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Borley Rectory & Man in the White Van Breakdown | Streamin’ Demons
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This week on Streamin’ Demons, Jo & Amelie dig into Borley Rectory: The Awakening and The Man in the White Van—both based on “true stories,” but only one delivers the psychological punch. From terrible ghost makeup and Botox in 1888 to heartfelt reflections on what fear really feels like for women, this ep pulls no punches. Plus, the wildest French kissing tutorial you never saw coming.
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KEY MOMENTS:
- Opening chaos – Jo teases a Halloween-heavy episode and calls out IMDB errors
- Main plot or twist – Borley Rectory is all exposition; White Van leans into true crime fear
- Character study – Strong performances wasted vs. rising young leads
- Jo’s big take – Botox and overdone makeup kill historical believability
- Amelie’s reflection – Emotional insight on feminine fear, sisterhood, and realism
- WTF moment – French kissing lessons… with socks?
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Transcript
Intro
00:00:05
Amelie
No.
00:00:08
Jo
Hey everyone!
00:00:08
Amelie
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00:00:09
Jo
Yes, no, maybe so. All this more on this Dreaming Demons. So welcome to the show. Today we've got Borley Rectory The Awakening and The Man in the White Van with some, not spoilers, but a little bit more than we usually give. Because we have to talk about some stuff about the plots and the true stories. We're both true stories.
00:00:35
Jo
So welcome to Streaming Demons. If you have never seen a show before, good luck. Like and subscribe now. Because this one kind of goes deep in the Halloween area.
00:00:47
Jo
So I've got my host host here named Amelie. Who's definitely not shooing away a three-year-old. Hello, Amelie. are you?
00:00:58
Amelie
Good in yourself.
00:01:00
Jo
I'm doing fantabulous sort of. Sort of fantabulous. It's... A bit, a bit, we just watched, which one we just watched? Borley, no, Borley Rectory. I can never say the word. Borley Rectory, The Awakening.
00:01:16
Jo
We just watched the movie together. That's what we talking about first. Overall, if you are wondering on IMDb, I'm looking at this as a log line.
00:01:28
Jo
And do they even have a log line? No, they do not. Well, storyline. Nothing. Supernatural Ghosts. Mistaking ghosts for a real person based on a sh true story. These are the taglines.
00:01:41
Jo
Borley Factory. rectory You might want to up your IMDBH. It's kind of like shit. Director Stephen M. Smith. Written by Stephen M. Smith with Christopher Jolie.
00:01:52
Jo
Stars Julian Glover. It does not. It does not star Julian Glover. Stars Patsy Kinsett. It does not. It does not star these people.
00:02:05
Jo
So this is one of the movies that you see the named actors or actresses on the poster and they get like maybe a minute of time. It's like Mummy Dearest starring Tara Reid and Lou Fragno.
00:02:19
Jo
No, no, it is not. It is not. And this is like in that long trajectory of like when Jackie Chan made it real big, all the movies I was ever in started getting posters starring Jackie Chan. Like, no, he's like in it for a minute.
00:02:33
Jo
So when you're looking at the movie itself, don't look at the who stars in it because they don't star. They don't star in it at all. This a horror and a mystery movie.
00:02:46
Jo
It is a period piece from 1888 to 1900 exact. And we made some comments as we were going over, like kind of going through the movies.
00:03:00
Jo
What really stood out for you without spoiling any you know, we don't want to spoil the endings. We don't want to spoil anything like that, but what kind of stood out for you?
00:03:10
Amelie
Well, I really like how the costume went on. I really like the landscape.
00:03:15
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:19
Amelie
The landscape were beautiful. The castle, I called it to the castle, home was with beautiful red bricks.
00:03:26
Jo
Yeah.
00:03:27
Amelie
Really nicely done, very simple, very easy to watch. But we had lot of comment about one of the actresses' faces.
00:03:39
Jo
And this is where I'm going to get dicey because we're going to lot of hate by saying actress. it's it's
00:03:46
Jo
It's weird in the world today. You can't say anything about someone's looks without being, oh, they're just, you know, they're shaming the person. I will say, without saying the actress's name, I won't.
00:03:59
Jo
But it was an actress that I have seen in movies before and we've seen posters and, you know, whatever. that we both agree that there's no real bad acting in this film.
00:04:12
Jo
All the acting is pretty top-notch. And I agree, that the costuming and the set design and the cinematography is brilliantly done.
00:04:22
Jo
But 1888 with Botox. No, fuck off. So sorry. No, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. It takes you out of the film. Every time you see this person's face and his Botox, it's like, what the fuck?
00:04:35
Jo
And then you couldn't, once I pointed out, you couldn't unsee it.
00:04:36
Amelie
It's linked Correct.
00:04:39
Jo
I know.
00:04:40
Amelie
And I hated you for that because I was trying to focus on what she was saying, the different messages, important information.
00:04:41
Jo
i know. pointed that shit out.
00:04:47
Amelie
And I was like, I can't unsee it. I can't unsee the face. I can't unsee like, she's a good actress. She has an amazing voice. She is playing fantastically. And I'm like, fuck you.
00:04:59
Amelie
I can't see. i I can't unsee that. It's on my face. But as I was saying, it's a linked to another problem called the iPhone face.
00:05:11
Amelie
You have a beautiful actress who is taken for a movie. And all you see is a perfect perfect makeup, perfect lips.
00:05:18
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:05:21
Amelie
And you're like, okay, this is not an iPhone advertising. This is 19th century drama.
00:05:25
Jo
yeah
00:05:29
Jo
yeah
00:05:31
Amelie
And there is this problem nowadays with really big movie, with the makeup. You can see the actress who plays a grandmother who has all the wrinkles and the correct makeup and having makeup free and the good hairdo, etc. And also, suddenly, the lead actress who is in her early 20s wearing makeup like she just came up and back from Sephora.
00:05:52
Amelie
Like, way too much makeup. Like, you can see it.
00:05:54
Jo
yeah
00:05:54
Amelie
You're like, dude, no. In the 19th century, they were not wearing makeup like that. They were wearing makeup, but come on, they were more natural, more free.
00:06:05
Jo
Yeah, and that was, it's a weird pick because the film is so person orientated like the there's not special effects really it's a lot of dramatic movements they call it a horror movie i wouldn't call it a horror movie whatsoever it's it's not really a horror movie it's more of a drama piece and i think i even said at some point this is like a stage play because you have a bunch of people just dialoguing through most of the fucking film
00:06:32
Amelie
this
00:06:36
Jo
right And I agree, the makeup used takes you out of the feel that the rest of the production pushes on you.
00:06:48
Jo
It pushes the atmosphere. It pushes the clothing choice. It pushes the work choice. It pushes all of this wonderful 1888 1900 effect. oh, fuck it, let's use makeup.
00:07:02
Jo
and then it kind of like i fuck it let's do use makeup Botox is cool. I'm like, oh fuck off. Like it's... One of those things.
00:07:14
Jo
Did you find it scary?
00:07:19
Jo
No.
00:07:21
Jo
No. I didn't either. there I didn't see this as a horror movie whatsoever. I get it's based on a true story. both of our movies are based on a true story. The other movie is The Man in the White Van, by the way.
00:07:33
Jo
So Borley Rectory, The Awakening, based on a true story, is mostly the most haunted blah, blah, blah in England. It's been looked after ghost hunters and burnt, whatever it's going to be. Who cares?
00:07:47
Jo
This is the title that they should have used. It should not be Borley Rectory, The Awakening. It should be Borley Rectory. The exposition.
00:07:59
Jo
Because every fucking scene is exposition. Every scene is exposition. And it gets to point, in case you weren't smart enough to understand what happened in action, you just have the wait twelve to to 20 seconds later, and then you have like two or three people talking about what just fucking happened.
00:08:19
Jo
And it's like, oh my Christ, this is the entire movie. So the pacing gets fucked. The pacing the movie is fucked because it's just exposition after exposition after exposition after exposition after exposition to the point where the very end, they explain the entire fucking movie to you.
00:08:43
Jo
Like they re-explain what it just you just saw it hour and 25 minutes of just in case you couldn't pay attention. They re-explain it to you and it works against the movie.
00:08:55
Jo
Again, everyone is brilliant as an actor and actress in this. They do a great job.
00:09:06
Jo
They're interesting people. The characters are interesting. You can tell the characters apart for the most part. Some do Blunden. Some of the writing is shit. It's kind of like the... I'm trying to say this part without spoiling it.
00:09:20
Jo
There is a part, if you did any type of research into paranormal, at the end, like act three, you're going see something during act three, you're like, what the fuck are doing? What the fuck are they doing?
00:09:33
Jo
Even if you don't even investigate paranormal. Oh no, I just put my tracking on my fucking camera. Even if you don't investigate the paranormal, but you've watched any scary movie in your fucking life, you're like, oh no, what they doing?
00:09:51
Jo
What are they fucking doing, these assholes? It's a bit like that. With that said, we agree. The setting, brilliant, right?
00:10:03
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Tutafé. Yeah, yeah.
00:10:05
Amelie
I agree. But for me, the biggest as problem is the makeup. Like, the makeup for the ghost, I'm like...
00:10:05
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:14
Jo
Yeah, it's blackface. Spoiler alert. The ghosts have blackface. that That's why they know they're ghosts. They're blackface. It's like you've you've seen better treatments at Halloween by your fucking aunt.
00:10:27
Jo
it's It's sad. like They really dropped the ball. and Whatever FX person is like, fuck it. No budget. Let's do it. It's theater.
00:10:36
Amelie
It looked like Halloween, like your uncle who comes for Halloween.
00:10:38
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:10:41
Amelie
Haha, hee hee ho ho, if it was Halloween during the 80s, yeah, sure. But I'm like, come on, there is such a number of really good artists on Instagram who make amazing burning and makeup and broken nose and stuff like that.
00:10:55
Jo
Yeah.
00:10:56
Amelie
Like, come on, they could do better. Like, I think a good makeup artist with the setting, I really like there is not a lot of CGI.
00:10:59
Jo
Yeah, absolutely.
00:11:06
Amelie
I really like there is a lot lots of little details and they're more into dialogue. I'm really all for it, movies with dialogue.
