Introduction and Spoiler Warning
00:00:07
Jo
Everyone, Joe and Amelie here for Dexter. We've got some movies coming up later. We've got Ro coming up and a different one from Rocky Horror Pitcher Show. But right now, right now, we've got Dexter Resurrection, Season 1, Episode 4.
00:00:23
Jo
Full of spoilers. If you haven't watched it, go watch it first, then come back. Why don't you like, subscribe, and then come back? Or put us in pause, and I don't care. So, how you been today, Amelie?
00:00:37
Amelie
I was fine Joe, today was good.
Streaming Woes and VPN Solutions
00:00:42
Jo
We try to get you watching Joe Bob Briggs, but apparently Shudder is not in your area because of Prague.
00:00:51
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, you gave me the link, I checked and they were like, sorry, not present, but you can continue to stalk us if you want.
00:01:00
Amelie
So I will stalk them. So I need to find the address.
00:01:02
Jo
So... well We should figure something out for people who are in Prague. And if you are in Prague and you watch Joe Bob, what VPN do you use? ah Basically, that's it. I think that'll pretty much work.
Dinner with Serial Killers
00:01:13
Jo
right, so on this one, full Dexter, full now.
00:01:17
Jo
This is the one that I liked. This is the episode I really liked because I got to see all of the serial killers that Dexter has dinner with. And this is the one that made you go, oh no, when you saw the trailer for it because you saw all these these stars making basically guest appearances, right?
00:01:34
Amelie
Correct. That's not my favorite tip episode, number one. And number two, when I saw it on Trader, I was like, no, no, no.
00:01:43
Jo
And I was like, yeah, give it to me.
00:01:43
Amelie
They're fucking up Dexter. Dexter is not like that. There is no 80 stars. There is no cameos. There is no, there's just people you don't know. and And that's all. And I saw one by one, every character. And I'm like, oh, come on, not that person.
00:02:01
Amelie
Of course, that person from Game of Thrones. Of course, that woman with dark hair. Of course, she's always in this, the dark angel coming up, you know.
Uma Thurman's Surprise Role
00:02:11
Amelie
The only one I was surprised to see was the actor from Modern Family.
00:02:16
Amelie
I was like, ah he's playing a bad guy. He always plays a good guy, the goofy one. I was like, oh, that's interesting.
00:02:28
Amelie
But after I was like, yeah, great. He both Dexter, they bring all the Ailey stars and they're going to do I don't know what with the series.
00:02:40
Jo
Although when I did see Peter Dinklage on the promo, i was like, oh, what the fuck they're doing? But it works for me. It actually works. And these are all, for me, amazing actors and actresses.
00:02:51
Jo
If you don't know who they all are, let's go. First of all, Uma Thurman plays Charlie. She is Peter Dinklage's like right hand. the the She's the heavy.
00:03:02
Jo
We see her throughout. And I didn't realize was Uma Thurman. the first time when she was messing up that one serial killer in a couple episodes ago, like after you see more time like, Oh my God, that really is a more Thurman.
00:03:14
Amelie
It's during the dinner I realized it was her because she's beautiful, but she was like so professional.
00:03:20
Amelie
I saw into character. i was like, okay, she's a beautiful blonde. I look at her and say, wonder how old she is. ah she looks like me. I wonder if I would look at it like her when I would be older.
00:03:32
Amelie
I'm turning 40 in five years. I wonder how I would look like. She looks very classy. Wait a minute.
Peter Dinklage's Complex Character
00:03:39
Amelie
Is it her? Is it you, my Tomann?
00:03:41
Amelie
And I hop on, like, Google, and I was like, oh, it's you, my Tomann. I didn't realize.
00:03:45
Jo
See, you didn't mind that one then. You didn't mind little Kill Bill action.
00:03:49
Amelie
Yeah. Yeah, and I love Kill Bill. Like, I didn't recognize her. I don't understand. Like, normally, I always recognize her in the snap of a finger.
00:03:59
Amelie
I watch a lot of her movie, famous and unfamous, you know.
00:04:04
Amelie
And, yeah. She, she,
00:04:08
Jo
She blends into the character really well. she does that know This is a great job ah acting. When you blend in, like, oh my God, you're right. I didn't recognize her until I saw her at the dinner too. And it's only because you spend so much time with her. It's not like, oh, right.
00:04:22
Jo
It's like watching Tom Cruise in Tropic Thunder.
00:04:25
Amelie
yeah I didn't know it was him I didn't know it was him it's my husband the second time we watch it together he was like this is the only movie I like to watch
00:04:25
Jo
It took me until like the end credit scene to go, oh my God, it's Tom Cruise.
00:04:39
Amelie
Tom Cruise and I'm like Tom Cruise where is he? He's like here, he plays a really it's him!
00:04:46
Jo
That's amazing. And this is the kind of thing we're having with serial killers. So we have Uma Thurman. And we'll go on. The next one is going to be, ah well, Peter Dinklage, we talked about before. He's not quite the serial killers, but he's a collector. He's a rich guy.
00:05:00
Jo
He actually pretty much is his Game Thrones character years from now.
00:05:05
Amelie
I watched the trailer and I just saw the part when he's like, oh, I'm a very big fan of yours. And i'm like, it's going to be shit. But when I discover that character, oh, he plays very well.
00:05:17
Amelie
Like that character suits him so well because he's not doing just collection.
00:05:22
Amelie
He's not just crazy.
00:05:24
Amelie
He's a man who is handicapped.
00:05:26
Amelie
And he's a philanthropist. He's rich.
00:05:30
Amelie
He knows everything about everyone, but it's well written and the character is well paid.
00:05:36
Amelie
And I'm like, oh, really good.
00:05:40
Jo
He's Tyrion without the whores.
00:05:41
Amelie
Layered and everything. Yes.
00:05:43
Jo
He's Tyrion Lannister without whores, but just collecting serial killer people.
Supporting Actors' Contributions
00:05:49
Jo
but That's like the whole zag right there. and And he does it well. He does it well. He actually does play...
00:05:55
Jo
like Peter Dinklage has played like the heavy in some play, the heaviest, right? or Or the tweener where it's not quite the hero, not quite the antagonist in some movies. And he does it really well.
