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Episode 66: The Indie Experience
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It finally happened, Garrett finally watched Marine 6 and he spends way too much time talking about it! (Skip to the 21 minute mark if you get tired of hearing about it) Also, we're chatting The Viking Experience, PCO gets a world title shot, the superstar shakeup, Derrick gets a magic KO moment and more!
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Candy-Centric Holidays and Easter Treats
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, a man who for the month of April has solely lived off of Cadbury eggs and peeps because he doesn't know how else to celebrate Easter, Derek Halpin. You celebrate Easter with diabetes.
00:00:18
Speaker
Actually, when you stop and think about it, we have so many holidays in this wonderful nation of ours that we celebrate by indulging in a lot of candy. Easter's just one of the many. But, you know, come on, man. Valentine's Day, Halloween.
00:00:37
Speaker
Actually Garrett, you made all that up. I haven't had a single piece of Easter themed candy this year at all. But I've really made you question candy holidays and it sounds like you might rank Easter third on your candy holidays. Probably.
00:00:54
Speaker
I'd have to think about it supposed to expect I was I didn't come into this episode thinking that I was going to be ranking the quality of the candy based on the holiday but obviously we're ranking Halloween number one just because of the variety and because that's my that's my stick right.
00:01:10
Speaker
Well, I mean, that is your thing. But I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if there was some specific Easter candy that you're like, no, I really like that. So I look forward to it every year. I do like this is something dumb. I do. But I'll share it with everybody. You know how they have the the chocolate bunnies that you can get? I like to get the hollow ones. You know what I'm talking about?
00:01:32
Speaker
Like the ones you can kind of eat the ears off of and whatever. What I'll do is I'll get a hollow chocolate bunny and I'll bite the top of it off and then I'll fill it with ice cold milk. Ew. And I'll drink the milk right out of that chocolate. I don't know if I trust you anymore. What's the problem here? If I said to you I drank chocolate milk, you'd be like, oh, that's a thing people do.
00:02:01
Speaker
Derek, I'm lactose intolerant, so any milk is not okay with me. But I love the imagery of you walking around with a bunny with no head, just drinking it and having your hand covered in chocolate.
00:02:15
Speaker
I'm not walking around while
Podcast Format and Listener Engagement
00:02:17
Speaker
doing it. It's not like I, you know, I'm not walking around my neighborhood, greeting people with a half-eaten chocolate bunny that they have no ideas filled with, you know, whole milk or something. See, that's the problem. You have to carry it around and just shout at everyone. It's got milk in it! And then take a drink so that they know how weird it is.
00:02:35
Speaker
It would actually be really funny to do that, like buy a chocolate bunny now and then save it for July and wait till it's really fucking hot and that thing starts falling apart and melting in my hand until suddenly it just kind of falls apart and a bunch of milk falls out of it. And I go, oh, it's milk chocolate. And then everyone goes, what? Guys, this is a podcast where we talk about pro wrestling. Let's get at it. Let's hit our goddamn music.
00:03:36
Speaker
Uh, I wonder if our listeners can pick up on, you know, the quality of the show based on how the intro goes. Like, is it gonna be one that's primarily about pro wrestling, or are they gonna be shooting shit about other things this episode? And what do they prefer, really? Yeah, who cares? This gives everybody a little insight to how dumb we are.
00:03:57
Speaker
Yeah, well, if they've been listening for a while, I'm sure they have a pretty good idea. Yeah, you have many hours of learning about what interests us, mostly stupid things. You know what does interest us, though? What, rate reviewing and subscribing to our show on iTunes? Goddamn right.
00:04:15
Speaker
I was going for a cheap plug right at the top. If you haven't done it already, hop on over on iTunes, give us five stars, leave us a nice review. If you leave the review, you know the drill. You can make us watch something or listen to something. Fuck, at this point you can make us do something and we have to talk about it on the podcast. If you can relate it to pro wrestling, I don't even give a shit at this point if it's related to pro wrestling. Derek, I did something for the both of us last night.