00:11:12
Jo
yeah
00:11:15
Amelie
But it was way too much, as you said, theatrical. And at the same time, yeah, the makeup, dude, when I saw the makeup, was like, God.
00:11:27
Jo
It reminds me of Patrick Stewart talking about the old stage makeup they had to put on way, way back in the day. It's the same fucking concept. Like, that's how you know they're a ghost. I'm like, oh, man.
00:11:41
Jo
So I agree the makeup, the special effects makeup just weren't there. And I've been and i haveve been in movies where we didn't have a makeup person on set.
00:11:55
Jo
So I went into a mall and like to Macy's at the makeup counter saying, Hey, would you like to be the makeup person for a movie? We we've gotten budgets that small that we had to do the best but we could, but it all turned out, I believe maybe it's just my stuff or I wasn't, I wasn't directing that one. I just in it relatively well.
00:12:23
Jo
here Yeah.
00:12:23
Amelie
Or, for example, when you watch some movies and they have the same kind of makeup, it makes sense because a movie is goofy or it's it goes with with the wave of the movie.
00:12:34
Amelie
You know what I mean? Like it makes sense. But there was like for the quality of the landscape, the quality of the clothes, the way they speak English and the movie, but it fell.
00:12:39
Jo
That's it.
00:12:44
Amelie
I'm like, come on.
00:12:48
Jo
Yeah, and I think that's what kind of hits it on the head. It's because the other parts of the movie are so strong. It really stands out when the makeup's not.
00:13:02
Jo
And going to read because they don't even have a long line for this shit. I will read this. a feature review definitely from... This is definitely from the fucking Cannibal Corpse Grinder. No, this is definitely from the person who PR'd the movie.
00:13:19
Jo
Jesus Christ, it's a fucking page and a half. How would it be? After inheriting the family grounds, a man tries to deal with reports from his sisters who have come to visit the house is haunted and soon comes to believe that they're true.
00:13:32
Jo
We start diving into the terrible history of the house, forcing him to confront the deadly supernatural threat. The male protagonist isn't in the movie for maybe 12 minutes.
00:13:45
Jo
And I think at one point I just wanted him to die. Like, i can't wait. I hope he dies.
00:13:50
Amelie
Yes.
00:13:51
Jo
Yeah.
00:13:51
Amelie
And you're right. It's one of the sister who's doing way more action, contact everyone, make some research, et cetera.
00:13:56
Jo
She carries a fucking movie.
00:13:58
Amelie
And some of sister are victims and stuff. They're more into action. The guy is just there to be like, I'm the boy. La, la, la, la, la.
00:14:05
Amelie
la la la
00:14:05
Jo
Yeah, I'm a boy.
00:14:06
Jo
my dad gave Yeah, I think I made fun it because Julian Glover is the father figure. And I'm like, grace great, awesome. And then he fucking dies in the first two minutes. like fuck.
00:14:18
Jo
Fuck. I have to be stuck with this fucking asshole.
00:14:21
Amelie
his present is really good like I watch it I got hooked immediately he's dying he's not fine etc he's gossiping and everything and he's like talking to the kid and I'm like yes that's a beautiful transition like I really like it it's going to be a really interesting and then he
00:14:25
Jo
yeah
00:14:37
Jo
Yeah. I honestly, God, the reason why we got this film, because I i do like the based on true story shit sometimes, especially if it's a haunting. It's kind of my jam.
00:14:48
Jo
But Julian Glover is an amazing actor. And it's a great nice guy. You know, so you want to see movies with him in it. And then it's the first two or three minutes and that's all you get.
00:15:01
Jo
And you're right. It changes the tone of the movie because Julian Glover's performance, he hooks you the fuck in. He's the hook. And you're like oh, I can't wait. It's going this older guy against all these fucking demons and his daughters or anything.
00:15:19
Jo
No, no, no. He's fucking dead. I'm oh, yeah. Does he even come back? No, he doesn't come back. Whatever.
00:15:25
Amelie
Because when you look, it's different kind of movie. B-movie, advertising, etc. There is always an actor who stands out. You know what I mean? Like when we watch a very good movie and we don't make the difference between a good actor and another good actor, but there, you can see the art.
00:15:34
Jo
Yeah.
00:15:41
Amelie
The guy really got me hooked.
00:15:44
Jo
yeah
00:15:44
Amelie
And it just had a few lines and it's very average.
00:15:47
Jo
few lines yeah
00:15:48
Amelie
You don't have much information, but you feel the tension. You feel the despair, the love, the thing. You're like, oh, a door is opening.
00:15:59
Amelie
And then, bang. You're like, oh, okay, the line I hear, maybe it's the writing, maybe this position, maybe this, maybe that.
00:16:06
Jo
yeah yeah he's got like two scenes
00:16:06
Amelie
And that's fascinating. And the guy just, as you said, there on the movie for... two to five minutes maximum. Like he's there two scenes, that's all.
00:16:16
Jo
What's up?
00:16:17
Amelie
But you think about the guy and like, yeah, the father and then, dang.
00:16:22
Jo
I think that's the perfect analogy for this film. Because Julian Glover is such an amazing actor and he hooks you in you start, and because the rest of the film is basically a fucking exposition, you start wandering back like, man, I wish Julian Glover was still in this movie.
00:16:43
Jo
You know, he could sell the shit of this.
00:16:43
Amelie
I like the uncle and I'm very sorry the uncle didn't have more lines because I really like his presence on the camera.
00:16:45
Jo
Oh, Mark Winget. Yeah. Yes.
00:16:52
Amelie
Every scene, I like his face because he looks like a dude from the 19th century.
00:16:56
Jo
Yes.
00:16:57
Amelie
i like his presence. I like the way he talks to his niece, is not a niece, but actually more of a long time friend.
00:17:05
Jo
Like Uncle Joe. god uncle good joe Yeah.
00:17:06
Amelie
Yeah, uncle, wink wink. I like his voice. I like his presence when he listens to the priors. Like, he's very real. And I'm like, unfortunately, he's not a very important character.
00:17:21
Amelie
He's more like act to de presence.
00:17:21
Jo
go
00:17:24
Amelie
But I'm like, damn it, I wish he had more line and more presence and more scene and more action. Like, I would follow that guy.
00:17:31
Jo
Yeah, I agree.
00:17:32
Amelie
I would follow actor like that in a series. That guy in a series in the 19th century? Yes, definitely. The voice, the presence, the charisma, his English, the way he looks, the way he has a presence during a quiet scene.
00:17:47
Amelie
Yes.
00:17:47
Jo
He draws you, even when he's not speaking, he draws you in. And I agree, that it's Mark Winget, by the way. And if you've ever seen his original work, Quadrophenia by The Who, he's actually in the movie version.
00:18:03
Amelie
He reminds me of the French actor Jean Gabin. Same. Very old dude, white hair, over 60 years old. The presence, the voice, the way he's posé.
00:18:17
Amelie
And he accepts his age, but he's a man and he goes into action.
00:18:20
Jo
Yeah,
00:18:22
Amelie
Compared to the young man,
00:18:26
Amelie
I don't want him to die.
00:18:26
Jo
couldn
00:18:28
Amelie
would follow him to hell. You see what I mean?
00:18:30
Jo
yeah and the young man played by Cornell Dion Williams. And not that this and this might be bit snooty. If you look at IMDb, he doesn't even have a picture up.
00:18:42
Jo
It's kind of like and And that's the the other downfall. Maybe because we have Julian Glover in it, maybe because we have Mike Wingo in it, we have these very strong, extremely talented male actors.
00:18:59
Jo
And then we got this relative newcomer, Cornell, Dion Williams, and his character is just not likable. he's it's it's He's a pussy.
00:19:08
Amelie
You're right.
00:19:08
Jo
He's like, it's just piece a piece of shit in the film.
00:19:09
Amelie
Yeah, no, it's too... Yes, it's just milk. Like in the first scene, it makes sense because he doesn't know anything.
00:19:13
Jo
Yeah, milk, you know.
00:19:17
Amelie
He's the son. Father, what's going on? Father, what's going on? Give me the box. Give me the box.
00:19:21
Jo
Right. Yeah.
00:19:22
Amelie
He gave the box. And you see the two actors who just mirror each other. her I'm the chocolate. You're the milk. We mix together. We're good. You're the teacher.
00:19:31
Jo
yeah
00:19:32
Amelie
I'm the student. Processor, what's going on? Hey, Billy, listen to me. Listen to me carefully. I'm the master, you're a student, I'm giving you the information. He's fantastic on this scene. Why? Because he's young, because he loves his father, because he doesn't know what to do. You know what I mean?
00:19:48
Amelie
And then in the following scene, you see the other actor who I really like.
00:19:54
Jo
market winger yeah
00:19:54
Amelie
And that man as a presence... The actress called him uncle. he said, I'm not your uncle.
00:19:59
Jo
market wing yeah
00:20:01
Amelie
You should call me something else because you make me feel a little bit strange. Oh, but you know, I'm still a little girl. We introduced to the mother, the mother who called him Mr. Something. So he has a presence, a voice, he knows who he is.
00:20:15
Amelie
And then you have this actor who play normally a very important character, but it he doesn't have his place. He's still like a little boy.
00:20:27
Amelie
He's not manly. He is a little bit depicted on, oh, sister, you need to get married.
00:20:29
Jo
no
00:20:33
Amelie
And I'm the one who receives the box. And I have responsibility, et cetera, like a 15 years old.
00:20:40
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:41
Amelie
So you're like, OK. The only thing we did is looking at him and say, he's got beautiful hair.
00:20:46
Jo
Yeah. And I was wondering his hair was in in the time period. That was like my only real comment because I hope he dies.
00:20:51
Amelie
Yeah, he has beautiful hair, he's well-dressed, and he talked to his sister.
00:20:53
Jo
Yeah.
00:20:55
Amelie
Hello, sister. Hello, brother. We have a problem with a ghost. Yes, indeed. Where is mother? Where is T? You know what i you know what i mean? Like, where is Brian? Brian is in the kitchen, you know.
