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EPISODE 35 -Who is making the Patriots roster? Surprise cuts? trades?
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Introduction and Overview
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Savage Boston
All right, what's up guys? Welcome back to the Savage Boston podcast. It is 527 May 27th. We're here at around 830 at night recording try to do this every Tuesday and make it weekly weekly Patriots content Boston sports content here
Guest Introduction: Pats Pro
00:00:16
Savage Boston
tonight. We got a last minute sub for our guy friend of the pod Pats Pro.
00:00:22
Savage Boston
What's going on Pats Pro? How you doing?
00:00:24
PatsPro
I'm doing well. Thank you for having me. You're bringing in the heavy hitters and that's what we appreciate about you.
00:00:28
Savage Boston
You know, we always shoot for the for the top top of the line guests. And that's why we brought in Pat's Pro, who does us an incredible solid of of helping us out and jumping on when Snooty
00:00:37
Bret
Thank you.
Media OTA Day Excitement
00:00:40
Savage Boston
couldn't make it today.
00:00:40
Savage Boston
So we greatly appreciate that.
00:00:42
PatsPro
Absolutely, brother. My pleasure.
00:00:43
Savage Boston
um Yeah, and and with Brett as well here, per usual. so ah um So yeah, we just want to dive in. We got you know a big media OTA day will be tomorrow, which um I'm excited for because obviously it's like we're in we're in the desert, man. People are dying for for anything, any news, especially since...
00:01:03
Savage Boston
You know, the Celtics are out, the Red Sox and Red Sox Twitter people are imploding, you know, which is that it is what it is. Like I'll pay attention to the Sox now, but you know, we know deep down, you know, I'm, I'm waiting for training camp obviously. um And I'm excited that the media is going to have access tomorrow.
Patriots Wide Receiver Speculation
00:01:21
Savage Boston
And obviously hopefully we don't have another weird um kind of Drake may a mild panic mode for those interceptions, which was an odd, uh,
00:01:31
Savage Boston
Just an odd early May freak out um for the media. So that was weird. But um what I want to kick off with today, just kind of an initial take, initial question, where people have been ah shooting the shit about a while recently is is who's going to make the roster at wide receiver?
00:01:48
Savage Boston
um This has been kind of a huge topic. We've had, you know, basically you're looking to up and down the list, right? um There are just way too many guys on the roster in that room that can even be close to sniffing the 53 man.
00:02:02
Savage Boston
Not even close. um In my opinion, I tweeted this the other day. i think there's four roster locks, like locks, locks week one.
00:02:06
Bret
Thank you.
00:02:11
Savage Boston
um I think Stefan Diggs, obviously, and he's going to, I think, play week one. um Matt Collins, I think, is a lock. I really do. i think Kyle Williams is obviously is a lock and pop Douglas is a lock, right? That's four guys out of typically they're going to carry six. So you got the rest of the group to try to make two slots. So I'll throw it a paths pro first.
00:02:33
Savage Boston
Give me kind of your initial take. Like who do you think is actually making this roster, making the 53 man at wide receiver?
00:02:40
PatsPro
Yeah, so I mean, I'm just
Debating Trades and Cuts
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PatsPro
going to steal your take initially. It's Diggs, Hollins.
00:02:42
Bret
Thank you.
00:02:44
PatsPro
ah Oh God, already lost my train of thought. Diggs, Hollins, Pop, and Kyle Williams.
00:02:50
Savage Boston
Kyle Williams.
00:02:52
PatsPro
ah How could I forget my guy, Kyle Williams? So like, it it it after that, it's a crapshoot. I mean, if we're going off of the sixth wide receiver model, I think it's Kayshaun Booty and Kendrick Bourne.
00:03:08
PatsPro
um I was talking about this on my podcast. Check out the podcast. ah There's a lot of plurality of their skill sets. And I mean, my take was, let's say Stefan Diggs starts on the pup, which I think is a decent possibility, even though the Twitter hype is real for week one.
00:03:27
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:03:27
PatsPro
I think Jalen Polk sneaks onto that ah roster just because he's a second round pick from last year. But I could honestly see him being cut and, you know, maybe picked up by another team or just getting to the practice squad. He hasn't it exactly, you know, shown that he's ready to be ah a number, even a number three wide receiver.
00:03:46
PatsPro
So I think if you ask me day one, Stefan Diggs starts on the pup. It's, uh, but got it, mental block, Williams, Hollins, Douglas, and like a Kayshawn Booty, Kendrick Bourne, and Jalen Polk.
00:04:04
Savage Boston
Got you. Brett, what do you think?
00:04:07
Bret
Well, I mean, i
Rebuilding Process Discussion
00:04:08
Bret
i think it's going to be interesting. I'm in the camp of thinking Diggs is going to start active week one, not on the POP. i also I also think there's a chance that
00:04:15
Savage Boston
I do too.
00:04:18
Bret
you know Who knows? It's really early on. Someone could end up there um through offseason and where that goes. I would say one thing I look at is they're probably... i mean, it's already been reported they're shopping Booty. They've been shopping him for like a year now, so I think they're going to still try to shop Booty.
