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Where's Barb?: Stranger Things S1E3
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Mrs. Wheeler just wants someone to love, Eleven’s vocabulary makes zero sense, and Mike? Relax bro... We’re diving into these moments and more so tune in. Oh also... WHERE'S BARB?!
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Introduction & Podcast Uniforms
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Why is you wearing that? What am I wearing what?
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What? What am I? Because I knew. I knew. Oh, I thought. We talked about it. We talked about it while you were here. Are y'all matchy matchy right now? We're both ODU. Represent. But you know what I thought about it? I was like, y'all have like a uniform for this podcast. Yeah. Do I always wear this? Yes. And you've worn that for at least two or three episodes. And it makes me feel like, should I also have? I've kind of thought about that. I try to look the same each time. Memorable.
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Welcome to
Stranger Things Episode 3 Recap
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episodes unscripted. I am Scott Feltz joined by Shauna Frutwell and Charlie Harcum. All right. We have a lot to cover. This is Stranger Things episode three. So I'm just going to give the recap. Straightforward. I'll take notes during your recap. Okay. You might sit on that during the show, but okay. I'm just going to run through it. still learning We open with Barr potentially dying. We don't really know. Seemed like it.
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Nancy leaves Steve's house after they just did the deed. And Mrs. Wheeler catches her coming in. Classic. ah Joyce is going crazy with the lights in Will's room. She's surrounded by them. Jonathan, the lights. He's here. her the The guys plan to go on a mission after school. They tell 11, meet them by the power lines outside of school after three or ah after school. Hop goes to the restricted area.
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Do a little bit of investigating there. Joyce hangs lights. She goes bonkers with the lights. She likes Christmas. They leave the restricted area, hopping them.
Barb's Fate & Nancy's Transformation
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They're a little sus. They go to the library. Nance recognizes Barb is gone. Finally, Mrs. Wheeler visits Joyce. Jonathan gets bullied outside of the school for some pictures that he took. Eleven kills some guys in a flashback.
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Uh, Nancy looks for Barb, the only one looking for Barb currently. No one else even knows she's gone. Joyce talks to the lights and then she witnesses a Demogorgon. Meanwhile, the cops find a body and that is where we end it. Oh, what made you say a body Scott? Um, that feels like jumping ahead.
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Well, because I didn't, I mean, yeah, I guess it's, well, it's close, but that's that's what they thought the kids didn't seem to think. So ah let's start at the beginning because I think it is a fantastic parallel to have a parallel universe. That's crazy. Barb is dying.
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And meanwhile, Nancy and Steve are having the time of their life. Nancy is coming over to the dark side. But Barb's not dying. We just see her stumbling around. We get the idea that she's somewhere not of this earth. Yeah. We don't know if she's dying or not. We don't know what she's going through yet. I say dying to be dramatic, but we really don't know if she's dying. She's just lost and confused and very afraid. And meanwhile, Nancy is getting her swerve on and...
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I was very confused. I'm like, wait a minute, didn't, I thought we saw her get like eaten. Maybe I've made that up in my own mind. Well, she got snatched up and so did Will. Yeah, I don't even want you to get eaten. Yeah, maybe I made up that part of my mind. One thing before we get too far into this, I don't think I've mentioned this the last two episodes. I don't know if either one of y'all are picking up on the... Scott, I hate to make references in the past all the time, but you remember the show Creepshow?
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either one of y'all? Creepshow? The old, scary, it was, it's it's really good. Y'all should just look it up. They made movies but it's a TV show. The intros, you know when the the the title screen comes up and they zoom in and they go through the title?
00:04:39
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And it's yeah the background is behind the title. That's straight from Creepshow. Yeah, it's it's awesome too because it makes it very Real like who I'm moving into this world. It's a great pretty here. Yeah film I'm sure you guys are very familiar with that not to get off topic. I'm just really quick I did I really like when they do it reverse like at the end of the movie you like it to reverse and it just keeps going and after the movie's over and we just keep going back to like, Horton, here's a who, and they zoom out and yeah zoom out and then keep zooming out. And then it's like planets and universes and galaxies. We should talk about that sometime.
Mrs. Wheeler's Empathy
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We should. We should.
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So, Nancy and Steve, though, that was um so was interesting because I would just like to mention that, you know, so Nancy gets up to leave. One other note, on top of my note that I haven't even made yet, I don't know what all the guys are sleeping face down, what that's about. Do you sleep face down, Chuck, like on your stomach?
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Before I answer that question, what's, is it specifically ga a guy thing that you're curious about? but I was curious if that's a gender thing. I sleep on my stomach. Well, because i because we saw Steve do it and then right after that, the next few shots, we see Jonathan doing it and I'm like, man, is that like a cool like, oh, he's so knocked out. He's just flat out on his face. ah I can't sleep on my stomach anymore because I hurt my back.
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Wow. That's real. That's real. yeah that be on guess Anyway, ah Nancy gets up to leave. And she's like, Steve, Steve, huh? I'm leaving. Yeah. OK, cool. He doesn't even say that much. So I know that he made me mad. I know they're high school kids, but it's dark. And she's the one who has to get dressed and sneak back home. Homie can't even pick his head up off the pillow. Right. Yeah, sir, sir. It's bad. At least walk her to the door for crying out loud. Yeah. And then I think it's
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And I'm not a woman, but i I could feel her vulnerability when she's walking through the school later on. Yeah. like saying And she's thinking everybody's looking at like, cause it's that feeling like, okay, we did this and then nothing happened. And then now I feel you really vulnerable and feel like maybe you just kind of did that for. Right. She felt taken advantage of like, Oh, I thought he really liked me. Oh no, he got what he was after. And now he can't even like,
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And to his credit, he swooped in and saved the day. Like, cause then he, you know, she calmed down again. But for that brief moment, I thought. Man, okay. All right. But I want to, I want to step, I know it's gross. I don't like it either, but I want to take one step back to when she gets home. I thought Mrs. Wheeler, like I felt that moment for her because one, she's like, you freaked me out. I had no idea where you were. But then secondly, I thought she was a really good mom in that moment because she was like, you can talk to me. Like she picked up immediately on the fact that like something had happened. I was thinking the same thing. Yeah. I'm just going to say it. She knew her daughter had sex with a boy. She picked up on that real quick. And the way that she was like, you can talk to me. And you could tell it was like a woman to woman moment where her heart
Joyce and the Lights: Communication or Delusion?