00:21:07
Amelie
He doesn't have this... manly hood of listen to me you need to leave listen to me you need to get married now we're going to have a conversation we're going to sit and have a conversation and you can see the main difference between him having a good conversation with his sister you don't see his face he just turned around around around his sister what's the other one is just a conversation it's a one-to-one it's me with my niece it's me with my son you see what i mean like
00:21:33
Jo
Like Mark Winget is amazing as a contrast. Julian Glover is amazing in contrast. And then Cornell Dean Williams was just like, I think you said it right, just milk. And it's like, cool.
00:21:46
Jo
And we're talking about the sisters. Like Jess Inchbald, who plays Kitty, is really the main actor in this film.
00:21:55
Amelie
Yes.
00:21:56
Jo
Like, honestly, she carries all the scenes that she has to be in because she is, like, the lightning rod protagonist.
00:22:04
Jo
And it's a weird dichotomy because at the same time, she's the one that the book should have been given to. And now I'm zooming in. Jesus Christ, I like this.
00:22:16
Jo
As I zoom into my own face, because apparently my new camera. New camera, guys, by the way. Make sure I never do that. Thanks.
00:22:25
Amelie
But I like it when you're like, so now i have an information. I'm like, yeah, that's a good, no, it's really good.
00:22:28
Jo
I know, right? Which is a what it's for. I haven't learned the hand gestures yet.
00:22:31
Amelie
i love I like I like it. i
00:22:33
Jo
Yeah, yeah. Everyone else listening like, what the fuck's he doing? But we see Jess Inchbalt. She has to carry the fucking film. And she should have gotten her, her character Kitty should have gotten the book.
00:22:46
Jo
But because like, I must go to a male. Unfortunately, the male is the most uncharismatic piece of shit on the planet. Henry Bull, not, not talk about the actor, Cornell, not talking about the actor.
00:22:58
Jo
Maybe the actor is doing magnificent job. I'm bringing the character, how shitty he really was. You know, maybe that's what it is. We don't know. And so she carries a film with her sisters like Charlotte Luxford's in this. out Laura, I can't say. Histovia's in this.
00:23:17
Jo
Jenna Wilson's in it. And then, and then this is the one that we're going to come back to in a bit. Patsy Kenseth's in it. But she is in it more than Julian Glover.
00:23:29
Jo
So at least they got that part right. At the same time, because she doesn't have her blonde hair, it threw me for a loop. Does that make sense? And we're we so started deconstructing her scenes.
00:23:43
Jo
She is an amazing actress. Like, there's no denying Pansy Kenseth is an amazing actress. Julian Glover is amazing actor. I'd rather see those two in the entire fucking film.
00:23:55
Jo
Be just them. Fuck Henry Bull. Fuck that kid. Be just those two people. And then explore the history through them.
00:24:06
Jo
And you have Mark Winget, a...
00:24:08
Amelie
Yes.
00:24:08
Jo
perfect
00:24:09
Amelie
Yes, I agree with you. Like, I really like the first scene when she appears. She's fantastic. She's a full length. You see everything, all her body.
00:24:18
Jo
Yeah.
00:24:19
Amelie
And she's talking. She's her head. She's a mother. She's a master of the house, etc.
00:24:24
Jo
she's much She's right.
00:24:24
Amelie
She knows the story.
00:24:24
Jo
Yes.
00:24:26
Amelie
Yeah, right?
00:24:26
Jo
yes
00:24:27
Amelie
And then it went to the toilet. Oh, love of the family. Oh, strength and weakness is just, yeah, I heard about it again and over again and over again and over again.
00:24:37
Jo
Oh, that was the grandmother. Yeah, the grandmother comes back for half second and talks about it, yeah.
00:24:42
Amelie
Yeah, and she's of course, and of course the mother is sick and oh, I'm sick on my bed. Oh, oh, the nightmare. Oh, fuck off. Like she, she could have been better.
00:24:52
Jo
Right.
00:24:55
Jo
She's underutilized.
00:24:55
Amelie
I think the problem of that movie is they didn't give gave story more important to the older actors. They could have.
00:25:03
Jo
Yes, absolutely. And that's what I'm saying. It's not the acting. The acting, for the most part, is fantastic. Their writing is like, what the fuck are we doing?
00:25:15
Jo
Like, what the fuck are we doing? You have Julian Glover and Patsy Kenseth and Mark Winget, and you don't put them in every fucking scene in the goddamn movie? Why? Like, fucking why?
00:25:27
Amelie
It fell into the category of sister. You need to think of about marriage.
00:25:32
Amelie
I'm a woman. I'm in the 19th century. And I want to be, you know, independent and yinging yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, let's throw ghost there. The ghost goes right and she lost a baby and she needs help.
00:25:32
Jo
It's Pride and Prejudice with Ghost.
00:25:45
Jo
die Spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, spoilers, Amelie, spoilers.
00:25:45
Amelie
And blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:50
Jo
But okay, most of that does happen in their first five minutes. Yes, we understand. But everything else I wanted to stop you from saying so don't want to spoil the movie.
00:25:59
Amelie
okay but here you see what i mean like long story short instead of of having like the history and walk more with the uncle who should know the family for ages and also the mother who is a master of the house and she said it she's a master of the house we fall into the troop of
00:26:00
Jo
Yeah, we can say that... yeah right
00:26:19
Amelie
oh I am here, family, castle, sending away. And I'm like, no, no.
00:26:25
Jo
Yeah, I wish they gave her more to do.
00:26:26
Amelie
Like they return. No, like they could have. If they want to follow the troop of women and strong.
00:26:33
Jo
But I agree.
00:26:34
Amelie
Yeah, we have a woman there.
00:26:34
Jo
Patsy is such a great actress. I wish they gave her more stuff. I really do. She deserves it.
00:26:39
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:26:39
Jo
And then we have Helen Ledler. She plays the doctor in this. Like, basically, the three name stars that they put on IMDb are Julian Glover, Patsy Kensett, and Helen Ledler.
00:26:52
Jo
Ledler. I'm not stuttering. That's actually name of Ledler. They're in it combined. Well, Patsy's in it most combined. But combined between Julian and Helen, they probably have four or five minutes of screen time combined.
00:27:06
Jo
Then if you add Patsy, maybe it goes up to 12 minutes. and That can't be your fucking starring cast if they're not in the movie. You can't have stars if they're not actually in the movie.
00:27:20
Amelie
It depends. Like if it's a five minute scene, like think about James Bond. Hugh. Hugh is there for two minutes of the movie and he's very, very famous.
00:27:29
Jo
Right.
00:27:31
Amelie
Or for example, the James Bond boss, you know what I mean?
00:27:34
Jo
But Q has a point to be there.
00:27:36
Amelie
Yes.
00:27:37
Jo
And we know that Q is going to be there and that's Q's thing. M is going to be there and that's M's thing.
00:27:40
Amelie
huh oh well
00:27:42
Jo
And it it would be like saying James Bond's there for five minutes. And the rest is about some, you know what I'm saying
00:27:46
Amelie
i Would it be a cameo? Cameo.
00:27:49
Jo
But none of these people, if you're watching James Bond movie, you have the name actor, James Bond. You usually have Q&M being named.
00:27:56
Amelie
Yeah.
00:27:58
Jo
You have usually the antagonist being named and sometimes the Bond girl being named. This movie has only three people on the fucking thing and none of are are in the fucking movie.
00:28:10
Jo
That's why I'm saying.
00:28:11
Amelie
Agent. Agent. I think it's a thing of agent, unfortunately.
00:28:13
Jo
Well, I don't don't... I'm not... Like, their Hollywood agent or...
00:28:20
Amelie
I think so. We had this kind of conversation in France because some stars who used to be very famous in the 80s would turn in movies in the 2000s and they would fight to get their name mentioned.
00:28:35
Amelie
Even if they... They've got a lot of scenes in the movie. So you would have, for example, Jean Reno in Big Letter, and you would see in Small Letter another actor who was famous in the 80s, but nowadays is no more famous, even if they have way more scenes than Jean Reno.
00:28:45
Jo
Right.
00:28:52
Jo
OK. Sure.
00:28:55
Amelie
And the big question was like, why?
00:28:55
Jo
Sure.
00:28:58
Amelie
You know, the agent and the publicity and so messed up.
00:29:01
Jo
Great.
00:29:01
Amelie
And sadly, that's the business, apparently.
00:29:04
Jo
Great, I get this, but let me read you the fucking poster. Here's the poster. Julian Glover, Patsy Kensett, Helen Lediger, Vicky Michelle, and Mark Winnick. They're the only people on the poster.
00:29:17
Jo
And they do not have screen time.
00:29:18
Amelie
And that's not okay. But unfortunately it's business.
00:29:22
Jo
No, but it's not just a business. it's They don't have any screen time.
00:29:26
Amelie
Yeah, I know. It's stupid. I know.
00:29:29
Jo
mean Do you really think I would have gotten this movie if it didn't have Julian culver Glover and Paz Akinza and Mark Wingate? Maybe, but yeah we're we're spinning it this one. I don't want put my hand up. It's just in case it follows me around again.
00:29:42
Jo
So overall, the strength is also the weakness of this movie. The strength is the weakness because the strength of those core actors and actresses who can carry the entire goddamn movie don't get to carry the movie.
00:29:59
Jo
And the people who are like Jess Inchbald, who do an amazing job as Kitty, doesn't get to carry the movie either. Even though she carries most of the movie, it's because the writing keeps going back to Henry Bull must be important.
00:30:16
Jo
But no one gives a fuck about the dude. And then at the end, Simon Phillips comes in and Jazz has some shit, but that's just a MacGuffin at the point. You know, so...
00:30:29
Jo
I liken this to a PBS production, meaning would watch it, it's entertaining, I think this is a great made-for-TV movie, I would not watch this in the theater.
00:30:42
Jo
There's no fucking way I'm buying this in the theater. How about you?
00:30:46
Amelie
I would watch the actor, the main actor we listed in a series. If it was a series about the castle, yes, definitely.
00:30:54
Jo
Yeah.
00:30:56
Jo
Oh, it would be brilliant.
00:30:57
Amelie
The uncle, the master of the family who is a widow, people who come and pass, rapiers, deliver, ghost hunter, etc.