00:06:07
Jo
He does it really well because he's got natural charisma.
00:06:10
Jo
So you want to like, oh, it's decent. And then he can be some scumbag character. he's still feelful because he has natural charisma. He fleshes out the characters that could have been a caricature, but they're not.
00:06:24
Jo
And I think that's what everyone brings here. Like we go from there when Neil Patrick Harris plays Lowell. Lowell. I can't say the words today. Another serial killer.
00:06:35
Jo
And we see Neil Patrick Harris is like the whatever mode in it. And he does it really well. it looks like the Neil Patrick Harris and Hector and Kumar go to White Castle. It's like that version of him. It's that area of him, right?
00:06:48
Jo
And again, child actor that made it big, you know, fantastic acting. You see, we already talked about Eric Stolham Street. And honestly, when was watching this, like the guy looks familiar. it looks familiar And I was looking the IMDb, I'm like, holy shit, that is the guy from Modern Family.
00:07:09
Jo
You know, he always plays these nice characters. Every once while, he'll play it heavy, but he's usually the... We remember him as the bubbly personality from Modern Family.
00:07:21
Amelie
Yeah, correct. Yeah.
00:07:23
Jo
right And then he plays this serial killer who likes to cut the pointy tails of his victims because they all have long hair.
00:07:34
Jo
Rapunzel. like to go running. And then last but not last but not least, my God, like i I got blindside. David Desmalchian playing the Gemini killer.
00:07:51
Jo
which is fascinating because it's a throwback to ah Exorcist 3, you know, and and the whole movie franchise there. And it's kind of like a nod, nod, nod to Zodiac Killer.
00:08:05
Jo
And they kind of make him real in this mythology with through Dexter's world. ah And David, we actually have an interview. I'm not sure if it's a magazine or a book anthology yet, but it's either going to be the last anthology I do or the first magazine I do.
00:08:22
Jo
But we actually have an interview with with David being put in there. And so it's kind of cool to see him in this episode because I can kind of bring it back to the interview we did with Catherine Crowley.
Kristen Ritter and Dexter's Dynamics
00:08:33
Jo
And last but not least, ha ha ha, Kristen Ritter, who plays Mia. And if you ever watched Jessica Jones, you've seen Kristen Ritter before. All right, so we have all these actors and actresses and she does an amazing job.
00:08:50
Jo
She is charming and you almost believe the backstory. You almost believe the backstory, right?
00:08:59
Jo
Where I was raped as a kid. This is why I'm getting my revenge. I only do it.
00:09:03
Jo
I have a code and Dexter definitely believes the backstory.
00:09:07
Amelie
Yeah. And a lot of people who watch some episodes, went on forums where people watch episode by episode and talk to each other. They're really interesting by the friendship between Dexter and her.
00:09:19
Amelie
They're like, oh, that's interesting. It's not just different characters you meet.
00:09:24
Amelie
where you're like, they all say a killer, and he's just going to a place where everybody's like him, so he can get information, talk, etc., be himself.
00:09:33
Amelie
But also, meeting a character like her, who has a reason to kill, bad guy, with a backstory, etc., cetera with a code, it's an interesting plot twist.
00:09:45
Amelie
And for the synopsis, He presents himself as Red, a guy who struggled people in taxes.
00:09:53
Amelie
However, he's Dexter. He killed only Théoclis Killer.
00:09:58
Amelie
Yes, so is he going to reveal to her? Is he going to make a friendship? Is it going to be a duo? We don't know. So that's an interesting synopsis.
00:10:09
Amelie
That's the only thing about the episode really liked was like, oh, interesting. I was triggered by that. I was like, oh... and to what kind of killers they are and voila.
00:10:20
Jo
Yeah. And that goes that goes into a long way. What kind of killers are there? Like, Neil Patrick Harris' character is basically a piece of shit. Like, he's just killing people like, oh, she's got a tattoo of that whore. Whatever.
00:10:35
Jo
You know, or Eric Stonestreet's character, also a piece of shit. You know, and we get to see some of his kills later on. no no big spoilers there. And we see this, like, in David Delfemusian's character.
00:10:49
Jo
It's just, again, ah piece of shit. So yeah, had like three pieces of shit that definitely fit fucking Dexter's code to kill them all. And then you got Kristen Ritter's character, the anomaly.
00:11:03
Jo
Right? That's kind of like someone you can actually bond with. And without spoiling how things go later on in the season, but were you rooting for Dexter and Mia to get together?
00:11:16
Amelie
Not to get together, but to become friends.
00:11:19
Jo
You're saying more friendly. I was rooting for more of the, you know,
00:11:22
Amelie
no No, no, no, no, not at all.
00:11:25
Amelie
In the contrary, I'm tired of whenever there is a man and a woman who work together, sex.
00:11:32
Amelie
Like for example, Scully was never attended to become ah love interest in X-Files. It was just a psychologist who talked to an agent.
00:11:45
Amelie
Simple as that. Let's talk. You think your sister got addicted by the alien. You believe in the paranormal.
00:11:54
Amelie
but ali betterda And there were friends and that's all.
00:11:58
Amelie
It was a breakthrough on tv TV because you could see a woman who was a doctor, psychologist, somebody who believed in science, like science, etc.
00:12:06
Jo
And she's good at talking about sex too, by the way.
00:12:08
Jo
She's a good sex therapist.
00:12:10
Amelie
Yeah. And she became later a sex therapist in
00:12:13
Jo
but Later on, another doctor. Right. Exactly.
00:12:14
Amelie
which Which is really cool. I watched the series because you watched the series.
00:12:17
Amelie
And I was actually ah positively positively surprised.
00:12:23
Amelie
I really like that. And I really like her speech when she received an award.
00:12:27
Amelie
And she's like, when you blow your friend down to you, men are at bus. Stay on the stop. There is a note also always another one who comes after.
00:12:36
Amelie
And I really like that because she pushed girls to think about them themselves and not just relationships.
00:12:40
Jo
So. Right. So you're seeing this is going to be more and akin that you'd rather have Mia and Dexter become friends and not just love interest you're.
00:12:51
Jo
Interesting. I wish they would be romantic, but i see what you're saying.
