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There's a Body: Stranger Things S1E4
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Hopper gets suspicious and starts digging—literally. Joyce refuses to believe Will is gone, and honestly, she might be onto something. Meanwhile, the kids use Eleven’s powers for some good old-fashioned spy work, and Nancy starts realizing Steve might not be the best problem-solver.
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Transcript
Episode Introduction
00:00:13
Speaker
Welcome everyone to Episodes Unscripted. I am Scott Feltz, joined by Shauna Fratwell. Hello, hello. And Charlie Harcum. All right.
00:00:24
Speaker
This is episode four of Stranger Things, and we're going to dive right into it. All right. Recap. Stranger Things, episode four, season one.
Recap of Episode Four
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Will's body is found. body quote unquote we pick up where we left off in the last one where will's body was discovered in the quarry joyce is still convinced that will is alive refused to believe it's him she tells hopper that will has been communicating with her through the lights i just love the way they do lights all right anyway not yet Hopper investigates the body.
Hopper's Discovery
00:01:05
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So eventually he becomes suspicious. He sneaks into the morgue. Before he sneaks into the morgue, he goes to the bar. my favorite scene of this episode. With that guy and does a little, yeah, and then beats him up and um gets information out of him.
00:01:22
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And then goes to the morgue and discovers that the body is fake. It's stuffed with cotton. And that was such a bold... Yep. I'm just going to jab a knife in the thing and hope that I'm right.
00:01:33
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He's the best, y'all. Realizing something strange is happening, he decides to dig deeper, obviously, down a fake
Eleven Proves Will is Alive
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body. Eleven helps find Will. they Mike, Dustin, and Lucas continue trying to find Will, and Eleven uses her powers, tunes radio,
00:01:50
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tunes of radio And transmits Will's voice, proving he's still alive, which I thought it was interesting because he's talking to his mom and responding, and they're not picking up on it. And I'm like, wait a minute. let's We're not the only one talking to him right now.
00:02:08
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What is this from? Is this now? Are we Yeah. um Let's see. Jonathan...
00:02:21
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Gets into an argument with Steve at school. ah Did I miss that bit? but Yeah, i don't remember that either. i remember Jonathan and Nancy finally have a conversation. And Nancy and Jonathan. um
00:02:41
Speaker
We'll move past it for the moment.
Joyce's Belief Confirmed
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Joy sees Will through the wall.
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Speaker
Literally sees him. Yeah. and We'll get to that. Confirms her belief that he's still alive and trapped somewhere beyond her world. Dun, dun, dun.
Hopper's Break-In
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Hopper uncovers the lab's secrets. He breaks into the lab.
00:03:08
Speaker
Does he? Yeah. He punched a dude in the face. pretended he left something. That was going into the morgue though. Oh, yeah. At the very end, he cuts the chain. He cuts the fence.
00:03:19
Speaker
And then ah that was the last. But that's it. The last shot is him cutting the chain. Okay. Yeah. All right. Check. GPT. You have a little work to do, but that's okay. You did good.
00:03:31
Speaker
Let me pull up my notes.
Frustrations with Eleven's Communication
00:03:34
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i I want to start by just reiterating that I'm sick and tired of Eleven's lack of communication skills and information. How do we know what she knows she doesn't? It's got to get better. She understands the concept of pretty, but it's just... I can't...
00:03:54
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And they're taught, he's like, is that Will? Is that? And she's just got this, you know, blank face like, Mike, Will. Right. Tell me something. What do you?
00:04:08
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Kind of like Shauna's face right now. No thoughts. just She's being hell.
Mike's Mom's Attempt to Cheer Him Up
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I liked Mike's mom. Of course you do Good grief.
00:04:20
Speaker
Jeez Louise. I was going to follow that up with something. I like that she's trying to convince Mike, you know... hey, you know, it's cool. We're having a good time.
00:04:32
Speaker
ah You know, we can get something from Blockbuster, whatever. I don't think she's a Blockbuster. She's like, R-rated. She's like, it can even be R-rated. And i I thought there, I thought, okay, if you guys had a kid that age, would that like would you go for that to cheer them up? Like, hey, if you want to get an R-rated movie. I feel like R-rated movies used to be a way bigger Yeah, it was.
00:04:55
Speaker
It was like, what? So it might get you excited. If you were the kid, but if you're the parent, would you would you be like, oh, you're an R-rated movie? No, it's weird. I wasn't okay with that. If you can't watch R-rated movies, there's a reason for that.
Hosts' Childhood Memories
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So in this moment, it's probably not going to change.
00:05:13
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But I totally understand what she was trying to do, right? like She was trying to bring him back to life a little. Your kids would eat it up. They would love it. Did y'all notice though, before she even said that, she's like, hey, you want to grab a book and come with me?
00:05:29
Speaker
That's literally what she said. You want to grab a book and come with me? like We couldn't grab the iPad at that point. I just don't remember ever, oh we're going to ride to town. Let me grab a book.
