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Episode 720 - Playin' Jazz f/ Brian Michael Bendis, Soo Lee, Patton Oswalt and Jordan Blum
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All the names on the cover of Welcome to Twilight: From the World of Minor Threats #2 join us for the show this week to talk about working through new story developments as they come, whether it's intimidating to come into a universe with so many elements already built in, depicting flashbacks visually, fast food, and a whole lot more!
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Introduction and Show Setup
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I just, I'm bored. What plaything can you offer me today?
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got more Rocket Ajax to bring back his body. Terminate! Exit! Yo! Yo!
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to War Rocket Ajax. This is the Internet's Most Explosive Comic Book and Pop Culture Podcast, and we are your hosts. My name is Chris Sims. With me, as always, Matt Wilson.
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Matt, I believe you had a question for me. That's right. We start off the show with a question now.
Wrestling Nostalgia and Favorite Nitro Episodes
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And my question for you, Chris, involves the fact that All Elite Wrestling Dynamite has surpassed Monday Nitro in number of episodes, making it the longest-running primetime wrestling show on the Turner Networks.
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My question for you, based on that, is what was your favorite episode of Monday Nitro? I don't know if any of them were actually good. That's a great point.
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But I did – well, some of them were good. Some of the episodes were good. But I did always love it when they would do the Club La Vela episodes.
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The spring break episodes. Yeah, the spring break episodes where they would essentially wrestle on a floating island in the middle of a pool. And someone always got thrown into the pool. Yeah. like Those were always – Convicted murderer Hardbody Harrison definitely got thrown into the pool. Jesus.
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ah Yeah, because it was fun. i think a big problem with a lot of pro wrestling is that it a lot of it looks very samey. There's certainly a reason for that. like you know I'm sure that when a lot of people go to the show, they want to see the show exactly as it's presented on television.
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But I kind of want to see weird shit. Yeah.
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Wrestling in the middle of the Mall of America or ah or in in a pool, essentially. That's weird shit, and I like it. Also, the one where I can't remember if it was a Nitro or a Saturday night where ah where DDP did not join the NWO. Oh, right.
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Where he like threw the t-shirt at them. he He put the t-shirt on, yeah and then he hit Scott Hall with the diamond cutter, and then ah escaped through the crowd, threw the shirt at him. What a great moment.
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Allow me to correct myself. Noted jobber in WCW, Hardbody Harrison, was not convicted of murder. He was convicted of other crimes that I won't talk i don't want to talk about. Okay. Favorite episode of Nitro?
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My favorite episode Nitro, the but episode that I got most hyped for – when it aired, was what was touted as the 100th episode of Nitro, which was in fact the 99th episode of Nitro. Great. Love it.
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It was just before Road Wild 1997. And it ended with Lex Luger winning the WCW World Championship from Hulk Hogan. And there's this long sequence after that where they like clean the spray-painted NWO off the title.
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And like spray each other with ah champagne. I remember that, yeah. And like I was so excited, because like Hogan had had the title for so long. Because you love Lex Luger so much.
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Listen, Lex Luger at that point in time was great. I'm not even joking. Here's the weird thing about ah Lex Luger, a bad person. Yeah. And also, mostly a terrible wrestler. There's like...
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Two or three years in his career when he put his fucking worker boots on. Yeah. At the end of WCW, Lex Luger going around breaking people's arms yeah was actually fucking great.
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And Luger in 97. Go back and watch Lex Luger in 1997. He is so entertaining. Anyway, that's my choice. Great question, Matt. Great question. And we have a great show for everyone tonight.
Introduction of Creative Team for Minor Threat's Welcome to Twilight #2
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We do. ah We are welcoming... The creative team and the creative team behind Minor Threat's Welcome to Twilight number two, Brian Michael Bendis and Sue Lee, and also the architects of the Minor Threat universe, Jordan Bloom and Patton Oswalt, to the show.
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Yes, we have four guests in our interview segment, and it goes is great, and it's a great interview, and you're going to want to stick around and listen to it. So, do.
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But before we do that, Chris, before we talk to all of those great folks, we have some business to take care of, starting with thanking our newest supporters on Patreon.
Community Engagement and Patreon Support
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That's right, Matt. Now, these are the people who no longer have to drive all the way down to 720 Gimmick Street, but they can tell us what's at 720 Gimmick Street by going to patreon.com slash warricadejax. And Matt, I would love it if you told me what the new business is.
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Yes, this business name, these naming rights were purchased by patron Patrick Curry, who has dictated that at 720 Gimmick Street, there is a pet food store called Biscuits Biscuits.
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Dang, that's good. that's good I think that's where I got Biscuits birthday cake this year. Yeah. Biscuits Biscuits.
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Biscuit would be such a cute spokesdog. Oh, incredible. Incredible. Who could look at that empty head and not want to purchase just things?
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and Not me, for sure. Yeah.
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Well, thank you. That's what's at 720 Gimmick Street. Biscuits Biscuits. Now, did just does Biscuits Biscuits also have stuff for Harrison? It's a pet food store, so yes. And Eleanor?
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Yes. it's I think it is an overall pet food store. there There must be like a department called Harrison's... Matt, kit ah get a cat with an easier-to-rhyme name, please.
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Eleanor's Edibles, but not those kind of edibles. Eleanor's Edibles, if you want to get your dog... If you want to get your cat real chill, on 420, blaze ah yeah Speaking of which, ah before we i guess before we read out the names, we did go over 420. Unfurl the banner, everybody.
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So it's happening. we're getting Mission accomplished. We're going to do some boco on edibles, and that will be coming your way very soon. i am I am so glad that the number of people finally went to patreon.com slash warrocketajax to help support the show, help support all the things that we do and keep us going, ah help us pay those gimmicks they keep sending in the mail call bills, and most importantly, helped the grassman Matt Whedson return to action.
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That's right. And here are some of the people who helped us achieve that. Carter Lyons. Thank you, Carter. Shifez. Thank you, Shifez.
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Mark O'Donovan. Thanks, Mark. Philip Taqman. Thank you, Philip. Duncan Harrod. Hey, Duncan, thank you. CLE Milan.
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CLE Milan? Yeah. Grazie. Dalton Cruz. Damn, that's a cool name. Thanks, Dalton. And Tom O. Thank you, Tom.
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That was a good number of people, and they did, in fact, get us over 420 paid Patreon patrons. The real heroes. As patrons, all of those people get every single episode episode of every show that we do, this show weekly, comics catch up monthly,
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Every Story Ever monthly, and Movie Fighters and Snack Situation. They get every single one of those shows ad-free in a special feed on Patreon. ah They also help us out, which is very important.
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um At the $5 and above level, they get bonus content, which will include the edible content when we make it. At the $10 level... The content where we take edibles. It's not a new podcast that you can eat.
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Yes, yes. I'm hungry. The technology's not there yet. At the $10 level and above, ah you get line-stepping privileges for our segments, which currently include one to ten of Swords and Every Story Ever.
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At the $15 level, you get naming rights for Gimmick Street, a location on Gimmick Street, just like the one you heard earlier. biscontitus Biscuits Biscuits. Biscuits Biscuits. At $20 and above, you get a t-shirt, our annual t-shirt.
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So... That sounds pretty good to me. yeah All of those things sound pretty good to me, so why don't you head over to patreon.com slash warrocketajax and help us? If your answer is, I can't, I don't have that, you can help us out in other ways.
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You can leave us a five-star review on the podcasting app that you use, whatever that may be, or you can just spread the word about the show, tell your friends and family, talk about it on social media, let people know to listen to the show War Rocket Ajax, and then maybe those people will contribute to our Patreon and help us get to the next funny number, which I think might be a beast.
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The number of the beast. When we get there, that's right. One of us will sacrifice the other to the Dark Lord Satan. Okay, let's not promise anything right now.
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With that, Chris, now that we've thanked our Patreon supporters, let's do some checks and recs.
Personal Anecdotes and Upcoming Events
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What do you say? Let's do it.
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Chris, what would you like to check in with this week? Matt, I had food poisoning. Or maybe norovirus, which sucked. Real bad. yeah It's been bad. It's been ah not fun, and I haven't really done much this week.
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The end. The end, yeah. um I hear you. I am sorry that you've had a bad time. I hope you're on the getting on to the other side of it.
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I believe I am on the other side of it, because right now I'm incredibly hungry, as will be revealed in the interview segment. ah And so close to making a bad food decision.
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But i'm good I'm not going to. going to power through. Matt, what have you been up to? Well, I've been just in bed having a bad time.
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Well, Chris... One thing that I've been up to is ah putting some promotional images on my Instagram for a show I have coming up that people can buy tickets to if they happen to be anywhere around the ah Asheville, North Carolina area on May 9th.
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On May 9th, in a block of shows at 5.30pm Eastern Time, ah I and my team, which includes Marlene and two of our friends, ah will be performing as part of the Asheville Improv Festival as our team Shame Spiral.
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So... um If you live around here or you want to come down at any point or anything like that, um come to the entire Asheville Improv Festival. We have like really cool, really good people coming ah to perform as our headliners. um Mick Napier is coming.