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broke for her daughter because she knew something had happened and her daughter was hurt.
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And so the way that she was like, she went from being mad to having so much empathy in that moment, I was like, she's a really good mom. I'm sorry, I'm smiling through that hard i realize I was just smiling. I was so excited because to your point, when that happened, I made a note immediately and only added to it as the episode went on. The fact that Mrs. Wheeler just wants someone to talk to her. Oh, she's desperate. Because in the first she in this one of the other two episodes, she said to Mike, you can talk like I'm here. Yes, she did. And he blew her off and then here. And she's like acting like like what? No, nothing happened. You can talk to me. I didn't i didn't like that they ah back to when Nancy and Steve were getting it on.
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I mean, I'll be the first to admit i didn't I didn't have that type of experience when I was in high school, but I don't imagine No, I don't imagine high schoolers being that. It always bothers me when you see young people in a romantic. That casual. Yeah, and it's net. But it's not like that. I should say I haven't been there, but it's not going to be like that at all. No, it's a very unrealistic. And I hate that they make it so serious. But I know it worked out because Nancy felt vulnerable. And for the woman, no doubt.
00:09:35
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that's a I feel like it's a bigger deal, certainly in the early, I don't want to say first time, that freaks me out saying that, but that's a big deal. Yeah. And for them to make that moment so, oh, it's so, look, I think even just sound like that at all. But the movies always do that. They always depict it like it's... At the risk of sounding weird.
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Like it was kind of like, whoa, this is way more hot than it should seem. It's grown folks. Yep, it was like grown people. And those were not grown folks. It's really going out on that a lot. They're clearly like 16-year-olds, and they they made it look real grown. Right. And that's just not where you're at at that point. That's not how that goes. going to be an awkward.
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Anyway, okay, good. We're on the same page. We're on the same page. I have a note down here about the kids coming home late. I think it was just Nancy coming home and yeah again, for me, I'm like, ah I don't know. That's just foreign to me. But I did start thinking about my own kids and coming home late and it's like,
00:10:36
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Yeah, you could have at least called her. Why didn't you just... I mean, we... It's also a different time because now you just shoot a text. Right. Just text me and let me know when you leave your friend's house. When she said you could have at least called, I'm like, yeah. Could she? Where was she going to call? I mean, I guess she could call from whatever place she was.
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But you don't really want to call from the house party on a Tuesday night that you're at. Yeah, that's a landline. We can see, right? Yeah.
80s Nostalgia in Stranger Things
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But did they even, I don't know that they had caller ID at that point. You just answer, you would just answer the phone. That's why brand calls were such a big deal. Cause you had no idea.
00:11:14
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Until what was it, like star six, seven? When was Call Our Idea thing? you were You guys were just answering the phone. like You didn't even call our ideas until like... Blindly. Early 90s maybe, because you had the little LCD on the phone finally. yeah Wow. Oh yeah, you were excited to answer the phone back then. It was like, oh man, the phone's ringing. Let me go get it. People's anxiety today could never. People could never. But yeah, you had no idea. You picked it up and prayed for the best.
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um I have more to talk about with Mrs. Wheeler, ah but we'll get to it. Hey, you're digging. I'm surprised you don't have a poster behind you with Mrs. Wheeler's face on it. She's just so great. She's really just so great. She's a sweetheart. She really is.
00:11:54
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the um When Jonathan walked in on on his mom, sitting there like talking like yes and there's lights all around her um that was hilarious i wasn't supposed to be but that was so funny because i'm thinking oh he's realizing you you are delusional now they were doing a great job of making her seem delusional she's losing her mind one thing that happened in that that really bothered me when When she was just in front of the one light bulb, yeah he comes in, she's like, Jonathan, watch. And she says, Will, are you there? It takes a beat, and then the light comes on.
00:12:37
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So obviously something happened there and then she never did it with him again. She never said, no, no, no, look, let's do it again. Let's do it again. He just immediately goes into mom, you're crazy. yeah I'm like, no, do it again. Well, hey, but from his perspective, you walk in on that and you're like, and that happened and you're like you're okay, you sound so delusional right now. I don't want to let you sit here and continue to- I did see the light go.
00:13:05
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So I'd be like, okay, make it happen again and maybe I won't call you crazy. No, she already looks crazy. She's sitting in there rocking back. I think we could have got a lot further right there if she had just made it do it again.
00:13:18
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But I think we as the viewers need to think she's crazy at that moment. i think that Everyone else needs to think she's crazy. right They're casting that light on her. yeah like this is The audience is supposed to feel exactly how. Because then then Mrs. Wheeler comes over and he's like, wait a minute. What? yeah She brings the casserole?
00:13:38
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That was another thing I was thinking. Which is so sweet. I think people still... She does just... And even Joyce is like, get out of my face right now actually. Thanks for the casserole. She had to bake it, right? Whatever it was. She had to cook it. Back in the day, that was such a thing. You brought casseroles to people. Yeah, but I thought you brought them already cooked. You bring it... No, you can make it and then you're gonna take it over and say, you can heat it up.
