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Tron: Ares SPOILER FILLED Breakdown: Nostalgia, AI Angst & the 3D Ride | Streamin’ Demons
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Jo and Amelie jack into Tron: Ares and don’t hold back. From childhood arcade dreams and 3D IMAX flashbacks to Jared Leto’s controversial casting, they dissect the sequel’s glowing grid of tech nostalgia, coding culture, and emotional AI twists. Amelie shares how learning programming made the movie hit differently, and Jo gets real about why Tron was his first spark into geekdom. Whether you’re here for Evan Peters, Gillian Anderson’s surprise gravitas, or to argue about what “woke” even means anymore—this ep’s got you.
Watch the lightcycles blaze, the emotions glitch, and the popcorn get silenced in the sound mix. Plus, why Tron: Ares might be the most misunderstood blockbuster of the year.
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Key Moments:
- Opening riff – Jo & Amelie admit they’re going to spoil everything.
- Nostalgia check – Rewatching the original Tron and what it made them feel.
- Big insight – Amelie’s coding story & how the film reflects real‑world AI dilemmas.
- Behind‑the‑scenes moment – Jared Leto’s casting controversy and how it plays out.
- Personal story – Jo recounts babysitter chaos and arcade memories to tie into the film’s world.
- Why it matters – Discussion on whether this is a theater‑worthy movie in the age of streaming.
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Transcript
Introduction and Spoiler Alert
00:00:07
Jo
everyone, Joe here with Amelie. Hello Amelie, how are you?
00:00:11
Amelie
Hi, good, and yourself?
00:00:13
Jo
am... Alright, today is Streaming Demons. If you haven't seen Streaming Demons before, this is more of a unique one. We are going to spoil the crap of the movie. We're going to spoil the crap out of it, and the movie is Tron Aries.
Buddy Christ Controversy and Social Media
00:00:28
Jo
If you haven't seen Tron Aries before, and according to the numbers, most of the planet has not.
00:00:34
Jo
You might want to step away from it. Come watch the Kevin Smith episode with Dogma Resurrected where I got in trouble for apparently putting Christ on a poster. Buddy Christ.
00:00:46
Jo
And technically.
00:00:46
Amelie
Really?
00:00:49
Jo
But yeah.
00:00:49
Amelie
I don't understand this time when you can talk about pornography and OnlyFans on Instagram. You cannot put the body price on the poster. Like, come on, like, people.
00:01:00
Jo
Yeah, I know. I thought it was kind of a cute. I was going for a cereal type thing, you know, now with more sugar or whatever they put in cereal these days. Now with less lead, like even more Christ.
00:01:11
Jo
It was kind of fun, apparently, only for me. That's okay. I still stand by my buddy Christ convictions. So if you want to listen to that one, go for it.
00:01:23
Jo
But if you have not watched Tron Ares before, we are absolutely going to spoil everything.
Original Tron: Memories and AI Influence
00:01:28
Jo
Like subscribe now because yeah come back to us. One, two. All right.
00:01:36
Jo
We gave you some time to get out. Here we go. I watched original Tron in the theaters. Yes, I'm that fucking old. My co-host watched it on TV.
00:01:48
Jo
How old were you?
00:01:50
Amelie
four years old.
00:01:51
Jo
Nice. so so it's you know it's It is a family movie. It's like rated PG or something like that, right? So do you remember anything about that movie, the original?
00:02:02
Amelie
The color blue, the color red, and the motorcycle, that's all.
00:02:04
Jo
Yeah.
00:02:06
Amelie
And I realized that a week ago before doing this podcast, when you're like, hey, let's do the podcast, yeah, and I had so many i ideas, and I'm like, wait a minute.
00:02:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:02:17
Amelie
I don't remember the original. I remember the one with the Daft Punk music in 2010, but I do not remember the number one. Like I've got a vague souvenir.
00:02:27
Jo
Yeah.
00:02:29
Amelie
I remember Highlander, but I don't remember Tron.
00:02:32
Jo
Oh, wow. That's interesting. i I thought I remembered Tron, but I probably have the same glimpses that you did. Blue, red, the light cycle. I started watching it again before this taping.
00:02:45
Jo
ah got maybe 10 minutes into it. And was like, holy crap, I don't remember any of this movie. And that's the magic of it. I knew enough to get the Easter eggs in Tron Ares. I knew like, oh, I get i get the references.
00:03:00
Jo
Because I think they made them so big and blatant in Tron Ares that if you just remember bits and pieces of the original Tron, it's kind of like oh, no, I get that. But I forgot.
00:03:13
Jo
I forgot Tron. Watching the original Tron again, it really does precursor AI. They're talking to, they type to the computer as if it's supposed to type back to them instead of programming it.
00:03:26
Jo
It's an interface and they call them little things. Like they basically make chatbots in the original Tron in 1982. It was a precursor to all of this stuff that we have today in real life, except for the blue life cycles, I think.
00:03:40
Jo
Now I've got a question because my memory is a bit spotty.
Gaming Nostalgia and Arcade Culture
00:03:44
Jo
You and I went to Gen correct? Correct.
00:03:47
Amelie
Yes.
00:03:49
Jo
Awesome. Good. Do you remember playing Tron the video game at Gen Con?
00:03:58
Amelie
No, we did not. But we went to a room full of old-fashioned 90s, games.
00:04:01
Jo
Okay.
00:04:07
Jo
Yes.
00:04:08
Amelie
Do you remember? It was really cool. And we played together game. You used to play when you were a kid. It was like Dungeons & Dragons. and we play for a good 20-30 minutes.
00:04:18
Jo
Gauntlet.
00:04:20
Amelie
Yeah!
00:04:21
Jo
Yeah. Warrior need food.
00:04:22
Amelie
It is super cool!
00:04:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:24
Amelie
Yeah! I loved it!
00:04:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:26
Amelie
That's what I like about game.
00:04:27
Jo
Okay, it's cool.
00:04:29
Amelie
Game used to be social, you know, like it a big big game and stuff and nowadays it's becoming more social again because of internet and to be able to be in a different universe and it's great.
00:04:32
Jo
Yeah.
00:04:43
Amelie
But Yeah, I like that. i like I kind of have the nostalgia of a life I didn't have. Like I would love to be a teenager and be like, OK, mom, I'm going to the arcade for two hours.
00:04:53
Amelie
And you go, you spend a little bit of money, you have a Coca-Cola, you meet your friend, you play and we had a lot of fun and it was great. That's fun sharing. I like that.
00:05:04
Jo
No, I agree, and I agree, and it brings me back to, God, we did this one movie a while ago, like, so Sonomium, or the one where, Stannium, right, where she goes to the sleep clinic, and she's just an attractive woman who can't make friends at the arcade.
00:05:17
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah. yeah
00:05:21
Jo
that I'm like, what the fuck? I'm like, I'm pretty sure that's not real, or maybe that's just how culture is now, and then we can talk to each other. But back in the day,
00:05:32
Jo
I wouldn't know. Honestly, i grew up like the nearest arcade for me was 15 minutes away by car. i didn't have a car, you know, so it was a bowling alley. So as my mom would go bowling, I would play kind of have four quarters.
00:05:46
Jo
That's what mean. And then you use those four quarters as long as you can actually play. So you had to be really good at the games because each game costs a quarter and you only get like two or $3 total to play.
00:05:59
Jo
And that has to last you a couple hours.
00:06:00
Amelie
It's really funny you say that because in Australia um there is a lot of places where you eat, you know, and you play casino. And it's kind of the descend descendant of saloon in Australia. And
Joe's Mischievous Childhood Stories
00:06:15
Amelie
you always have an Atari game like, a for example, Pac-Man or is this kind of thing.
00:06:22
Amelie
And when I watched Tron with my parents, my parents always said to me, my mom was a huge fan of video games.
00:06:22
Jo
Right.
00:06:29
Amelie
And she really liked Pac-Man or Mario. So she used to go to the arcade game when she was a teenager to play Pac-Man Mario. So I played this kind of game with my husband back in Australia.
00:06:38
Jo
Yeah.
00:06:41
Amelie
And I really liked it. Like I always said, I had money, if I was rich, I would buy a sort of see big, big retro game. game to play.
00:06:52
Amelie
In Prague, there is a cafe who is really cool.
00:06:54
Jo
um
00:06:55
Amelie
You have delicious burger and delicious beer. You can play games like that, Arcade 1, from the 80s.
00:06:59
Jo
Yeah.
00:07:03
Amelie
It's really cool.
00:07:04
Jo
Right. I have a quick question.
00:07:09
Amelie
Go ahead.
00:07:09
Jo
Am I the same age as your fucking mom?
00:07:14
Amelie
You 10 years
00:07:15
Jo
but Don't tell me I'm older than your mom.
00:07:15
Amelie
ten years
00:07:17
Jo
Am I fucking older than your mom?
00:07:18
Amelie
No, you are 10 years younger than my mom.
00:07:18
Jo
Am older than your mom?
00:07:28
Jo
Am i
00:07:29
Amelie
You're 10 years younger than your my mom.
00:07:29
Jo
Okay. That makes me feel better, I guess. Because I'm like, shit, those are the games I played.
00:07:35
Amelie
Look, my mom would have been your babysitter. That's an interesting thing because my mom would have been your babysitter.
00:07:41
Jo
I tortured the shit out of my babysitter.
00:07:45
Amelie
Simple.
00:07:45
Jo
i
00:07:46
Amelie
Babysitter.
00:07:47
Jo
i
00:07:48
Amelie
That's up.
00:07:49
Jo
I had the hot girl babysitter. if you Believe it or not. the the The girl next door. Like, literally the girl next door through the woods. And i almost got like cred, like not street crap or crap.
00:08:03
Jo
I just want to say rep and credit at same time came out crap. But I kind of got school cred for having the hot babysitter. And to me, she was always just the girl next. I was just a girl I grew up with next door, you know.