00:04:35
Bret
i think they'd probably still I think they probably Bourne. And those two guys, I think they look to shop and see if they can get at least one of them traded. ah Because I just don't see them wanting to just cut it and take some dead money on the cap, especially with Bourne's contract. I mean, I think they'd save some money, but like I just think those two guys are looking to trade.
00:04:56
Bret
Obviously, Chisholm's the guy that's going to have some hype ah this offseason, and people are going to like seeing him on the camp. So he might be that guy that... ah Well, he might be that guy that kind of gives Jalen Polk a run. So I think if he produces, he might take Polk's spot.
00:05:14
Bret
Otherwise, I think it goes Polk. And I think Baker's gone. i just don't see and don't see how it's going to go a Baker. And then, yeah, I agree with your top four. So I think those come into play. I think they're trying to trade Borner Booty and get some assets back.
00:05:29
Bret
ah Really not even trading for salary purposes, but they need
Training Camp Favorites
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Bret
assets. And then like they kind of go with the other one. So I think Chisholm Polk is going be the one that I'm thinking is going to be fighting for that sixth spot. And then whoever stays out of the Keishon booty, Kendrick Bourne is going to stay.
00:05:45
Bret
I think one of them is going stay.
00:05:46
PatsPro
How could forget the great white hope Efton Chisholm? What's the matter with me?
00:05:51
Savage Boston
Chism is getting hyped. not just like We know he's going to be a training camp favorite. Everybody knows that. Gritty white guy. like it's ah It's a guarantee he's going be a favorite in that crowd.
00:06:02
Savage Boston
We said this from day one. and I guess he's like really shifty. And they're saying like, i don't know he could really appeal to Josh McDaniels for real. Not even just just saying because he's a ah gritty white guy in the slot.
00:06:14
Savage Boston
He might truly appeal to McDaniels, but they do have Pop Douglas to fill that role. Right. So, um but I mean, if you're, if you're going with, you know, saying that Bourne and Booty make the roster, right.
00:06:25
Savage Boston
That still leaves you straight away with Polk, Baker and Chisholm all get caught or like Chisholm is practice squad guy, Polk and Baker get caught. You know, like there's, there's, there's like, there are way too many guys in the room.
00:06:36
Bret
Well, I think, like I said, I think it's either Bourne or Booty, and the other one gets traded.
00:06:36
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:06:41
Bret
I think one of them is going to happen.
00:06:41
PatsPro
you
00:06:42
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:06:42
Bret
And and I see Chisholm. he's He's that special team slash redshirt guy that's going to sneak on the roster just to kind of see what you got with him. um So I see him making the roster.
Evaluating Jalen Polk
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Bret
And I see him more in special teams role early on, and then they see what he can come with. Like I said, to me, Baker, I think, is a cut. I think he's not going to make the team. um
00:07:04
Savage Boston
yeah
00:07:04
Bret
I know they've got a couple other guys that are just kind of scrubs, so they're not going to make the team. um Yeah, so i we'll see where it goes. But I think either Bourne or Booty, one of them is going to stay. The other one is traded. Baker's cut. And then I think it's going to be Polk and Chisholm and battling in the camp.
00:07:21
PatsPro
A misconception I think that people have, and not to step on you here, Savage, but a misconception I think that people have is this is a fully rebuilding team.
00:07:24
Savage Boston
No, get over.
00:07:29
PatsPro
This isn't your your Patriots of old where you know you have most of your starters and then you have the guys who they get the Foxborough flu and get the redshirt year on the practice squad and, hey, we you know we'll develop and we'll see what we have.
00:07:41
PatsPro
if you're a better player, you're on this team. It's just as simple as that. there There are so many scrubs, so many people who don't belong in the league or are not worthy of their draft status.
00:07:52
PatsPro
It's a clean slate. Good luck. Make sure you're out there doing your best. the best man will play. And I, I, I know we said that last year with Gerard Mayo and that ended up not being true. And I think that was partly because they were essentially coaching and playing for their jobs. And I think they knew it, but I think this year they're trying to instill a culture to trying to build something.
00:08:14
PatsPro
And I think in building something, they're going to figure out who their best guys are and go with that and not screw around.
00:08:19
Savage Boston
think honestly, like we've got to
Drafting and Developing Talent
00:08:21
Savage Boston
remember with Jalen Polk though, like Polk was good last year in training camp. i mean, is what you got to remember. And Baker flashed too, but like Baker started not being able to line up correctly.
00:08:31
Savage Boston
But like Jalen Polk flashed in camp. He was really consistent, really smooth. And hearing already from OTAs, he again, kind of looking smooth.
00:08:37
Bret
Thank you.
00:08:40
Savage Boston
Looks like a decent catcher. So like I would just say don't underestimate how yeah Jalen Polk looked. And what percentage of his failure last year was like the yips basically was like mental. Cause like he, he started falling apart, man.
