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154: Boy Bands Vs. Man Bands
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This week it's Alanna's turn to dive into some band scandals and screw-ups (and screw-overs). From boy bands old and new struggling against shitty managers and substance abuse issues, to some very nasty room wrecking parties from the trashiest of rocks stars, this one has it all!
Like who was it that had to be tranquilized by the Thai army to get them out of their hotel room, and who did despicable things with mud sharks that probably they did not consent to! ?Shame on you, on behalf of anyone who's ever worked housekeeping! Until next time, Keep it Cryptic, Cuties!
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Podcast Introduction and Hosts' Banter
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Darkcast Network. Indie Pods with the Dark Side.
00:00:27
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All right, welcome back to castles and cryptids where the castles are haunted, the cryptids are cryptic as fuck, and sometimes the computers even work. but And I'm your host, Ella. I'm Kelsey. And we are back at you this week with Well, it ended up being my side of the band theme that we went with last week. We talked about Pussy Riot. Yeah, we did. Yeah, we did. That was fun. I even liked editing it. It was like,
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Yeah, I put a couple of their videos up on the website or you can look them up on YouTube. That I did not see. Okay, a couple of a couple of the ones we talked about. um Yeah, I liked I found a good picture for the Yeah, I like that one. I call it thumbnail, yeah. I was like, oh, the bana clavas. Yeah, so I hope you guys liked that one. That was an interesting mashup episode, as it were, as it ended up being where I talked about the end of the possession case. And then, oh yeah, and then my brother was like, which case do you think was more believable of your two? And I went,
00:01:50
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gonna have to remind me what Kelsey talked about because at this point I think I was deep into like our next episode topic.
Lighter Themes and Personal Anecdotes
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We got ahead but then you're like so all over the place you don't know where you are. And you've edited the last couple episodes so I couldn't I had to listen to part of the episode back to even remember what your the like names were involved in your episode to even try and do like the tags for the website or. Oh, yes. Yes. Look up pictures for anything for the website. I was like, I do not remember. No, no. Yeah. Daniel had to be like, she talked about Gina. And I was like, Oh, okay. Looked it up again. Right. And then, yeah, I know.
00:02:41
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marries and rofs and weird lorancy names and yeah um but anyway yeah it's we hope you guys are well and this is gonna be some uh boy bands some trashy band scandals like trash places so a little bit of a little bit of column b
00:03:09
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crazy hotel room party because you always hear about that right that's the whole rock yeah aesthetic exactly you're like all right and it's it's property damage so it's less dark than like yeah this guy accidentally killed a person or this band's been accused of sexual assault. Yeah, we didn't want to get into any of that with these ah like or this episode topic. Sometimes it's fun just to take a lighter, the the pettier side of her crying because she just does not a lot of dark stuff sometimes. like well Yeah, exactly. I don't know if our psyches can handle it. um
00:03:56
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Not all the time. Mercury might be in retrograde. um Things are happening. Phones are breaking. Cars are breaking. yeah Both of us have things that are just melting in the heat and not working.
Car Troubles and Dealership Woes
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I'm not arguing with my my car dealership to try and get the doors. My doors don't open properly on my car. All of them like died on the same day. ah So it's really hard to unlock. Definitely my driver's side door, like one of my doors on the passenger side doesn't open at all, the back one. And then on my driver's side, my door, I normally have to unlock almost 30 times even with the physical keys before it actually unlocks.
00:04:41
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It's the problem with the technology fucks up, I guess. And like all four of them died in the same like minute, like they all stopped at the same time. And it's a problem that's known around the world, but it's not covered. where we live by the company, but it is covered in other countries by the company. So I did send an angry email after my ah dealership told me how much it would be to fix it all, um because it's not covered under any warranties anymore. And I kind of told them that was poor customer service, considering that the company clearly is aware it's a problem everywhere else in the world with their cars. So
00:05:22
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why shouldn't they cover it here, or at least like offer to cover the repair? Because clearly it's a shit thing on this like certain span of years on their car. Yeah, this model has a problem. You need to fix it. Yeah. but so yeah Yeah, so I'm waiting to hear back on that. Otherwise, it's like over a well over $1,000 repair.
00:05:55
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Canadian, mind you. Yeah, before tax and Canadian. It's like, that hurts. I heard so much when things break down. I don't know what to say to that. First, my car, my make model, whatever Kia, the only thing I've heard about them is some of the models tend to get stolen because like somebody put out a TikTok or something about a really easy way to like Oh, yeah, get into some of them. Hopefully not mine. I haven't had any problems in that regard, but my old car, the but it it wasn't the fancy, you know, I guess it had door unlocks, but it was a 2000. What eight my old Ford Focus that my mom gave me.
00:06:41
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So it like the driver's door did go, which was fucking annoying, but I could still reach back from the door behind it and open it from the inside, from the yeah back door. So if I'm sitting in the driver's door, sitting inside the car, the driver's door will open. ah but um so one of they So you're not trapped in the car? No, that has not happened, thankfully. That's good. um But what's interesting is so the back driver's door won't open unless you were able to first get the driver's front door open. um The front passenger door opens easiest and the back passenger door is the one that doesn't open at all in almost four weeks. It sounds like a word problem that I have to figure out in an escape room. yeah
00:07:34
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Which door do you go for? So far I say the ah passenger side and the front. Yeah, so that's the easiest to open, but even reaching across, like you just said, you could open it from the inside. Nope. Right. More than more than half the time it it won't open from the inside, even reaching across from the front passenger side to open the driver door. So you have to get in through your passenger side door. No. No, I'm saying reaching across, it doesn't open that door. on So I just fight. I fight with the driver's door sometimes for up to 10 minutes in parking lots and everything. Just looks like I'm trying to break into my own car all the time. Oh my God, that would so piss me off.