00:05:47
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it It was just an odd thing. I think it almost felt like, a hey, we're going to make sure you know we're still in 1986. Right. We're in the 80s. No, I used to do that.
00:05:58
Speaker
Yeah. Like you'd grab a book or even like a coloring book. But would you was that like a normal dialogue? You want to grab a book? want to grab book? I don't know. When you say it like that.
00:06:08
Speaker
No, I always, i just, but I did always grab a book. I don't know that anybody asked me if I wanted to, but I would just bring one along because usually running errands with your mom, it's not that exciting. i do remember one time riding somewhere with daddy and I had gotten into this Agatha Christie book reading stuff.
00:06:26
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Daddy. Oh my gosh. And hardcore i went and grabbed, got the book. And as we were driving, I was reading it or something and I think he even looked at me and said, what are you doing?
00:06:43
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I was like, are you reading his book? ah So, maybe maybe maybe he never told me, hey, go grab a book. We're riding to town. But I guess I did anyway.
00:06:55
Speaker
He looked at you like, did you just grab a book? What are you doing? Are you my child? Okay. No, that's cool. and Hey, remind me of this. When did Will like poke through the wall?
00:07:06
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Not not hit her seeing him, but that was at the end of the last episode, right? Yeah. When he like, or something. wasn't him though. It was the Dimogorian. Yeah, it was the end of the last episode and she ran out of her
Comparisons to Nightmare on Elm Street
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house. Scott, i don't know if you've seen like, I think it's the original Nightmare on Elm Street. You know, there's a real famous scene where Freddy is over the bed pushing through the wall just like that.
00:07:31
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Oh, I thought it was when they were inside of him. That too. That happens too. But he... Okay. They're showing over the person's bed and of course they're asleep and he's pushing through the wall. It looks just like that.
00:07:44
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And I wrote down that's a little bit of a Nightmare on Elm Street nod. Even though... Okay. Well, I'll bring that up later.
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ah Okay. Was Nightmare on Elm Street the 70s? No, ah that't that's where I was actually going. It came out in 84. Okay. And we're in 86. What year are we in? Do we remember?
00:08:06
Speaker
86. Okay. Or vice versa. No, that's right. The first first one came out in 84. Yep. yep
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ah Why can't we... ye oh Why can't we turn the walkie-talkie off? When Mike is trying to get hold of Lucas. Right. I'll keep saying it. Lucas, Lucas. You totally can. And I'm like, okay, he can just turn it off. It's not like it's... Or change the channel and you're you're done.
00:08:34
Speaker
Right. And we're good. Can't hear anymore. I... A side note to that is I don't know why Mike, when they dress up Eleven, he's putting makeup on her.
00:08:47
Speaker
Like he knows what he's doing. Like he's got a brush and everything and he's applying. Yeah, that is interesting. He's got an older sister, so maybe he has some idea. What is that? He's he's putting foundation on?
00:09:00
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Blush. i don't think he's putting foundation on her. I don't know. That's my point. I don't even know what is. Foundation? Are you dumb? ge like what What does he know about putting on makeup? That's a good point.
00:09:12
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And then, you know, she walks out he's like, pretty. Good. Pretty good. Not pretty. Yeah, wouldn't I'm and saying' pretty. And she understood it.
00:09:24
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Pretty. course she did. yeah that's She's just being L. knowing But then when they're like, is Will alive? Hmm. Hmm. Wish somebody would tell you, huh?
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I'll just
Criticism of Acting Techniques
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ominously point you to a radio and not give you any information. Okay, I'm going to... Actually, I was thinking about this, though. Okay, to her credit... I agree with what y'all are saying, but perhaps she doesn't have the verbiage to fully explain her experience in what she can do and how she can do it because she doesn't fully understand it herself. And how do you explain to people that you've been essentially a lab rat for however long?
00:10:01
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mean, there's a little bit of nuance there for her. My problem is more like the fact that she doesn't talk. She won't even make a noise or say a word when they talk to her. When they're like, is that Will? Is he alive? And she just sits there like, hell if ino I know. I don't know. talking I don't totally disagree with you.
00:10:18
Speaker
I think they're trying to communicate too that she's traumatized. That like her experience in there yeah traumatizing. She's nonverbal. She lacks communication skills because she hasn't been in the in the world.
00:10:31
Speaker
I think it's just their attempt to like really make you understand that. It's just those it's those moments. It's so good when when they look at her and they're like, the power line? Power lines? Like a dog, like, huh?
00:10:44
Speaker
What is that? It's traumatizing me. good talking I don't like fake tears in and I hate it unless somebody else can sit here right now and prove it.
00:11:00
Speaker
Tears don't fall from the center of your eye. They fall from the corners. and i and Well, unless your eyes are so full of tears that they're coming from multiple. Right, it comes later. The first drop doesn't come from the middle.