00:08:55
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:08:55
Savage Boston
And like, he's got to have some ability. I don't think he's just useless. Like he has to have some ability. So think he's an easy guy for us to be like, yeah, yeah, we can cut him. But like, If it wasn't Mike Vrabel in a full new regime, I would say no way they're giving up on a second round draft pick in year two.
00:09:12
Savage Boston
I would say never. But this year, for real, like if he doesn't show up in camp, like all these dudes have to show up in camp and they have to show out. There's way too much competition and nobody's safe.
00:09:23
Savage Boston
I even heard our our guy, Andrew Callahan, who i like Andrew a lot. He mentioned on the radio, he's like, he said this is not to be aggregated. ah So did not aggregate it. But he's like, there's a small ah percentage chance.
00:09:32
PatsPro
just like
00:09:34
Savage Boston
He thinks even like maybe Pop Douglas is on the trade block. which I thought was kind of like an interesting take and like a very small percentage, but he basically kind of put out there like some guys are on the block, like Bourne, Booty, maybe Pop.
00:09:47
Savage Boston
Like, I don't know, like some some moves are going to happen.
00:09:48
Bret
Thank you.
00:09:50
Savage Boston
Guys are going to get cut. ah Guys are going to get moved that you don't expect because they have too many wide receiver fours and not enough wide receiver twos, you know? So I don't know. I mean, how do you do you think there's any real possibility even Pop Douglas could move?
00:10:06
PatsPro
ah So, I'll give you a little bit of inside baseball. I did ask my guy about this um about a week ago, just because i'm I'm trying to pry anything I can out of him, and he doesn't have much because they are
Offensive Line Concerns
00:10:18
PatsPro
locked down airtight over there.
00:10:20
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:10:20
PatsPro
um He said that... Pop is a favorite in the room so far from what he's heard.
00:10:25
Bret
So,
00:10:28
PatsPro
Having said that, with this regime, yeah um all bets are off. There's no, nobody's safe. There's no, you know, definite guys other than like, you know, Drake May, Will Campbell and Christian Gonzalez.
00:10:40
PatsPro
Like it everybody is fighting for their job.
00:10:40
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:10:42
PatsPro
So it wouldn't. It wouldn't surprise me to see Pop go, but I'm not. i I think there's a better chance that, you know, Booty, Bourne get traded rather than Pop. And, you know, just to and off on a tangent, you know, going back to last year, I seem to remember some sort of news aggregator on Twitter was really excited about the rookie tandem.
00:11:05
PatsPro
but guy You know, I just said he never saw it coming. None of us did.
00:11:09
Savage Boston
Yeah, that was I got to make fun of myself somewhat. if i If I can't make fun of myself, then who can you make fun of?
00:11:16
PatsPro
Exactly.
00:11:16
Savage Boston
But like obviously, right alluding to it the other day, I made fun of myself because ah you full year ago, I was like, oh man, ah Baker and Polk, can't wait. They're going to be incredible. Oh man, I'm so psyched.
00:11:27
Savage Boston
We got some some really great receivers. First time in a while, I'm i'm psyched. And
00:11:31
PatsPro
This is the most excited I've been for a rookie wide receiver in so long.
00:11:35
Savage Boston
Yeah. i said, since Terry Glenn, which is me being hyperbolic.
00:11:37
PatsPro
Yes. Oh, God.
00:11:38
Savage Boston
Um, yeah, that's me being a clown. Uh, but yeah, so I mean, i was excited. I'm excited this year. Like I don't want to go off too much on like Kyle Williams, but I think Kyle Williams is going to really great wide receiver.
00:11:52
Savage Boston
I obviously, maybe I'm like Bill Belichick and I just don't know how to assess good wide receivers in the draft. Maybe I'm like that, but I think Kyle Williams is going to be a really great player.
00:12:02
PatsPro
I am full-blown six to midnight on Kyle Williams.
00:12:02
Savage Boston
Um,
00:12:05
PatsPro
I know everyone knows that this is coming as a shock.
00:12:05
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:12:08
PatsPro
And the reason I am is a shout-out to Dan Rotman at Scout in NFL. ah He has put out a really good assessment of him. I'd highly recommend you guys go ah check it out. But the his assessment of Kyle Williams is – mean, he's – He's Stefan Diggs light.
00:12:26
PatsPro
i I'm just going to say it right now.
00:12:26
Bret
Okay.
00:12:27
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:12:27
PatsPro
The way he moves is special. the The way he can get open both laterally and vertically, it's special. Not a lot of people can do that in the NFL.
00:12:35
Savage Boston
Well, what I like, what I've heard about Kyle Williams too off the bat is that he's he's mostly already lining up at primarily X, straight at X receiver.
00:12:42
PatsPro
Yes.
00:12:44
Savage Boston
Like he's not slot, he's not off ball, other side. Like he's just been at the X, prime X. And that would be awesome because that would also free up Diggs to play flanker, to play slot, wherever you want to line Diggs up.