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um Craig and Carla Koukowski are coming. um There's a really great team called Three Pete that's going to be performing at the festival as one of the headliners. And more. Jill Bernard is another one.
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And they're also doing workshops. I'm taking ah workshop with Three Pete, which should be very fun. It's Thursday, Friday, Saturday,
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I think it might be Wednesday through Saturday um that the Asheville Improv Festival is happening, but ah Shame Spiral, the team that I'm performing with, is going to be performing on Friday, might May 9th at 5.30. We're going to be performing at NC Stage here in Asheville. So...
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I know most of the people listening to this ah can't get here for that show, but if you happen to be able to and you're interested, i would highly encourage ah folks to come see me perform along with Marlene and and two of our two of our pals ah where we get in a circle and we're We go in the circle and talk and tell, we ask the audience to tell us about something that they're at one time in their life, they felt shame about not masturbation.
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And, uh, and then we tell some stories based on that suggestion and then do some scenes. So it'll be a fun time.
Product Recommendations and Reviews
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Chris time to make some recommendations. what do you have to recommend?
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Oh, Matt, you know, I've been in bed a lot this week, but you know what else i've been doing? Tell me, let me ask you a question, Matt. You ever glimmer a tech? Have I ever glimmered a tech?
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Is this like gleaming the cube?
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Possibly.
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But it's, you know, like, I've been glimmering a lot of techs this week. Wow. And I gotta say, if you've never glimmered a tech, I would highly recommend it. Well, clue be in. Well, Matt, you can glimmer all kinds of techs.
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New techs that you can glimmer. In the brand new Free... Vampire Survivors DLC, Emerald Diorama.
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I keep an eye out for new Vampire Survivors content, as you know. I'm sure you do, yeah. Yeah, and I was absolutely delighted to see that there was a new ah free expansion ah that adds a new stage, new characters, ah all kinds of good stuff. And one of the things it does is adds a bunch of new weapons, and each weapon, Matt, it lets you glimmer a tech.
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I mean, is there anything that any of us would rather do than glimmer a tech? I think not. I think not. I've been glimmering so many techs, I'm about glimmered out, honestly.
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um I don't know why that's the terminology they've chosen to use. I do like it. I do like it when games just kind of stop making sense while making perfect sense. But yeah, each of these new weapons has a...
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ah like Like an additional weird like super attack, I guess? It says that you can ah that each one can glimmer the whatever tech.
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So each tech has a name. And they all do additional stuff, because that's what was wrong with Vampire Survivors. There wasn't enough stuff you were doing at one time. You weren't doing enough, yeah. yeah i mean, you weren't glimmering any techs.
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That's for dang sure. I played the game, and I didn't glimmer one damn tech. Well, this is free DLC, Matt, and okay and you can certainly glimmer these techs.
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Incredible. Emerald Diorama. Like, i mean, look, I'm basically just telling you this because you might not have this DLC, but ah surely you have Vampire Survivors at this point, right?
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It's five bucks. It's like one of the best games of all time. on mobile, it's free, I think. Yeah, it's... You can... Like... All the DLC is good. It's like $20 to get everything. There's like 400 characters now. It's great. But yeah I love it when ah when they just drop a bunch of free content on any game that I like, particularly this one.
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ah Very, very fun stuff. If you have thought, hey, I love how there's a playable dog in this game, but what if there was a character that was three cats? Good news. Matt, what would you like to recommend for the people?
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Well, Chris, usually when we do our recommendations, we recommend a video game. When we glimmer our tech commendations. When we glimmer our tech commendations, we usually recommend a video game or a movie or a TV show or some piece of entertainment.
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some Some bit of bread and circuses for the masses. All right. Yeah.
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Alright, what are you going to say that's going to make me feel like an asshole this week, Matt? No, I'm not i'm not going to do that. kind Not this time.
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Rarely do we recommend products or like pieces of equipment, but I've been using these for about three months now because I got this pair back in at Christmas and ah ever since I got them I have been kicking myself for not buying better headphones earlier.
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like I primarily got these headphones for the show, like to record the show, to have a pair of cans that are over-the-ear headphones um for podcasting.
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But now I find myself wearing them all the time, like done with earbuds. If I'm going around the house... wearing headphones, working out, whatever situation i'm in where I need a pair of headphones, I'm wearing these.
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And this is not sponsored. They are not a sponsor, but could be. It is 100%. ah hundred percent This is 100% a not a sponsor, but could be situation. um But I bought this pair of Bluetooth noise-canceling headphones. They are the Soundcore Life Q30 headphones by Anker.
00:19:29
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They are so much cheaper than a pair of like you know Beats by Dre's.
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But from what I can tell, pretty well as good. Hilariously, the logo on the side of the headphones just looks like the Beats by Dre logo turned around.
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So like they're kind of like, I don't know, I guess they're kind of like Beats by Dre ripoffs. But in general, like... I, the, these had, they feel good on my head. They don't like get hot the way that my old over the ear headphones did.
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And, um, the noise cancellation, like actually genuinely fucking works. I don't, I don't think I've ever had noise canceling headphones that actually worked before.
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And this will like block out stuff around me, um not in a dangerous way, but like in a comfortable way where I can enjoy what I'm listening to. So if you're looking for a pair headphones, you need some over-the-ear headphones that can be a good set of podcasting cans or just to wear around.
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um Those are pretty good. i I have really been impressed with with these headphones for the price that I paid for them. So that is my recommendation.
00:20:58
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And what brand of noise canceling headphones wouldn't want a longstanding podcast with over 700 episodes to promote their product in exchange for a fair, a reasonable amount of money.
00:21:14
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Yeah. I've, And but look, Anchor, we'll promote your other stuff, too. I've got your like battery phone chargers. say one more product, Matt. and Until the check clears, do not say one more thing.
00:21:29
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With that, Chris, it's time to talk about some comics. What do you say? Let's Glimmer It.
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There was not a Texture's Choice winner this week. There kind of was Benito did text us about yes got a comic that we all read.
00:21:47
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This was not a comic that we texted about, but Benito texted us about this comic. and Benito's observation was right on the money. um so okay Let's start with it. It's the Summer of Superman special that sort of sets the tone for what Superman is going to be going forward This summer as part of All In.
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DC's All In initiative.
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It has all three writers from the upcoming Superman books.
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All on one story. Which initially made me think that they were going to do the Spider-Man brain trust for Superman. Which I think would be a great idea.
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But it doesn't seem like what they're doing. Because all three of these writers are now just... going to be going to split off onto their own books. But it's Mark Waid, Dan Slott, and Joshua Williamson. The art on the issue is by Jorge Jimenez, so it looks fucking great.
00:22:53
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Yeah, it's beautiful. And then there's one last story by Dan Mora, an epilogue piece by Dan Mora that also looks fucking great, because Dan Mora's great as well.
00:23:06
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What Benito said in his text, which is correct, Is that everybody has superpowers now. Buddy, you ain't kidding. Which isn't – I mean, look.
00:23:22
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To be fair, the everybody in question essentially is just Lois and Lana. Because the other characters in the book are like fucking steel. Yeah. ah yes Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:23:34
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Yeah, Steele's had superpowers. Steele's had that suit since 1994. Right. that That's nothing new for Steele. That's true. But Lois, Lana, but stephen Natasha Irons is in this.
00:23:47
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Yeah. A lot of people with superpowers. Well, ah that is because – so the way that this book is – structured, is there three chapters, and it's essentially chapter one is the past, chapter two is the present, and chapter three is the future.
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And so, chapter one is all about Superman remembering, or Clark, remembering how he used to be in love with Lana Lang. But then he saw a vision of the future where he wasn't married to her, and that messed up his head.
00:24:18
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Because he's a kid. Which I actually, like, I really i really like that. Because, you know, he talks about like, oh, I was sure, you know, I was so in love with her, I was sure we were going to be together forever.
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And then he sees the future and sees himself with Lois, and he's like, fuck. Yeah. ah I mean, he doesn't say that. He's Superman, but. Chapter two is about Lana's wedding, and who she's getting married to is Steel, John Henry Irons.
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Yes, which ah is an interesting pairing, and I'm not current on any of the Superman books. ah even though I know we've read the the start of Joshua Williamson's run and really enjoyed it. A lot of Jimmy Olsen content, which is how I measure the quality of a Superman book.
00:25:04
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But yeah, I was unaware that that was a romance, and that's very intriguing to me. And then chapter three is more about sort of the prospect of what the future could be.
00:25:16
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Throughout the issue, there are attacks by... Validus. Validus. You don't know about Validus, Matt. That's fine.
00:25:27
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i've I... i know so I think I've seen Validus before. youre You're not a man of the Legion as I am I'm not a man of the Legion like you, yeah. but so So Validus is from the future. Yes.
00:25:40
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He keeps coming back and attacking Clark and Superman at specific points in time where he's very confused as to why these are the specific times that Validus is making these attacks.