00:31:00
Jo
Yeah. Yeah.
00:31:06
Amelie
The different ghosts.
00:31:08
Amelie
I would definitely watch it without CGI, with more dialogue, with, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. There is potential. There is potential.
00:31:08
Jo
yeah
00:31:18
Jo
I agree. i agree. i think this would be a... If this was like a Netflix or Shudder series for six or seven episodes and that allows it to have a good buildup, I would watch it. I think they'll be a great series.
00:31:40
Jo
As a movie, it seems oddly quick and slow. Like, the good parts don't last, and the bad parts are exposition, and them just talking would just fucking happen.
00:31:53
Jo
Which is kind of demeaning sometimes, but it's it's a poor use of their talent. And there's sometimes when you get sucked into it, like when Jess Inchbal was doing some exposition, you get sucked into because she's charismatic.
00:32:11
Jo
At the same time, you're like, oh, it's just exposition. What the fuck am I even listening for? I just saw it happen live two minutes ago. she didn't have to explain it to me. I think that's, again, just the writing is kind of like wonk as shit.
00:32:25
Jo
But I agree. Maybe a series. you Maybe driving it down. Boriel. Jesus, I can't read today. Borley Rectory, The Awakening, 2025. An hour 28. It's going to feel like five hours sometimes. Or it'll feel like 20 seconds. Who knows?
00:32:39
Jo
Check it out. Get your own thing. You know, get your own thing. If if you like jump scares, this ain't it. If you like so spooky spooky, this ain't it. If you like drama, sure. It's more of a drama.
00:32:51
Jo
It's not a horror. Sorry. And that brings us to our next one based on a true story. Ori, Ori, Ori. The man in the white van.
00:33:04
Jo
pg thirteen by the way Starring, and this is what it comes into it, watch. Starring. I can't even see the people's names right now.
00:33:15
Jo
But if you look at IMDb, it's going list Madison Wolf, Breck Basinger, and Ali Larder. Madison Wolf plays Annie. Breck Basinger plays Margaret, their sisters.
00:33:29
Jo
Allie Lauder plays Helen, right? And then Astin plays Richard. So the family itself. I got this movie because I saw Sean Astin in it.
00:33:42
Jo
And it was like a but kind of like an independent horror film type vibe. I'm like, great, he's the killer. You know, because I thought he's like, I thought it was like a black cab with Nick Frost.
00:33:55
Jo
Like, oh, he's going to be driving around in white van just killing people. Awesome. I'll watch this shit all day long. No, no, no. He's not that. He's just a dad. you say He's a dad. Which is fine. he's He's a brilliant actor, you know.
00:34:08
Jo
Basically, he plays character at this point. And then you see Madison Wolf and Breck Basinger carry the entire... movie with Scowl Jackson as a good counterbalance at point.
00:34:23
Jo
Scowl playing the the friend Patty.
00:34:27
Jo
Did you like this movie? Just overall. Curious.
00:34:33
Amelie
I like the movie. Hello.
00:34:35
Jo
Me too.
00:34:36
Amelie
I like the movie, but I didn't get scared because scene of...
00:34:40
Jo
No.
00:34:43
Amelie
I don't know, can we spoil it or not spoil it?
00:34:47
Jo
Don't spoil it. Please.
00:34:49
Amelie
Okay. I was not scared at all by the bad guy, by the bad scene, but I was shit scared of the horse.
00:35:02
Jo
Oh, the Hort.
00:35:02
Amelie
Jude the horse, a black horse, many, many times in the movie, I jumped.
00:35:03
Jo
Yeah, yeah. For real.
00:35:10
Amelie
I had my heart doing ba-bam, ba-bam, ba-bam.
00:35:13
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:13
Amelie
had flashbacks from my time when I was living in the countryside. I felt connected to the main character because she's got very long hair. She likes to listen to rap music in her room.
00:35:23
Jo
She kind of looks like you. see and when you were growing up, like she looks like like Yeah.
00:35:25
Amelie
Yes! When I was 14 years old, I was looking like her like that.
00:35:30
Amelie
Long blonde hair and she goes by herself to school. She's got her friends. They walk by in long road in the countryside.
00:35:30
Jo
Yeah.
00:35:39
Jo
yeah
00:35:40
Amelie
She cuts through the field like I used to do. A lot of landscape look like where I came from, you know what I mean? And the good old, hey, you can come back, you can go, but you come back when the lights are on on the street, like I told you.
00:35:53
Jo
Right. Yeah.
00:35:55
Amelie
Except I find her really badass because she can go by horse. I don't know how to ride a horse.
00:36:00
Jo
It's just super power.
00:36:01
Amelie
But I'm telling you, there is a lot of sin with that black horse. I'm like, I don't like that horse. I don't like that horse. I don't trust that horse at all. I was like, I haven't thought...
00:36:09
Jo
He's kill someone. Yeah.
00:36:13
Amelie
She's going to get killed by the horse.
00:36:16
Jo
Oh. Yeah.
00:36:16
Amelie
Something like she survived, but she got killed by the horse or some stupid shit like that.
00:36:17
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:21
Jo
Yeah, I agree.
00:36:24
Amelie
like their clothes. I like the the actor jeans, the victim, the people, the NPCs, etc.
00:36:30
Jo
74. Yeah.
00:36:32
Amelie
I like the clothes.
00:36:33
Jo
NPCs love it.
00:36:35
Amelie
I like the house. I like the landscape. I like the storyline. She goes to high school and stuff. And the French kiss scene make me really laugh.
00:36:46
Amelie
So they're like, yeah, let me teach you the Frenchies.
00:36:48
Jo
Yeah.
00:36:49
Amelie
and And I'm like, that's something I heard very late in life. Because for us French people, we French kiss. That's normal. We call it rouler une pelle, roll a shovel.
00:37:02
Amelie
la la but And we learn with socks.
00:37:03
Jo
Roll a shovel.
00:37:05
Amelie
So we put socks in our hand.
00:37:06
Jo
You were... What? What?
00:37:09
Amelie
Yes, yes.
00:37:10
Jo
You learn...
00:37:10
Amelie
So we put a socks on our hand like this and we learn this is my tongue and you need to do that with the tongue.
00:37:11
Jo
What the fuck?
00:37:18
Amelie
Okay, you need to roll the shovel and that's how you kiss. So when you kiss just like this, it's a beck like a bird, a beck piece.
00:37:29
Jo
Uh-huh.
00:37:31
Amelie
But French it's oldditional kiss, traditional kiss. We don't just wee all the time. And we need to at least take one minute rolling.
00:37:41
Jo
but
00:37:43
Amelie
So when they are learning how to French kiss like that, I'm like, I know the first kiss for the Americans is just...
00:37:47
Jo
fuck
00:37:53
Amelie
And that's all. And that's nothing in France. we It's violent. It's violent. Especially when your boyfriend has the thing on the teeth. Oh, putain. You can't scratch your...
00:38:04
Amelie
cao yeah
00:38:06
Jo
Okay, hold on. I need to back this shit up. Okay. Right. I know this thing you're talking about because it looks like the the woman's going down because this is the whole Robin Williams bit.
00:38:20
Jo
Right? The elbow, the mouth to the elbow. And she's basically licking her inside her elbow.
00:38:27
Jo
So you would put socks on your fucking hands and do this? Are you serious? Are you fucking, you fucking, you gotta be fucking with me.
00:38:39
Amelie
I am not fucking with you. So you take your your hand, you put the socks on, your friend take her hand and you do, you need to roll like that.
00:38:44
Jo
Right? No, I understand that. I understand, but
00:38:49
Amelie
You need to roll.
00:38:50
Jo
who's doing that to you? That's my, who's doing this? Who's putting the socks on your fucking hands?
00:38:56
Amelie
You!
00:38:56
Jo
Don't say your mom.
00:38:56
Amelie
You put the socks on and no, it's between friends.
00:38:59
Jo
You put your socks, but how do you, okay. Who's teaching you to put socks in your fucking hands?
00:39:01
Amelie
When you're 11, 12 years old, 11, 12 years old,
00:39:04
Jo
and
00:39:06
Jo
But who's who who is putting the sock on?
00:39:06
Amelie
that's how we do
00:39:09
Amelie
You take a sock, you take your own sock, you put a sock, your friend put a sock and basically you do this like this, you know.
00:39:14
Jo
Okay. But who taught you how to do that? Okay.
00:39:18
Amelie
My friends, we do that.
00:39:19
Jo
So who taught them how to do it? with the Where did they pick that up from?
00:39:24
Amelie
Elder sister, friends, internet, stuff like that
00:39:27
Jo
Fuck's sake. This is why France can't fight wars.
00:39:33
Amelie
that. Yeah. We invited it, the French kiss.
00:39:36
Jo
Oh my Christ, you you invented it, but you talked about how fucking socks on. You're you'rere doing...
00:39:42
Amelie
But oui, like this, for the tongue to learn how to do the movement of the tongue.
00:39:42
Jo
What the shit?
00:39:47
Amelie
Because you need to roll.
00:39:50
Jo
And now that explains why some people kiss like that.
00:39:55
Jo
Very robotic. Not you, I didn't say you. I mean it's like that explains some fucking robots in my head.
00:40:04
Jo
So, okay, we learned that French people with texts, the same culture that brought you do you suck in the text, also brings you how to French kiss with your socks.
00:40:16
Jo
I'm like, does it put the lipstick on the sock? You start making the sock? No, no, no, no. We think the other sock in our hand, we start rolling like this. Uh-oh, she's telling me to hold on.
00:40:30
Jo
Because she's going to show...
00:40:32
Amelie
Yeah, because we have even French kiss socks.
00:40:33
Jo
She's going to text me if I suck. Hold on.
00:40:37
Jo
Oh, I believe you. i It's not like I don't believe you. I just, you know what I mean? It's kind of, who does that?
00:40:47
Amelie
No.
00:40:48
Jo
I thought that was weird from this one.
00:40:48
Amelie
please
00:40:49
Jo
All right. So, yes, there are some things that you're going to connect with. And if you go from the IMDb, this actually is a thriller.