Review of Marine Six and WWE Stars
00:04:40
Speaker
Yeah, I've been waiting to hear about this.
00:04:43
Speaker
So, as you know, I believe it was Alex a while back, left us a review. Months. Months, oh yeah, this has been months in the making. Left us a review and told us to watch Marine Six. Yeah. I did it, Derek. I watched Marine Six last night. You broke the streak? Yeah, and guess what happened? Was it good? Well, one, yes, it was fantastic, but I accidentally bought it.
00:05:11
Speaker
You accidentally bought it instead of renting it? Yeah, on iTunes. You're lying to me. You just wanted it. And you don't want to admit that you wanted it. So you bought it. Because it has the Mike the Miz, Mizanin in it. Well, I want to go ahead and, yes, it does have Mike the Miz, Mizanin, Shawn Michaels, Becky Lynch, Plott, Jake Carter, and another former Marine, Luke Trapper, joined forces to rescue a kidnapped girl from a gang of international criminals, Derek.
00:05:43
Speaker
You see, I wanted to watch it. I will tell you this. First of all, where did you get it from, number one? And two, did you know that you could get it on Redbox streaming live? I did see that it was on there. I think it cost the same as it did on iTunes. So that's where you got it? Yeah, I just went ahead and did it through iTunes. All right. The movie is written by a Harvard graduate.
00:06:09
Speaker
does that make it better? I think it makes it more embarrassing for Harvard. I want you to know that even though I haven't seen the movie and therefore I have not fulfilled my obligation, and since we're going to talk about it, it's kind of null and void. But regardless, I did try to find it again in the other ways you can find it. I looked at Hulu. Guess what? Hulu totally has the Marine Five. Fuck yeah.
00:06:38
Speaker
but not six. So, you know. Well, one of the first things that sticks out to you is as the credits are going, right off the bat says edited by Chuck Norris. And you know that guy was hired solely because of his name.
00:06:54
Speaker
It's not the Chuck Norris though. If he, if they have him as the WWE movie editor now, yeah, something's wrong. But as far as WWE movies go, I will say this now probably ranks is maybe my favorite. This one correct. Yeah, no joke. The one thing that immediately shocked me with this movie is how it looked like a movie.
00:07:20
Speaker
like quality wise quality wise it looked like a film it looked like it could have been on a big screen and I was shocked what's fantastic about that that that says not so much about the marine six and says everything about everything else that they have produced
00:07:39
Speaker
that you have to be like, first of all, huge upgrade, looks like an actual movie. Honestly, the rest of their movies tend to look like maybe they went to the set of suits on USA and they were like, can you guys just leave the cameras running and let us film a quick thing? And they just use whatever set suits has and do it that way. They didn't do it this time. And another thing that usually bugs me with the WWE movies is you're promised a WWE superstar.
00:08:07
Speaker
You know, their cast is the lead, but then you watch the movie and they have so many other characters that are in it more than the person you're watching it for. Right. Was that the case for this? No, Derek. This one was... This one was all Miz and Shawn Michaels and quite a bit of Becky Lynch.
00:08:27
Speaker
And that's what made it the best one? Oh, well that and just a lot of things about it. This really was a lot more of just like a beautiful 80s B action movie. And I've really also had no clue these movies are rated R. So I wasn't expecting gore and I wasn't expecting profanity.
00:08:48
Speaker
Did all three of them use profanity? What's funny is I don't think any of the three use profanity. I think everyone circling them was saying fuck, but never them is. I was hoping you would come to me and be like, Derek, the best part of this movie, Becky Lynch says fuck.