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And so in Chapter 3, they just try to bring Validus to the present to like ask him, what are you doing? why are you Why are you choosing these times?
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But then Validus is like afraid and escapes, which leads into an epilogue where a group of villains who are wearing Omega symbols have kidnapped Booster Gold.
00:26:23
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Which is pretty interesting.
00:26:27
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Yeah, man. odd Validus is an interesting choice for this, because Validus isn't just from the future. He's secretly from the future of the future. the he's Even the Legion of Superheroes would be like, he's from the future.
00:26:42
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yeah And I don't want to get into the rest of... Of Validus' origin story, because it's whack, honestly. But, all yeah, like, to have ah character who's essentially a double time travel character be the sort of through-line of this is very interesting, and I think, you know...
00:27:04
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I was unsurprised that we get Booster Gold, another double time travel character, yeah at the end of this. so ah interesting Interesting. i i mean I like everybody involved in this book.
00:27:21
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ah you know Mark Waid, Dan Slott, Josh Williamson, Jimenez, Dan Mora. um like everybody. so I'm intrigued to see where the Superman books go from here.
00:27:36
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Yeah. I mean, it seems like the the three books are going to be structured as a sort of past, present, future lens of Superman.
00:27:49
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Like action comics will kind of be the past. Superman will kind of be the president and Superman unlimited will kind of be the future, but I don't know. Yeah. We'll see where it goes and how it ends up. Um,
00:28:01
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What I really liked about the Josh Williamson run on Superman, and it looks like it's going to kind of continue, but with Dan Mora doing the art, is Superman ought to be fun.
00:28:12
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And that comic was fun. Yes. And this seems to continue that tone. i will i will say this. I'm interested in seeing what action comics and Superman and Superman unlimited are like going forward. That's who's involved in this book.
00:28:30
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Those are the Superman books. I'm least excited about coming up because that Sophie Campbell, Supergirl book is gonna whip. And there's a Ryan North crypto book with art by Mike Norton.
00:28:43
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That is also gonna whip. Exciting. Yeah, man. Uh, The next book we're going to talk about is Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles number eight, ah which continues the story where basically all of New York City is up against the Turtles.
00:29:05
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It's literally called TMNT versus MYC. Yeah. um Particularly the like district attorney who's coming after them. And this issue is largely focused on Donatello, who, for a while now, has been going through it.
00:29:26
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I like this book a lot. like I think it's really good and really compelling, um and does a great job of kind of like picking up the TMNT stuff where the the previous run left off.
00:29:39
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It's a little extremely depressing. At this point, it's a of a TMNT book. Well, I really did appreciate, though, that by the end of the issue, because like the other three turtles are like, what is going on with Donnie? We are so worried about him.
00:30:02
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He's like losing weight and getting gaunt and giving the food he has away to this dead rat. And like like he's absolutely lost it.
00:30:19
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But Leonardo, who actually confronts Donatello around the middle of the issue and like tries to understand where he's coming from, by the end of this, he comes to the realization that Donatello's been right the whole time.
00:30:40
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And I kind of love that.
00:30:43
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Yeah. yeah it's it's Yeah. It's very weird that Donatello has been right this whole time, specifically about how this dead rat that he's been carrying around for several days is Splinter.
00:30:59
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Is Splinter, yeah. um And the Splinter's ghost is talking to him, which makes sense. Yeah. Like, it's TMNT, baby. Magic exists.
00:31:10
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Like, these turtles are the literal reincarnations of the Hamato brothers. Like, it's not the weirdest shit that's happened to them yeah for ghosts to be real.
00:31:23
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yeah ah But yeah, man. so Some wild stuff going on, particularly for Donatello. yeah ah Jason Aaron is writing.
00:31:37
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ah Juan Ferreira is on art, and I know we did this last time we talked about this book, but holy shit, Juan Ferreira. Yeah, amazing art. Truly amazing art.
00:31:48
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Especially given that the the kind of like, not jam artist, but like each of the first four issues was drawn by a a different person, and it was like Joel Jones and Raphael Albuquerque. Yeah.
00:32:01
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like so This art stands up to that. Like, and it's every bit as good, which is wild. It's so good.
00:32:13
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Truly incredible stuff. There's a very brief scene with Bebop and Rocksteady in this, and Juan Ferreira's take on Bebop is so good.
00:32:25
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He's got, like, button chops. Yeah, man. He's great. I love those two. Yeah. I love those two dorks. stuff.
00:32:35
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Matt, are you a Bebop? Which of us is the Bebop and which of us is the Rocksteady? Shit, man.
00:32:48
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I don't know. i don't know. Maybe it switches. Could be. We contain multitudes. yeah ah Finally, I wanted to talk quickly about ah Superior Avengers number one.
00:33:03
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um which is part of One World Under Doom, ah the ongoing One World Under Doom story. um This is by Steve Fox, with art by mostly by Luca Maresca.
00:33:20
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um One page in the issue is drawn by Kyle Hotz.
00:33:26
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And... I think, with like with some of the other One World Under Doom stuff, I certainly had a feeling that maybe I knew exactly what I was getting into coming into this.
00:33:42
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Because we've had the Dark Avengers before, right? Yes. so So I definitely had the feeling of, okay, this is going to be characters we know and have seen before.
00:33:56
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In different costumes. And they're going to be Doom's. Avengers team. Instead of Norman Osborn's Avengers team.
00:34:08
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This is pretty different though.
00:34:11
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Because. What we find out. Is that. ah Speaking of Brian Michael Bendis. Dark Avengers. I'm talking about Dark Avengers. But this is a different thing.
00:34:24
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Where. It is Doctor Doom's Avengers team, but they're all people that his adopted son, Kristoff, have brought to the present from the future, talking about characters from the future, to assemble into Doom's Avengers team to, um you know...
00:34:51
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keep Doom's peace that he's developed. So it's say version of all these characters that we've never seen before who I assume that we're going to find out who they are. So it's a version of Killmonger, who's a woman.
00:35:07
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A version of Dr. Octopus, who's a woman. A version of Onslaught, whose head is a skull.
00:35:15
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Malekith, who I guess is just Malekith. word But a future version of Malekith. um Ghost. And then ah a character who is called Abomination, but doesn't really seem to be the Hulk's Abomination.
00:35:34
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He's just got like kind of Doctor Doom looking armor on. Okay. So I don't really know. You know, we will find out more about who these characters are. But like the first issue of Thunderbolts, this ends with a twist.
00:35:51
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Where they're, quote-unquote, working for Doom, but their actual goal is to bring Doom down from the inside because they hate what he's done in the future.
00:36:02
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Okay. So, like,
00:36:08
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one of the big things about One World Under Doom so far is, like, so what is he doing that's actually bad? Right? it's It's very much the Dan Jurgens Thor issue of, like,
00:36:21
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Okay, he's killing Nazis and creating world peace.
00:36:27
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So is that actually that bad? But this is definitely getting at the notion that, yes, Doom is doing active harm. Because the first person they bring from the future is an older version of Amadeus Cho.
00:36:45
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who The very first thing he says is he he like looks at who he's looking at he goes... Who's that? Is that Dr. Doom? Fuck you.
00:36:56
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i do I do love my boy on the day of show. Yeah. So it is a different kind of dynamic than Dark Avengers was.
00:37:10
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And so i' i'm I'm curious as to what we'll see, what we'll learn about this team and Kind of what their end goals are and how they'll try to achieve it.
00:37:23
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So, call me curious about Superior Avengers. And that does it for our comics review segment, Chris, which means it's time to talk to our guests, who are Brian Michael Bendis, Sue Lee, Patton Oswalt, and Jordan Bloom.
00:37:41
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Matt, let's glimmer that talk.
00:38:04
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Joining us for the program this week, we have an a truly incredible array of talent. I think the most people that we have had on the show at one time ever in 720 episodes.
00:38:16
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They all are the creators of Welcome to Twilight from the World of Minor Threats. ah We have, of course, Jordan Bloom and Patton Oswalt, friends of the show, returning.
00:38:30
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We also have Sue Lee and Brian Michael Bendis. Everyone, welcome to the show. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you. Yay, thank you. for having us, man. Thank you. Yeah, great to be back. going to be friend of the show. Sorry.
00:38:45
Speaker
Too early. So, specifically, just to just to make it totally clear... Patton and Jordan, you guys, you're the Minor Threats guys. You've been doing all the Minor Threats books from the get-go.
00:38:59
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And Brian and Sue, you're specifically doing Welcome to Twilight number two yep in the anthology this anthology book that's all set in the Minor Threats universe.
00:39:14
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Yes. Correct. I want to make sure we're sending people to the right issue to get you to. Although, although everybody should. I don't mind they buy every minor threats thing they can get their hands Of course. Including the first version of this series, which is by Matt Fraction and Mike Allred, dear old friends of mine. And they did an amazing job on that issue. So ah the whole, the whole project is yummy.
00:39:41
Speaker
That actually leads me into a question about but now that I have read issue one and issue two. Issue one is very much a in the from the world of minor threats kind of story, where it's characters who live in this world, but otherwise we don't really – we've never really seen before.