00:08:20
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Yeah, it's infuriating and every week it gets a little bit worse like it takes a few no like when it first started happening it was probably like I don't know I have probably had to unlock the door four or five times and now it's at least 30 times between the button and like turning the key over and over and I can hear it unlock every time it turns and it won't actually unlock and I have to try the handle in between each time and I have heard of similar problems with some, ah like a company vehicle, uh, that someone in our department had to drive where they were like, if I'm in it, I get, and I was like, Oh my God, this sounds like a pain. Like, yeah, it's just crazy. It doesn't have problems. Like nobody's had problems, um, getting out of my car. Cause I've been a few people rides recently and stuff and nobody's had a problem getting out of my car once we're in it, even me.
00:09:13
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But getting into it is fucking crazy. So I'm fighting with them because I want them to cover it because I already had one of the doors fixed a few years after I got it for the same problem. And oh my god at that time it was still covered under warranties, so they just fixed it. But now all the warranties are out. That's what I should have my air conditioning looked at.
00:09:37
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but there because yeah Yeah, like most of the other other countries around the world offered a courtesy 10-year warranty now for the same problem um for the first 10 years from when you purchased your cart, which mine would fall under that. um But it's not offered in Canada. So we're not usually on the shit list for things like that. Right? They're offering it in the US, but not Canada. We suck. So my dealership is contacting ah the American company to see if they will cover it because more than likely my car was probably fucking built in America. So they should do it. Yeah, seems like a major malfunction.
00:10:25
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um like I even found stuff talking about the same problem and coverage in Australia. like It's fucking around the world. like Clearly it's a problem and we should cover it in Canada. Damn. Yeah. I don't want to pay that bill. That's too much money. Yeah, and it's crazy. It seems like an under reaction by us when I think a little bit, I listened to the You're Wrong about about the Ford Pinto and you know how that one, it got a reputation for like being an exploding sort of car in a crash, which was a bit overblown. Pardon the pun. Yeah. It's because it had a gas tank near the back wheel or something. And so like, turns out it,
00:11:13
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under underperformed in back, like back of the vehicle collisions or something. It's like, yeah. Cause that's where you had to put the gas tank. Cause it was a small car or something. I don't know. So it was like, but then because of that, I just remember like the safety measures where they were like, Oh, I guess we'll have to recall them all. Cause somebody got yeah hurt or whatever. It's like, yeah, that's a problem. But apparently it was like, I remember they were listing other cars that didn't do as well in the safety tests that the report was a whole part of and it was like Toyota Parolas and like other cars that aren't known for being like exploding car rockets.
00:11:54
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I think Toyota Corolla is the one that is like the number one stolen or something because they said like ah yeah um most of the ones released in a certain span of years within I think the early 2000s all had the same key. 100,000 of them or whatever have the same key across North America. Yeah, exact key. So if like you bought a Toyota Corolla with like in this span of years and you're in North America, you could probably open any other Toyota Corolla sitting in the fucking a parking lot.
00:12:31
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um And the the like auto thieves know that. So like if you are, I knew it because of the insurance side where I used to work, ah as soon as you would punch that in and it would be like, oh, they'd be like, why is my my Toyota Corolla that's like a 2004 really, really expensive to insure for theft? And you're like, well, let me tell you a story. ah Yeah, because it's kind of a crappy vehicle where you're like, that's like a rental car. Yeah, normally it would be like less than 100 bucks. And like, why is this $800? It's like, yes, because.
00:13:09
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The chances of your vehicle getting stolen, like that factors in, is how many of your brand and vehicle get stolen on average every year. If it's really high, you're going to pay more than somebody else's whose vehicle doesn't, even if your two vehicles cost the same to buy from a dealership. so Yeah, it was just funny. They'd be like, my vehicle's super old. and Why is this so expensive? Right.
Boy Bands: Influence and Exploitation
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uh yeah yeah because of some bad eggs and we hate bureaucracy i think that's the lesson here on all the stupid hoops you have to jump through right um growing up in the 90s i had heard the name lou pearlman and the shows like making the band and all the okay the boy bands came from all the factories and stuff like i remember hearing about that stuff did you Um, no, I, but mine was mostly like the family channel, I think. It wasn't too many like actual boy bands I ever really listened to that would be like classified as boy bands. They're probably kind of on their way out at the time because they kind of like,
00:14:36
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have a dip in popularity and then a bit of a resurgence. Yeah. Yeah. and Okay. Yeah. Definitely. Well, we had like much music here in Canada, which is like the MTV of um yeah Canada. Yeah. I used to watch that on like creepy, but yeah it's got a ah pretty good variety of music though. Right. Yeah.
00:15:02
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Okay, so yeah, I've heard a little bit about Lou Pearlman. I didn't do a deep dive because there is a documentary you can watch by one of the boy banders from NSYNC, Lance Bass, the gay one.
00:15:21
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And it's ah that one you can watch on, it's called it's a YouTube Originals documentary, which apparently is a thing.
00:15:31
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and And it's called the boy band Con, the Lou Pearlman story. And it came out on the tube of you on March 13th, 2019. Okay, fairly recent. Yeah, and it's like if that's from someone who was in one of the bands that was directly managed by him and like affected by whatever wrongdoings he did, then that's probably the best source. So yeah, he comes up a bit. So I just, you know, had to kind of mention him. um And I guess their nickname for them when they were in the band was Big Papa. I love it when you call me Big Papa or something like that. Sounds vaguely familiar. I have no idea if it was a boy band, I mean. Probably not.
00:16:19
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Also, apropos of nothing other than like, I don't listen to a lot of boy bands, but the other day Rain was in the car with me and just kind of went, we have very different taste in music. Did I tell you that? No. And I didn't know how to feel about it. I was like, Because like, I don't know, we did make her listen to some like Metallica and some stuff like that that we both like. So I don't know about that. Apple might've fallen far from my tree. Who knows? I like a lot of eclectic, different music. I have mostly like indie, indie like or alternative rock. And then some like, I guess it wouldn't be like folk music, but like kind of the indie like folk music. I don't know. I like the sound of the folk music. I can get behind that. Pick some good bands. like music Yeah.
00:17:14
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You introduced me to some different cool ones like Arctic Monkeys and Glorious Suns and Beaches that I don't think I ever would have found otherwise because I don't listen to the radio. which And one of my favorites, July Talk. Okay, see, and I don't think I know any of their songs. Or do I? Should I? You do. I've played some along. Okay, okay. Maybe I just didn't get into them as much. I can't remember. The lead singers are a guy and a girl, and the guy grew up here in Edmonton. It's from Edmonton, yeah. That is cool. That is very cool. Okay, we shall support. I will go check him out.
