things, whether it's, you know, historical or, you know, you you're obviously were alumni. So and I'm sure that there's there's a connection there. But you know, what is your Georgia story? Yara, I like yours a lot. And I know most of yours. So I think you should go first.
00:07:30
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Oh gosh, okay. This is on the spot. All right, so i um I moved to Georgia in 2016 from Chicago and both of my parents immigrated to the United States from like the Middle East. So I was not raised a Georgia fan. I wasn't into any of that stuff. I didn't even like football, which is so crazy to say now.
00:07:54
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But in 2020, I was like fully determined to be a music ed major. right i was I was not supposed to be here. But i in 2020, I um went to Janfest, which is this huge like three or four day kind of festival that um the Hugh Hodgson School of Music does for high school students. And they bring band kids in from all over Georgia.
00:08:19
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And you just get force fed like five or six pieces of music with a whole bunch of other students from Georgia in the span of three days. And then you and then it happens. It's just it's so much fun. And it's a great recruitment tactic to get people to apply to Georgia. That's oh, it's it was so good because I did not want to go to Georgia for like the first two, three years that I did Janfest, and then my last year, 2020. It was right off of when I finished a kind of tour with the University of West Georgia, Go Wolves, Wind Ensemble in Natchitoches, Louisiana. So I did that, I went to Janfest, and this whole time I was thinking about you know colleges that I was going to apply to.
00:09:04
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I fully intended on going back up north, y'all. I wanted to go to Northwestern until I went to that tuition price. That was crazy. $90,000 a semester is a bit ridiculous. But I um started like walking around campus. I got lost on my last day, actually. And I just walked around what I now know as south camp like the South Campus part where the school music is and everything. I started of walking over there. And it was just the coolest experience to get to know Georgia without anybody like being my tour guide or having to go to places. It really changed my perspective on UGA.
00:09:43
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and And I came back home. um I kind of sat on it for a while. My dad, I love my dad so much, he forced me to apply to Georgia. If I was going to apply to all of these schools in Chicago and stuff, he was like, this is your safety school. And if you don't get in anywhere else, you're going to go here. Thank you, dad.
00:10:02
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I ended up going back to Georgia on March 13th, 2020, the day the entire world shut down, ah to help my friend move out of her dorm. Because at the time it was that two week extended spring vacation. Nobody knew it was happening. We didn't know it was COVID.
00:10:20
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So I helped her move out. We stopped at Cookout specifically, but yep, yeahp yep, yep, yep. We stopped at Cookout and I got the notification that my application had been processed and there was like a result waiting for me. And I got in to UGA and I literally screamed so hard. I think I scared the poor Cookout people. I scared everybody so bad. and That's how loud I screamed.
00:10:43
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And that was the first time I cried like tears of joy because that was crazy. I'm not an emotional person, not like, you know, in the crying sense, but that was such a surreal experience for me um just because it kind of represented the culmination of all that my parents worked really hard for. Like my dad came here with literally like one hundred and fifty dollars and a dream, you know, and not to be all, you know, who raw American dream, but who raw American dream, you know, They were all so great, USA. Like, and that same day I put in my, um, I accepted my application or i accepted my admin, it's because, duh. And I told my best friend who was already going to Georgia, like, Hey, do you want to be roommates? And.
00:11:28
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Yeah, that's my Georgia story. I did Redcoats. That's where I met Nathan. I went to the National Championship. um I got to beat Alabama. Yes, finally. Oh my god, I hate Alabama so much. But it it truly was. I just graduated in December of this year.
00:11:47
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um And it was truly the most surreal, amazing time that like i of of any experience ever. I learned so much. I became who I am today. I grew so much as a person. It was and it was nothing short of perfect, even through the good times and the bad times. So now I'm an alum. Go, dogs. And now I'm here. And that's my Georgia story. Oh, but also awesome not a Suzaphone player originally, right?
00:12:14
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Oh, yeah, I started on well, I started a piano when I was three, but then I started oboe, which is like knock off clarinet. It's yeah, it's a fascinating thing. Um, I love oboe. Don't get me wrong, but Hmm, what a choice. And I taught myself Sousaphone, I think freshman year of high school because I got told that um I was a little too scrawny to play Sousaphone. I was like 80 pounds soaking wet freshman year of high school. i
00:12:47
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I was stickily um and I was told you know I just stick with trumpet stick with something light and because I am the most stubborn bitch alive I picked the sousaphone and I taught myself sousaphone it was excellent that's hilarious so you're like a virtuoso huh oh I wouldn't say all of that I don't know about that Nathan could tell you I No, you were fine. You were fine. the you can march You can march and your sound didn't take away from what we were doing. Thanks. Okay. You were in tune and in town, baby. You know, that's like, that's what matters.
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Yeah.
Nathan's Path to UGA and Football Passion
00:13:24
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Okay. Thank you. All right. I wasn't bad then. All right. So was Nathan, was Nathan like the curvy smart of, of the red coats? Was he like, no, no. demanding I'm like the offense. I'm well, I, I don't, I don't want to claim to be Stacy Searles. I think I'm better than that, but I'm like the, I do, I, I work with one section. I'm basically a position coach.
00:13:47
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Position codes, okay. I don't think I'm that demanding, Yara. I'm not, you're maybe you're like, you're like the Todd Hartley. You're like the Todd Hartley. Yeah. Yeah. I, I'd say if I, if they were red coats to listen to this, you're going to say this is BS, but like the the thing about the SUSE phones is they don't want to be gentle parented. I had this thing at the beginning of the year that I was doing where I was like not cursing and I wasn't yelling at them. And I was being like, Hey guys, let's be quiet coyotes and like, let's be competent qualities. And they hated it.
00:14:15
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They despise it. They were like, are you making fun of me? And if I just went back there and it was like, listen here, you bleep, bleep, bleep. Then they were a mother like, yeah, okay, cool. Yeah. And so it was like, I don't, I guess like I'll work with the tools available, but I don't, that's not my like default teacher persona. You know, I have to be pushed. Got it. yeah I was going to say you, like, you went through it all. You went through remove it all. Like the good times and the bad, like.
00:14:42
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Yeah, COVID baby straight into two national titles is pretty crazy. It was a it was a little fascinating. I think going to Indianapolis. Oh, like I forgot to mention this. I was also a truck driver for Redcoats. That's my super lower. So going into going to the end of my freshman year, I still didn't have my driver's license because I was scared. The road makes me anxious. um So so she so she signed up to drive 24 foot trucks full of Sousa phones.
00:15:13
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Yes. Oh my God, this is going to get me in trouble. But I signed up to do that without having my license. I fully did that. That was like my encouragement thing. So I got my license. Thank God, because I would have been really bad. And um I learned how to drive a truck in like two days-ish. And then I drove it to North Carolina ah for that one game against Clemson up there. It was delightful. That was the first game of your sophomore year, right?
00:15:43
Speaker
Yes. thats And then, and then you drove to Miami and Indianapolis. Yes, we popped a tire in Florida and it was the scariest experience alive. Imagine being on the side of an interstate with a like popped tire on a truck, but also imagine it being next to Florida drivers. oh I was so scared for like the better half of two or three hours. I was just frantically texting like anybody who could help. Just please get me out of here. The Florida people are looking at me funny and I want to go home.
00:16:17
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It was, it was so surreal. But yeah, I drove tracks for us my sophomore year. It was a lot of fun. I just Oh, I didn't have a handle your CV handle.
00:16:29
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ah Yeah, I didn't have mine, but I wish I did. That would have been really cool. I just, man, i'd I like to drive in my, oh, I got to make that one freaking Auburn song come true. The like, I like to drive in my truck. Auburn sucks. yes I swear to God, we, I wanted to go to, I wanted to drive the trucks to Auburn so badly so we could do that, but we just, you know, put these use phones under the bus and took it that way, it put which is fine. But that entire week, all I did was listen to that song until I made it come true. And then we made Albert, as we always do. 2021, I believe, was the first time I heard your voice, Yara, I think, as a listener of Chapelbell Curve. Was that was it that when like Yara's Rage started? Am I making this up? Yes. Yeah, Yara's Rage against the Machine. Yeah. Yeah. okay That's what I thought. oh my
00:17:20
Speaker
yes so What happened was the first time Yara has like such an unhinged Twitter present or had, I think she deleted her Twitter account. um But I needed a break. I can't do it There was a time at which Yara had a crazy Twitter presence and I would be like, oh, well, do you want to do something on the show? And she would send me these like PDF images or like JPEGs basically of like she'd taken her like Apple pencil on her iPad and drawn these like beautifully beautifully like calligraphy like screeds about how much she hated something. And so it was just like
00:17:57
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It was like someone's notes, like from high school where they'd make it all pretty, except it was just like about death, like every time. Oh my God, yeah. It was just her yelling about Jake Fromm or something or like, or like, this is, the first year was before Stets a Bit It was Stets a Bit It. And there was one that was like, who is this scrawny little white boy? And what does he think he is? Who is this guy? And what does he think he's trying to do? I was so angry. Why was I so angry? But you were like 19.
00:18:33
Speaker
Oh, yeah, that's true. Yeah, I wasn't legally allowed to go to the corner store and like buy alcohol it yet. So that might have been the reason, legally. um But yeah, that that was the origin the origin of Yara's Rage Against the Machine. I had my iPad, I had my Apple pencil, and I had a dream. And that was it. Don't let your don't million don't let your memes be dreams, I guess is the point of the story. OK. OK. Words to live by. Words to live by. Absolutely.
00:19:02
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I guess what about, what about you, Nathan? What was your, well, it's your joint story. is, oh my God. i I tell people Mr. Lawrence lives in Jackson County and Nathan lives in Clark County and they don't know each other. like i i'm kind um coming down to I was making the Karate Kid reference.
00:19:22
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Yeah, I know. I know. I got it. Don't worry. Between that and Friar Lawrence, when you read Romeo and Juliet, let me tell you, these kids are comedians. a So I had so much of a less well-developed self-awareness than Yara about my life. And I went to UGA at a time when, I mean, I was good at school and smart, but it wasn't like it is now. You know what I mean? um We were still proud of being the number one party school when I went to school. So I grew up
00:19:56
Speaker
Um, I mean, I liked football and like was aware of it. And I went to high school at Carrollton, which had a really good football team at the time. And I was in the band and we'd lost like three games. I think we lost like five games, my entire high school career or something like that. I like, we never lost, we beat everybody. And so I eventually had to, I just like learned, um, football as like a self-defense mechanism. My parents are both from Florida and my dad was like a nominal Florida fan. Um, I mean, I wouldn't say we'd like grew up Florida fans. Like we never went to a game or anything. Um, and I'd been to a couple of Georgia tech games for their band day. Uh, and then we had a friend who was a Georgia tech fan and I just like really liked marching band. Like I was such a dork. Um, and I was actually like had preliminarily signed up and gotten a really good scholarship to go to Auburn to the point where like my dad had
00:20:46
Speaker
Yeah, my dad had like that was at a time where you could get in state tuition to Auburn if you were on a border County and I grew up in Carroll County which so I could get in state tuition and I was in their Honors College and like I'd like I'd done everything but sign on the dotted line like my poor dad had bought me like a like an Auburn like a really nice like men's inlaid Auburn jewelry box. You know what I mean to like put rings in and stuff, which he later showed me like 10 years later. And I went on a campus visit.
00:21:14
Speaker
I went on an official campus and and I was like, Oh, this is cool. And then I want to visit like a friend of the family. And I was just like, Oh, this is just like Carrollton, but like with a football stadium, like I cannot go, I cannot be in another small town. So I applied to a bunch of different places, but Georgia was the place that had the best academics and a marching band, which was the two requirements. Right. And I didn't want to do math. Um, and Georgia Tech didn't have an English ed program. So.
00:21:43
Speaker
had to be told. So I actually, is this is a deeply embarrassing story. I actually applied to and got into Georgia and had not been to Athens as an adult until my red coat audition, which was like after I had already accepted and like paid my dupp deposit or whatever.
00:22:03
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Um, and I remember going up there and being like, I really hope this works cause this is going to be it. You know, like, so I ah had an ex-girlfriend who was, uh, had been in red coats too. And so I went up there and she showed me around and we went to Occam's K-Bob like back in the day when it was over yeah before it was K-Bob.
00:22:25
Speaker
It was Occam's. Yes. And we went to Occam's when it was like it was like near where like I guess zombie donuts is right now or where it used to be. I think zombie donuts could now but like right there by Magnolia's and Republic Salon. And we went over there and I was like, oh, I like this place. And she was like, yeah, that was just North Campus. Let's walk over here. And I was like, it's bigger than that, you know. And and I was such an idiot. Like that was like the first time I've been on campus. But then I I got into band because I just liked band um and I did breadcoats the first year.
00:22:53
Speaker
And there were these two guys who were like seniors in my section, uh, Kyle and Matt. Um, Matt was the section leader and they were like super into football. And that was when I really was like, well, we have to sit at these games. So I'm going to learn about football. And then, I mean, and then from there it was like, okay, well, what about football statistics? Cause I just read money ball because I didn't have a lot of dates in high school before I met my wife. yeah Um,
00:23:20
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And then here we are. Yeah. And then here, here, here we are. Basically. Um, I feel like I sort of just like wandered into this really, I mean, I guess as, as it happens with many people, I feel like I sort of just like looked into the best things in my life, you know, like I dated this beautiful girl in high school. Cause she was listening to Led Zeppelin when we were going to beta club convention and she was like, Hey, do you want to go out? And then we got married. We're stimulated.