00:12:53
Amelie
Yeah, because she's... Because, be honest, she's way younger than him, number one. Number two, they can be friends, like you need friends more than what?
00:13:05
Jo
Oh, sorry. My finger is stuck. It's arthritis. My finger is stuck like this. Oh, there you go.
00:13:11
Amelie
Okay, let's say, for example, ah ah Dexter would be, let's say, be between 25 and 30 years old. and she would be dexter age so 50
00:13:22
Jo
Oh, I'll say i it. but sorry How old do you think extra is? I'm curious.
00:13:26
Amelie
because I think dexter he about your age 50 and over I think
00:13:32
Jo
Okay, I agree with that.
00:13:33
Amelie
I think he's a 50 and over right because if the situation would be reverse if she was 55 years old and he was 30 years old would you like to see them being love interest
00:13:35
Jo
and now I agree with that. We're probably probably probably a VG. Yes.
00:13:53
Amelie
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:13:55
Jo
You have to understand, Frank, most the game, back up. You just want to like a thing. I'm going to skirt over this. We'll get back into the the movie. ah That's like an entire trope. That's like that's the the American Pie trope.
00:14:07
Jo
That's where the MILF trope comes from, right? American Pie. Where Stifler's mom is extremely hot and very sexual. Right? And then she goes on vacation to like Thailand hotel and she dies. But, ah just like wrapping up White Lotus for you guys, by the way.
Dexter and Mia's Relationship Debate
00:14:26
Jo
it doesn't matter it doesn't matter if if Dexter is 55 and Mia is like 30-something. don't really see... it like They're of age.
00:14:39
Jo
you know And she's she's killing people. She's not exactly the Cinderella. She's pretty hands-on with it. Now, it's interesting. I do agree they should be at least...
00:14:53
Jo
I'm not saying Sam and Diane. Maybe that would be incorrect where Sam and Diane were more fated to be together. Maybe what would be a good TV equivalent to this, where they start out as friends?
00:15:11
Amelie
um The Mentalist. The Mentalist with the Australian actor Simon Baker.
00:15:18
Amelie
They start as just acquaintances and he's the husband of a victim.
00:15:18
Jo
Sam and Baker, Patrick Jane.
00:15:25
Amelie
He lost his ah daughter because of the serial killer.
00:15:29
Amelie
They start as friends, like really, really, really good friends.
00:15:32
Jo
For five or six seasons.
00:15:33
Amelie
And for five, six, zone and all a sudden...
00:15:41
Jo
All of a sudden, fucking happens.
00:15:41
Amelie
other degree have a very old okay good
00:15:44
Jo
That's okay. You go to your delivery. I'll talk. I'll talk. I'll take over. ah she gets We'll talk about her since you can't hear us now. So... All of a sudden, like five, six seasons, well, it kind of a slow boil to that, right? It's slow boil for the mentalist where he gets with Lisbon.
00:16:02
Jo
You know, but it's an entire love story. And I think that's why i was hitting with Kristen Ritter's character. It's with her and, you know, Mia and Dexter.
00:16:15
Jo
It could be friends with. Because they're both serial killers, they both have a code, and then it can be romantic interest. doesn't necessarily mean sex. you know I don't think maybe Dexter was ready for sex and maybe ah Mia was not.
00:16:31
Jo
Now, we can have this expanded on. If this was going for multiple seasons, yes, maybe that's where they end up. But right now, I agree. I think their characters are just being...
00:16:43
Jo
you know Dexter gets someone to play with. And I think that's important for Dexter and this the missing element of being human. He's had that before in the original series. Like, oh, i can play with you. And then the serial killer becomes a complete sociopath.
00:16:57
Jo
yeah Or just like a psycho, psycho psychopath of no redeeming qualities, really.
00:17:03
Jo
We all have seen that happen two or three times through the original series. So it's nice to see someone that he sees a code with and he kind of messes or meshes with the code at the same time the voice of harry is going like dude what the fuck dexter what are we doing here like what are we doing we're having a lunch with these people now now we're having a lunch with them we're supposed to be killing them not like don't play for food extra that type of thing because if he's killing people who have, you know, ah let's say, committed a bunch of crimes, then now he's like in a place where they all committed by default to get in, committed all these crimes.
00:17:44
Jo
So it's a bit like a buffet for him in more than ways than one. But the telling thing is, when they go through the memorabilia, and then some are going to be from real life, some are going to be from the made-up TV, you know, the show mythology,
00:18:03
Jo
And he's like, oh my God, like he sees his blood slides. He starts playing with them and and the guy's like, no, don't touch that. That was just such a natural reaction for Dexter to have, I think, is if you see something, welcome back.
00:18:17
Jo
We're talking about Dexter's reaction to the blood slides for the first time. He sees this his blood slides and he starts playing with them and Tinklage is like, no, no, what the fuck you're doing? Like, don't touch those.
00:18:27
Amelie
Yeah, at that moment I thought, he's done.
00:18:31
Amelie
He's going to to see he's a butcher, blah, blah, blah. blah blah blah
00:18:36
Amelie
And there is even a moment when I was like, they know so much information about everyone. He's super rich. He does it for years on. Like, he must know he's a butcher. Yeah, but butcher.
00:18:49
Amelie
Like, come on. Like, he cannot be that naive. He has so many, so many information.
00:18:55
Jo
Yeah. Exactly. it It's weird because they're buying into the Bay Harbor butcher being dokes. I get historically cool. It's like saying Jeffrey Dahmer turned out to be someone else. Like, oh my God, that would freak me out. Like, really?
00:19:11
Jo
That guy really wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer? Like the one that we killed, I mean, we got killed in prison? Like that guy really wasn't Jeffrey Dahmer, it was someone else? Like that's like, there wasn't really like the the butcher of whatever Wisconsin, what they call him?
00:19:25
Jo
And to have that, but being very wealthy, having all these resources and having it all dialed in, you didn't know Dexter wasn't red.
00:19:38
Jo
that what That's what gets me, just because of the thumbprint. He had too much reliance on technology versus actually vetting the person. So if they broke into his house, they could have seen who he was.