00:14:06
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Like it's put together, but you still have to put it in the oven. Yeah. Okay. I guess I was thinking like a roll, something, something, and she had to put it in the oven and bake it for three hours. She'd already put all the ingredients in there and then it was like, all right, just open the oven. Just 350 for 20 minutes and it's ready kind of thing. Okay. Okay. I'm not a woman. Because you maybe don't- Well, you missed the point though there because, yeah, I see what you're doing. You missed the point because that was so sweet of her.
00:14:30
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to come over and do that. And still she gets rejected. And I'm thinking this woman is trying to find anyone that will just smile at her. Are you playing with something? Oh, sorry. Sorry. It's a nervous twitch. Cause I'm like, ah, I want to say more about Joyce, but I was just going to say how good of a job they made Winona Ryder look.
00:14:51
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rough. No, that's a that is a good note. I love her character. I love Joyce. Yeah. She's one of my favorites. But okay, so that that what you're getting at, I have notes on that for the the other show that we're doing at the moment, where it's there's a little bit of like, you're just literally admiring the production value. Right. I get wrapped up into that sometimes more than the story. Because you're like, wait a minute, that is awesome. Right. I have a note just like that. one You would, Film Boy. Film Boy. Sorry, you brought up first. What did you like to know, Weather Boy?
00:15:32
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um There's no way they still haven't found the child in the basement. and I mean, yep they go down there. That's ridiculous. But at a certain point, where is Mrs. Wheeler? when she's Is she out taking the casserole? When Eleven's just roaming the house, she's looking at pictures and chilling in the recliner. Just like, okay, what like might as well roam around. Speaking of, she nods to the other shows too. That is a complete nod to ET.
00:16:01
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You know when E.T. gets left alone at the house all the time and he's roaming the house, he turns the TV on. But that's what I was saying in the first episode is like I think they did such an incredible job with the nostalgia in the production of this show.
00:16:14
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Yeah, what was that, He-Man? I don't know who that was. He-Man. On the TV, the character. Oh! Was it? He-Man was huge at that time. I was making a note about E.T. when when she was even watching stuff. I remember the Coke commercial because that gave her a flashback, right? Yeah, that gave her some... Speaking of, they you know they get the slingshot. I don't know if we've gotten to that point.
00:16:36
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Spring shots are not what they used to be. Back in the day, that was an awesome thing to have. What did he call it? The wrist rocket. Is that what he called it? I'm pretty sure. No, no, it was some rocket. It wasn't the P word. Wrist. Oh, wrist rocket. I thought you said P word. What?
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that is not i not a rest rocke cursor i thought you i thought you said something else rich rocket yeah i've never heard that but that's cool my point was slingsh shots were cool yeah yeah saylin has another time to the eighty s subtle things like that
00:17:28
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Well, they were trying to console him at that point because he had just got bullied, which, by the way, I wrote. I got bullies again. Again with the bullies. It's insufferable. The kids were mean. that There was multiple because the the couple, I cannot stand that couple. Tommy and... Homegirl with her foot on the table. Before we get that though, before we get there, the kids that bullied Mike and his friends, that's not real. I'm not buying any of it. None of it. We got to be building to something stupid. It's got to be just building to some moment that's just going to make them look ridiculous. The high schoolers, Steve and Tommy, when they bullied Jonathan, that's more real. One, they have motive other than just, you're stupid and don't have teeth.
00:18:12
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That's weak. Give me something. They have reason and they do it really well because it's not like... i You appreciate older bullies. They bully them really well. but Yeah, that's what it sounds like. But i I'm so glad, not to jump around here, but I'm so glad that someone walked in on Jonathan in this, you know, dark room with these photos. Like, what are you doing still? Why are you still with the photos? I did write down that, okay, seeing when when Steve and his gang were even going through the photos. Yeah. I was like,
00:18:51
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Okay, that is a little bit weird that he was taking some of those pictures. I'm so glad to what you were saying last time. I'm so glad you guys are coming around that because not only that, but he knew it was weird because when she came in, he's like, Oh, let me not don't look at those that I'm.
00:19:07
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Even if he had said, okay, maybe in that moment, that wasn't the best thing. That wasn't the best choice. You could have not gone through the process of developing those. That's what I'm saying. Right? And taking it to that next step where now you have prints of everything. Now you're taking them home. What are you doing? You've committed to those photos. You have a photo of Nancy taking her bra off or shirt off and you're, what are you doing with it? How? What are you going to do with that? Did Steve and them No. That he. I don't remember them knowing. Walked in and then she was. He was.
00:19:43
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Oh, I remember the red, the dark room, but I guess I didn't remember the group, somebody walking in. Oh, okay. I'm trying to figure out how angry it is. I should pay attention while I'm taking notes. I mean, the bullying was brutal, but also it was totally justified. I have
Jonathan's Photos & Tension with Steve
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no sympathy there. Did your heart sink when they dropped that camera? I was going to say, I don't know about that. They were justified in feeling angry. I don't know that they were justified in taking it to the lengths that they Oh yeah, I feel like they definitely were. I feel like they kind of, I don't know. I mean, well, if they were nice people maybe, but listen, you find a photo of your girlfriend taken from the woods through the window, taking her shirt off. I'm surprised they didn't just beat them up. I mean,
00:20:32
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He was very casual about the idea. That's so creeper. Oh, it is. You have no reason to believe. I just thought my first thought isn't go beat the person up. My first thought is. Well, you're not Steve, so. Right. Well, where's Steve with his wedding? I wouldn't beat him up either. But would you go break the camera? Like, well, how would you react? I'd probably go tell his parents. Oh, you're such a dork.