00:40:04
Speaker
And it is also ah wild ride, let me tell you. um But then – Issue 2 is far closer to home in terms of the characters that we know from Minor minor Threats. Playtime is in this, um and it's it's about people who are close to her.
00:40:24
Speaker
And so i it got me wondering about kind of like the original idea for this as an anthology series, like what the guardrails were or if the notion was just...
00:40:38
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get really talented creators and set them loose. Well, we gave everyone sort of an option, I think, of like what excites you and what's the best thing that leans into your voices and and and how you want to play in the in the sandbox. So, you know, we had prompts that I don't think anyone used and then everyone came with really cool ideas that excited us and we got to be the readers of of these issues. But we kind of said, you know, you can use the characters that exist or do your own thing –
00:41:10
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I think this issue is a real kind of cool combo of both. Yeah, I felt, this is Brian, I felt a little ah nervy because I was the one going, oh, can i do a whole thing about Frankie's past? And, you know, ah kind of just wasn't sure if how far we were um being allowed to take things. And they they they kicked the door wide open said, go for it. It was very, very cool.
00:41:34
Speaker
um I was actually very excited that they were so into it. at the same time feeling, and I did describe this to them, that having been where they're standing with their with their book, they're still at early goings. Like, I know year three of Minor Threats is going to be crazy. going to be, like, you know, but I just know that from world building, right?
00:41:56
Speaker
So I didn't want to do anything that would step on you know, where, where they might be headed. But at the same time, I we i definitely wanted to, uh, if we were doing this, put a toy in the toy box, no pun intended to really make sure, um that we were being additive. And so I was, uh, grateful that they were totally into it.
00:42:16
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They were totally into it all the way through. And, uh, yeah, that's what I wanted to do. I'm really happy about it. I was honestly a little bit, Me
00:42:31
Speaker
at the very end that said that the one of the new characters that you introduce here is going to be back
00:42:40
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How did you react to that, Jordan and Patton, as far as like having that new toy in the toy box? but Was it kind of like, oh, now how do we fit this in? Or was it like, this is so cool to have this new character that we get to that we get to use?
00:42:55
Speaker
Well, I love creating the sensation. that the characters in the book feel, which is you're living in this world where there are a constant new realms and dimensions opening up. If you live in a world of superheroes, of magic, of super science, you kind of get used to that. I don't think you ever lose the wonder, ah but that becomes a part of your reality. So...
00:43:18
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The fact that we as the creators were just as surprised and just as taken off balance, I think ah just feeds even more into the work that we're going to be doing down the line.
00:43:29
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i I loved it. I absolutely loved it. Yeah, we've kind of tried to, you know, we we have obviously places we're taking Frankie and her story and some stuff mapped out, but we've tried to kind of play jazz with with the universe in that, like, you know, Tim Seeley will add this character that changes this. Yeah.
00:43:50
Speaker
A different character will show up in Barfly and, you know, we connect them with certain characters like the searcher and and and they all sort of feed off each other. Like I think we just wanted it to feel open and that we could pivot and change things. And then we read this story and we're like, we know exactly how to bring this character back. And we have a big story plan and she she works perfectly for this. We were so excited to have, like Brian said, a new toy to play with that we're like of course we want to crack at her.
00:44:15
Speaker
I think in the same way that i think Brian was was having fun with Frankie. yeah And that's such a good way to put it. Like we're playing jazz with this world. And and by playing jazz, I mean Jordan and I want to do a lot of heroin and become famous in France. yeah So, yeah you know, if if we can pull that off, then that's great.
00:44:33
Speaker
Oh, I thought you wanted Ryan Gosling to come over and yell at you about it. Well, I'd like him to come over and explain it That's what I'd really love. um Or I'd like to have him come and explain it to a black person. yeah And that's really the point of that movie. Right.
00:44:49
Speaker
I mean, as as as as Santa Claus famously said, it moves to the beat of jazz.
00:44:57
Speaker
Sue, I want to ask you about your experience here, because you know you're coming into a superhero universe where... ah A lot of the world is already designed. A lot of the kind of visual language of the book is is already there for you to use.
00:45:17
Speaker
But there's also a lot in here that I think clearly you're responsible for, that you got to kind of choose to look for in design.
00:45:29
Speaker
How much did you feel like you were...
00:45:33
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Not constrained, but like that you needed to fit a mold of this world? or Or did you feel like you could just kind of really go wild with the with what you were designing in here?
00:45:46
Speaker
Yeah, so, I mean, when they came to us with the idea, first of all, I'm a huge fan of all of these wonderful people in the team, you know? Like, I'm such a big fan of Scott's work, and when he drew my character in a cover, I, like, screamed, you know? it it was yeah incredible.
00:46:06
Speaker
And like Jordan and Patton are like superstars. Bendis is a legend, you know, i mean, and then to follow up a story that, you know, Mike, I mean, I've, I've read X-Force, one of the first, like, you know, mainstream comics I read and it's just like, and Matt too. Right. So I'm here as like a huge fan, you know, and to finally be like, Oh my God.
00:46:30
Speaker
what's happening? yeah You know, I'm like, this is bizarre. It's crazy. um And then also when they're like, literally do anything, that's tough, right? Because you you're not, there's no limits. And when there's no limits, you kind of like, okay, I have like a million thoughts. I don't know which one is good.
00:46:49
Speaker
But then Brian was very smart about it and like reeled in the idea of what what I came up with and then what he did. was to connect the story together, which I was like, oh no, this is perfect. Because like, you know, part of me is like, excellent. We get to like inject Dokebi into this universe forever, you know?
00:47:08
Speaker
But then also like, it actually just does make sense to the characters and, you know, the story and her backstory. And so i was like, no, this this works. And... To that also I said, if I get to draw anything, I'm going to draw something that I always loved doing. Like, I want to draw Asian characters. I want to draw, you know, the Chinatown. I want to draw something that's like very um anime, right? And it doesn't it make sense? Like, in the world of Minor Threats, like, we need an anime area, an arena, right? Like,
00:47:42
Speaker
And to have those kinds of characters and like Brian heard me say this but earlier but like you know when we were at the San Diego pen ah Comic Con panel and Jordan you said that like your son saw my character and said I want to I don't know what that is but I want to read it like that's exactly the reaction I want to get from people you know.
00:48:02
Speaker
Like, how can we stand out? I mean, Brian wrote a really great story. Now I have to step it up, right? So what can I do to make sure that, you know, everyone's story is great, but I i wanted us to stick out a lot. And so I figured, okay, let's do the...
00:48:18
Speaker
the most coolest and insane looking characters and bring it to life. And I think I did a decent job at it. So, you know, I wanted to make sure that it makes sense to the universe, but also, you know, definitely show that it's our own thing.
00:48:37
Speaker
i think you're absolutely right to say that about your own work, because it is really great and incredibly thank you visually compelling. Yep.
00:48:48
Speaker
Two things I want to point out, or I want to specifically state, maybe kind of flip out. One, page two, two-page spread, giant crab.
00:49:00
Speaker
Love it. And that's actually shout-out to one of the other stories. I yeah deliberately used that thing because I was like, oh, yeah, how what's a one way I can bring it to the other stories? Yeah.
00:49:16
Speaker
and boilers And two, um i i it's cool for me to say the character's name, yeah? ah Dakaibi?
00:49:27
Speaker
Is that how it's pronounced? Tokebi. Thank you. yes um Her weapon is so rad. It's it's like a a spiky bat, but also kind of like a morning star. Like, did you have any particular inspiration for that?
00:49:47
Speaker
It's a Kanabo. It's like a Japanese medieval weapon. But I, I was like, let's make it anime and bigger. And, and so, you know, it's like, it is a Japanese version of a morning star. Pretty much. It's a real weapon. I just made it, you know, cooler.
00:50:02
Speaker
yeah It's very cool. Listen, Matt, you should, you, knowing me, you could have just asked and I would have told you, Oh, that's a Kanabo. I'm sure you could have told me, yeah. And if there's one thing that we love on this show, it's anime weapons that are larger than normal weapons of that kind are. You have to. Yeah, absolutely.
00:50:23
Speaker
I mean, look, the first thing that it does is go through a guy, and if you want to introduce a weapon... That's it. That's how it's done. It's pretty rad.
00:50:35
Speaker
it's It's interesting to me that you mentioned being such a fan of all the other people who've worked on oh Minor Threats. And i don't I don't know if any of you are fans of country music, but there' you know there's that that saying that like you know when George Jones sings a song, it stays sung.
00:50:55
Speaker
And so I was really wondering, Brian, specifically, like, were you intimidated? Because when... Whatever the rest of the question is, yes. Oh, come on. When the Atomics universe has been Kyle Starks...
00:51:11
Speaker
i um ah Well, yeah yeah yes, on a numerous levels. Number one, i made a personal choice to myself to only do certain kinds of books that that spoke to me in a certain way, but ah but at the same time, leaving my heart and mind open to opportunities when they come.