00:19:51
Jo
They would have done a due diligence. then Then they do that later on. They do that later on to a point where like, wow, I should have done that like before and save us a season. But yeah, I agree. I thought like, oh my God, Dexter is up.
00:20:03
Jo
Or sometime he's just going to say, fuck it. I am the Bay Harbor Berger. I killed Red. That's my street cred, right? i don't know. And all this is happening.
00:20:16
Jo
We see that Angel arrives in New York and starts messing up left and right. Angel's on a mission. He is a bull in a china shop.
Angel's Obsession and Dexter's Challenges
00:20:30
Jo
He's on a mission to catch Dexter and kill him or bring him to justice at all costs, and it's sloppy. It's sloppy. So what do you think when Angel coming? You like the character of Angel, right?
00:20:44
Amelie
correct yes I did no no no
00:20:46
Jo
Do you like him doing the investigation of Dexter? Or excuse me, on Dexter, should say?
00:20:56
Amelie
no ah it's too on the nose it's it's messy like it goes to New York why are you going to New York number one
00:21:03
Jo
Yeah, it is. Yeah. Yeah.
00:21:08
Amelie
Why you don't contact someone from New York and say this is a situation, yadad yadada, I know he's in the zone, etc. It's little bit cowboy for my days.
00:21:19
Amelie
After, interpreted it like suicide. like The guy is like, I have nothing left. I'm retiring. I want to catch him up for my old friends who are all dead.
00:21:29
Amelie
so I know I can place myself in danger, but it's everything single or nothing.
00:21:37
Jo
Yeah. There is a hatred that's consuming Batista.
00:21:43
Jo
And we're going to see this come to fruition in a couple episodes from now. But it is I like to believe Batista is this cuddly little teddy bear detective who was tough but sweet at the same time.
00:21:59
Jo
gone. Gone. is the cuddly persona of Bertissa. He's being consumed by this. He's being consumed by you know by basically by the dark side of the force at this point, right?
00:22:11
Jo
And I agree, it's messy. but The investigation he's doing is messy. He's trying to play all G shucks with the people who know better. He's out of his element from Miami.
00:22:24
Jo
He's still smart, but he's messing up in a lot of little ways. I think I'm going bite him in the butt later on. And I think actually the season goes on that they do.
00:22:35
Jo
And at the same time, so he's kind of having in heavy handed with Dexter's son and his son son's friend. But Dexter finds something horrific out about Red.
Dexter's Dual Identity Struggle
00:22:50
Jo
So he's like, oh my God, all this meat is like, here's your salary stick, bitch.
00:22:53
Amelie
What did you think about the meat? Because I look at the meat, I was like, ho, ho, ho.
00:22:59
Jo
Yeah, and Perp Dexter's like, oh, I hate this. ah hatha when it was Once he breaks down, it's like, oh my God, it's so good. I'm breaking my own like you know vegan code. you know And it's kind of like one of those like, yeah. ah Who used to do that?
00:23:16
Jo
Penn and Teller. Penn and Teller used to do that to people who were vegans. Like, oh, have a fucking steak. And they're like, sometimes their first hamburger or first hamburger in a long time was with Penn and Teller.
00:23:30
Jo
This is like years and years ago. I think now Penn might be a vegetarian. But you you see that with Dexter. And it's a human moment. Like, oh man, i have to keep character. Same time.
00:23:41
Jo
Fuck, that's a steak. And i had to eat this fucking twig. Instead, because Red apparently is a vegetarian. Fuck me, man. And all this is going on.
00:23:54
Jo
You see, Lull is a scumbag. Like, Neil Patrick Harris' character is complete scumbag. And you almost wish for his death.
00:24:07
Jo
I think Mia even says, man, I can't stand this guy. But, Peter Dinklage has rules. Rule number one, don't fuck what you eat.
00:24:21
Jo
You can't kill each other. You have to be nice and nice. Otherwise, we will take care of you quite succinctly and remove you from the fucking chessboard. The end is a warning.
00:24:33
Jo
So now Dexter has to fight with this, the urge to kill these people who do not fit as, I mean, do not have a code like Mia has a code who fit his code and very much like Lowell fits his code.
00:24:49
Amelie
Yeah, and it's interesting because for a moment in an episode, he can be himself, even if he's not himself.
00:24:56
Amelie
He said, I want everyone to call me Red. Okay, hi Red, hi Red. So this is how i felt, and this is how i discovered myself to become a serial killer, yadadi, yadada, and patati, and patata. And you can really feel in the eyes of the actor a relief to say, oh, I'm a serial killer just like you, and I thought I was the only one, blah, blah, blah.
00:25:16
Amelie
And they all sympathize. like They're like, yeah, the first time you're a little bit shy and everything, but you will get used to it. And it's really nice to talk to everyone and to be understood, et cetera, et cetera. And sometimes we have plays with each other.
00:25:29
Amelie
And there's one character he really liked who is a father and has children.
00:25:35
Amelie
And he shows a family picture and stuff. And that's something Dexter always wanted. He always wanted to be a father. And his biggest struggle was like, can I be a father?
00:25:45
Amelie
and a serial killer at the same time.
00:25:47
Jo
Kind of balance my two selves. Yeah.
00:25:49
Amelie
Correct. And the only man who was doing that was Trinity. Trinity, who killed his wife, by the way, had a family.
00:25:56
Jo
And had Tom Hanks as a son or Tom Hanks' son as a son.
00:26:03
Amelie
But you meet his family and you find out he's a complete psycho with around his family. He breaks his son's finger and everything like crazy, crazy.
00:26:14
Amelie
But that's one of Dexter's dream, to be a father, to have a family,
00:26:23
Jo
Yeah, and I think he sees a friendship and romantic interest with Mia, I think I might be corrected for Mia.
00:26:23
Amelie
even if he's a psychopath.
00:26:30
Jo
Her sister was sexually assaulted by her stepfather, and that was the first kill.
00:26:36
Jo
I don't think she said she was, and that's just me and correct to myself. But it still gives a code, and everyone else has no code. It's just going through, and Dexter can see there's some normalcy in Mia.
00:26:48
Jo
Everyone else is batshit crazy.
