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175: Fighting to Survive
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This week we have two very different survival stories for you, featuring a lot of trigger warnings, so take care of yourselves as you listen.
Kelsey shares the story of Jennifer Holiday and her cousin Ana Franklin, who are on a late night drive when a vehicle begins following them. What happens next is something anyone would struggle to keep their cool during. Alanna covers the Teka Adams case, filled with strange and bizarre actions, it feels straight out of a horror movie.
Shout out to the I Survived tv show, check it out for more stories of perseverance and never giving up. Links to each of their eps are on our website!
Check out the Mythical True Crime pod, part of our amazing Darkcast family! Uncover the dark true tales of modern legends with our spoken narratives that blend history, crime, and the supernatural.
Stay safe out there cryptic cuties, catch out with you next week!
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Introduction and Podcast Overview
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Darkcast Network. Indie Pods with the Dark Side.
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Welcome back to Castles and Cryptids where the castles are haunted. The Cryptics. The Cryptics. The Cryptics as fuck. And the cats are a little crazy. The Cryptics. The Cryptics are cryptid as fuck.
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and Adam Kelsey laughing about the stupid cat what was he doing during that intro oh he's i'm pretty sure uh tapping morse code uh messages out to somebody um using his tail he's like fuck you i hate you you're so mean to me
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yeah We were just having a little chat about how they can really just be needy when you think they're not to be. He's got his head smashed to the wall and now he's just staring up like, ugh. How dare you not make you me your priority. yeah Yeah, these two hours once a week.
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oh I'm not the center of your world. My dog doesn't understand why he can't get in the car every time. They don't let you in the library and you poop in my car. Yeah. Oh my god. All right. Well, we do do some pet chat, but this is episode 175. Yes. Yeah. I think.
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Right? Last episode of January. You made it through the long winter, you sweet summer child. We're gonna make it. Right? The days are getting longer. It's kind of nice. Yeah, ah there was a little, I don't know, almost like a little snowfall that happened yesterday evening. Right?
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Uh, maybe within an hour before the sun went down. And it was really nice cause the sun had started to set. So half the sky was kind of like ah gone from gray and overcast looking to like pink. And then all of a sudden after the snow stopped falling, the, uh, the part that was still kind of gray and not really pink kind of broke.
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up so it wasn't gray anymore it was like bright blue with like white fluffy clouds and i was like oh my god it looks like a beautiful summer day and then i look at the other side of the sky and it's kind of overcast but tinged pink and i was like what is happening this guy looks like cotton candy uh i haven't seen blue sky i feel like i know it was really weird it was such vivid like ocean blue and then white nice fluffy clouds i was like what the heck and then like 20 minutes later the sun had gone down and it was gone i was like oh cerulean blue yeah no because when i was leaving work um sorry no but when you said the snow thing it was like about to leave work and people
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Or, yeah, as everyone's getting done for the day. They're like, oh, my phone just said there's a snow squall coming up. It's like, because we had quite a bit of snow recently. Yeah. And we're like, oh, no, not when we have to go home, you know, it's like, can't wait a little bit. But it was fun. Yeah, it would have been about that time. It was between four and five p.m. here. ah So, yeah, girdle your fucking tail.
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gonna you know you're just hitting me locked out of the room you're gonna have one more chance that's right like what's his name from the trader and his forecast he said no they're locked out of the room And they play a game on that one where they try to lie to each other. And she said, is that your lie that you really you don't have four cats? You're not a cat person. He's like, no, unfortunately, that's true. I can't have them in here when I'm recording. I'm like, yeah, they can be crazy. I don't blame him. But then sometimes it's is annoying to keep them out. like Yeah, that's why I don't like doing it because Gordon will attack the door handle. And I feel like that's an annoying sound. I'm just like, right.
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i just scared him he's like what there's another cat here trying to get in oh my god no that's me imitating you his eyes are so wide like went into full hunter mode yeah after a brief cat interlude we are ah back to our intro oh what were we going to talk about um welcome patreon Welcome back to Patreon. Yeah, there's a new thing.
Patreon Offers and Perks
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They're always adding new things and it's fun. And one of the ones I made sure we could do now is that you could do a free trial. Yeah.
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Yeah, a lot of the podcasts I'd heard about, you know, doing the free week thing and I was like, Oh, that's cool. And so yeah, now of all of our tiers, you're able to try them, but like sign up for a week for free and you could check out all the damn content and then like, yeah, you don't have to pay. You can, you know, unsubscribe, whatever. You could go down to a lower level. You can do whatever, but yeah, it's definitely a way. If you want to try it, you can. So you can go to,
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patreon dot.com slash castles and cryptids. And that's where all our bonus episodes are. So thank you for everyone that subscribed and commented and liked all our stuff because I really enjoy it when I know that people are listening to the bonus content. we We like the engagement. It's true. And we have some fun on some of those episodes. Like we were just picking our next one coming up. So That should be fun. Sometimes they're fun, sometimes they're funny. Movie discussion episode because, you know, we love movies. If you've been here, repeat listener, you know how how how easily we can get on a movie tangent. What did you watch this week? yeah Six hours later. It's our side movie podcast. No, yeah. It's it's fun to do a rewatch recap kind of situation where
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we can react and like whether if you guys have seen it or not like you can maybe decide if you want to see something yeah yeah we were definitely talking about some some fun watches recently so there's always something coming out um yeah and we are all here for the the horror stuff that's for sure i was so excited they had on smart list the other day they had the the guy that owns the Blumhouse or whatever. um oh Oh, Jason Blum, they had him on smart list. And I was like, Oh, they're friends with the Blum guy or whatever. Just like all the movies are talking about how it was hard to get paranormal activity, you know, off the whatever, like, because people were like, Oh, you know, it's shitty or whatever, you know, hard yeah movies started. Yeah.
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and then like eventually just kind of like whatever ah got made as it did and it was really interesting so I love that. Nice. That and they're talking about now kind of A24 is that the new one they did the substance and ah some other ones recently and people are like wow like A24 is doing Doing good. Okay. So this is a different like production company then? I think so, yeah of yeah. But I do know everybody kind of says, like if it's Blumhouse, it's kind of, okay, you're you're guaranteed to at least semi-enjoy this movie. like They got some good history with their releases. Yeah. You get a good reputation or whatever.
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Yeah. Anyway, that's what we hope for. and Good reputation. Yeah. Maybe we're not going to have those type of guests, but we we have our fun in other ways. Oh, guests. No, that would be so stressful. um Although the occasional other person steps on the mic and that can be funny. We've done that on Patreon before when Pat stepped in to react to the bling ring and I enjoyed it because he always has opinions. Yeah. Oh my God. um Anyway, you loyal fans, you you never know. You get to pick a topic on Patreon when you join at the highest level. Maybe we'll let you have a voice in the show, give you a shout out, let you come on for a segment. Oh, that could be super fun. Yeah. Other than like tech stuff never works for us, but that's okay. We make it happen.
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Yeah, we'll figure it out. We could, we could totally figure it out. Um, cause you guys are
True Crime Survival Stories
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the best. I love our listeners and yeah, we should probably tell them what we're talking about this week, I guess. We have some survival stories like true crime type ones. oh So very kind of more inspiring, I would say that your normal true crime ending. Yeah. Looking forward to that. Hopeful.
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That kind of stuff. Yeah, sometimes people do get away. It can happen. Shit. You gotta to do the things right. Or right be lucky. like Yeah, sometimes it's luck. Sometimes it's, I don't know, the right circumstances line up. Sometimes it's yeah how they handle a situation or kind of keeping your cool.
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That's just so true and there's so many oh my god where I started like I was like, I don't know how to choose I I think I had heard of the show before but at least my case uh was featured on an episode of I survived I think it's cool Okay, mine too. Yes, okay. Yeah, and they do like not just true crime ones, but um Like I think that episode I ended up watching for my case. I kind of skipped through the segments that didn't really involve mine, but there was like a husband and wife that had been hiking that the husband got attacked by a fucking mountain lion. And then there was some sort of, the third story was like some crazy hostage one that I might go back and watch because it said it was like 20 hour long crazy hostage situation. and I was like, ooh.
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Oh, wow. Okay. Why does that pique my interest? ah Sounds like they get out. I mean, obviously I survived, but yeah, yeah, that seems like a really good show. I don't know. Like, where did you find it eventually? I found my episode. It took me a little bit to actually figure out what episode it was featured on. um And then I ended up being able to find it on YouTube. too So okay.
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youtube and rescue But it looks like a it looks like a lot of the episodes that end up getting posted i get blocked for like copyright. I found playlists that said they were supposed to be 90 episodes long and it said like, there's 75 episodes hidden and I'm like, oh cool. oh my So there's 15 that haven't been flagged for copyright, you mean? Like, wow.
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I guess I get that there you can't have a certain amount of percentage of your content be comprised of other people's content. I mean, I wouldn't. Yeah, but typically, the I don't know, typically older shows, they don't really care as much like I know Forensic Files is basically up there. um I suppose in almost all their episodes in full episodes, like sometimes even it looks like the official like production companies or even the ones on YouTube that are uploading it. ah It really depends.
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I still can't get over that we have an IMDB page. That was weird. Right? I ended up looking it up and it said, it said we're American. We need to figure out how to fix that. It said we're an American podcast and we're based out of America. And I said, no, no. I'll be listening to it. In our intro, we're Canadian, eh?