00:09:03
Speaker
so this movie opens and this girl's jogging down a road listening to uh what sounds like radio on an ipod and you know in movies when the news gives you a line of plot right as the character is changing the station yeah this you hear the sentence yeah any updates on that irish crime family click
00:09:30
Speaker
Two seconds later, she's abducted by Becky Lynch. Yeah. So Becky Lynch is part of a crime family who has like a dad that's gonna go to prison and they've kidnapped this girl because her dad's on the jury and they're making him vote not guilty so that the jury's hung and they have to let this crime boss go. How did the Miz and Shawn Michaels get into this, you ask? Great question. They go to...
00:09:59
Speaker
I probably would have asked if you'd just given me the opportunity. Well, the movie starts with Shawn Michaels and the Miz doing some MMA together in a gym, and you find out that Shawn Michaels used to be like the Miz's sergeant, some sort of superior to him in the Marines.
00:10:21
Speaker
And Sean Michael's way of acting is say the lines as fast as you can so you don't forget what you're supposed to say. Wait a minute. What's his hair like in this movie? It's just Sean Michael's hair. They did nothing normal. Just a ponytail.
00:10:39
Speaker
Okay. Just a ponytail. I was hoping it wasn't short hair Shawn Michaels or bald Shawn Michaels. He likes to you know sometimes in movies characters like look around at each other and like interact with the environment. His thing is he stares straightforward and says all the dialogue really fast like it's an episode of Gilmore Girls.
00:11:02
Speaker
But first 15 minutes of this movie, you see Becky Lynch stab a guy pretty brutally in the heart, and you see Shawn Michaels grab a man and use him as a meat shield. And he basically just explodes as a shotgun hits him.
00:11:18
Speaker
How long was this feature film that they produced? Perfect runtime, Derek. Perfect runtime. Hour and 25 minutes. And it held my attention the entire time. And if you want to know what was going on around me, the night before last, I made my wife dinner. I made a late breakfast for dinner meal.
00:11:45
Speaker
And I accidentally poisoned her with eggs, bad eggs. So you gave your wife food poisoning? Yeah. Yeah. So we thought we thought it turns out it wasn't me. Turns out she's just regular sick and all these people she hung out with over the weekend have the same thing. But there was a good amount of time where people were questioning whether or not I was trying to kill my wife. I was I was not.
00:12:10
Speaker
So last night, I'm trying to tend to my sick wife while also watching playoff hockey and in between periods of playoff hockey turning on the Marine Six for 15 minutes. It was worth every second, it sounds like. Oh, it was. So they end up at this enormous factory. It's fucking huge, Derek. It says it's a brewery. Shawn Michaels and the Miz get hired to go in and get vagrants out of the building.
00:12:37
Speaker
The Vagrant being like a 70-year-old war vet who pulls a gun on them and all they really do is hand him a box of ding-dongs and have a very, very serious conversation about PTSD and just the state of our war vets. Which, great message. Wrong movie for it. Does it seem like a public service announcement in the middle of this movie? These are the wrong people to be giving me this message.
00:13:03
Speaker
And before I shit on anything else from this movie, I really want to praise the Miz. I want to praise him hard for this movie, Derek. His acting style is just smolder.
00:13:19
Speaker
Like, he has one face, and that face is smolder. It felt like I was watching Derek Zoolander be in an action movie. In the best possible way. How were Sean Michael? Oh, you told me about Sean Michael. How was Becky? Becky Lynch sounds like she knows how to act and looks good on a movie screen.
00:13:41
Speaker
Really? So basically what I'm saying is it felt like she was in a regular movie and they were in a slightly shittier movie. So she deserved better is what you're saying? Well I think it showed me that down the line you know we could see Becky Lynch on the big screen in like a real movie. Well good for her. So they go they get this guy out
00:14:06
Speaker
They don't get them out, they give them ding dongs, and then they hear a lady scream. And they- Why is that so important? I don't know why it's funny hearing you repeatedly say ding dongs. Because Sean Michaels says, I have a care package for him, and the Miz asks, what is it? He goes, you know, just like bread and ding dongs. They specified the ding dongs. I felt that it was important to include it. If Sean Michaels is saying it, I've got to include it. Is that product placement? You never actually saw him.
