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Hot Takes: Avengers Civil War
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Time for some HOT TAKES! Tune in as we discuss the two sides to Avengers Civil War... Despite having not seen the film in years, who better to discuss the details of how it went down!
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Introductions and Avengers Debate
00:00:00
Speaker
Let me just, uh, all right. everyone Welcome everybody. My name is Scott Feltz. I'm here with Charlie Harcum and Sean Fretwell. Currently trying to figure out who was on what side of the Avengers argument.
00:00:22
Speaker
It is interesting to know that you, yeah, yeah, I think it carries over, but Yeah, you thought that it was Captain in America that was like, no, we need the government telling us what to do. The reason the reason I say that too is because he was from the air. I mean, he he is a government product. I mean, they made him. And so I was thinking all along.
00:00:52
Speaker
He likes him. Captain America was the one who was like, no, we need the government telling us, not telling us what to do, but we need a little bit of oversight. Which is funny. Cause no, he's. And he's exactly not. And now I'm like, I got a little beef with this. I don't think that's in his character.
00:01:12
Speaker
Well, I can see Tony switching up and be like, no, dude, I've been killing people accidentally and it's not cool. And we need some oversight. I'm starting to think this whole movie had no, no bound, no, no grounds for even being made as good as it is. Because you think nick I don't believe the story now. Can we just write? I think they were on the same side all along. Wait. All right. All right. Let's just time out for for our listeners and for Shawna as well, who has no idea what's really going on here. So there was this Civil War, Captain America, Tony Stark, and it's been spen years since I've
Civil War Recap and Responsibility
00:01:48
Speaker
seen it. So if i'm if I get a detail wrong.
00:01:51
Speaker
bear with me. um they they The Avengers, Tony Stark specifically, creates Ultron, inadvertently, but he creates Ultron, this villain who is, you know, AI and he's... is it It's like Iron Man on steroids, right?
00:02:09
Speaker
It's just a comp- yeah, essentially, maybe. Yeah, it's a computer. And he's just decided, you know, okay, I'm gonna do me. And so it goes crazy and they get in this big battle in Sokovia and ultimately destroy Sokovia. I mean, they just get- A lot of innocent people die. Just like, that's it. It's gone. They lift up the whole, like,
00:02:35
Speaker
A whole city pretty much. But they took care of Ultron too. They did. I mean, bob it was sort of like colliter collateral damage. Oh, my bad, Sokovia. A means to an end. Oh, so then they get into this whole like, you know, all right, wait a minute. We just destroyed an entire city.
00:02:58
Speaker
We maybe need to think about how we're doing this whole Avengers thing. So the government's like, you guys are weapons. We need to be able to regulate this. We need to control you. You don't get to just go decide, oh, I'm going to save the world. We decide when you get to save the world. We decide when you're necessary.
Need for Regulation or Independence?
00:03:18
Speaker
Otherwise, we handle it because your presence is creating more problems and There's that whole argument, you know, J. Jonah Jameson's been arguing for years. Well, but before Spider-Man was here, we didn't have octopuses crawling through the city. There were no supernatural lizards. That's pretty good, actually. That's pretty good. Wait, but now I have a question. Okay. well There weren't?
00:03:43
Speaker
All of these villains. That's what he says. I don't know. I wasn't in there. Give me pause to. I mean, I don't think I don't think I mean, the Avengers don't need to be who they are until. Necessary. Loki and all. OK. Something significant happened to make them need to be like, oh, we got to group up. We got to be a group instead of just. Oh, wow. Right. That counts. So.
00:04:12
Speaker
Ultimately, the government is like, hey, this is what we're proposing. We are going to regulate you guys. We'll let you know when we'll send you off. We'll call you, right? We'll say, hey, we need you. By the way, they don't know where Hulk is at this point.