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It's like, I'll listen to Wiki Hole with um Darcy Carden from The Good Place. And then like people, so they obviously referenced Wikipedia quite a lot because it's about going down a Wikipedia rabbit hole, right? Where you look up one thing and then whatever. And then they'll be like,
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um if they we if anyone could do anything about like yeah this misinformation or this oh the picture they have of us on wikipedia is so like far away and whatever everyone's like trying to get shit changed i'm like oh no and now i kind of know how it feels i guess it's like having misinformation on our wikipedia page which i don't think we have one of those but that would be wild to find out right? Maybe one day. Yeah, what do they just upload podcasts there? I don't get it. But I don't know. It also said like, if you have more information and can help continue to fill out this page, please submit it. And I was like, well, interesting. Okay, because there's some podcast websites that are sort of like that, like, like good reads or, you know, the what's the one you use for the movies with the
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read Oh, letterboxed. Thank you. Yes, that one. Yeah, there's some like that where you can add info. Anyway, too funny. Hey, I'm following Mike Flanagan on there and the amount of times I click on a movie and then it says like, ah Mike Flanagan wants to watch this. And I was like, well, I just did Mike Flanagan and it was great.
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too funny. He wants to watch it. Yeah, because you can follow like certain certain celebrities have them like available and you can see like what they're watching and um they sometimes even do reviews and stuff, ah which is fun. One more thing. Coupled other directors on there. Yeah. Okay, okay. But did you know before we get off this tangent that he is married to that um the girl that's in the Haunting um Hill House, the yeah sister that can't touch anybody. Oh, okay. I don't think I didn't. We were watching like this, Pat watches the one that's about different horror movie tropes and stuff. And so it'll have different people talking. It's almost like a oh yeah documentary style. Yeah. I can't remember what it's called right now, but I didn't know she was married. um That's why she's like Maine and almost everything.
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I just, and I really like her as an actress. I was just like, Oh, why don't we see her in more stuff? But anyway, I don't know when they got together if it was like, cause I think he directed Hush. Um, I think he directed Hush and that's the one where she's like deaf and everything. That was probably one of the first, like my Flanagan things I saw. Um, okay. Yeah. Kate Siegel. That's it. Yeah.
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I don't know. She's just hot and he's a little balding, but that's okay. Hey, he's fantastic. I'm not judging. that' That's a power couple right there. He can continue to write absolutely amazing shows on what did he move over to Prime now because like fuck Netflix. um They kept canceling his stuff. Okay.
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Yeah, so now he's over at Prime and he can take his wife with him and we can continue to watch her be awesome. Exactly. That's funny. Anyway. Continue.
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Are you ready for my story? Oh yeah, start. no Right? We have to start. We haven't even started yet. and Like you may begin. no You may begin. Pencils up. You may begin. Open your book. Or as they say on the traders, the time for talk is over.
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um Yeah, I liked this story. I think I found it just on a little kind of listicle. um It's always a listicle. Yeah, I liked this one ah for like my point of how you react in a situation and like keep calm and kind of make a decision of, okay, like how how can I get out of this? on Right, how do people deal under pressure? yeah Yeah, this one's pretty wild. I don't think I had ever heard of this one before.
Jennifer Holliday's Ordeal and Rescue
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Uh, it's Jennifer Holliday and Anna Franklin. Uh, they're two cousins. Oh, okay. So it's, uh, 2 a.m. mate on ah May, May 29th, 2005 in Lufkin, Texas. And 27 T exists Lufkin. I've never heard of Lufkin before. I don't think it's very big.
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What did I find somewhere? It's like however far away from Houston, I think. I don't think I kept that in my notes, but. ah Jennifer Holliday, she's 27 years old and she was an EMT. And yeah, ah so she is driving. It's about 2 a.m. And she had just picked up her 18 year old cousin Anna Franklin ah from a house where Anna had been babysitting.
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ah So she's not like on the job at the time? No, she, um... Yeah, she was just picking up her cousin who had been babysitting for somebody. Yeah. And the pair had decided on the way back to stop at a convenience store and after going in, getting their things, they got back into Jennifer's Ford Explorer and they had started driving back down the highway ah when they noticed that a truck that had been parked at the convenience store is now following them um and had been for a while, I guess.
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Uh-oh. The truck that was following them, um we later learned is being driven by this Eric's Steven Parnell. And he was following pretty closely behind the cousins for miles.
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Both vehicles were, according to the I Survived episode, ah Jennifer said that they were traveling about 70 miles an hour on the highway when ah Parnell pulled his truck up alongside the girl's vehicle and Parnell suddenly like reached across and pulled out a shotgun like with one hand and ah kind of pointed it at the vehicle and then shot into Jennifer's forward.
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whoa whoa yeah like on the highway right i was like that's oh crazy so right like you're like oh everybody thinks we have the most aggressive drivers here or whatever like i like alberta where we're not not known for that like you know it's pretty common for people to be like holy shit people get road rage what the hell but that's crazy So he shoots into the forward. It, I guess, seems to hit Jennifer like in her left arm just above the elbow. And it's she describes it in the episode as it basically severs her arm.
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Like the bone is shattered and it's hanging on by ah just a little bit of skin, like gone. Shit. Shotgun blast, right? Yeah. And she's not driving? She's driving on the highway. and Yeah. um She said she didn't really, like she was in shock. She didn't really understand what happened. And she just like kind of slowed down the vehicle and pulled over.
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And that's when she kind of realized what was going on. And of course, Anna's like freaking out her younger cousin. ah So they pull over to the side of the road. Once Jennifer realizes what happened, she gives her phone, her cell phone to Anna and tells Anna to call the police. So Anna's like trying to call the police. And I think she might get on the phone with somebody.
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ah ah But at this point they're unaware that Parnell had pulled up along behind them ah on the side of the road and gotten out with the shotgun and was approaching their vehicle. Okay, so he's not giving up, I guess. No. What the hell?
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Jennifer says that he stopped at her door and then reached across like past her um through to where Anna was sitting in the passenger side and he grabbed the cell phone out of her hand. um She says that he like said hello to whoever was on the other line, if it was the police or what, but then he like throws the cell phone in the ditch. Jesus, this is very horror movie.
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right That's what everything on YouTube was saying like this is a horror movie like it's crazy I remember we watched one where that was like the plot that they got into almost like a road rage altercation and then what he follows the lady and her kids and stuff and I Can't remember but it's like it was pretty fucking scary. You're like, yeah Because that's like yeah, it is something that could be so real I yeah um Yeah, so he reaches across, he throws the phone away, and then he steps back, raises the gun up again, ah and then shooting like past Jennifer, he shoots at Anna, 18-year-old Anna Franklin, and shoots her in the temple with the shotgun, and she dies like immediately. Oh my god.
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hanna for Right, I feel so bad like the only solace is that it was immediate like That is so fucked up. She did not deserve to go that way, right? Yeah, this is just bizarre just like yeah um Yeah, I guess before she had had like when she had stopped I And when he had started backing up after he had thrown the phone away, Anna had been like screaming at Jennifer to try and drive away, like telling her, go, go, go, go. But like Jennifer, her arm is like blown off, and she's losing so much blood. like It probably wouldn't have even been safe to try and drive away. like
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And who knows what could have happened. She could have died. it They could have both died in a car accident if she had even tried driving away. and But yeah. They're not in a good position, either of them at that point. No, yeah. So at this point, Anna, she's been shot and killed. And this second blast had also seriously wounded Jennifer again, um spraying more pellets into her arm, her chest, her neck.
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so yeah ah Parnell like opened up the vehicle and he dragged Jennifer from it and dragged her and put her into his truck. He then briefly left Jennifer unattended in his vehicle while she was bleevy bleeding heavily from the more shotgun pellet wounds that she had sustained.
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wow ah Can you imagine? oh and Yeah, I guess while he was gone, Jennifer says it looked like he was attempting to try and move Anna's body away from the scene, like maybe to bring it with them, um or at least hide it so it wasn't like as noticeable on the side of the road. like Because I think their vehicle was on the side of the highway.
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Oh, yeah. So he didn't, he wanted it to maybe look like a car accident or something. um Not so old like, boom, there's a dead body right there. Okay, right. Okay. Yeah, a little weird. Like, Parnell is really weird. He's messing up. I don't understand his ah reasoning or Yeah, we'll get more to him. yeah ah So while he's trying to do this, Jennifer is alone. um She starts surveying her surroundings now that she's in ah her his vehicle.
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um She sees the shotgun that Parnell had ah left, like he had shot them with. He had left it on the front seat and she was in the front. um So she recalls in the episode of I survived thinking, or sorry, here I am thinking, hey, I'm fixing to get rid of the only weapon he's got. And I took the shotgun and threw it out of the window and it landed on the highway, she said. That's so Texas to say I'm fixing to get the... okay Yeah.
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I used to bartend, I had a guy that came up from Texas for work, Lawrence, and he'd be like, fixing to get another beer, you know, that kind of thing. He'd also turn his empty beer bottle upside down and pretend to squeeze it out, like he could w ring out and then drop from it. And I'd be like, okay, I know you need another beer. That's funny. It was cute.
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ah Jennifer then noticed several other guns were scattered throughout the vehicle. So she like got rid of the shotgun he'd used, but now realizes he has dozens of guns all over. And by this point, Parnell had returned after basically giving up trying to move Anna's body. And he got back in the vehicle and begins to drive himself and Jennifer away from the scene.