00:20:59
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You narc. Hey, so... Missed his tummy. You probably punished him though. I know your other son is like missing right now, but this is weird. So can you just take care of that? Because I don't want to talk to him. By the way, I think you're probably hot, but you just look rough right now. I'll come back in six months. Yeah, she'd be like, wait, wait, the lights though. li You come here and look at this. And I'd be like, I totally believe you. Make it happen again and we got something here. There was another thing that got dropped during this show. That Millennium Falcon? Oh, yeah. I was just thinking the whole time, man, first of all, that's probably a very
00:21:43
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valuable toy 40 years ago. You got dropped twice. But now... Yeah, he just dropped that thing like it wasn't a big deal. Well, because she was supposed to... I know, but make it I was just thinking, dude, you're just breaking my toys. what are you What are you doing? She made him fly later and then just dropped it. Yeah. like So that thing has got rough to poor Millennium Falcon. Yeah, that's... I'm so glad you noticed the toys we're getting from...
00:22:07
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Because you're thinking, no, if my friends come over and just drop that. You're out of here. Dude. Go home. ah Speaking of, Mike has terrible like main character energy.
00:22:20
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I mean, this dude thinks- Sometimes he's all over the place. Yeah, I'm the guy. You guys are here because of me. I think it's because he's the dungeon master and he thinks, you know, oh, I am the main character. No. When, we'll get to it more in a minute. I don't want to jump there yet. But at the very end, you know, everybody's upset and he's the one that's like, no, you know what? I'm going to take this moment to lash out and then sprint off. And then everybody's supposed to be like, Mike, come on.
00:22:49
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Like we're all suffering here, not, you know. Like he hit somebody pretty hard. Like somebody was grabbing him or something. He goes, no, and that was a bit much Mike. Yeah. You might get put on your butt.
00:23:00
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but How about me? but Somebody's gonna do it though. I mean, I won't do it. I'll go tell your parents on you. I'll let his mom know. Lucy, Mike snatched his arm back from me, so... I mean, it didn't hurt, but I just thought you should know. As a sidebar, didn't we all know that kid growing up, though? There was always that one kid that was always like... Go tell the parents. There was, though. I can picture in my head who it was when I was a kid, that one person that was always, like, fussing about something.
00:23:30
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If something illegal was going to go down, ah you weren I thought I was going to somehow be implicated. I'm i'm letting somebody know. Implicated or you just liked being the one to break the story? No, I was never that. It was when ah it was a self-preservation thing. I'm saying it like it happened. It never happened, but I would be that one. Hypothetically. Yeah.
00:23:54
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also also L is still so annoying, having to repeat stuff back. Okay. When he's telling her to meet her, meet him, when Mike's explaining how to meet him. Yes. Power lines. Yes. I even have sometimes- Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait. You just said it though. When he's like the power line, you know, the power lines behind the house?
00:24:15
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Yeah. Meet us there at 3.15. 3.15? What does that mean? Yeah. Wait a minute. You know what a power line is, but you have no concept of time? And then she and he says, after school. And she goes, after school?
00:24:29
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Like, what are you saying? I don't know how to explain it to you. But then later on, she's... But were they telling time in the facility that she was staying? The time didn't even bother me. It was the power lines and after school when she repeated it. I'm like, what are you doing? But what does she know about school? She's been in a sterile facility. What does she know about power lines?
00:24:50
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Well, those might at least be a little more accessible. Well, then she doesn't know anything about anything. I don't think she would be talking. I don't know how she knows anything at all. I don't think that's the impression we're supposed to be under, is that she's been in this facility her whole life. She knows nothing. yeah Does she know things or does she not know things? Right. I i get the inconsistency. I i see your point. Oh my gosh. I struggle with it. I struggle watching her talk. 3-3-1-5. Okay, 3-1-5. Do you have any idea what that means?
00:25:17
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I looked at the power lines, the big cables on the pole going through the neighborhood. Oh, neighborhood. Yeah. It's a group of houses. Yeah. Houses. Well, she truly knows nothing. How does she know what that is? She probably does. Well, she probably doesn't, but she knows what neighborhood means.
00:25:34
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I liked the contrast between Lucas and Dustin, where Dustin thought she was an X-Men. Yeah, Dustin's a fantasy world. think He was just fangirling so hard. And then you've got Lucas who thinks she's like gum on the bottom of somebody's shoe. He's got no use for her. She's a witch. And I loved that contrast.
00:25:54
Speaker
I think I'm Lucas. I think I'm the guy. I was gonna say, you're definitely a Lucas. Why are we not telling somebody about this? Common sense tells you you can trust adults and authorities. Right. Now, what's funny is, yes, you would be honest, but no. I don't feel comfortable at all. That's how I was raised. You would be one of the kids that would die. Because, yeah, you just go tell the authorities, and then, you know, 11 people get around. I'd be one of the ones that ends the TV show and movie early.
00:26:22
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Right. That's my thing. It doesn't even bother me. We were talking about with the guy in the restaurant and I'm like, they need to call. you know
Hopper's Investigation & Discoveries
00:26:33
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Yeah. It was like, well, but don't because then they'll die. Well, but they don't know that. They're not calling, it's just ignorance. They have no reason. It's not necessarily. Sometimes it's called one of two things, either street smarts or trust issues. Sometimes both can come in handy, like in this case. I'm really glad that the way the whole restricted area and the government building went down. I feel relieved because- Yeah, they finally went there.
00:27:00
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Yeah, well, and the way he did it was to was like exactly the way I explained it where it's like all you gotta do is go in there and be like, listen, dude, I don't think he's in here. I don't know. I just have to check it off. He even said that I've just had to check the box and I'm like, that's all I wanted. The only note I made about that was that that MP that led him through at the gate or talk to his boss. That's o that's definitely not happening. Like,
00:27:24
Speaker
Well, maybe in the 80s, maybe, but I don't know. I mean, it's the 80s. You don't play around. People get killed for stuff like that. Well, I mean, he's police, so it's not like a random stranger. It's not like that video, that guy rolling for Area 51. I know Stacy. Stacy, I know her. Okay, dude, that's not going to help you get in here. He was in our police. He was in his awesome blazer.