00:04:24
Speaker
So that's a whole factor. We don't even know where he's at. um They never know where he is. They don't. okay Which is a problem. Like, okay, how do you control him? You don't even know where he's at. Captain America's on the side of like, no, you don't get to start telling us like, I am me. I'm a human. I'm not here for your regulation. If the world needs saving, I'm going to be there. It's my duty to save the world from villains.
00:04:51
Speaker
Tony Stark feels a little bit guilty because that was his whole past, right? You know, he had that whole scene where he's telling, you know, I don't know who it is. It's Viola Davis, actually. And he's, he's telling hallway. What? Oh, is that where Shema when she's like, my son died and. but No, I'm talking about when, you know, with, uh, who's Sam Elliott. And they're going over this whole, the actor, Sam Elliott.
00:05:20
Speaker
and they have this whole scene and they're like, he's like, you're trying to do what I did and you can't. I, no, I'm not. What's up? I'm Iron Man and you are not period done. And he goes on this whole, he's like, I think this is a problem. I know for my past we've caused pain. We need to be regulated. Like we need to just let them say, okay, this is when, because otherwise the blood's always on our hands when innocent people die.
00:05:49
Speaker
So for context, that's, that's where we're at. Now, I think Iron Man is ah justified in his stance. He makes a lot of sense and given
Captain America's Historical Influence
00:05:59
Speaker
his past, it, it checks out. Captain America, you have to remember he was frozen since what? What was it? World War I, World War II? What war?
00:06:10
Speaker
one of the uh good question one of the one of the big ones um it might be the ones where we fault the world the biggies we'll get our google guy on that um but he was frozen for years so when he wakes up it's like war two okay world war two he wakes up and it's like okay you gotta remember this guy's mind he was living in a different You know, it was a whole other world going on in his brain. That was 1942. Yeah. 40s. 1940s. So then he gets dropped into, you know, the 2000s and okay. So he's seen like a different world. So I think it's justified that he's like, no, no, no. What are you talking about? He had done his research on, you know,
00:07:06
Speaker
The Cold War before or after World War II? It was after. So, you know, this whole nuclear thing, that's a new idea that everybody's still exploring. Oh, wait a minute. We just nuked Japan? Like, that's a whole... He's realizing it in the moment, but he doesn't know this new world. Like, that's... The technology is insane. Maybe he does have an idea at this point. But he's taking notes on things he's got to catch up on.
00:07:34
Speaker
Yeah, by the time that movie came out, how long had he been? Frozen since World War II. Unfrozen. Oh. Unfrozen. These movies don't go like in chronological order. like they don't They bounce around a little bit, right? No, there's an order to him. he yeah yeah At this point, he had a ah better knowledge of what's going on. he's been my point though My point is, it's kind of like taking you know I don't want to get political, but you have old people, you have to like old guys, right? These old, old dudes living out in the middle of nowhere. They have these, you know, very extreme stances on politics. You're not going to change them. That's their whole world. That's all they've ever known. They grew up in that time period. That's their stance.
00:08:23
Speaker
It's like that's what they know. So Captain America, we're just gonna assume that he's just open-minded. Well, it did grow up in the 40s and this, you know, I mean, how many memes have people made where they're like, you know, when Captain America wakes up and he looks at the woman and he's like, fetch me a coffee. And like, no, no, no, that's like the doctor.
00:08:46
Speaker
No, no, I was talking to the woman, the woman like that was not seen. He grew up in the 40s. So it made sense that he would be a little bit confused. You know, there's female doctors. No, you can't say female. They're doctors. But the but the, you know, fetch me wolf. That's probably how I think that's some of your talk in there. That's your word fetch. What would he say? Wow.
00:09:13
Speaker
Ma'am, can you get me a coffee? He's not disrespectful. Okay, yeah fair. He's probably a nice guy. I think that's some of your stuff. Point being, you know, he he's, wherever his, you know, stance on government was in the forties, that's how he pictures it today. Well, and he's probably thinking too though, like my government fooled some triggers to do what was necessary to end this horrible war.