00:11:15
Speaker
So you know when it's eye drops. Of course. And it happened with Jonathan, and it comes from the you know straight from the middle of his eye. And I'm like, I mean, he doesn't have to like you know sit there and force tears. I just don't understand why, you know.
00:11:31
Speaker
Why do we have to do that? Like, oh, let's. right Well, otherwise they would. He can show. Yeah. Why don't they make it come from the corner? Well, don't think it's them. I mean, they're putting eye drops in. And so at that point, he has so much water in his eye that it's going to fall straight down.
00:11:49
Speaker
Rather than slowly accumulating. They should just cry on a command like me. Well, my my argument, though, is does he didn't have to. like i get it. It's an emotional scene, but I think you know he can portray that without a fake tear shedding on his face. I don't know.
00:12:08
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I just don't like it because every time see think- It takes you out of the scene. bugs me because the way it falls it's not satisfying never because there's there's now there's an itch on the inside of my eye that i'm like nope that's where it's supposed to be good it yeah i don't know it just yeah definitely takes me out of it and just uh but but i'm sorry i'm changing subjects Yeah, that's fine. oh I just felt so...
Joyce's Struggle for Belief
00:12:39
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Can you imagine the frustration?
00:12:41
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i mean, Joyce is going through it, especially in the beginning. Yeah. And, you know, she's trying to explain everything. And, yeah, I mean, more than likely everything she's saying is right.
00:12:55
Speaker
But nobody else has experienced what she has. So I'm just imagining the frustration that she's feeling trying to explain this to everybody. that's a that's a That'll wear you out mentally and just, oh my gosh, nobody believes me what I'm saying.
00:13:12
Speaker
What did she say? She said, ah she's like, she kept reiterating, I know I sound crazy. Yes. Which is validating now to hear because I'm thinking you weren't even acting like you sounded crazy before.
00:13:25
Speaker
But to say you sat you know you sound crazy, that's good. But to tell Hopper, you... like you I know this is crazy. You have got to believe me.
00:13:37
Speaker
It would give you trust issues, actually. Right. Because you're like, i got I got nobody that's even willing to entertain this for a second or dig a little deeper with me here. They're all just like, nope.
00:13:49
Speaker
Which is brutal because it I think she knows... Like, yeah, no, I get it. I know why you guys don't believe me, but you've got to. You just have to anyway. Yeah, it would play into that insecurity. She's already struggling single mom who has lot on her plate and, you know, she's already kind of a hot mess.
00:14:04
Speaker
So she's like, I understand, you know. Well, not even that. It's the fact that she recognizes, I know this is crazy. I know what I'm saying is is bonkers. ah You have to believe it anyway, though. You've got to trust it. Well, she acknowledges throughout. like I feel like she says it at several different points. Like, guys, I know this is crazy. yeah I know this is wild. i I wouldn't believe this either, but please.
00:14:26
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. The fact that she even recognizes and it's like they're still... then Eventually, I'd be like, you know what? Forget all of you. Okay, but but to that same point, though, in this very episode, both of the guys...
00:14:39
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Have that moment of realization and switch. They haven't addressed her about it yet. But Jonathan's actually wrote down because I thought it was awesome. hit The moment he realizes when he's with Nancy and she's describing this thing she saw and you can see in his face like, oh my God. Without a face or whatever. I love it. It's so spooky. I love it.
00:15:04
Speaker
But that realization in him is like, oh, crap, my mom is not crazy. And then similarly with Hopper, when he's interrogating the guy, even just the thought, though, to go, okay, you know what? I'm going to...
00:15:18
Speaker
I'm to call this into question a little bit because it is weird that he didn't do the autopsy. Joyce is saying all this. I'll exercise it in the slightest and I'll go, you know, question this guy.
00:15:30
Speaker
And then he starts to, it's two very different ways to get there, but at some point they both get to the point of, okay, she's, She is crazy, but not for this reason.
Body Identification Issues
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I was getting so mad. Emotional. No, not emotional this time. Just mad.
00:15:51
Speaker
it a Of course, I'm thinking, okay, everybody has jumped to this conclusion that it was Will.
00:16:00
Speaker
Even at the end of the last episode, episode the body was Will. Yeah, okay. And I'm thinking...
00:16:09
Speaker
okay, it can't be Will, because, I mean, he's going to be integral with this season. Like, no, it's not Will. And it wasn't a until I realized, oh, something nefarious is going on here.
00:16:23
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i was thinking, wait minute, we're having a funeral And nobody's even looked to see, oh, wait a minute, this isn't Will. This is ah Barbara, whoever it might be. but they And then come to see, oh, no, something even more deeper and sinister is going on here.
00:16:41
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Fake body or whatever. I was so mad. I'm like, why are why are they pretending a funeral? are we having a funeral? It's not Will. Just look at him. But the thing is, I i don't think, but it it looked like him. That was the point. Yeah, he was made to look.