00:27:48
Speaker
Okay, okay, maybe. I'll cut him a break. Well, when he was leaving, and he's like, you remember that night? It was raining. You see rain? I'm thinking, okay, hop is like hardcore detective. That moment I was like, that man is a big fish in a small pond. He definitely is. He is, he's because he's former big city cop, right? That's the implication.
00:28:13
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Really? Yeah. I hadn't picked up on that. Yeah, because they kept saying, you know, talking about if you want to go work in the big city again or something like that. Yeah, yeah. So this is like him really like, he's below his own bar. Oh. Being where he is. Yeah, it's. He's better than below his average. That's not the right saying. Definitely. How's that go?
00:28:31
Speaker
I was trying to think of what the correct terminology for that is, but anyways, yeah, he's big fish, small pond. He's capable of more. He's the only person that seems to be able to connect dots on the level that he
Microfiche Machines & Library Moments
00:28:42
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can. Even when they're in the library, which that was a little bit funny in the library scene, because he's like, maybe we should go out again.
00:28:48
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ah oh yeah and That was weird. Don't say that. There's some about librarians though, right? I mean, they're always like, you're not like, oh, okay.
00:29:01
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You always have a crush on the library. I don't get it. Oh, yeah. Have the glasses down just a little bit. I've never actually seen a librarian that looks like that though. If you go to the library, that's not what they look like. Joke of you. Wow. I have. I have personal experience. Not from high school. From now. From the now. Potentially. Oh, is Aaron a librarian? Wow. I did. No, I genuinely did not know that.
00:29:31
Speaker
um Cheers to you, my friend. They were all like 60 plus old ladies. nice, but definitely not. That's a sign felt bad. I remember when the librarian was an old lady. You didn't know about her private life and you didn't want to. Anyway.
00:29:49
Speaker
um We moved on from the library. I got one note when they were in the library. Go, go, go. Ever used the micro fish machine? Those things were no awesome. I never did, no.
00:30:02
Speaker
I thought for sure you would say you had. I'm sorry. no i they They were so cool because it was like you you put this little, small little slide on this thing and you're like and you're sliding it around and it's all zoomed out in your view. I remember watching it and thinking, okay, they're really heavy on the 80s now. I don't even know what that is. I'm picturing the projectors that we used to have in school.
00:30:26
Speaker
And it seemed like similar to that. You slide. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That was even before my time. Well, the projectors couldn't have been. Well, no, not the projectors. Yeah. The other. The. Oh, go ahead, Chuck. You have a note. You want to say something? Please do. No, I think we're getting to it.
00:30:48
Speaker
Uh, at some point, uh, Holly, did Holly come when they brought the casserole? Yeah. And then she wandered away when the lights were. It was, it just was weird. Like why, if that's Will talking, why Holly being in there made a difference. What?
00:31:09
Speaker
When Holly was there, the little girl and she walks around and she's following the lights. yeah Like he's talking to her more than he'd talk to anybody else. and We didn't talk, he's not talking to anybody. Communicating whatever he's but trying to do. Well here's the thing, here's the thing though. So boy just based on what I understand about watching it years ago, the lights thing is not It's weird and I actually wrote that I have questions about it because at one point it's they're like flashing in a direction for Joyce like an arrow and I'm thinking, well, that's not will. Is he in the
Joyce's Wall of Lights: A Message from Will?
00:31:49
Speaker
upside down doing this?
00:31:51
Speaker
you know, like motioning them. But then at some point they go in thosewa and they touch a light and it shows up. And so it's like, how do these lights work? He's over there in the corner. Are the lights this special being telling Joyce, Hey, this is where he's at over here. Why would the lights all around him not be illuminating? I don't understand it. And is he in the upside down touching the letters? What is that place you keep talking about? The upside down? Hmm.
00:32:21
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Oh, I'm so sorry.
00:32:26
Speaker
hello I'm sorry, I'm getting ahead. It's just, it really bothered me. us No, but I i was chatting. But it's 100% him controlling the lights, is it not? Yeah, I know, but I just, like, how? But like you're saying logistically. Logistically, how is he doing that? Right, because if you think, okay, well, he's in that room, you know, how is he managing I just have so many questions. yeah But I think you know the the monsters could be triggering the lights as well. And that's why you saw them. It's all energy almost. Do you know what I mean? like It feels like the electricity that would come off of your body. Have you thought about the monsters maybe? One other thing when she had the big ball of lights.
00:33:07
Speaker
And she says, yeah blink him once for yes, twice for no. And one time he answers yes, it only blinked once. She didn't give it a chance to see if it was gonna blink twice. Maybe that's a no. She was already relieved. But then one time he answers no, but she gave it time that time. Anyway. My favorite part of this entire episode is her and the lights.