00:12:58
Savage Boston
Because I think half the time last year, Diggs wasn't at X, he was at like slot.
00:12:59
Bret
Thank you.
00:13:01
PatsPro
He did a lot of damage in the slot for the Texans last year.
00:13:03
Savage Boston
And I mean, Diggs in the slot, like he's an elite, elite route runner. And I think, you know, he's, he's such a twitchy guy. You can even see in his rehab videos um that like, that would be, good that would be great. It would be great to have a real ex. And even though he's not DK Metcalf, your guy, um like he's still,
Running Back Position Analysis
00:13:20
Savage Boston
he's not massive, but like if he's a true ex, you got to be incredibly psyched about that draft pick. That's all I got to say.
00:13:26
PatsPro
Don't you hurt me with DK Metcalf, you son of a gun.
00:13:29
Savage Boston
Yeah, TK. You really thought that was that was happening.
00:13:32
PatsPro
ah Listen, from what I was told, they were aggressively negotiating, and then all of a sudden they got the news from DK that, hey, I ain't coming.
00:13:32
Savage Boston
That was like, you were Yeah, that
00:13:42
PatsPro
And that shut shit down quick.
00:13:42
Savage Boston
sucks.
00:13:45
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:46
Bret
Well, that's just it. When the guy is basically like, I'm not coming, well, deal's off, so that's not going to happen.
00:13:49
PatsPro
Yeah, there's no reason.
00:13:50
Savage Boston
Yeah. Like, what can you do?
00:13:51
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:13:52
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:13:52
Bret
But...
00:13:53
PatsPro
We could have traded you know our second round for him, and then he just you know leaves the next year. That doesn't make sense.
00:13:58
Bret
Yeah, and...
00:13:59
Savage Boston
Yeah, no, they have to have it in place, you know?
00:14:01
Bret
I was the guy that was advocating it this offseason, and I was i was actually the anti-Diggs guy, and I was saying, go get DK. And to me, i'm the guy that was like, trade your second. I think there's so much overvaluing of these draft picks at times that when you look at it and say you have a proven NFL caliber elite wide receiver,
00:14:22
Bret
go get him because you could fuck up and get Jalen Polk, you know? So go get your guy. And I just think you do it, especially in the cap situation we were in where money was not a factor.
00:14:33
Bret
But obviously when the guy says, yeah, I don't want play in New England. Well then that's the factor.
00:14:39
Savage Boston
See you later.
00:14:39
PatsPro
Yeah, it's another matter.
00:14:40
Savage Boston
Well, we get, dude, we get, we get so caught up in the draft because we get in this draft storm. That's all about, everything's about draft capital. Everything's about prepping draft season, like hitting the right guy, because we know from the, from the,
00:14:53
Savage Boston
from the past now that like drafting and developing talent really is almost
Player Role Strategy
00:14:57
Savage Boston
the only way to really win. I mean, sure you can sell out or, or you can miss if you have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick, but most teams have to draft well to build the roster. And so like this draft this year that we just went through, everyone's high on it. Everyone loves it. I love it.
00:15:12
Savage Boston
I hope we're right. Like I hope Braden Swinson doesn't just become, I don't know, Chase Winovich. I hope, or, or Uche.
00:15:20
Bret
Thank you.
00:15:20
Savage Boston
Like I hope, ah Farmer develops into a really great D tackle. you know Kyla Williams develops. hey Henderson is ah is a massive hit. right All these guys we hope develop and play well because if they don't, you see the consequence, which is like our drafts have been so poor for for such a long period of time. you know You obviously can see the consequence of poor drafting.
00:15:44
Savage Boston
So that that's kind of my that's my fear obviously. Yeah. um I just want to look look at basically, i want to look at the left guard position for a minute. I know, again, this is like maybe deep cut, whatever.
00:15:55
Savage Boston
I just, at the left guard position, um could they have done a better job getting ah getting a veteran left left guard in there to play with Will Campbell.
00:16:07
Savage Boston
And why weren't they more in on? The name I keep circling back to is Joe Tooney. And I get all the arguments. It was like, oh we didn't want the vet.
00:16:15
Bret
Thank you.
00:16:18
Savage Boston
It's a new regime. It's a this, it's a that. They should have been in on Tooney for like a future fourth rounder, like a 2026 fourth. They should have been in on him. They could have paid him.
00:16:28
Savage Boston
and he could have anchored your left guard next to Will Campbell. like Think about how you would feel about the old line right now if you had Joe Tooney at left guard. So what's your guys' thoughts on on the the line situation at left guard and center?
00:16:42
PatsPro
Brett, I'll let you take this.
00:16:44
Bret
Well, ah they were looking at Cole Strange, which is why they didn't go get another guy there. And look, I know Cole Strange was definitely, ah ah i don't know, i would say reach at the time, right?
00:16:58
Bret
None of us looked at that pick and were like, well, that was a great pick.
00:17:01
Savage Boston
Not a good
Final Thoughts and Expectations
00:17:02
Savage Boston
pick.