00:23:44
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And then like, you know, and then I went to UGA because it was like the, the one that had a football team and a band. Um, and now I, now I'm like, I still work for them. So it it feels like Yara has this like American dream success story. And I feel like I'm just like the guy who accidentally watered into the party and that people just like enough that they don't say he wasn't invited. You know, like I'm just like, Oh, hey guys. Like, like, Oh, he's a good hang. You know? Oh, that's funny.
00:24:09
Speaker
I was curious on the stats thing that but you answered it because i I was I was wondering how you went from like English literature to stats. came from But it came from a book or were you always into statistics?
00:24:21
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Um, well, yeah, I mean, I really, I took AP, AP, AB AP calculus, the first AP calculus class, and I got a five on it and I didn't want to take BC. Yeah. Well, you know, yeah this is the, this is the last math achievement I had in my life. So just let me have this one thing. And then I didn't want to take BC calculus. So I took AP stats. um And I thought it was really fun, but I didn't turn any of the work. And I got a C for like the first time in my high school career. And my dad took my car. um And then I got like a spite five on that test. And those were the only two math classes I had to take in college, basically. But that's awesome. um
00:25:00
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i wasn't really yeah yeah I wasn't really a math person. I just, I don't think that English, like the study of text is actually different than what we would do with stats. I think that I think of, okay, I'm about to get like real pretentious. So like, please, like these breaks as much as you need to. I'm ready for this.
00:25:21
Speaker
I'm sorry. Okay. So and we, in English, we talk about textual analysis as textual lenses, right? You can read a book from like 20 different ways, right? And good people who really know how to analyze English and good writers know, and good readers know how to flip through these lenses. Like, am I reading this in a formalist sense where I'm just looking at this text? Am I looking at this historically, like with the biography of the author and you have to kind of flip between these lenses. And and to me, the appeal of stats, like I really got into it when Bill Connolly was it like Rock M Nation? And then he was doing like SB Nation stuff. And i would I just like, I was like obsessed with, I've like read everything he wrote. ah But to me, stats is a, it it it is just a different textual lens. I feel like when I watch football without stats, it's like eating food without your sense of smell. Like it's like, you're not, like when I'm at the game,
00:26:14
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i I love the pageantry and the tradition and seeing my friends and family and I love cheering and like wanting to win but I also like kind of want to know what's going on but I never played football right so like the only lens through which I have to like better understand what's happening on the field is statistics and like it doesn't necessarily make me like smarter it's just like I think that with like just some really basic statistical knowledge, you can become a more intelligent consumer of the game. To me, that's like more fun. like I don't want to read books that I don't fully understand. And in the same way, I don't want to watch a game where there are layers of it.
00:26:53
Speaker
like there's all there's like One of the things you see is like a Red Code staff members. There's like so many like stacked up systems when you're watching college football games. Like when you're at the game, there's what's on the field, then there's the band, and then there's the fans. And then there's the people running the elevators that take the coaches up to the coaches' boxes. And then there's the high school kids who are volunteering to sell concessions. And then there's like the Gwinnett County school police officers who are there to run the crowd. And so there's just like all these different like layers upon layers of like,
00:27:24
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um cultural organization and like things happening and like you can never suss out all of them but I just think it's really intriguing to watch to be able to look at a game and see as many different like facets of that diamond right you can just keep turning this gym and it's like a different thing every time right like for you it's like memories of you and your dad and for another person it's like you know, the first girl you kissed in the student section. And for another person, it's like, you know, heartbreak of going to a game and like, you know, watching the Tennessee Josh Dobbs, Hail Mary or whatever. And I think that stats is just like another facet of that, right? All right, that's done. Yeah, I'm i'm done sounding smart. Let's, that's all I got in me. That's cool. It is rolling.
00:28:08
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Yeah, no, i i I often feel like john when we're on this podcast, I feel like um like sober John Belushi
Chapel Bell Curve Podcast Origins
00:28:15
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from Animal House. like If John Belushi were like smart enough to sound smart, but still dumb enough to be John Belushi, you know like that's like my that' sort of the where I'm going.
00:28:25
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I honestly, I never, I will credit Finding Chapelbell Curve, however I did when you guys started. um And back then, like, you know, we didn't have podcasts yet. John and I used to text about podcasts a lot.
00:28:41
Speaker
And we actually started texting about you guys. um like That's where I initially started looking into stats, honestly. um Listening to you guys got me interested into it. And John and I would kind of bounce stuff off of each other. So ah I never looked at it at all until then. And so now I still do. I don't have like the depth of knowledge, but there're there are things that I do look at that I do feel like kind of help me to try to evaluate what might happen. you know Yeah. but We created our own impact score. That's true. We do have an impact score.
00:29:10
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Nice. we We got really lucky the first year because in 2017, the Roseville year was the first year we did it. And there was a lot of publicly available data, like not sharp stats. Like I'm talking like Bill Connolly is writing this on a blog. There was just a lot of publicly available data where you would be like, well,
00:29:32
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SP plus has us winning 11 games and nobody was predicting that. And I do think part of, uh, our success has been like looking at things that are publicly available and being like, huh?
00:29:45
Speaker
du Yeah. Yeah. You got it. yeah Like I, I sometimes people think of us as being like smarter than we are, but a lot of times it's just like, do you see how this number is higher than that number?
00:29:57
Speaker
like That's all I got. Like, that's all I got. One of these numbers is higher, like. Yeah. Yeah. This season has been ah one of this one of the more stranger seasons since we started looking at this stuff is because like none of it makes any sense. Sorry, Carter. I mean, I think that that's your your comment about like eating without the smell. um And that that's actually been my introduction to it was when jim when Jim, I think Jim was the one that introduced me to you guys and started listening to you guys. and
00:30:32
Speaker
started learning about some of the different stats and all that kind of stuff. ah And I think that the one of the more interesting things was like, I had a feeling about how I was feeling about the different things and the games and who we were playing and all that stuff. The stats help helped me to layer on how i how how it actually was. Does that make sense?
00:30:54
Speaker
Like I needed to listen to chapel bell curve so that I could feel better about how I was feeling about the games. Like its havet had it like Jim and I would be like have you listened to chapel bell curve? Like no I haven't listened to it yet. um Like okay I just want to see what what they say like because I think that i think that we're gonna be fine but I want to hear what they have to say about it. I do think it there is a little bit do do you guys go to the games? I know you were at that one game but like one night years I've got season I mean, I don't go to every game like we have we've got a block of season tickets um between like my family for my my sister and her family for and my parents. um So we've got six seats that among those 10 of us, we rotate through we rotate Yeah, and we one of the 10th is best we to get all six field every game.
00:31:44
Speaker
I do feel like the the other thing that we were kind of like, um' I've been really trying not to curse, but the the big the big thing that we were like responding again, yeah, the the thing we were responding against and fighting a little bit too was like, if you go to all the games, you go or you watch a lot of, or you just watch every play of the Georgia Sea, I mean really any team, but if you watch every play and you go to all the games,
00:32:09
Speaker
you'll see stuff from national writers and you'll just be like, did you watch the game? And I mean, the answer is probably not, right? Like, because like, who can, who can consume all of that data? And so like, I think that, well, one, I think Georgia fans are really lucky because there is not really a lot of this in the podcasting sphere for Georgia. But the thing that we were kind of responding against was that like,
00:32:29
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and And I'm not talking about any particular person right now. I'm just talking about in 2017 was like, there was just a certain kind of sports personality that talked about college football that was like, if you gave the Fox wrote the Fox, ah like football robot, like a vocalizer, like that, that was the that was the vibe. It was like, oh, and then they spiked the ball. And they're like, four reasons why Georgia sucks. and it's And it was just so Like, I mean, we don't have to be NPR, but like we can think a little like, for God's sakes. Like, then, you know, that was kind of in the height of like the Jim Rome, Skip Bayless kind of yeah ESPN era. And I do think a lot of what we were doing was just being like, what the hell? Like, there's like, there's no possible way you let you know what you're talking about. Like,
00:33:17
Speaker
Like there's just like, have you even seen Todd Gurley like that as a human? Have you seen him on film or in person? Like I don't, I remember that one distinctly. I remember someone talking about Nick Chubb, I think actually, and being like, have you ever seen this man play? They were like, he's not that fast. And I was like, I literally don't think you have ever watched a Georgia game. Like I don't think you have. Yeah. I feel like, I feel like that that.
00:33:42
Speaker
need a recency bias here, but like, you know, the the Texas game, it was a pretty good example of all this. Like, you know, everybody, everybody and their brother thought that Texas was going to win that game. I mean, and it also speaks to the the drunkenness that has caused football the season where the modeling was all over the place. Like one bottle was crazy. Oh yeah. Yeah. So like, and I think that we talked about that offline, but like part of that was just due to how worthless.
00:34:09
Speaker
ah last season's data was versus you know how things have gone to date. um I mean you look at the stats and you look at how everybody was was measuring and then you also have to factor in all of the all of the opponents that people have played it's like there's a number of different factors and facets that come into it that I feel like then the the the arbiter one of the biggest arbiters is Vegas Vegas knows right like yeah the the line opened really the line opened really tight so like on paper at least Vegas wasn't writing us off completely you know what I mean yeah yeah it's cut and dry again and it should not should not have been as a surprise and the stats would have borne that out
00:34:51
Speaker
and i And I think, thank goodness that we have a personality and we are not just relying on stats because I do think that we started an era when a nobody did stats. So it was way easier for us to just be like, here's things that are publicly available that we read. We'll repeat them. And then people will be like, Oh, they're so smart. You
College Football Dynamics and NIL Impact
00:35:10
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know, but there was no,
00:35:12
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like it it was just like I opened an excel spreadsheet like I don't have a math degree but this is what it says and then people will be like whoa you know but um yeah but I do think that a lot of you know if you if the if the sort of Saban era I think maybe like mid Saban like 2010 to 2020 was really the the birth of like modern advanced college football metrics. And of every major sport, college football probably has the worst stats. like And we have really good stats, but like compared to NFL, NBA, got baseball, like we got nothing. And we I think a lot of our good modeling hits came on the fact that you could treat
00:35:54
Speaker
Statistically, a lot of things in college football, like you did in the NFL, um, in terms of like, there was a steadiness of like roster, right. And, and the quantification of talent was really easy to do. It was just like, like, I mean, a lot of our metric when we were starting in those early days was like, all right, let's go look at the 24 seven that data. Are they over the, are they over the blue ship ratio? Do they have more than 50% four and five stars? No. Okay. Well, let's start there. They're probably going to lose. Right. And like,
00:36:20
Speaker
Yeah, it it is almost like a it's a cliche to talk about the trades for portal. But one thing that I think that is I mean, I'm sure that um Vegas is making bank on this. But one thing that I think is really throwing off even sharp numbers right now is that you it's hard to interpret the data like it used to be that all the good players went to the good teams. And if you left a good team, it was because you weren't good enough to play. Right. So like you got processed like I'm trying to think of like, oh,
00:36:50
Speaker
Meeks or like Nate McBride, right? Nate McBride comes in, he's like the highest rated inside live biker we've ever had. He doesn't play and every, no one for a second thought that he was good enough to play and we'd go somewhere else, right? Like he just kind of languished on the depth chart and that was it, right? Or all the people who've just been like processed out and then they go to ULM and you're just like, whatever, like we still have an accurate representation of like The people who are at Alabama, who we said were four and five stars, if they're playing, they're probably four and five stars, right? But now it's like so much more difficult to rely. I mean, 24 seven does a great job and they've added transfers to their talent composite and they like regrade people based on stuff, but it's just so much harder to know. Like, you know, like what is a really good FCS player worth on an FBS team? What is, if if Ashton Gente,
00:37:38
Speaker
tra i mean i i I hope he wins the Heisman. I think he's great. If he transferred to Alabama next year, what would he be worth? He'd probably be the best running back on the roster, but there's no possible way to quantify like because the basic axiom that Bill Connolly started with was like the more talented team usually wins. You can kind of just like start there as your first like the first layer of analysis of that, who is more talented, right? And it used to be that you could really accurately answer that question, but you really just can't anymore because it's so hard to know like, okay, did Colby Young transfer to Georgia because he wasn't getting playing time because Miami's wide receivers are better for Georgia or was it because he wanted more in IOM money at the SEC? Or was it because that he just thought that he had a better chance of getting a ring at Georgia or better NFL prep?
00:38:26
Speaker
Like there's just no way to know in a predictive sense what the answer to that is. And you're a sick, like, yeah. Yeah. He came in and he came into Georgia as a, you know, an NFL caliber player. And I think that he's lost money this season. Oh, big time. Yeah. Well, yeah. Like last year, or I guess over the last few years, like that Cody Schrader guy had Missouri, right? I mean, he was, you know, he was like, that's the big jump up. He's like D two or whatever. And then what led Missouri in rushing last year.