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okay and yeah After exiting on to the high or exiting off the highway onto a remote back road, Jennifer tried to figure out what her next move was going to be. um She says, quote, I remember trying to decide, okay, should I try to gear grab his gun and use it, or should I um I'm going to die regardless she recalls so should I at least go for it? You know, what do you do? Because she really really thinks she's gonna die no matter what so she's trying to decide should I go out trying to take him with me or yeah What um All the while she's describing Parnell's behavior is becoming more erratic and he's starting to become violent and
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Um, saying, um, as they were getting further away from town, uh, she said that he would hit me and then he would rage. And then he would start laughing. Like, was he mad or, um, think we were somebody else? Like she maybe thought he was like having hallucinations or something. Like didn't understand what was going on. Right. Like, um, just, uh, associating or whatever.
00:29:12
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Yeah, like, yeah. um So eventually, Parnell pulls over um through the empty back roads and he pulls over to the side of the road and ends up dragging her from the truck again, where he proceeds to sexually assault her on while they're on the side of the road. Oh, wow. Ballsy, part of the gross term, but yeah.
00:29:43
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um Afterward, she's put back in the truck again, um and at this point, Jennifer says he's a different person. um oh She says that he would start crying, and then he would start saying, oh my god, what happened to your arm? Because keep in mind, her arm is basically like severed and like hanging there. ah Oh, yeah.
00:30:05
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yeah like keep in mind that's how she's bleed out by the time i was done this now i have to talk to her still no i don't know but he's like he kept asking her and she was so confused like saying oh my god what happened to your arm and then he would go back to just screaming and raving um she says in the right she says in the i survived episode um that she at this point tries to like level with him, saying like I'm a single mom, decides to tell him about like her six-year-old son that she has, um trying to like humanize herself and yeah that kind of thing. um But as Parnell's behavior becomes more unhinged, Jennifer realized she may be able to use it to her advantage. This is where she ah really starts to like
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mess with him, I'd say. um So all while bleeding from like her dozens of wounds, ah Jennifer began talking to Parnell in an overly affectionate manner as he continued to drive them around on back roads.
00:31:16
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Um, yeah, she said in the episode, she was like rubbing his legs. She was even like kissing his shoulders, his neck. Uh, she said, I was telling him that was great. That was wonderful. And thank you for this good time. Uh, pretending to really, really enjoy what had happened. Um, and then she started to tell that it was definitely working. And wow so brave.
00:31:44
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Right? like Who would want to get close to him? her and Meanwhile, she is like bleeding profusely from her arm. How can she think straight? yeah yeah Good point.
00:31:58
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um At this point, he continues to like keep asking her about her wounds, like how she got them and what happened to her arm. So she decides to flip the story. um She starts telling him about a man that she decides to name John and said that John had shot her and that Parnell had actually pulled up and had rescued her after John shot her and left her on the side of the road to die.
00:32:27
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on Yeah. He likes this story. He's like, I like this one better if you're telling that to the cops. Okay. yeah um She tells him, you just picked me up there and you're going to take me back to your house, remember? um She says he just looked at me like I was crazy or something and he said, well, no.
00:32:47
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and then And I responded, yeah, thank you so much. You didn't see that guy, John, that just shot me. ah That man that just shot me and was going to leave me out there on the highway. And thank God you came along and you saved me. Wow. And she keeps saying it every time he's asking about her arm. She keeps telling him, like, oh, you saved me. You're my hero. He's clearly in some sort of psychotic episode, I mean.
00:33:15
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yeah um And I guess through Jennifer repeatedly telling Parnell that he had been the one to actually rescue her and not the one to shoot her, ah he had begun to genuinely believe her story. That he had nothing to do with her injuries and he had not even killed Anna. And that he had even rescued Jennifer. As she sat there repeatedly thanking him, she began to put pressure on him more and more um for him.
00:33:44
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to like take her back to his house so she could phone the police. Dang. Yeah. This is crazy. Right? I'm like, out of the listicle, I'm like, this one stuck with me. And I was like, I got to watch this episode and hear her tell it because it's crazy. Yeah. um She says, I just kept telling him, aren't you going to let me use your phone because I'm losing a lot of blood here. And he kept saying, I know you're bleeding everywhere.
00:34:13
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like Yes, thank you. You're getting all over the place. Yeah. um I guess at some point when they had been driving around, Jennifer had been given one of his shirts that she had like tied around her arm to use as a tourniquet that like somewhat helped to slow the bleeding. um But remember, she has 40 wounds between her neck, her chest, and her arm. It's not just her basically severed arm. Yeah, I am picturing mostly the
00:34:44
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Amputated. Limb. Stump. Bleeding out. But yeah, I forgot about the rest of it. Yeah. um So at this point, like after the sexual assault, I guess she was never given her clothes back. So this entire time she's been naked. So other than the shirt that she uses to tie around her arm, she's still naked.
00:35:07
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um Save for the tourniquet. Yeah, she's still pleading with him and Parnell will initially refusing to let Jennifer use the phone at his home to call 911 about her attack. um He's telling her that he had multiple warrants out for his arrest. um You don't say. And I don't know if he told her at this point or if like police told her after that he had been charged with domestic violence about a year before and even making terroristic threats.
00:35:39
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I can't imagine he'd offer that up too easily, but yeah. yeah but he did um She did say that he told her specifically that like even though he had rescued her, he didn't want her calling police from his house because of these warrants he had out for his arrest. But I don't know if he like told her what they were for.
00:35:59
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yeah Um, but at this point, Jennifer was refusing to give up. She added more details to her story about her attacker that was named John and insisted that Parnell was her hero and that he needed to get her medical help. Otherwise she was going to die. Yeah, she's not wrong about that.
00:36:23
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ah Parnell finally gave in and agreed to take Jennifer to his house to call 911. Well, at the same time, I guess he was threatening her life. um He said, I should stop acting bad and that I would end up dead like other people have ended up and that he won't be responsible for what happens to me.
00:36:44
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um Yeah, so they keep driving on the back roads. um Eventually they get to his house that's very like rural and secluded. um I think something said it was like 20 or so kilometers out ah or like miles out of town. um Okay.
00:37:03
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yeah ah Yeah, and there was like nobody around. ah She said as they drove up to his house, she noticed there was a small cemetery located ah that they had to kind of drive past, like he lived behind the cemetery.
00:37:19
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um and that like his family lived there, they all lived in trailers, ah and that like his parents lived in one trailer, and him and his brother in another, and then somebody else in the other one, but like he was the only one that was there, everybody was gone for the weekend or something. I don't like the sanitary part.
00:37:41
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Right? It's just creepy. ah But Terrified Jennifer kept the ruse going the best she could. um She walked into his house, found the phone right away and called 911. And you can, they play like some of the 911 tape in the episode, which I thought was cool, but I do have like transcripts. That could be so scary to listen to.
00:38:08
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this is really common she was like yeah when i called like you do not think she's like yeah hi somebody shot me and this man here that because he's watching her call my mom she's like this man here helped me uh from the side of the road and the operator's like sorry someone shot you and she's like uh-huh my arm is in half right now but this man right here this this man right in front of me he helped me like Um, yeah by a thread yeah yeah. And they're asking her like, are you from this area? And she's saying, nah. And they're like, okay, let me speak to this gentleman that's helping you. Okay. And she goes, um, okay. Uh, meanwhile she can hear the operator on the phone. Um, like tell somebody else I've got another gunshot wound and Jennifer just start saying, same one, same one, same one.
00:39:05
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And so the operator goes, you're the same. And she says, yep, yep, please hurry. um So at this point, like police had already found Jennifer's abandoned car, and they had also discovered Anna's body. So because it was within like the same town area, police now knew that Jennifer had been abducted and shot by the same man that had shot Anna. yeah So when they were saying, like we have another another gunshot, and she said, no, same one, same one.
00:39:39
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And they're like, oh, it's the same one. She went, yeah. So now they know, like, even though she's saying this guy saved me, um they know he isn't. yeah yeah and like smart of her to say it that way on the phone because it doesn't alert him that she's saying anything weird or incriminating to him necessarily yeah yeah just same one and you can hear it on the tapes too like you can hear him talking in the background you can hear in the operator like all of this it's wild and she's like i have the same one like
00:40:13
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um Jennifer remained on the phone with the 911 operator named Stephanie Davidson as they waited for the paramedics. Parnell had made her tell them that he was only allowing one ambulance to come onto his property and that no police officers or law enforcement were allowed, um which Jennifer reassured him was no problem at all.
00:40:37
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um Just telling them they're going to be so happy that you have saved my life and you're gonna be the hero of the day Yeah, even though you're being so weird Right like yeah Parnell gave Jennifer shorts and a t-shirt I guess to wear for when the ambulance came Good of him. She's been naked for most of this Okay Okay right? While waiting for the paramedics, Jennifer ah became increasingly faint due to obviously like all this blood loss. And when the operator, ah Stephanie Davidson asked her to help locate the property because it's like we're really rural, they don't know how to get there. um She was struggling to explain how to get to it. um All she could really tell them was like cemetery or something. And at this point,
00:41:32
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Right? um At this point it's wild because Jennifer convinces Parnell to get on the phone and speak with the dispatcher who he then gives exact directions to get to his house.
00:41:45
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and Yeah, well if you're a trusted hero, then you should have a problem with that. It's so weird. They're like, and the operators like, do you think paramedics can get to it if it's a long driveway? And he's like, I don't know if they can or not. That's why I want to walk to the end of the road, like where the cemetery is and say it's right before the cemetery.