00:16:55
Speaker
Well, I don't think I realized that until Hopper even did the his own little autopsy. Like before that, did we ever see it, the body, and think, oh, that's Will?
00:17:10
Speaker
Or maybe that's Will. No, I think we just accepted the fact that. Yeah, I didn't. And I'm like, why are y'all pretending like it's Will? You haven't even looked at the body. But maybe they have. He says that at the beginning the episode when he's like, when she's saying, no, he's still alive. And he's like, get some sleep night. Tomorrow want you go down to the morgue and see your because that's him. You get the impression that other people have seen him and can confirm.
00:17:34
Speaker
Right. I think it's implied. Yeah. Okay. It's got to like him then. just wasn't. in Because. I wasn't picking up on the implication. And so i'm like, why are we having a funeral? It's not Will.
00:17:45
Speaker
Like, it's it's a different body. Then her... But then wasn't. Like, even seeing it, the body in the morgue. Yep. And, of course, Jonathan goes running off for eye drops.
Jonathan and Hopper's Bond
00:18:00
Speaker
He felt silly. And she's, like, just stone-faced with her arms crossed, like, okay, his right arm... birthmark. There's a birthmark. Can you check that?
00:18:11
Speaker
Like, no, no, no. This is ah a formality here. I need to... I it. need to get this. ah Yeah, she was that convinced. that Take no prisoners. oh Can I squeeze in my almost cried section of this episode? Yeah, please.
00:18:27
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This was really good. i don't remember if it was it was maybe ah Joyce was still looking at the body. Jonathan had come out.
00:18:40
Speaker
I don't know if Hopper was there. But anyway, at some point, Hopper and Jonathan were saba side by side. And they were just sitting the two of them and Hopper's kind of talking to Jonathan. I thought, oh, it really would make me cry.
00:18:54
Speaker
Because Jonathan, you know, does not have that father figure necessarily. And Hopper, he wasn't really being the father figure, but it it had a little bit of a hint to that.
00:19:06
Speaker
yeah And you could just see Jonathan being like, oh, this is somebody maybe I can... look up to or i see there was something cool going on there and I was thinking oh poor Jonathan like he's going through it too and he's got nobody because his mom is she can't be there and she can't be strong for him right now and the kids at school bully him because he's taking pictures I wrote down again I'm pretty sure you would bully Jonathan I don't even know why i wrote it down this time listen listen but i did
00:19:43
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i Jonathan would be fine with me. I would have no issue with him.
Moral Implications of Jonathan's Actions
00:19:48
Speaker
But if I saw those pictures that he took from the woods, there was no explanation he would be able to give that would make it make sense.
00:19:56
Speaker
We got a little bit more. Why do you have a picture of Nancy taking off her shirt? Through the window. What are you doing? There's no explanation for that, that you're going to sell me on that makes him not a creep. trying to remember what they said in the dark room when they were you know doing those pictures. Because she even brought it up to him then.
00:20:17
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And she almost smiled about it, which was like, wait a minute. Don't act like it was okay. You like this. Yeah. What? I almost thought for a second there, she's going to be like, oh. Yeah.
00:20:30
Speaker
I can understand her feeling sorry for him. Like when they're bullying him and she's not, and she's kind of like, ah, and then she helped him pick up the pictures afterwards, whatever. I can appreciate the fact that she feels bad for him because again, i don't know that smashing his camera is the solution, right?
00:20:49
Speaker
I'm not going to go tell his parents. You snitch. Hey, so by the way, Your son's missing. um So I can appreciate that. But also, yeah, what are you taking pictures for, creep?
00:21:05
Speaker
No. And then think about the fact that that he took one that they found out had like evidence in it. Like, oh, that's it. Right. Now he's got to go take it to the police and be like,
00:21:21
Speaker
Hey, so don't ask why. But I got some good pictures you might want to see. But this is important. What were you doing? Where were you at? It doesn't. Don't. We don't need to get back into that. Just trust.
00:21:33
Speaker
and Because then he would see him in cahoots to the police. That's right. Because why is he there? They have no reason to understand. the man with that face. You know.
Legality of Photography
00:21:44
Speaker
Right.
00:21:44
Speaker
Or why are you taking pictures of it? Like there's. that illegal back in the eighty s Maybe. Maybe not. Taking pictures from the woods through someone's house? Is that not... Invasion of privacy? If I take a picture of you through your window... But I'm standing on my property. I mean, what?
00:22:05
Speaker
Well, you're not. You're standing in the woods.
00:22:09
Speaker
I'm taking a picture from the woods of you through your window. Is that... What is that? That's not illegal? That's... It's a good question.
00:22:21
Speaker
it's not It's stalking. I guess, i yeah, I think when you're in your private residence, but like when you're out in public, you have no expectation. Sure, but they were not in public.
00:22:32
Speaker
So you you still hate Jonathan. Okay, we got it. I don't hate him. I don't hate him. I just think that was creepy and at no point did he try and justify it. He just kind of knew it was creepy and pretended like he didn't do it.