00:38:56
Speaker
Well, and I think that, and the problem too is like, I'm not saying anything new and saying this, but develop isn't linear or development isn't linear. Right. So like you're a sick could get signed to a practice squad next year and then end up being like a all pro tight end just cause he figured some stuff out. Right. So out and and I think it's good and better for college football that players get to go where they want to play and get to play where they want to play. And I think having more parity in terms of like.
00:39:25
Speaker
Yeah, it was great for us, but it did kind of suck that 40% of the four stars went to three schools. ah You know what I'm saying? Or five stars right there. But I think that it sure as hell makes it harder to predict a football game, man. like it just I don't know. i like I generally know who the more talented team is. like I think we're more talented than most of the teams we'll play. We're probably more on paper talented than Tennessee.
00:39:52
Speaker
I think we might have been more talented than Alabama, but like every one of those teams has such, well, God, don't even get me started. But every one of those teams has such massive transfer influx and outflow that it's hard to quantify what that means, right? Yeah. I think that, ah well, you might be able to provide a unique perspective on it because you're at ah you're you're a high school teacher, right?
00:40:13
Speaker
Yeah. So the advent of NIL in high school, for example, um these kids that are in high school, they're able to capitalize on their on their own name and image likeness situations while they're actually before they even get to campus. I think that over time, we're in this like, wild we're still in like the wild, wild west of NIL. Maybe it's not as wild as it was last year, but it's still pretty wild. At some point, the the kids that are the kids that are the five stars that have the NFL caliber talent or whatever, um if they start going, if they start seeing their peers, let's say the juniors and the sophomores start seeing their peers going to the Colorado's of the world or the
00:40:58
Speaker
old misses of the world and and just getting absolutely absolutely smoked. They may start to realize that you know maybe the money isn't always always the best the best game in town, you know what I mean? So I think that there probably will be a little bit of regression to the mean, to use the statistical term, like that the good players are going to find the good teams.
00:41:20
Speaker
and I think it's a, it's a, God, I hate to use this word because Jesus Christ knows I'm not a finance pro, but there is, I think a little bit of a bubble in the system right now where it, NIL money is worth a lot to teams.
00:41:35
Speaker
but it is not being efficiently invested right now at this point. And I think there was such a buildup, like whenever you have prohibition, right? Like there's such a buildup in demand and then put it like, you know, the court comes off and there's like an explosion of production. I think that's kind of what happened is like all of a sudden, like, you know, the, the dude who owns 8,000 acres in Mississippi can spend his money legally on Ole Miss, right? So he's going to just like,
00:42:02
Speaker
you know, fire hose it into a program. So I don't know long term. And then I think also like we're in a situation where no regular bad regulation, like light regulation can be worse than no regulation, right? Like when we were all doing this illegally, we had some kind of like, like equilibrium built up. And now it's like, we're doing it legally, but there are no rules, which is like actually more chaotic than pretending like there were rules for some reason, like et cetera. I think that we're also finding that like, you know, yeah, people like Bear Alexander, like look at, look at what happened to him when he went out to USC and like, fizzles out. um guys for in yeah right yeah he's transfer yeah I heard we let him go too. um Well, yeah, there's that there's that aspect of it. But then you've also got situations like um where you know certain positions statistically seem like that they are more impactful than others. I think we went through this with ah with Ross talking about
00:43:05
Speaker
You know, values of different positions and where, what makes an elite team? If you were building a team like Moneyball style or whatever, um like what positions would you invest in first? And there's, there's all sorts of data that Russ rus can compiled and basically just kind of centered on a couple handful of positions. if you were you had a limited funds, like where would you invest them? And I think that we were, the whole topic of conversation was centered around, you know, why can't we get wider elite wide receivers? And that seemed to be one of the positions that was a key component for an elite team.
00:43:42
Speaker
Yeah. And I do, I think that we want to talk about this season is Georgia. and I think it's a pretty good example of it is still possible, even in the transfer portal era to do the Alabama thing, because I think what Georgia is doing is the Alabama thing. You know, I think the offense is inconsistent. So like, how do you solve for a really talented, but inconsistent offense from a program building standpoint?
00:44:04
Speaker
you just play like like low margin suffocating ball, right? Like you you you imp you you sack the quarterback a bunch, you get punts, and then if you have to play it well, you probably are more talented on defense than they are on an offense. And every time but one, that worked, right? And You see the one time it didn't work. I mean, it was basically because of one wide receiver, right? And, uh, yeah, and turnovers, but yes, there there is like a reverse triple option thing that
Georgia Football: Past and Present
00:44:31
Speaker
goes on. I think with like Alabama, Georgia level things where it's like, you know, there's the whole thing about how, like, why do you do the triple optional? You do the triple option because you can't recruit offensive linemen, right? So you need a not, you need an offensive system that will do, you know, exactly what you want.
00:44:47
Speaker
It will that will overcome that gap because you're kind of playing asymmetrical warfare every time you play a better team than you. But I think teams like Georgia can kind of do the reverse thing where they're like, well, we don't have XYZ, but we can just basically throw talent at the program. Right. Like if you have 21 pressures on 34 pass dropbacks against the opposing offense, if it doesn't matter if your quarterback throws three picks.
00:45:08
Speaker
And I think that's kind of what we're doing. We're doing like a reverse triple option where we're just like, we will just be so overwhelmingly talented, more talented than the other team at a specific position or a specific group of positions that it doesn't matter at the places where we have fundamental weaknesses, right? Like, Oh, our Titans, our Titans can't catch. Well, Michael Williams deal with that. And then we'll move from there. Right. like Right. And he wasn't healthy against Alabama too. like Right. Yeah. I mean, there we go. Right. like Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:38
Speaker
I am. I do think it's wild that we're at where we're at. And we still, we still haven't played it, I would say a fully complete game. No, I think in Texas, that wasn't that wasn't a complete game, because the offense wasn't there, um or not, whatever, not clicking on all cylinders. So I don't know, I think that's should be scary for others. If we can figure that out, and pull it together.
00:45:59
Speaker
I'm trying to, I don't know how to like talk about this like without it being like a Kirby smart hagiography and my like built-in like aversion to, that's hard for me to do because I i i inherently mistrust authority, right? So it's it's hard for me to be nice about a rich white man. But I will say, I i think that there is, I think Kirby is really good at coaching over an entire season.
00:46:25
Speaker
Uh, you know, sometimes he's a little too like small C conservative for me as a game day coach. And I think he'd probably go for it one fourth down more if he wanted, but I think he is just really good at the psychological side of it. And in terms of, I think he treats it, I noticed like, did you guys watch the little like mini movie that they made about the Texas game? Oh, yes. Fantastic.
00:46:47
Speaker
Oh, so good. Yeah. And the like real shady thing with the bottles. That was great, but was good one it was, it was cinema. It was cinema. Oh, so good. So petty, so petty. so And we learned about, and on our, and on our long on our Texas preview, we learned about why, because we talked about the Longhorn network and the Delaware Valley oil reserves for like an hour. Super, super awesome episode, by the way. I was like, Oh, you already got me on the fun facts. Yeah. no Yeah, no, Yara. Yara will do something. And Nathan. And Nathan. No, but see, here's the thing. I have this, like, deep, like, like I have, ah like, a ah incumbency advantage, right, over Yara, because there are things that are just, like, seem like fun facts to her, but they happen when I was alive. You know what I'm saying? Where I'm like, yeah, I know where Johnny Manziel went to college. He went to college when I went to college. And she's like, whoa. And I'm like, oh, damn.
00:47:39
Speaker
And then she says, whoa, and I feel like the grasp of death around my throat. But, um, but then Yara gets real sneaky because like, I will know more trivia because it's stuff that I know. And then, but Yara is so much more online than me that she'll just be like, well, I can also get on Wikipedia. And then she's just like famous people from Texas. i was like Yeah, dude.
00:48:02
Speaker
this is the oil they provide This is what I provide to the space. I don't do stats. I i got 1A in college statistics and that was it. That was what I needed for my communications degree. What I lack in stats I make up for in personality hires. Oh yeah!
00:48:20
Speaker
nothing Look, you've got to have the right vibes. That is important. And I think, too, I mean, you have a very different perspective than the other three of us on here right now, Yara. And that, I mean, you basically, you only know Kirby Smart, Jordan Bulldogs, right? I mean, that's it.
00:48:39
Speaker
for you. Yes. ah And that's, that's great. That's great. All I know is no dogs and Kirby smart. And it is so much fun. My first, I'm so sorry for the aging that is about to occur. My first loss was in 2021 against Alabama in the, in the SEC championship. That was it. And I was crying so hard in the stands with my 45 pounds she fell on my shoulders.
00:49:08
Speaker
I have never felt older than when we lost to Alabama this year. And she was like, she texted me after the loss and she said, Nathan, how do you deal with a Georgia loss? yeah And I was just like, Oh God. only Tell me you haven't seen Georgia lose to the West Virginia on the sugar bowl.
00:49:26
Speaker
ah Well, no, no, you're a, you're a, my last game as a red coat. And I knew it was my last game. I had a victory lap because I didn't get into UGA's undergrad English ed program. And I had to switch my major, but whatever my fifth year, I knew it was going to my last game. I'd already gotten into grad school starting the next semester. My last game as a red coat was that we'd lost to UCF in Jacksonville. No, in Memphis, it was even worse. It was, it was, it was Tennessee. No, we lost to the universe. No, Memphis, Tennessee. Yes. Yes. Not Memphis, Egypt. Memphis, Tennessee. Yes. We went to the music city bowl. We had gone is it like, it's a Liberty bowl, right? Liberty bowl. Liberty bowl. That was Nashville. We went to the Liberty bowl. We had gotten a, we had had a horrible season. I think we went six and six, um, or so maybe seven and five or something. And we went and we played a bill, uh, not Bill O'Reilly. Um, what was that guy's name?
00:50:26
Speaker
It was, uh, Georgia, lee Georgia, Larry coached UCF team and we lost and I was, I packed my horn up and this at the Sousa truck and the buses were all the way over. And I was like having this kind of moment of introspection about like, Oh, we lost six to seven, by the way. Um, and I was having this moment of introspection.
00:50:47
Speaker
Yara looks like she just saw a snuff film. I was telling this moment of introspection about like, Hey, you know, the winds don't matter. Um, you know, I'm going to walk across this big parking lot and get into the Sousa bus and be around my friends and like really the meaningful part of Redcoats is family. And that's what being a Georgia fan is all about. And I'm having this thought to myself and I'm like walking across and I have like a quarter mile to go to the buses and I see the lights, of the buses and the bottom falls out.
00:51:12
Speaker
I'm talking like torrential December downfall of rain. And I'm just it was so cold and it was raining at like 39 degrees and on my wool uniform. And I just like walked into the bus like Charlie Brown, like and then I sat down and they're like, hey, man, are you OK? And I was like, I don't know. And I just sat there silently all the way back to the hotel. And that's how my college career in Redcoats ended. And then you're like, how do I deal with a UGA loss?
00:51:41
Speaker
And I was like, I don't. Was it, let me ask you a question. Was it two field goals or was it a touchdown with an unsuccessful extra point? Yara, it was two field goals. It was two field goals. We were happy when we scored a field goal in the fourth to get within one point of UCF Yara. In the third quarter. Yara, I went to an Independence Bowl and we played Texas A&M when they were in the Big 12. I went to an Independence Bowl in Shreveport, Louisiana, and I was happy to go, Yara. I was happy to be there. We got to go to the Shreveport casino. Yara, I've seen things you wouldn't even believe. I was scared. Done ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. All these memories gone like tears and rain. Yara, you don't even know. I'm like an android whose body is dying.
00:52:27
Speaker
I'm not even scared of you. I'm scared of the Liberty Bowl. When I got to Georgia, we lost to Georgia Tech my first three years in college. what
00:52:43
Speaker
Yara in five years, I had one win against Florida and I was happy. We never, we never beat Florida. I was the same Nathan. So I was 98, 98 to 02, which by the way, aging myself, I actually went to school with Kirby smart, uh, for one. who for one semester. My, my freshman, the fall, like the football season my freshman year was Kirby's last. Uh, you know, so, you know, not the best team, but it did have Kirby smart, uh, champ Bailey, you know, like there were a lot of great players on the team.
00:53:17
Speaker
um But yeah, so yeah, we lost the tech those first three years. um But hey, I'm glad i I'm glad I made the fifth because my fifth and final year was the first time we here's this Yara, when I was a senior or my redshirt senior year, I'd like to call it was actually the first time Georgia ever qualified and went to the SEC Championship game. ah And then we won it. But that was the first time we'd ever been. Yara, two thousand I never went to an SEC Championship game.
00:53:45
Speaker
as this is it jeff Yeah. Yeah, Yara. The year after I got out was the 2012 SEC championship. The most heartbreaking loss in modern UGA history, arguably, I mean, maybe, well, arguably one of the most heartbreaking losses. And I was sad that I didn't get to be there for that. went So Nathan, you were six to 10 guys. six i think Yeah. Okay.