00:51:33
Speaker
So when this was offered, I was very... I'm flattered and delighted. i love this book, and i love specifically ah Jordan and Patton's collaboration and the energy they have amongst each other.
00:51:49
Speaker
i celebrate that wholeheartedly, and so and i could see and that they were doing this, how I would perceive it to be the absolute right way to build something like this.
00:52:01
Speaker
And so I was just cheering them on as a fellow Dark Horse creator and just very, very excited about it. So he was very excited to be part of it. And then they told me who we will be with, ah my my dear friend Matt Fraction and ah Mike Allred, who I grew up with.
00:52:18
Speaker
um And so I was like, OK, so that's great. So I don't have to worry about it being the best one because the best one's already been cast. So we just have to not screw up. So I was so the the and was also like Sue. I was I was really digging Sue's work and really loving.
00:52:38
Speaker
her line art and where she was coming from. and I just got real excited about her stuff. And she knew this because we had already i hired her to do some varying covers for Jinx World. And when the opportunity came to do this, I couldn't help think, i wonder if Sue and I would make good comics together with that feeling that we would.
00:52:56
Speaker
And so when this opportunity came and then everyone was on board with Sue being part of it, it it got very exciting. Like, oh, I would totally buy this book. That's always my... my personal thing. Would I buy this? And i would totally buy, I've bought everything Sue's drawn. So yes, I, I've,
00:53:15
Speaker
bought everything Jordan and Patton had written, so yes. So I got very excited about just being part of it. And then also, what can I add to this situation and that was both positive and something they would not have come up with immediately on their own, but doesn't derail what they're already building.
00:53:34
Speaker
So it was all of these things. It was all all good challenges. like None of it was like, oh no, what do I do? It was like, oh, what a what a great puzzle to be doing And boy, have I been living a life that and like led up to, well, you should be able to do this by now.
00:53:52
Speaker
and and but But it was a big, big challenge, and I really, really, really loved it. it's It's so funny because it's like a snake eating itself. It's like how many times – did we talk about powers and alias while we were coming up with minor threats? Oh, my god. It's so weird. And how much it influenced that. and you know I mean I think b Brian is the only other person in the world who thought about Armadillo's real life as much as we
00:54:20
Speaker
You know what, man? I worked so hard on that armadillo stuff and it felt like one of those things that like, oh, nobody cared about this. So thank you for bringing that up. Brian, I really do. I really work hard on it.
00:54:31
Speaker
Thank you. So I – yeah. So i I appreciate you saying that about Powers. um But like because we've been doing Powers, I do know – the all the things that could work or could not work and watching you guys build this the right way it just i got very excited but that was another challenge for me ah to bring something that wasn't powers ah you know what i mean like don't like don't bring a jessica jones into this it was bring something right new so uh so that was another thing i wanted to do is not
00:55:04
Speaker
The whole point of this chapter in my life is trying not to repeat myself while at the same time, you know, having fun. And so this um opportunity let me do that.
00:55:16
Speaker
You're talking to two podcasters who have a particular abiding love for Armadillo as well. so guys ah listen That was one of those things where, Sue, if you don't know this, i I started having Armadillo guest star in every single book I was doing. Every time ah you needed a villain for someone just to punch for a page, it was Armadillo.
00:55:39
Speaker
And then it was all built up to a Jessica Jones store where you find out like all of that was for real for, for a reason for a character. And it was like this big payoff that God bless Jordan got it. mean, we put, we put Armadillo in, uh, in MODOK. We loved him so much. oh God bless. That's amazing. yeah ah If there's, if there's one thing that we can come together and love, it's anyone who was featured prominently in the Mark Grunewald Captain America run.
00:56:11
Speaker
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's very interesting to hear you talk about how this phase of your career is is about not repeating yourself, Brian. Because like I can't think of anyone who has like done it all more than you.
00:56:31
Speaker
reading your stuff before Ultimate Spider-Man even. think Torso. reading your stuff before ultimate spiderman even like ah i think i read a torso ah Right around the time that it was released in paperback. So, thank you know, watching the next two and a half decades, it's like, well, well, you, you, you, you recreated Spider-Man twice.
00:56:58
Speaker
ah and And did Superman and and did the Avengers at the time when, you know, you were the guy on Avengers when the Avengers became the flagship team at Marvel Comics. And to the point where it's so hard to explain to younger readers that like, yeah, the Avengers weren't that big a deal until, until say, 2005 or so.
00:57:22
Speaker
Yeah, as an X-Men fan, it's exhausting. yeah i But yeah, like i it's do you like when you look at a book like Reiner Threats, which is which is all about kind of you know taking these superhero ah you know the language of superhero comics and the way that it's all put together and the way that these characters kind of have to relate via the the tropes of the genre, like...
00:57:51
Speaker
is it difficult for you to be like, well, I've done a lot of stories with this bent? yeah Yes and no, because, you know, ah though there, there's certainly similarities in a fully birthed, unique, mature superhero universe, like powers or minor threats or black hammer, where there, there's, there's something being built around a um kind of a communal knowledge of a genre ah You're kind of like leaning into an audience knows certain things or or they have a knowledge enough to enjoy what you're doing.
00:58:26
Speaker
But you need like a very to to have that universe work. ah You have to have like a ah very, very strong point of view that's different than what you can get elsewhere.
00:58:38
Speaker
And for powers, it was very easy because we start with them being dead. So that's something that, you know, Marvel and DC can't do on a daily basis is kill Captain America and and enjoy that for a while um and and stay dead kind of thing. Right. And so, so what minor threats brought is this completely unique point of view because we're, we're, we're with Frankie and it's with Frankie's point of view of this world and what's been built around her and what's happened to her and what she's going to do with the next and all through,
00:59:07
Speaker
ah Jordan and Patton's voice and Scott's voice. It just, it just, it's a very specific, um, take on all of it. Right. And so that makes it, that's the, that's the fun part. That's when it doesn't become, um, like, Oh, they've already done the hard part.
00:59:26
Speaker
They've already come up with a unique take. All we have to do is, uh, is yes. And it into something special. and when And the only thing that's similar to working at Marvel or DC is that um sometimes it can it can feel like you're cheating a little bit because when you're writing Spider-Man, it comes with great power, comes great responsibility. You're like, oh, that's the hard the hardest thing to do is come up with a theme.
00:59:51
Speaker
And it comes with a bulletproof theme. Have fun, right? And as a writer, in your heart, you're like, I'm cheating. the the hard part but and The same thing here where like what would be really difficult to build they've already built so we can kind of have fun with what's already been built so I get um excited about that more than intimidated by that part.
01:00:15
Speaker
And I feel like what sparked us to the story is like you were saying, we you know Brian has written ah hundreds, thousands – I don't know how many comics, each superhero comics you've written, but I have never seen a story where two teen girl supervillains meet. bond over their their ah similarities and differences, go on a crime spree, and then reunite later. Like, again, it felt so fresh and unique, but classically in the world of of of minor threats and superheroes and supervillains. And then, you know, Sue's designs and and her new characters and and her settings and and expansion of the world. Like, it just felt like this this completely fresh thing, and yet perfectly, you know, within within what we've established. Yeah.
01:01:00
Speaker
That leads me to another question for you, Sue, about the flashback element of this book. um Because you're credited as art, so you did the colors as well, yeah?
01:01:12
Speaker
Yes. Okay. She fully co-created every brand new thing. but's ah She designed this character, she named the character, like it it came right out of her notebook. I can't um stress that enough. how how how ah She did a lot of the hard the hardest parts.
01:01:28
Speaker
Oh, gosh. Well, I'm always fascinated by, comics, the way that another time period or another universe or something that's not the main time and place itself.
01:01:46
Speaker
of the rest of the book is depicted visually and how you can instantly tell that we are in another time and place just by the visuals.
01:01:57
Speaker
And I think the flashbacks in this really, really pull that off. Through ah you know the way that characters look, but also through the the kind of more washed out colors and and just you know a very distinct look from the present day parts of the book.
01:02:17
Speaker
So I'm just interested to hear you talk about how... You pulled that off, how you decided that that was kind of going to be the visual look of the flashback. Yeah, um so flashbacks are notorious notoriously like one of the easiest or one of the hardest things to draw. Because um I learned from Klaus Janssen when I was...
01:02:40
Speaker
uh, studying cartooning. um and he said that like, he said, you can't rely on board, like the, you know, the, the warped borders to make it seem like it's like a, a dream sequence or whatever. He said, don't rely on that.
01:02:56
Speaker
And you have to tell, you have to make sure that it, you're telling the right story that it's the past. Don't rely just on the colors. Don't rely on like wobbly borders. That's just cheating in the bad way.
01:03:07
Speaker
and that made me think a lot about it. And he's right. Um, because like I could, I could literally draw the same costumes and just do like a sapient tone, like in a movie and just be like, yeah, this flashback. Right. But It wouldn't be genuine, right? It's not real.
01:03:24
Speaker
um And I wanted to make sure that the flashback is just as important as the current story that being told within the book. Because, of you know, their past means something. It means a lot, actually, right?