00:22:46
Speaker
Not even. He's in the dark room. don't think he ever denied it. didn't. he even almost had a little bit of an explanation in the dark room. thought it was... He's kind of smug about it. He's like, I know I shouldn't have... I can't remember what he said now.
00:23:00
Speaker
But he had a... It didn't make it okay. But he had an explanation.
Dramatic School Entrance Critique
00:23:06
Speaker
um Why did they bust into the school so loud? The auditorium. Yeah.
00:23:11
Speaker
Yes. That was ridiculous. What is that? well You can't open a door? That was just for... dramatic effect oh yeah that's for sure yeah what are you doing also and then real quick they did the classic we got this weirdo girl here but we're gonna dress her up and put a away make her look pretty oh look she's actually pretty You know, all those cliche movies that came out where. the She puts a wig on and a little bit of makeup and it's like, what?
00:23:42
Speaker
One of them, they literally just like take the girl's glasses off of her and take her hair down. And they're like, oh my gosh. What? she's She's gorgeous. She can't see anything, but she's gorgeous. but ah What's the Rachel Lee Cook movie? yeah From back in With Freddie Prinze? She's all that.
00:23:59
Speaker
Isn't that the one? Yes, that movie was the epitome of that. She comes down the steps and you're like, yeah all they did was take her glasses off and put her hair down. And took her out of her overalls.
00:24:11
Speaker
Game changer.
00:24:14
Speaker
No, Mike put makeup on her too. Yeah, true that. He was doing her makeup. so you know I don't like that the bully... and I'm not going to get into whole bullying. It's just like the Levin argument. It's redundant at this point.
00:24:25
Speaker
We get even talk it. finally got the... The good bully scene where they got theirs. That was the worst. We did. But I have problems with that, too. Because we're... Okay.
00:24:38
Speaker
The you know session, whatever. The assembly's over. And all these kids are leaving. Apparently, all the adults left the room first. They're like, guys, get out. Get out. Get out.
00:24:51
Speaker
Because there's this whole scene playing down. In the middle, and all the other kids hear it because they stop and look like, ooh they're about to fight. Is there not an adult anywhere? Did they all scatter immediately?
00:25:03
Speaker
And leave all these kids? Is there not like that one teacher that's supposed to make sure the last kid doesn't run off? Like you stay, follow the... was the 80s.
00:25:13
Speaker
There's no protocol. That's right. Every man himself. I'm going to my class. got stuff to Every man for himself. That's... Okay. That was just like, we're built wow. I mean, that was convenient that they all just left.
00:25:26
Speaker
And then somebody at some point realized, you know, all the adults are still walking down the hall and they turn around and there's no kids. And they're like, oh, we should wait minute. And they walk in. What are y'all doing in here? Like, how long did it take you to realize? Okay.
00:25:42
Speaker
Embarrassing.
00:25:46
Speaker
um This is just me. And yes, sometimes I struggle to keep up in some of
Conspiracy Theories on Fake Body
00:25:54
Speaker
the episodes. I don't know what that's about. Yeah.
00:25:57
Speaker
I think I'm just... ah look I guess we'll figure it out maybe, or maybe we already know and y'all can tell me. I think I'm just in general confused as to why Whoever made the body look like Will, yeah why did they make the body look like Will?
00:26:24
Speaker
You know what saying? You mean like how? No, why? who Because, well, the the implication here, right, is that, oh, these guys in this lab, you know, we found out they're fishy.
00:26:39
Speaker
They did a lot of work, you know, a bunch of kids missing. They got something going in that lab, and then Hop realized, oh, they're kind of taking over the... Okay, they're doing something. They're planting this body here so that we don't find something or we don't know something. So that we just think, okay, case closed, move on. implication is that lab is up no good, and...
00:27:02
Speaker
lab is that is up to no good and So they thought but they were lincoln this will put an end to We'll make it look like Jim a body. Don't let him do an autopsy. Okay. All Don't look behind the curtain. I guess that helps.
00:27:20
Speaker
Okay. Just get everybody to accept that. Okay, that's him. But we still don't know where Barbara... I mean, we know, but like her body's not... Yeah, we're not concerned about Barbara. We have to find Will. Well, I was going to say, but poor Nancy. Let's give her some credit because she worked really, really hard to try to keep that conversation.
00:27:39
Speaker
Oh, I know what mean to know about for this episode. is such a butthead.
Nancy's Timeline and Relationships
00:27:44
Speaker
Steve sucks. I did not appreciate at all the two male police officers that were interrogating her- And they're asking her questions about the timeline. Y'all what I'm about to say.
00:27:59
Speaker
That timeline. And then they start to like badger her and really give her a hard time about the whole Steve thing.
00:28:10
Speaker
um Talking about, oh, you just went upstairs. You just went upstairs and changed your clothes. Yep. And I was like, if I was Mrs. Wheeler, have thrown a chair.