00:08:17
Jo
But I used to torture her, not in a horrible, horrible way. But we had like for Halloween, for example, yesterday was Halloween. And i had blood packs where you basically, if you don't know what blood pack is, they were capsules that you put in your mouth, bite on it, and blood spurts out your mouth. That's how a lot of the effects would do.
00:08:41
Jo
And so I put those in my mouth one time. I'm like, I won't say her own name. Like, Hey, whatever your name is. like I don't feel too well. I like the blood pack. And I started bleeding from my mouth and like started spitting up blood all over the place.
00:08:56
Jo
She freaked out. I mean, obviously she would freak out, but yeah, I did that shit all the time. I was beyond Bart Simpson as a, as a, on my own perfect angel.
00:09:03
Amelie
Oh my God. Oh my God.
00:09:09
Jo
With my babysitter, i was like, all right, buckle up, bitch. you know Let's go. What can I do to you today?
00:09:16
Amelie
Because you did multi two other you didn't want it to have you it to be free.
00:09:22
Jo
No, I didn't mind. i just never had a brother and sister.
00:09:27
Jo
you know but For me, it was just, oh, some I didn't really see anyone in charge. My dad was in charge. My mom was in charge. Everyone else kind of just there.
00:09:39
Jo
you know, so I never really... God. Yes, Amelie, today we learned my problem of authority started out when I was young.
00:09:49
Jo
And Amelie knows that I do have a slight problem of authority, I guess. So we played the same video games, your mom and I.
00:09:53
Amelie
Yes.
00:09:58
Jo
That's why I was kind of wondering. But one of the video games, and maybe you can ask her later... was Tron and Tron at the time was the light cycle, the disc thing, a spider game, and then like the MPC.
00:10:11
Jo
And it was a bit difficult. You can beat certain aspects of it, but it gave you a random one. Like, oh man, i have to do this one now. And to beat the entire game, you know, our skills are still developing.
00:10:24
Jo
It's almost laughable now, but you know, and one of the games I played, I guess, before you and I went to Gen Con a different year, was that Tron game, because once you go to Gen Con, you get the bracelet and you just play as much as you want, as long as the games are still there, you know, and they work, whatever.
00:10:41
Jo
it was almost like ah but it's satisfying to beat it now, like the adult who's played World of Warcraft with a Naga mouse where your thumb dexterity's got like 13 buttons on it and stuff that.
00:10:53
Jo
To be able to to crush these old games. And it brought me back to like the movie Tron. movie Tron got me into programming.
Tron's Influence on Programming Career
00:11:02
Jo
That's why I wanted to be a programmer. And the way they were doing it, like I said before, like, they are typing to the program and program was typing back at them. It wasn't a program response, it was an AI.
00:11:16
Jo
And so they kind of the precursor of all this stuff we have today. Now, that is the original Tron. And if you really look at the original Tron,
00:11:28
Jo
Hindsight is fifty fifty on this, man. It decent. It is fun. It's from 82. It predicts the future. It did not make money.
00:11:39
Jo
17 mil budget. 33 mil worldwide. But 17 mil budget to make.
00:11:51
Jo
The adage is you basically can can double that because you have to add on. The budget does that usually include marketing. And your marketing budget is basically your budget again. So 34 mil versus 33 million.
00:12:05
Jo
It might have lost money. I'm not sure if they did that whole 17 again for
Tron Ares: Box Office and 3D Experience
00:12:10
Jo
for budgeting. I don't know the numbers exactly, but that's just the usual, right? So people forgot it wasn't a smash hit.
00:12:21
Jo
And then they say Tron Aries. Fast forward to Tron Aries, which we're to spoil the shit out now. It's not a smash hit either.
00:12:32
Jo
180 mil to make. I think that's the issue. And a gross 125. So it's losing the matter what right now. But again, it's still got longevity elsewhere. I think as i think Tron Aries has an unfair rep right now.
00:12:49
Jo
So we both saw it in the theater, right?
00:12:54
Jo
Okay. What was your first impression of Tron Ares?
00:13:00
Amelie
I love it.
00:13:02
Jo
Okay.
00:13:03
Amelie
I love it. Yeah, you need to understand, I went and I met this group of friends, group of men, and you know, normal European, smack smack, how are you?
00:13:04
Jo
Why?
00:13:17
Amelie
What's up? Da da da da da. Oh, I'm by myself.
00:13:20
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:20
Amelie
It's my morning night. Ah, good. What the devil is up to? Well, I'm going to check Tron. Oh, go see it in 3D, 3D Max. Get the glasses and go.
00:13:32
Amelie
Have fun. And they were were very excited and stuff. And they're all Russian. They're all Slavic people, Russian people, etc. And that's really interesting because when I went four in the cinema, I was expecting no one, like in Superman, just a few people.
00:13:42
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:52
Amelie
It was full.
00:13:54
Jo
Really?
00:13:54
Amelie
It was full, my friend. So you're going to say, yes, Amelia, of course, because, you know, it's 3D Max, it's in Prague, there is a lot of the foreigner, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:13:56
Jo
no
00:14:03
Amelie
blah blah And it's an American movie. Dude, for Star Wars, nobody gives a fuck about Star Wars in Czech Republic because they it's it's not a movie that was popular in the 80s because of communism.
00:14:16
Jo
ah okay oh empire yeah that makes sense yeah
00:14:18
Amelie
So the parents didn't show Star Wars to their kids. But Trump, big, big thing with Trump. And I think maybe a lot of Germans were there, a lot of Russians were there.
00:14:32
Amelie
And I didn't hear a lot of Czech, but full of people and a lot of people of your age, demographic and in couple, alone, etc.
00:14:43
Amelie
I was like, damn, was with my popcorn and my Coca-Cola.
00:14:45
Jo
Yeah.
00:14:47
Amelie
was really surprised. So I imagine fathers coming to watch Tron in three d It was fantastic in 3D. I really enjoyed it. The music was great.
00:14:59
Amelie
um The CGI amazing character-wise. They were really interesting. There were a lot of mix. I really liked it. There were a lot of coding. And I laughed because learned coding this week, ah the week before going to the cinema.
00:15:15
Jo
Cool.
00:15:16
Amelie
And I was like, that's really funny because When I think about me sitting at four years old watching Tron and they do all the coding, it was like so alien to me. And now I live in Czech Republic and I'm learning coding in English, you know, knowing I'm French.
00:15:30
Amelie
And it's completely normal for me coding, you know. But at that time, when you were watching them doing coding, it was like, oh, they're super intelligent. There is this very difficult thing they do because they work in IT.
00:15:42
Amelie
Now, if you say I work in IT and I do coding, it's like, oh, I know how to make...
00:15:46
Jo
Yeah.
00:15:46
Amelie
a Apple pie, you know. And that's really interesting to have this reminder, hey, it used to be futuristic to do coding. um I really like the scene when they create people from the universe.
00:16:05
Amelie
It reminds me of your printer, you know, your 3D printer.
00:16:06
Jo
Yeah.
00:16:09
Amelie
Click, click, click, click, click.
00:16:09
Jo
The printer, yeah.
00:16:12
Amelie
I'm like, yeah, that's nice.
00:16:12
Jo
Yeah, it really does.
00:16:13
Amelie
I really love the movie. Why?
00:16:15
Jo
ah No glow sticks.
00:16:16
Amelie
Because it's entertaining. Because there is a lot of futuristic things, but from nowadays. Like, we are in the future. And I really like how they gave homage to the
Evolution of Computer Technology
00:16:29
Amelie
first Tron.
00:16:29
Amelie
Because it's a small building with a lot of big, big, big computers and big, big, big games.
00:16:31
Jo
They do. Yeah.
00:16:36
Amelie
And I'm like, we started like that.
00:16:37
Jo
Absolutely.
00:16:39
Amelie
A computer used to be a full room. Now it's just a laptop on my knee.
00:16:42
Jo
Absolutely.
00:16:42
Amelie
Like...
00:16:44
Jo
Yeah, we used to have computer rooms. Not even like computer was like, when I say computer room, I know what you mean about the punch card computers that used to take the whole fucking building, right? But when personal computers first came home, you would have to have a room for it because it took a TV set.
00:17:03
Jo
You didn't have a monitor. You had a fucking TV set. That was for that computer now. Then the printers were this dot matrix bullshit. The media, when I first started, geez i still have I actually still have my Tandy 3, I believe. and I might have my Commodore 64 still.
00:17:28
Jo
But these things took two or three different sorts of media at first, right? You had the cassette player that you then would have to plug into the computer and press like play and whatever the computer program on that would play.
00:17:45
Jo
that's how game That's original game cartridges. And then they went to physical cartridges like Atari cartridge, but bulkier. ahtari cartridge but bulkier And that would plug in, I believe that was to the Tandy.
00:18:00
Jo
And then you'd play as well. And then the big flappy disc came in. And then the small flappy disc came in. And then years years years years years, years, years, years later, the CD player came.
00:18:12
Jo
But that years later. like you I could expand my Tandy 3 to a fucking megabyte. A megabyte of fucking RAM. And that was a bitch. It was like 512 KB.
00:18:26
Jo
That was a bitch to do. And so we went from all of these things to like basically green screen. That's why the graphics were shit. didn't have to be anything. To basic programming. And this is where Tron comes on, Tracer on, right? Basic programming.
00:18:42
Jo
That was my first language I learned. And I made a... God, I made like a Zork type adventure. Zork might be the keyword for it. You know, Madison the Mentor, Asylum. All these things were fucking thing.
00:18:54
Jo
that I would play at my neighbor's house with her brother as we listened to ZZ Top. That's how it was in my life. And it was fantastic.
00:19:08
Jo
I programmed a game based upon Dungeons & Dragons type thing that was input-output, just like Zork.
00:19:16
Amelie
Thank you.