00:42:03
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um So the operator responds, okay, they should be able to find it. It's kind of a ways out there and it takes them a few minutes to get out there is all. um How is she doing? Is she getting faint or anything? I know she says she's lost a lot of blood. ah And then he responds, she acts completely okay, but but I know she's scared out of her wits. And so am I because I'm the one that picked her up. And I'm scared to death because I got blood from head to toe. Oh my God.
00:42:32
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Um, and then, um, I think the operators like talking to him. I don't think they, I don't know if they played this in the episode or not, but in the transcript while they're still talking to him, the operators like, well, you're doing a great job. Okay. The ambulance isn't far from you. Like we'll hang in there, buddy. I mean, know Can you imagine having that job? They have to keep talking to the people like no matter how scared they sound or how suspicious or whatever. Yeah.
00:43:07
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yeah so crazy um It's wild because while on the recorded call, Parnell seems to genuinely believe that he had not been the one to shoot Anna and her or yeah shoot anna and jennifer um Jennifer says it was like he had enough ah he had not done anything and he really believed this other man had shot me. um he can He kept saying, where'd your friend grow go?
00:43:30
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Um, where'd your friend go? And I would tell him, uh, she's at the car. Remember? She didn't want to come. So you were just going to take me here. Remember? Like he didn't even remember that Anna was dead. Um, so she lied. And so it's like she wanted to stay with the car.
00:43:48
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yeah It just makes me think either that or he keeps saying it to see what she'll say in response like To see what she'll say under interrogation or something. I don't know if you listen to the tapes He's like really concerned about the police not or like the paramedics not being able to get to the house He's like do you want me to stand at the end of the driveway? I i can stand there and then you know you'll be in the right place like it's so weird He's so like cavalier about it ah Right, you have to really tell if he's like lying or not. Yeah, it's so weird. um Jennifer stayed on the phone, and this is wild, stayed on the phone with 911 operators for an agonizing about 50 minutes um from the initial phone call. Five zero? Yeah, when they got connected. um That's how long it took for the paramedics to arrive at the isolated property.
00:44:37
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yeah So they were on the phone between her and Parnell talking to this 911 dispatcher for almost an hour. They're not like allowed to hang up. Yeah, but like, holy shit. It took them that long.
00:44:51
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Uh-huh. Once they arrived, the paramedics did not approach the house. Instead, they ah waited, parked at the edge of the property um where Parnell thought this was strange. So he went outside and approached the ambulance, um like knocked on the window and told them that, hey, Jennifer's waiting inside for you. Like, do you want to come see her? And they were like, he's... I guess he told Jennifer they didn't really say anything so he just like went back inside um and when he returned to the house Jennifer says in the episode that um he told her that he didn't know what the paramedics were doing they were just sitting outside like it's like hey don't you want to come get her
00:45:36
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um But at this point, like they hadn't hung up the phone, so um I guess the operator must have heard that the paramedics were there now, or like gotten word, so Davidson, still on the phone with Jennifer, tells her to walk out of the house um and head towards the ambulance. This is so bizarre.
00:45:58
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Yeah. um So this is what Jennifer says. um When I walked outside, he was right behind me. I remember fixing to walk up this hill because there was like a big hill. god The like trailers and stuff were kind of like at the bottom of the hill. So I guess off the road you kind of drive down into their property.
00:46:20
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um So she remembers fixing to walk up this hill and I wasn't sure if it was trees or something moving and I thought well maybe I lost so much blood that I'm seeing things. And as Jennifer walked, she was not imagining things. What she saw was a SWAT team moving through the woods, headed towards Parnell, who they rapidly overwhelmed after a brief fight. He tried to fight back a little bit and then they overwhelmed him and took him into custody. Meanwhile, she like describes walking up to the ambulance and just being so happy to see somebody other than him.
00:46:54
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yeah so that's why they were hanging back because of the SWAT team yeah but it's so weird because he's like she's like yeah he went up to the ambulance and everyone is like why did he go up to the ambulance okay she's inside do you want to come see her like so bizarre and then he goes back inside be like i don't know what they're doing they're just waiting i guess like All of us bizarre. I'd be like, why would the ambulance people not get out? Yeah. Yeah. And then ah why is like he going up to them, not threatening them, be like, hey, she's inside. Do you want to come see her? She's badly injured. and like Bring her out then. Yeah. yeah um Less than a day after the attack, the 31-year-old's Eric Parnell was charged with first degree murder, aggravated sexual assault and kidnapping.
00:47:43
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Um, a bunch of stuff said he was charged with like two life sentences. And I guess, uh, must not really have gone to court too much or anything because during, it said during the jury selection, he pled or pleaded guilty to all charges and was sentenced to life in prison. So yeah, that was during jury selection. So I don't think it went to trial or anything like that. He just pled guilty. Um, I have no other information about him.
00:48:13
Speaker
It's like really weird. Wow. um Yeah, so I don't know what his whole the deal was, if there was a history of like mental illness or... Or like even his sentence. Good and fine. I think something said he like died in prison maybe.
00:48:42
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Oh, yeah. um Most of what I have is just follow ups.
Post-Rescue Challenges and Support
00:48:51
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Most of what I have is just follow ups for Jennifer and her life sins, um obviously survived the attack, but her life was forever changed.
00:49:01
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um Having sustained all those serious injuries, she faced many expensive surgeries and medical bills. And real I think really sadly as a result of this shooting, um she was unable to continue working as an EMT.
00:49:15
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um oh yeah she wasn't so she lost So she lost her job and then because she lost her job, she also lost all her medical insurance. so she had no way to pay for like the surgeries and stuff she was supposed to get like so fucked up right fuck america that was so sad i like this just when people need you the most and your system's gonna fail though right and she was an emt so like yeah she saved and treated how many people ah exactly on top of all that
00:49:52
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yeah So with no public ah insurance options available at the time, um most things said she went into massive amounts of debt and could no longer afford the remaining surgery she needed. This one was supposed to have a happy ending.
00:50:13
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me a for two years after the attack she battled that and serious health issues um she said she still couldn't feel the back of her hand at all and she didn't have like fine motor skills and she couldn't like put her hand up to her face um that was in 2007 so like two years later um by then she had already underwent about five surgeries to repair a hole um that was like in her bone and trying to fight off infections from the nearly 40 shotgun pellets that were still left in her body.
00:50:48
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on There was a 20-inch scar that runs along the back of her left arm, the one she was shot in, um and she says any money that she makes go to goes towards her medical bills. um and She kept her hand.
00:51:04
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yeah so like in the episode they kind of frame her so you only get like one glance and it yeah most of the comments people were under the assumption that her arm had been amputated but that's not the case as far as like what i read um yeah so i'm not too sure um Because in 2007, a little bit after she kind of told the news and they interviewed her about this, um somebody heard about her survival story, the CEO of Memorial Hermann Hospital. um He was like inspired by her survival and everything she did. And they agreed to cover all of her medical bills um for these critical surgeries that she couldn't afford.
00:51:54
Speaker
Aww, good. Yeah. Um, the operation was able to restore some of the movement to her elbow, which would allow her to complete simple tasks again. This made me so sad, like tying her shoes in opening containers, things that she could not do before. I was like, damn it. Like the little things we take for granted. Yeah, yea she lost the use of that hand for sure. Okay. Yeah, basically.
00:52:22
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okay After the surgery, she told the Houston Chronicle, my sole goal in life is to get somewhat back to ah back to what I was before. I know mentally and physically I'll never be able to go back to the job I used to have, but I'll be able to do something, I'm sure.
00:52:43
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um The doctors, I think, in that interview for the paper said that they had left about 37 gunshot pellets in her left arm because they said that removing them would cause more like damage, like trying to cut away to get access to them after basically two years of not being able to get at them. okay And everything that that would cause more nerve damage and everything than leaving them in. Yeah.
00:53:14
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Which does happen. People live with bullets and parts. yeah um There was a K-T-R-E interview.
00:53:27
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um I like this because it had Robin Franklin, who was Anna's mother. um who said, you just wake up every day and it doesn't get any easier but you learn to deal with it, but you miss her more. And in that same article, that's some nice quotes I thought from the family.
00:53:49
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um This was Jennifer saying, me and my cousin went to the store. ah We didn't know this man and um we they did not crash cross paths, but she was on her cell phone the whole time. ah Something triggered and followed us from the store four miles down the highway. He shot at my car and then came up and shot her in the head and took me with him.
00:54:14
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um Both women, I think this is supposed to be Anna's mom, and Jennifer say that they would do anything to have Anna walk through the door. um they said that and sorry Robin, Anna's mom said, her smile, her voice, she was so bouncy, I wish she would bounce through the door.
00:54:33
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so but And Jennifer says that she talks about Anna all the time and wished other people would do the same and really wants her son to remember her. Oh, Anna's son. Right? No. I think Jennifer's son. Oh, sorry. Just like remember his son. Yeah.
00:54:57
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um And then I think, oh, this must be, this is Jennifer's son, Jonathan. I don't know how old he was. They said he was six. So maybe he's like seven or eight around this time. um He said that he was in glad she's in heaven and that she was looking down on them. That was sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Darn.
00:55:22
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Yeah, that's the story. um Pretty crazy. I don't think I would have the stomach to be able to cozy up with somebody yeah that just shot and killed your cousin, like yeah critically wounded you and then assaulted you and then kidnapped you and for hours. Yeah, even to get past it in your mind.