Iron Man vs Captain America
00:09:48
Speaker
So he trusts his government.
00:09:52
Speaker
He trusts his government. Well, but he doesn't know because he's like, no, no, no, I can hit I can do this. Right. that But you're saying it's wrong. OK, does it even make sense? Here's another curveball in the whole equation. The you know, the government sitting here like, no, no, no, we got this. Right. You guys will deploy you when it's necessary. Meanwhile,
00:10:18
Speaker
They were, they were ready. They, not only ready, they did drop a nuke on New York city, a missile. They were like, we're going to bomb New York city because that's just crazy. What's going on over there. So that's where it gets really slippery where I would agree with captain America that.
00:10:42
Speaker
Okay. He feels like he knows what's best right and wrong. as opposed to having to let a group of people who are not superhuman like he is. I don't know if it means he always knows what's right and wrong. That's very slippery. And that's what his point is. Well, who's to say they're going to make the right call when we do and don't need to be deployed?
00:11:09
Speaker
Which is funny because i don't you can make the same argument. Well, how does he know? Because he has superpowers? He wasn't born with them. I think he probably trusts himself more to do the right thing. Right. i Everybody does, though. I trust myself more than I trust the next guy. Right. It has to be political. This is totally big government versus small government.
00:11:32
Speaker
Yeah. Do you want your government doing more for you where you don't necessarily have to think about as much that's going on, but you don't have as maybe as much say about what you can and can't do. Or do you want the small government who just takes care of the main things, but I don't need you out here protecting me. I can take care of myself. I just am surprised that captain America landed on that side of things. it Really though, he doesn't strike you as that kind of guy.
00:12:02
Speaker
He's so all American. I mean, he wears the American flag. I know that's why I'm like. OK, he's not going to want the government to know what to do. I can see that. Yeah. Give me my guns, man. I got this. I think i thinking a little bit more from the perspective of he wants to just be this maverick out there running wild doing stuff. That's not his thing. He just doesn't he doesn't want the government telling what he OK. Hey, I see it now.
Avengers' Accountability and Oversight
00:12:32
Speaker
Hmm. I see it. I'm wondering what you thought though. I was thinking of during the movie out there running around being the crazy guy. I wasn't even, I didn't even realize now, now that I've watched the movie probably four times and I don't remember thinking. Wait a minute. Captain America. You were you on his side or not? You were in the movie. You had no idea. I was on the whole scene. Such a good movie, by the way. It is one of the best Marvel movies.
00:13:02
Speaker
But you didn't even know what was going on in it. It was just a great movie. I don't know if I realize because of the airport fight. Is that the one where his best friend, Bucky? Yeah, no, that's when I sold you. No, no, that is sova he's in it that. Yeah, that comes about. OK, OK. Yeah, different. But yeah, I just think like, OK, I.
00:13:27
Speaker
The government's a little bit shows up justified in the idea of going, okay, there's aliens attacking New York City. ah We need the biggest missile we got and just send it. But also after seeing the fact that, oh, we didn't have to do that. Maybe we can, maybe they can handle things a little bit better. We don't have to just nuke it.
00:13:53
Speaker
They got it. But I'm, I'm curious, like, okay. But even when the Avengers were down there fighting, they still decided we need to nuke it. Like we need to just wipe it out. So when you say, okay, we'll tell you guys when to go, like, we got it. What's what's your first choice going to be? Oh, aliens are attacking, you know, Florida. I don't know. Are they going to be like, we got two options here. We got a nuke. We got a nuke and we got the Avengers.
00:14:25
Speaker
the Opinions about a floor to the side I Just I mean I Don't know that's where you could say. All right. Well captain's on this something. I mean But also then he's just battling the government cuz they're gonna roll up and Be like no, no, no, don't worry. We got this and he's just gonna what Captain America himself he is a A soldier. So is he fighting with or against the government? Right. and Now I'm asking myself questions. I feel like the movie could answer. I just haven't seen it. in a well Yeah. We've heard that before though, haven't we? Everyone's for the people. Nobody's for the people. Yeah. I guess I thought Captain America was like the all American, like golden child follows the rules.