00:26:51
Jo
they're They're regular killer types, right? But there's some normalcy in Mia.
00:26:54
Jo
And I think that connects them together like that because they're the two normal people in a hospital crazies.
00:27:00
Amelie
Yeah. But what I don't like about the idea of romantic interest between Dexter and Mia, it's always like that, the trope of it's a man and a woman, therefore they're going to be a couple.
00:27:14
Amelie
I don't like that. ah I like the idea of it's a man and a woman they have two different way to kill to see society etc they can help each other give teeth to each other save each other ah yes yeah
00:27:27
Jo
And that's what it looks like at the end. When she's taking Dexter on a job. It looks like they're just going to have fun. Like his friends would. You know like we're going to the app you and I go into an absent bar in Prague.
00:27:39
Jo
They're just going out to kill people. Same concepts, right?
00:27:43
Jo
And i agree. And then while this is happening, that they're doing a good job at balancing these different stories out.
00:27:50
Jo
Because you still have Harrison. He's going to come back in And Elsa talks to Angel. And she's like, I don't think he killed this person. And Angel's like, oh, yeah, no, I don't think he either.
00:28:02
Jo
And now Angel realizes that Harrison probably just killed someone too. And learned from the best. Like the Bay Harbor butcher. To clean up his mess.
00:28:13
Jo
you know And so he's getting these things by accident and building his own narrative, which happens to be true. The narrative kind of true to a point. an Angel takes it a bit ah beyond what actually happens in reality.
00:28:26
Jo
But he's he's pretty correct on most of it. Enough to be like, he's still a decent detective, right?
00:28:36
Jo
But he's a mess up. He's going to mess up. He's gonna mess up. He's going mess up. And to your point, when Mia kind of wants to have sexual tension or relations with Dexter, he he nopes out.
Dexter: Serial Killer vs. Father
00:28:52
Jo
He could have, but he doesn't. He could have, but he doesn't. And I think that's, I think you said that's good for you, right? Yeah.
00:29:00
Amelie
Yeah, that's very interesting because she plays a sexual card because she's a little bit French. She speaks French. They don't stop to make her speak French and stuff and talk about the wine and everything.
00:29:11
Amelie
So you have the caricature of the French who is very free and have sex with... ah Yeah, yeah, exactly.
00:29:15
Jo
She texted, do you suck? And he's like, ah bring him back to that.
00:29:19
Amelie
Do you suck? Do you suck? Let's go. Let's have some...
00:29:23
Amelie
Like, yeah, I know my problem with the idea of a man and a woman screen and they became friends and there is a sexual tension, and blah, blah, blah.
00:29:35
Amelie
It's a sexuality of basically the co-worker. The idea of if there is a man and a woman, they're going to bang, bang. While you can be a man and a woman, become friends, help each other, and there is no sex attendant.
00:29:49
Amelie
It's always, ah oh, they're going to have sex.
00:29:53
Jo
The old Hollywood it would move, right?
00:29:55
Jo
Everyone has to be sexualized, right? Yeah.
00:29:57
Amelie
And I remember when I was a little girl and I was watching ah TV, it was always Aris Enfon who was 55 years old and Nicole Kimman who was 22 years old, you know. I'm like, why is not the inverse? you know But when it's the inverse, she's the CEO and is just an agent, like Jens Bond.
00:30:15
Amelie
Recently, Jens Bond had sex with an older woman. which is great.
00:30:25
Amelie
Yeah. Monica Pellucci.
00:30:29
Amelie
The actress Monica Pellucci, who was at that time 50, 51 years old, she became a James Bond girl. So in one episode with Daniel Craig. So big, big thing, you know, but it's always like the guy who is 50 something and the young girl with 20 something.
00:30:46
Amelie
And I don't like that. I think it's dirty. Like what is the character where two men, A man who is in his 50s and a young man who is is in his 20s. Well, they would be the mentor and the teacher.
00:30:58
Amelie
Or, for example, they would be friends like, I don't know, like Doc and Marty, for example. Who is a teenager, by the way? You see what I mean? Like it's never...
00:31:08
Jo
I'm not familiar with that Shiva show. So, you're okay, if you're saying, about this? If Angel comes in to talk to Harrison and he's a mentor, you'd be like, cool.
00:31:20
Jo
Angel is the older guy mentoring Harrison. you know Or if, who would be? Kristen Ritter, which would be in her 30s, meets Harrison with Dexter.
00:31:35
Jo
And then those two get together. You'd be cool because she's older and Harrison is, i think, like 20, 19, 20. Why
00:31:44
Amelie
yeah there is no problem if it's a reverse like there is no problem if it's men and women no no don't turn my words
00:31:48
Jo
why is there a problem the other way then?
00:31:52
Amelie
I say there is no problem if it's a...
00:31:53
Jo
No, you said there's no problem if it's reversed.
00:31:55
Amelie
It's no problem in the sense of it's always, oh, she's 20-something and is 50 years old and we're going to have sex. Bang, bang, bang. And I'm like, yeah, fuck off. Like, you don't go out at the end.
00:32:09
Amelie
Like, no. Yes, it would be interesting if it's reverse, right?
00:32:13
Jo
Okay, this will to be more interesting. Okay, I got it. Okay.
00:32:16
Amelie
Like in the sense of, yeah, I don't mind if she has sex with Dexter. I'm not surprised, you know, I'm not at least surprised. If it's a younger man with an elder woman, I will be like, ah, ah something would change, you know, the twist, you know.
00:32:33
Amelie
While in reality, a lot of people who are men have sex with older women, way older women than them. Or... um Yeah, like ah the good old Abba.
00:32:45
Amelie
If it's an older woman and she's dating a younger guy, she's a cougar. But a man who's just said dating a younger woman, Abba is just a man. And you watch TV and bang, you know.
00:32:56
Jo
1967, The Graduate. I mean, that's basically the movie.
00:32:59
Amelie
Yeah, but the plot twist was like he fucked the mother, but he's in love with the daughter and...
00:33:07
Amelie
It was all the thing of, oh, look, she's old and she's in her 40s and na-na-na-na-na. And yeah, she's really she she's really sexy.
00:33:07
Jo
Who hasn't at some point?