00:40:54
Amelie
but
00:40:57
Jo
And I agree with that one. In a quaint family town in Florida, don't want let that stop you. 1974, don't let that stop you either. An ominous white van stalks a young girl and her parents disbelief leaves with a terrifying Halloween nightmare.
00:41:13
Jo
And Emily is showing me a picture that we can't probably put on this podcast.
00:41:14
Amelie
got don
00:41:17
Jo
So hopefully it's just two people wearing a sock. I can't.
00:41:20
Amelie
So it's a kid with someone else to learn how to French kiss two-heads with a tongue who represents us but with a tongue. We've got exposition about that.
00:41:33
Amelie
Exhibit.
00:41:34
Jo
and Okay. I mean, I thought, I didn't disbelieve you.
00:41:35
Amelie
Sexual education.
00:41:38
Amelie
I don't know if you don't can see me like this. Can you see?
00:41:38
Jo
I just thought it was like, no, I'm not, not that well.
00:41:44
Jo
No, the camera's not picking up. is The internet's bit spotty.
00:41:46
Amelie
Okay, I'm going to take a...
00:41:47
Jo
So back to the, back to the movie though. The man in the white van. Back to the movie.
00:41:52
Amelie
Because you're not going to believe me like...
00:41:53
Jo
I get it. I, Omelie, I sincerely believe you.
00:41:56
Amelie
Voilà. I sent it to you.
00:41:58
Jo
Okay, cool.
00:41:59
Amelie
Thank you.
00:42:00
Jo
I'll check it out after done with the show. So Madison Wolf and Breck Basinger, and we have Ali Lauer, got Sean Astin, we have all these people.
00:42:12
Jo
It is weird to watch this film because when it first opens up, you see someone getting attacked. You see, and this is not spoilers, it's basically the first two or three minutes of the film.
00:42:24
Jo
You see someone getting attacked. And when I saw this person struggle, i'm like, Jesus, you know what really good at this film? Deborah Ann Woll would be amazing because, and then I realized, holy shit, no, that is Deborah Ann Woll.
00:42:42
Jo
the and we If you ever watch True Blood, when she's getting abducted by by Bill for the first time, I believe, yeah it's the same kind of flashbacks and stuff like that. So it's it's nice to see her in the film.
00:42:55
Jo
And the difference between this film and the last film, Deborah Ann Woll is not the named actress in this fucking poster. She's in it for maybe 30 seconds. It's an important character, but we only see it for 30 minutes, 30 seconds.
00:43:11
Jo
So what we do see is this believable family dynamic. Like, Annie and Margaret, the character names, are believable.
00:43:26
Jo
Daniel is believable. Richard and Helen are believable as mom and dad. Like, everyone in the family is believable as an actual family unit, right? There's nothing that screams this is not in 1974.
00:43:42
Jo
As we talked about the last movie, it kind of like brought us out of the 1900s because every once while you see that the makeup or whatever it's going to be. This is well acted. It looks like this could have been very well a Halloween movie franchise type thing, you know?
00:44:04
Jo
Now I have a question for you, Amelie.
00:44:10
Jo
Which character, you said you kind of identified it with with Annie. Did you have a friend like Margaret or a friend like Margaret's sister, by the way, not sisters?
00:44:22
Jo
Did you have something like a Margaret or a Patty in your life?
00:44:28
Amelie
Is it friends?
00:44:29
Jo
Yeah. So someone who's going to kind of like balance off of you because Annie is this very wide, rambunctious person and Margaret's very much the prim and proper debutante.
00:44:36
Amelie
Yeah.
00:44:45
Jo
I think almost like fucking literal debatant, by the way. Very prim and proper. she's showing how to shave her legs and stuff like that in the beginning of the film, right? She's trying to get this
00:44:54
Amelie
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you always are in the family.
00:44:58
Jo
She's discovered boys before Annie does. Type thing.
00:45:00
Amelie
Yeah, no, yeah, well, you are, it's, yeah, that's why I like that movie, because it's really girly girl, like, very feminine, like, the...
00:45:02
Jo
Or girls.
00:45:12
Amelie
What is it to be a woman? It's to learn how to use a tampon. It's to learn how to shave your legs. It's to learn how to wear makeup.
00:45:20
Jo
Yeah.
00:45:20
Amelie
What is appropriate and not appropriate? For example, she rides a horse and I like a t-shirt and she's got really big, right?
00:45:23
Jo
Yeah. I agree.
00:45:29
Amelie
And she needs to learn how to wear a dress and to be proper and stuff. And what's proper for a lady? What is not ladylike? You know what I mean? like you don't burp you need to still steal when you're on a table you keep quiet except if somebody told you so uh when people give you a compliment oh you're a lovely little mademoiselle thank you oh you sure i really have a lot of boyfriend oh you say thank you you say thank you you say thank you so yeah uh but yeah
00:45:38
Jo
like agree
00:45:59
Jo
Yeah. It's realistic.
00:46:02
Amelie
I really like, oh, oh, I have to say it. I have to confess. I really like this woman, Dianne, because there is a best friend.
00:46:13
Amelie
I had a friend like that who is really cool and by my side who accept me as I am. The girl who is very feminine, wears makeup, who has miniskirt, who is very gutty-gutty, and you try to live your life and you just put in your head, you need to be more feminine, stop going through the field, wear makeup while you live in small town and you don't need to wear makeup to go school, right?
00:46:21
Jo
Yeah.
00:46:38
Jo
You
00:46:38
Amelie
And also she's trying to find, to discover a sexuality by trying to French kiss. And she she has a crush and everything.
00:46:46
Amelie
And her sister tried to to get what's going on and to put her down, etc. When they babysit their little brother and the sister just leave.
00:46:46
Jo
like you go first.
00:46:58
Amelie
wow. Several times, like between sister, we cover up everyone. Like you my boyfriend is coming.
00:47:04
Jo
yeah It's realistic.
00:47:05
Amelie
Can you cover for me? I'm going to my friend. I will be back in an hour. bah but but bye if you're not back in an hour, I will tell daddy on you.
00:47:10
Jo
yeah
00:47:13
Amelie
You see what I mean? Like the brother sister thing. Yeah, yeah, definitely. The sisterhood thing. Yeah, definitely. And the girl who wears makeup at school and she's not a virgin and she knows everything and stuff.
00:47:26
Jo
Joanna.
00:47:27
Amelie
And she, yeah.
00:47:28
Jo
Played by Addison Rickle.
00:47:30
Jo
michael
00:47:30
Amelie
I was so happy for the main character, of my friends.
00:47:35
Amelie
Like, I don't want to spoil anything, but I was like, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, I'm going to talk about it after the podcast.
00:47:45
Jo
See...
00:47:45
Amelie
That's the best. For a woman,
00:47:51
Jo
see
00:47:51
Amelie
orgasm chocolates
00:47:52
Jo
i was I was wondering about that because as I was watching it, I'm like, man, it seems realistic to a family. I didn't really have one. So i couldn't really base it other than what I saw in my friend's house or whatever, just on TV. So I'm like, is this like a TV type of family or is this more realistic? but It seemed more realistic.
00:48:13
Jo
If all the flaws and all the strengths of a family could have, especially we have like An older sister who is more prop and prim and the middle child who's more wild and the young one is like the little little boy, right?
00:48:29
Jo
And you have all of this alongside of a historical backdrop about someone in Florida really being stopped by a man in white van. Like a lot of this happens based upon the truth.
00:48:40
Amelie
Yeah. What
00:48:43
Jo
Like this is like based upon the true story. It's really based upon the true story. Just talk to my hands again.
00:48:49
Amelie
I like about the movie is there is a scene where the elder sister said, oh, she's ugly, about her younger sister. i heard a lot of my friends who have sisters saying that bitch said, oh, you know, he's so cute.
00:49:04
Amelie
You should lose weight.
00:49:09
Jo
Yeah.
00:49:10
Amelie
You know what I mean? Like the rage between sister is really good or, hey, you're supposed to stay and you don't, you leave or you put, like, you see?
00:49:13
Jo
Yeah.
00:49:18
Amelie
And she put her sister in danger. and and and And there's many times like, like I'm like, yes, yes, I heard about this situation with my friend who had sister.
00:49:32
Amelie
Yes, I've been in this situation, you know.
00:49:33
Jo
yeah
00:49:36
Amelie
Or you have your little brother and you try to defend him and to protect him and to look after him, etc. i like Because some one of the plots the main character is followed by white van.
00:49:50
Amelie
And she said to her parents, I'm followed by a white van.
00:49:51
Jo
Yes.
00:49:54
Amelie
And nobody believes her. Because, you know, she's a tomboy and she's a child with a white imagination. No, there is a white man who is following me.
00:50:05
Amelie
And several all times of the movie, I'm like, come on, parents. Come on. Like, if you' you know your daughter. Yes, she's white. Yes, she i like to ride horse. Yes, she's very independent and she goes all around.
00:50:18
Amelie
I'm telling you.
00:50:24
Jo
You're saying yes.
00:50:25
Amelie
I was 15 years old and was on my way back from school and there was this old lady who had a conversation with me.
00:50:39
Amelie
I was by myself on the road, you know, like beautiful countryside of France by the river, just myself, me, myself and I. And she's like, hey, how are you?
00:50:49
Jo
Right.
00:50:49
Amelie
blah, blah, blah. You know, I know your grandfather. Yeah, yeah, it's pretty, no, Marcel, no, no, the other one. The other one. I don't think so because I have just one grandfather, the other one is dead.
00:51:03
Amelie
No, no, the one who live in such a desert village. Okay, cool. Bye-bye. And I go back to my mom and I'm like, there is strange lady who came up to me.
00:51:14
Amelie
I think she made a mistake. She said she knew my grandfather.
00:51:18
Jo
Oh.
00:51:18
Amelie
And I say Marcel Delphi because Marcel Delphi was well known. He was elected mayor twice. he He was a celebrity. Anyway. And she's like, oh, maybe she made a mistake. Yes, George from The Shinsets Town. And my mother became rage.
00:51:36
Amelie
She's like, do you know the name of that person? Can you describe to me that person? She jumped on the telephone. She yelled at a guy on the telephone. by She turned to me. She's like, your grandfather is still alive.