00:17:58
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I did listen to, I think I had a Backstreet Boys CD when I was a kid. That's all I could do. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. See, that was like before before my childhood. Backstreet Boys, NSYNC, even Britney Spears, most of her stuff was already over. they're like late ninety s early two thousand real Yeah, Yeah. That makes sense because you'd have been like six or something. You're like, I don't know. Yeah. Boys are bros.
00:18:32
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yeah but We had, I think by then it was like a lot more. What? We had like a lot more women. So there was like pink and, um, love pink. And then what, Avril Lavigne was probably just coming, like, kind of dwindling down, but then you had Hilary Duff, just kind of starting out. I mean Melissa, not Avril, no. But she, yeah, and then like Hilary Duff kind of like skyrocketed. And so I feel like there was a lot more like a big popularity and like women singers and stuff than
00:19:16
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Like all the little boy band kind of. They were like very molded. I think as well to like, Oh, we also had the Pussycat Dolls. I love Pussycat Dolls. We talked about them last time. Cause I talked about the cultures here. Anyway, uh, shit was I just saying?
00:19:41
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Then the boy bands came back, I think in like 2010. not There's a new wave, yes. Yeah, it was like Jonas Brothers and yeah they're the only ones I could use. Disney boys. Because they were before One Direction. One Direction was quite a few years later. Right, right, right. So we got to start back with Pearlman, the Backstreet Boys, which I would say them they seem to be the first. um yeah so and but In Reddit speak, the too long didn't read on Pearlman or the the crib notes, if you will, was he went to prison for one of the longest running ah Ponzi schemes in 2008. So I guess he was... Yeah, real shady with the money. And he was supposed to spend 25 years there and he was ah sued again while I was in prison by the Backstreet Boys and then he did die in prison in 2016. So he's gone.
00:20:41
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um Yeah, like underpaid the Backstreet Boys and stuff. Then NSYNC kind of like- Oh, I was gonna say, was he like taking their money? Yeah, giving them very little, I guess. And then NSYNC, NSYNC, whatever. You just spell it right. It's just NSYNC. God damn you, if you put an eye in front of that and not an asterisk, it will correct you. um They said they felt like the redheaded stepchild of the Perlman family. They were like made after the Backstreet Boys, but not allowed to like come out right away in case that like upset the poor, fragile Backstreet Boys, apparently. like
00:21:27
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weird rival based on the start. I feel like they're the two, like those two and probably like fucking new kids on the block are like the ones I think of when I think boy band, it's like those three only. Yeah, new kids on the block, the OG, yeah. Yeah, it's probably also what, like the, is it the Hanson brothers? I think I have one Hanson brother CD that my friends gave me, I was like, no thanks. They hit a little after, I think the, Yeah. In Sync, and yeah, yeah, I liked Hanson too. I liked early Hanson, Avril, all that. Yeah, adulthood.
00:22:05
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Oh yeah, so they even referred to In Sync as B5, which was their code name before they came out as In Sync. Oh, B5. Ew, isn't that just like, yeah, it sounds like a failed place. Because there's already five of you? you Probably. Can you name all five? Oh, I don't think I wrote them down. No, absolutely not. I can never remember who was in NSYNC and who was in the Backstreet Boys, so. Oh, that's a toughie. Bass, Timberlake, they're NSYNC, but then... Who are the other three? Fatone? I think there's a Joey Fatone. Oh no. I'm supposed to be telling you. Who was in which one? And I only, yeah, I only really ever remember Justin Timberlake. And he should be remembered for his problematic side as well as his great bops like sexy back or whatever.
00:23:05
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Did you see he just got arrested for DUI or whatever? Yeah, and he told them something like, you can't do this to me, I'm a celebrity or some shit. Yeah, they made fun of it hard on the black larceny. He was like, the world tour. They're gonna cancel the tour. Fuck Justin, don't drink and drive. You can't hide for a driver? Like, fuck you. I don't know. Apparently the bartender said he did only have one margarita. Who's to say? He's got his problems. He yeah what comes up in Britney Spears background at Jessica Simpson. He was mean to her.
00:23:46
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on the Mickey Mouse Club or something. I don't know. They just did a, I was, I told you I was binging some back catalog of you're wrong about. And during quarantine, they did the, they went through the Michelle remembers book. Remember the satanic panic when I talked to you. And like, I'm like, I'm glad you guys went through it and just told me the highlights. Cause I don't think I could have read that myself. And then they did the Jessica Simpson memoir book or whatever. So. I learned a lot. yeah um i'm I'm deep in the nostalgia. Yeah. Oh, my.
00:24:21
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um So what did I say? Oh, yeah. So then for in sync. the that Lou Pearlman bent them over and fucked them just as hard. ah They sold 10 million, their first 10 million records, I guess, or whatever. And then he gave them each $10,000. Oh, that's not enough. 10 million is a lot of records. That's a fraction. I don't know what the decimal point is there off the top of my head, but it's not great. No.
00:24:55
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Considering like, I was just in there was kind of talking about how like, before you used to have to like, walk yourself to a store, stand in line, purchase something, take it home, have the means to play it, not just like, boop, it's on your phone, I can YouTube it, and like you had to actually do this, or you had to wait for it to play on the radio or TV and record it. I know, even now if you can find an older track or something that like, you know, Pat will have something on vinyl that I really like. It's like, do you think I can find that on like Spotify? Like, not necessarily. It might be hard. Yeah. Or sometimes they have like remastered versions and you're like, no, I want the original one where I can hear somebody take a breath in between each line. I like that kind of stuff. Almost acoustic you can tell it's not quite
00:25:49
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true yeah I can think of at least one chili peppers track where I can hear them it's a a ballad or whatever yeah it's a quiet one you're like you can tell yeah um just like I'm sure you guys can tell how close our mouths are to the mic and I'm sorry if you have what is it called oh the one with the mouth noises mesophonia apparently that's real bad I get it if people start smacking their lips in the lunchroom I'm like I will kill you
00:26:22
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You must die. Okay. Okay. More on in sync. Oh, they were able to find a technicality in their contract that allowed them to part ways with Perlman. Yay. um He countered by suing them for the use of the in sync name and loses. That's kind of where they part ways, I guess. um And then yeah, from the new wave of the boy bands came birthed one direction. from Simon Cowell's womb. no Yeah, what were they X Factor or whatever? ah can i think I think they all auditioned like separately and they were like, let's squish you guys together because boy bands are a thing. Yeah, let's put you all in a tour bus. You can be the quirky one. You can be the hot one. Obviously, I mean Harry Styles. Okay.