00:55:53
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But yeah before that, i'm like my everything all my emotions always show on my face. like you know i yeah How would you not like look disgusted before you come hold it yourself to try and empathize with them and appeal to them? Yeah, it's fucked up. right yeah meanwhile you're like fucking bleeding out of your nearly severed arm this for hours this is going on like that's i was literally picturing like a stump i know that wasn't probably accurate but yeah i was like oh my god
00:56:24
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I don't know how she described it. She said like, it was basically a little flap of skin that was holding oh one half of her arm to the other. So that makes sense. It's like, yeah, war injuries, people get limbs like literally blown off, basically. Yeah. Yeah, I see that. It's uh, yeah.
00:56:46
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I think I heard someone tell a story about someone who skied over a land mine and he was so high on meth. He was like, where is my foot? What do you mean it's not there? Oh my God.
00:57:00
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Oh man. Like that guy in that 911 call you sent me that was like, I don't have any fingers. I'm like, sir, how did you call 911? And they're like, pull my finger. Yeah. He's like, oh, my fingers are back. Thank you. And they're like, have a good day, sir. He's like, you're an angel. She's like, no, I'm not. Yeah. And he's like, is your name this? And she's like, it is not.
00:57:27
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I fucking love that. I get videos from that channel now and I'm like, this is the best. People get so high. Just call in. Oh my God. 911, what's your emergency? I don't have any hands. I have knives. I can't put pads. I can't remember what else he said he couldn't do anymore. He was so sad.
00:57:51
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Are you Edward Scissorhands? Yeah. Oh my god. yeah Terrible. That was crazy though. Good good job. Good story. Yeah. um I'm going to go back and probably watch the whole episode um again. but Yeah, I'll embed it on our our web page because, yeah, listening to the 911, hearing her even talk and be like, yeah, 911, what's your emergency? And she's like, hi, I've been shot in the arm. My arm's just hanging here. And they're like, what? She's got my arm. It's just hanging here. It's crazy.
00:58:30
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yeah oh crazy And she even says, yeah, you can tell how, like, calm my voices. And I thought, okay, yeah, sure. But no, it just sounds like I'm talking right now. It's wild. Even when he gets on the phone, he's like, yeah, so you want to take a left at the... Jesus Christ. 911 calls, man. Oh, they're crazy. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be right back.
00:58:57
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00:59:28
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00:59:43
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Okay. So I must admit, I don't exactly know if I'm going to pronounce this lady's first name properly. But it's not a common name, so I don't know if I could have looked it up anyway? Question. Okay. Her first name is spelled T-E-K-A, so I think it's Tecca. I think that's what I was going with. I suppose it could be Tecca. I just don't- I would think Tecca. Yeah? Yeah.
01:00:18
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Honestly, I don't know if I end up hearing any podcast covered or anything. Like I sometimes listen to people come like verbally, but this time I think I just looked at articles,
01:00:33
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even though I know it was on an episode of I survived or something like that. Cause I remember looking up one of the sources was how I found out that I was like, Oh, this is just, I can't watch this. This was covered on a podcast yet. It has an IMD DB page.
01:00:47
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And that was what led me down the, do we have an IMDB page? And we do. We do, apparently. Um, shoot. So yeah. Okay. Yeah. Maybe we'll go Tika, but either way, I apologize because not having heard it before, I don't know how it's said. Yeah. I think I knew so somebody once who had that as part of their name and I'm pretty sure it's Tika.
01:01:17
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Yeah, it might have been like part of a last name or something. I like that better than any reasoning I've had to go on so far. Like just because I hear someone else say it as one way, I'm like, I don't know. There's ones you can't look up that easily sometimes.
01:01:37
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Yeah. And sometimes it's a ah common name and there's like a bunch of different pronunciations depending on like the country. So you're just like this name in Italian. And it's like, here's one, like one person's attempted Italian. Yeah. I would say we do our best. Um, but it is, uh, her story. So Tika Adams story.
01:02:06
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We'll call it. um Tika was a rebel without a cause, so to speak. She lived her life her own way. um Nice. yeah Hailing from Washington DC, she um grew up there and then by 2009 she was living on the streets.
01:02:27
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um you know, of that rebellious phase. But she had decided at this point that she'd had enough of that and was time to get her life in order. So she was kind of on that upward path or whatever.
01:02:44
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um She had always had a loving family in the area, like including her father, who was very loving to her. His name was Gregory Burnett. um So it wasn't like she had run away because home was bad or anything like that. So I... Okay.
01:03:01
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I don't know, I kind of understand. I had a rebellious phase like that where I'm like, I can't really blame anything super horrible at home, but like, you know, yeah. So I'm like, okay, see myself a little bit. I think my mom likes to tell people about the story when I was a kid and I packed up a backpack and told her I was running away from home because I didn't like how she cooked craft dinner or macaroni. Best reason.
01:03:37
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it is like It is like the five-year-old mentality though, right? It's like, like I can't deal with this. I was like, I don't like how you make it. I'm running away. And my mom looked at me and she says that she asked me where I was going. And I said,
01:03:51
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I'm going to my friend and I told her which friend I was going to and they said, okay, did you call him? I said, yep. And then she's like, okay, do you need a ride? And I was like, no. And so I started walking. I got this. I mean, i wasn't I wasn't like, I wasn't super young. I was probably closer to like, nine or 10. And it was like, okay, yeah. I don't know, like 2004, 2005. So the world wasn't off as awful yet. um yeah So it was basically I walked to my friend's house with a backpack, and but I had told my mom I was running away because I didn't like how she cooked macaroni and cheese. ah She tells everybody all the time. And to this day, I still will not eat her macaroni and cheese. I don't like it. I'm the only and um i'm the only one in my family that doesn't like it that way.
01:04:44
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So funny. Yeah, she makes it. She adds way too much milk. And then a whole bunch of extra butter and then a whole bunch of extra cheese. So it like gets very like liquidy. It's almost like a soup instead of like a sauce. Yeah. Pat's very picky about like, I try making homemade mac and cheese and he's like, give me the craft dinner. I will take the box stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Like anything. Oh, that's so funny though. Yeah. like that's like But then, but then when you refrigerate it, all the noodles soak everything up and I'm like, no, it's gross.
01:05:21
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don't want it okay yeah i'm still just pitching you with your little what is the the stick with the bag on the end of it the the yeah i figured what she was like yeah you packed up a backpack you said you were running away and you she's like and i asked you why and you're like because i don't like your crab dinner it's hilarious and i'm like yeah i can I can picture that happening because I really, that is like one hill I would not die on when I was younger. How, my macaroni and cheese. God damn it. Foodies from the start. Yeah. So I can see that where you're just like, oh, it didn't necessarily. Right. Like have to be anything bad. Exactly. Yeah. Sometimes it's something stupid.
01:06:12
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I think, yeah, she had a great home life. Maybe it's one at one point someone said it was even a little sheltered and I'm like, yeah, okay. Yeah. Sometimes you just feel like you got to get out there or something. You got to rebel because you need to rebel, not because you have something to rebel against. Exactly. Oh my gosh. But at this point she's got herself into a living in a shelter.
01:06:42
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Oh, I said for women, but that's not true because she meets a man there. oh Sometimes I'm writing my notes. I'm like, don't embellish too much. You don't know if those details you're just like adding are true, right? Yeah. This is my style of writing. i' be like oh um But yes, she's living in this shelter um and starts getting things more in order. About nine months into living there, she had met a guy named PJ.
01:07:09
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Which is funny because his full name is Ronald Bell, so I don't know where the PJ comes in.
01:07:17
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Either way, they hit it off. um He's also like getting clean and working on his own shit and whatnot. So they end up getting married. They're like fully Schmitten.
01:07:30
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okay ah yeah um she gets preganante um so this is maybe not you know maybe a little bit of a surprise so they're very happy and excited but also like worried because they're struggling to make ends meet and all that stuff not yeah like in a stable place is yeah
01:07:55
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um But she's still very happy to be kind of where she is in life and how far she's come. And I said that she was in a place where she's like looking in the mirror one day and felt good enough to write a little poem that like and don't know gave her some inspiration almost or something or she felt good. I was like, oh, it's so cute. it It went like this. As the sun begins to go down, I take a good look in the mirror at me. Damn, I must admit I'm liking what I see.
01:08:26
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Just like a little positive affirmation. Yeah. You're doing good girl. like oh oh So as she's living at this shelter and whatnot, ah Tika eventually gets a call from an unknown number that turns out to be offering free baby supplies. And these people are reaching out to pregnant women, you know, from the shelters or impoverished ones that might need the help.
01:08:56
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um okay yeah and this person says she'd actually got Tika's number from the community she but like the shelter she'd been living at which was called the community for creative non-violence for some reason okay i mean i think that would be a little weird i'd be like they they shouldn't ever be giving out your contact information yeah she um is not completely like just like oh i'm 100 this is super like she is hopeful and like this is really cool if this is legit but obviously yeah people that have lived on the streets and stuff and like she's just not going to take anything at face value either okay good good for her
01:09:46
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Um, but like this person calling says her name is Stephanie Mills. She works for a charitable organization that helps to provide infant clothing, you know, supplies like bottles and stuff like that for new ah mothers that can't afford it, things like that. So having said that, yeah, she reaches out to women that have been in shelters and stuff. She offers to arrange a time to meet with Tika to be picked up and taken to a warehouse to look for baby, baby clothing and stuff.