00:17:02
Bret
No. But he was a serviceable left guard. i think like injuries have definitely plagued him a bit, but... I don't know. i'm um I'm in that kind of – I'm not going to say he's going to be solid. Snooty would definitely back the Cole Strange argument. he He plays into that one more so than I think he probably should. But they were looking it and saying this is what we want to do. We want to try to get the young guy up and see what we can do with it.
00:17:28
Bret
um I also look at it, I'm like there's some age on that line ah that you're going to anticipate some injuries are going to happen. So I could have seen them getting toony and then using Strange as a depth piece because i mean we lost Strange last year and you know we didn't have a whole lot of depth. So I don't think it would have hurt, but I just think they were primarily focused on other aspects on the line that I think that was probably – Left guard, right guard were probably one of our quote-unquote stronger areas that we were least concerned with, so they didn't prioritize it as much, and that's why they kind of just kind of punted on that spot and went for other areas.
00:18:09
PatsPro
So to me, I think that it might be a bit of a sunk cost fallacy yeah it in terms of like the front office's thinking at left guard on Tooney.
00:18:18
Savage Boston
but On Toonie?
00:18:20
PatsPro
So like ah specifically on the guys that they had already drafted. I mean, hell they've how many guards have they drafted in the last three years? You know, the they've they've dread they've put in significant assets into that position specifically to try to share it up.
00:18:27
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:18:36
PatsPro
Yes, we could trade for Joe Tooney, but also there's a a second piece of this, which is he was a Bill Belichick guy in the past. And if we've seen anything, you know, guys like David Andrews, Jonathan Jones, Dietrich Wise, anybody who was remotely Belichick, I mean, Joe Cardona, ah remotely a Bill Belichick guy out of the building.
00:18:55
PatsPro
we we don't
00:18:55
Savage Boston
Mm-hmm.
00:18:56
PatsPro
We don't need, we don't, it's not that we don't need, we don't want your... ah your opinion and leadership. We don't want any dissenting voices. Not to say that those guys would have been dissenting voices, but it's clearly been their intention to cleanse the building of the old regime.
00:19:14
PatsPro
Joe Tooney would have been part of that old regime as much of a help as he would have been. yeah i think it's twofold. I think it's the amount of draft capital that they've invested to shore up the position. Somebody's got to work under competent coaching.
00:19:27
PatsPro
They haven't exactly had good O-line coaching in the past three years during those periods. And it's the the complete, you know, wholesale cleansing of the Belichick ideology from the building.
00:19:40
Bret
He's also old.
00:19:40
Savage Boston
I get it.
00:19:42
PatsPro
Yeah, he's also old as shit.
00:19:43
Savage Boston
ah He's still a solid player. mean, a guard, you can play a little longer. I mean, Morgan Moses is 34 at right tackle. It's just more like yeah i get a little nervous about – but he –
00:19:51
Bret
Yeah, but that's... That's tackle, though.
00:19:55
Savage Boston
Yeah, yeah you could be you shouldn't you should you have to be more athletic at tackle than guard. I would expect a guard to have to be able to be older than a tackle. But I'm just saying like there's inexperience on the inside. You have a rookie, Will Campbell, left tackle, who you'd like to have a really solid anchor next to him. Instead, they got fucking Cole Strange, who you don't know what he's going to be.
00:20:16
Savage Boston
You don't know. He's been so injury-prone. And a mediocre player when he does play. We thought he might be at center. Now they're going to shift him out to left guard. And you got Garrett Bradbury at center, who was one of the worst pass-blocking centers last year in football.
00:20:25
Bret
you
00:20:31
Savage Boston
So that should make people at least a little bit nervous about what the line's going to do. Like, like you still have the whole goal is you have to protect Drake May. That's the whole fucking point. you got to have Drake may develop. You got, you got the right guys. You got the right coaches. You got some better weapons, but I know that they were in on the left guard position in free agency.
00:20:52
Savage Boston
I know they were in on at least two guys and, but they just couldn't either seal it or they didn't want to pay him as much as other teams did. Um, but, You would really like, maybe there's still someone out there to add, but you would just really like to see a little bit more ah from that role. That's all I'm saying. You need more experience there on the interior line.
00:21:15
PatsPro
I think something that can't be discounted either is the Leighton Robinson of it. um There were a couple of games where Leighton Robinson really looked like he knew what he was doing, really really looked to be competent.
00:21:26
PatsPro
I think that we're focusing too much on Cole Strange, and we should be focusing on Leighton Robinson personally. I think you put Layden Robinson with some better coaching ah next to Garrett Bradbury or who's a Jared Wilson. They just drafted.
00:21:42
PatsPro
I think he might, you know, win out as the, the gear goes on ah compared to Bradbury as well. But I think you ended the year. I think your best line truthfully is Will Campbell on the left side, ah Will Campbell, Layden Robinson, Jared Wilson.
00:21:57
Bret
Thank you.