01:03:36
Speaker
And I wanted to make sure that, like, the costume's different, you know. um i added, yeah, sure, I definitely relied on the color for sure. um I used a yellowish tone because um every colors that I use ah for a scene is is like movie ah thematic for me. So it's like if it's an action scene, it's like red or bright or, you know, punchy.
01:03:59
Speaker
um If it's a flashback scene, I used yellows for the tones because I wanted it to be because yellow is the color of friendship. Right. So I wanted to make sure you have that feeling of safety and like, you know, that warmth, right. When, um, but even though they're doing like such like crazy shit in those scenes, right.
01:04:18
Speaker
Um, I wanted to be like, they're, they're bonding and they're having a nice, you know, ah girly moment, right. They're just, it's just as girly as having fun. And so I wanted to make sure you got that feeling with it. Um, and so, I mean, and then, you know, and I actually did look at, um,
01:04:34
Speaker
the ah the original Minor Threats story a lot. I went through the style that Scott was drawing in. Not that I was copying him, but I wanted to make sure that it was, ah like, you could tell it's set in Minor Threats.
01:04:46
Speaker
And I looked at the colors, right? And I noticed that there's, like, a lot of these, there's, like, a texture being used. like i can I can tell. And i was like, oh, you know what? I'll do that for my flashback. I'll make it look like a comic book. You know, like when when there's like a little fuzzy grain on the under paper to make it look like it's... it's being printed on the construction paper back in the day.
01:05:07
Speaker
I wanted to give that feeling too, you know, so that when you're, you know, so present day, it's super saturated, it's very, you know, bright colors. And in the flashback, I wanted it to be nostalgic, not even just the texture to look like you're looking at an older comic book.
01:05:24
Speaker
I wanted to make sure that the colors ah represent what you're supposed to be feeling in that scene, if that makes sense. oh Oh, absolutely. Sue, I want to tell you this. ill this um There's a movie from my childhood called Visions of Light. It's a documentary about cinematography. and I love that documentary.
01:05:45
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So Pat, you know what I'm talking about. The cinematographer, The Last Emperor, talks about color as storytelling elements exactly the way you do, Sue. Oh my God. he goes I nailed it. I'll send you the clip. It's on YouTube. he goes please He literally talks it through as if what he's saying is um absolute fact. He goes, green means this and red means this. and like yeah like like Everyone knows this. Everyone has the color code.
01:06:13
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um and And so um this is my absolute favorite kind of c color theory storytelling. yeah It is why I work with Dave Stewart and Matt Hollingsworth and all these amazing colorists so often because they live by this. this So you are. Oh, I love Dave Stewart. um Yeah, you you are you are in my color theory love language. This is just everything I love about storytelling and color is what you just described.
01:06:38
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Brian, I'm going to cry. Yeah. I'll send you this movie. You will love this movie. Yeah, no, I love color theory. i love cinematography. i take that stuff very seriously. So, you know, flashbacks are difficult, but I think um I didn't want to be cheap about it. You know, I wanted to make sure that you're getting the full effect of what's happening.
01:06:58
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Yeah, Pat Patton, I saw Visions of Light in a movie theater and I was working in film noir. I just started Goldfish. I didn't, I hadn't wrapped my head head around some things yet.
01:07:10
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And there's a whole ah sequence in that movie about John Alton. The John Alton section, I ran out and bought Painting with Light after I saw that. at the new I watched that movie at the New Beverly and I didn't mean to cut you up but John Alton, when I see that name, oh my god.
01:07:27
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yeah Go ahead. Sorry. So we're on the same page here. I literally stood up in the movie theater like it was a revival. well Yeah. Yes! I was like – I couldn't find the words to describe what they were saying. I think there's that quote where he says, don't be afraid of the shadows. Be afraid of the light. I'm oh my god, that's it.
01:07:46
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That's my life. It was amazing. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, go go re-watch the big combo for T-Men. T-Men, in see the stuff that T-Men is like ah is like the the rough draft for Sin City in terms of just extreme dark and extreme light. It's incredible.
01:08:05
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You will see every shot of that movie stolen in my graphic novel torso. yeah
01:08:14
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Proud. Steal from the greats, right? Yep. Absolutely. Mm-hmm. Well, ah with that piece of advice, I think it is time for us to open up the floor to our listeners for some of their questions.
01:08:27
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And Matt, if ah the people want to get in on these conversations that we have here on the show with people like Jordan, Patton, Sue, and Brian, how exactly can they go about that? Well, Chris, there are two places that you can go to ask questions of our guests here on War Rocket Ajax. The first is to follow us on Blue Sky.
01:08:46
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We are at warrocketajax.com on Blue Sky. Or you can join our Discord and go to the listener questions channel there to ask questions that we try to read out as many as we can on the show.
01:09:01
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um We have far too many to read out on the show this time, but we will do the best we can. I think we can do it. Come on, let's go. um Our first question is from Ultimate Nick, who wants to know, should the thing, Benjamin J. Grimm, have teeth?
01:09:22
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Yes. Yeah. Oh, thank you, Brian. Yeah, I mean, teeth, whatever, Kazakh rays changed his skin. It didn't change his bones. I mean, so it wouldn't change his teeth. It also clearly didn't change his eyes. It only, it basically changed the skin and gave him, you know, more, actually, no, it did change his bones because he has super strength. But no, why would it change his teeth?
01:09:46
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It's so funny. I'm a Jewish comic creator, and a lot of times people ask me if I think he's been circumcised.
01:09:54
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Well, if he wasn't, it's too late now. yeah
01:10:00
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they got it it kind of They got to hire a street crew to be the moil. but What's interesting, though, is that a lot of the Kirby drawings of the thing, he doesn't have visible teeth.
01:10:15
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So I think, I think that is part of like the debate, um, is that are people honoring Kirby if they give the thing teeth, but was that the, um, touchy question you were going to ask me before? No, no. I'm trying to gauge the levels here. that's No, he knew you were going to talk about the circumcision. That's why. Yeah. Uh,
01:10:40
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ah Our next question, I think, is specifically for Jordan and Patton. It's for it's from FrankieMon555 on our Discord. Will Jughead's Time Police feature in the Archie Minor Threats crossover? I double this question. This is...
01:10:59
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a um Maybe now we're in the middle of writing. We can we can add anything we want. We'll take requests. No, that's not a good way to write comics. um yeah I will say you're not even going to be thinking about that because the team up is going to be Jughead, Shiteater, and then Shiteater and um Josie and the Pussycats have a ah show to play together. Oh my god.
01:11:24
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Incredible. yeah That's awesome. Their plates are full. ah Yes, definitely. So Jughead's Time Police will have to come in part two. Wait, I want to draw Joe Santa Pussycat's cover for you guys then. Can I do a variant? Yes. Let's talk after this. 100%. We're making deals on the show. i love it.
01:11:46
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Now, am I correct that this is the Dan DiCarlo Archie and not the Riverdale TV show Archie? Oh yeah, it's classic, classic Archie. Yes, yes, yes. This is not dark Archie.
01:11:57
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Dark Archie. okay This isn't, I'm sorry, this isn't Dark-Chi. Yeah, Dark-Chi. I'm going to hop off this, I'm sorry guys. Jordan, if you needed someone to just give you a rundown of the most obscure Archie characters, like you've got you've got my number, bud. Alright, let's talk. We've got some discussion. Let's get Cricket Odell in there. Alright.
01:12:25
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Here's a question from our good friend, Ben, Franz Ferdinand, too, on Blue Sky, who wants, I guess, all of us to give our opinion of who is the best Looney Tune.
01:12:38
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Ooh. Oh, boy. I'm going do a quick Google. Yeah, yeah. ah Marvin the Martian pounced, right? Yeah. Oh, he's good.
01:12:51
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yeah I think I'm ah Marvin the Martian. That's where my brain went. I'm Wile E. Coyote. Wow. I could see that. That would be top five for me. Wile E. Coyote, the the ultimate um victim.
01:13:09
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She teaches us a lot about ourselves, Matt. Yes, yes. Patton, what's your favorite Looney Tunes character? oh my god And have you voiced one?
01:13:21
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No, I never voiced one. mean, there's there's no – I mean, Looney Tunes is – you've got to find someone who can you know do with the stuff that Mel Blank did. I mean – my God.
01:13:35
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I'm just trying to – I mean, Daffy Duck, just because it's it's like what if Bugs Bunny wasn't cool? Yeah. Yeah. know But also, like, some of their little side characters that are only there for a couple of episodes, like Witchy Poo ah and that that we Pete Puma.
01:13:56
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I think he's only in one. ah Just, like, stuff like that. Like, even a character that's only in one cartoon, they would give him so much life.
01:14:06
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Oh, for sure. Are we doing Space Jam universe as well? Space Jam would count. Hell yeah. And then Lola Bunny. Lola Bunny. oh Great. Awesome.
01:14:17
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ah Chris? ah Well, Matt, Daffy's a strong number two, but ah Jordan did have the correct answer. It's Wile E. Coyote. Wow. If we're doing Space Jam, I'm going to go to Pennywise because he's in the audience.