01:10:16
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But um especially her um husband there, PJ wasn't very enthusiastic about the idea and he was suspicious saying like, I don't know if you should get in the car with a stranger like that. Like, if I can't be there. Yeah. But again, they have no reason to believe that this is anything other than what it is.
01:10:41
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Neither should you unless we were talking about an untrue crime podcast. ah Right? I mean, what year what year did you say it was again? It's like 2009. Okay, yeah. I mean, we weren't as on the high alert of that kind of stuff. Oh no, it can be hard.
01:11:08
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to recognize ah somebody being nefarious. And 2009 internet was way different than. ah Yeah, because like, I guess we are kind of maybe I think we think we're more primed for all the scams out there now. But they just keep coming and they just keep evolving and stuff. Yeah.
01:11:33
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Yes so Tika is wanting to go get these baby clothes and stuff and her man PJ is not as sold on the idea but she's reassuring him it's fine and they agree to meet up on December 2nd and the morning of December 2nd Tika gets up at 5 30 a.m to get ready staying at the maternity home now is what it's called it has a little bit more privacy for a pregnant woman like her than the shared bathrooms that she had to you know endure at the shelter. She got in her own little room and stuff. And that morning PJ called her and was still urging her to wait till he can be there to meet up with the lady. But again, she's telling him not to worry. I know, I know. Always have to go with somebody.
01:12:29
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if they knew what we knew. yeah um Oh yeah, she's taking this lovely little place now. Like I said, it's a for a maternity home for women. that's It's run by the Queen of Peace Missionaries of Charity, where nuns cook them their meals and keep the cupboards stocked. And yeah, she has her own little room and it's all nice. So Eventually that morning, ah Stephanie is supposed to pick her up. She picks her up and they make their way down to the warehouse talking the whole time. Tika is very chatty because Stephanie is kind of not. So she's giving some of her life story and how she's very hopeful for the future. She's just so grateful for the opportunity.
01:13:18
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and is willing to just be patient when Stephanie says they might need to make a pit stop at her place because she's got more car trouble, which is why they had to reschedule, I think, their first meeting. Oh, okay. So she's like, whatever, yeah, as long as we can get this done.
01:13:39
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And she's chatting away to Stephanie. She's talking about her childhood, how she was, you know, creative and gifted, but was also then diagnosed as bipolar as like a preteen and disliked how the medications made her feel. So she had some like struggles there, I guess. Yeah. yeah um After her parents split, she then acted out by running away from home, which started for longer and longer periods when she was about 14.
01:14:10
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Damn.
01:14:13
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um So she was kind of transient and living with others when she got actually pregnant the first time and gave birth at about 23. She then gave that baby to her parents to take care of because she just didn't feel she was in the place to do so, I guess. um So that is her first baby whose name was Sadie and she's being raised by her mom and dad.
01:14:39
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um But now she had been working on repairing some of those relationships that she had kind of let go a bit, you know? Yeah. And now her daughter Sadie, who had been living with her parents, had started calling her like mom or mother. So she was like really happy, I guess. um That's nice. Yeah. So she was like talking about how she was on the upward path in life and she's talking and talking and this Stephanie is driving her.
01:15:11
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towards her apartment, which is in this large pale brick apartment building complex and they stop there so that they can get the car help that they need. Um, I don't know, but yeah, that's a little weird. I don't you know get that. Well, the first thing I read, it didn't even say what the reason was they gave for stopping at the apartment. I was like, but there must've been something, you know? Yeah.
01:15:40
Speaker
and it Just like one time when i ah we were supposed to take a direct flight and they told us the flight couldn't make it there but it could make it half an hour shorter um and do a layover somewhere and know because of like fuel reserve problems and it's like okay cool so like the half an hour grace period we is what's gonna keep us in the air. They're like yeah so we can't make it the six hours for this direct flight but we can make it the five and a half across the country and then you'll get on a different plane and fly another four and a half hours and you're like okay cool so like this half an hour difference is like life and death.
01:16:17
Speaker
like damn it made no sense to me it's been what i don't know 13 years since the flight it still makes no sense to me
01:16:30
Speaker
There's something we didn't know. Yeah, so weird. They're like, yeah, we can't store enough fuel to make it here, but we can make it half an hour less to here. And it was like. And then all I could think in my head was, well, if we can't land right away and we have to circle a couple of times, that could take half an hour. And then what we can die like. Oh, my God. We're going to be like that Seinfeld episode where they see how far they can get on empty. Yeah. But in the. bla filled with hundreds of people. Like, what are we doing? What are we doing here, guys? Were you with your, like, family and stuff? the Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it was really, really weird.
01:17:14
Speaker
um yeah yeah be on alert guys okay um yeah it must be feeling a little weird by now when she takes tika to a small bedroom with very minimal furniture and it except for like a tv stand and tv and stuff um but she says that she and her son had recently moved from new york yeah she's like we just got here you know
01:17:44
Speaker
Okay.
01:17:48
Speaker
Tika is getting uncomfortable, but just just also trying to keep her calm and doesn't want to lose this opportunity at the same time. But yeah, it's kind of weird how they're in this bedroom that only has the, I guess it has an ironing board, a dresser, the TV, a stack of DVDs, and a bare mattress directly on the floor. Oh. Yeah.
01:18:12
Speaker
Like a kidnap room. Newspapers in the corner for people to cut letters out of. Dark.
01:18:25
Speaker
dark They end up watching, seeing they're watching, I guess, ah some sources said a bootleg version of the movie Precious. What? Why? watch I've never watched it. I knew it would make me sad.
01:18:42
Speaker
I know, wasn't it? Okay, I don't even know. It won something, maybe. It won some Oscars.
01:18:52
Speaker
I think it won some Oscars. Yeah. But anyway, so it's very strange and Steph makes them some sandwiches and like, what's her face? Tikka's like, oh great, I didn't have time to like, have breakfast. you Uh, got up at like 5 30 for this day. I don't know if I talked about it yet. To go to this lady's apartment and watch projects. Well, their appointment was in the morning and like, I know anyway. Yeah. Um, PJ calls and he's like, should I pick you up? I really like want to know if you're okay. And she's like, everything's okay right now. And she just doesn't want to worry him further by saying that she doesn't even exactly know where that she is.
01:19:39
Speaker
time but also she is so there is that but she is also supposed to be back at the house the maternity house by like noon so i think she has some sort of curfew maybe i don't know or they're just expecting her back by then um so when a second movie is put on and it starts she's getting more uncomfortable at this point and her senses are on high alert yeah suddenly
01:20:12
Speaker
but number
01:20:15
Speaker
yeah Yeah, her senses are on high alert, but still she's suddenly blindsided literally when a blanket is thrown over her head. Damn. So it's really not good from here on out. As you can imagine, she's repeatedly hit in the head by several hard blows that she yeah doesn't even know where they're coming from because she's been blinded. um But she struggles to her feet and manages to raise her hands above her head in sort of a defensive position.
01:20:52
Speaker
She's seeing blood dripping into her eyes, but she throws off as much of the blanket as she could and sprinted towards the door of the apartment. yeah Reaching the front door, she realizes it's triple locked with like a chain, a bolt, and a door lock. so like Damn. I mean, yeah, apartments. Yeah, even worse than like like yeah you know the hotel rooms. They have chain locks, but it's not normal for all, I guess, houses to have that, really? I don't know.
01:21:29
Speaker
Then she's trying to open up these locks. Stephanie, catches up with her. So she crashes into her trying to tackle Tika to the ground but Tika is wild with fright and fight and they end up grappling with each other where Tika kind of is able to wrap wrestle the box cutter that Stephanie has out of her hands and attempts to fight back.
01:21:53
Speaker
Yeah. But when Stephanie gets a fire poker, it's like the longer weapons. So Tika's end up throwing the box cutter yeah out of reach. She begins striking Tika with the weapon upwards of, I put 25 to 20 times, but I read it was up to 40 times. That was obviously a mistake. Damn. A lot. Yeah. Yeah. This poor lady's pregnant.
01:22:23
Speaker
um the one source had a quote said when they went down fighting uh first stephanie was on top then tika stephanie opened her legs so that tika's pregnant belly was between her knees and began squeezing tika's stomach with her legs despite her smaller stature five two and usually 115 pounds she got her hands around um Veronica's throat causing her to drop the fire poker. She could hear the other woman wheezing. Then she watched in amazement as Veronica threw her hands back and started praying. You're praying she thought? Are you crazy? Yeah, she's fucking nuts! Oh my god.
01:23:10
Speaker
her vision begins to damage she passes out and wakes up. This is also a horror movie, to feel herself being dragged across the floor towards the kitchen. Yeah, what the fuck? Oh my god, it's ah so horror movie coded to me. Yeah. Terrifying. I feel like I've seen this movie. ah Yeah, yeah.
01:23:34
Speaker
oh Also, oh. Don't even get me started on the whole Wikipedia page about fetal abduction. Because you're gonna guess that's where this is going. I thought maybe when you start talking about baby clothes and meeting her in a a warehouse and not to bring her boyfriend. I was like, oh, we're gonna steal that baby. That's what's happening.
01:24:01
Speaker
That's terrible. But yeah, you're on to it. um
01:24:08
Speaker
but Stephanie lets her go and gives into the kitchen where she can hear her rummaging around as if looking for something. Tika hears and sees Stephanie come back and kneel by her side where she then felt a cold and sharp pain.