00:54:08
Speaker
These are the good old days, Yara. These are the good old days. What do you mean by good? They were old days. I don't know if I would consider them now. Today is the good old days. Yara, I will say. You're living in the good old days. You're living in the good old days. There is. So 10 years from now, you'll you'll look back and be like. In defense, I would like to provide a defense of mediocre football briefly.
00:54:28
Speaker
um It is way easier to have a normal well-adjusted life when your team is not good. Way easier. yeah Because you're like, oh, we lost to Kentucky? Oh, whatever. I'm going to spend time with my wife. Like, yeah, that's fine. Heartbreaking loss to Georgia Tech, not a big deal. Yara, if we lost to Georgia Tech now, they'd have to check me into a mental institute. Like, I would get involuntarily committed if we lost to Georgia Tech now.
00:54:55
Speaker
And if we lost when we lost to Paul, we lost to Paul Johnson right after I graduated, we lost to Paul Johnson in Georgia Tech, and I was sitting in a cigar bar, and i I just had the rest of my day. It was a good day. but Now, Yara, now I can't drink on game days. that's mike That's my pathos. There's a part of me that misses when we were eight and four, because at least I can like i don't miss it, but like I do yearn for a time when I wasn't so fully committed to my own mental illness.
00:55:26
Speaker
See, I was always I the problem with me, though, was back in those days, I would still convince myself that like, this is the year, you know, every year. Oh, wow so yeah, I was one of those guys. ah I've definitely ah been accused of being a ah ah Disney dog. I've definitely been called a Disney dog. Yeah. Yeah. That's it.
00:55:45
Speaker
You are back when we didn't win all the time. ah Those who thought we were going to were called Disney Dogs, I think. and I don't know. Yeah, they were. I i would say as it was always a happy story. It was never bad. Yeah. Do you remember? I think that this account doesn't exist anymore. But do you guys remember Nihilism Dog? Yeah. oh yeah Yeah. UGA Nihilist. UGA Nihilist, yeah. UGA Nihilist, when he was first posting, when we first had this, Ayora, this might've been when you were on Twitter with UGA, but there was this guy who had this thing called UGA Nihilist and just like everything he posted was about like the death of the universe.
UGA Nihilist Twitter and Season Outlook
00:56:22
Speaker
It was not just like the dogs are going to lose. It was like, even in this win, one day we'll all be in the dirt and our accomplishments will be forgotten kind of thing.
00:56:31
Speaker
I actually had to, I didn't mute that account when we started getting like really good. Cause it would frustrate me. Yeah. I just vividly remember that he started following us and we had some fun exchanges. Like i I liked him. I don't know who he is. I think it was, you know, um, it was an anonymous account, but I do remember vividly like.
00:56:50
Speaker
There was a moment where I was like, do you like us because you're looking for fodder for why things could go wrong? is they You're like, this is a new source of data for why out how this trade could go off the tracks, I think. Right, right, right. What do you all think? This is most recent most recent tweet just cracked me up. You might be excited or even happy about the the result tonight talking about the Texas game, but one day,
00:57:15
Speaker
One day soon, we'll all be dead. Forgotten remnants on a dead planet spinning aimlessly in the golden barren universe. Okay, so the account's still around. but he's ah easy's He's a genius. He's a freaking genius. um Or she. I don't know. i fair What do we think about the rest of the season? Where are we at? where Where's the head at?
00:57:37
Speaker
o Well, I'm taking this season ah great now because I know that an eight and four season happened to you guys. They were worse. like A season where you went to Memphis to play in the Liberty Bowl. I went to Memphis to play in the Liberty Bowl and it was not the worst bowl I went to as a student. There we go.
00:57:58
Speaker
It's it you guys talking about that kind of reminds me of so when I went to the Mississippi State game I went with my really good friend Sage who just graduated from I hope she doesn't mind that I'm saying your name, but she won't but um She just graduated from Mississippi State And she was just coming to see the the game. And she was like, yeah, I know we're going to lose, but it's still going to be a really great time. And yeah, she had a fun time. And she cheered for the Mississippi State Bulldogs. And she did not bring her cowbell. But she cheered for them anyway. And, you know, they did lose. But something she said when we were trying to walk back home, like really resonated with me.
00:58:39
Speaker
And she said something like, you know, we only lost by 10. We did better than I thought we would. What the do you mean you only lost by 10? What do you mean? We, I, God, I, we lost to Alabama and I had to sit in like my room and think for the next few days, I, oh my God. It was so, I was like sobbing upset when we lost Alabama in 2021.
00:59:07
Speaker
I was sobbing and Jameson Williams laughed in my face, but that's a story for another day. But oh my God, I have someone, would someone currently on this zoom call texted me the other day and said, good news. Jameson Williams just got suspended for violating the NFL PD rules. And it wasn't John or Jim.
00:59:29
Speaker
and they did yeah Listen, he laughed at me in my face. And that is my villain origin story. I hate Alabama. I hate Alabama. Wow. Oh my god. I feel I feel good about the season of the rest of it. You know, I mean, I think um I mean, we're coming up on four year anniversary since anybody not named Alabama has beaten Georgia. Yeah. And I am a firm believer in, as long as Kirby, Kirby smart as the head coach, we're going to be in just about every game because he's built this, he's built this engine. And the only team that can beat Georgia is Georgia, even when we play Alabama.
01:00:12
Speaker
Yeah, especially when we play Alabama, right? here's that Here's the thing. This is this is the kind of what I'm about to say is the kind of thing that gets clipped out by opposing fans after we lose. But whatever, that's fine. I've been hoisted on that partard before, but.
01:00:30
Speaker
I genuinely think that Tennessee has a Mickey Mouse offense that beats up on bad teams. And I think Nico is really, yeah, I think Nico is really good, but I don't think that they have really good defense, but I just don't think their offense is going to light us up. And yeah, I think that we'll probably be, um, I think we'll, it'll probably be a pretty close game just cause they have a good defense, but I feel, I feel pretty good about Tennessee and I mean, you know, old Joey freshwater, you never know what you're going to get out of him. Um, but Kirby smarts, I think Kirby's got their number. Like, yeah, he has pretty good history. and oftens well i Yeah, go ahead. No, you're good. I was going to go on something else. Kind of historic. Well, historically, as in like the last nine years or whatever it is, Kirby smart has generally speaking,
01:01:24
Speaker
a better, his teams usually have like the best success rate, EPA yard per play margin, everything in the first and third quarter, because I think he's just is really good at in-game adjustments and he's really good at, um you know, pre-game just planning. And that I think was what was so shocking about the Alabama game. I'm not sure that another team has, that's not named like Ohio State has the talent to do that to Georgia, basically.
01:01:53
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And what what I was going to go into was, and I don't want to go on my like anti, um, get on my old man rant about 12 team playoffs and and conference expansion. So I won't totally go into that, but we, what we joked about before the season and I'm starting to see it could potentially pan out was like, man, if you get that number, if you finished third in the sec, uh, not a bad place to be. And right now, like you could argue.
01:02:20
Speaker
Like if Georgia, there is a world where Georgia wins out, doesn't make the SEC championship game. Um, so like the, the between Texas A&M and LSU are there both out of Georgia right now. There's a scenario where I think it's if LSU loses that game, then, but then beats Alabama and wins out. Then, you know, in theory, it could still be A&M and LSU for rematch. And that scenario in Georgia wins out.
01:02:44
Speaker
Remember three, that probably puts us at the five seed in the playoff, which is a fantastic spot. Cause then you get the 12 seed in the opening round. You've already, you don't need to worry about not having a buy in the playoff. Cause you've already got a buy from not playing in the SEC championship game. Um, so that would kind of be a ah wild scenario. Do you want to know, I'm trying to think about what I can talk about this without getting fired. Okay.
01:03:08
Speaker
Let me tell you something about that game, if we have an on-campus UGA game. If you're wondering what the plan is for an on-campus UGA game in the middle of December, the answer is that nobody knows. And that I have been told by people that I think would know. And I also don't think that's a UGA problem. I don't think that's like some scandal at UGA. I think that it is easy to forget the logistical nightmare that is putting on a college football game.
01:03:36
Speaker
And if I have, I know this is like such a contrarian take, but I actually don't mind the 12 team playoff. I just don't think that the home games are a good idea. They put a lot of money into the community. And so I guess they are like a net positive, but like I.
01:03:55
Speaker
Like the things that you have to do to make a college football game happen that aren't happening on the field are so massive that it like like hurts my head and I deal with like a tiny little fraction of it and I'm not even in charge of it. You know what I mean? Like, yeah. And there's so much of a college football game that is like a mechanical Turk where you just like, you wind it up and you wind it up and you wind it up and it just sort of like goes, right? People are just the right place because This is when college football season is every year. And this is the day college football season happens. And you know, we have enough parking because this is when that happens and the dorms are open for the kids because here's when the dorms should be open. And I mean, dorms, concessions, um, like tailgating permits, like there are police at every Georgia game from 15, 20 different jurisdictions in Georgia, right? There are, and it's not just like GSP, local police sheriffs. It's like school police are there. GBI is there.
01:04:49
Speaker
I mean, the, the, the nerve center for Georgia's in studio or in game, um, footage is in the, is, it's behind the Hartman fund. Uh, if you're up on the like club level, there's like that Hartman fund lounge and back behind there in this like really creepy looking door is like where all of the, the feed goes through. Those people have like full-time jobs. Like there's just so much. Yeah. Like.
01:05:16
Speaker
Yeah, i I do think you're right. I think being that like for the football team, Georgia, being the five seed would be a good thing for everyone involved in making a Georgia football game happen. Being a five seed is like an emerging anxiety nightmare.
01:05:33
Speaker
Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. i the think The thing that like that where I cringe about like even those words coming out of my mouth of like, hey, it'd be a good thing to miss the SEC championship game. like yeah That hurts me. like Yeah. Because to me, like that was always a thing. And I go back to like this was like what Mark Rick used to say. right It's like, your your goals are layered. but So it used to be.
01:05:58
Speaker
first goal, win the East, right? Second goal, win the SEC. Third goal, you know, when back then it was a win your bowl game or whatever, but like, you know, ah and it's just, it's different now. And I, my concern was always like, uh,
01:06:14
Speaker
I don't know, like, you know, you want to win, et cetera, but are the coaches that they in the way the sport has morphed. It's like, you want to win the national championship and winning the conference championship. Isn't this big of a factor in that anymore? I don't think, I think the watermark is going to be, you want to be in the playoffs. Cause I don't think people are going to want that five seed for as long because I think the increasing parody people are going to want that five seed until the 12 seed wins.
Georgia's Football Traditions and Uniforms
01:06:42
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Yeah, it's not crazy. There have been fifth best college football teams in the nation that would lose to like Boise State. You know what I'm saying? Like, right. It's usually not going to happen, but it could happen. Georgia being one of them.
01:06:57
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah. Yara's like, what? Yara's like, what? Yeah, I'm just here. However, but the 50s- What do you mean guys? Yeah, we did. We once lost to Boise State and we were hideous uniforms. Wait, y'all were serious? I thought you were joking. Let me find the Georgia State UGA uniform. And Ashton, and Ashton Genet's presumable predecessor was not there. This was just normal state from Indiana. The quarterback there, was it Zelensky or something like that? He was. Yeah. Was he still there that year? I guess he, he was. There was something. Zabranzky was there the year we beat them in, in, in Athens. I think he was gone at that point. Yeah, he had these horrendous uniforms that were like, that were like the, like the catalyst for all the hatred that is apparent with any uniform suggestion changes.
01:07:56
Speaker
Let's talk about uniforms with Yara. Yara, what's your take on alternate uniforms for Georgia? Do you care? Um, do they interest you at all? Are you just like, yeah, whatever. I like the, I like the silver pants. I think they're really nice. I don't think that the blackout is a super smart idea. Cause every time we do that, I feel like we just flop. Like we, we enter the flop era. um truly are like You truly are a child of the Kirby smart era.
01:08:22
Speaker
yeah's true yeah No uniform. I think, I think on the one hand, I think UGA has like some of the better uniforms in the nation and there are things about them that I think are like perfect. I do miss the like throwback whites that we had that one year, the Vince Dooley whites yeah with the red pants. Yeah, that was really cool.
01:08:46
Speaker
I, I, there is, I don't know if you guys have seen like, I know they own them and they're never going to use them, but I don't know if you have, um, um, seen the like UGA white football, you like all white that they do for the recruits. Oh yeah. I think those are pretty cool. Yeah. even though the well home right Yeah, I think those are pretty cool. Um, I don't know. Personally, like I'm just like, I'm not really, uh, like much of a tradition guy in the sense that I think our, our normal uniforms are great, but like whatever throw it out there, like, let's try.