00:15:18
Speaker
ah He definitely does. clean cut That was literally in my mind. I was thinking he always wants to, hey, okay, this is what the rules says. So we've got to do it. yeah And he's totally jarred by him going against his government. Totally for the people. I'm throwing away my pajamas. i think I think that's the point though. He's so for the people that he's like, no, if they need saving, I'm going to save them. You're not going to tell me I can't. Which is a little bit, I think, ignorant on his part.
00:15:48
Speaker
a little bit OG America though, right? Like that's back to the, the root. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's a little ignorant for him to say, I'm just going to assume you can handle it and I'm just going to do it myself. yeah Like what were they him went back in his day. That's why they made him. They're like, well, we need this dude. We need a super soldier. Listen though. He's also the guy that jumped on a grenade that from his perspective he thought it was live. So.
00:16:19
Speaker
i mean was that when he was a skinny guy yeah yeah and they were like grenade and he jumps on it good well and it's like oh he's sweet but also but okay yeah he's willing to do what it takes so but he's a one and done though but it was a test i mean he's edgy well they were testing to see who would jump on it They were trying to see who, you know, Oh, grenade. What are your reactions? You need to run. They are testing to see which guy is going to jump on the grenade. I don't know if they were testing to see who would jump on it, but they were testing to see who had the reaction that they were looking for it. ah I don't think they were like, all right. Hey, hey, Bob tomorrow. So look, I got this fake grenade tomorrow. Here's what we're going to do.
00:17:09
Speaker
They're gonna be walking along, I'm gonna throw the other grenade. We want the person who jumps on it. I don't think that's how the conversation went. We need to test them to to find some moral, who's gonna do can i what it takes to save people.
00:17:26
Speaker
That was his standout moment, though, right? That's how he got. Oh, that's how they were like. He's like they think I don't remember it because it's been a while, but they had a little dialogue right before. And I'm pretty sure it was one guy hitting the other on the shoulder like, hey, watch this.
00:17:40
Speaker
Grenade! Was it like a nerd? Like a... Like a... Yeah, like a... Hey, check this out. This'll freak them out. they It's not a real. It's dud. But watch this. is that Like it was a funny bit in his mind. And then they were like... Oh, no. I think it was all part of the... No, they said it right before. I don't remember. But I'm pretty positive there was a... We know. But it was his defining moment. It was how they knew right then. Okay. He's the one. That's the guy.
00:18:09
Speaker
Yeah. Funny how this whole- Well, what's funny though is- Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Funny how this whole concept ah may or may not pop up in ah the boys. A lot of parallels between- Captain America and the whole concept of Uh, do we need some oversight of these?
00:18:40
Speaker
people who have extra powers yess or should they just be allowed to do their own thing? It's almost literally the exact same stuff. I don't know. I haven't seen it, but from what I know about it, that feels accurate. Oh yeah. It would be a very real, it's a natural story to get to like, okay, wait a minute. These people may be, they may be innocent people dying and it's making it on TV now. We we should probably have to get this under control.
00:19:09
Speaker
So, yeah. Well, for the record, I would just like to say I think Tony Stark is the real winner here because he wasn't made in the lab. He made himself. Yeah, I mean, you know, if that's not bad ass, Tony Stark is such a maverick while you could not hang out with that dude because he he he's a he's a bomb waiting to go off.
00:19:39
Speaker
I don't know. I cannot believe he was the one like, no, no, no, we need oversight. I know he, in that moment he felt guilty, but other than that, he's always the, he's character development. Never know what he's going to do. me But even later, I think after this movie, he does some stuff. You're like, whoa, dude, you can't just know. I mean, he wasn't blowing up cities, but I'm a Captain America guy all the way, except for this thing where he wanted his government to oversight. I'm not down with that. I like a little bit of government oversight, but not much. Well, it's it's the way you look at it. Do you want the government oversight or is it, and which he's like, no, we don't. I mean, I don't want to defund the police. Don't, don hey, no, no, no, no, no, no. Well, there's accountability.