00:27:19
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oh They're all pretty cute to be honest. He just gets a lot of press. um they can ah I feel like I don't really know. No. They have a few Harry Styles songs end up going on rotation at my work. I'll be listening to it. I was like, OK, these aren't bad, but I wouldn't actually like Google this so I could they like bring it up on YouTube so I could listen to it. Couldn't even name one if you have had a gun to my head. I don't think. Watermelon sugar. I know that one. That's a name. Oh, I'm out of time. Atlanta isn't in the know, guys. Damn.
00:28:02
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i oh I know I'm turning into Pat where he only plays CDs in his cars and I'm like, radio? When do I listen to new songs? That's not a thing that I need to hear. This old music's just fine.
00:28:15
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Anyway, then Spotify will sneak things in on you. Well, you like this, so you might like this. Hey, this is a new song. What are you trying to do? Give me some of my shell. I know you do, too. we're We're both over there listening to fucking Matchbox 20 and like Rob Thomas Santana. Oh, yes. Like this came out when I was two. Yeah, it was my second Famer band after Red Hot Chili Peppers. i thought for parma so kevin And I love Matchbox. There's nothing problematic about that. They're not Jared Leto. Okay, I did like 30 Seconds to Mars. I had almost all of their songs. Oh my god. Small tangent. They talked about him on Sinister Hood.
00:29:05
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whether or not his following saying, haha, yeah, we are a cult, makes them a cult and things like that. No, they're insane. like Apparently. And he's insane and I hate him, but I did like a lot of that music. It's like 2009, 2010. He's like, I'm in it for the art, but also you can come here for a weekend 30 seconds to Mars fucking day camp where you guys all pay me thousands of dollars. learn Like, okay. Lovely. like
00:29:36
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Yeah, keep sending your pubes to your co-stars or whatever. know Yeah, he's just so gross. so
00:29:47
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Anyway, yeah, okay. Okay, I digress. um So One Direction consists of Niall Horan, Harry Styles, Louis Tomlinson, and Liam Payne. And Simon Cowell, well, he can be cruel as fuck. He was no criminal or Lou Pearlman type deviant. No. I don't really think so. Yeah, I don't mind him. He's just, he can be cutting. He's British. What do you want? What do you want from him? Yeah. um So they, yeah, none of these boy bands really got in any trouble for anything they really did. They had scandals, like,
00:30:28
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Zayn Malik left the group. Oh, yeah, I didn't mention him in the original lineup. That's because he left. He was the Jerry Halliwell of the Spice Girls, if you will. Which she still looks good. God damn it. um So he just quite literally didn't like the direction they were going in. And he said that. And he said, no pun. He said they're going in one direction. I'm going in the other. he And he had to be like, no pun.
00:30:58
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So, uh, of course many of these bands, like other bands experience things like variance, substance abuse issues and mental health struggles as they, you know, reach varying degrees of fame and fortune, I guess. Especially at a young age. Like so true. I think that's a big part of the problem. Yeah, like your brain isn't fully developed and you're just handed millions of dollars and then access to drugs and alcohol and basically told if you want something there's workarounds to get at it even if you're not of age. and
00:31:39
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Yeah, Gordo agrees. I heard him. ah Yeah, it's like the child star syndrome. Exactly. Yeah. So what I didn't know much about is a conspiracy, but nothing else to call it. Or, you know, crappy rumor. People start scrutinizing them and say there's a a mini alliance allegiance. like They're like, ooh, Lewis and Harry are so close that they must be the lovers or something. I know this, yep. Really? Isn't that sick? What's wrong with people?
00:32:22
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No, I've seen so many things about it. I didn't even look it up. Yeah, why something like that? Why do people just persistently spread rumors that have no basis? It might be fun to say. So I almost didn't want to say it, but then coming across it, I'm just like, It just makes me sad, so I want to say it to like- It can get to like harassment levels and that's when it's like not good. yeah People's reputations. Especially when you're dealing with like freaking teenagers.
00:33:03
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And that kind of stuff. And especially about people's sexuality. Shouldn't be doing that. Rumors are hurtful and speculating and spreading shit is hurtful. And and yeah, what made me sad is that they said like, it apparently amaze them not even want to like put their arm around each other in public or just be scared to just even be themselves and be like friends in the way that they should be able to be. Which is doing the opposite of what people want, which should be making people who are gay and everything for people trying to explore their sexuality be comfortable. Or even just having two boys be comfortable displaying affection in public. Even people that are really good friends because now you're
00:33:53
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like making it into such a big thing that they're going to be so self-conscious about it. But it's weird because it's like homophobic by them trying to make them be gay. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Because how could two straight men possibly just, you know, be affectionate or whatever? It's like, oh, no. Yeah, like, it's just, oh, I hate that part of, like, weirdness so that we've come to because it keeps happening more and more. They're running into it with, on like, actors and stuff that are like taking on
00:34:33
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like LGBT roles and people speculating, oh, if they haven't like publicly come out or anything, should they be playing this role? And then people speculating on sexuality. Can't we just can't we just celebrate that there's all these like different types of shows and characters and everything that are available that people can consume nowadays. Why do we need to be focused on that part of it? There's a time where yeah like fucking a gay character would never get shown on TV without being a punchline or being that kind of stuff. like Why do we have to make it bad? It's so true. It's the clickbaitiness and the problem with the- Yeah.