00:19:21
Jo
I made the mistake of bringing it to school. And the teacher, like this old fucking woman, just hated it. What are you doing? You're wasting your time. You're wasting your life. What the fuck does it even mean?
00:19:35
Jo
Oh my cute fucking bitch.
00:19:39
Jo
Waited not to see where the puck was going. You know, being smart at my school was frowned upon and being in computers was very frowned upon. But you would still have people bringing their Commodore 64s or Tandy's to high school.
00:19:57
Jo
And like they were like arguably the geek geeks, right? And that wasn't a good thing back then. Being smart wasn't fun. You know, so you see this, this is where kind of makes it look cool.
00:20:11
Jo
Tron starts to make the original Tron from 82 starts making programming look cool because you have the corporate guy who looks like a fucking corporate douchebag, any a random corporate douchebag. And, you know, he's played really well.
00:20:25
Jo
Absolutely. You know, David Warner does amazing job at this and it really brings it in there. And you have the cool guys like Jeff Bridges and Bruce Boxletter.
00:20:41
Jo
They made it look cool. It's like the Emilio Estevez character in Max Mulder Drive. Playing video games made look cool. And lo and behold, none of us really knew as kids. Lemmy fucking Kilmster playing video games a lot.
00:20:55
Jo
In his underwear. Tidy-whities, by the way. And boots on and a hat, I think. But that's all he wore. And I want to say Jello, but I'm not sure about the Jello part.
00:21:07
Jo
But that's what, you know, that comes later. That comes later. So you have Tron and the the the music for Tron, the original was from Journey, and Journey had their own video game.
00:21:20
Jo
Like they had a fucking video game. So there's all this video game coolness comping up. And now we fast forward to Tron Ares you're like, if you program, it's no longer a big deal. It's kind of like oh, great. I can also make toast.
00:21:35
Jo
You know, we had a video toaster, by the way. So when you're watching this, did you get all the Easter eggs from the original Tron?
00:21:47
Amelie
Yes, the change of color, the building, um the main actor who is present, like it's fantastic.
00:21:50
Jo
Yeah.
00:21:57
Amelie
And the flappy disc, that's interesting, the flappy disc, because she goes to a special place for a sister and she tried to work on a very old computer and find some coding to create
00:22:02
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:15
Jo
yeah
00:22:16
Amelie
things out of the video game world to change it in real and to keep it real without being destroyed.
00:22:27
Jo
yeah
00:22:27
Amelie
And she used a flappy disc and I'm like, yeah, if the world goes to shit, we still have flappy disc. You know what I mean?
00:22:36
Jo
Yeah.
00:22:37
Amelie
Like it used to be big thing. I remember in 1996 when my mother came out, came back from the computer
00:22:48
Amelie
I called it the computer shop because in France when you wanted to buy a big computer or a printer or flappy disk etc you needed to go to very specific supermarket you couldn't go to Tesco for example you needed to go you know yeah where you buy a washing machine etc you add a zone with computer printer etc
00:23:02
Jo
You're right back in the day, like Radio Shack or some shit like that before.
00:23:10
Jo
Yeah.
00:23:15
Amelie
She came back with FlappyDisk. and It was a big, big thing. She's like, yeah, FlappyDisk like this. I can write my text for my visit of the church and stuff.
00:23:24
Jo
Yeah.
00:23:25
Amelie
And she had a computer who was the room of the computer with a FlappyDisk. She would enter and take it off, place it in a little box with a key to click, you know.
00:23:35
Amelie
And nowadays we have USB, like a USB key, you know, or the cloud.
00:23:36
Jo
yeah
00:23:40
Jo
Oh, I know. and USB keys themselves grew.
00:23:41
Amelie
Very simple.
00:23:43
Jo
right that That's exactly the the the lineage of it. and
00:23:49
Jo
like It brings you back. It does bring you back. And you see this is years later from the original Tron. Years and years later. years later And one of the things, I didn't watch any of the previews.
Tron Ares: Cast and Connections
00:24:05
Jo
I think I saw one small brief spoiler. I mean, not spoiler, a stinger. Like one little, you know, this is Tron Aries motherfucker, come watch it type thing for 15 seconds.
00:24:17
Jo
So it wasn't even the full preview. So I didn't know ah Evan Peters is in this. If you haven't watched American Horror Story or the only good Quicksilver, sorry.
00:24:32
Jo
Like, that's Evan Peters, right? He plays the good Quicksilver in the X-Men films. He's great in all the American Horror Stories he's in. And he does a bunch of other stuff, too.
00:24:45
Jo
But he's in this movie as well. And it's like, oh, wow. I didn't like i didn't know he was going to be in it. And he plays, course, the great-grandson of Dillinger.
00:24:57
Jo
And if you haven't seen the original movie, you might not get that. Now, that brings me another question to you. Do you think you need to watch original Tron to understand everything in this film?
00:25:09
Jo
Or is just more of like a bonus?
00:25:12
Amelie
No. No, I don't think so.
00:25:16
Jo
Okay.
00:25:16
Amelie
Because they really explain everything. It's well known.
00:25:20
Amelie
Like the movie Tron is well known. And you can watch it from a new eye, you know. And there is a good recap at the beginning.
00:25:20
Jo
I do.
00:25:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:25:27
Amelie
Who is who, who does what, etc. hu And I think when you live everyday life, you know things, you know. And it's more like a wink-wink to people who watch it, you know, watch the original, remember the first movie, and when you watch the new one.
00:25:37
Jo
Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
00:25:44
Jo
yes
00:25:47
Amelie
And that's why I like this film, because you have the wink-wink from the tone number one, and the wink-wink of we are in the future. We have the gigantesque 3D printer from computer to reality.
00:25:55
Jo
yeah
00:26:03
Amelie
We have coding, who is now completely normal to code. We have now, um how can I say it? um We have now little robots. We have vacuum cleaner who vacuum by themselves.
00:26:17
Amelie
We have drones all over the planet.
00:26:18
Jo
Dude, we got Waffle Bots.
00:26:21
Amelie
Yes, we have ruffle bots now. It's great.
00:26:24
Jo
Fucking Waffle Bots, baby.
00:26:24
Amelie
And we even have pancake maker. You just pass your hand like that and boom, you've got pancakes.
00:26:31
Jo
i I still blame, the honestly, I blame, okay, for those that don't know, I was in Alabama and Florida as well.
00:26:33
Amelie
Thank you.
00:26:41
Jo
Pensacola. For the Coral Reafer Band concert. and like I was like, oh, look, a pancake maker. All have to do is wave. I'm like, I'm not really big pancake guy I'm like, well, fuck I'd like just wave. So I waved once, twice, and my hand shook for the third time. So i'm like, one, two.
00:26:56
Jo
It gave me two pancakes and a trade deal that was canceled by Canada. Or excuse me, by US against Canada. So I got the third wave, damn I knew three waves were too many. That's what it was. I just murdered my own joke.
00:27:08
Jo
But they exist. And then Waffle Bot. Waffle Bot's its own thing, though, man. Like that pancake waiver? Pancakes suck. Waffle Bot rules, man.
00:27:19
Jo
It shoots hot syrup? Dude. And it's a Christmas movie. If anyone didn't see, we're talking about Harold Kumar Save Christmas or Red Christmas or Get High During Christmas, something during Christmas.
00:27:30
Jo
It's also a 3D movie, just like Tron Aries. But you have all these things coming out, and that's exactly it. We go back to the lineage of Tron, and fast forward to Tron Ares.
00:27:42
Jo
I think you're right. You don't need to watch Tron to understand Tron Ares. It makes it more enjoyable if you did, though. Because you were going to get all the winks. And like, oh, shit, that's kind of cool, you know.
00:27:53
Jo
So when you see this, and, you know, that this person's trying to, like Greta Lee is trying to find her sister's old work or whatever it's going to be. And course, we have to go to Flynn.
00:28:07
Jo
Flynn, Flynn, Flynn. It's basically the MacGuffin of the Tron movies for the last two two fucking movies. So we have all of this. At the same time, Ares exists. And this is the contentious part for people, I guess.
00:28:20
Jo
Played by Jared Leto. Or Leto, depending how you want to say it. I think some chatter is saying they avoided the movie because of the star Jared Leto.
00:28:33
Jo
I think we talked about this before, but what was your initial?
00:28:37
Amelie
Yes. um ah When I saw Jared Leto on it, I'm like, okay, I'm going to watch Tron because you asked me to watch Tron, the movie, you know, I will buy myself some popcorn and voila.
00:28:47
Jo
Right.
00:28:50
Amelie
And I was skeptical because Jared Leto, his last year movie,
00:28:58
Amelie
you know, and his reputation. So i was like, oh, maybe he's going to play it and be me. And actually, no, he did a great job. Like I was pleasantly surprised.
00:29:08
Amelie
Like, I really like the character. I really like the philosophy. He gave it to the sensibility without making too much.
00:29:16
Jo
Right.
00:29:18
Amelie
Like, he's a superhero, right? But he gave this human thing. Like, there's this scene when one of his comrades is hurt and then when they come back to camp, the CEO decides to not resuscitate one of his comrades.
00:29:28
Jo
yeah
00:29:36
Jo
right
00:29:36
Amelie
And he's like, I noticed a soldier such and such was not resuscitated. Why? Because it's a defect. Because it's a problem. And we don't like defect. So we don't resuscitate. And it's like, okay, you can clearly see without crying, without something, just the questioning and the conversation and the way he moves.
00:29:58
Amelie
Oh, okay. um I've got feelings. I'm disappointed. Like I don't understand this order, but I will accept the order. You see? So I like that.
00:30:08
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:08
Amelie
I like the way he he did it.
00:30:09
Jo
i think I think you're hitting it. And when I first heard he was cast as Tron, I'm like, oh, that might be a financial misstep for the movie, like an unforced error.