00:20:30
Speaker
And there's oversight. What? Accountability is essential. Nobody gets. I'm down with accountability. Nobody gets to go unchecked. Yeah. I think we're missing the. But I don't need you telling me what I can and get there. OK, but. But there's some unhinged people in this world. Some people need to be told. It's a weird dilemma, though, because, OK, I mean, what were you going to do?
Government Intervention in Superhuman Affairs
00:20:59
Speaker
Well, what was your plan? Again, with the New York thing, you were gonna nuke it! You were gonna destroy New York City! Alright, phrase that as a- That was your plan! Phrase that as a, what would you do? Like, would you rather? Well, what would you do if you're the government and you're just sitting there like, okay, you have a Ultron, this robot attacking Sokovia. I don't know, I don't remember why they were in Sokovia, but because of the twins. Wanda and her brother. That's right. That's right. Yeah. ah Well, let's go back to the New York example, because that's an easier one. Okay, New York, ah aliens are attacking the city because this god came down from another planet and opened a portal. What's your plan? and okay I think you team up. I don't think you feel like you need to- No, no, no. You don't have the Avengers. Oh, oh.
00:21:58
Speaker
just the intrusion you nuke it yeah i mean it's I mean, Nuke, got you you use whatever force is necessary. I mean, yes. Understanding that. What force? Nuke. Nuke it. What else are you going to do? Go fight Nuke? Yeah, mean I mean, whatever. The the word Nuke has a lot of connotations. But I mean, yes, you you do what is necessary at that point because you're thinking the world might
00:22:29
Speaker
Well, I would say for context, it's New York or it's everywhere. Okay. But I think you just said it. What did you just say? The world might end though, if we don't, right? Okay. So when the Avengers are sitting there and fighting Ultron and collateral damage, we might've lost Sokovia, but we stopped him and he could have killed the whole world. So for you guys to come to us and be like, no, no, no, you need to pipe down. We need to control this.
00:22:57
Speaker
Um, excuse me, we stopped them. There was collateral damage. Yeah. Yeah. Stop them. They could have destroyed the world. Your plan was just a nuke, a whole city. You didn't have a plan. We stopped them. We, so same, same at that. I think it's a little bit of like, you know,
00:23:16
Speaker
I think it's very similar. I don't want to get political. That's right. If they had nuked it, they would have killed it. It's very similar to the argument of like, you know, what was on the news recently about the Starbucks CEO and how the government was ridiculing them. I don't remember the exact... Somebody was mad because the company made so much money. There was a video that was going around about, you know, oh, the Starbucks CEO. He's like, I came from nothing.
00:23:43
Speaker
You are a billionaire and you're not all these people that work for you and you're not sure and he's like But I did that I'm I'm a billionaire because I earned it. It's a very similar argument to be like, you know Well, I mean I stopped them. What are you gonna do? This is why it's classic cannot be not political because that is literally a Yeah, the overarching. Do you want people in your business or do you not? Right? It's a little bit of like jealousy. You know, well, you have superpower. Well, I need to control you. Right. I need it. It was ego based. And if it, I mean, maybe it's not that deep in the movie, but it feels ego based a little. Right. That's why I'm so surprised. It wasn't Tony.
00:24:30
Speaker
because it was Captain America. That's the old character. You're like, oh, Tony's the one that thinks, wow, character arc. that so Tony had already tripped over his ego and earlier he was learning. So he had evolved. He had three movies to do that already to do the work. ah Pepper fixed him. Oh, good point. He's like, I got to, I got to change my tune here a little bit, or she's going to bail on me.