00:33:31
Speaker
like just all the different scenes of her running around, hanging the lights and just like her level of franticness. Like, I don't know. It's just so engaging to watch that she's. And when she checks out with them at the store, just put them on my tab or whatever. Yeah, he needed to whatever. We're not going to let this man be the obstacle here. It's funny. I was going to comment on that. Your dweeby boss. When he did it the last time, well, he's a nice guy because the last time she had to buy a phone and she's like,
00:33:59
Speaker
She's worked there for 37 years or something. like but I know. Let me get it out. She said, like, I need an advance. Like, I'm really struggling. And he's like, you know what? ah Don't worry about it. I got you. We're good. And it's like, Oh, okay. And then she comes back with the lights and he's like, I mean, i you're really, I don't know what to do here. like i can't And she's like, just, I need the lights. And it's like, all right, Joyce, but But when you're that locked in. I don't know how far I let you go with this. She was too locked in. She's like, I cannot with you right now. You have got to step aside. She was a lady on a mission. But she didn't have the money for that. You don't think Joyce is hooking them up in any way, right? Joyce wouldn't do that. Joyce would not. Not in this stage. Not my Joyce. Not your Joyce. Thank you. Joyce would never. I feel better. But Mrs. Wheeler, though,
00:34:58
Speaker
when um I so the whole time I think it was when ah Joyce tells her to leave I need you to leave and I'm thinking this woman is getting so much disrespect right now I can't handle like it this she's the only person in this entire show that is being just genuine real per yes just real hasn't done anything that's like, oh, that's. She's the only person not going through something. Right. On like a really extreme level at the moment. I think she is though. She's just out here baking her cups. She's just covering it up because her husband is. Well, yeah, that's a whole other situation. I think she might be, but she's like, okay, you don know what? I'm going to try. I'm going to do nice things for other people. And maybe I can tell my kids, hey, look I'm not even mad at you. You know, just talk to me. Nope. They don't want to. And the whole time I'm getting mad because I'm thinking this is ridiculous.
00:35:55
Speaker
And then by the end of it, twice, she got a moment with each of her kids. And i I'm not even going to lie to you, I was on the verge of tears. I felt so happy because I'm thinking, what a relief, what a relief that she's been sitting there.
00:36:11
Speaker
I'm not a woman, but i had a mom you you're and as a mom, she's thinking, I've told both of my kids, you can talk to me and they just brush me off. And I try to be nice to Joyce and she said, leave. And my husband, God knows where he is, but he's a pain in my, you know what? And then finally
Mrs. Wheeler's Connection with Her Kids
00:36:29
Speaker
they both kind of break down crying in front of her like, all right, I'm just, here I am vulnerable. Wow. Well, I'm getting emotional thinking about it. What is happening?
00:36:40
Speaker
Yeah, we gotta so real we gotta to get you a poster. When he runs in and and just kind of stands there and looks at her and just kind of starts crying and she's just like, yup, this is what I've been waiting for. Honestly, that is the reality of being a mom. If Erin were here, she'd probably back me up a hundred percent.
00:36:57
Speaker
75% of the time, you're trying your best at all times to be everything you need to be for this little human, and 25% of the time it's going to land. How do you hope? And 10% of the time you get appreciation for it. Right, and you have that moment where you get the hug. Unexpected appreciation. Where it's like, wow, I can see. Are we all three going to cry right now?
00:37:19
Speaker
Listen, I'm an almost 15 year old. This is my reality on the regular where it's like every once in a while you just get blindsided with that like big hug or that like, thanks mom. And you're like, what? It was just such a payoff because it was like, she's the only one that cares. Who knows where the dad is. And they finally, after being very reluctant to do so, finally come to the mom like, okay, here I am. I need my mom moment.
00:37:43
Speaker
While we're giving mom's credit, I'm going to give Joyce some more credit. That alphabet thing, that was genius. Oh, I love it. That genius. I love it. But that's another level of like her dedication to figuring this out. She's not going to let her boss or Mrs. Wheeler or even her son stand in her way. She is like, I'm locked in and this is my kid and I know what I know. So it's it's the same type of thing, just different scenario. Yeah. Yeah, that was genius. I just want her like,
00:38:16
Speaker
When he said run. Oh, I love that scene so much. He had to say something real quick. I mean, he didn't know what, you know. Will's got a little bit of L in him. Like, come on, dude. Communicate a little bit better here. I'm just picturing him like standing on the couch trying to reach the letters. Oh, you really mean logistically. Logistically, yes. I'm wondering how he's doing this so well. Would he not bump another letter and confuse everybody?
00:38:44
Speaker
like Well, that are that's just when you got to like turn your brain off and enjoy the show. Well, that's fair. Yeah, okay. But that scene is so cool. I love it. When you figure out what he's spelling and just that moment of like- She waited so long to see what was busting through the wall. Well, it could have been him. She's a little gangster. She might have been ready to squabble up. What if it was her kid? Maybe he meant run to me.
00:39:13
Speaker
That would have been really dramatic if that's what he said. Now run. And she turns around at Tim. Here I am. Run into my arms, Mom. Here I am. No. Because he had just said right here, too. Right here. Run. Aw. That's dumb. No, my good stuff. I don't know what other notes I have. The other thing I had written down was, oh, I think we kind of talked about it.
00:39:43
Speaker
ah Hopper knows about this. He knows about Elle on some level, right? He knows there's this child that got found or something. No.
Elle's Backstory & Powers: Manipulation?
00:39:56
Speaker
He doesn't even know that because his buddy He said, who could have told him god listen, we see these kids in the hospital. That's right. Nobody knows about her because they got, uh, right. Okay. Cause I'm running down. Why are we not trying to find L anymore? When they interrogated the guy, no one's looking for L except for Papa, which I don't understand. yeah What the, I have so many questions.
00:40:22
Speaker
about that whole relationship with Elle and Papa. It was weird when he cradled her. And she straight up killed two dudes, by the way. Oh, yeah. like Which did not faze him. He obviously knew her capabilities. Yeah. But you get the sense that she's being programmed, trained, groomed, whatever you want to call it. Okay, have you guys seen... Chuck, you have. Umbrella Academy? No.
00:40:48
Speaker
Okay. Does it not give off that same energy? I had to quit watching that show. Okay. it was Well, just, I got confused in like the third season could suddenly one character was a different person. You got i to understand you got through three seasons, you know that the the dad in there was very much like, okay, you have powers and I'm going to harness them and I'm going to get you to show them. But he had no emotions towards them as kids.