01:14:34
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That's in Space Jam 2. um he' He's in the IP audience. Yeah. Bugs Bunny is pretty sassy, though. I do love a sassy Bugs Bunny.
01:14:47
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Oh, yeah. ah i I'm a daffy guy through and through. Always have been. um But ah for design, i I got to give a shout out to the big orange monster, Gossamer. Gossamer is actually extremely good. yeah Love those chucks.
01:15:08
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Oh, that's true. That's so true. so I saw a very good question on on the on the blue sky that I think I would like the answer to everyone's answer.
01:15:21
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Something about our ah the junk food that we can't eat or don't eat. Oh, yeah. I can read that one right now. It's from The Lose on Blue Sky. It's, hey, everyone, what fast food abomination, the classic example is the KFC Double Down, are you actually craving right now?
01:15:38
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Fast food abomination. Well, I'll tell you, like as I'm ah um a man of a certain age that certain things that were in my diet, I just can't do anymore.
01:15:50
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ah and yeah And I have ive i've a house full of teenagers. All my kids are are are at that age where they can eat whatever they want and doesn't affect them.
01:16:01
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And do you get resentful and jealous sometimes? like when they have Absolutely. they yeah You know what? Like, you know what the effect is going to be the next day. You're like, I'm eating it anyway. Cause no way they're going to sit in front of me. How dare they in front of me, eat this. to I literally have a 12-year-old version of me who just literally is watching him eat what I want to eat. It's really upsetting.
01:16:24
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But i the other thing is i go I'll go to the store and there will be things that they have invented since I've had to tap out of this. Like Oreo-flavored popcorn on the shelf.
01:16:36
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would have been how I made, i would have eat I would have made whole graphic novels eating nothing but Oreo um ah popcorn. and And so when I see it, like I get very angry.
01:16:49
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You know, Patton, Patton, it would be very funny right now if your answer were a KFC famous bull. um my you know My answer would be, and again, this is something that even as I eat it, I can feel my body reacting horribly to it. But yeah i can yeah this isn't even a top show.
01:17:08
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It's the goddamn tacos and Jack in the Box. They are absolute filth, poison, and toxin. I could literally fill a mixing bowl with them and just sit and watch a movie.
01:17:22
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i think i I think I had them like three years ago. and and like it's i literally need that much time in between having them to recover. yeah yeah The ones with the piece of American cheese inside?
01:17:34
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Yes. It's horrible. It's horrible. If ah people don't know, ah Google Patton Oswalt KFC Bowl um and listen to one of the great comedy bits of all time. I saw you do that live in Portland many years ago.
01:17:54
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If you remember that. come in the animal I loved it. I loved it. Oh, my God.
01:18:01
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Sue, Sue, have you landed on on one? You know, i'm you know i I also cannot eat the things that I used to anymore. And just like Patton, just thinking about eating it upsets my stomach.
01:18:14
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Yeah. um Yeah. And it's really bad because I'm like, oh, I bet that's so delicious. Or like, I wish I was, you know, 15 again and I could just eat whatever I want.
01:18:25
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um But I do miss, you know, those like... like the 90s style pizza hut pizzas, just perfectly greasy. the The bread is so crunchy, you know, like just, just a sloppy, greasy mess of a pizza.
01:18:43
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Like I wish I could eat that again. well Like Land Before Time puppet pizza, right? When they had those puppets. For people of a certain age, Like, you go to the diner-style Pizza Hut, you know? Yeah. Yeah, with the buffet?
01:18:57
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Yes! Yeah. But ah Book It drove so many of us to Pizza Hut for reading. and And then we would also go get X-Men comics there.
01:19:11
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Oh, yeah. And the VHSs with, like, Scott Lobdell and Fabian Issa, right, introducing them or something? Yeah. Yeah. With those really cool black and red foil boxes, like the design on those was actually extremely good.
01:19:27
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I own every issue. I've collected them all. Oh my god. Oh buddy, that's the Rosetta Stone for all of my comics work, is Pizza Hut X-Men. Yeah, like ah like a Little Debbie or something like that. Those would destroy my stomach. They'll rip it up. But oh my god, I used to love the oatmeal pie ones.
01:19:47
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Yes. Oh my god, I used to love those. I will die if I eat that though. um Chris, I know that you are having – this is not necessarily the time you would talk about food you'd be craving. Yeah.
01:20:01
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Let me tell you, I am coming off ah three or four days of being food poisoned. Oh, yeah. I would literally commit a crime for a cheesy gordita crunch right now. Oh, my God.
01:20:14
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Along those lines, these are fast food items I never even tried. But I was also so always so curious about them, and I still am to this day.
01:20:25
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Which I'm not going to go buy it, but if you put it in front of me, I would eat it. There was a period in like the mid-2010s where both Taco Bell and Burger King were just experimenting with putting Cheeto dust on everything. Oh, no, they still do.
01:20:39
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They still do. Oh, my lord. But any of those Cheeto-flavored things, because like Cheetos to me are the ultimate food that like you don't even really like, but you keep eating it.
01:20:53
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And so all of that Cheeto-flavored stuff is like, hand that to me and I would crush it and instantly regret it at the same time. Well, it's also amazing like what you age out of, like your taste buds shift every seven years. True, yes. The stuff that you crave ah and at one time in your life, you may really not have a taste for anymore. And that that stuns me. I really fascinated. Yeah.
01:21:21
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I feel like I have to ask this question from Stone Cold HCC, an account that exists only to ask questions on Royal Rocket Ajax, because because of the tradition of Stone Cold HCC questions. So this is you under a pseudonym?
01:21:35
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No, we don't know who Stone Cold HCC is, and we don't ever want to know. Ooh, I love the mystery. But Stone Cold wants to know, if you saw a butt detached from a human body, do you think you'd be able to recognize what it was?
01:21:50
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Yes. Yeah. yeah
01:21:55
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Wait, let's say that one more time. I'll do it in not the Stone Cold voice. Any more context? I mean, where would the butt be? How much of the butt is attached to? Stone stone Cold asks deep philosophical questions yeah that we can only begin to understand.
01:22:18
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i Without more context, yes. He's a deep man. Yeah. They did it on the Doom Patrol show. There was like zombie butts. That's right. Oh, yeah. That's right. And there was also – what was that adult swim show with the butt? Assie McGee. It was like a cop. Assie McGee. Oh, right. Yeah. yeah so He had legs though.
01:22:38
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He did have legs though. Here's our last listener question. Is that the question you were worried to ask me? No, I actually – I actually did not – I kind of forgot and couldn't see a good place to work it in, but i will ask you right now.
01:22:54
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Yeah, let's do it. All right. this is This is a question that I have been very curious about for a while to the point of of I literally asked Jordan White, my ah editor, when I was doing ah X-Men books and Deadpool books at Marvel. Sure.
01:23:10
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Why did you name Miles Morales' dad Jefferson Davis? Oh, we fixed that immediately. That was 100% just stupidity.
01:23:21
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Just not... not not it It was a mistake
Discussion on Past Mistakes and Writing Process
01:23:27
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and we fixed it. that it is He is no longer named that. But then why haven't you changed his mom's name from Mary Racism? Because that was a good choice.
01:23:35
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choice I don't know why you kept that. The bummer really is, and I made a mistake, but the the years that went by before anybody called me on it, before anybody said, hey, why did you name it after this person? Like...
01:23:50
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the the knowledge wasn't really there with our audience. or at least Oh, no. that that but That was kind of ah the the unintended sad part was how many people don't know what that name was. That's double bummer then.
01:24:05
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Yeah, including me. But i was I must say I was very grateful that we were able to fix it so quickly. And of all the literally hundreds of characters I've named, that's the...
01:24:17
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the the biggest mistake, but we got, we got it fixed. And, and it was such a stupid reason. It was me trying to reverse engineer a joke where if Miles took his dad's name, his name would be Miles Davis. Yeah. yeah i'll sayvis yeah That's where I was. I was trying to avoid them naming their kid, Miles Davis. Yeah.
01:24:37
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And one of the parents wanted to name him Miles Davis. The other didn't want to name Miles Davis. And then we came up with the, he has his mother's name because his father was a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent. So let's not have him on, let's have Miles on the dad's paperwork. You know what mean? Let's keep it separate. And that's where the mistake came from.
01:24:54
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It was a reverse engineered Miles Davis joke that didn't even play. So there you go. I got to tell you, Brian, my assumption always was, I see what we're doing.
01:25:07
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We're trying to take it back. We're trying to take that name back. i Someone offered me that as a way out and I went, you know, like no. yeah Why do we want it back?
01:25:21
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Why do we want it back? Yeah, I know. Because there was there was there was there are a couple names in the culture that are people pulling – you know, trying to get it back, you know, and, and that not what this is and that is not my place to do. And none of it was my intention. So let's just, let's just go back to why we were telling the story.