00:25:01
Speaker
She fixed him. That's ridiculous. That he gave in into that. I would never have done that. I hate it when people have become better. worst Well, I mean, I just, since we're on the topic of Avengers, let's just ask a major question though.
Thanos: Right or Wrong?
00:25:17
Speaker
I mean, was Thanos not A little bit on to something. 100% he was. That's what makes him such a good character. He was an excellent villain. for and Because you're like, wait a minute. wait a minute he was He thought he was doing the right thing. Yeah, it wasn't cut and dry. Was he doing the right thing? From his perspective, 100% he was doing the right thing.
00:25:44
Speaker
I mean, what is the right thing, Scott? It's all about perspective. That's the question. What do you do? Let me determine what my perspective and what my right thing is. I don't need you to tell me what the right thing is. Okay, but when your decision on what the right or wrong thing is affects everybody. Yep. Who gets a say? Somebody's got to put them in check. The government.
00:26:09
Speaker
Hey, Captain America, we can't have you just deciding. Captain America, we can't have you deciding what's right and wrong. We need a few more people than just you from the 1940s going. I mean, I don't remember who was on which team now even, but I mean, Wanda was on his side.
00:26:29
Speaker
ah
00:26:32
Speaker
Vision. Vision. I don't remember who was on the sides now. i like ah Ant-Man, Spider-Man. If you got Ant-Man game over, shut it down. Ant-Man's on on our side, on Captain America's side. I'll be honest, I fell off of the Avengers movies like kind of a while ago, but this makes me want to go back and watch more. I did see what was it, Endgame was the one with Thanos.
00:27:01
Speaker
Yup. Two of them. Okay. I think I saw this infinity warning game. Yeah. That's where it was like, okay, this is a good stopping point. They made, they know such a cool bag. Oh yes. He was the perfect formulation. He had Riz. They know. Absolutely. He did. Absolutely. He was. And his monologues. Oh my gosh. I get chill bumps thinking about some of the things he would say. I've been into it expecting to just like, he's the bad guy. We don't like him, right? Below key. I really do like bad guys in movies, but He was a perfect formulation of like, wait a minute, how do I feel about this character? Because I don't
Avengers Teams Breakdown
00:27:38
Speaker
know. I just two thumbs up for me for Thanos. Just and he was inevitable. Oh, some of those lines that he delivers. Oh, and he's all like big and blue and like scary, but purple, but OK. Purple.
00:27:52
Speaker
Uh, Team Iron Man. Tony Stark, obviously. Uh, War Machine, which feels like he can't go anywhere else. He made you a superhero. Right. Was that Don Cheadle? Yeah. He's not a superhero, by the way. War Machine is not, okay? Well, then neither is Tony Stark. You're just an addition to Iron Man. No, I'm saying Iron Man made Iron Man, and then Iron Man made War Machine. Don Cheadle's character is not a superhero. He's just wearing the suit.
00:28:23
Speaker
he had heart Iron Man made it. Iron Man's like, no no, you couldn't do it. You tried. Okay. With all the technology in the world, you couldn't do it. I just gave it to him because he's my friend. Anyway, ah um Black Widow. Oh, that's right. I mean, she worked for Tony Stark. Captain America didn't have anybody good on his side. Black Panther came over. um and Vision.
00:28:47
Speaker
No, Black Panther was on that side too. Because Captain America's got Bucky. Sorry, go ahead. yeah Vision, Black Panther, Spider-Man. Spider-Man doesn't know anything. He's just nervous. Sorry, Cap. Nice to meet you. Hey, guys. That's why he's there. He's so dinky. Vision might be the one that can provide some insight. Also, Tony Stark made Vision, so.