00:33:13
Jo
She's got paint on her clothes.
00:33:17
Amelie
She's really sexy.
00:33:18
Amelie
She's a 40-year-old woman who really sexy. Or, for example, there's a spirit housewife. All the actresses are over 40, except Eva Longoria. And they're sexy.
00:33:31
Amelie
They're hot. They have a sexuality.
00:33:32
Jo
And they're desperate.
00:33:33
Amelie
um Yeah, but there is...
00:33:34
Jo
Apparently. Okay. Well, you sure.
00:33:36
Amelie
o Or for example, I don't know Sex and the City Samantha You see Blah blah blah blah blah.
00:33:43
Jo
ah Again, I don't watch any of this stuff. I have no idea.
00:33:47
Amelie
Yes, I know but from the point of view I give the point of view of a woman right I give the point of view of somebody who's going to celebrate this 35 years old right it's always
00:33:48
Jo
we're You're just saying random words.
00:33:56
Jo
Okay. Which is fine. I just don't i don't i don't watch Desperate Housewives or Sex and the Cities. so i don't know what you're talking about.
00:34:02
Amelie
Yeah, yeah, but these series are very interesting for women why because you see people who are older people who are 40 you should just play the suicidal woman of 40 she's old and you need to forget about it there is no role in America in Hollywood America in series when they're 40 years old either alcoholics or they're witches or they're boring or they're dead because they're murdered by their husband or whatsoever
00:34:33
Amelie
And watching this series where they sexualize, even if they're mother, even if they got married, even if they got divorced or they're widow, etc., it's really interesting.
00:34:43
Amelie
It changed. It's not the most intellectual, but it's really interesting. Like, I recently watched it, this series, I recently watched it from the eyes of somebody with such a mother and everything.
00:34:58
Amelie
And it's more interesting than I thought. I guess some episodes were really funny, but it's really interesting because it questions people.
00:35:07
Amelie
Like, what's motherhood? Or when your child is an adult and is a real dickhead, do you have to still suffer when he's past 21 years old? you know Because sometimes it's difficult. Or...
00:35:22
Amelie
how do you deal with grief can you remarry after becoming a widow and lab lab lab there' is a lot of question like that there is also a question about sex security and beautiful interition and stuff and stuff and so but it's really interesting to see this kind of topic so to go back to dexter and her lu i found it boring oh i on sex with you of course you really want to have sex with him of course foteier's a girl who is a killer, you know, and I'm young and beautiful. ah
00:35:54
Amelie
I'll have a fun, fun with you. Oh, if you won't, come by my flat and we're going to have sex. Yeah, cool. Great. Oh, again. Oh, I'm so entertained. Yeah, you know what I mean?
00:36:06
Jo
Tell me what you really think, though.
00:36:08
Jo
You're holding back. like Tell me what you really think about them going together or not. No. Okay. Sure. Again, this is different. People are watch it. I didn't really think that they're going to have sex that time.
00:36:23
Jo
then And they didn't. But I just saw them as a romantic but not sexual at this point. You know. oh But ah was good for me. ah For me, I liked it because you see Dexter being able to fit in somewhere.
00:36:44
Jo
He still has to pretend to be red still. But he's fitting in more than he ever had before. Every time he had to fake it, now he's just kind of like himself, although a different version because he's still lying about who he is.
00:36:59
Jo
You know, that's the interesting part for me for that one. And i also do like that Dexter's like, fuck it, I'm going kill Lowell now. You know, Lowell moved up his going to kill someone else, so Dexter wants to save Lowell's next victim, so he steps in and straps him to the table.
00:37:21
Jo
And Lowell's kind of like, you know, I'm not going cry, I'm going to beg, I've been on their side before, fuck it, let's do it.
00:37:29
Amelie
Yeah, which is a change.
00:37:30
Amelie
It was like, okay.
00:37:33
Jo
Yeah, exactly. Oh, fuck it. It's like, oh, you got me. Oh, well, game over.
00:37:38
Amelie
I like it. I like it because you always have death like, oh my God, I don't want to die or what's going on full of rage and stuff.
00:37:44
Amelie
And sometimes people are just like, oh well.
00:37:47
Amelie
You know what I mean?
00:37:48
Amelie
Like, you know how you die.
00:37:48
Jo
Like, oh, you got me. Good for you. Good for you.
00:37:52
Amelie
You know how you die.
00:37:53
Amelie
You're completely fucked up in your head. You're psychopath and kill people with a personal cold, la la la la. And you got catched by another psycho and you're like, oh, fuck, you're psychopath. You're going to kill me. Like, you're not the, you're the bearable butcher. No fucking way.
00:38:07
Amelie
Oh, well, bye-bye.
00:38:09
Amelie
You know what I mean?
00:38:10
Jo
Yeah, going out for one of the best.
00:38:10
Amelie
I like it. Mm-hmm.
00:38:12
Jo
And then Dexter goes back to his blood slides by accident, like a big shard of glass, like the size of this, but he he does get it a trophy, gets a trophy.
00:38:22
Jo
He gets his trophy. And at the same time, Angel returns to Harrison. He's like, hey, where's your dad, man? And all this ah stuff happens. To the point where Harrison's about to turn himself in,
Harrison's PTSD and Dexter's Return
00:38:32
Jo
goes to the cop station, and then some man stops him from doing it.
00:38:37
Jo
And of course, it's daddy.
00:38:37
Amelie
That was so fucked up.
00:38:40
Jo
It's daddy coming back from the dead.
00:38:40
Amelie
I would lose my mind. Dude, imagine I'm having a panic attack. I have the telephone. I'm ready to call the police to say I killed someone and da-da-dee-da-da-da.
00:38:55
Amelie
And there is a hand of my dad. I killed, I shot in the middle of the number.
00:39:01
Amelie
You know he's dead.
00:39:02
Amelie
yeah And he's just there.
00:39:03
Amelie
And you've got PTSD. I would be like, no, this is unreal. You're not there.
00:39:08
Jo
What the fuck did I put my drink, man?
00:39:10
Jo
What the fuck did I put my drink? Yeah.
00:39:14
Amelie
gosh. Like, when I saw that scene, I was like, no way.