00:41:17
Speaker
But she is so attached to him. Like when something goes crazy, she's like, Papa. And I'm thinking, he's the one running all this, why? That's what makes me think he's truly psycho because he's, but every kid looks for a caregiver. So if he's tapped into that role. I just have questions in why she looks at him, is that like, oh, he's the guy I need to do. That's easy to do, to position yourself that way when you have a child who has no one else and you live in a scary. But he's running these experiments that scares her. But she's a child so he could still tap into that side of her that needs to be loved and then he can manipulate her. Right, we just don't see it, I think is my point. But that's the sense I got right out of the gate, is that he's manipulating her. Clearly. He definitely is. He definitely is. I agree there. I just think, okay, but I need you to show me a little bit of emotion. That way I have reason to believe that when she's going through trauma, that's the guy she's running to. No, no, no. Papa. Papa. Yeah, I guess so. We haven't seen why she would even care. Also,
00:42:19
Speaker
I don't know why it is so jarring for me seeing, again, this has nothing to do with the story, but seeing Matthew Modine, that's the guy who plays Papa. yeah I like him as an actor. Seeing him with just look like, I don't know if he's supposed to be old. I don't know how old he even really was when this was being shot, but there's something jarring about seeing him with a full head of gray hair. I don't know why that is. And so every time he comes on, I'm like,
00:42:50
Speaker
Okay, is he an old dude or is he just a guy with gray hair? I don't know why. That's just my personal jar. I don't know. Every time he's on screen. But at this point you've gotten used to it. It's like when someone starts wearing glasses and you're like, I guess they just wear glasses now. By day two, you just kind of roll with it. I don't know.
00:43:11
Speaker
He's a very striking looking person anyway. Yeah. What does that mean? No, what are you agreeing with that? What does that mean? Yeah, striking. I need you to break that down. What is striking? Someone looks striking. His facial structure is... Yeah, it's very... And he's kind of tall and lanky and... It's just very noteworthy. It's just somebody whose features, like, they just stand out. It's not a face you forget. Right. It's just striking. Like jarring. No. No, because if I had said someone had striking features, I would mean that in a complimentary way.
00:43:39
Speaker
But jarring would be a negative. Jaring would be more negative, yeah. If you're okay a striking looking individual, I would mean that. Striking, would that imply power? Like confidence. A presence, perhaps a presence. Or is it just physical appearance? I think it's really more physical appearance. Yeah, they just stand out. So he has a good jawline. Yeah, his features are very prominent. Yes. Good or bad, is I think striking can be good or bad for me.
00:44:06
Speaker
Yeah, I would only use striking in like a complimentary sense. I don't know that I would use it for somebody that I thought was... Scott, you're very striking. Fuggly. To me, he just looks remarkably average.
00:44:18
Speaker
I just can't. am i Am I going to trademark that? Yes. Remarkably average. Aggressively mediocre is another one I like. Moving on from looks. I understand we have a diary entry from Mr. Hopper. That is crazy. Thanks for asking, Scott. Yeah. Can I say one quick pop culture thing before we jump into this? Sure. Because I'm a little sad and I just need you guys to hold some space for me in this moment. Oh, gosh. Because I'm a woman. I'm glad you referenced that. I'm not. Go ahead.
00:44:47
Speaker
Um, what's the actor's name who plays Hopper? I can't even think of it right now. He and his wife, Lily Allen, who's a singer that I used to really enjoy. I don't really listen to her music like lately, but they' they got a divorce and I'm like, oh man, Hopper's heartbroken right now. Here's your chance.
00:45:06
Speaker
i You can fix him. Anybody's... Fix him. We're gonna get a trash can, we're gonna clean up the beer cans. Yeah, no, I just thought that I was like, oh, dang, because I remember when they got married, I thought, oh, okay, fair enough. But anyway, that's it. I just... Wow. Bummer. That's tough. You might not like him after this diary interview because I had... So I had mentioned the National Archives have been sending me... Yeah, I don't know why they choose me. So here's a really good one. You know, people like me.
00:45:37
Speaker
He starts off with a Dear Diary. I think he started off the other ones the same way. Yeah, it doesn't sound like him. Hopman here, so he's he's sticking with that. Consistent. He's Hopman. Still no signs of Wes, or Bill, or Will, or was it Wes? He's not invested as much as we're seeing on screen. like He doesn't even know Will's name. Apathy. Wow.
00:46:05
Speaker
ah Joyce has lost her mind, so my chances of hooking up with her are diminishing. or increase I'm telling you, Shawna, he's not the dude you think he is. Yeah, I don't like this so far. ah Speaking of hooking up. what Before, I want to make sure this diary entry is accurate. What was the library's name? I don't know her name. Speaking of hooking up, I showed Marissa, I think her name was Marissa.
00:46:34
Speaker
I showed my rest of the librarian how to quote Dewey my decimal system, unquote.
00:46:43
Speaker
ah We came up with these rules so we can do that. He did that in quotes, but still just be friends. ah The first rule is no calls the next day. So she has no reason to be mad the next time I'm at the library. He's a dog. Now he's a dog. No, No, no, no. He's a teddy bear. He's not like that. She has no reason to be mad the next time I'm at the library to look at her quote fiction section. um can i can i Can I take a guess at what the other rule is? Sleepovers are optional. Oh, I'm going to write that down. He didn't put more rules. That sounds like a good one. It sounds like you're getting greedy with that though.
00:47:23
Speaker
I mean, if there's anything I know, they want you to sleep over. That's not in the diary. That's from my diary. All right, moving on. This came out of left field. I don't know where. Watched the Wizard of Oz. That last part came out of left field. It sure did. He's not a good guy. Watched Wizard of Oz again last night. I swear that movie is great. Had a great idea though.