01:09:20
Speaker
Like yeah, you're gonna have some stinkers like right I I always feel like you know like when does a tradition start and what is quote quote unquote traditional because We didn't even have the power G on the helmet until Vince Dooley like in the 60s like we used to wear A silver helmet, you know, and then there's a silver helmet with a block G on it. Yeah The silver helmet is really cool. I think it is too I mean I would love like a homecoming throwback with a silver helmet with a block G, but I I I have to say that my, I hope that my wife cannot hear this because this is like a stereotypical Nathan thing. I freaking love Matt helmets. I love Matt helmets and Chrome helmets. And anytime we play a team with one of them, I will send her an image. And before the image loads on our chat, she'll be like, if this is a picture of another team's football helmet,
01:10:08
Speaker
like we are getting a divorce like we we played Kentucky a few years ago um and it was two years ago and they had like the white they had all white and they had like the chrome helmets with the blue stripe and I was like on the field pre-game like very creepily just taking a picture of this guy's helmet like up close like you know four feet away from him and my wife was like are you did you go on the field to get that picture and I was like look at how cool these helmets are
01:10:37
Speaker
That's right. I like the textures. Right. Right. Kellen Moore was the quarterback, Jim. Oh, Kellen Moore. Oh, yeah. It was, was he the one who beat, um, did he beat Oklahoma? That was actually the other guy. So they, that was Zabranski. Yeah. Cause the, and that was, so Zabranski was the quarterback when they came to Athens in 2005. Right. Cause that was Shockley's first start. of the Shockley. Yeah.
01:11:00
Speaker
Yeah. And then the following year, Zabranski was still there. And that was the one when they beat Oklahoma and the what Fiesta Bowl, I think the Fiesta Bowl. Yeah. And they're trying to think when they came to Athens girlfriend. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah.
01:11:16
Speaker
When they came to Athens was when they had, um, I can't remember the coach's name now, the guy that ended up going to Colorado. Um, but it was Peterson when they won the the following year. Peter Peterson. Yeah. Cause Peterson was the coach when they won that. And Mack, Mike McIntyre, I think was the guy who went to Colorado, right? Mack. He's got, he yelled about, he yelled about girls. No, no, he was at Western Michigan. Um, originally.
01:11:40
Speaker
He was a guy he would like quote Yoda and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Have you all ever been to Idaho? No, no, no. Idaho is how you imagine Utah to be. Utah, Idaho is beautiful too. Everybody thinks of Utah as being Mormon. I'm confused.
01:11:59
Speaker
confu well yeah Dan Hawkins. Yeah, Dan Hawkins. Dan Hawkins. Okay, here's the thing. like and no one wants to like go into Mormon Church Slander more than me so like I'm ready to have that conversation but um you think people think of Utah as being like oh there's just a bunch of weirdos out there and like it's like cultish and stuff but if you go to Utah it's like everyone's so nice to you it's uncomfortable And it's the most beautiful clean place on earth. Right. Idaho is also beautiful. It's fricking gorgeous, but it is literally cultish. Like, like if you look up instances of paramilitary activity and domestic violent or sorry, domestic terrorism, there is a huge clump in Northern Idaho. Like where was Ruby Ridge? happen Where did Ruby Ridge happen? I went out there one time
Personal Anecdotes and Family Background
01:12:49
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on a work. Um, I used to work at a, uh, egg processing machine shop.
01:12:54
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um it You did what? Yeah. So this is Carol. This is Carrolton activities. this is but so My, my, huh wow. I guess now we can get more, you want more Nathan, Laura, my best friend growing up, we met in like third grade. His name is Ethan. We went to UJ together. We were roommates the whole five years together. He was in red coats.
01:13:23
Speaker
He taught for a little bit. He was a science teacher and then he left teaching and he, big and he took over his dad's, his dad's not took over, but he works with his dad. His dad owns one of the two or three places on the planet that, um, like repairs, fabricates for parts for, and services in use, uh, egg processing machines, which like, when you get eggs out of an egg house, there was like a huge process of like, uh,
01:13:50
Speaker
sorting them, washing them, checking them for cracks, checking them for blood, and then packaging them. And it's like basically, it's like a series of sort of like, conveyor of belt almost styles machines the size of like a like ah warehouse. They're giant, right? um and And you know, like big egg processing place places will have like five or six lines running. So that's what his dad did. It was very lucrative because, you know, they're like one of the two or three people that do this thing in the world and like,
01:14:18
Speaker
One of the only independent shops that do it. So, uh, basically I would go there over the summer and I would help them. Like I, I learned to run like a industrial level lathe and a CNC machine and, um, like how to assemble circuits and stuff. And, but also, and got paid really well in cash, but then the downside was sometimes I just cleaned egg that had been dried on something. Um.
01:14:44
Speaker
for like six weeks for like a full day, you know? Uh, so I got a lot of handyman skills, but now if I spill scrambled eggs onto the stove top, I have to leave the kitchen. Like I was flipping an omelet. This happened two days ago. I was flipping an omelet. I would made Brenner for my wife and I flipped the second omelet and some of it like splashed over and got on the stove.
01:15:05
Speaker
And I was like, you have to finish this. I'm like, I cannot be in here. I will, I will like, I'm having fun because I have smelled things. Those were my two high school and college jobs is that I worked at a night processing machine machine shop. And then I worked at a vet's office. So like, that's why I'm basically impossible to gross out now.
01:15:26
Speaker
And then my mom is a nurse midwife who has delivered thousands of babies who had a really like, if you ask a question, you get a full scientific answer attitude. So, um, there wasn't really room in my, uh, world growing up to be faint of heart because, you know, like when you're nine and you ask mom, like what's an episiotomy and she's like, Oh, let me show you. I have like a dummy that shows that you can't unsee it. Now we know where you get it from.
01:15:52
Speaker
yeah Yeah, no. Yeah, this was not, I was not made in a lab. This was grown. This is Georgia grown. Apples and trees. but I'm totally going to listen to Table Bill Curve in a different way after tonight. And that's yeah i think it's a good thing. That's a good thing. But I will say, um once you have disassembled a machine that is like, once you've disassembled and reassembled 150 egg scales, I can really work around the house pretty pretty well. like It's way easier to fix things around the house than it is to like you know diagnose the problems in like a tiny circuit board that is like shutting down a warehouse size machine or whatever. Interesting. Yeah. yeah
01:16:30
Speaker
I enjoyed it. I didn't know that about you. This is Carleton Lore. I grew up working. This is superb. My parents were both very well educated, but we grew up basically working poor because my mom was a nurse with a wife, which is a historically underpaid job, and my dad is a minister. And the thing about being a minister is that the vast majority of ministers make very little money, and the ones who make money, it's a tiny amount make 90% of the money in the profession.
01:16:55
Speaker
um And I don't think my dad would be upset me saying that like it's it's like kind of a fully known thing like if you are not a mega church pastor you're really not making much money and then you also have to pay self-employment taxes. um So like i I am secretly white trash is what I tell my students.
01:17:15
Speaker
like i When my parents got divorced, my mom moved to a place called Klim. We raised chickens. Klim's outside of Carrollton. um I didn't eat ground beef at home for like the first 20 years of my life because we just hunted.
01:17:29
Speaker
like at at my yeah like i I am confident I own more guns than anyone else on this. recording channel, like fully confident. So you you need to like go hunting with, uh, with, with the players, like with, I would love that. Like with tape. Yeah. I don't have a, our, the hunting land that we are a part of isn't, Oh my God, it's so white trash. The hunting club that we're a part of is in Alabama. Um, Oh, gee, I'll okay.
01:17:57
Speaker
ah use this this i I have family that is into my dad into this stuff. So my dad, um, we're not really like black gun people. Like we're not like AR 15 people. Like my dad is like a marksman and like we, my dad is like a real, like you hunt to fill the freezer. And if you're going out for any other reason than filling the freezer, like you shouldn't be going out basically. Um, at my like wedding reception or my wedding ah rehearsal, we served wild boar that my dad had killed as barbecue.
01:18:25
Speaker
It was really good. um but tons of million Yeah, it was amazing. But my dad retired. It's kind of the first time in his life that he's had, you know, a steady income and kind of has financial security and like a good way, love it for him. And so, but his sort of like retirement, midlife crisis gift to himself was that he was like, I'm going to have a gun made. So two summers ago, we kept on going up, we went to Jefferson like six or seven times to go see his gunsmith.
01:18:51
Speaker
And we had this rifle like custom made that can go up. We've only gotten it out to 750 yards, but it can go up to 1,000. And then my dad and I um started a silencer trust because you have to have a trust with the ATF and feds to own a so a suppressor.
01:19:07
Speaker
Um, and so we bought three or four suppressors and you have to have a trust so that if, if one member of the trust holder, my dad, when he dies, if, if I'm not on the trust, I have to give them back to the feds. Um, so yeah. And the reason I'm, yeah, the reason I'm confident I own more guns than ever, anyone else here is because, uh, when my dad had his like modeling moment, when he turned 70, his reaction was to be like, Hey, I need you to come to my house and we're going to look at my gun safe and talk about like.
01:19:34
Speaker
What guns do you get when I die and what guns I give to my friends in one of my guns? Yeah. So learning so much right now. about this is didn't know This is so cool. No, the yeah this is the hard hitting. This is the hard hitting by the content. Oh, ask me whatever you want, man. The tattoos and the ear piercings are just so people won't think that I'm racist.
01:19:56
Speaker
Like I got my ears pierced so that my people so that people wouldn't see like a dude with a beard and a red Georgia polo and be like, that guy's probably pretty problematic. I'm just trying to like, I'm trying to virtue signal to people that you can trust me to hold, i can I'll hold your drink and be trustworthy about it. Like that's what I want them to know, you know? And then I don't tell them all of that, but it is great with mine. That's why it's i'm I've been very comfortable working in commerce because I'm like, Oh yeah.
01:20:23
Speaker
season started this weekend. When do you guys hunt? And I actually it's not like, so i I didn't, I didn't grow up there, but that's where like my mom's side of the family is from where you're at, Nathan. So really, my mom went to Banks County. Oh, hell yeah. My mom went to Banks County high school. Actually, you know, my, so my second cousin, uh, one's removed, I believe, Sammy Brown, that both Yeah, I taught him he was I was his ninth grade English teacher Yeah that I know I don't know him his his his grandma and my mom our first cousins see his mom now we can blame Nathan Yeah, everyone everyone always blames me for for Sammy going to Clemson
01:21:01
Speaker
Um, i don't know him I have stories about that. Um, his mom gave me all three of my COVID shots because she's the, like the local pharmacist and Carmen commerce, but, oh, everybody in commerce knew he was going. He went to commerce his freshman year and then his dad left commerce. His dad was the coach there. And then he went to Jefferson with his dad.
01:21:20
Speaker
But, um, everybody knew he was going to Clemson because his dad had been on staff at Furman, which is like functionally like a sister program to Clemson, like structurally, they share a lot of stuff. Um, but like, I knew he was going to Clemson like his freshman year. Like that was like, that was in the bag. Like that was always going to happen. I tried to tell everyone that, but you know, people, people don't listen. I'm trying to think if I could tell a story about him, like if I'm going to be violating FERPA, I don't think I will.
01:21:48
Speaker
Okay. This is really, ah no, no, this is, this is appropriate. And this is something that happened to him. This is something that happened to you who him. So I had a kid who will remain nameless, who was, you know, had some, had some issues. Um, really, really sweet kid who just loved Sammy Brown and Sam Sammy to his, well, I mean, Sam is whatever we call it. Brown to his, his everlasting credit was just like so patient with this kid and so nice to him. Um,
01:22:17
Speaker
one day comes into my class his ninth grade year and i'm like because he was kind of a you know kind of like just a ninth grade like boy like he'd be silly like he's really smart really really smart kid but just kind of be dumb um i'm not saying he's dumb but when you're in ninth grade you can act so and then comes in one day yeah right me me too i'm not above it he comes in his ninth grade year and and i'm like boy why do you not have shoes on in my classroom and i'm about to give him like Like I, like sometimes as a teacher, you're like, I'm about to wind up on this son of a, like I, had like you were about to get both barrels. Like I'm so nice most of the time, but you're getting this one. And I was just like, and yeah I swear to God, if you don't get your horrible, like crew neck, socked feet off of my floor, I'm going to lose my mind. And this poor kid, he's like, Oh, I'm sorry. Uh, so-and-so stole my shoes. So this, this kid really liked him.
01:23:14
Speaker
like I guess he just wanted his shoes but like not in a like he wanted to steal them way but in a like I want a piece of this person that I like you know kind of way and so this poor Sammy was just like such a sweet kid that he was just like okay and he was just like walking around without his shoes with I was like I was like oh my god hold on and so I'd go like find the other kid and be like give me those shoes I smell this horrible man's feet for an hour and a half, uh, high school. Yeah. But yeah. So that's high school that's where my, that that said, my family, that's where, uh, banks County is yeah. Every redneck, like Homer. Oh yeah. like we They're right by Homer.
01:23:56
Speaker
Every redneck County has another County that is adjacent to them that they think is more redneck. Jackson thinks that banks is more redneck banks think that that Raven is more redneck and it's just like a chain. Yeah. When I was in Carroll County, we thought Harrelson was more redneck and they're like, Oh, we're not Hicks. It's those people in Harrelson County. No, I like the County where I'm from in Calvita. Oh yeah, exactly. Yeah. Those, those idiots in Noonan, they don't have running water.
Football Game Analyses and Predictions
01:24:21
Speaker
Now, I don't think this is still the case because i think it got surpassed, but when I was little, the world's largest Easter egg hunt used to be in Banks County. There was a farm in Banks County that used to host the world's largest Easter egg hunt, but I think they got surpassed at some, at some point.