00:21:58
PatsPro
I think,
00:21:58
Savage Boston
Can I pass, bro? Can I read you some, do you like PFF at all?
00:22:02
PatsPro
um I mean, I'm kind of with Alex Barth on this. They're fucking nerds, but their information is worthwhile, so go ahead.
00:22:10
Savage Boston
Like there's nobody else. I guess there's no other grading system that anyone has access to.
00:22:13
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:22:15
Savage Boston
Like, you know, Layden Robinson last year. You ready for some Layden Robinson hits?
00:22:19
PatsPro
Oh, boy.
00:22:21
Savage Boston
So overall grade 24.
00:22:24
PatsPro
Ooh!
00:22:24
Savage Boston
Out of qualified guards, 129th out 136. Pass grade, 41. That's 106 out of 136.
00:22:29
PatsPro
Ooh!
00:22:30
Savage Boston
grade have a bunch snaps. had 602 snaps. it's not like he didn't play. So good.
00:22:38
Savage Boston
and he did have a bunch of snaps he had six hundred and two snaps so it's not like he didn't play so not good
00:22:45
PatsPro
No.
00:22:45
Savage Boston
Not good. I mean, and even don't, not to be outdone, um just before anyone throws out this name, let's just briefly look up city. So on PFF, okay.
00:22:54
PatsPro
Oh, God, don't do it.
00:22:55
Savage Boston
Jesus Christ. I didn't even know this. Do you want to know people? I'm going to go fucking crazy on Twitter. At some point it's going to make me crazy about these people throwing shit up. People are talking about fucking city. So do you know what city? So his overall grade was,
00:23:08
PatsPro
Shoot.
00:23:09
Savage Boston
He got a 29, which 136 qualified guards. run block grade was 44.9, which is 130 out of 136. His block was 17, 128 out 136. That is not close to being played. mean, had 155 snaps, understand. That's even close being playable. out of one thirty six his passport grade was a seventeen one twenty eight out of one thirty six that is not even close to being i mean he only at a hundred and fifty five snaps i understand that's not even close to being playable Not even playable.
00:23:37
Savage Boston
so this is And I got people on Twitter who like, what happened to City So, man? like These guys became unplayable. This is why the date the last year was horrible at the O-line. It was one of the worst O-lines I've ever seen.
00:23:52
Savage Boston
So that's all I'm saying. I think Colestrange can be better than those guys. I absolutely hope so. But um but that's that's some ugly stuff. So I don't know if you guys have anything to add to that.
00:24:04
PatsPro
I will just...
00:24:04
Bret
Well, I just think, i would just say, you're yeah to be fair, you're kind of nitpicking through. when you're when If left guard is our weakest spot, then Elliott Wolfe, fucking home run offseason, buddy.
00:24:14
Savage Boston
Hey, it's May.
00:24:19
Bret
Great job.
00:24:19
Savage Boston
It's May. It's May. on 27th.
00:24:21
Bret
great
00:24:21
Savage Boston
got months to go.
00:24:22
Bret
Great job. Like, well...
00:24:23
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:24:26
Bret
Yeah, you ah honestly, i if I was going to go next position on the offense where I think it's kind of questioning what's going on there, that I'm more interested in right along up with wide receivers the running back room.
00:24:39
Bret
You know, what's going on with Mondray?
00:24:40
Savage Boston
yeah
00:24:41
Bret
What's going on Gibson? Like, a lot of good um news coming out about Henderson and what he's doing, but, like... that I mean, they got that guy, Trayvon Williams, who's given some reps. Like, i don't know. I'd be curious to see what goes on there because, like, a lot of people were on Mondray last year and like, really last couple of years. Just lot of fumbles, not really workhorse.
00:25:03
Bret
He's not all that versatile. So you look at it and say, what's going to happen in the right running back room? Because you need weapons, right? We talk about this. You need weapons on that offense.
00:25:14
Bret
So what are you guys' thoughts on the running back room and and what they're doing there?
00:25:18
Savage Boston
i mean How many guys are they going to carry, do you think, at the running back room? Just straight running back. Three? Four? like How many guys do are they going to carry? Pass pro. Do you have any idea?
00:25:27
PatsPro
I'm going to say that i it's usually four for them, right? So I think this year it's going to be... God, it's Mondray, it's Travion Henderson.
00:25:38
PatsPro
i don't think Antonio Gibson makes this team. I think he i think he gets cut.
00:25:42
Savage Boston
Or trade it or something.
00:25:43
PatsPro
Or traded something. And then you have Travion Williams. And then that ah that bull wrestling guy. I can't remember his name. Lan Larrison.
00:25:50
Savage Boston
Lamb Larson.
00:25:51
PatsPro
I think you have Lan Larrison. He's kind of the Rex Burkhead, do-everything type of back. But i if you look at the way Mike Vrabel talks about Ramondre Stevenson, he talks about him in a very positive manner.
00:26:03
PatsPro
I think he, and probably Josh McDaniels as well, I think they both see... Given the proper protection, given the ability to actually crash into a line that has some push, Ramondre can do a lot of damage. And that's what they need. They need a downhill running back. That's what the system thrives off of.