00:30:23
Jo
Just from PR point of view, because his his persona in Hollywood or outside of Hollywood is a bit toxic right now. And I don't think he rehabbed it yet.
00:30:35
Jo
I think he's still got some ways to go it's It's weird. And you look at the movies, you're right to kind of go, oh, God, really? You know, he did Suicide Squad, which was an okay movie, but the Joker was just like shit.
00:30:50
Jo
Like, the the his Joker is like fucking laughable shit. And then Jack Snyder's Justice League, he's the Joker again, and it's shit as well. But here's the thing.
00:31:02
Jo
Those movies are shit with or without him. He didn't make them shit. but Maybe have he made Suicide Squad shit, but he didn't make these shit. Morbius. He didn't make Morbius shit because of his acting.
00:31:15
Jo
Morbius was shit. Written. Directed. Caught up. It was just shit. So wasn't him. Haunted Mansion. Haunted Mansion didn't crumple because of his acting.
00:31:27
Jo
Haunted Mansion was just shit.
00:31:31
Jo
and know was not he he can'ts He's not God. You can't save the entire fucking thing. You put any actor in these movies and they're still going to be shit. The best actor, whoever your best actor is in the world, you think about right now, you put them in Morbius, it's still shit.
00:31:47
Jo
It might be slightly more entertaining shit, but it's still shit. Like if you put them in Jack O, a movie I watched from Shudder yesterday with ah Last Drive with Joe Bob Briggs and Darcy the male girl, it's still shit.
00:32:00
Jo
No matter who you put the fucking put he can put Harrison Ford in that movie. It's still going to be a shit movie just starring Harrison Ford now. So I agree. like The Jared Leto thing, I'm like, oh that might be a misstep.
00:32:08
Amelie
Yeah, but in his situation...
00:32:18
Amelie
But the problem is in his situation, he has a kind of wave.
00:32:18
Jo
But I don't think he can pull the movie up either way.
00:32:29
Amelie
Yeah, but the Joker, for example, hates the character. It's a very strong character. so There are so many good actors who did personal view on on each interpretation on Joker.
00:32:44
Jo
Jack Nicholson.
00:32:45
Amelie
When you play the Joker, you have to be good. you know So when you pass after
00:32:51
Jo
Yeah.
00:32:52
Amelie
um
00:32:53
Jo
Yeah. I agree.
00:32:55
Amelie
the Joker from 2010,
00:32:56
Jo
agree. When you play the Joker, you have to really bring him.
00:32:57
Amelie
from two thousand and ten
00:32:58
Jo
You have Jack Nicholson Heath Ledger. I mean, he's not even Cesar Romero.
00:33:02
Amelie
2008, 2009, I mean, yeah, no, he did a very bad Joker. And that was the first step.
00:33:11
Jo
Horrible.
00:33:12
Amelie
Then in this last movie, he had a very bad reputation. And even if in the 2010, I remember my friends saying, oh, Jared Leto is so beautiful, even if he's old, like he never grew old.
00:33:25
Amelie
He was very popular. So he went up, up, up, up. up Did Joker very badly and then got to a bad reputation in his last movie. So he needs to clean basically his reputation and also do good movies.
00:33:37
Jo
yeah
00:33:47
Jo
Yeah, I think it's the two and two. like Reputation-wise, you can talk about... okay but i was talking about putting other actors in different movies and see if they're better or not.
00:34:00
Jo
Robert Downey Jr. had a bad reputation for more than a minute, twice, twice. He fucks up, he rehabs, Allen Nabil happens, fucks up again, rehabs, comes back completely strong.
00:34:17
Amelie
Thank you.
00:34:21
Jo
Completely strong. Now, I will say ah couple things.
00:34:31
Jo
I agree. i don't I don't think, and this is the the difference between, besides the fucking ability to to act and everything else and put box office numbers up, between him and Robert Downey Jr. is I don't think Jared Leto ever fucking rehabbed.
00:34:44
Jo
I don't mean rehab as in just getting your sobriety. I mean, rehab the fucking PR. I don't think he put time into that. But for me, he's not the star of this movie.
Story and World-Building in Tron Ares
00:35:00
Jo
Tron, the actual movie, is the star of the movie. The concept of Tron is the star. The the story is the star of the movie. The world building is the star of the movie. He's just a fucking character.
00:35:11
Jo
And I do agree, he does bring a humanity to this character. It could have been shit shit, but he does have that warmth in him to portray, right?
00:35:23
Jo
I agree with that. So we see him being built up and expendable. As a warrior expendable. and that you know Where this goes, maybe this is a Like the original Tron was kind of like a soothsayer about what's going to happen today.
00:35:41
Jo
Maybe in 20 years, that's what's going to happen later. These characters are expendable. Or maybe it's a concept or a critique of drone warfare where people can bomb other nations in the comfort of a fucking air-conditioned trailer in Vegas.
00:35:56
Jo
Sorry. Nellis Air Force Base, North West Vegas. So you have all this happening. But I think it's the story that can kind of suck you back in, right?
00:36:08
Jo
least it's for me.
00:36:14
Jo
And as we're doing like the reporter from 2000 years ago, have to go like this and start nodding and stuff. um So what do you what do you think though, Emily? What do you think? Like, give me your review of, remember, you can spoil it as much as you want.
00:36:30
Jo
Give me your actual review. Does this work as a movie?
00:36:34
Amelie
ah
00:36:36
Jo
Why?
00:36:37
Amelie
Yes, it does. ah a movie, it does because it makes new technology.
00:36:47
Jo
yeah
00:36:47
Amelie
Little wink-wink from the past for look what we are doing nowadays compared to before. ah There is great battle but so fight. I really liked it.
00:37:03
Amelie
It was really epic. And It was really easy to follow the story, not too complicated.
00:37:10
Jo
Right It is pretty straight, it's pretty linear It's well paced. Nothing like the first act in drag. Nothing really drags in this movie. And the soundtrack, Nine Inch Nails, Daft Punk did the previous soundtrack. I said Journey to the first one.
00:37:28
Jo
Nine Inch Nails, I think that's a good direction. And this goes back to the Terminator 2 conundrum.
00:37:36
Amelie
Oh, God, yes.
00:37:36
Jo
They wanted some bullshit. Like Terminator 2, the soundtrack was supposed to be Bon Jovi.
00:37:43
Amelie
Ooh.
00:37:44
Jo
No, one don't go, ooh, should be like, Terminator 2, a fucking Bon Jovi. though like I like Young Guns 2. That soundtrack was kind of good. But God, can you imagine like living on a prayer for fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger? No, no, no.
00:37:57
Jo
So Robert Patton is just, Robert, who plays the the new Terminator, like the liquid metal one, was like, nah, all this shit is shit, man.
00:38:04
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:38:08
Jo
You got to get someone with balls for this fucking movie. for the soundtrack, and they did. They s switched it out. And I think that works for the favor of Tron Ares as well. They could have gone some soft-ass shit and would have flopped.
00:38:22
Jo
The soundtrack made the last movie. The soundtrack makes this movie.
00:38:26
Amelie
Yes.
00:38:28
Jo
Like, the the sound and the color. and It's all these little things. That's what saying. Jerry Little, yeah, he's one of the protagonists, sort of, But he doesn't hold a candle to the fucking sound and the color and the action, all the other things that go with it. He could be some, he could be Owen Wilson.
00:38:50
Jo
And I love Owen Wilson.
00:38:52
Amelie
No, but he played very well.
00:38:52
Jo
Now I want to watch this movie for Owen Wilson.
00:38:54
Amelie
I think he played with it very well ai because he asked questions. He talked to this big head who is actually the controller, which is the CEO, who could just answer where his questions and stuff.
00:39:01
Jo
Yeah.
00:39:08
Amelie
And that's really interesting because ah he asked questions to him and he questioned, etc., because he's different from the other. He's an anomaly. He feels feelings, you know what I mean?
00:39:19
Jo
yeah
00:39:20
Amelie
But to say an actor... does not have influence on the movie I disagree I agree to disagree because there is so many movies like for example terminate
00:39:31
Jo
I never agreed to disagree with you.
00:39:32
Amelie
ha
00:39:32
Jo
The shit. You can only agree to disagree if I actually agree to disagree too.
00:39:36
Amelie
okay okay okay disagree to disagree okay if you think so now look for example terminator 2 is great for the storylines the music etc but also for the bad guy
00:39:37
Jo
i um I disagree to disagree.
00:39:41
Jo
don't care.
00:39:50
Amelie
the The actor who plays a bad guy, just he len that's a legend, but apparently he trained himself to shoot without being a king. So really to be into it. And he did an amazing bad guy.
00:39:50
Jo
Yeah, Robert Patterson.
00:40:04
Amelie
It's great. Or for example, if you take Back to the Future, it was normally somebody else to play Marty McFry. Eric Schultz.
00:40:13
Jo
Yeah, no that have worked at all.
00:40:14
Amelie
Yeah? So they change. And... All the movie can change from an actor to another. So I'm like, yes and no. Sometimes the actor makes everything.
00:40:26
Amelie
Like Luke Legev, for example, who plays um
00:40:36
Amelie
play versus Batman. Amazing. Amazing. He made it. He like really gave the source.
00:40:42
Jo
Yeah,
00:40:44
Amelie
Just one actor, one bad guy, one thing, one hero, and bang, it changed everything.
00:40:50
Jo
yeah I'm gonna get some shit for this. I kept saying Robert Patterson. I know it's Robert Patrick. Sorry, Robert. I fucked your name up. Join the list of people whose names I fucked up. But yeah, because Robert Patrick plays the T-1000 beautifully.
00:41:05
Jo
But he's also the one who pushes for good music in that movie. The music the original movie had ah shit music. Terminator Chirro originally had shit music before it got released.
00:41:16
Jo
Patterson or something, Patterson, fuck me. Robert Patrick. Robert, you can beat my ass next time I see you.