01:24:35
Speaker
The reason that, uh, Yara earlier said, this is Carrollton law is because Yara grew up, grew up in Douglasville. And if you live in Douglasville, Carrollton is like the redneck hick town. I went to Yara's hometown to go to Arbor place because they had a Barnes and Noble and Carrollton didn't.
01:24:52
Speaker
mean Harbor replace was the fancy area down there. That's for sure. Oh, yeah. How did you guys, how did you guys view Griffin? I did not think of Griffin at all. ah Griffin, Griffin was the town. I don't think about you at all. The way we view Griffin was as the town you drive through to get to the airport. Okay.
01:25:12
Speaker
I think we, I think Douglasville and Carrolson both have like I-20 supremacy because I think Noonan has like I-85 like, uh, has like an up jumped, like I-85 privilege as well. We had to, we had to drive through Noonan to get to, um, to get to the, yeah, Noonan and Sonoya. Oh yeah. Yeah. So what are we, what are we thinking? Like for this year, I'm going to just briefly make everyone talk about football.
01:25:37
Speaker
I was just about to say, we could probably do ah the pick-ups for this week or whatever. or look at look Yeah, let's do it. kind I would love to. i just say i say that I say that as though I have that prepared. i can put I can get it up. Yeah. I learned more about Georgia in the past hour than I think I did in the past eight years that I've lived here. This was crazy. Wow.
01:26:00
Speaker
I love that. Navy neutered aim. That's one. That's fun. Ooh, that is fun. Man, see, this is where an our are you guys are aware of the ah Army and Navy could both go undefeated and play each other twice stuff. Yeah. Yeah. With the conference championship game. The stupidest thing ever.
01:26:17
Speaker
Yeah, so I kind of, I mean, I want Navy to win because that would just be so insane to me if that comes to fruition. um And I just don't know anything about Notre Dame, man. Like, I'm gonna go Navy. Hold on. Let me, I like to pull some numbers. Yeah, I've been pretty good Navy on that one. It says as of right now, um Notre Dame is a 12.5 favorite over Navy. That's at least what I'm reading.
01:26:41
Speaker
Yeah, our numbers have Notre Dame as ah is being about 19 points higher, better than Navy. But, um, let me see what the actual score Notre Dame 30, 36 Navy 17. That's SP plus. Oh dear. Yeah. I'm going to go. and I'm going to go Notre Dame. Like Navy ain't played nobody. Yeah.
01:27:03
Speaker
Maybe I ain't playing nobody, Paul. ah Well, historically, that's not true. In 2024, the Navy fans out there are being like, what about the Japanese Imperial Navy? You fool. How dare you forget about Yamamoto? um All right. I think the big SEC game is LSU Texas A&M, right? Yeah. I got i got A and&M on that one. Jim?
01:27:29
Speaker
um i'm actually trying to pull up my it's it's it's at anm right um i believe yes yes it is at anm if it were if if it were in just valley i would have a different answer but Give me LSU because I like them more. I think that they're so cool. I like their Tigers. I like the way that they say E-A-U-X. I had to spell it in my head, sorry. but my day I had to think about it. I like them more than I like Texas A and&M.
01:27:59
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I'm going. alexia i The vibes are way better with LSU for sure. Oh my god, yes. They have a tiger in their campus and they treat it humanely. That is so cool. It's like a pet. You want to see some culture shock? Watch any other band around Texas A&M's band.
01:28:17
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el Other bands look at Texas A and&M's band the way that people who don't know about marching band look at marching bands where they're like, oh, that's cool. I don't understand what's happening right now, but that's cool. That's how other band kids are to Texas A&M. It's the most different band at the FBS like than anybody else. In what way? like how how how could you As a non-ball knower, non-band knower, what does that mean?
01:28:45
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That's true. YAR and I are not ball knowers. We are band knowers. That is for sure. Well, there's basically, okay, there's two modern traditions of marching band. There's course, core style bands and traditional bands. Okay. If you want to be reductive, it is basically like white bands and HBCU bands, right? Our core style bands are HBCU bands, white band, or sorry, traditional bands are HBCU bands, white bands are you know, your core. That's a huge, redund very reductive, but that's your general rule. So like Southern, ah FAMU, those are like traditional style bands, UGA, Michigan, Texas, those are core style. like All of them come from the same birthplace, which was that there was a time in in the history of higher education in America, and I actually interviewed a musicologist about this, but
01:29:36
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Last year, but there was a time in the history of music education and our music or education in America where basically every school had a Corps of Cadets like every school had a robust military program. A lot of that was because, you know,
01:29:51
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before the world war one and before world war two uh during both of those wars rather and then after them you had like programs that were pressed into service like uh uj had like a naval flight flight academy or whatever uh that then continued on afterwards and turned into modern art modern rt rtc so the birthplace of modern but marching band is basically just like parade bands like military parade bands okay every other band pretty much in the nation at the FBS level. And I kind of think at the FCS level, but I'm not sure enough about that to say it out loud, but every other band at the like formally division one level is one of those two, is either a core or traditional. Tex A and&M is the only old school 1900s military parade band in the nation. they Their marching style is like straight 1915 military marching.
01:30:44
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like they they they play they have a very limited repertoire like and this is not talking crap this is just the difference like you know the redcoats have like 60 70 tunes that we can play if we reach deep right um you know most like texas probably has like 60 70 80 right even fsu who plays a lot of the war tran they probably have 40 or 50 they could play right uh texas anm has like five like me and That is not me talking crap like it genuinely they have like we're not when we play Texas and when I was in band we went to a and I kind of respect this we went to a um Went to like a not battle of bands but like a pep rally where their band was at and we were going back and forth and it would be like They announced it'd be like oh, let's hear from the Redcoats and we play something I was like, let's hear from Texas A&M's band I can't remember what they're called and they play something and after like five songs they left because that was all the songs they played and like their halftime shows are just like a rearrangement of several of those songs like
01:31:41
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Um, but they're, what they do is so different than everybody else. It's really impressive, but just like Yara and I could not be in Texas and AMSPAN. Yara and I could probably go to most bands in the nation and muddle through and be speaking the same language.
01:31:56
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You know, generally, even if it was a different tradition, even if we were at an HBCU, like we could probably figure it out and like generally be like not, and not embarrass ourselves. We wouldn't, we would be ah babes in the wood at Texas A&M span. We would have no idea what was going on. Interesting. if you Nobody does what they do. And I don't know how they do it.
01:32:15
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Um, to put it in like college football terms, is it like the triple option versus but no, no, no lets no, no. That's the thing. Spread versus triple. That's HBCU versus FPS. They're like the Arkansas high school team that plays the a 11. They're playing some like weird out there, like Mishka tonic, like, like they they're like the the team that's like, Hey, you remember when football was more like rugby and the Ford pass was illegal? Yeah. Well, none of this new fangled triple option stuff. We're going to have a 10 on the line. Like that's sad Got it. Okay. I needed i needed a a football explanation. Maybe someday we'll get to experience the Redcoats at NANM, maybe, if we ever play that. Yeah, I i'll believe it when I see it. Well, the thing, what's weird too is like Army and Navy and Air Force's bands are not as much like that as Texas A&M's band. Because their bands are all quite a bit smaller and and are more like, when they play halftime shows, but they're more like ceremonial, like military bands, like modern military bands.
01:33:14
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Texas A and&M is the only band that does Texas A&M. Like there's just yeah nothing like it in the world. Sounds about, it sounds on brand. yeah Yeah. They're very, they're very, they stick to, they stick to type.
01:33:26
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What are the games we got? I'm going to go with A&M, by the way, on that one. I like Nussmeyer. I just think if LSU has a pulse on defense, they'll win. I don't know if that will happen. That's a big if. The thing that scared me out of just looking at the numbers that we keep, A&M's defenses gives up a lot of explosives, looks like. So that scares me. But I'm still going to go with them.
01:33:52
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ANM is more consistently good at everything than LSU in the advanced metrics. yeah And LSU was really bad against the past. and it But ANM is also just like not great, passing the ball. um I don't know. I feel like the highs are higher with LSU. like LSU is the 10th ranked team in the nation in EPA per pass, and the 93rd ranked team in the nation in EPA per rush.
01:34:18
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Whereas like Texas A and&M is just all mid, like an LSE was like peaks and valleys, you know? So probably I should expect Texas A&M, but if LSE wins, it'll be because they pass their way out of it. I think. Yeah. Chaos pick. Nussmeyer is good. He is good. I agree. I'm with you there. I'm with you yeah does it there's this there. a couple other good games this weekend. Missouri, Alabama. Yeah. Missouri, Alabama. Yeah. Um, that's at Alabama. Bama's favorite by 13 and a half.
01:34:48
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I have a hard time. I feel like whenever I pick a game where Alabama is involved, it's like when someone asks you to say something nice about your ex.
01:34:59
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And you're like, ah, son of a, like, can I, can I talk about this in a, right? Um, right Bama is fraudulent. Agreed. Yeah. I think the Missouri has a very good defense. Um, there, they might statistically be the best side of the ball. Um, out there, like no joke, like, um, like Bama is very good on offense, but they're not, they're like, they're very bad at third and fourth down success. Like.
01:35:25
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They're only okay at rushing the ball efficiently. Right. But Missouri is just good on defense. Like pretty much every aspect of defense Missouri is good at. Um, but then, you know, you have to balance that against the fact that like, obviously the talent, see, see the talent ceiling is higher at Alabama. If Nick Saban were Alabama, you would say like, Oh, well, Alabama just lost. They're going to win by like 40. Yeah.
01:35:50
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Yeah. um I don't know, Manak. I'll take Alabama there, but I think Missouri's fraudulent. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you, JP. Which one has the best vibes? Okay, so Alabama logically sounds like the better option, especially because at the end of the day, they are Alabama. This is what happens. They are playing at home.
01:36:16
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My heart emotionally says Missouri finds a way because, and that's also because I'm really biased because I want Alabama to suffer so bad. I hate Alabama. Oh my God, I'll crash out.
01:36:31
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But I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I love that pick because I would love to see Alabama fans, the Bama Bros. I would love to see them completely melt down. Here's the thing. And as we this is why our podcast works is because I need someone to make me not just talk about numbers the whole time and Yara needs someone to keep her from like crawling into someone's wall and like assassinating them at night or whatever.
01:36:55
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Yeah, he stoped me from he stopped me from ah going further into Mike Bobo's installation the other day. I'm really grateful for that. Thanks, Nathan. You're going full full Idaho. yeah Yeah, no, full on Ruby Ridge. She was like, we were two weeks away from a Waco compound kind of incident where it's like,
01:37:14
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local woman held holds Mike Bovo hostage FBI involved or whatever. But for real, I think that Alabama will probably equal out but um I think Missouri's defense is real and that they just not probably gonna have a good enough on offense.
01:37:33
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Um, the thing to me that is significant is that Alabama is just not it on defense. Um, I'm well, Alabama does some things well on defense, but they don't really convert third and fourth downs very well on offense or defense. And Missouri is very good at getting you off the field and third and fourth down. And they're pretty good at, um, getting at being efficient and completing third downs offensively. So I think the path to Missouri winning is if they stay on schedule, um, then they can just get them off the field. I think that's what you have to do. They don't really have a running back right now.
01:38:11
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But they are, they don't have like a name brand running back, but they're 29th in the nation in EPA per play when rushing, um which is pretty good. ah They add points to their predicted final score every time they run, which is actually impressive. um There's a path for Missouri here. I think more of a path than you would think that if you just like looked at the two names of the two teams than the talent. But I think they just have to play like a really clean game and That's hard to do when Ryan Williams might just like weakened at Bernie's his way into three touchdowns. I think that kid like watches like in between series, he like watches TikToks. And if he sees a thirst trap, he like all the blood leaves his head and he passes out. And then he wakes up like with the ball in his hand in the end zone. He's like, Oh, like, where am I? Like, um, yeah, that sounds about right. He's just that kind of talented, you know?
01:39:04
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You know, something else I think we need to look for in this game is whether Alabama's shirts are tucked in. I think that that could be a really good um deciding factor. We need to check if their shirts are tucked in. Do you need to commit to it? Here's the hard hitting question. Here's the hard hitting question. Inquiring minds want to know for the three of you. Does it matter what your coach wears on the sideline on game day? Like matter in a sense that like I want Kirby to look a certain way or do you guys know, uh, I'm, I might be referencing something that you guys are not aware of. There was, that there was a, there was a kerfuffle on the Bama internet. Yeah. um startinging with savan They don't like the shirt, the shirt he's wearing or something. Yeah. Kalen DeBoer wears like, uh, like a deep V like long sleeve fishing shirt to every game. And they do not like that.
01:39:57
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Yeah okay so I have a ah corollary here so Manchester United soccer soccer moment here for British Bulldog. Manchester United had a very famous coach named Charles Ferguson and he was very much the k Nick Saban of his era. Manchester United won everything in the 90s right so like um he would always wear the same outfit. Matter of fact, there was a guy that was his job, sole job was to bring Sir Alex's, his quarter zip that he would wear on the sideline under, on top of his suits and stuff. The guy that they replaced him with after he retired and, you know, he got to pick his successor kind of thing, ah the guy that they replaced him with would wear track suits and stuff. And like, there was definitely a ah vibe check that was going on amongst Manchester United fans about what he was wearing on the sideline.