00:14:35
Speaker
So is that a branded name? So they go to this room and they ask this guy that they're with like is there there's there some who's in here and they say I don't know maybe squatters and they're they asked to be let in they say no so the Miz and Shawn Michaels do what they do this whole movie kick down a fucking door
00:14:55
Speaker
The Miz is always ready for action and he's always ready to kick down a door. You could take a drink every time motherfucker kicks down a door in this movie and have a great time. I might just do that. Don't spoil everything. Leave something to the imagination for our listeners, but kind of wrap it up and say, like, why should somebody watch this if they haven't? Oh, I want to spoil the movie. I want to say the end.
00:15:22
Speaker
Well, that's, that's not fair. I think, no, they've been waiting so long and none of them are gonna watch this movie. But I'm here, they might? Well, maybe you should cover your ears while I explain to the audience how this movie ended. Oh, all right. Ooh, this is a really important part though, Derek. I just thought of this. The girl is being- Your excitement. I'm so excited. This girl's being held hostage. The Miz is off to the side. Shawn Michaels is on the ground.
00:15:47
Speaker
And the Miz is like, oh man, this girl's gonna get shot. And then a bullet comes and just hits the guy straight in the face. Shawn Michaels is on the ground with a gun. And that girl, he just shot a bullet right by his head. He has a crossed eye, Derek. That is never hidden in this movie.
00:16:07
Speaker
So the fact that he had such good marksmanship and was willing to try to hit that shot, that is a pretty important shot to hit or the hostage is dead. You're saying the suspension of disbelief with pro wrestling is a little bit easier than Shawn Michaels being able to hit a target with precision?
00:16:29
Speaker
The next movie I'm hoping that maybe PCO is the lead villain. He would be a- he looks like he would be a great like German bad guy. But at one point- Well let's talk about something that you definitely want to talk about. Oh, I'm not done with the movie, Derek.
00:16:43
Speaker
Garrett, don't spoil it. I'm not done with shit. There's so much good stuff to mention. I didn't just watch this movie to not tell them about the fucking movie. You've been talking about it for damn near 20 minutes. I have stayed up late last night to watch this. Derek, they're in this giant factory. This factory is fucking huge. It is so hard to describe to you how big this factory actually is. And at one point they're like, all right, lock the place down. There is a minute and a half montage of just locking doors.
00:17:14
Speaker
And basically that existed to explain why of all of this giant factory they weren't going in any of the rooms. At one point, Shawn Michaels tasers a guy and he makes this sound. What?
00:17:35
Speaker
Let's see Oh Shawn Michaels gets thrown down a grain chute and I have never I actually paused it because I was laughing too hard He's stuck in this grain chute trying to hide and the bad guys know he's there So they just start throwing bags of grain down at him and they're just smashing him straight in the head and it quickly becomes comedy for me watching Shawn Michaels have to take these like 50 pound bags to the head over and over again and
00:18:04
Speaker
Can I please tell, Derek, the entire fucking, go ahead. The entire end of this movie, Shawn Michaels is wearing a shirt that says proud grandma of an honor student. Cause he has to change shirts and he's embarrassed. Can I please tell you the end now? Can I please, I've been waiting to tell you the end of this movie. All right, you got 20 seconds. This isn't even the end. This is like maybe there's like, we're two thirds of the way through the movie at this point.
00:18:33
Speaker
Miss dies, Derek. Miss fucking dies! Does he legitimately die? Oh, he gets lit the fuck up in a way that you're surprised that he's getting shot this much. He's just- He's probably happy to watch this. Like, it's a real, like, platoon moment of just his shoulders moving while he's getting filled with bullets. And he comes over to Becky Lynch, and in his dying breath, she stabs him in the heart.