00:41:23
Jo
pushed for that soundtrack in Terminator 2. And that gives the movie the vibe. So, sure, if you take Robert Patrick out and put Robert Patterson in it, apparently my fucking mouth keeps doing, it would be a different fucking movie. I get No, I get it. Some things absolutely does matter for that.
00:41:42
Jo
I'm just saying for Tron Aries, Jared Leto could have been ah different actor. It wouldn't matter that much for that role. As long as it was able to get the warmth out of like the AI, right?
00:41:56
Jo
Make it believable at questioning.
00:41:57
Amelie
True. True.
00:41:59
Jo
ah That's what I was saying. I don't i didn't mean like like...
00:42:00
Amelie
Yes.
00:42:01
Jo
I wouldn't watch Iron Man with fucking Will Smith. Wouldn't give a shit.
00:42:06
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:42:07
Jo
I'm like, no, this is looks looks like shit. You know, Will Smith did a Superman movie. No one watched it.
00:42:13
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:42:14
Jo
You know why? it was shit.
00:42:17
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:42:18
Jo
And it was like, cares? Who cares? Golden Child. Have you ever seen Golden Child, Eddie Murphy?
00:42:27
Jo
Oh, you should watch it. It's pretty fucking good. But B, it was supposed to be with Mel Gibson. And because they went with Eddie Murphy, the script changes a bit. And so it becomes a vastly different movie than what the original intended to be.
00:42:41
Amelie
Ah, is it the movie Hank you watch you didn't watch with Will Smith? Hank.
00:42:47
Jo
Yeah, Hank, I think it was shit as well. But was thinking of something else.
00:42:51
Amelie
Oh.
00:42:51
Jo
I was thinking maybe, hold on. Oh, man, man, a steal. It might have been, boy.
00:43:00
Jo
Yeah.
00:43:04
Amelie
Because I really like Hank. It's about a superhero who is not a good superhero. And it's hilarious. It's really good. They're actually Greek gods who just resuscitate all the time.
00:43:13
Jo
yeah
00:43:17
Amelie
They have super power. And he's victim of amnesia.
00:43:19
Jo
But they have to be apart.
00:43:21
Amelie
And he's a trump.
00:43:22
Jo
Yeah, it doesn't... But it's just kind formulaic shit, I guess. I was thinking of... God, there's another one I was thinking of, but I do know what you're talking about, Hank. It was... Okay.
00:43:37
Jo
And this I love some Will Smith movies, but I just don't think it worked really well for that. You know, for Tron, if you put Will Smith as, if you put Will Smith as Ares, it still works for me.
00:43:57
Jo
You know what mean? Because I think Will Smith has that humanity that's needed for this.
00:43:58
Amelie
Yeah.
00:44:01
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:44:02
Jo
If you put, let's say, arguably a younger Mel Gibson in this, like Lethal Weapon Age in this movie, it still works for me.
00:44:11
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:44:13
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:44:14
Jo
It still works me. Andrew Garfield. still works for me. Actually, Andrew Garfield would have a good idea for this anyways. But if, like I'm saying, it doesn't really matter who you put as an Aries. Who plays Aries. It didn't really matter.
00:44:27
Jo
it's As long as he's competent enough or she's competent enough to pull it off. It could have been a woman.
00:44:35
Jo
Angelina Jolie could be Aries. And I'll watch the shit out of that movie. Mila Jovovich could be Ares.
00:44:42
Amelie
Yeah.
00:44:43
Jo
Why not? She did enough fucking Resident Evils.
00:44:46
Amelie
Yes, it's true.
00:44:46
Jo
You know? She could have pulled this shit together and just done an amazing job at it. Keanu Reeves, probably because the beard, would have nailed the shit out of this movie.
00:44:52
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:44:57
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:44:58
Jo
So, like, Jared Leto maybe didn't bring much, but he surely didn't detract from the movie.
00:45:07
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:45:09
Jo
And I think he gets on that the movie gets unfairly blamed for hiring an actor.
00:45:16
Jo
likes It's a really weird cultural thing.
00:45:18
Amelie
But they're all famous. They're all famous. Like even the guy who plays The Soldier Who Get Hurt and Not Resuscitate, he plays a Gallagher in Shameless, the series.
00:45:32
Amelie
He's a brother, Gallagher.
00:45:33
Jo
Oh, is he?
00:45:33
Amelie
The red ginger guy, he's a Gallagher brother.
00:45:34
Jo
and then Which Shameless? Emily, which Shameless?
00:45:37
Amelie
Shameless, America.
00:45:38
Jo
The American one?
00:45:39
Amelie
Shameless, America.
00:45:39
Jo
yeah i didn't really watch either one, but yeah.
00:45:43
Amelie
They're all famous.
00:45:44
Jo
It's a popular movie.
00:45:44
Amelie
like I recognize every actor playing in the movie. in the movie
00:45:50
Jo
Yeah, and maybe that that was my Evan Peters. Like, oh my god, Evan Peters in this one. You're like, oh my god, the dude from Shameless is in it. and you You have lot of great... Jillian Anderson's this movie.
00:46:04
Jo
I, I, after through all saying all this, I forgot Jillian Anderson's in this movie. And I do think it should be Jillian Anderson for the mom because she pulls it off so fucking well with her present, just her fucking presence.
00:46:14
Amelie
Yeah.
00:46:16
Jo
You can see this person grew up wealthy.
00:46:19
Amelie
And...
00:46:20
Jo
You can see this person was looking up for their kid. It can see this person going, Oh, we've gone too fucking far. And it matters for, again, spoilers alert, when she gets killed, it fucking matters.
00:46:35
Amelie
yeah
00:46:36
Jo
And you feel it. like You're like, oh shit. Where another person probably wouldn't care. I wouldn't care that much. But Gillian Anderson brings a lot to the movie.
00:46:42
Amelie
and Yeah, and if you know her career, you know she was in X-File, so she was always in the geeky stuff.
00:46:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:46:49
Amelie
So seeing her playing a woman who is retired, who is with her son, and she's rich, and she's got all this knowledge and stuff, and she kind of failed when she was the CEO because Harris said, yes, you did this, you did that, you gave birth to him.
00:47:05
Jo
Yeah,
00:47:06
Amelie
and wanted It went a little bit down in percentage during your your work as a CEO. He took over because he's a It's his turn to take care of the company. I'm like, yes, it makes sense.
00:47:18
Amelie
She's good at it. She's good.
00:47:21
Jo
yeah it makes sense. And that another person is really good in this and oddly also from sex education, who Jillian Anders is from, as well as, you know, X-Files. It's Jodie Turner Smith.
00:47:36
Jo
She plays Aries Jesus. She plays Athena.
00:47:40
Jo
And she's really good at Athena. And I think this is one where has to be her to be this good.
00:47:48
Amelie
yep
00:47:48
Jo
I think what she brings to Athena is this. I'm a soldier. I have to follow. i have to comply. And then during war, Ares goes the other way by seeing how the master controller treats the programs.
00:48:03
Jo
She goes like, no, I still have my original fucking mission.
00:48:06
Amelie
Yes, and she plays very well the machine. She's beautiful, she's strong, she's a strong female character, there is no sexualization about her, she has doubts
00:48:09
Jo
Yes.
00:48:16
Jo
No.
00:48:17
Amelie
towards the boss because he likes the Asian woman and the other CEO, but he's really weird.
00:48:25
Jo
Yeah.
00:48:28
Amelie
He acts really weird. He doesn't answer correctly her question and she just follows the order, follows the point, etc. She's bim, bada, boom. What do you want? I'm doing this.
00:48:39
Amelie
Okay.
00:48:39
Jo
yeah
00:48:40
Amelie
And I really like the way ah the CEO interacts with Athena because it's like, do it no matter what. I give you his white card.
00:48:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:48:49
Amelie
And she does it.
00:48:49
Jo
That's it.
00:48:51
Amelie
And when she kills the mother, sorry, yeah she kills the mother, um he looked at her and was like, why No matter what, you gave the order, so I took in charge, you're not in charge anymore, till they're all dead.
00:49:08
Amelie
And he realized he's fucking in, and he destroyed everyone, stopped the program, etc.
00:49:08
Jo
Yeah.
00:49:13
Amelie
etc ah But that's really interesting, the You say that, I follow. And it's interesting because the movie really puts the question of we are humans using more and more AI, robotic, Android technology.
00:49:19
Jo
Yeah.
00:49:30
Amelie
ah We can talk to a computer, form characters, etc. etc ah
00:49:34
Jo
Yeah. That's it.
00:49:35
Amelie
What's the difference between somebody who is human and what's the difference with somebody who is AI? Like the humanity, can you create humanity. You can create a robot with two hands, you can do android arm and be linked to the brain. It's great. It's amazing for people.
00:49:53
Amelie
But what makes the difference between an android and a human being? Can you create humanity? And you can see the difference between Aris is like, why should I do that?
00:50:00
Jo
Absolutely.
00:50:06
Amelie
Who has feelings, pity, empathy, question, etc.? And her who's like, oh, you told me to do this, this, this. Okay, I'm going to do it. I'm a robot. Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.
00:50:17
Amelie
There is this question more and more when you walk in office and there is a lot of joke on Instagram, TikTok, et cetera, of people, so it's Kate getting fired by AI.
00:50:28
Amelie
Hi, I'm Billy. I'm employed by the company. I did the calculation. So if you're on the video, you're all fired. Bye-bye. You know, things like that. It's really funny. But you're like, okay,
00:50:41
Amelie
A robot would fire you because, you know, percentage, na-na-nee, na-na-na, and this is the answer.
00:50:44
Jo
It doesn't care. Yeah. yeah
00:50:48
Amelie
Somebody who's human would be like, that person has three kids, that person's been working for the company for 10 years, let's see if we cannot move them to somewhere else. You see what I mean? There's this empathy, this thing like that.