00:28:22
Speaker
what are you doing right now? She's, what, 15, 16 years old? And they're making fun of her and, like, shaming her. Maybe that was, i i sort of was like, okay, that's, again, the time frame, right? Where people were.
00:28:34
Speaker
But I'm like, there should have never been a male officer asking her those questions anyway. know if they were making fun of her. No, they were completely inappropriate. think they were just. Well, no, I think they they just knew that she was lying. Right. But to address it in that manner, like it was so unprofessional and they got almost kind of like, oh, that's it. That's all you did.
00:28:54
Speaker
Really? i just didn't like it. If I were a parent, I would have been like, nope, this conversation's over. Like, see ya. i thought it was interesting mrs wheeler sitting there having a i it's interesting i guess she has to be there her daughter's underage like part of the you know yeah and dad sit by themselves why' like legally she had to be there but i thought it was interesting she's having to sit there and keep her composure and And like hearing all these things like, oh, my God. Yeah, yeah these police officers are. i want to kill you. You right slept with a boy and didn't tell me. okay
00:29:36
Speaker
And like the good conservative woman she is, she goes home. And the first thing she says is, you lied to the police. What are you doing? They're the police.
00:29:48
Speaker
you know You can't lie to them. Everything about that rubbed me the wrong way. And then she's like, what did she's like ah i yeah, we slept together. That's what you want to hear?
00:30:00
Speaker
Like, whoa, whoa. All right, it's out there now. Like, at some point, you could have kept denying it, but here go. But I felt her frustration in that because it felt like the police officers, even her mom, everybody was so hung up on that part.
00:30:13
Speaker
And she's like, I get it. But also, my friend is missing. Can we please stop talking about- There's probably a way for them to, yeah. You know what I mean? Like, they the focus off the missing girl and were like, but did you? but Well, I think their point- It's like, okay, everybody.
00:30:30
Speaker
I think their point was like, you know, okay, we we know you're lying. So, you know, you're talking about we we were just hanging out upstairs. Like there was nothing going on. He's like, is this before or after you change clothes?
00:30:44
Speaker
I think the idea is that they probably could have just, you know. pocketed that. The answer to that question wasn't going to help them. So we both know she was lying, right? Right. And that she's not lying about everything just because she didn't want to talk about that piece.
00:30:58
Speaker
That doesn't like, well, I think from their perspective, they're thinking like, okay, you're lying. We don't know what's going on here. Like you, we don't know what else you could be. You're obviously not telling the full truth because it's you're either scared you're going get in trouble. And that's what I mean is that it's not that she's fabricating the whole thing just because she doesn't want to get busted for sleeping with her boyfriend.
00:31:19
Speaker
Like she's omitting that part because she doesn't want to get in trouble. But that doesn't mean that like everything else she's saying.
Police Questioning Strategies
00:31:26
Speaker
Yeah, but they don't. That's what I'm saying. They don't know that. they don't they don't know her. so they just They don't, which is fair. but They know, like okay, she's lying about this. We don't know what else she could be lying about to avoid getting in trouble.
00:31:37
Speaker
as an ah As an adult, you know she doesn't want to get in trouble for that piece. so It would cross my mind. like okay everything Everything else might hold water, but no, she's not going to want to openly admit that she went upstairs and had sex with her boyfriend because when you're a teenager, you just don't want to have to say that.
00:31:53
Speaker
Which is true. i think, too, though, there's the other perspective of if you lied about that, Maybe you did something Barb and you don't want get trouble about it. Or maybe you know where she's at, but you know she'll get in trouble and you don't want to tell us. so Except for the fact that she was the one that really seemed like she was driving the conversation. She wanted people to keep talking about that. I think that might be the point where you'd back off.
00:32:16
Speaker
Because if she wasn't, then it'd be like, okay, I'm going let you know we know you're lying. So maybe you tell the truth. She not avoiding the conversation. She was actively looking for talking to people. She was...
00:32:27
Speaker
adamantly looking for her friend and the conversation just kept veering back to whether or not she slept with Steve. So I totally understand why by the time she got mad at her mom, she was just over it because it wasn't the point, but that seemed to be where everybody kept coming back to.
00:32:42
Speaker
Meanwhile, Steve mentioned a great, he had a great point then when they got into an argument earlier and she's like, barb's go he's like, oh crap.
Steve's Teenage Concerns
00:32:53
Speaker
We're going to get so much trouble.
00:32:55
Speaker
Just don't talk about the beer. Don't tell my dad. Okay. She's like, Barb's gone. Yeah, but just my dad. He's the worst. Just don't. Because let's not pretend like Steve cares about Barb for us. So, all that to say, i think Steve, he was on to something there. Because he knew when those police interrogate you, they're not goingnna they don't care about Barb.
00:33:17
Speaker
They're going to be worried about the beer. Don't tell them we had beer. Keep it on the deal. I feel like that was just another like typical teenage boy write-in. You know what I mean? like The cliche. Right. We've got to continue to stomp down on Steve so potentially maybe in the future he can redeem himself.