01:24:26
Speaker
um
01:24:29
Speaker
And I guess at one point she leaves again to the kitchen area and Tika hears her praying, Lord forgive me, I am a sinner or I've sinned, forgive me. I wrote I've sinner, so I don't think that was right, but it was something like that. I've sinner. I have caught the sinner.
01:24:50
Speaker
oh Okay, I'm gonna have to put a massive trigger warning in front of our whole episode because it's so awful. Yeah, this was supposed to be a more uplifting episode. Why did both our cases go so bad? It's graphic, but it does end up, you know, with a pretty good ending. um She kicks her out of a window like the fuck she's rotting in. She gets impaled on a tree.
01:25:24
Speaker
um Yeah, unfortunately, in losing consciousness, consciousness rapidly, Tika is terrified that she and her baby are going to die. She's losing blood from two major wounds, a head wound and one that was on her torso at this point. so Yeah, Stephanie tells her to get up.
01:25:46
Speaker
And Tika says she doesn't think she can. So Stephanie is like cleaning up some of the blood around her and then helps her to back to the the bedroom with the mattress or whatever. And she was like apparently saying stuff like that. She couldn't have the blood be such a mess when her like son came home, which was like, OK, bitch, whatever. Oh, I'm sorry, everyone. Your nice plan of murder. Thanks.
01:26:16
Speaker
Ugh, so stupid. Um, she then takes Tika's phone away and that's when she's obviously pleading for her life, trying to humanize herself and do all the tactics that you can to appeal to your attackers sympathy, attackers like sympathy and whatnot. Um, Stephanie clearly stresses pacing the broom, but she's not really relenting. She like,
01:26:43
Speaker
I guess keeps putting on movies. I don't even know what the other movies were. Damn. I know what one other movie was. We'll get to it. It's fucking weird. Tika watches Stephanie, too scared to let herself sleep, even if Stephanie does. She asks if she would be let go, to which Stephanie replied, I don't know. I need to know how to get out of this. Like she's obviously just taking it. What? Minute by minute. I don't know. What the hell?
01:27:13
Speaker
it's just so disorganized yeah if you have ADHD and you're not made medicated maybe you shouldn't murder people no we're just but if you are medicated Alana endorses murdering yeah no and at least be better at it make a list plan ahead and murder that person and check it twice It's making a list. She's stacking it twice. She's gonna murder everybody on that list.
01:27:49
Speaker
Damn. Sorry, I just was thinking about that movie we both said we watched again, but... but What do you want me to call it anyway? We're not allowed to talk about anything until the Patreoners. That's right.
01:28:06
Speaker
and It was... what do they call it? A band. There's a moratorium on it. No. yeah Okay, but unfortunately this torture goes on into the next night and into the next day for poor Tika. Yeah. Basically it's like three days total. That's crazy. It's so like horrifying. How didn't she die from blood loss or something?
01:28:37
Speaker
I know and it's all in an apartment building and I feel, you know, if she's like trying to preserve herself and is too scared. But like, what if I don't know what if she had screamed like she might have been killed right away. i So she could have maybe not survived, but maybe someone could have saved her sooner. I don't know.
01:28:56
Speaker
Just sucks. I was thinking about it the other day when how people always say, oh yeah, I heard screams, but I thought they were watching a movie or something. So I ignored it. and That's why I was thinking like, oh my God, like, what would you even do? And I'd be like, you'd have to get real specific. You'd have to be start screaming like I live ah next door to you. This is the address. ah This is not a movie. This is real. called like You'd have to You'd be like... You should not implicate yourself or whatever. Yeah, but like, if somebody was attacking you and you didn't want them to think you were just watching a movie, especially in like apartment or something like that, you'd have to be like, this is the address. This is not coming from a movie. You need to call for help. Don't ignore this. That's real. Yeah. Yeah. Because you can't just be like, this is real. Help me.
01:29:54
Speaker
You have to be like, this is my name, this is my address. Gordo.
Tika's Harrowing Experience
01:30:02
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Hey.
01:30:06
Speaker
um So unfortunately for Tika, Veronica's son eventually arrives and he's just willing to help hold Tika down while she's tied up with duct tape and stuff. What? Yeah. How old is her son?
01:30:24
Speaker
I believe he's an adult son. Okay. sorry sure For some reason in my head, I was picturing like a 10 year old. I was like, well, fuck. No, because I don't think so. Because at this point, this woman is like 40 when she gets older. Oh, okay. um so like like I was picturing like some 20 something with a young child. I was like, what the hell? Yeah. No, but still fucked up. Um,
01:30:54
Speaker
strangely she's left to sit out there that night so she'd been bound with duct tape like wrists and ankles but then instead of doing something to her that night they just kind of like i guess left her there and like fed her a little bit i'm just like this woman did not know what she was doing at all um yeah what the heck she's just flying by the seat of her pants The next day they unbind Tika long enough to shower and wash the blood from her hair. And like, why? Cause then your ordeal is far from over. Stephanie lets her dry off and then starts actually cutting her own fingernail or cutting Tika's fingernails. And she's like, what are you doing? Why are you cutting my fingernails? She's like, cause my DNA will be under them. So she's like,
01:31:49
Speaker
trying to already cover up the evidence i've been like oh yeah let me add some work yeah ah do i look like i'm dead yet does it look like i didn't just bleed like everywhere in your kitchen right yeah you don't think they'll get some dna from that spray spray with some luminol your thing is gonna light up like christmas like what the hell lady the luminol thing it always makes me think of uh and Anyway, there's a scene with What's His Face in the office, Dwight, where his family sings. They paint their walls with luminol. but And you're like, what? We think our mouths with cinnamon. It's was a catchy song, but really weird lyrics. I must admit.
01:32:42
Speaker
Is that part of, did Michael Schur write it? He plays the one cousin or something, doesn't he? Oh yeah, Moe's. I think so. So funny. They're like, oh, that one scene, that dude running. He's the one that wrote the whole show. He's running beside the car like a psycho. It's like, ah.
01:33:04
Speaker
Oh, God. OK, we can do this, guys. Power through. Power through. um so after Stephanie's cutting her nails. Then she leaves her own for wit and comes back with a strange assortment of items, including two box cutters, a couple of rags, six towels, and a box of ice. Oh my god. Things aren't looking good. Then she puts Michael Jackson's documentary on in the background. This is it. And you're like, that's right. This is it. It's over. What?
01:33:45
Speaker
Okay, it's too much now. I don't think I've seen this. This is like a documentary. No, I haven't either.
01:33:54
Speaker
2009. I guess it was all the rage. um But like, Tika's like, I'm about to be tortured to death while backup dancers talking about trying to get on the King of Pops tour. Like, this is fucked up. Yeah. And apparently, according to one source detail,
01:34:13
Speaker
Stephanie continuously rewinds and rewatches if it gets past like a certain part in the movie While all this horrible shit is going on. So it's like she is You know gotta like Enact the ritual. I don't know. I don't know weird. Yeah It's very weird. You are absolutely correct. Like, oh, we're not finishing on schedule at the same time as the movie. I have to pause it. Right. And like.
01:34:52
Speaker
Yeah, I got a little confused about when and where she got help from that son she was mentioning, tying her victim up and stuff.
01:35:04
Speaker
But she stuffed a dew rag at one point in Tikka's mouth and wrapped duct tape all around that and all the way around her head. Damn. And then when we got on the phone, I couldn't help but notice on the video call that Kelsey was wearing a dew rag around her head, a bandana. I was like, whoa. Dun, dun, dun. Yeah. You're the traitor. No. Oh, God.
01:35:34
Speaker
I'm sorry, this is really, ah mine's really, really horrifying. There's just another trigger or warning for about how graphic it's going to get again. Um, cause like this impromptu surgery, if you can call that begins where, you know, she's trying to take the baby out. Cutting sawing through Tica's flesh and muscle into her abdomen and ah feels like she's like, oh, I can't do it with the knives and stuff. So she starts like almost being clawed apart by her fingers. The frick. Ah, it's so gross. And eventually Tika passes out from the pain and the blood loss and everything.
01:36:23
Speaker
Funnily enough, when we start doing research for our survival ones. I was listening to and that's why we drink and she did a case where the woman was like, holding her innards in and I was like, wow, isn't that fun? We have so many similar stories this week. It's so gross and horrible. Yeah. Exactly. So when Tika wakes again, Stephanie is actually sleeping curled up in front of the bedroom door. So she's like, this may be my only chance. I'm going to gather my strength and try and fucking run.
01:36:59
Speaker
Yeah. the Praying to God and everything else. She staggers to her feet and steps over Stephanie, hoping not to wake her. She manages to make it to the front door, but this time she gets all three locks open and stumbles outside.
01:37:19
Speaker
There's a stairwell. She has to go down in the apartment and she goes down a floor and starts knocking on several apartment doors trying to get people to assist her. Okay, smart. Go down the floor first. Right? It's like, not not immediate. Yeah, no one's answering though. And she finds herself struggling to remain conscious. And unfortunately, the next thing she knows she's waking up at the bottom of the stairs with Stephanie standing over her because she's passed out again from Jesus blood loss.
01:37:53
Speaker
Tika screams bloody murder in a last-ish effort to save herself. And it actually works when a man opens his door a crack to see the two locked in another like fight to the death, I would assume. Yeah. Yeah, Stephanie's like putting on a smile and just being like, everything's okay. I'm just- Nevermind this- Yeah, this bloody woman.