00:39:15
Jo
They play it really well.
00:39:22
Jo
And that's the magic of this episode. It's got like 98 97 on right now. like the episode's rate is so fucking high. It's just about bulletproof.
00:39:34
Jo
But that's the magic of the episode. No matter how much we've seen Dexter have fun and fit in, we've seen Dexter as the awkward kid for so long, just to have him having actual friends.
Belonging in a Killer Community
00:39:47
Jo
I'm like, oh, fuck, he's got friends. And yeah, he's he's got karma. He's got is you know his newfound friends and straight friends, but he can't be the killer around them, right?
00:39:57
Jo
These guys understand him. They appreciate him for the killing part of it. And they want to know more about him. And so he he sees this dichotomy of himself, of I can finally be myself.
00:40:10
Jo
Same time, have to be dad as well. I want both. He wants, like you said, he wants to be a family. He wants both. And this is the first time he's actually grabbing both.
00:40:22
Jo
I can do both. It's he learned from his take from Trinity, sort of. You know, don't let him into your yeah life texture. But I can be both. I can be my killer self and I can be dad.
00:40:34
Jo
They don't have to be exclusive. They're the same fucking person. It works well for this. that It really binds it together. So there's a lot of like sloppiness with Angel, but that works in this.
00:40:46
Jo
And I agree. Every time Angel's on screen, I'm like, oh man, just go home, man. I want a happy ever after for you. Just fucking go home somewhere. Stay in Miami.
00:40:58
Jo
Go open a fucking taco shop. Go open a bar. I don't care. Go open a hat shop. All good. Stay the fuck home. Yeah. So what do you think of the, okay, you said this was not your favorite episode so far though.
00:41:17
Amelie
But it's an interesting episode, like for the direction they took and the presentation of your character and the fucked up scene when he placed his hand on Harrison and Harrison in the middle of the
Harrison's Troubled Adolescence
00:41:29
Amelie
street just looked at him and were like, oh that was the scene, like that was the scene, like I can imagine you in Prague at the worst moment just grabbed my shoulder and I would turn and see you and be like, what the
00:41:43
Amelie
fuck. You know what I mean? Like, I imagine that. I imagine that. I don't imagine my parents coming to Prague, but you out of nowhere when I'm with my phone at the wrong moment, yes.
00:41:52
Jo
Yeah, probably would. You're right. I think I catch you in Detroit before.
00:41:57
Jo
Because I didn't tell you my plane had a connection flight with your plane.
00:42:02
Amelie
Yes. yeah Yeah, but I kind of guessed because you're like, did you this and that?
00:42:05
Jo
You kind of... At least it's within a realm of... yeah Yeah, it's in a realm of ability.
00:42:08
Amelie
You know what I mean? Like, I was tired and you were like, so you're here, you're there. Yeah, yeah. And i had a feeling you were like, yeah, so there is such and such thing in the Detroit thing. Yeah, there is always coming.
00:42:19
Amelie
It's coming. You just came cute.
00:42:20
Jo
Okay. Detroit airport is like so small and kind of memorize it by now. The tunnel of light and shit like that.
00:42:26
Amelie
But you got me in London. You got me in London. I was looking straight to the exit of the metro, waiting for you for an hour. And you gave me a call and you came from behind.
00:42:38
Amelie
You got me in London.
00:42:39
Jo
Oh yeah, yeah. That's true. On King's Cross. See?
00:42:43
Jo
ah Every once a while. But that's it this so there's the same feeling. Oh my God, he's coming out nowhere. Yeah, and I think that really hits home for Harrison because Harrison is but suffering PTSD. He's like, what the actual fuck? He's seeing his dad. He's seeing, like, other guy he killed. All these people he's killed, he's seeing in nightmares.
00:43:00
Jo
And then his dad actually is still alive. But we know that. But Harrison is probably like, what? Beep. And this is the episode that got me hooked.
00:43:10
Jo
The first episode is like, whatever. It's okay. I'll watch it. Second episode, was probably grading papers or some shit. You're like, oh it's it's not bad. You know, whatever. They release like two or three at once. And then this is the episode I'm oh, can't wait till next week.
00:43:23
Amelie
No, I was hooked from the first episode.
00:43:27
Amelie
First episode, bam, I was hooked. Because where a character of speakera the etc., the synopsis, bim-badaboom.
00:43:35
Jo
oh for me, this is it.
00:43:35
Amelie
The third one, when he's in contact with Harrison, I was so sorry for Harrison.
00:43:40
Amelie
Because you need to take into account, his mother got killed by a serial killer. He lived in South Latin America. Then he went to foster family and traveled in America.
00:43:49
Amelie
goes to see his father, find out he's a serial killer and he's a bear above butcher. Share with him he's got this dark tendency. His father thinks he's a serial killer like him, so he teaches the code.
00:44:00
Amelie
They stop and murder a serial killer. Then he murder his father. He lives in New York. In New York, he has this accident where he killed accidentally. A bad guy.
00:44:11
Amelie
And he's on the street having a panic attack. And his dad came back from the dead. I'm like, dude, bro, the intensity.
00:44:17
Amelie
He's broken. He's broken.
00:44:20
Amelie
No repair. And he's not a psychopath. Because the difference between him and his dad, his dad, well, they kill people, but you don't hear about it. There is no ghost, no nothing.
00:44:30
Amelie
However, with Harrison, you see having panic attack, PTSD.
00:44:33
Jo
Regret. There's remorse.
00:44:35
Amelie
He's so full of remorse, not fine. He can't sleep at night. So he call a friend and he's drugs and party and everything. Like, come on.
00:44:43
Jo
Yeah. It's a telltale heart, you know. He can still hear ticking underneath his floorboards. ah as
Psychological Challenges of Youth
00:44:50
Amelie
I like the fact that Dexter come to help him because when you are aged between 18 and 25 years old, that's when you need guidance.
00:44:59
Amelie
not when you're you' a teenager, yeah, you you still have high school, your football coach, the nurse, um your grandma, your grandpa, everybody's alive, but when you're between 18 and 25 years old, that's the moment when you go to college, that's the moment where dreams go to the toilet, that's when you get the first heartbreak, failure, you get fired for the first time, your girlfriend dumped you, your friend commits suicide, you...