00:35:19
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journal, like media industry? I don't know. Yeah, it's a whole. I think there's just so much. There's so many newspapers and everything that everybody needs to get something that's going to grab somebody's attention because there's just too much information available. And then people like they just gotta make shit up. Yeah, there's the ones that make the scandal sell. And so it's like, okay, it's all about this delicious clickbait and That's what they made that industry into because it'll sell so who cares if they're wrong after. like Yeah, two weeks later we'll publish our apology or we'll get the exclusive interview from their side because they want to clear up our story that we lied about. ah That person's reputation is tarnished forever. Let's get the exclusive that we caused where they come out and reveal all finally. Yeah, right.
00:36:17
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oh yeah There's basically nothing problematic.
Public Perceptions and Controversies
00:36:22
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They could find scandalous about the Jonas Brothers. They're so squeaky Disney clean. I said they came on the scene. What? I was gonna say I remember them being there being something about because Nick Nick Jonas is diabetic. I remember them being something about Nick faking, having diabetes oh my to get public sympathy or like something weird like that. If anybody remembers, please let me know. It was something involving his diabetes. And that was also something I think they ended up having to publicly acknowledge being like, we would never lie about this. It was like, what the fuck? You have to come out and say that it's such bullshit.
00:37:09
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Yeah, it was, yeah. It's like when they were like, Jessica Simpson looks better now. And they were like, her publicist was like, you should come out and refute the rumors and be like, I look different then, but it's just a different outfit. It's just like, no. Why should I give into that and tell people like, oh, I didn't lose a few pounds or whatever. It's like, who fucking cares? Why do I have to acknowledge that on like a monthly basis? Yeah. Why is that people's focus? um so yeah i guess they keep I didn't know much about the Jonas Brothers, I know through other people's obsession with them. I used to like some of their early songs because they played them on the family channel, so I do know some of their early songs.
00:37:55
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Oh yeah, I like sucker and and other ones I've heard that are bops, I don't know. but ah And I know Nick can act because he was in Jumanji. Yeah, he's been in a couple things. And they can get some hot women and I know that because they have. Yeah. um
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Is it?
00:38:23
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Kevin, no, Kevin's the oldest one. He was the one that's married to the girl from Game of Thrones. Joe, he was. With Joe, yeah. Yeah, he was married to Sophie Turner. Yeah, he has a separate band that did the, Cake by the Ocean. Oh, I love that one. Yeah, I can't remember what the band's called, but that was his band. It was pretty good too, that was playing on the radio, I like that. It was a spin-off. Yeah, before I think the Jonas Brothers kind of got back together and he had that band. Okay, because I did read and I haven't hear they went on hiatus for six years and they came back with Sucker. Yeah, I like that song. I had all the wives in the video. um Their little ah only scandal if you can call it that was people were like, you have purity rings. What does that mean? They're like,
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waiting till marriage again, Jessica Simpson, she keeps the parallels. She had the same thing where people were like, you're a virgin waiting for marriage. Talk about that. And she's like, it's not really a big deal. If people don't want to be, they don't have to be, but I am. And then they just make that the headline. That's the whole thing, you know? So stupid. Um, so then rounding out the rest of the boy bands, we have, new kids on the block, as you mentioned, the OG the 80s boy band. What did they call them? The old kids on the block? The new men on the block or something? They're hardly kids anymore, exactly. Their kids could have kids on the block. I'm sure some of them do. I know Donnie Wahlberg has a step kid with Jenny
00:40:18
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McCarthy, Wahlberg, also from the Masked Singer. um
00:40:28
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And they were, yes, they were, there was a couple of brothers, I guess, Jordan and Jonathan Knight. The other members were Joey McIntyre, Donnie Wahlberg, and Danny Wood. I love their names. Danny Wood. Sounds like a porn name. He kind of does. Tranny Wood, no. Um, in South Korea in 1992, this is a little bit sad. A stampede broke out at one of their concerts, um, where 50 people were injured and one was actually killed. When was that? Uh, 92. Wow. in South Korea. Yeah. Some have been at the height. I would think of their popularity. I don't know. Yeah.
00:41:12
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So what happened was their fans, mostly teen girls, rushed the stage in the gym they were in. So I guess it was like a smaller venue? A gym? I don't know. Oh. Yeah. um A quote. Police arrested Hong Hyun Pyeo. Probably butchered that. The concert organizer on charges of neglecting safety precautions and causing the injuries. Police said Hong, president of Sorrible Records Company, admitted about 15,000 fans to the pop concert more than 3,000 beyond capacity.
00:41:45
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oh yeah how big a gym I'm trying to picture my high school gym or the biggest gym I've ever been in and then 12,000 people. Right? Maybe it's a community center. I can't remember if I got that. It's gotta be. That's insane. so big. And yeah, like, that's why probably why 50 injuries. And um unfortunately, the one death where the deceased had a head injury from the incident. And that was an 18 year old named Park Chong young young a a so soul soul. God, I can't talk high school student fell into a coma and died at the hospital. A police spokesman said, that's probably the darkest of
00:42:34
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yeah thing were Yeah, there was actually a casualty. um Then they were also accused of lip syncing on one of their own albums by an assistant producer named Greg McPherson. So that sucked. On their own album? Like Jerry? Yeah, he was an assistant producer. hi them I don't really get that like live, but I wouldn't i want think of that during the recording of an actual album where you can record as many times as you want until it sounds good. Because who's singing then? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, why like why do you need to lip sync? Yeah, I'm not sure like when the incidences would have been that he's just alleging, I guess.
00:43:21
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So to prove him wrong, they both appeared on Arsenio Hall's show live to sing and also filed a defamation lawsuit against the McPherson manager. hang Yeah. Yeah. Shouldn't be saying stuff like that. Right. And there was a, I think my sentence doesn't make a lot of sense, filed a defamation lawsuit against the McPherson manager. Marie star for creative infringement and breach of contract and then that was settled out of court and the claims of lip-syncing were retracted at that time damn
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um Jonathan left in 1994 as he was suffering major anxiety and panic attacks. And he said that similar to, well, I'm saying similar to Lance Bass, who I read also felt this, that he felt pressure to live as a straight man while in the band because you know they want the girls to be able to fantasize about you. yeah But he he was gay. And he was then accidentally outed by his famous pop star girlfriend, Tiffany. So I guess that happened. Of course, her name was Tiffany. Sorry, any Tiffany listeners?