01:38:17
Speaker
so She's my, I'm just helping her. It's just my job, you know? Yeah. She's basically saying all those things. So Tika just screams, please help me. She's trying to kill me. And then she kind of realizes that she's wearing like a navy blue shirt that might be so dark. The bloodstains aren't really apparent. So she like lifts up her shirt. Like she's just going to flash the guy, right? And then he sees that like her torso is like coming apart. Yeah. And he's like,
01:38:47
Speaker
What the fuck I'm calling the cops and he runs back in the apartment. Yeah. Wow. That's smart. I know. I can't believe she had to be like, look at this. Oh my God.
01:39:01
Speaker
oh Anyway, good for him though. So Stephanie runs the EMTs arrive and they're shocked to see Tika state. And she just says, I have been beaten and I'm cut open and I need help.
01:39:16
Speaker
um shit Yeah. know there And the next thing she knows, she's waking up in a hospital bed with PJ right beside her. Just like, like happy ending. and a Before she can get the words out of her mouth to ask, a nurse enters and tells her that the good news is she has a healthy baby girl. like So amazing after all that.
01:39:48
Speaker
Miraculously, the infant had been like tucked up in an area of the womb that kept her safe. So i apparently kind of like up towards the top or something. I don't know. It's just crazy. Yeah. They ended up naming her the ah Miracle Sky for her name. That's cute. I know.
01:40:13
Speaker
um And I love this quote from ah what's her name herself, Tika. She said, I survived because I was coming to a point in my life where I started to love myself and respect myself and cherish life. I survived because of God and my support system. I know a lot of people love me and I know that God loves me. And like they say, God looks after babies and fools. And I had a baby and I was a fool.
01:40:41
Speaker
That's just so sweet, almost.
01:40:47
Speaker
Anyway, it was amazing that they did. And then also like a stroke of blood luck that this Stephanie person like called the police to turn herself in rather than having to be hunted down, which is pretty crazy. Really? Yeah. Oh my God. Shocking, right? Yeah, like how hard would it have been to find her, I guess, even?
01:41:15
Speaker
Well, she was using a fake name, so probably a little bit hard. Yeah, I guess. Like, they would have, like, apartment leases, vehicle stuff to go off. ah Phone records, exactly, because she called multiple times before Tika even, like, picked up or whatever. Yeah. um But it's crazy, because, yeah, she was going by the name of Stephanie Mills, but her real name was Veronica... Veronica Derimos.
01:41:44
Speaker
I don't know if I'm saying that right, but yeah, that was her real name. Damn. She sometimes even went by Veronica Quinn, which was like her old married name. So.
01:41:59
Speaker
Under the radar. And OK, this was weird to me because the motivations usually for these type of cases that they don't like can't have kids or whatever, they're telling people they have kids, but she had four kids of her own.
01:42:14
Speaker
she'd actually already had okay yeah that is the most common thing i've heard i know a lot of these um articles have like links to like oh fetal abduction on wikipedia which by the way so many cases on that web page where you're like holy shit scary right i think i even heard of maybe a couple or something that had abductions that happened in like hospitals people go in and just taking a baby out of a hospital very very young and someone's posing as a nurse yeah that's really scary like data i know it's so fucked up um and this one yeah no less
01:43:06
Speaker
ah kind of gross like what did I say last um oh yeah this veronica person she'd had kids of her own um and like when she said they just moved into the area her and her son no they'd been living there since earlier that year um She'd grown up in the area. She'd been a high school track athlete. She joined the military. She'd served from 88 to 99 and earned rank of corporal. um So she had actually done well in the mail military rather.
01:43:43
Speaker
um Yeah, it's like, kind of strange. She'd got routine commendations. In 96, she started serving as or in a Texas Army National Guard unit in Austin. Later spent some time at Fort Hood, which I was like, Fort Hood. Yeah, that had some violent past. um But like, it's kind of that whole like, the neighbors are all like, I trusted her, she babysit our kids, you know, like, yeah,
01:44:17
Speaker
no reason to think she wasn't normal. um But around 2002, she'd had her first conviction, which was a first-degree forgery. So she kind of started screwing the law then. She screwed over a coworker who'd co-signed on an apartment with her and like got evicted and then incurred credit card debt in that coworker's name as well by using it. So she like really fucked over that person.
01:44:49
Speaker
ah some identity fraud in February 2009 to which she pled guilty and before all this craziness she'd been working at a pediatric practice where she worked as a medical assistant and they said she was very close to a lot of people there but also unfortunately ah the the pregnant ladies that they had worked there too and she told them that she was also pregnant for whatever reason. Yeah. It's a really different one because she already had kids. So like, yeah. I mean, when you were listing like her other crimes and if she had had dad, I was like, oh, maybe she was going to like get the baby and then like pretend the baby was hers or something.
01:45:36
Speaker
hi and then like something to try and gain money in some fashion yeah and try and like sure maybe put the baby up for adoption or sell the baby or something but yeah she was going around telling co-workers that she was pregnant that that doesn't seem to make sense that's weird i just don't get how that if that's the case that's your only motivation is that you told people you were already pregnant so now you have to get
01:46:08
Speaker
A baby? Like what? Yeah, that's really weird. and Especially, again, given the fact that she did not have trouble having them herself. So it's just... Yeah. I mean, you can get pregnant at 40. I know. Yeah. I mean, they might not recommend it nowadays, but like we've come a long way with modern medicine and it's not even always as dangerous. Yeah.
01:46:35
Speaker
but That's weird. That doesn't even make sense to me. I don't get the motivation. But I know she got charged. She got first degree attempted murder, kidnapping, first and second degree assault, false imprisonment and reckless endangerment was her charges for this case. Damn. Did her son get charged with anything? I was just gonna say some sources say that her son ah I can't confirm if he was, but they thought they were at least thinking about charging him with something because he was helping to hold her arms down and shit, like to keep her. Well, he at least knew he could be charged with false imprisonment. Right. Right. I mean, he was the way to this crime. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. In three days. So damn. So this 40 year old Veronica
01:47:31
Speaker
whatever the fuck her last name was, was sentenced in November 2010 to 25 years in prison, uh, with her plea bargain. And, uh, I do remember they said that, um, Miracle Sky, uh, the baby and Tika were in attendance, at least for the plum preliminary hearing. And she was dressed all in pink and they were at least there to be like, ha ha ha, we survived. You can't keep us down. Yeah.
01:48:01
Speaker
so cute and they'll live together in the apartment with the older sister and i don't know right i don't know what the fuck with this one it's just like mine like just there isn't there isn't anything i found that i had access to that talked about yeah the motivation like yeah it's left to you to wonder why because like you said she was
01:48:32
Speaker
She said she was like calling a bunch of pregnant women in like different shelters. or that Yeah. She claimed. They definitely mentioned her being closer to some of the pregnant ladies that were on staff at the pediatric clinic or whatever. And you're like, Oh, okay. Yeah. But then how did she get in contact with Tika? And she told Tika that. Yeah.
01:49:00
Speaker
Yeah. Like she obviously went for was like, well, I'm a scam artist now and I'm going to use my connections here or get information from this shelter. Yeah. Yeah. Contact this lady. I'm going to pray on vulnerable people is what she obviously said to herself. Yeah. It's fucked up. Damn. Yeah. That's really weird. I know. And let me tell you, man, were there some choices for,
01:49:28
Speaker
survival stories. I told you I was listening to and that's why we drink when there was one where she was like holding her guts in and I was like we are just about to talk about a survival story now you're gonna tell me a crazier one no but like right just yeah they're they're always crazy because you don't expect people to survive once they've been like shot 15 times or whatever like you're like there's no way but It's so cool. It's like obviously well, maybe there's the here for a reason or whatever. Right? People fight back. Yeah. Hot damn. It was really good. I enjoyed that one. um Yeah, we'll have to do this again, even though we both did such downer episodes. I mean, it is true crime. but And it is survival. Technically.
01:50:24
Speaker
Nobody fucking died. Except in mine. One person died in mine. Shit, you're right. Fucking Anna! God damn it, rest of you is Anna. I know. Your name is almost my name too. ah I had to talk to Alana Marie on the phone the other day and I was like, literally your name is my name, but without an A. Because her name was just Alana Marie. And I'm like, I'm Alana Marie.
01:50:50
Speaker
nice anyway yes let's do it yeah i kept trying to put like a n n a and i was like nope it's a single n for anna is it okay yeah it was like this is so hard for me to type because i like don't know anybody that's just one single n i think it's more spanish but i'll have to ask my friend anna at work who's from el salvador and i think she's coast by her middle name now because her husband, I was like, wait, is your first name really Rebecca? We all call you Anna. Well, my husband liked it better. Okay. Yeah. A lot of people go by their middle name.
Conclusion and Listener Engagement
01:51:34
Speaker
I know it's weird. But when you don't know that it's weird to find out that they do, right? You're like, Oh, okay. Anyway.
01:51:43
Speaker
That's weird because i yeah I was listening to a podcast earlier. She's like, I swear, Anna, Sophie. And was like, your first name is Anna? I thought you went by this name. Oh, my God. Anyway, we will see you next week. I don't think we know what we're talking about next week yet, but we will be doing our Patreon very soon. So stay tuned for that and keep it cryptic. Yeah. Bye.
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Speaker
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