00:47:49
Speaker
I should try this someday. What if someone explored those characters origin stories? That would probably be the best story ever written in the history of stories. I'll talk to Marissa about it. Hop out. Yeah, we're gonna have to, I'm gonna have to talk to the National Archives about maybe they can send those diaries my way. I mean, it's history. I'm gonna say Marissa doesn't owe him that conversation. Yeah, but I just think maybe they should send them my way.
00:48:19
Speaker
And it's also funny that he'd remember the librarian's name, but not the child that he's looking for. He can't remember the details from the case he found. I'm telling you, so that's crazy. I mean, Sean, still, if you're into it, you're into it, but, you know, he's... That's actually bizarre because one of my notes that I just didn't mention was when they pull you know Will out of the water and he runs up and he's like, that's not the kid, is
Discovery of Will's Body: Real or Fake?
00:48:46
Speaker
it? And he has this look on his face. like You can feel like his heart sank a little bit. hes Yeah. And I was like, oh, the kids can cry. That's one thing. But his reaction to it was a little bit like- Ominous. Oh, I let them down. like I was supposed to find that kid.
00:49:05
Speaker
But that didn't sound like the same guy that gave you that diary. That's okay, but that's what I thought about his character. He didn't mention that he didn't mention that we did find a body that seems to be the kids. I don't know if that was the day before. I don't know. oh okay that's Speaking of the body though, like we don't really think it's Will, right? I mean, it's game over now. It was wearing his clothes. Not buying it. There's a plot twist. I don't remember. Who's Joyce talking to?
00:49:37
Speaker
the Demogorgon. It must be Wes. He's missing too. It's Barb. She's like, come on, someone think of me. God, no one literally no one cared. No one knows. That's how that hashtag got started. Justice for Barb. Because the first time around, everyone picked up on that. They were like, nobody cares about Barb. It's the fact that once they do find out, it's very short-lived. But right now, no one knows but Nancy. And it's like, okay, Nancy, you have a huge responsibility right now. No one knows that Barb is missing except for you. And you're kind of sitting on it because of the whole, like, I could get in trouble.
00:50:15
Speaker
And she's distracted. Does Steve like me? Does he not like me? Right. Like, wait a minute. No. earth o But also, who's really thinking about Barb that much? and I mean, let's be real. But see, that's the thing. Wow. I mean, ain't nobody thinking about Barb, except for Nancy. Barb was classic. That's something Steve was like. was like, no, she was coming over to stay with you. Oh, yeah, no. No, I meant this morning.
00:50:40
Speaker
Some textbooks. I couldn't stand that she used the word textbooks. She's a dork. That's what she's gonna do. Also, shout out to payphones. I have used a payphone in my day. And and it was just yeah so neat like to think, yeah, that's maybe we talked about this before, but it was just so cool to walk up to a thing. We went to the beach one time and I had to call home. I was little.
00:51:07
Speaker
And it was like, oh, yeah, you put some money in there and you decided to eat. But you also had numbers memorized. I was just about to ask, did you carry a... You had to memorize. No, you had to memorize. I remember my home phone number right now. I remember my home phone number from when I was a kid. You had your parents, you had your home phone number memorized. I don't believe you. Go ahead. What was it?
00:51:27
Speaker
Mine was 7, 5, 7, 5, 6, 2, 6, 0, 1, 5. 7, 7, 0, 7, 7, 2, 9, 7, 8, 7. What are we doing? What are we doing? I'm not going to be able to verify that. I'm not going to be able to verify that. I'm on the toilet now and just see who picks up. No, let's not call it. No, let's not call it. Oh, I'm fixing to call the Hope Well House. Okay. Well, I think that's it.
Episode Wrap-up & 80s Reflection
00:51:51
Speaker
We've read the diary. We took a lot of notes.
00:51:55
Speaker
We will be back for episode four. We're starting to get into the thick of it. Oh, things are happening. Joyce is talking to someone through the lights, but they just found Will's body. So also Mike reminded us that he's the main character and that we need to be paying attention to him.
00:52:11
Speaker
And we know Hopman's hooking up with the lever and Hopman is... Yeah, he broke my heart a little. He's not hooking up. He hooked up once. Who says it's not ongoing? What do you mean? He walked in and she started drilling him. That's a front. His bros were there. He can't make it look like he's in love. No, he didn't. She was drilling him. She's like, whoa, bold of you to show up after not calling me back.
00:52:38
Speaker
I mean, he's got to lead her along. He can't, you know, he's not in love. The love, he's in love. Yeah, but that's her saying, okay, obviously we're not hooking up because you're not even calling me back. She cannot resist that. Trust.
00:52:53
Speaker
It's in his diary. Come on now. They got rules. Yeah, I don't know his diary. I think that's bold in a small town like that too. How are you going to skirt somebody if you don't call someone back, but there's all of like 500 people total. How long did you think you were going to dodge her? what you die into that day you know Hey, sorry. Just You're going to run into her again. It's not like you're in the metro Atlanta area and you're never going to see this person again. You're going to have to you know do some investigating and you need to go to the library. Because back in the 80s, libraries mattered. Now, they're just kind of empty rooms with computers. Stop. Wow. That's terrible. and I'm not even a library. I love the library. I love going in a library. I love a library. It's free books. If I'm looking for a title and I don't want to pay 20 bucks,
00:53:43
Speaker
i can For sure. I like just going in there, sit down and be quiet. and There's an ambiance. There's an ambiance. The third floor was the silent one. No, that was fourth. I wouldn't go there. But the third was pretty quiet. I went up to the fourth once just to like, you know, what's this all about? Should I make a noise? And I didn't know what to do. I kind of just walked around.
00:54:06
Speaker
Libraries are like the comfort food of locations. Yes. We're getting we getting off time. I was trying to wrap this up. All right. Thank you everybody for tuning in. We'll be back for episode four of Stranger Things for Sean Fretwell and Charlie Harcum. All right. I am Scott Feltz. Thank you.