00:33:37
Speaker
who Chuck, did you think the cops did a good job? In the interview? Yeah.
Appropriateness of Police Techniques
00:33:45
Speaker
Well, I didn't know if they were there. If they were there just to figure out, hey, let's talk bar, bar, bar. Then no, I don't think they did a good job because it was it got way too much about.
00:33:58
Speaker
Yeah, I don't I don't think they were there to solve the case of Steve and Nancy. And if they were downstairs, I remember there might have been a little bit desire in in what's his face?
00:34:10
Speaker
The white dude to like. I know you're lying and your mom's here and I'm about to let her know. You're lying. Hop wasn't there to supervise. Yeah, I'm all. Yeah, he's like, I'll take the lead. Hop would have never let that happen. Hop would have sat there and made that face like,
00:34:29
Speaker
um Okay. He does that thing. Everybody he interacts with, it's like he just takes it in and processes it. like He does do the little jolt. putting the puzzle together in my own head.
00:34:39
Speaker
Okay. Yeah. He's got like a nervous tick when he's mulling something over it. we got another one of those after Sarah.
00:34:50
Speaker
You know, like, oh, when he was either him or somebody else dropped Sarah's name. it's like he did. Yeah. Was it when he was in the bar with the guy? Yeah.
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah. I'm like, okay. Another Easter egg. Okay. I thought, yeah that was good, though, because I thought it was a flashback at first. And then I realized, oh, he's. He's really there and doing that. Yeah.
00:35:13
Speaker
Not doing that guy. Interrogating that guy. Fixing a beat him up in the alley. Oof.
00:35:20
Speaker
the um The moment when they're sitting in the the room by the radio and Eleven is doing her magic.
Eleven's Search for Will
00:35:32
Speaker
In the school? She closed her eyes. Yeah. And they're all standing around and Mike's like, she's doing it. She's finding Will. And Lucas goes, calm down. She just closed her eyes. Yeah.
00:35:43
Speaker
Lucas is here for none of it. We're still on board Lucas. Nothing's happened yet. Dude, y'all crazy. Nothing's happened. Right. nothing said She just closed her eyes. Relax. Nothing has happened yet.
00:35:56
Speaker
Somebody's got to be there to bring them all down to earth. Again, the the whole... So then... ah Joyce...
Confusing Rules of Will's Appearance
00:36:04
Speaker
Seeing him through the wall, I feel like the rules, the laws of nature are broken in so many ways here. I don't know the rules of this other realm that he's in, but it's confusing.
00:36:17
Speaker
Because then it fades away. Is it only per like when it would be convenient for the plot? Probably right now. Maybe in future episodes we'll figure it out.
00:36:31
Speaker
How does he come through the wall? The wall, it's not. Don't know. it But then other times, it's just a regular wall. It's whenever he chooses, you know what? Yeah.
00:36:43
Speaker
And at some point in it when she was seeing him and she kind of peeled back the wallpaper, you know, and she could see him. And then it was over and it was like it. It grew back over like it fixed itself or something. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. It's like, oh, how how, how did the wall know?
00:37:04
Speaker
The wall knows. Okay. Your conversations, we're wrapping it up. I feel like we're got get answers to everything. We're going be okay. This makes sense. This makes sense. Speaking of close speaking of that wall.
Joyce's Axe Moment
00:37:18
Speaker
ah Well, I'll go around the room. Scott, you think you could take an axe and chop a hole through the wall of a house? And that was a pretty big hole. An exterior wall, too.
00:37:31
Speaker
That was no interior wall.
00:37:35
Speaker
but I don't think it'd be as easy as she made it look. Shauna, you think you could pull that off? I don't think... ah The house was a little rickety. It is I was going to say that. It's a little rickety. It's rundown...
00:37:49
Speaker
I think with that amount of adrenaline pumping through your veins. An exterior wall. Siding, though, right? It's not brick. Right. And it's been around a while.
00:38:02
Speaker
If you told me there were termites in those walls, it wouldn't shock me Okay. Hey.
00:38:09
Speaker
You think you
Lonnie's Motives at the Funeral
00:38:10
Speaker
could, Joe? should put it to the test. I do. I'm pretty handy with an axe and a mall, though, you know. I throw those overalls on, and I'm i through in probably 30 seconds. Yeah. Well, it took her like 10.
00:38:23
Speaker
She was through that thing quick. I think we had a cutaway and then came back. I agree with you, though. it It probably would be a little trickier than it looked. i didn't see the insulation flying around either. So that's a cold house, I think.
00:38:38
Speaker
That's what I'm saying. it was yeah I don't know that there was that much to go through.
00:38:45
Speaker
Why is Lonnie there too? wow Yeah, him showing up out of nowhere. For the funeral maybe. That's right. We're having a funeral because we've seen Will's dead body. Good of him to show up for that. For his child's funeral.