00:50:59
Amelie
ah In iRobot with Will Smith, there is this car accident where you find out he had bad car accident. He droned with two other family.
00:51:11
Amelie
And the robot decided to save him because there was a high percentage of survival compared to the other girl. And the other girl was not hurt or anything. So she died drowning in her car.
00:51:23
Jo
Yeah.
00:51:24
Amelie
And it's like, I don't like robots. I like the idea of they clean dishes, they do things, etc. But then taking the decision over us because there is a percentage of, I don't like that.
00:51:39
Amelie
And that's when you watch the movie and you see the two characters, one with more human, one with just order, order, order. You're like, okay, there is a little message with ah the danger of it.
00:51:52
Jo
Yeah, and that's actually based on our reality now. I was talking to someone who his job's going to be programming the Tesla cars.
00:52:05
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:52:06
Jo
And part of that is an ethical issue because if the Tesla is a self-driving car, that's the that's what he's programming right now.
00:52:15
Jo
Who do you crash into? If the car is forced to make a decision on crashing the into a pole or crashing into grandma, who do you save?
00:52:28
Jo
You have to kill somebody. Who do you save? And that is an actual ethical issue for AI right now. Because that that that's in implementing into self-driving.
Ethical Dilemmas in AI Programming
00:52:40
Jo
It has to make those fucking decisions. Who do you save, Will Smith or the other person? You only save one. So that's the world we're entering into, if not already there.
00:52:52
Jo
And, you we can name a bunch of people, but I wanted i also wanted a name from Yellow Jackets, Sarah Desjardins. I think I use her a bank for my insurance, actually.
00:53:07
Jo
Oh, she probably heard that joke a bazillion times. Sorry, Sarah. Again, another person who's playing a role in Tron Aries that brings so much to the role, it's hard to understand without, right?
00:53:21
Jo
You have all these things. I love watching this movie. It wasn't the best movie ever seen. No, not by a long shot. Was the best movie i've seen this year?
00:53:33
Jo
No, not for me. Not by a long shot. Was the best movie I saw in a theaters lately? No, not for me, not by a long shot. But I also saw some fucking great movies this year.
00:53:45
Jo
and I'm very fortunate with that. I would put this above the second Tron and probably below the first. I still think the first Tron, just because of the imagination it took to make that into a movie, a concept, a world, and a vision like that, and how much came true, I think the original Tron of 1982 still holds up as the best one.
00:54:10
Jo
But this is a close second to me. Sean Aries is a close second. And i think it'll do better numbers once it hits home video to Disney Plus. I'm guessing goes to Disney Plus first.
00:54:22
Jo
I think it does better numbers on streaming than it's going to do worldwide right now. I think to people who are bitching that Gerald Ledger's got a job, I think y'all need to shut the fuck up.
00:54:35
Jo
um he's The company's the big boy. They want to hire who they want to hire. Great. Don't want to watch it. Don't fucking watch it. But I don't think it's right for people to say he shouldn't have a job ever.
00:54:49
Jo
That's how he makes money. He needs to eat. Believe it or not, people, Jared Leto is not fucking Hitler. You know who Hitler is? Fucking Hitler. That's why he's named Hitler.
00:55:01
Jo
Everyone else ain't fucking Hitler. Stop comparing people to Hitler. Thank you. End my fucking TED Talk. So, yeah, if you had who if you have Justin Bieber in this, I'd be like, fuck, i don't want to watch this piece of shit.
00:55:16
Jo
I just don't like Justin Bieber. But I'm never going to say Justin Bieber shouldn't be in a movie because he also deserves a right to a job. If they want to put him in, fucking put him in.
00:55:29
Jo
and might not watch it, but not out of all the things. if If Justin Bieber was Ares, would you watch it?
00:55:37
Amelie
Yes, still.
00:55:38
Jo
Me too. And that's my point. Aries could be anyone. If Justin Bieber was Iron Man, I'm not watching that. It has to be our, you know, Robert Downey Jr. That was the perfect one. Justin Bieber is Aries.
00:55:50
Jo
I wouldn't give a fuck. I'm like, I don't like Justin Bieber. Don't want to really watch any of his movies if he had one, but man whatever. Don't care.
00:56:00
Amelie
ah You can be disappointed, you know, for example, or do you remember when I found out 2
00:56:00
Jo
I'll still go.
00:56:05
Amelie
would be with Lady Gaga, I'm like, oh, come on, I don't want Lady Gaga, like, and na-na-na-ni, and na-na-na.
00:56:09
Jo
I loved it.
00:56:12
Amelie
It turns out the movie was not what we were expected to be.
00:56:15
Jo
No, it was a fucking musical.
00:56:17
Amelie
Yeah.
00:56:18
Jo
It was ah what no one expected to be. Everyone expected to be good. It was a piece of shit.
00:56:22
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:56:22
Jo
Not because Lady Gaga's in it.
00:56:23
Amelie
Yeah.
00:56:25
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:56:25
Jo
Again, the writing was abysmal.
00:56:27
Amelie
Yeah, and he did.
00:56:28
Jo
The directing was like, what the fuck are you doing?
00:56:29
Amelie
Mm-hmm. And apparently the legend said he did it in purpose.
00:56:34
Jo
Yeah, I know. i know. Of course, have to own it. Like, ah, why have a good sequel? Let's purposely bomb it. Like, well you know, because you want a third one, motherfucker. Because you want to work again. That's why you should do a good sequel.
00:56:48
Jo
But yeah, I didn't really care about the Jared Little haters. Like, I don't like the guy either. But it's not going to stop me from watching a movie. Now...
00:57:00
Jo
Another thing I heard about this movie was it's so woke. It's got so much AI wokeness in it. It's so blah, blah, blah,
Criticism and Enjoyment of Movies
00:57:08
Amelie
No, not at all.
00:57:08
Jo
AI.
00:57:09
Jo
Exactly.
00:57:09
Amelie
Not at all.
00:57:10
Jo
for What the fuck movie they're watching?
00:57:12
Amelie
Not sexual. There is no sex. I would watch that movie with my kids.
00:57:15
Jo
No sex. but No, no, AI. AI woke. AI, artificial intelligence and woke.
00:57:21
Amelie
No, but that...
00:57:21
Jo
Not sex.
00:57:22
Amelie
Yes, there is no sexual... That's what I say.
00:57:25
Jo
I didn't say sex.
00:57:25
Amelie
There is... There is no homosexual, there is no I'm binary something something, no.
00:57:28
Jo
Oh.
00:57:31
Jo
Oh, you're talking as woke. You're doing woke as sexual identity. Okay, was like, no, that means something else in America, honey.
00:57:34
Amelie
Wait, what is that?
00:57:40
Jo
That's like one thumbnail of woke. Yeah, but AI is like the whole... AI, not AI, we know what that is. ah Wokeness as in they are propagating that AI is going be the end or the best part of humanity or some bullshit that has to do with equal...
00:58:00
Jo
beyond equal rights to everyone that has to get like, oh my God, you you went somewhere in 1952 and then 1500 years ago, you you went something that, must give you some shit, whatever it's to be. I think that's what the new current definition of woke is.
00:58:16
Jo
It's hard to explain because it keeps changing.
00:58:20
Jo
But not just the, I see what you're saying about the gender and sexuality. and the i so I see that too. i understand what you're saying. not thought you were just talking about sexuality.
00:58:26
Amelie
i watch I watch the movie and what I really like about the movie is it's a beautiful rainbow in the sense you have an Asian woman ah dark skinned man i you have white people together like it's not just white people there is a lot of color and I like that simple as it yeah which normal I really like it it's not pushy
00:58:44
Jo
Yes. Right, which is not woke. but It's not. It's just normal.
00:58:53
Amelie
Like, it makes sense. When I go out in Prague, I see this group of people. I see Kazakh people, with Russian people, with Americans, with French people, with German. Yeah, great, amazing.
00:59:05
Amelie
Everybody is there like this, working together. and my company, we have people from all around the world, and we're doing coding and stuff like that.
00:59:11
Jo
Right.
00:59:13
Amelie
Like, I see that every day, and it makes complete sense, and I really like that.
00:59:19
Jo
Thank you.
00:59:19
Amelie
And the main character who is... Athena, she's fantastic, she's beautiful, she's strong, she's straight to the point, and she's not a caricature. She is great. She could have been played by a man.
00:59:33
Jo
Sure, could have been.
00:59:33
Amelie
She could have been played by man.
00:59:33
Jo
Like I saw errors could be played by women, yeah.
00:59:36
Amelie
yeah
00:59:37
Jo
and And that's exactly...
00:59:37
Amelie
and
00:59:39
Jo
and that's it. That's what I think when people are saying woke. I'm like, I don't get it. They also said woke for Superman because... What was the argument? The guy that originally saved Superman like in the first 10 minutes, basically it doesn't save him, just picks him from the fucking concrete, was...
00:59:53
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:59:56
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:59:58
Jo
Oh, God. Afghani? i don't even know. He wasn't white. He was like...
01:00:03
Amelie
Dude, when you go on the street in Montreal to get food, where do you go?
01:00:06
Jo
No shit. Exactly.
01:00:10
Amelie
huh I've got my husband who...
01:00:11
Jo
I go to the fucking, where do I go?
01:00:13
Amelie
Yeah.
01:00:13
Jo
I go to the fucking falafel stand in Oxford because there's actually a great philosopher a falafel truck in Oxford.
01:00:16
Amelie
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
01:00:20
Jo
It's a bit by, oh God, what's the fucking pub's name? Probably Cock and Balls or something like that. It's by this nowhere place. They have the best falafels in the world. That's where I go for food.
01:00:32
Amelie
Yeah, you go for a kebab, you go for a falafel, you go to the Indian, you go to the Afghani to eat a good kebab, like, dude, it's reality.
01:00:44
Amelie
It's this kind of people who are really lovely.