00:29:13
Speaker
And Tony theme is loaded who's on Captain America's team. Okay, man So black panthers in maybe he has a reason to be on that team. I Don't know. He hates Bucky. That's the only reason he's over there. That's right. Okay, Captain America um Bucky the Winter Soldier the Falcon Riddick. Oh, I hate him. He's kind of like Don Cheadle's character where it's like a throw away. I mean, homie, I don't really care for the actor to be honest with you. Who's that? Is it Sam Wilson? Oh, I don't have a problem with him. I just his character and it's like, I don't want to be a fan of Don Cheadle. Not that it matters who we are fan and fan of, but I'm not a huge fan of Don Cheadle, but also his character like just doesn't then do it for you.
00:30:01
Speaker
Anyway, the Falcon, Hawkeye. Captain is struggling. He is struggling. lean on hawkey all way He gets better for him. It gets better. Aya man. You said that. And without him Scarlet Witch.
00:30:18
Speaker
OK, that's right. That's right. or That's his game changer. Right. I was going to say that's the one that's like, OK. Oh, she's cool. She's real cool. But I mean, between him, the Winter Soldier and Scarlet Witch, I think they can handle it. with Yes. Scarlet Witch could probably do it by herself. Yeah, I really don't like Hawkeye.
00:30:39
Speaker
Not a huge fan of him. I mean, he's cool, but he's got a great story with his family. Now that was, that was tough too. It's similar like headshot from DC. Okay. You're super high as you're really good at Eamon. He's a marksman. Have you shot a bow and arrow? It's not as easy as it looks. It's definitely not, but I don't know how he got to this level. I mean, so he can fly. So are we going to include Robin Hood? Is he not Robin Hood? Wow. yes So it is Robin Hood. Yeah. Yeah. Like, oh, he's an Avenger because OK. Put him in coach totally. I don't know. I think Vision and Scarlett, which are the game changers, um which is funny because they. But spoiler Robin Hood may have been the original Avenger.
00:31:29
Speaker
wow And they were like, what a call out there, Scott. I'm just saying. That's it. I mean, he was kind of like, is he doing the right thing? He's stealing from the rich. He's a little bit of a rebel. He needs a little bit of government oversight. Right. to The classic, you know. Oh, Robin Hood would never. Do you steal from bread to feed your family?
00:31:51
Speaker
steal from red steal some bread to fill your fan feed your fan. Peter to pay Paul. Not really. You know, that's a good saying. I'd steal the, I'd steal the Baker's backup bread. What if that was backup bread? I didn't know it was backup bread. Um, wow. Okay. You got me. Uh, you got to do what you got to do to survive. The government telling me what to do. I'm trying to survive out here. We're on the woods dying and playing orphans.
00:32:21
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We had no government oversight oh but out in the woods. We did not. Right. Did y'all build your own? You should have formed your own government. Absolutely a hierarchy though. It's like the Lord of the Flies. Eventually. There was a hierarchy. Absolutely. It starts to form. Was there a teacher? Somebody had to be the teacher. The teacher? Yeah. no and we There was no learning going on. You think the leader was? The oldest. Wow. I had a stick.
00:32:49
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So would you pretend like you were orphans, like on the run, like you busted out a thousand percent? Yes. We are all orphans or were you the mom and the rest were kids? Oh, no, we were all orphans. No, that's not how orphans work. There's no mom in orphans.
00:33:06
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Oh, God. No, we were we were in an orphanage and we had to break out. The person who ran the orphanage was obviously evil. Oh, so it's like any like any.
00:33:18
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Wow. You guys saw that movie and you're like, you know what? Let's go play. Yeah. It's a hard night life for us. Miss Hannigan. Yes. yeah Yeah. It was based off of. Yeah, there's a lot of. What about ah what was the other Matilda? What was she an orphan? Oh, that's too early of a reference for me. Two reasons. Tilda James and the Giant Peach. I thought she was a magic. She was magic. Matilda was a witch. Yeah.
00:33:48
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James and the Giant Peach? James and the Giant Peach, he had the evil ants that he had to try to get away from. The whole premise was to get as far away from the adults as possible and start your own solution.
Chicken Run: A Horror Film?