00:19:01
Speaker
But this whole movie, I was having so much fun, and I thought, okay, he actually is pretty fun to watch be this silly action character. I'm ready for more of these, and then he fucking dies. So I waited until number six to check out The Miz in these movies. He's fucking dead now. Shawn Michaels lives. He saves the day. The whole end of the movie is Shawn Michaels fighting Becky Lynch.
00:19:25
Speaker
You get to see Shawn Michaels punch multiple women in the face in this movie. So you get to see an intergender match between Shawn Michaels and the man. Correct, and a lady that has no fighting ability that he punches really hard in the face later.
PCO's Wrestling Success and WWE Storylines
00:19:40
Speaker
Does he do sweet chin music? Not once! That seems like a wasted opportunity. It is a wasted opportunity. And I will say this, so you know, we've been ragging on Chase Owens quite a bit.
00:19:54
Speaker
over in the Bullet Club. I realize who he is. Chase Owens is the first guy in every action movie that walks into a room and gets shot. Every single time a guy walked into a room and you're like, oh, Miz is getting that one. The second he walked in, I thought like that guy looks kind of like Chase Owens and he is immediately dead.
00:20:18
Speaker
So overall, Alex, thank you for having me watch the Marine Six. I am the proud owner of it now. You probably stopped listening to the podcast. It took us so long. Hey, we waited a long time to watch this movie and I need to give people a thorough talking to about it.
00:20:38
Speaker
Becky Lynch stabbed so many people in this movie, Derek. If that's your cup of tea, you should watch Beck stab some guys. It is my cup of tea. I'm going to watch it. And now it's been spoiled. So sorry. You're not sorry. Don't even pretend.
00:20:53
Speaker
Shawn Michaels gets impaled by a thing when he falls in the corn bin. And the Miz says, are you OK? As he has a pole sticking out of his body. I was going to say, going back to your comment earlier, you said something about PCO needing to star in his own movie.
00:21:15
Speaker
PCOs get in a shot at the Ring of Honor world title. Can you elaborate on that and tell me what the fuck kind of world we're living in? I watched this right before we got on the phone. So at the last ROH show, it was a six-man tag between villain enterprises and the kingdom. PCO penned Matt Taven to win the match. What the hell was that?
00:21:46
Speaker
He hit him with the moonsault and penned Matt Taven. This was Matt Taven's first match after Madison Square Garden. Where PCO was able to pull off the miracle of actually landing his moves. So PCO's knocked out in the corner. Matt Taven is coming at Marty Skurll. Marty ends up hitting Matt Taven with the umbrella and PCO pops up like his weird undertaker.
00:22:15
Speaker
I like PCO's Undertaker set up a little more than Undertaker's, because Undertaker's too calm. PCO pops up like he just had a terrible nightmare and is screaming every time. Like it's kind of a hulk up pop up? No, he got knocked unconscious and he had a scary dream and he wakes up just like.
00:22:38
Speaker
And then he sees Matt Taven there, and he's on the ground, so he moonsaults him, pins him. I didn't realize this until commentary said it. PCO hasn't been pinned yet in Ring of Honor. Well, I feel like that's gonna happen. No, it won't. I think Matt Taven is not going to win any matches after his title win. He's gonna lose to PCO, and we're gonna have the greatest title run in the history of that company, and finally just put him out to pasture.
00:23:05
Speaker
Well, I understand that last part, but do you think there's a possibility that this is just a gift to him for being able to make it back to this point before he actually does retire? We don't owe PCO anything. I disagree.
00:23:22
Speaker
This is an inspirational story. He's giving you how many hours of entertainment over the last year and a half. Oh, don't get me wrong. I love PCO. We have laughed so much about it. I have given PCO money for a photograph with him. I've given back to PCO. We've talked about PCO. We've traveled for his matches. We've talked about him. We've given back to PCO. We've given him a business card. I think about that twice a week.