00:26:20
PatsPro
You need your your downhill bowling ball running back and, as Tom Curran likes to say, your change of pace back, you know your're ah your little guy out there who can make people miss on screens and you know swing passes, which is Travion Henderson. I think Travion Henderson's skill set overlaps a lot with Antonio Gibson's. So I think that makes Gibson expendable.
00:26:40
PatsPro
And then, you know, obviously you just have, uh, Williams and Larison as, uh, the backups who can kind of do everything. So I think four is what they carry.
00:26:52
PatsPro
And,
00:26:52
Savage Boston
What about Lampe at a fullback? Brock Lampe.
00:26:55
PatsPro
Oh, I love a fullback. um So Brock Lampe, he's a big sucker from what I hear. He's a big guy. I would love to see them carry a fullback. I think that they're going to get back to that.
00:27:07
PatsPro
I would love to see Jakob Johnson back, but obviously they couldn't make that happen. <unk>d I'd love to see Lampe make the team to be a fullback.
00:27:15
Savage Boston
Yeah, I don't know. I was just like – I think the the good Thunder-Lightning thing would be, I guess, for Mondre and obviously Travion Henderson. But like, i don't know. Could Gibson make it over Mondre?
00:27:27
Savage Boston
Like, does Mondre – I know Vrabel said the the other day Mondre is going to be a big part of what they do. Like, maybe they end up liking Mondre. And he's a guy that dead they see his tape and they say, hey, a lot of these – these fumbles, these problems were because the line was so bad. And and they're partially, at least partially right. I mean, the line was was truly, it was 32 out of 32, right? It was really that bad. So like, there's not much you can do as a running back if your line is that bad.
00:27:53
Savage Boston
I don't see how Nan Larrison makes the team. I don't know. i get it. Again, we love loving the gritty bull wrestler white guy. I get it. It's fun. It's a fun story.
00:28:04
PatsPro
He looks just like Rex Burkhead. He's making this team.
00:28:06
Savage Boston
like Like, can he be your – you get rid of Antonio Gibson for some reason and then Larison's your change of pace guy.
00:28:07
Bret
ah
00:28:13
Savage Boston
Like, I think the Thunder Lightning thing with Mondray, and I would love Henderson as your third down back. I think that's a home run.
00:28:19
PatsPro
Yeah.
00:28:20
Savage Boston
Home run pick. Love him in pass pro. Love him catching the ball. Love him catching screens. like i Like, I think he's going to be a really good player this year. um He's going to pop.
00:28:31
Savage Boston
He's going to pop every time he gets the football. So that's been great. And then, like again, like Brock Lampe, your fullback, I think Brock Lampe is going probably make the team. Like if Josh decides I'm getting a fullback, then he's got to make it, and he'll be on that 53-man.
00:28:48
Savage Boston
So I think that would be really interesting.
00:28:48
PatsPro
Yeah, I think he makes it more as a tight end, though, than like a RB.
00:28:49
Bret
Yeah, I
00:28:53
Savage Boston
I don't know.
00:28:54
PatsPro
i think he becomes the third tight end at that point.
00:28:57
Bret
yeah i mean, if they're carrying a fullback, I don't see them carrying four running backs. um
00:29:02
Savage Boston
That's a lot.
00:29:03
Bret
That's a lot. So, i don't know. i I'm kind of in that camp where yeah i think I think Gibson would be the guy. i think you'd go with Mondra. I mean, Mondra's really locked up for a while, but like I think you could get it out if he doesn't work out later on. like Whereas Gibson, he's not signed as much.
00:29:24
Bret
ah Is he older than Mondra?
00:29:27
Savage Boston
Johnny O'Gibson?
00:29:28
Bret
Yeah. he? old is it
00:29:30
Savage Boston
I'll have to look that up.
00:29:31
Bret
Oh, they're the same age. They're pretty much the same age.
00:29:34
Savage Boston
Okay.
00:29:35
Bret
all right. Yeah, for some reason, I thought Gibson was older. So for me, like ah it's the kind of the same argument that I had was thinking about with the wide receivers. I think they would probably try to move Bourne over Booty, but Booty might bigger.
00:29:47
Bret
They're going to look for a bigger asset, but they're looking for youth. They're going young, and then that's why they didn't go with Tooney. They're going young. They're trying to get young, hungry guys, return over this roster and get some fresh blood in here to try to build from there.
00:30:00
Bret
And move its way up. So, i don't know. I mean, I think Gibson would be the one I would look at because he essentially, we brought him in as that third down option. And Henderson is going to take that spot. So, that would be the guy I'd move off if they decide to keep a fullback.
00:30:15
Bret
um But it's going to be interesting because, again, i wouldn't say either one of them flashed. Yeah, the offensive line was not good at all. But they also weren't that great.
00:30:27
Bret
So, we'll see.