00:44:40
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Yeah, just Tiffany, like just Cher. I feel like nobody gets named Tiffany anymore. It gets a bad map. Yeah, everybody that knows a Tiffany is like, mm-hmm. It's like, oh. Yeah, like like you think of it almost maybe you think of it like a stripper name or something like Candy. Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. um There were some hot Tiffany's, I don't know. Apparently the band reunited in 2008 and have worked or toured since then. toed we're dear um With Backstreet Boys 98 degrees, Boys to Men, TLC, and Paula Abdul. And they continue to sell out their venues.
00:45:26
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how early 90s. Oh, I was gonna say like, how early do the concerts end? Because everybody's old. 40s are up at least. It starts at 4pm on Z8. I don't want this concert. Day drinking.
00:45:50
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um There was a band also called LFO, which I don't know if you remember. I've heard of them. LFO. Yup. They were another Pearlman product. They had three members, Brad Fischetti, Devin Lima, and Rich Cronin. Oh shit. What was there? The only one I remember is LMFAO, Potty Rock Anthem. Potty Rock is in the house tonight.
00:46:24
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the thumb' trying to remember that's charlie that' goes a lot There's only two of them and their their uncle was famous I can't remember he's He was like well known and they're like we're just gonna make this band release a few famous songs and then Disappear into the mist I just accidentally googled LMO songs and it came up with Elmo songs.
00:46:52
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That's a different 90s trend. Oh, they did summer girls. Oh, I think that's new kids on the block got a bunch of tricks Chinese food makes me sick. I think it's fine when girls walk by in the summer in the summer. Nope. All right. like No. I remember that one. Ah. Before my time. Cause Lana's old. Yes, it's true. Um, okay. Do you need to, are you all sniffly? Do you need to blow your nose? No, I'm good. Says future Lana, who's going to have to edit. Okay. Um, okay. So that's who LFO are. Not Elmo, I guess.
00:47:45
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I've never heard of LFO. I think they were a one hit wonder. um the No real legal activity for these guys, but there was later allegations of some abuse that came out. um And guess what? The accused was Lou Pearlman. um That fucking loser. I'll have to show you a picture of him because he was just Mr. Potato Head of a man. How lovely.
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yeah
00:48:22
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Flabby white guy. um so yeah Of course, he he's got these hot band members and he's a pedophile or whatever, ah predator. He allegedly asked band member Rich Cronin to, asked him to touch Lou Prohman's genitals. um That was one allegation against him that You know, it's gross if true. um And sadly, this Rich Cronin band member has already passed away of leukemia at age 46. And the other band member, Devin, died of adrenal cancer in 2018. What a bummer. wow So like there's one member left, which makes me really sad. I don't know.
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So I'm like, I don't know. That's early for them to like, die. I'm like, i I heard you guys went and I was like 12 and like, yeah, maybe you were a little bit older, but like you're not that much older than me. And like, yeah, it's crazy. So the remaining guy said, Devin, as the world knows him, was an extraordinary talent, a doting father to his six children, and a loving partner to their mother. Oh, but the same woman? Or is he yeah nickki and and k yeah and said nick gave Nick Cannon?
00:49:46
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Oh, there's a few that have some I'm sure. Yeah, I don't know. But he said he was a beloved son and brother and a friend to so many on behalf of the LFO family. Thank you for the tremendous outpouring of love from friends, family, fans, media and those in the music industry. So um there was also a black boy band, just one that came up on the list called B2K. okay B2K. Yeah. I hadn't heard of them, I don't think. Now it just makes me think of Black Eyed Kids, which is B-E-K. Because I'm a paranormal podcaster. um Apparently they had hits such as Bump Bump Bump and a cameo in the movie You Got Served.
00:50:38
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i don't miss that I don't know if I've seen that one. A lot of words are coming out and none of them are being recognized. know um The members were Omerin, Lil Fizz, Jboog, and Rasbee. I like their names. Lil Fizz is great. Right? Better than Lil Bow Wow. No offense. Actually, offense. Half the names we have now, I'm like, really? Guys.
00:51:10
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and Why do they put Lil in front of everything, although Fizz is cute? And J. Boog? We worked with a girl, and I'm sure she called her daughter Boog as a nickname, or I don't know why. Um, but yeah, they had a manager named Chris Stokes, uh, the band split in 2014. And then, uh, fans were shocked and appalled in 20, uh, 2007, sorry, to hear Rasbee say that their former manager, Chris Stokes and cousin of Rasbee, uh, had molested him during their time. So again, more sexual abuse allegations. That's unfortunately common theme.
00:51:51
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um Stokes, who was managing Omarion's solo career at the time, I never know how to pronounce this, vehemently denied the allegations, Omarion called him a father figure and ah What's his name? Chris Stokes himself said, all the allegations made are false. I'm not gay and I'm married and I have four kids. I've been with my wife for 16 years and I'm not a child molester. So those are all false allegations. I'm going to sue them. And I owe that to my wife and kids period. It's ridiculous.
00:52:29
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Um, so that's what he said. Uh, and they announced a reunion in 2018, but unfortunately shortly after it began in March, Rasbee backed out. And as he posted on Instagram, he said, I don't feel safe because it feels like Chris Stokes is around. I'm off the tour. So that was, true yeah, definitely get some trauma. I'm sure. Um, he later added on social media, I'm a work in progress. I appreciate the love, sympathy and outpouring of understanding for my supporters. So that's nice. Um, healing. All right. Two more boy bands that you've probably never heard of. I hadn't big band. Wait, big bang.
00:53:22
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Big band. Big band. Big band music. Yeah. Okay. No, I have not heard of them. So they're a K-pop band. ah Oh, that's why. I don't listen to K-pop. Right. We know BTS. No matter what anybody at my work tries to get me to listen to, it will not happen. Oh, really? They're trying to push it on you. I work with all the K-pop peddlers. Of Filipino people.