01:40:45
Speaker
So I definitely think that there's that's definitely something that exists out there in the world. It's your aura, you know? Yeah, it's like yeah yeah it's the vibe that you want to present yourself with to the general public and to your team.
01:41:01
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One thing that I have learned in my life from the women around me who love me and the you know not straight people around me who love me is that there's nothing respectable about a middle-aged man wearing a t-shirt. There's just no way to style or be attractive enough out of the way. like look Look at a picture of like Brad Pitt wearing a t-shirt.
01:41:24
Speaker
yeah You're like, oh, yeah, he still has abs. That's great. What about the rest of them? I don't know. He's just a white guy, right? So like, I think that the world has taught me that if I leave the house, I must not just be wearing a tee shirt. Like I have to do something else. And I think Caitlin DeBoer apparently, Caitlin DeBoer, who spent quite a bit of time in Idaho. Truth is out there, y'all.
01:41:45
Speaker
is he is no He has no part of Southern culture. That was actually one of the knocks that I... like When they hired him, I'm like, dude, this guy has no connection to the South. He has no idea about our culture. like There's a reason why Kirby Smart has you know polos. like He literally sets fashion.
01:42:01
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you fashion of you know Fashion... Every time he wears a different different polo, I think that yeah there is something to it in the sense that like I don't know how to say this without being like mean to middle-aged white men because I feel like that's that's like my word I can do that as one but um
01:42:23
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You like, you have to play your audience, right? Like the RNIs audience is like elder millennials and Gen Z's who like, you know, did too many drugs in college, right? But like Kirby smarts audience is future Republican senators of America. like Like in an unironic way, like Kurt, how, like how many state senators of Georgia do you think Kirby personally personally knows? Like it's in the double digits. Like, and I do think like part of being a good coach, I mean, all satire aside, like part of being a good coach is knowing like how to work. Like you are a politician, right? Like you have to, like, I think even Kirby smarts, awful haircut is intentional. Yeah.
01:43:02
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I want to also reference, I think, and this is, this is going to be a deep cut for me. Y'all are going to be so proud. Um, so Kirk cousins, right? He, he was at Minnesota, I think. And Minnesota, even the way that when you say it, it's like, Oh, Minnesota, you know, like, Oh.
01:43:20
Speaker
and all of that, you know, it's it's up there. And then he came down here and he started being the quarterback and immediately at first, it was a little rocky. But then he started getting it and he started talking about swag surfing. And you can see now, even when he goes to the press conferences, the way that he dresses is different. The way that his like mannerisms and everything, it is different in a way that it is appreciative of the culture that he has found himself in. Instead of Oh, what's up? but No, no, finish finish your thought. i have absolutely yeah Instead of trying to like hold on to yourself from a different place that like the culture doesn't match and it's a little bit like of a clash. Kind of like what Kaitlyn DuBois is doing right now. He's kind of holding on to himself from, you know, before from Washington or whatever, or I guess Idaho.
01:44:12
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Um, like I think you should do the Kirk Cousins thing and just like embrace it, you know, in the same way that if you are Palestinian Lebanese and Swedish that you, and you go to a school and in the Southeast, you should just like get into football. Exactly. A million percent. Like I'm just here. And become a college football podcaster.
01:44:31
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just here, you know, I don't know. And ironically, Yara, I feel like I have, well, this is not what I was going to say, but I feel like I have manipulated you because I have been talking to strangers and been like, so I have a college football podcast and then give me this look. And then I pause and I'm like, my co-host is a non-white woman. they're like And they're like, oh, okay, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
01:44:53
Speaker
But what I was going to say is like Kirk Cousins transition into Big Curco reminds me of other lore you might not know about me is that my junior and c senior year of college, I lived basically for four years. I lived in this place called the Sousa House, which was this townhouse on in East Athens. There was like three of them and Sousa Phones in you the UJ Sousa Phones section owned two of these three townhouses or rented them for like 15 years.
01:45:19
Speaker
Um, and they were just like, imagine like the 2000s version of the animal house house. Okay. But the, my last two years in undergrad, um, I, uh, Susan from moving to me, was who was a woman named dynasty was like this, like jacked black woman who we are still very close friends, but Kirk cousins in Washington and Kirk cousins in Atlanta is like me before and after I'd spent a year living with dynasty.
01:45:44
Speaker
And she like made me like, no joke. Like one time she sat down and she was like, you're going to help me take my weave out. And I was like, I, is this okay? And she was like, shut up, sit down. Um, like I just, I feel like he's learned so much, you know? She was the one who was like, you can wear your chain outside of your t-shirt. And I was like, you can?
01:46:06
Speaker
Exactly. This is what Kaitlyn DeBoer I think is missing about coming to Alabama. This is why he needs a dynasty. Exactly. It's why so many Alabama fans have just like flat out rejected him. Besides the fact that he is following Nick Saban. Like even I saw from the minute they did that, did you guys see the before and after pictures of the head coach office that were everywhere on Twitter? That other from the minute that showed up on the internet I was I knew it wasn't gonna be a good fit and I think I'll stand on that take I don't know if this is the best fit for Alabama like post Nick Saban they needed somebody who understands the southern culture and who is able to embrace that wholeheartedly you know there's one man is it
01:46:48
Speaker
Here's the thing. There's one man who knows about winning in Alabama and Mississippi who's had a consistent track record of success, who will never stand you in the back, Alabama. Who am I talking about? I'm talking about sitting US Senator Thomas Toverville. Bring him back, baby. He's ready to tide.
01:47:05
Speaker
You need, you need an outsider perspective. You don't want an insider from Birmingham, bringing in an outsider from the notoriously morally upright place, Washington, DC, former Cincinnati coach, former Aben coach, you know, him, you love him. He could probably get Cadillac Williams, Tommy Talerville. He'll do a great job guys. Have you thought about Houston note, Houston nut? Maybe two. Just saying. Successful Ole Miss coach Houston nut.
01:47:30
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But that, all of that is also why Kirby is so great for me. Why I love Kirby at Georgia so much is like, he's one of us, you know, like, like Yara, the things we were talking about that you like, you're amazed by, they're like, Oh my gosh, Georgia lost to these teams. Like Kirby was playing on those teams when those things happened. And those, those things happen to him.
Kirby Smart's Dedication to Georgia
01:47:49
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And like, he was like, forged in that fire. Like that's why he hates Florida so much. Like, that's why he hates Tennessee. Like, you know, like, so. That's why we beat Florida by 30 instead of 20 every year. He's been scurrying smart hates Florida so much.
01:48:01
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Yeah, I also I also think the thing I like about Kirby and this is gonna sound like I'm damning him with faint praise but I'm really not is like he is so boring like like I think he's an interesting person but I just mean like if you if there was like a scandal story about Kirby's parts if there was a scandal story about Kirby Smart did something that wasn't permitted because he wanted to win I believe that But if there was a like an urban Meyer style scandal about Kirby smart, I would just be like, that would mean that he spent time not thinking about football. Like the idea that Kirby smart would end up at a sleazy club with someone who is not his wife is predicated on the idea that Kirby smart would go somewhere that was not his house, a recruits house or the UGA football practice facility. And I think that about him.
01:48:48
Speaker
He's like, you know, the, the people say like, when Michael Jackson, before he died, any news story about Michael Jackson, he would just like automatically believe it because he was just, he lived such a nuts life. Like Kirby smart's like the opposite of that. If you told me Kirby smart switched from white bread to wheat bread, I would be like, show me the proof. If somebody was like breaking news, Kirby smart tried almond butter. I would be like, I, if you film him eating an almond butter sandwich, I will believe.
01:49:15
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Yeah. Yeah. I dig that. You know who's not going to wear an OEM t-shirt? Kirby Smart. Look at you, Mike Gundy. You just here for a good time, you know? I think when we were, when I was also watching the Mississippi State game after he like accidentally pushed that, you know, student athlete, um, my friend, the Mississippi State friend, Sage, she was asking me like, is Kirby Smart normally that passionate to where he just like, it's like,
01:49:44
Speaker
pushing people and I was like honestly he's always that passionate he like played for Georgia and I looked into it a little bit more he like what he grew up here he went to school here the end goal I think for him was to be the head coach here and that's why when yeah everybody says like oh there's a rumor that he's gonna go to the NFL and he's gonna be the whatever coach like the Cowboys coach or the Falcons coach or whatever it's like all right yeah sure bless your heart you know, it's not happening because he loves it here. And I'm not even saying that in like the parasocial relationship way. I'm saying that in like the like fork found in kitchen Kirby smart found at Georgia, you know, that's that's who he is. And and his dad dad was a high school coach. So like, yeah, it's literally in his blood.
01:50:33
Speaker
It is. In the same way that it is in his blood and he is a dog, Kevin DeBort is not ah a tide, an elephant. What the fuck do they even call it? I hate Alabama. I'm doing some cursory research. Give me give me one second. Oh my God, Cook. We can talk about more pigs. No, I don't know if there's anything We're having a mid-off between Iowa and Northwestern. I wonder who's going to win. The only other one I saw was ah the real game of the week, Texas against Vanderbilt. Give me Vanderbilt. Can Texas have a Georgia hangover? Give me Vanderbilt. There's there's other this is another big game, iin the fighting wills. That's true. oron
01:51:20
Speaker
going to beat the hell out of them. yeah Here's why I know Kirby is not going to be the next coach of the Jets. The closest chick-fil-a to the New York Jets practice facility is 33 minutes away. That ain't happening.
01:51:34
Speaker
Find me a map of Waffle House locations and that is where Kirby Smart will go. If Kirby Smart cannot go to marker seven seafood and get a fried seafood platter, he will not live there. I fully believe that. okay Spectacular. can he take his Can he take his wife out to five and 10 on their anniversary? No, he's not going there, right?
01:51:55
Speaker
Right. Yeah. They're they're they're not leaving Athens. And none of the former Georgia coaches leave either. Everyone just stayed in Athens. Why would you? Hey, do you guys live in Athens? Where do y'all live? not to Don't dox yourself, but do y'all live in the Atlanta area? I'm in North Carolina, actually. Really? Yeah, I'm on the north side of Charlotte in Concord, North Carolina. I'm not far from like char Charlotte Motor Speedway that way. Charlotte Motor Speedway. God, I love that movie.
01:52:22
Speaker
I'm in West Cobb. Okay. Yeah. Marietta people. I just work there. I'm only tangentially related to Marietta. How does Douglasville view Marietta? Like super, like pretty rich, pretty bougie. I think. Okay. That's yeah fair. You guys got the nice mall.
01:52:45
Speaker
Oh my god, yes you do. And you have Costco? God, don't get me started on Costco. I love Costco so much. Oh, you guys got Costco with the liquor stores. You have one at Town Center and you have the one at Cumberland. Well, I don't know if you connect Cumberland Mall, yes, but you have the other one over there and I'm so jealous and you'll have a Whole Foods And it's so great. I want to have one that is like the liquor. Yeah, you don't have the Costco with the liquor store. No, you don't. There's only one in Georgia. I forget where it is. It's over. It's over over in perimeter.
01:53:22
Speaker
i mean where It's not in Athens and this is where they are missing out financially Costco marketing talk to me right now can i tell you something that i think is israel it's a lior Yeah, it is and I tell you something that is weird about Athens that like my Athens like my Athens galaxy brain theory is that like, there aren't any good sports bars in Athens.
Athens Bar Scene and Personal Favorites
01:53:45
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You guys noticed that? Like I like blind pig. I like blind pig. It's not a sports bar. Like it's a good restaurant and it's like a fun dive or whatever. But like, where can you go with like 85 TVs and hot wings? they're yeah just There used to be a place out Atlanta highway. It wasn't, it wasn't. I would take a Hooters. I would take a Hooters honestly.
01:54:06
Speaker
There was something. We used to go to Wild Wing. Well, there was a Wild Wing over on Alps, right? No, Wild Wing Cafe used to be in downtown Athens when I was in college. Okay, also like there's not where their blind pick wasn't even blind pick was somewhere else Yeah, no, I was over on ah next to the river, right? Yeah, like North Campus. I miss that old horrible place Yeah, but one of the most health unsafe restaurants in the world But but what a fun place to go like there's not a place where you can go watch like 20 NFL games You don't care about at the same time in Athens. I just feel like that's an untapped market.
01:54:42
Speaker
Yeah, there was a place, uh, I can't remember what it was called, but it was out Atlanta. It wasn't like downtown. It was out Atlanta highway somewhere. Um, but I can't remember what it was called. We used to go there, uh, like on Sundays sometimes. Clay and I would used to watch games at Taco Mac when it was like a new thing. yeah That's how old we are.
01:55:01
Speaker
Nice. I would go to Cutters for, Cutters used to have $1 Junglings like three nights a week. And then Polly's used to have $1 Junglings every time the Braves would play. Well, the Braves play 162 times a year. So it was like, yeah pretty good.