00:23:53
Speaker
Is that a pleasant image for you to come back to as seeing the co-host of your pro wrestling podcast walk up to PCO and be like, hey, come talk to us sometime. Well, basically you just looking over and being like, I'm going to go give PCO a business card and then running over to him and stopping him while he and Destro are pushing a fucking cart, like a bellhop cart filled with their goddamn batteries.
00:24:16
Speaker
Oh, God, that was a fun weekend. So Ring of Honor is actually going to give PCO a title shot. Don't you kind of want to travel for that? You laugh before you even have a chance to give a response. That says everything. I do want to travel for that. And you know what they should put PCO in if they really want to go in all in on this? Fucking make it a ladder match.
00:24:44
Speaker
If that guy's willing- You're trying to kill him now. He doesn't die. He'll pop up screaming and it'll be fine. He'll try to do something off the ladder. The bulk, the mass of his body will shift the ladder in a weird way. He won't get the air he needs. He'll kill himself and maybe the person he's trying to jump on.
00:25:06
Speaker
That's what you're asking for. You're that fucking asshole that watches NASCAR for the races, but denies that that's what you're watching for. For the wrecks, you mean? Yeah, sorry. You know what I meant. PCO is the wreck, man. PCO is the car wreck. He's coming to take you down. He's going to it's going to be a head on collision and he does not have insurance.
00:25:28
Speaker
Garrett, I'm a little disappointed because, well, I mean, I can't really yell at you too much, but I know you didn't get to watch any of the Superstar Shake-Up this week. I did not. For me, it's one or two. What are some memorable things that I should know about Derek? Because I have a feeling you're gonna bring them up. It didn't have Becky Lynch stabbing a whole bunch of people in the heart. It didn't have that. So I watched the better show. It's quite possible.
00:25:56
Speaker
It's quite possible that the hour and 25 minute piece of cinema that you checked out was the superior option. But there were some significant things that happened in the E this week, if I can call it that. Did the E give you a good experience? The E gave me a great experience this week. They gave me a Viking experience.
00:26:20
Speaker
The internet loves this like everybody is acting like they're mad and thinks this is stupid. It's not no, I think they're not acting I think I think There's this there's these little moments you get when you're watching the WWE product where you see something and you go That's got Vince's fingerprints all over it This is one of those
00:26:46
Speaker
First of all, I think it was a bitter pill for a lot of people to swallow to see them go from being called war machine to war Raiders. But eventually I think they got over it. They were like, fine, whatever. Not that big of a deal. One of the words is still around. We're good.
00:27:01
Speaker
Keep in mind, they have been down in NXT for a while. This is under Vince McMahon's umbrella. Ella, Ella. Hey, hey, hey. Yeah. Anyways, this goes back to the rumors that Vince doesn't watch NXT. I 100% believe that. If I didn't before, I now 100% believe there is no way that that just fucking slid under his radar.
00:27:32
Speaker
So they show up at TV and Hunter's standing right next to him. Welcome to Monday Night Raw. What's your team name again? We're War Raiders. What? That's violent. You can't do that. And he calls Bruce Pritchard over. Fucking Bruce Pritchard. Bruce, we need to give these guys a new name, something more friendly. How about the Viking experience?
00:28:04
Speaker
I love it. So it's Pritchard's fault. I don't know who's fucking fault it is. I just know that there was nothing fucking wrong with War Raiders. Why are you fucking with things that were not an issue to begin with? I really think there had to have been a space balls like conversation behind the scenes that led to Viking experience. In your mind, what is that? Well, it's like the, who's this guy? He's an asshole, sir. How many?
00:28:34
Speaker
when he's like, what is this? They're Vikings, sir. So you're trying to give me a Viking experience by being in the ring? Hmm. Viking experience. I'm surprised they haven't fuckin' changed Ricochet's name to Bounce and Aleister Black's name to Mr. Black.