00:51:51
Amelie
Number one, he lived in such and such village. I don't want you to visit him because he did really bad things to me. I stopped talking to him since I'm 18 years old.
00:52:02
Amelie
And she was at that time 40 something. And that person should never approach you. If that person approach you, you've got your telephone, your mobile phone, you call me. If they continue to come and harass you, we go to the police together.
00:52:15
Amelie
And when I see the scene where she's like, no, I'm really scared. I want you to take me to school. I'm scared of the white van, etc.
00:52:21
Jo
Right.
00:52:22
Amelie
etc Come on, you know your daughter. ter Like... like you see what i mean like my parents whenever i was stressed or out of doubt or i was not eating my food or anything i couldn't hide them something they know me you know what i mean like you see the girl she goes with her house she goes everywhere she she's a tomboy etc she always late etc but for the Like there's a something I don't like about the movie is they should stop and say, okay, there is a problem.
00:52:57
Amelie
white, white. You know what I'm saying?
00:52:59
Jo
But, okay, that's based upon your experience growing up. And it might be the timeline that you grew up in.
00:53:10
Jo
If you used it in Gen X, or this is not quite Gen X, this is like 74 and she's in high school-ish, or getting into high school, or maybe junior high.
00:53:24
Jo
The parents, like the dad's been away. He has to work away. The mom's busy. You know, they just get fucking busy. You know, and on that's, I don't think they all thought she was lying, but she did have a, per chance she did exaggerate things like when the, you know, the horse could scare her by a snake.
00:53:46
Jo
She was from the, I actually thought the horse was kill her too, by the way. Like, shit, they're setting this horse stuff up pretty nicely. But it's kind of like, you know, the snake was actually this big, but it's like, oh, it's 12 feet long, and you know, whatever it's going be.
00:53:57
Jo
So it's like, oh, you're one of those kids, got it. So probably like, some white van, and the white van happened to be placed on. Like, no, no, just it's a white van type thing. This is what is starting to be more of an actual thing. If you look at the historical background, it is going to be like mid-70s, I guess, and Billy Mansfield junior It's going to be kind of there to kill her and he does stalk this person and she does fight back. and Stranger danger starts happening after this. like Stranger danger doesn't happen until 80s.
00:54:37
Jo
It's based on this.
00:54:39
Amelie
Like when you watch 10 Buddy on Netflix, a documentary, a lot of people say in the 60s, people were taking calls, helping each other, like you could walk.
00:54:51
Jo
Yeah, this is like 75 where...
00:54:52
Amelie
There is no problem. You know what I mean? As the 60s, 70s, like no problem. Everybody was really nice. There was no danger whatsoever.
00:55:01
Jo
Well...
00:55:02
Amelie
You see what I mean? The countryside, nothing happened, you know?
00:55:05
Jo
Oh, not exactly.
00:55:06
Amelie
and
00:55:07
Jo
Not in the States. It's just you wouldn't find out about it.
00:55:10
Amelie
In the States, I'm talking about the States. There's a documentary about Tent Buddy. Why people would go to, you know, auto stop.
00:55:21
Jo
Yeah, hitchhikers were more common then.
00:55:25
Amelie
Mm-hmm.
00:55:25
Jo
But picking them up or not or stopping, people would stop to help someone out if they're stranded on the side of the road. But it's usually more of a controlled situation where... What's the proper way of saying this?
00:55:45
Jo
Like, my... I remember my dad would stop for people who were stranded or stop for people who got in an accident. There weren't cell phones then. You had CB, your walkie-talkie was going to be CB, not walkie-talkie.
00:55:58
Jo
And that's how you kind of could get the cops. so before the cops would even understand there was accident, you basically were the first responders. The ambulance was not going to come. There was no cell phone you can call from.
00:56:11
Jo
There might be phones along the line of of the thing or they use your CB and hopefully someone would pick up for, you know, and be able to get the cops on. But you were basically it. At the same time, you didn't walk really kneeling into it.
00:56:25
Jo
You walked knowing very well this person could be faking, but you had to be ready to protect and defend. I believe the last really free hitchhiking was in the 60s.
00:56:38
Jo
like Towards the mid-70s, people started like, oh I don't trust this shit. I mean, I picked up one hitchhiker that remember, and he was some just some dude, but I was also carrying. I'm like, I bet I can kill you before you kill me type thing. I'll give you a ride because you might need one, but I bet if we have to...
00:57:02
Jo
one of us is leaving, it's me. So you have that aspect of it. And this is, again, before Stranger Danger. Stranger Danger happens in the 80s. And it's based upon this. it It starts out this way in like mid-70s.
00:57:18
Jo
That's when people are getting abducted. Like, don't step into the van. The van itself becomes a trope. You know, I i i made a weird joke about this, but...
00:57:31
Jo
like, you you've got kids. What do you tell your kids when someone gives them a piece of candy? What are supposed to say?
00:57:43
Amelie
Thank you.
00:57:45
Jo
Oh. So not boys dark in this van? No? Okay, so yeah, that was the whole thing. Yeah, we say thank We're supposed to program or say, you know, someone gives something to say thank you. But we were warned about vans.
00:58:01
Jo
We were warned about vans, va because vans don't have windows for the most part. So once you end you're in, you're in. there There was a van in Vegas that abducted someone and basically it ended up cutting her up after raping her.
00:58:16
Jo
yeah know, there's vans everywhere. So this is kind of like the big man in the white van is the big scare of the first time we start seeing vans as an actual device to be tortured as a mobile torturing device.
00:58:32
Jo
You know, it's probably the first time ever used, but it starts getting more, more momentum there. And for this movie, I think what does really well, it kind of blends the real with the fake, the real with the movie, right?
00:58:48
Jo
The real with movie. And it it even says at at the end, this it's not a spoiler. It's just like the end kind of thing where this is dedicated to the people who got missing, you know, people who are kidnapped, the people who are just taken, victims.
00:59:02
Amelie
Yes. Mm-hmm.
00:59:05
Jo
And if you look at this time where like, let's say,
00:59:13
Jo
My, we still, I'm not saying we didn't have serial killers. We did. Ed Gein. My mom was well telling stories. i was But whatever. she She's not listening anyways.
00:59:26
Jo
My mom and her sister were approached by Ed Gein as a kid. Their father kind of scooped him up because he was just trying to get victim number 12 type thing.
00:59:38
Jo
So you see these people were more trusting. But then we stopped trusting everyone. Maybe we went too far. We stopped trusting people. And this is what the the man in the white van does really well. It gives you a taste of that cry wolf type mentality because at this point in life, in the 74, 75, people really weren't being snatched yet.
01:00:06
Jo
That happens later. Or actually starts, but the awareness of it happens later, right? So you see almost that innocence of, of course the mom and dad think not much is happening because why would anyone take someone?
01:00:22
Jo
That's unheard of.
01:00:25
Jo
See? Now, you said you liked the movie, and I liked the movie too. I think the acting is phenomenal. I think they got the family dynamic well. I think everything is believable within the world itself.
01:00:39
Jo
And even though i got the movie for Sean Astin, him not being in, like he maybe got like 10, 15 minutes of the entire film. Him not being in it that much actually strengthens the film because we see it through the eyes of the two sisters.
01:00:59
Jo
Predominantly one of them, right? And we see it as a more of a female positive movie. That makes sense? Agree with that one?
01:01:13
Amelie
Definitely. Like for me, don't watch that movie thinking, oh, you're going to have a jump scare.
01:01:14
Jo
Yeah.
01:01:20
Amelie
It's a stress. As a woman, I would say it's a stress, the pressure, the I want to feel protected and I'm in danger.
01:01:23
Jo
Yeah.
01:01:32
Amelie
It's the same stress when you walk along on the street in the countryside and you need to wait for the bus and there is a bus stop and somebody is smoking a cigarette and observing you and you're like, okay, is he just smoking a cigarette and he will he will go to on the bus and leave me alone or is he going to attack me?
01:01:33
Jo
Yeah.
01:01:50
Jo
Right. Yeah.
01:01:53
Amelie
You know, that kind of stress.
01:01:56
Amelie
The stress or I don't feel safe and everybody's laughing at you. Oh, come on. It's just a you're afraid of the dark or something. The stress of being in the middle of nowhere, looking after your parent house and you hear door opening on the back and you're like, okay, is it an intruder?
01:02:17
Amelie
If I take a knife and I stab the intruder, am going to be okay? are you're in constant danger. It's a feminine danger of I need to be back before the sun goes down.
01:02:35
Amelie
i i need to protect my family. close the door, like this kind of stress. The movie did very well with the psychological stress.
01:02:50
Jo
Yeah, it does. It does psychological stress really well. I'm glad you brought that up.
01:02:56
Jo
Because i get get this a bit in person. I get this a bit in person where I'm talking to someone who is a woman. She's like, well, you don't know how it is because you're a man. I'm like, thanks for noticing. No shit.
01:03:15
Jo
So... I understand when you're talking about it, it's gonna hit a female audience differently. Because I can pick up on the stress. I can pick up on the isolation, because I grew up in the middle of fucking nowhere.
01:03:32
Jo
I can pick up on all these things, but I can pick up on it by sometimes people snatch boys, but predominantly,
01:03:46
Jo
Like, predominantly, it's going to be a young girl getting snatched. Predominantly.
01:03:53
Amelie
The interesting thing is after being a receptionist for so many years and listening to men, young men stressed between 15 and 35 years old, Evan, my husband, it's a, you walk down the street at night and you're dark future like Stefan, who looked like a Greek.
01:04:03
Jo
Yeah.
01:04:11
Amelie
And the idea is, am I going to get arrested? Am I going to have problems? Stephen told me he was walking down the street in Sydney. One girl got hit by a guy.
01:04:24
Amelie
And when the police ask, who did that to you? It's him. And Stefan was like, what? Just to arrive on the street. And thank God, there is all the friends who are white like me to say, hey, no, he was with me, just came out of the nightclub.
01:04:37
Jo
yeah
01:04:39
Amelie
It's not him. She's a little bit drunk, etc. And they got the habit. Unfortunately, the police, he's fine. All Stefan would say, oh, you're tall guy, dude. You're tall guy. How many guys try to beat you up just to show their big peacocks?