00:30:28
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:30:29
PatsPro
I mean, Gibson at times was a lot better than Andre was.
00:30:29
Savage Boston
Gibson at times just ran a lot better than Andre last year too. Even he was a lot better. I just don't think it's an automatic. Like I don't think anything on this team is automatic. That's, that's the fun part, right?
00:30:41
Savage Boston
That'll be what's interesting about training camp is there's no, there's no automatics. There's, there's barely, I should say barely an automatic, right?
00:30:45
PatsPro
Well, Drake Mays automatically.
00:30:49
Savage Boston
Like most guys are truly competing and they're, they're grinding. Um, I'm excited for tomorrow, even being ah Wednesday OTA with the media in there, because I just want to see people to be like, all right, Drake looked, Drake, Drake looked under control, right? Or Drake was seeing it.
00:31:06
Savage Boston
Well, something, just anything about Drake, positive light. I just think that was a really unexpected negative day. And I think most people were like, all right it's OTAs. Like they, you know, we understand, we get it. Like, even though people are hungry for football content, but like,
00:31:22
Savage Boston
I just thought it was a it was unnecessary negative media. It would be something we would have never talked about in a million years with Brady. So,
00:31:30
PatsPro
Well, Brady also never threw four interceptions one after the other in practice.
00:31:30
Savage Boston
um
00:31:35
Savage Boston
yeah yeah, I don't know. i mean, i did someone did send me a link after that. They're like, hey, listen, there's a link from Josh Allen last year. He threw three consecutive picks in training camp.
00:31:44
PatsPro
Well, that's just who Josh Allen is. i mean, yeah, that's you know supposedly Drake May ceiling, but like can we be better about the interceptions? Does that have to be part of his game?
00:31:51
Bret
Thank you.
00:31:52
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:31:53
PatsPro
I don't think so.
00:31:54
Savage Boston
Yeah, it does not have to be part of his game. And I think that's something that obviously he'll he'll clean up. I just also feel like you just got to trust in Josh McDaniels. Like yeah I do trust Josh. He's been the, he was the OC here for a very, very long time.
00:32:07
Savage Boston
I trust Josh. I think Josh is a great OC and I think Josh will drop up this offense to be so much more efficient and so much better than last season, last two seasons that that's what I'm, I'm, I'm mostly excited about.
00:32:16
PatsPro
Thank
00:32:22
Savage Boston
So um any final thoughts you want to guys want to get out? I usually try to wrap it up around half an hour. or So anything else you guys want to get out?
00:32:29
PatsPro
For me, just take a look at what Josh McDaniels did for Derek Carr in that first season. I mean, he had Devontae Adams, yes, but just just look at how Derek Carr played in that first season when he was playing.
00:32:38
Savage Boston
Yeah.
00:32:39
PatsPro
he was ah McDaniels, his system, the way he coaches, does something for players. um ah But I'm just i'm so excited for Kyle Williams.
00:32:49
Savage Boston
Yeah. He's going to be a beast. Uh, Brad, anything else you want to add?
00:32:53
Bret
The season of hype continues. I'm looking forward to what we get for reports out of minicamp.
00:32:56
Savage Boston
that
00:32:59
Bret
I'm looking for more ah you know reports out there that Drake looks like he's an MVP caliber candidate going into this year, which I saw was being talked about.
00:33:09
Bret
and then yeah your Your boy Tommy Curran gave you a little shout out for ah Retweeting that you know a little tidbit on a podcast that Drake May could be the Jaden Daniels of this year and come around. So I'm looking i'm in for the hype.
00:33:24
Bret
Give me the hype. Give me the something to get excited about because the Sox suck.
00:33:25
Savage Boston
of
00:33:28
Bret
There's nothing else going on right now. I need the hype.
00:33:32
Savage Boston
And I i love shout outs cause I'm incredibly vain. So, and I'll take any shout outs I can get. Um, but yeah, it's, uh, I think honestly, like I'm just not excited for like, it's a fun time of year for like,
00:33:45
Savage Boston
family, friends, you know what i mean? Like we're going to go golfing, you know, things like that.
00:33:48
Bret
work.
00:33:51
Savage Boston
It's fun. But in the back of my mind, I'm like, oh man, I'm like, when's, when's camp? Like when's training? Like, I want to go down there. I want to get to camp. I want to see how it goes. You know what i mean? So um that's the only, the only bummer is I thought we'd be full Celtics season right now. Like all, all hyped up about the playoffs. And now you're just like, shoot, do we really, we're just going to yell about the Red Sox every night?
00:34:11
Savage Boston
Just be mad about baseball. It's like back to, 2001 or something or 2000, you know, like, yeah, the core stuff, man.
00:34:15
PatsPro
This is what we get for hiring Alex Cora after he cheated.
00:34:21
Savage Boston
I know people aren't so high on him right now. They think the team has just made poor decisions for a long time. So anyway, I'll leave it off on that. You guys take it easy. Thanks for turning in, tuning in. Okay. See Bye.
00:34:32
Bret
Peace.