01:00:44
Jo
And yes.
01:00:47
Amelie
Like when you, in Prague, we have a lot of Vietnamese who have little shops.
01:00:49
Jo
Well, people are lovely.
01:00:52
Amelie
We call it, we don't call it the Vietnamese shop. We call it, in Czech, it's,
01:01:04
Jo
As we search our memories.
01:01:05
Amelie
now have a blank as we said in French.
01:01:08
Jo
Welcome to old age. It happens to you too.
01:01:09
Amelie
oh um it's because I speak English a lot. I'm going to the... Well, we're going to this little shop and there is a lot of Vietnamese, of course.
01:01:25
Amelie
And these people are the ones who are like, oh, you you are five euro missing.
01:01:27
Jo
Little Hanoi.
01:01:29
Amelie
It's okay. come tomorrow and you bring me the five euro, it's fine, or you need some milk, we open, etc. Because they open all the time.
01:01:37
Jo
Yeah.
01:01:38
Amelie
And this guy, see him on the street. Like, I'm going to, you know what I mean?
01:01:41
Jo
Yeah. And that's the thing.
01:01:43
Amelie
No, no, it's reality.
01:01:43
Jo
That's what I I had the argument too.
01:01:45
Amelie
Yeah.
01:01:45
Jo
i had the argument too. I'm like, no, I was more like, you you notice what color he was.
01:01:53
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:01:53
Jo
He plays a... This role lasts for like four minutes of screen time in a two-hour movie.
01:01:58
Amelie
Yeah.
01:01:59
Jo
Why the fuck are you paying attention to that? That's weird. it was like
01:02:03
Amelie
It's a guy on the street.
01:02:03
Jo
Like, what the shit?
01:02:04
Amelie
It's like the taxi man or the guy who sells hot dogs and stuff. like
01:02:08
Jo
Yeah, I think it was like a hot dog seller, right?
01:02:08
Amelie
Why is that a problem?
01:02:10
Amelie
you know
01:02:10
Jo
Yeah, it was like a falafel guy.
01:02:11
Jo
Anyways. But yeah, that's what some people are saying. Superman was woke because of that. i'm like, no, Like the ultra powerful white dude, like that one, that's Superman.
01:02:18
Amelie
not
01:02:22
Jo
That's, that's weird. So I heard the wokeness for the movie. We were talking about like Tron Aries as well. And I don't see anything woke up about it.
01:02:37
Jo
It's just showing the world how, like, because the main leads Asian, I like, well, what the fuck we are on now? You know,
01:02:47
Amelie
The medley is Asian. A friend is from India, Pakistan. There is a guy who comes with her and he's Latino.
01:02:56
Jo
It's a white dude.
01:02:57
Amelie
Like, it's different culture.
01:02:59
Jo
Like Jeff Bridges is still white.
01:03:01
Amelie
It's real. It's real.
01:03:02
Jo
If I remember correctly.
01:03:03
Amelie
Like, it's reality.
01:03:04
Jo
Yeah.
01:03:04
Amelie
The problem is, and I'm going to be the devil advocate, when you watch movies from the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and eighty The cast is white.
01:03:15
Amelie
You have one black guy and often there is a joke in France when you watch American movies from the 80s and it's ah it's a it's a scary movie, you know.
01:03:16
Jo
Yeah.
01:03:29
Amelie
There is always one black dude. His name is Jackson and he dies after five minutes when the movie starts.
01:03:33
Jo
He's going to die first. Yeah. Well, it's not even a French joke.
01:03:36
Amelie
That's...
01:03:37
Jo
I mean, that's that's the whole point. Like, the black guy dies in the first five minutes.
01:03:42
Amelie
Yeah, voilà.
01:03:43
Jo
Usually.
01:03:43
Amelie
Easy peasy, lemon squeezy, or the black guy he's a best friend of.
01:03:45
Jo
Trope.
01:03:47
Amelie
you know It's always the second boom.
01:03:49
Jo
Right.
01:03:50
Amelie
And it's really interesting. Nowadays, there is more and more series with people from different skin color, different background, different from culture. um There is an Indian-American actress who was explaining, when you watch TV in the 90s or 2000, when you're a teenager, you see Laura with a beautiful blonde hair, you know,
01:04:13
Amelie
who is walking on the screen and she takes all the cool role.
01:04:13
Jo
yeah
01:04:18
Amelie
And the Indian girl, she's just really good in mathematics. And the Asian girl, she just gives help for, ah how can I say, for the homework or stuff like that.
01:04:23
Jo
She's a secretary.
01:04:28
Amelie
And there is always a sexy Latina, but just because she has a big ass and that's all, and she does food and that's all.
01:04:29
Jo
Yeah.
01:04:34
Amelie
Or you're the black girl who is just a sidekick. And they give this interview, you know, and the way they describe it, you're like,
01:04:38
Jo
The sidekick. Clueless.
01:04:42
Amelie
Oh, you know what I mean? Like, you're like, oh, because you're like, oh, no, no, no, it's false. In the 2000, I remember, Hilary Duff and her best friend and this other movie. And you stop for a moment. You're like, oh, they're just a sidekick.
01:05:00
Jo
Yeah, that's that's basically Stacey Dash and Clueless. And I love Clueless.
01:05:03
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:05:04
Jo
Paul Rudd, Alicia Silverstone, Brittany Murphy, and Stacey Dash are in this movie.
01:05:08
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:05:08
Jo
But Stacey Dash is just the cool, psychic friend that's as high as she went in Clueless, right?
01:05:12
Amelie
yeah
01:05:16
Amelie
The series, the first series where you can see, two series, you can see a black African actor having a role who is very important.
01:05:31
Amelie
It's Staski and Hutch, from the French point of view. Staski and Hutch, because their boss is black. And the second one, it's me Miami Vice.
01:05:42
Amelie
Miami Vice.
01:05:42
Jo
Wait, the the boss is black in Stark Street and Hutch?
01:05:46
Amelie
Yep.
01:05:47
Jo
The boss.
01:05:48
Amelie
yeah Yep.
01:05:49
Jo
Oh, that it's been a while. No, man, it's been a while. It's been a minute. You are correct. ah Bernie Hamilton.
01:05:59
Jo
Bernie Hamilton. But he's born in L.A., man. He's American-American. Stop this African-American shit. He's American-American.
01:06:10
Amelie
Okay, it's black.
01:06:12
Jo
go
01:06:13
Amelie
but He's black. It's better like this black because I don't know if we can use still African-American. If I can say black. Can I say black?
01:06:19
Jo
Well, here's the thing. Watch, watch, watch, watch. You ever watch The Walking Dead?
01:06:23
Amelie
Yes.
01:06:25
Jo
ah Do you know the guy Morgan?
01:06:28
Amelie
Yes.
01:06:29
Jo
Okay. Would Morgan be, for you, African American?
01:06:38
Jo
the The actual actor, not the character Morgan.
01:06:42
Amelie
Sure.
01:06:44
Jo
Okay. Why?
01:06:50
Jo
He's fucking British. He's neither African nor American. He's fucking British.
01:06:54
Amelie
Yeah, but the problem is, I don't know how to say, i don't know how to say, oh, that person is black. You know what I mean? I don't know if it's bald-eyed.
01:07:00
Jo
He just did it.
01:07:01
Amelie
Can I say black? Can I say, because in French, you say, it's noir.
01:07:03
Jo
I guess. I don't know. You just you keep saying it.
01:07:04
Amelie
Voilà.
01:07:05
Jo
We're either going to get sued or fucking is okay.
01:07:08
Amelie
I'm white like an ass, guys. So, black, white like an ass. Let's go.
01:07:13
Jo
I don't But yeah, I get what you mean. I just, the whole political correctness says, now we're assuming people's ethnic identity. I'm not saying you, I'm saying as the whole PC bullshit we lost against.
01:07:21
Amelie
It's just I don't want to say something stupid and, how can I say, be disrespectful.
01:07:23
Jo
But,
01:07:26
Amelie
I don't know how to say it because when I go to high school and university, they say to us, you cannot say black, you need to say African-American, like this actress is an African-American.
01:07:38
Amelie
That's the way we were taught at university.
01:07:40
Jo
yeah, I know. But the funny thing is like,
01:07:42
Amelie
So...
01:07:43
Jo
Lenny James isn't fucking American.
01:07:45
Amelie
Yeah, he's black.
01:07:45
Jo
He's British. You can call him British British. If really want.
01:07:50
Amelie
A black person.
01:07:51
Amelie
Voilà.
01:07:51
Jo
I don't know.
01:07:52
Jo
But that's the thing. like I think what we're saying is as the internet exists, as air travel starts existing, as international TV starts happening, lo and behold, we find out there's other people out there.
01:08:09
Jo
And not everyone's all white. It's okay. okay. However, with that said, and, you know, there is an issue I do have with some of this.
01:08:23
Jo
And I think there is a, I think there is a argument for Hollywood being woke.
01:08:23
Amelie
Tell me.
01:08:31
Jo
I think there is an argument, not the entire Hollywood, not don't mean everything, but I think there is a wokeness in Hollywood that they try to manipulate to get box office. For example, there was a don't even remember the name of the movie but box human and i had a big disagreement about it it was an all-gay bachelor party movie i don't honestly god don't remember the title came out like three years ago i think And I was like, wow, this looks like a piece of shit.
01:09:04
Jo
Just a piece of fucking shit. i Just from the previews. At first, I thought they were making fun of gay people. like, oh that's shitty. And then I found out, like, no, no, no. They're all really gay people. I'm like, yeah, but the movie's just shit then.
01:09:17
Jo
Even when they're making fun of people, like, oh, that's just shitty. And a shit movie. Now it's just a shit movie. And I was not going to fucking see it. There was, like, no way. And Box got in it with me because, like If you don't see it, you don't support it, they won't make more movies like it. I'm like, shitty movies? Great.