00:38:57
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. He's a really upstanding dude. That's true. All right.
00:39:03
Speaker
I don't have any more notes. ah Scott, I'm glad you asked. ah We did get another entry from ah Hopper's diary. You asked about the diary. From the National Archives. Yeah, they sent me another one. Yeah. um I wrote them a letter to start sending those to me. They must not have gotten it. Oh, interesting.
00:39:24
Speaker
Well, maybe next time. ah This one goes like this. I can't really tell if this was before after some of the events we just talked about, but ah it's around this time.
00:39:36
Speaker
Okay. He starts.
Humorous Take on Hopper's Diary
00:39:39
Speaker
Hot Man's Back. Back Again. i I don't know. i don't know if he's trying to be a lyricist. It's got to be before then.
00:39:48
Speaker
It's after he found the body. but He's always in a good mood in his diary, but his exterior portrays it. It's weird. know, right? I feel like... Such an outlet. Before he started, right now, he's like... He did his nervous tick.
00:40:02
Speaker
Yeah. he I can picture him laying on his back. Yeah. Kicking his feet. Kicking his feet. Like Sean said. All right. So, he goes, man, Joyce is deaf cray cray. I didn't know if they talked like that back then. But, I mean, Hopper's a little ahead of his time. Like, he's aware of Michael Jordan at North Carolina. He's from the big city. You know, he sees things coming to the future.
00:40:25
Speaker
ah So, he says, stuff she has described to me would make a great horror movie. Yeah.
00:40:33
Speaker
Particularly the part about a dude pushing through the wall. It would be cool if it were like some guy with severe burn scars that wears a fedora and haunts kids in their dreams.
00:40:45
Speaker
Specifically. I mean, I think he is on to something here. think timeline's wrong there. don't know. Maybe he just hasn't seen it yet. Well, I think at this point it's already out.
00:40:57
Speaker
Yeah, I think I got the... He lives in that little cabin in the woods. He's not... I might have got the years wrong, too, by the way. But anyway, whatever. He's on to something there. ah Anyway, he wraps up.
00:41:09
Speaker
Based on some of the creatures or people that Joyce says she's seen... There's a good chance that, and I don't know why he wrote it like this, there's a good chance that quote, and he wrote little air quotes, they not like us, they not like us, they not like us.
00:41:31
Speaker
Hopper wrote that. Hopper wrote that. Hopper from Strange and wrote that. He's talking about whoever these people or whatever these things are that Joyce says, good chance Just in in case people didn't hear.
00:41:44
Speaker
Good chance. Oh, it's just like They not like us. They not like us. They not like us. Go Hoosiers. Okay. Hop out.
00:41:55
Speaker
That's another entry from the National Archives. I might have taken the cake. It was like a serious observation. Like, they're not like us. Well, he didn't say they're. He said hey They not like us.
00:42:05
Speaker
You know? Well, maybe his grammar is poor. Well, maybe he's just
Episode Reflection and Anticipation
00:42:10
Speaker
cool like that. You know, he talks in cool, lyrical yeah phrases. But he's being like factual. like They aren't like us.
00:42:18
Speaker
They don't look like us. They not like us. Okay. He actually put a little music quotes around it too. Like maybe he was writing a song or something. They not like us. he's So interesting. i've i need to talk to the... I mean, straight out of National Archives, Scott. It's national history. Yeah, that's what you say. Like government documents. I mean, you don't question the government.
00:42:42
Speaker
Well.
00:42:44
Speaker
Okay. Well, thank you for that. um That was episode four of Stranger Things. It's getting good now. We're getting to some deeper, you know.
00:42:56
Speaker
Fix and uncover something. Hopefully. Yeah. I mean, Elle still can talk. Will's alive? What? Barb? Who's Barb? We got to find Will. And you're right. We didn't touch on that too much. But Hopper showed a lot of confidence cutting into that body.
00:43:14
Speaker
And he did such a good job of yeah showing it on his face like two or three times. He's like, am I going to do this? Yeah, he kind of hesitated like, ugh.
00:43:26
Speaker
And then he went for it. you need to cut from here down? I mean, I feel like you could have just like started on the side of the leg or something. I mean, he but he was all in. He went right for the chest. yeah Good for Hopper. Bam! Good for Hopper.
00:43:41
Speaker
He's an all in kind of guy. His confidence level was through the roof on that one. But also, I guess at the end of the day, it's a cadaver. You're not going to hurt it.
00:43:52
Speaker
It's kind of already done. i mean. It's like, well, I mean. That's true. so For somebody else to clean I'll have keep that mind.
00:44:03
Speaker
Okay. with Which part? You never know. Thank you, everybody, for tuning in. Stranger Things, episode four. This is Episodes Unscripted for Charlie Harcum, Shauna Fretwell. I am Scott Feltz.
00:44:18
Speaker
Thank you for joining us. Hop out.