00:45:28
Amelie
Have a car accident with your car. That's the first time of everything. you know That's the moment where everything is intense, but everything is new. You need to find a job. You need to rent your first flat.
00:45:40
Amelie
You're not a cute baby. Everybody puts you pressure to get your driving license, to get a girlfriend, to get a situation, to save money. Are you saving money? You want to travel? Now you should, et cetera, et cetera. People are dying around you, family members and stuff.
00:45:53
Amelie
And that's a moment where you need guidance. And you see Harrison, who is a young adult, who must be 19 years old at that time, 19, 20 years old, and he needed his dad.
00:46:03
Amelie
He really needed his dad. And that's fucked up, but he's there for him. and That's beautiful.
00:46:08
Jo
Yeah. Now it's weird if you're saying that, cause I was mentioning all these things between 18 and 25. I was like, I had none of that. Is that really what happens in 18 and 25 for you guys?
00:46:20
Jo
Oh, we had driver's license way before that shit.
00:46:21
Amelie
Like I'm telling you now, e yeah ah Yeah, because you're an American.
00:46:27
Jo
Yeah. That's what I'm saying.
00:46:27
Amelie
in Europe eighteen it's 18. It's 18.
00:46:27
Jo
Maybe it's an American experience, but no, son.
00:46:30
Amelie
In France it's 18.
00:46:33
Amelie
And it's very, very expensive.
00:46:35
Amelie
It's very, very expensive to pass your driving license.
00:46:39
Jo
Communist country says what?
00:46:41
Amelie
ah Yeah, no, no, no. It's really expensive to have your driving license. ah
00:46:47
Jo
Yeah, maybe that's what it is.
00:46:48
Jo
Maybe it's just the way they do that because i was like, don't remember any of that. I don't remember how what i was doing. i was 18 to 25 either. It's kind of a blackout to me. So it must have been something.
00:46:56
Amelie
Look, the thing is being receptionist in a hostel, you listen to people's backstory, while they're traveling, while they're going to a hotel. Hi, my name is Jessica. I want to be a medical student.
00:47:10
Amelie
I am traveling with my best friend because our best friend Jennifer died from cancer. Or, well, I got dumped by my girlfriend. We've been together for five years and she went for college and she dumped me. So,
00:47:23
Amelie
I needed to travel the world to forget her about her, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:47:26
Amelie
blah blah Like, that's, and also so ah my bank agent.
00:47:31
Amelie
I was talking to my bank agent, and he's like, ah you know, ah when you save money for your children, I advise you to keep the money until they're 25 years old or even more, 30, because between 18 and 25, they do a lot of stupid things, and they can just ah break up or buy stuff, et cetera.
00:47:50
Amelie
And between 18 and, I consider, Being 18 and 25 years old, being like a sort of transition between adulthood and teenage life.
00:48:01
Amelie
You're an adult, but you're still little bit kiddy kiddy in the side.
00:48:08
Amelie
Maybe, maybe you were already an adult by the age of 16. don't know. I don't know. i don't know
00:48:13
Jo
I mean, i just might be the point where I don't remember it anymore. Maybe that's what it is. There's just been so much distance between me and when I was 18 or 25 that I don't fucking recall, but I don't recall any of that stuff.
00:48:25
Amelie
And it's horrible. It's horrible to be eighteen and between 18 and 25 years old. It's horrible, psychologically speaking, because you have a lot of doubts.
00:48:34
Amelie
You want to do things, but you're scared. You have a problem with self-esteem. You want to have your degree, but maybe you don't have um enough money. That's the first time when you look for jobs and people are like, I'm sorry, you're too young and you work at McDonald's or you work at Burger King.
00:48:48
Amelie
Or like ah I used to say, 18, 25 years old, nobody takes you seriously, but everyone wants to fuck you, right? So it's really weird. And when you want to, for example, create a company, people are like, ah, you're young, you know, na, na, na, na.
00:49:03
Amelie
So you want to be considered as an adult, but nobody considers you as an adult yet. You're a child, you're a kid. Hey, kiddo, hey, kiddo. I can give you money. Hey, kiddo. I can give you an internship. Hey, kiddo. You're the race. Hmm, I don't know. You know, you're just a student. Da, da, da, da, da. You know what I mean?
00:49:20
Amelie
It's shit. It's great, but it's shit. You're very beautiful, but damn, morally speaking, you're just ah in the toilet. And one day you turn 30 years old and you feel much better about yourself, but you're uglier.
00:49:32
Jo
I don't think people are ugly when they're 30. I don't know. i don't um I don't see that at least.
00:49:40
Amelie
Good. Good for you.
00:49:42
Jo
but Maybe just the way I look at the people. i just see to try to see the best in everyone. maybe i don't know maybe i'm Maybe I'm just extremely broken. I don't know. Maybe that's the way the world is and I don't live in that one.
00:49:55
Jo
I'd rather have the 30... How old are you again? 35? I'd rather have the 35-year-old version of you than the 85.
00:50:04
Jo
Wait, I mean the 18. Slipping. Slipping. eighteen
00:50:08
Amelie
I know, i know and you met me at 18 years old.
00:50:12
Jo
It's so weird to me. Just a bullshit random fact. But yeah. All right. For everyone who stayed through all that, apparently if you're aged between 18 and 25, I have the ah product for you. It's a reverse mortgage.
00:50:27
Jo
Basically, you can pay me to live in my cardboard box. Reverse style.
00:50:31
Jo
I'll move the cardboard box every five months. And that way you can have a new address. You two can keep it with you.
Conclusion and Upcoming Teasers
00:50:37
Jo
Now, if you're still with us, next up, I think we're doing Ro from Luke Sparky.
00:50:43
Jo
And we are going to do strange days or strange behavior or strange incidents. I can't remember. So sorry. Rocking our picture show.
00:50:52
Amelie
Strange, strange, strange, strange, something, something, something.
00:50:54
Jo
strange something and perhaps even a joe bob briggs but if not there's always gonna be more dixta maybe the next episode who knows tune in next time to find out by half myself and amelie we bid you good day bye y'alls