00:53:52
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Okay, they're fans. Yeah, a lot of people I'd say at least a third of the people I work with it's either K dramas or cake pop and I'm like, even the thing on social media if you're doing a video where you're like trying a food and you're eating it, I guess it's called a mukbang because of the Korean words for like food and I don't know. i've heard our Yeah, weird. Um, but we like to do that. We take all sorts of French words into our culture. Why not? Korean. I don't know. Um, so there was a member named, uh, just going to wing it here. Soongri, which was named in the so-called burning sun scandal. Never heard of it. Um, yes, I have one. Yeah.
00:54:45
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quote on it. ah He was also accused, it said, as well as his alleged involvement in secret group chats that were used to circulate hidden camera videos of women. Oh, is this the guy that owned the restaurant?
00:55:04
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It was like one recently of about somebody that some celebrity that owned a restaurant that just got found out or something because they had cameras in the bathrooms. Yeah, fairly recent, like within the last couple of weeks. No, the only digging I did said that quote, Burning Sun, a documentary by the BBC World Service's award-winning and critically acclaimed investigations team, BBCI, brings together the story of two female Korean journalists who took on the task of investigating sex scandals involving prominent K-pop stars and paid a high personal price.
00:55:44
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I mean, it doesn't really specify, but I didn't dig deep into it to see, yeah like, I don't know where the restaurant was that you were, Yeah, I can't remember. Um, I think it's somewhere in the US though, so probably doesn't have anything to do with that. Yeah. I mean, this could be something to look into the BBC I project earlier delivered a radio series, intrigue burning sun, speaking to key players who fought to expose these crimes and documenting the explosive fallout. Now TV documentary burning sun.
00:56:20
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exposing the secret K-pop chat groups, presents gripping first-person narratives from soul-based reporters Park Hyo-sil and Kang Kyung-yoon, whose journalism revealed at a huge personal cost horrific sex abuse committed by seemingly wholesome heartthrobs of the K-pop world. I don't know. That's why you can't be a fan of anybody. Everybody sucks. Your good place score will go down because everything sucks everywhere. no bright Nothing is ethically sourced. Even if you're that weird Doug guy from like Calgary where they're like, he has the best good place score. He like waters his own plants with his urine or whatever the hell you know' compost. yeah
00:57:10
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it was Yeah, that was funny. All finally, ah the trashier side. So I think Pat told me about this one. It's that Glenn Danzig and the Misfits were arrested for grave robbing. And the Misfits? Okay, I've heard of them. They're the ones with that skull hooded logo shirt. Yes, yeah and then and then Glenn Danzig split off and just became Danzig and he has a bunch of cool songs too and he uses a similar... Yes,
00:57:50
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um yes and he's hot, but then there's also those memes that compare him to Susan Sarandon, if I'm getting it right. Really? I think so, but I sometimes get Susan Sarandon and the other one mixed up, the one from Sigourney Weaver. Maybe it's Sigourney Weaver. I'll send it to you. I will. I'll find it. I'll find the memes. It's okay. Okay. So yeah in September of 1982, the Misfits were touring America and it just finished up a gig in New Orleans at a venue called
00:58:28
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Rock Stars' Wild Antics
00:58:30
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They were ready to hit the town, and a friend suggested they hit up a haunted cemetery nearby. So they did, and they made such a strummish that the cops were called to see what all their ruckus was about. Apparently, they were searching for a particular grave of one mary or Marie Laveau, a 19th century voodoo practitioner, yeah allegedly. ah She was believed to be buried in the Galapian family crypt, which I thought was a funny family name, but since I wrote these notes, I heard someone on a podcast say she married a Galapian or something. So I was like, it makes sense.
00:59:11
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um But they were looking for a plot 347 in St. Louis cemetery number one, which is all very confusing because this is still in New Orleans. I must say. But amidst the accusation, they were going to exhume the grave. It became apparent that they were nowhere near it. In fact, they were in St. Louis Cemetery number two. Oops. Because they're drunk. Yeah, they're just having some fun.
00:59:41
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A report from the Times-Picayune, the New Orleans advocate, said four members of a punk rock group and 14 of their fans, who claimed to be looking for the tomb of a voodoo queen, Marie Laveau, were arrested early Monday morning at a downtown cemetery, police said.
00:59:56
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um Sources also said that another band from Ohio that was there, they were called Necros. They apparently convinced the cops that they were uninvolved and not with the main group. Like we're just here in front of a breeze. I don't know. We're just a separate group standing over here. I don't know those guys. Yeah. ah The Misfit band members, Glenn Danzing, Jerry Only, Doyle, and Robo. Or maybe Robbo? I don't know. All were arrested and due to appear in court. But they skipped out on that and just went on to Florida to continue their next leg of the tour.
01:00:36
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Or I'm sure they did nothing stupid ever. yeah Not in Florida. Yeah. Nothing. Nothing stupid ah or bad ever happens in Florida. It's the most peaceful place to live. And I don't even think they did any damage to the cemetery itself. It didn't say that they like did anything. So they literally, it was just, they were like being loud, maybe. Maybe. and then orly I don't know. If that's the case, I've fucking hung out in the cemetery before. Like, I'm sorry. There's just not a lot of places to hang out in some small towns.
01:01:10
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yeah a um And finally, the room trashers. Who is the worst of the worst? I wanted the list, the listicle. Yeah. um Names come up, Keith Moon of the Who, The Motley Crew Boys, Aerosmith's Toxic Twin, Steven Tyler and Joe Perry, and John Bonham of Led Zeppin, or Zeppin? Nope.
01:01:42
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Famous examples of what living the party lifestyle entail, but two names stand out over all the others when it comes to being a wild man. The Prince of Darkness, Ozzy Osbourne, and the Clown Prince of Rock and Roll, Joe Walsh. um And as they said, the undisputed American king of room trash. Room trash. Oh.
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oh After betraying the befriending the likes of Keith Boone and John Belushi, Walsh made his life goal to not only make influential music, but also to set records for destruction. well
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sir Hotels all around the country began banning Joe Walsh and consequently his innocent bandmates from ever stepping foot on their property again after Joe did his thing. Hi Gordo. endless drugs and partying were only the tip of the iceberg. Joe had an affinity for absolutely demolishing his hotel rooms like no one else in history. Throwing TVs over balconies, cutting down walls with a chainsaw, tearing wallpaper, and lighting things on fire were all part of Walsh's redecorating methods. Yeah, dude, that's not okay.