01:04:56
Jo
Yeah, it's a different system.
01:04:56
Amelie
You don't have this problem? Yeah, voilà.
01:04:58
Jo
Yeah, I do.
01:04:59
Amelie
So you're not going to have the fear of your alone on the street.
01:05:00
Jo
Yeah.
01:05:02
Amelie
I wonder if the guy who smoked a cigarette is going to rape me. But you have the problem of, oh, please don't be a dumbass to try to show off everyone.
01:05:13
Jo
Don't take a fucking swing.
01:05:13
Amelie
I'm a strong guy. Voilà. You have different kind of problem.
01:05:16
Jo
Yeah.
01:05:17
Amelie
You see what I mean?
01:05:18
Jo
Yeah. No, I i i agree. I'm glad you brought that up. And like yeah Thursday... Thursday, I went to Indigo, which is a bookstore in Canada.
01:05:32
Jo
Because I was like, oh, I got some time. I walked the bookstore. And I won Ozzy Osbourne's new memoir, the last memoir, Last Writes by Ozzy Osbourne. And they had it. I could have gotten an Amazon. I'm like, no i I'm just going to go to actually, you know, go to the actual bookstore and buy this. and people were protesting outside the bookstore.
01:05:53
Jo
for apparently they think that buying books there are kills Palestinian kids or some shit. I don't care. Don't know. All I want is a fucking book. And it was older white women who had been sentenced to death in Palestine. Whatever, really you know, whatever, whatever, whatever. We get it.
01:06:11
Jo
Sure. I understand this. And one try to get in my face. I'm like, bitch.
01:06:23
Jo
And I was like, what are you going to She's like 80 years old I'm like, do I have to fucking hit a motherfucker? I mean, all I wanted to get in the bookstore and buy a fucking book.
01:06:34
Jo
That's all I want my day was. Now you have to try to ruin my day because you think if I buy a book, I'm killing Palestinian kids or some shit. Y'all need to shut the fuck up a bit and let me just walk into a book.
01:06:48
Jo
Because I know if I said anything to her, Anything at all. I would be an aggressor. Anything.
01:06:58
Jo
So I tried my best to just say, hey, I'm just getting a book. And tried the best just to get inside the fucking store without being touched because, you know, she's 85. She bounces off.
01:07:12
Jo
Again, for people who don't know, i was once protested against. True. I was protested against. Because someone punched me. and Thanks for zooming in.
01:07:23
Amelie
I love it. I have to tell you.
01:07:25
Jo
It's
01:07:26
Amelie
so and I was like, I was so the conversations, the stories.
01:07:30
Jo
like engrossed.
01:07:32
Amelie
So yeah, I went to the library and I have to tell you. And I'm like, yes, yes.
01:07:37
Jo
yeah and i am now learning the I was protested against because we'll just put it this way. Someone punched me and broke their fucking hand.
01:07:50
Jo
But because I'm a man and I'm six foot five and I'm 200 and some pounds. like No, I didn't do anything to him. The motherfucker punched me and I got sued.
01:08:02
Jo
How the fuck does that work? Like what fucking world does this, it could work. So I got kind of flashbacks to that. I'm like, shit, man, I can't do anything. Cause is about 85 years old.
01:08:17
Jo
Unless she got a knife, she ain't going to fucking hurt me. But he just tried to ignore it.
01:08:22
Amelie
Yeah. Example. She slapped you. Puff. And you slap her back. Puff.
01:08:28
Jo
I'm going to jail for assault.
01:08:29
Amelie
Who's going to? Yeah. This is stupid.
01:08:31
Jo
She slapped me and i raised my hand.
01:08:32
Amelie
You know what I mean?
01:08:34
Jo
Put it this way. If she would have slapped me and I raised my hand to block the slap and she broke her arm, I would go to jail for assault.
01:08:38
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:08:42
Jo
It's fucking stupid. Welcome to Canada.
01:08:45
Amelie
And your life would be... your life would be hell because people would find your address and your picture and he's a teacher and we should stop talking to him and boo how dare you you boo boo boo you know what i mean
01:08:51
Jo
yeah no
01:08:56
Jo
again i got fucking protested years ago and that's exactly what happened I got death threats again someone punched me broke their hand because they punched me and I got death threats what the actual fuck so all I wanted was my Ozzy Osbourne book I walk in And then I'm a bit of a dick, if anyone doesn't know.
01:09:21
Jo
So I went to Starbucks after this, inside the mall. Because apparently starbuss Starbucks also kills Palestinians or some shit. Who knows? I believe they kill them through diabetes.
01:09:32
Jo
Allegedly. I'm sorry, Starbucks. That's a bad joke. So I got my Starbucks and my Ozzy Osbourne book, who's like the prince of fucking darkness. So I'm guessing that's part of the protest too.
01:09:43
Jo
And I walked out of the same door, purposely the same door with my Starbucks in one hand, my Aussie book in the another one, walking out of the the store, they're protesting. And you know what happened?
01:09:56
Jo
They weren't there. they didn't have a protest permit. So the police took them away. Yeah. Apparently by the time I walked through the store and got a Starbucks and come back from my book, the police took them away because they didn't have a permit.
01:10:10
Jo
that 85 years old, like, nothing else to do but protest, and they didn't know they needed a fucking permit.
01:10:17
Jo
Anyways. But that's what it's like when Stefan is saying, like, yeah, some people try to take a swing. Like, yeah, they fucking do. Just, like, the dumbasses, the fucking stupidest shit.
01:10:30
Amelie
That's why Stefan and I, we are friends. Like the story of my husband and I. My husband is Australian. He's Greek-Turkish origin.
01:10:39
Jo
Good night, Mike.
01:10:40
Amelie
And I'm French from North of France. I'm white, as you can see, white like an ass.
01:10:45
Jo
We love you anyways. Right.
01:10:47
Amelie
And being white gives me the privilege of white. to not be victim of racism. So when I'm a friend with somebody who is quote unquote, dark feature, and they go in the train station with me, the police doesn't stop them to check their ID.
01:11:04
Amelie
Or for example, when have a cappuccino with them, There is no manager looking at them to see if they're going to steal something or somewhat.
01:11:15
Amelie
Right? And when there is a problem with a teacher and I write the email or epi pick up the phone, the answer is given the question are asked and received.
01:11:15
Jo
Yeah.
01:11:29
Amelie
Very simple because we don't like accent, especially when they come from Africa. Right? but we like when the French lady speak on the phone, especially in German.
01:11:40
Amelie
So when I met Stefan, I said, I want to be protected. I would love to go to India. I would love to go to Africa. I would love to go to all these different countries. But I know I'm a fragile little lady and I know people are going to check my address. I'm going to be followed. I'm going to have problems with men, etc. I need somebody to give me testosterone, a presence, just a friend, a roommate, a presence.
01:12:07
Amelie
And I'm telling you, The day he started living with me, Evan has a roommate, everything changed. Ding dong.
01:12:19
Amelie
Hi, I'm the new neighbor. heard some noise. There is noise, yes, the music is too loud. I can't call the police. how are you? My name is Emily.
01:12:29
Amelie
Do you speak German? Yes, I speak German. Hello, we get, all the music is a little bit too loud. I'm terribly sorry. My friend from Australia liked hard-trance music. Could we exchange telephone number like this?
01:12:40
Amelie
If there is any problem, you can message us.
01:12:41
Jo
Yeah. Absolutely.
01:12:43
Amelie
No need to the police. We don't want to be in trouble. Everything fine? Good. Me, walking down the street, somebody follow me, and there is my partner, who is dark feature and really robust.
01:12:56
Amelie
Never been annoyed. They know there is a man. there is There is something. Or for example, walking late shift, he's there, there is his presence. Oh, there is a man.
01:13:07
Amelie
Okay, we don't touch, we back up.
01:13:08
Jo
yeah
01:13:09
Amelie
You see what I mean?
01:13:10
Jo
absolutely
01:13:11
Amelie
Sometimes Camille and we have conversation. She had some trouble in her personal life. And she said to me, sometimes I wish you could send me Stefan because she faced problems with men on the street, neighborhood.
01:13:29
Jo
Especially Montreal.
01:13:30
Amelie
Professionally speaking, but having man around, especially when you have a husband, when you're like, I have my husband, there is a protection.
01:13:31
Jo
Yeah.
01:13:40
Amelie
I can see clear night. Kids are no kids. I have a husband. I have a man. And when my manager met the man, when my colleague met the man, when my neighbor sees a man, when people around me sees a man, there is a kind of, okay, there is a male monkey in our life.
01:13:59
Amelie
We step back. There is a... i used to be single. I used to live in Lille. And I had to ask friends to play as a boyfriend.
01:14:12
Amelie
because I had guys who were harassing me and I was just doing my work. My work is to smile. My work is to remember your name and stuff.
01:14:18
Jo
Yeah.
01:14:20
Amelie
At the point, a guy was like following me. I had to to ask a friend to intervene. Why are you following my friend? Why are you following Amélie? She's my girlfriend.
01:14:30
Amelie
Leave her alone.
01:14:30
Jo
Yeah.
01:14:31
Amelie
just
01:14:31
Jo
That's shit.
01:14:32
Amelie
Just act the presence. You come with me, you walk, we hold hands just to show, you know. And it's ridiculous when the 21st century, we would think everything is fine, everybody is equal.
01:14:45
Amelie
No, not at all. Like, but now I've got Stefan and now with Marielle, we've got kids, etc. I don't have this problem, but I still see in the eyes of some men, I'm taken.
01:14:56
Jo
Jesus
01:14:57
Amelie
You see what I mean? you you Guys drink a little bit too much and they tell you what they want to do with you. if they had the hands on you. And often, I saw you on the basement, you were counting T-shirts, you know, if I had just five minutes with you, I would do this, this, this, and you're like, I was walking, dude.
01:15:20
Amelie
I was not wearing makeup, not stator shoes. I was just counting T-shirt.
01:15:23
Amelie
I was doing my job. Are you thinking about that? Like you're telling me that you're a good guy, but are you always thinking about that? And what about the other who don't have...