01:55:19
Speaker
Anyway, yeah, FOMO. Y'all had sucking football, but you had great alcohol prices. What? Yeah. Well, i to be fair, alcohol. They still do dollar drinks at Bourbon Street? I actually think go drink their dollar drinks are illegal now, I think. like ah It's not legal. Yeah. It is as a help. I forget what the exact specific rule is, but you cannot like discount. You can't deeply discount drinks on like, like do like power hours anymore. Oh yeah. um' man Don't tell that to don't tell that to cutters on Thursdays. That's crazy work. Cutters on Thursdays dollar two dollars da like beer night baby dollar beer and then like $2.00.
01:56:03
Speaker
is one dollar yinglings normal beer there used to be like there was like quarter night at one point and before that it was there was like nickel night but like years ago yeah i feel like you're gaslighting me this is true favorite bar in Athens yeah are Oh, um, it depends on the day. If ah Thursday night, there's take it. Walk us through Thursday night through Saturday. We're going Thursday through Saturday.
01:56:34
Speaker
Thursday is always dollar bear night at Cutters. Cutters is the one we agree on. I think Cutters is like a great bad bar. It's awful in the best possible way. What's amazing about Cutters is that it's still around because it was around when we were in college. If y'all haven't been to Cutters recently, it is so much nicer than when we were in college. Cutters. It's like about twice the size and way cleaner than it used to be.
01:56:58
Speaker
Clean is a fascinating word that you need to describe cutters. Okay. Uh, dude, I got, my hand got stuck on a pool table at cutters. Okay. Some of the skin off when I listed it. My, my girlfriend at the time got drugged in at, uh, at cutters actually. Oh my God. and Back in the day.
01:57:19
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Yeah. Damn. All right. Not by me. Thanks. Clarifying statements. Clarifying. theyify Yes. Excellent. Friday, it really, again, it just depends so much. I think Fridays normally, like about now,
01:57:37
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I would probably go to boy's hood because they have like an outdoor area and they have that or cherry on top. They also have a downstairs and it's just a nice place to talk and hang out with your friends. Although me a few years ago, I would say like nineties or sake and nineties wasn't even caught. Wait, was it called that when you guys went to college? It was called eighties. No, it wasn't even that either. We went up to our lounge. No, that wasn't nineties.
01:58:04
Speaker
you Right. There was ah it was something else. Well, 80s, 80s and 90s were two different places when I was in school. 90s. You weren't joking. I thought you were kidding. there There was a place called 80s that was like over on where like Georgia. What's that little bar in the corner? It was on the same road where like Taco Mama yeah or Taco. What's that taco joint that was on the corner there by the the deck? Taco Mac? No, no, no. There's fuzzies.
01:58:33
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Buzzies used to be right there and then like right next to that past that there was Copper Creek and then 80s and 80s was like the creepiest bar on the planet because it was like like Scared sorority girls and like 40 year old men listening to 80s music. What did they do at 80s? Did they play the Beatles? Well, what how it happened in the 80s? Oh my god yeah yeah There was no there was no bar called 90s when I went in college because I got there in the 90s So at the end of the 90s but just <unk> i okay that was up tell thes where all that went down down Was it I thought there was something off like Clayton over somewhere else it was I can't remember what it was alright, so what's your Saturday bar?
01:59:15
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Okay, I'll take what we did. Sake mama. It's always sake mama. I love sake mama and I love a good sake bomb. It's where it's next to generals for but for the old clouds. Oh, are you talking about sake? Yeah, yes.
01:59:30
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yeah So that's a lot of fun. Um, hmm, nineties is fun. Sometimes I go to cloud if the line isn't long, but a lot of the time it's really long because a lot of like the, I don't know, so many people go there. Apparently the entire Atlanta Hawks team was there the other day. That was crazy. I'd the line is always crazy and the covers so expensive, but I like Paulie's a lot because they have food.
01:59:59
Speaker
And i'm I'm a very simple person. If you feed me, I'm happy. But yeah, sometimes my friends like to go to church and that's fine. I like the music there. um It's not like 100. Yeah, it's nice. And that might be it. I used to go to a warehouse sometimes, which had a different name when you guys went there. I don't know what it was called. Where is it?
02:00:23
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it's next to where zombie donuts was before it got replaced by it like that oh um oh what was that called in there on the court mags you know where magnolia's is where y'all was that there when y'all were there on the corner on um on broad like uh like the cross from ah across it what's the name of the across from that italian joint um on broad street It's across the street from bourbon. um Yeah. yeah pressing palms in bourbo bay There was that like, like, like rave bar that was like right there next to, um, but yeah, or at least when I was in school, that's called warehouse now. no no over bar barcode Now nowhere bear bar is over on the other side. i say That's so best still there.
02:01:06
Speaker
Yeah, that's still around. Nowhere bar on my 21st birthday. We went there at 3 a.m. after they closed and they let us drink as much of a done keg of Killian's Iris Red as we could. And i that was the last time I have had Killian's Iris Red. Now I've had it in 15 years. Worn it off. yeah all All good. <unk> Do you ever go to Allgood? I went to Allgood a few times. Yeah, I like it. Allgood is a good Gen X bar.
02:01:32
Speaker
Yeah. when we all in genx When we were there, it was called Gator Haters. Gator Haters? Yeah. That's cool. Did y'all ever go to Molly O'Shea's? Oh yes. Yes. As an institution, I don't think it's around anymore. It's across from Allgood and used to be called like double barrel maybe or like 1785. A couple of bars ran through there.
02:01:54
Speaker
For me, JR's Bait Shack was was another place that we used to like to go to. I think that didn't that turn into Beach Bar? um It's right next to Toppers. Yeah. What used to be Toppers. I don't know. Oh, no, that's not that anymore. But yeah, Toppers is still there. For me, the only two if you're old, the places to go in Athens now are Hilo.
02:02:14
Speaker
which is over on Prince. And then what? yeah bar island but no and never It's in it's in normal town. It's like, ah like there's like past the hospital and Prince, really good like dive bar, really good cocktails. so ah if you're if you're like willing to put up with like the counterculture a little bit i really like um world famous like the food is really good good cocktails uh trapeze those are like shows that side of downtown with like trapeze and tesla's best and creature comforts that's like the old people side of downtown
02:02:47
Speaker
That's basically where I hang out when we're at when I'm there. Yeah. Yeah. I, I just like rotate around there. So no one will think I'm creepy. I occasionally go to the, uh, the globe is still around. Um, they just reopened it actually. It's, it's way nicer than these. anyway Nice. Good luck editing this gym. Have fun.
02:03:07
Speaker
how do How do we, how do we, how do we round us out? How do we round us out? What's up? What's the successful, let me ask you this. What's the success?
Expectations and Defining Success for the Season
02:03:14
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This is something I always ask Yara at the pi beginning of the year. What's a successful season look like? Like a season, what is the minimum standard where the season's over and you're like, good.
02:03:25
Speaker
I mean, I feel like the standard at this point is make the playoff, um ah especially with the way this team was ah set up, like pre-season. um I felt like, man, if this team doesn't make the playoff, like what, like, what the heck, like something went horribly wrong.
02:03:40
Speaker
And I think, you know, you make, you make the playoffs, you got it, you've got a chance. So, uh, that's it for me. Is make the playoff the win the East? I guess. Yeah. the new Is that the new win the East? Yeah, I think so. I think it is. Okay.
02:03:55
Speaker
I mean for me I would say getting to the national championship would have been my my bellwether because of all of the hype that we had coming in preseason and all the talent that we have like yeah there's there's literally no excuse for us to not to not be there because especially the way that the season is as panned out where you know You kind of thought that we would be facing the Alabama's of the world and they're clearly down and obviously they beat us, but Ali, if we, if we had a one game, it would have been so amazing. Um, yeah, I would say, I would say making it to the national championship has got to be, um, the measure of success for this particular team. Yeah. Um, I can't disagree with that. Yara, what do you think?
02:04:39
Speaker
Um, okay. Well, y'all know I'm biased because six, I, I have, you know, reached, I don't want to brat. Well, maybe I'll brat a little bit. Like the, the peak of the success for me has already happened. Like we've won national championships and then we won another one, you know? You can always win more. Exactly. I think if we lock in, if we at the very,
02:05:07
Speaker
I need James Coley to figure out what's wrong. And then after that, wait, I don't know what needs to happen. I don't know if he needs to take actual gonda. I don't know if he needs a therapist. Something needs to happen. Carson Beck, thank you for stepping up in a high pressure environment.
02:05:24
Speaker
It's time to stay on this, you know, anti-anxiety medication dosage. This is what needs to happen in order for us to make it to national championship. Do I think we can? Like I said in our preview episode, there are two Georgias right now. It's like we have multiple personalities or something. One of the Georgias, you know, kind of poops their pants a little bit at the Alabama and at home and, you know,
02:05:53
Speaker
at Alabama, and things, especially in the first half, and things don't happen the way that they should. one ah The same team also wins by only 10 to Mississippi State, you know, who whose stats are all abysmal.
02:06:09
Speaker
Um, and the other team is the one that we saw at Texas where we lock in, we figure out what's happening. Even though our stats weren't the best, at least offensively, our defense was elite. And that is what secured us that win and that defining win, I might add. So these are two teams. Hmm.
02:06:31
Speaker
If we continue to play like this second team that knows what they're doing and continues to improve on their both their strengths and their weaknesses and just continues to go up and up, absolutely we make it to the playoffs, absolutely we make it to the national championship, and absolutely we have a chance at winning because this season is so unpredictable.
02:06:53
Speaker
If we revert back to team number one, the team that pooped his pants at Alabama in the first half, nah, nah. We secure that dreaded, we don't even get to number five seed, honestly. We drop a little bit, I say, and we get our butts kicked by, I'll say it, Alabama. well so what's yeah like What's the minimum that has to happen for you not to have a restraining order against an offensive coach at UGA?
02:07:23
Speaker
Ooh, the minimum that has to happen, continuing to put up stats like what we did at Texas. And getting Carson Beck some help, please dear Lord, how that help him stop being anxious. And like, I feel so bad because you can see him overthinking when he gets in really high pressure situations. I know that look, I have anxiety. I see you Carson Beck. It's like, we just need to- Get that man some Lexapro.
02:07:52
Speaker
Yes, please get that man some help and get James Coley, some Ashwagandha and Mike Boho. I'm giving you a break today. might i'm not I'm not even going to talk trash about Mike Boho. Please clap, guys. Please clap vigorously. You're doing well. Thank you. This is taking a lot of restraint from me. A lot of a PR training. I think, to me, success is get to like get a home ah home playoff game.
02:08:21
Speaker
I think that nobody's dignity in college football matters because nobody keeps it for long. But if you want to stay at the station in the sport that you're in, you can't be taking a road trip to like Clemson or Miami or something. I feel like I think if you have ah if you have a home playoff game, then you can. I think there's a scenario where like you could have a home playoff game and do the like wild card thing.
02:08:47
Speaker
where you're like the wild card team in baseball who just gets hot and wins a bunch of games. I think it's totally possible, but I think that's the minimum. Yeah. Yeah. I would agree with that. I'm on board with that. All right, boys. Well, this is going to come out on our feed as well. So you might be listening to this on either one of our feeds, but it's
Podcast Reflection and Future Episodes
02:09:03
Speaker
been awesome. Thank you for having us on. Yeah, this is- We're getting it together with us. This has been a blessing. I'm glad Yara set the trade proposal. It's fantastic. Yay. Accepted. I'm so glad we could do this. This is so much fun.
02:09:15
Speaker
It was, and it was, it's it was just as off the rails as I knew it would be, which is awesome. but that's That's what we needed for a bye week. We went down the rabbit hole on Athens bars and and talked about Northern Idaho and domestic terrorism. like ah Listen, if y'all want to, I watch a lot of, I watch, I don't really listen to podcasts other than like three or four UGA podcasts of which y'all's is one and split zone duo, but my, my podcast habit has been replaced by documentary. So if y'all want to like get into some cold stuff, like I am ready to talk about compounds and standoffs and the the history of the FBI hostage rescue team and like.
02:09:56
Speaker
the, like, you know, the things that led to Timothy McVey and how that Timothy McVey is connected to Waco and Ruby Ridge and stuff. Like I'm so ah ready to like, I have a wall at my house almost like I don't, but I could. I feel a side but project brewing here, Nathan. Yeah. No, I mean, like the podcast is going to be lit.
02:10:14
Speaker
Yeah. If you guys, if you guys ever want to like, just like, I have like four topics that I will talk about, like an idiot until someone tells me to stop. One of them is college football and it's like, uh, anything related to novels, uh, military aviation and the history of domestic care terrorism. Um, so I'm really fun at parties. Sounds like it. Obviously we'll, we'll have, we'll have to talk about that, uh, over a beer at one of the bars we discussed.
02:10:42
Speaker
Yes. and exactly Awesome. Well, hey, if you made it this far, you're a real one for, for, for one of these shows. Uh, we appreciate everyone listening. If you're not following, go follow on the socials. Oh my God. yeah shebuer yeah ah Check it out. And with that, good dogs.
02:10:59
Speaker
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