01:25:42
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But, but that's not, I appreciate you asking, most um, uh, for the people who do ask, they always ask with a bit of, um, uh, assuming the worst out of me, which is kind of a bummer. Like,
01:25:54
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ah thinking I was trying to pull a fast one or something. Like, what what what what would that be? i don't know. So, no, it was just a mistake, and we fixed it. God bless Niccolo. He came right in, and um even after I was no longer at the company, he was like, hey, but's ah you you didn't mean this. I went, no, I told I wrote you guys notes. Please, let's fix it.
01:26:14
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so yeah I will say, i like Matt, I never assumed anything sinister or bad. I was always just like, that's weird. Yeah, no, yeah and they completely unintended.
01:26:28
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ah Well, thank you for answering. that is ah That is something that I have been curious about for a while, and I appreciate ah you taking the question and reminding me to ask it as well. so thought this was going to be about what was in the closet in the issue of New Avengers where Hawkeye met Scarlet Witch. I was getting shit for that, so that's why. Thank you for making actual question.
01:26:50
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appreciate that. It's so optimistic of you to think I have questions about Hawkeye.
01:26:57
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ah All right, let's do one last listener question. This one is from Matt Fiction on our Discord, and it's actually for you too as well, Brian. ah Brian, what's a big two character or team whose series you never got to write that you wish you'd gotten the chance to or would like to at some point?
01:27:12
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ah Dude, if I thought there was something, I would actively be pursuing it. um Legion of Superheroes was my... like reason to come to DC comics. Like it's like, like like the to earn my place to Legion.
01:27:28
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That seemed to be the, at least in my mind, the one I never thought I'd get my hands on or that I would get a clear shot with. And so when that happened, I was like, yeah, that's it. I'm top of the mountain time to tap out. Like I literally had written every single thing I had a deep passion for or felt I had something to say with.
01:27:53
Speaker
And if there was something else or something new, i would i would eagerly pursue it. But my privilege, and I know this is hardcore privilege from from a comic creator, but I i did get to write um just about everything I wanted to write. and make big swings with every character I wanted to try something with. So it's, it's been a privilege beyond measure that I could say that it's, it's incredible that I've been able to, like, I, I'm one of the very few people who's written both Avengers and justice league and both young justice and young Avengers. Like I've, I've gotten to write all of it and it's kind of very special in my heart and yeah, that's it.
01:28:33
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Brian, and um just to clarify, not Alpha Flight? Not Alpha Flight? No, I murdered Alpha Flight, and I murdered him off-handle. I noticed.
01:28:45
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I noticed, Brian. yeah we we We murdered him big time. oh and that You'll notice I'm not apologizing for that. Yeah. yeah well now Well, now you're finding new worlds to conquer. so yeah i be that i I had a birthday where I looked at what I had accomplished and I was so grateful for all the opportunities.
01:29:09
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ah But I did look at the fact that everything that was brand new that I had – ah co-created or created um with my friends, I was deeply proud of and scared of. And I said, well, that's what I should be doing right now is more of that.
01:29:24
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I may change my mind ah late later, but at the moment, ah the idea of creating new things like phenomena and masterpiece and the ones are me challenging myself to the highest level. And i live...
01:29:41
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this life trying to live by a lot of what my heroes taught me, which is to try to swing for the fences when you can. And because of Miles' success in the universe, I get to have these opportunities, and that's what I should be doing with him at the moment.
01:29:56
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Our guests have been... Four wonderful people, Brian Michael Bendis, Sue Lee, Patton Oswalt, and Jordan Bloom, all four of you.
01:30:07
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You have to choose what order you're going to do it
Guests' Current Projects and Social Media
01:30:09
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in. ah Please let our listeners know where they can find you, where they can follow you, and anything else you would like them to know before we wrap up. Jordan, you want to take it?
01:30:18
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All right, I'll go first. I'm Bloom Jordan on Blue Sky and... Instagram and um you know we're we're just so excited for people to check out Welcome to Twilight and then after that is our our Archie crossover so look out for that ah Archie vs Minor Threats and um this was so fun to just get to hang with this this group I don't want this ah publicity tour to end I want to hear more stories I know me too I'm so glad you said that I'm enjoying this too I'm a white lives matter 1488 on truth. so
01:30:52
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Um, drop by there. We're having a big meetup this 19th, uh, kind of a counter protest thing. I'm just going to leave it that. No, um, I'm Pat and I was all everywhere. Instagram, uh, blue sky threads, uh, go to my, i' I'm posting tour dates. Um,
01:31:09
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All kinds of big announcements coming up and insofar as minor threats and other things that are happening. But I'm always posting stuff. I'm always busy. And you' it's very easy to see what it is I'm doing and where I'm going to be.
01:31:23
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You and Emo Phillips I saw this morning. Yes, we're – I've performed in in all – I've performed in 48 states. The only two I haven't done is Montana and Wyoming. And so he and I – he has also not done those states.
01:31:37
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So we're going to do those together next month. I'll be in Bozeman, Montana on the 15th of May. And then the 16th and 17th, I'll be in Casper, Wyoming with Emo Phillips, one of the greatest joke writers on the planet.
01:31:50
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That's awesome. Sue. Take it, Sue. Oh, okay. You can find me at Suli Draws on Instagram, Blue Sky, and I also have a TikTok. I do art tutorials and just speed runs of art and just show you art supplies that I use. Just cute stuff for traditional artists.
01:32:13
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And then I also have Carmilla The Vampire series, the first one won the Bram Stoker Award, and the second one is currently out.
01:32:24
Speaker
And the third one will be out. It's the final chapter in October. and I'm excited for that. Of course, this Welcome to Twilight number two. um I'm also working on a Wizard of Oz graphic novel that's going to be kickstarted. um Not sure when, but you know you can look out on my socials for that.
01:32:45
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Trying to think if I'm missing anything. I think that's it. And I'm Brian Bendis. I'm Brian M. Bendis on the social, but JinxWorld.com is my website. And at the website, there are dozens of hours of...
01:33:01
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comic making classes and conversations with fellow creators and our discord, which is all about creating comics and and a safe space for people to share the work and enjoy creating stuff. I teach ah at Portland state. I bring the teaching energy to my online ah stuff. So um please check out Jinx World. You also see news on our phenomena graphic novel series, which I do with ah Andre Lima, our Ujo at comic, a comic at Abrams comics, art,
01:33:31
Speaker
It's our third volume is coming out ah in just a month. We're very, very excited. It's the most beautiful thing. It's just an exquisite piece of comic book of graphic novel making by Andre and the other books at Dark Horse, which include Masterpiece with Alex Maleev and the ones with Jacob Edgar, and Joy Operations with Stephen Byrne.
01:33:54
Speaker
A bunch of brand new stuff that we're really, really proud of. And that and the Powers Library and everything else can be found at JinxWorld.com and DarkHorse.com. All right, our guests.
01:34:05
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Jordan Bloom, Patton Oswalt, Suli, Brian Bendis. The book, Minor Threats, Welcome to Twilight, from the world of Minor Threats. ah Thank you all so much for joining us. This has been an absolute blast.
01:34:18
Speaker
Well, thank you. Thanks for having us on.
01:34:23
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Thanks once again to Jordan, Patton, Sue, and b Brian for joining us here on the show. That was ah an absolute blast. Go read that book. Go read all the Minor Threats books. They're all but amazing.
01:34:34
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Yeah. There hasn't been a bad one yet. Yeah. Not even close. It's it's kind of infuriating in some ways. ah But that is going to do it for our show this week.
01:34:47
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We will be back next week with, I think we we might read some Thors or talk some swords. Something like that. Yeah, if we read some Thors, that'll be the end of the Jurgies.
01:34:58
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so Oh man. See at the crossroads.
Contact Information and Closing Remarks
01:35:02
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yeah In the meantime, you can get in touch with us by email. You can email us at warrocketpodcast at gmail.com.
01:35:12
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01:35:24
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01:35:40
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A great plate way to contact us also is through our Discord. um You have to be invited to join our Discord, but if you ask us nicely for an invitation, we will get you one, and you can join over there and be part of that community, which includes Stone Cold HCC, who asked that question about a butt.
01:36:03
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01:36:14
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Anything you could possibly want to learn about this show is there, more or less. So go check that out. If you want to find me and my stuff, go to mattdwilson.net to find links to my comics, my books, my other podcasts, and my social medias.
01:36:32
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Chris, where can people find you People can find me by going to the-isb.com. That is my website. It's got links to all the stuff that I do and some stuff you can read. you haven't read 5,000-word essay on The Alfred Show, you should. It's good.
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It's really good. Thank you, Matt. i I feel like I've seen it. yeah I don't think I could convince you to see it. You can't. But you should.
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Look, I'm not even watching the TV shows that I know are good. That's where I'm at. Yeah, yeah, I get it. I get you, bud. All right, that does it. Thank you for listening. Thank you for inviting us into your homes, lives, and ears once again. Until next time, do not forget that Black Lives Matter.
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Trans rights are human rights. As are abortion rights. Drag is not a crime. Diversity is not the problem. Cops aren't your friends. And fuck TERFs. We love you.
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We love you.
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everything to flash.