01:15:23
Jo
jesuse christ
01:15:35
Amelie
You have respect for me because I don't do drugs.
01:15:36
Jo
Give a
01:15:37
Amelie
I'm not an alcoholic. I'm not a slut, like you say. But what about that girl who you don't have respect for because, you know, she does cocaine, and she drinks, etc. And that's a problem I need to face now. Now I've got daughters. How do I teach that to my daughters?
01:15:55
Amelie
See what I mean?
01:15:56
Jo
em a gun
01:15:56
Amelie
And with my son, like your situation, don't hit first because problem can occur. Heaven self-defense.
01:16:05
Jo
Especially these days. I mean, it was weird when I was in Vegas, I think the first time, maybe the first time I did two stints there.
01:16:19
Jo
And i was dating this, God, was dating a doctor, a blonde. Could you imagine this? I was dating a small blonde doctor. Hmm. Do I have a type? Anyways, right? Right.
01:16:31
Jo
And every time I'd like go to the bathroom, you know I was like, we had the bar or casino or whatever. And like every time I would go somewhere to the bathroom or get drinks or something like that, if we're at a table.
01:16:43
Jo
And this like one day after day, like a guy would be in her face or doing some shit. I'm like, dude, what the fuck? This ain't happening. I'll come back and I have to either place hands politely on the person and telling them to get the fuck out.
01:17:00
Jo
Or just like tell him to politely leave. And usually they got the picture.
01:17:10
Jo
And then one day I came back because I forgot what she wanted. i forget forgot I forgot the drink order. And so I came back without the drink. i was like, oh shit. And it turns out that she was setting the guys up by antagonizing them.
01:17:28
Jo
So by the time I came back with a drink or from whatever, i would see the you know like the guy trying to like pick on my girlfriend. was like, oh, no no, you on your own. Good luck with that motherfucker. I'll buy him a drink.
01:17:43
Jo
At this point, I'm not going to beat his ass.
01:17:46
Amelie
I add a fight with Stefan on Sydney because he did it something to me who was not cool. Stefan walks really fast.
01:17:57
Jo
Hmm.
01:17:57
Amelie
And because he's one meta seventeen and smaller than his other friend, he self...
01:18:08
Amelie
He wants his revenge. He's like, oh, youah people you can't walk fast, so I'm going to walk fast, except I'm not his friend. I'm his wife, right?
01:18:18
Jo
Yeah.
01:18:18
Amelie
We were in Sydney. It was the evening. in Easter's and I was walking with him but I was very tired and Stefan walked really really really really fast and he's like six meters over me and I'm like Stefan wait for me Stefan wait for me and there's this guy who just jumped from the street and what's your name can have your telephone number
01:18:42
Amelie
you And I'm like, dude, I'm married. Oh, come on. And i'm like, no, dude, I'm married. My husband is there. Stefan. And Stefan go across the street. And in Australia, is the streets are very long.
01:18:53
Jo
Sounds
01:18:53
Amelie
I had to yell, Stefan, I'm attacked. For him to turn and to go back to me when he saw the guy. And he's like, oh, no, no, no, dude. All good, mate. All good. Hey, she's my wife, dude. You're good. And you know, Stefan, he's got a big voice. So you can hear him.
01:19:09
Jo
so like metberry
01:19:09
Amelie
And I'm like, dude, like seriously, like when you walk down the street at night with me in Sydney, it's side by side, I can have problems.
01:19:20
Amelie
And I was saying that to him, like very important side by side, girl like me, I will get a lot of guys. And as you said, Stefan goes to the toilet or go talk to someone and I'm alone at the bar, five minutes, five minutes of chrono, guy come,
01:19:39
Amelie
Can I pay you a drink?
01:19:40
Jo
Yeah.
01:19:40
Amelie
What's your name? Where you come from? Etc.
01:19:42
Jo
accept
01:19:43
Amelie
You're with a group of friends. I went to with a group of girlfriends to have a drink in Lille. A guy, hey, ladies, how can I have how can i help offer you a drink and try to touch my neck?
01:19:54
Amelie
And you have to ask a waiter to ask him to leave and say, hey, we we want just to be between girls. We are drinking wine. We're fine.
01:20:01
Jo
yeah
01:20:02
Amelie
Bye-bye. Bye-bye. We're fine. I, other advice lady to do something stupid, buy a ring. Buy a ring. Simple ring. And whenever a guy come, Mariette, I'm Mariette.
01:20:15
Jo
Right.
01:20:17
Amelie
When I went to Hard Dog Cafe, my husband, Stefan, is going to pick up my paper. My husband, Stefan, is coming to eat dinner with me. My husband, my husband, my husband.
01:20:25
Jo
right
01:20:27
Amelie
At the point, the manager was like, you're married, Amélie. And I'm like, no, I'm not married, but I want everyone to know Stefan is my husband. I don't want to say boyfriend. He's over 35 years old. We have sex regularly. We want to get married. He's my husband. I don't want, if anyone asks, he is my husband, but he's not my husband.
01:20:46
Amelie
I don't want to have my ass slapped. I don't want people to expose themselves. I don't want people to ask for my telephone number. I'm here to work. take my salary.
01:20:57
Amelie
That's all. I don't want anyone to follow me. No problem at all. They saw Stefan. They know he's my husband. He's my husband. He's my husband. He's my husband. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
01:21:08
Amelie
Because when you say, he's my boyfriend.
01:21:12
Jo
Right.
01:21:12
Amelie
He's my husband.
01:21:13
Jo
Absolutely. And so this goes back to the man in white van because that is the same vibe. That is the same vibe where this guy wasn't picking on guys.
01:21:27
Jo
He was picking on isolated females for whatever fucked up reason in his head. But that was the whole scam for him. And the character was just one of many.
01:21:41
Jo
You know, and and the way she has to go protect herself. And this is why I kind of like the the movie. She's not relying on a boyfriend. She does, I believe, at some point have boy who likes, you know, they kind of like each other.
01:21:56
Jo
But she doesn't rely on him for anything. She relies on herself and sometimes her sister. So it's just really a sisterly story type thing.
01:22:08
Jo
And it goes back to almost an old Harker Jones. I interviewed Harker Jones, the author. He's got a new book, Never Have I Ever. Check it out. He, I think, correctly said he's not afraid to have someone attack him in his home in the city.
01:22:27
Jo
There's too many fucking people. If someone's going to be a break an entry in a city, someone's going to hear. He's afraid when he's in the middle of nowhere. Because ain't no one fucking hearing you.
01:22:41
Jo
And that's where the the man in the white van really hits home. Like if you are walking alone and the city, yes, there's there's dangers. Absolutely, there's they're dangers.
01:22:53
Jo
But there's also people around you. If you're walking through that field in the country, like in Sydney, you're talking you walking across the street in Sydney and that guy jumps out, but he was jumping out and there's not anywhere else near you, you're fucked.
01:23:08
Jo
Ain't no one going to help you. There's no one to help. There's no one that can help you. But if you were doing that in Sydney, even if Stefan wasn't there, there's a chance someone might walk by.
01:23:19
Jo
There's a chance. You have a chance. And I think that's what the man in the white van does really well. It's the isolation of a small town America where ain't no one fucking helping you but you.
01:23:32
Jo
And I think that hits home and kind of wrapping us all up into it. I liked this movie for lot the same reasons we talked about. And we had a great discussion about male versus female perspectives being alone and however the world perceives each of us, you know? Like I had a friend who said, if I saw you walking in the hallway and I didn't know who you were, like we just, you know, which she knew me since I was like five years old.
01:23:58
Jo
She was like, I would walk the other way.
01:24:04
Jo
I'm like, well, thanks, Lisa. Thanks for the fucking vote of confidence on my looks. But just like you look like a scary motherfucker sometimes. So we we see that, how people see each other differently.
01:24:16
Jo
And i think that's a great movie. Of all the movies we talked about today, both of them, this one gave us the most interesting things to talk about thematically-wise.
01:24:28
Jo
and And I think just for that, Man in a White Van... deserves Deserves to be watched. It's a good movie. Is it a theatrical movie versus a in-home? Would you see this in a theater?
01:24:44
Amelie
yeah
01:24:46
Jo
I think so, too. I think this would... I think seeing this in a theater adds to the mystique.
01:24:51
Amelie
Thank you.
01:24:53
Jo
i would also see Borre... Or Borreale. Jesus Christ, man. Borley Rectory The Awakening in the theater just because the set is gorgeous. I would just watch it for the fucking, the set porn of it.
01:25:05
Jo
But Man in a White Van, I would see it in a theater because I think the vastness of it and the isolation of it will help pop out the suspense.
01:25:17
Jo
It works fine in your house. It works fine in a fucking, I think I watched it in my living room. It works fine. But I think both of these are theatrical movies for different reasons.
01:25:28
Jo
This one definitely deserves a theatrical view, if you can do it. Because it does so much well. And it adds to that creepy vibe part of it.
01:25:41
Jo
You know, I appreciate it. And got it again, I got it for Sean Astin. And he's only in it for like maybe 15, 20, you know, maybe 15, 16 minutes. fifteen sixty minutes But he doesn't have to be in it.
01:25:53
Jo
The two kids carry the fucking film. Entirely. I don't think we even see the bad guy until like... mean, it's just the van. The van is the bad guy.
01:26:04
Jo
The van is a symbol, right? And it works well on so many levels. So that's it. So we have Borley Reactor. Reactor, fuck me. That should be a new movie.
01:26:17
Jo
Borley. Rectory. The Awakening. Ugh. And The Man in the White Van. Both are good movies. Both are very much worth watching.
01:26:28
Jo
I think the stronger the two is Man in the White Van. Because I think the writing is better. And the acting i'm both are top notch. And I would love to see these. These are great Halloween movies.
01:26:42
Jo
They really are. They're rewatchable too.
01:26:44
Amelie
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:26:45
Jo
Yeah, and they're rewatchable. was a nice part of it. So that's it for this week. Next week, I believe we're doing Tron Aries. Spoiler the shit out, Tron Aries for everyone. and Until then, myself, Joe, and Amelie, we bid you good day.
01:27:00
Jo
Unless you see me walking, and then apparently get to walk through the other way. Bye, everyone.