00:34:01
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Listen, if we're gonna get, I would just like to bring up, if we're talking about James and the Giant Peach, that reminds me of a really, really, really scary movie. Don't say Chicken Run. Chicken Run.
00:34:15
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You cannot tell me Chicken Run is not. we I don't know how we got from Avengers to Chicken Run, but listen, Chicken Run is scary. Mrs. Tweedy?
00:34:26
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I think you're on your own here. Are you kidding me? That was horrifying. She was not more scary. You was watching yes the the evil ants and changing the direction. Oh, she definitely was. The ladies were mean. Watching her, you know, crawling up the rope, climbing up the rope, connected to their plane with that knife in her mouth. Or would know that the chicken had the knife in his mouth because any. he It sounds horrible, Scott. You're right. But she had this look on her face like, oh, I'm going to make you into a car. I'm going to ring your neck, literally, because they're chickens. Because you're a chicken. Wait till I get the ax. I'm listening. So Chicken Run is like your poltergeist. Yes, that was, oh. I remember watching it for the first time and thinking. So Miss Tweedy climbing up the rope is like the skeleton guy who's half a body climbing across the.
00:35:17
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Crawling across the floor in the house for me. Yeah the anxiety Same thing. It's the anxiety that gets it warm. Oh The anxiety of like, you know, oh we turn the corner. Oh, she sees us. It's game over The first time you saw chicken. Oh gosh old enough to be terrified but young enough but young enough to be terrified Don't say so a few years ago. I was 19. Yeah i I don't know, but it was it was sure I've seen chicken. I'll check it out. it's the yeah one well It's the it's the same people that did Wallace and Gromit.
00:35:56
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Yeah. Yeah. Which is a little bit of like, you're scared of that one too. I'm not scared of it, but it has a little bit of clayation character yeah the Yeah. It's a little too real. I think the claymation definitely has a huge factor, but Mrs. Tweedy was just horrifying. I'm giggling this Tweedy right now. Do it. Please. And all the other chickens when they, whoa, that is not Miss Tweedy.
00:36:23
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immediately. OK. OK. Yeah, Miss Tweedy. OK, she's she's a supervillain. Yeah, she's. But they would see they saw her, you know, chop the ones head off. It looks like Carol Burnett from. Yeah, I was just about to. Oh, Miss Tweedy, Miss Hannigan. Yeah. OK, Scott. OK, you're on to something there.
00:36:49
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Uh, it was terrifying. If you go watch it and tell me it's not terrifying, there's nothing happy or jolly or bright about that, except for the very ending when they finally make it over the hill to the promised land.
00:37:02
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What an iconic Halloween costume that would be. It's Tweety. and super now Can I just say, I don't want to make this comparison, but I'm gonna. But I am. I'm gonna. It's bad, but the it's the imagery. Okay. When you watch Chicken Run and then maybe a year or two later, you watch Schindler's List.
00:37:28
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but Okay, the imagery is very, very similar. All right. I'm not saying that the chickens were in a concentration camp, but I'm saying that they were in concentration camp. They were in this huge fence and they were terrified and they just wanted to get out and that like, it's always dark. There's always this anxiety of like, who's watching when there's no grass. It's just dirt.
00:37:53
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I just that is not I did not see that comparison coming. ah I just think you're out on a limb there. I might be chicken run being by myself. tra No, but I can empathize with maybe you really went through something. It that really did. Yeah, it got you. It's the imagery of just the. Yeah. Got all chicken run was missing was Liam Neeson. Hmm. I love some Liam Neeson's. Yeah. Yeah, you can't go wrong there. Well, even with his.
00:38:24
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Yeah, we won't get into it. Oh, um all right.
Podcast Wrap-up
00:38:29
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Well, we're going to wrap that up. and We talked about the adventure and thank you for tuning in. um This has been we still don't have a name for the same. We should probably work on that. We'll see. We'll see. Thank you for tuning in. Play the outro. How about ah about.