01:09:37
Jo
I hope and they help they do fucking stop making shitty movies. That'd be awesome. Like, I don't know, game movies. I'm like, no, I don't play that shit, man. That's some bullshit right there.
01:09:48
Jo
Like, I don't have to spend my dollars on shit stuff.
01:09:49
Amelie
There are gay series, look at El World or Queer as Folk, it was gay series where popular in the 2000s. Like saying, oh, there is no gay movies. There's a lot of gay movies. There's a lot of subculture of actors and characters who are gay and they're famous, but they're not the center of the story.
01:10:11
Jo
Yeah. But that that's for me, that's what, and another part would be woke would be ah one of the latter episodes, one of the latter seasons of Doctor Who, it was, haven't God, Bill Potts.
01:10:23
Jo
And I like the actress. the weird thing for Bill Potts to me. I like the actress who plays her.
01:10:28
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:10:31
Jo
I'm trying to get the fucking name in my mind. Pearl Mackey. But every fucking time she had to mention she's black and mention she's gay. I'm like, I don't fucking care. We can we can see one.
01:10:47
Jo
We can see one, motherfucker. And I don't care what your sexual orientation is. don't fucking care. it if it comes up in the plot, naturally, great. But if you have to shoehorn her every fucking time, it becomes annoying.
01:11:01
Amelie
I think in 10-15 years people will look back on movie and series from all time, from the 2020, and laugh when they're like, oh, here comes the traditional, I'm gay, I'm binary, I wear purple hair and stuff and stuff.
01:11:16
Jo
Yeah.
01:11:18
Amelie
Like, it's too much on the nose.
01:11:21
Jo
Yeah, and that's the thing. When people are saying that about Tron Aries, I'm like, who?
01:11:28
Amelie
Yeah, where?
01:11:31
Jo
What movie were you fucking watching? because like the blue One guy's blue, one guy's red? is Is that it? Is that the fucking wokeness in this movie? like Oh no, he can't be a blue guy. he has to be the red guy now.
01:11:43
Jo
I didn't see wokeness in this movie. I don't fucking know. And I don't see a lot of, like, you have to read into the AI thing.
01:11:55
Jo
I get it. AI is i on everyone's fucking minds. it It's, it's the trajectory of the future or not. Who in the fuck knows? But can't you just enjoy a goddamn action film?
01:12:06
Amelie
Yeah.
01:12:07
Jo
That's PG 13. You can take your kids to. Can't you just like shut the fuck up and enjoy the special effects for a minute? You know? Not everything's political.
01:12:20
Jo
Yeah, I can show you how to put a political lens on this movie. That's obvious. But damn, just watch a fucking movie as because it's a fucking movie for once and enjoy your shit.
IMAX 3D Experience and Recommendations
01:12:31
Jo
You had popcorn at the movie theater, right?
01:12:33
Amelie
yeah
01:12:34
Jo
You had a big fucking, or in America, a small fucking drink, right?
01:12:39
Amelie
Yeah.
01:12:40
Jo
A medium. We'll get you had a medium drink from America. You saw... I'm jealous because I didn't get to see it 3D. I was... And then they just kind of yanked the fucking schedule. You saw it in 3D IMAX, yeah?
01:12:51
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:12:52
Jo
And I saw it in flat. I still think it works as well, but I can imagine how much colorful and light this would be fucking 3D IMAX.
01:12:59
Amelie
C'était génial.
01:13:01
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:01
Amelie
Like, to see the mask just next to you and the lather and stuff with the music and stuff.
01:13:06
Jo
Yeah.
01:13:07
Amelie
Ah!
01:13:08
Jo
I might have to go back for that one in 3D IMAX.
01:13:08
Amelie
And when they start to act the computer with all the effect and the sound and the coding passing seeing around you, oh, I loved it.
01:13:17
Jo
Yeah.
01:13:18
Amelie
I was like, yeah, that's the best, best way to watch the movie.
01:13:22
Jo
Yeah, and that's it. It's like the old, a God, i think it was called Interstellar. And Duncan Jones was talking about this long time ago. with me And he's like, you have to go see it in IMAX 3D because this is basically what IMAX 3D is invented for, putting you out in the middle of outer space.
01:13:39
Jo
And of course, my ass got, I couldn't go whatever. And they, you know, I didn't get to see it. So now Tron Ares, damn it. I'm um trying to get this one hardcore in 3D IMAX. I'll try to see where it is still playing and do it.
01:13:53
Jo
Because I think you're right. I think this would make a fantastic IMAX experience. And we're talking about before, like, would you have to watch this movie in the theater versus home?
01:14:04
Jo
You watch this motherfucker in the theater.
01:14:05
Amelie
Yes.
01:14:07
Jo
This is like a James Bond. You watch this in the theater because of the special effects, because of the soundtrack, because of all, especially with 3D man, because of all this shit that's going to come at you.
01:14:21
Jo
It is a fucking theater movie. I'm not saying you won't enjoy it watching a Disney Plus off your TV set, but fuck, you're going to get so much more just by watching
01:14:24
Amelie
yes
01:14:34
Jo
you know Especially if you were old enough to see the original Tron in the theaters. Man.
Character Development and Sequel Potential
01:14:41
Jo
like The Easter eggs, especially at the end, they just bring back so much to you.
01:14:48
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:14:49
Jo
And the Beyond Credits scene at the end, which, again, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, Evan Peters' character becomes fucking...
01:15:01
Jo
The Dillinger character at the end of our beginning of Tron, right? He becomes a great segue to a sequel.
01:15:14
Jo
This absolutely can have a sequel. He becomes the character. And I'm trying to say if it's Master Controller, I can't really remember the name right now.
01:15:28
Amelie
I think you're right, Master Controller. yeah
01:15:28
Jo
Do you remember the name?
01:15:33
Jo
i and they they And they do the entire breakdown with Flynn's laser and all sorts of shit. It has this awesome, awesome part.
01:15:48
Jo
ah Sark, Theriot. Sark was the original villain from Tron.
01:15:55
Jo
is amazing Easter eggs. Again, spoiler alert. I guess, right? My bad. I said see it, now I just bought the shit for you, but whatever.
01:16:02
Amelie
Oh, the sound.
01:16:04
Jo
Yeah.
01:16:05
Amelie
The sound also. When I was in the theater, so it's really IMAX and it's very noisy. Bing, bing, bing, etc. And I eat my popcorn.
Sound Design and Movie Enjoyment Tips
01:16:13
Amelie
When you have the scene with the first game, the first tron, with everything is purple and stuff, I had to stop eating my popcorn because it was quiet.
01:16:20
Jo
Yeah.
01:16:23
Jo
Yeah.
01:16:27
Amelie
The sound changed. So they changed the sound in accordance of the game and I was like this is so great you have the impression to be in a box it was really really good I was listening and
01:16:37
Jo
Yeah. oh that's wonderful. But I get that. I'm the same fucking way, right? It was like a Black Phone 2 pissed me off because it got quiet for a minute. I'm like, God damn, i just want some fucking popcorn right now.
01:16:52
Jo
Like, why you gotta be so fucking quiet at the movie theater? I'm glad you brought that up. But that's exactly it. It sucks you in. The movie sucks you in. And don't fight it. Don't fucking fight it. it's It's a movie.
01:17:06
Jo
Don't try to overanalyze where AI is going from a fucking movie. Don't try to say it's woke or not woke. Don't give a shit. Jerry Leto. Unless Jerry Leto did something personally to you, you need to shut the fuck up.
01:17:16
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:17:19
Jo
You know? And if he did something personally to you, then you need to talk about that shit. You need to bring that up. You know, bring that shit to a judge. But,
01:17:30
Jo
PG-13. pg thirteen Your kids are a bit young, so maybe when it comes to streaming, you could watch it there.
Family-Friendly Aspect of Tron Ares
01:17:42
Jo
But let's say if your kids were 10, would you go with them?
01:17:47
Amelie
Yes, definitely.
01:17:48
Jo
Easily, right? It's a family film. there's PG-13 means they get an F-bomb, but I don't remember any swearing that much at all.
01:17:59
Jo
There's no sexual... and There's no like, oh, we're going to be sexy sex. None of that stuff happens. It's, I don't want to say a wholesome movie because Gillian Anderson does fucking get capped.
01:18:17
Jo
But it's close enough. Like if you thought the original Tron was good, you need to watch Tron Aries. If you thought the second Tron was good, you need to watch Tron Aries.
Final Recommendations and Sign-Off
01:18:31
Jo
If you just want to watch a cool fucking light show in 3D IMAX, you need to watch Tron Aries.
01:18:37
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:18:39
Jo
You know, if you want to see what I look like with a beard, you need to watch Tron Aries. at At one point where he took them at the end, right? When he's like riding the motorcycle, I'm like, like, God damn it. That's what I would look like. Wouldn't I have my my fucking hair growing?
01:18:54
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
01:18:54
Jo
God damn it. What's up with bitch? All right. So that's our spoiler filled. Again, should probably said this a couple times in the beginning, but spoiler filled. If you didn't want to watch Sean Aries, you don't have to anymore. Just listen to our show.
01:19:09
Jo
I would watch it again. Would you?
01:19:13
Jo
Yeah.
01:19:13
Amelie
Definitely.
01:19:14
Jo
Yeah, I would. I think i'm going to have to go check out the IMAX because you talked me into, I think I need to see an IMAX 3D. I'll try to find a theater near me that has it still. All right. Next week, we've got something.
01:19:28
Jo
don't know what we've got next week. Who the fuck knows? All this and more on the next Dreaming Demons right now. Like and subscribe. From myself, Amelie, and I, we bid you a good day.
01:19:41
Jo
Bye, everyone. Hope you like Tron being spoiled. Toodles.
01:19:45
Amelie
Bye-bye.
01:19:46
Jo
Meh.