01:03:03
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Um, they said he eventually had to leave $10,000 deposits to get a room, which is insane. It's poor bandmates. They didn't do anything. Yeah, I would. I would put it significantly higher and then I'd make it non-refundable. and like Your room is going to cost you $20,000 and you can stay here, but you are not getting this money back. He did almost $30,000 worth of damage to one room. Yeah, so $10,000 is not enough. He doesn't care.
01:03:42
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Then he and Jim Belushi trashed to Benihana and they wanted to be the cooks.
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and Anyway. A pretty sock. Yeah. Oh, I love it. It's so fun. Ozzy was said to have caused over $44,000 worth of room damage in a hotel. partying with guitarist Zach Wilde. um He also sent television sets flying off balconies and even nearly killed a man down below once. Oops. Shit. Oh my god. His first wife was giving birth to his firstborn child. He drove her to the hospital drunk without having a driver's license. Oh, what? He's just so lovable though. I don't know why.
01:04:30
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because he's all befuddled and old now, you know? It's a speech. It's terrible, but... um Oh, no. Trigger warning, animal abuse. He murdered all 17 of his cats while under the influence. Wow. Did you say how? No, I said wow. like Yeah, yeah. What happened? i i didn't I can't confirm or deny that, but if that's true, that fucking sucks. I mean, we know that he probably bit the head off a bat, but he did weird things on stage. I didn't know he was that crazy all the time. I know that Sharon had to be like, put her foot down. Sorry, snapping.
01:05:22
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Um, he also was arrested for urinating on a public memorial and famously drank his own and Nikki sixes urine at a public pool. Oh dear. That's an ad for why you don't do drugs.
01:05:40
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Yeah. Um, They there was a those two were named as the best on one list and the other list I found had a top five of like room trashers. ah It was Amy Winehouse in the London Sanderson Hotel where she had a fight with her husband at the time, Blake. and the screaming match had guests calling security, furniture thrown around and then $18,000 in room damages somehow. Bloodstains on the walls. Okay, Sounds like a Johnny Depp Amber Heard situation. I don't know. um Rolling Stones.
01:06:28
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might be the reason hotels bolt down their TVs these days because of Keith Richards.
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They grabbed a room TV, tossed off their 10th floor balcony. Ooh, that one was captured on film. We'll have to find the video. But yeah, I could see I could almost decapitate people. Like this is not good behavior. No. The TVs were big then. Yeah. They were a boob tube. Yeah. Um, also Billy Isle made number three, uh, traveling through Thailand, 1989 at the Bangkok's Mandarin Oriental, uh, over the span of three weeks, an oppressive bout of debauchery, sex and drugs bender allegedly cost $250,000. That's specific, but how?
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um trash's room refused to leave they ended up calling the Thai army who had to shoot him with tranquilizer darts to get him out i'm sorry that's that is kind of fun just the image and then pulling him by his feet yeah like they can't get one man out of a room so they call the fucking army right yeah like are all his cronies just there with him like no you gotta listen to billy um Then Keith Moon from The Who ah made number two on this one. The most infamous event they said taking place in 1967 when he was celebrating his 21st birthday at the Holiday Inn in Flint, Michigan. And he used dynamite to blow up the toilet and threw a five-tier cake at partygoers. Maybe not at the same time.
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When police arrived, he stripped off his clothes, hopped into a Lincoln Continental, and drove it into the hotel pool. That sounds fun. I've never been this drunk. Oh god. And then he... Oh, slipped on a piece... Wait. He must have got out of the hotel pool, because then he slipped on a piece of marzipan and knocked out his front teeth. that was banned for the lifetime from all holiday inns. I love it. And number one on their list was Led Zeppelin, i who in 1969 debauched the Edgewater Inn in Seattle, which looks the hotel looks directly over Elliott Bay and drummer John Bonham and road manager Richard Cole had been fishing from their rooms. Fishing from their rooms. Yep, that's right.
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The pair caught a number of mud sharks, stuck coat hangers through the gills, then left them in the closet.
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grows Oh god, there's goopies on groupies. Accounts of the party vary, but it seems that these sharks were then used to perform sex acts on various groupies. What the fuck? The sharks were later discovered all over the room and all sorts of furniture and accessories were tossed out the windows into the bay. But not the sharks? Much like the who, Led Zeppelin were likewise banned from the Edgewater Inn, though since that time Robert Plant has been welcomed back. Damn. Brave of them.
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so yeah
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That's so rude. That's crazy. I've had to clean hotel rooms, and it's not fun. You just don't want to do that to people. I can imagine people being nasty. They're like, I don't have to see who's cleaning the room. These people will never see me again. Right? I don't want to have to clean 30 tubs in a day. Because you know what? I'm not going to do a great job on all 30, probably. It's too hard. It's very hard work. Yeah. Shit. Oh my god. And I'm not cleaning up your stupid mud sharks.
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her That's gross. Oh, this was really fun. I've had a really shitty week and this has put me in a much better mood. Yeah, the same. Yeah. Even though technology failed us at first, we finally got it going and yeah. Yeah. Turns out I can really talk for a whole episode on my own one segment. I can, I can filibuster. I could go two hours now.
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No, we'll let you guys go. And we know next we're working on I think the Patreon, if that's right. That's the next one we picked anyway. Yes. Yeah, that'll be the next one to get released. Right. And then we have some like African folklore coming up on the main feed. Yeah, in August.
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We know, we know what we're doing. We just decided it right before we started talking to you. No, we didn't. Not that one. Not that one. That's true. We've been working on that one. um Yeah, life just gets in the way. So yeah, sometimes episodes get pushed and part twos happen and we appreciate your patience because those aren't always, you know, the funnest when people are like, no, give me more. But I don't know. We didn't leave it on the super cliffhanger or any of those. I just yeah couldn't stop talking about my possession case.
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