00:28:52
Speaker
I'm into that too. I fucking- No, you're not. You're really ill. No, I'm not right now. I fucking love Viking experience. That's a catchy name. You didn't believe me when I told you. No, because you said you're not going to believe what I'm about to say to you. And you said, I wouldn't believe this either. But war raiders are now the Viking experience. And I had to read over that a couple times.
00:29:19
Speaker
to like fully process. I'm like, yeah, no, they are. They are. Is that a word? It's like, you know, yeah, you're right. They are a Viking experience. No, no, no, no, no. That's their name now. Well, imagine watching that shit live, like from my perspective and when their music hits and being like, oh, sweet.
00:29:37
Speaker
God damn, I wasn't expecting the NXT tag team champions who are known as war Raiders to be debuting on raw and you hear that music and then next thing you know, you see the graphic pop up. You see the name plate. You hear the, you hear the ring announcer saying the Viking experience and it seems like a God damn exhibit at a museum and you're just like fuck or an opening act for another band.
00:30:07
Speaker
How sad do you think those guys were when they heard that name and had to smile? Here's the thing that sucks. You'll never get them to just say that they were sad, but they were totally sad. That being said, I want a Viking Experience shirt. That's gonna be fucking hilarious. Do you really? Yes, I do. When was the last time you bought a WWE shirt? Just straight WWE. It was several years ago and it was a Sasha Banks shirt.
00:30:32
Speaker
Yep, that being said I've been waiting for a heavy machinery shirt Derek. I will wear that daily once it is available
00:30:41
Speaker
So for the purposes of this, just get this out of the way now. Let me run down the list of the people who got moved onto Raw, either from SmackDown or they're just moved onto Raw permanently. Obviously the big name was AJ Styles, but we also got the Miz. And then I was surprised to see that Ricochet and Aleister Black both are remaining on Raw. I don't know if they're gonna keep him as a tag team, they probably will.
00:31:05
Speaker
Well, you know, obviously you need you need the end experience to beat the Viking experience. Yep. Yep. You know what? Fuck it. I like that. That's that name is going to stick for me. The funny thing is, if they that I would actually accept that far more than the Viking experience, because at least it's tongue in cheek.
00:31:28
Speaker
It's like, well, what is the indie experience? Well, that one flips and the other guy hits really hard. That's kind of what happens on the indies. This is the experience of being at an indie show. I would buy the indie experience with a little fucking WWE logo on the collar. Oh, and then we get Alistair Black versus Randy Orton at SummerSlam. And he's going to kill the indie experience. He's no longer the legend killer. He's the indie killer.
00:31:56
Speaker
Jesus. I thought that was clever. No, no, it's great. Thanks, bud. I love your support. Fuck you, too. What the fuck? I don't know why you're yelling at me right now. Andrade, well, I couldn't do it a couple of weeks ago when it was your birthday, so we're making up for lost time. We got Andrade and Zelina.
00:32:14
Speaker
Mysterio, which I thought was really weird because like fuck he's like part-time Having a hard time staying healthy. The big one was the Usos, which I totally predicted but They've been on SmackDown for so long. That was kind of like I kind of had to happen And I guess following that they obviously had to send Naomi over there because they would have been lonely if they weren't together That is nice that they keep them together Yeah, it is and I'm assuming that that has to be in some sort of deal
00:32:45
Speaker
Cause they already wanted, like there was already rumors of them talking to other places. So, you know, if you take the guy's wife away from him, then.
00:32:54
Speaker
That's going to be a theme we talk about on this episode a little bit is at least negotiating, you know, the new WWE with your grievances. But EC3, man, what a long fall for him. Used to be one of the people who was the shit and NXT and then is just treated like shit now that he's on Raw, getting crushed by Braun Strowman and whatnot.
00:33:19
Speaker
Obviously, they're committing to Lacey Evans. Garrett, did you see they broke up sanity, even though they weren't doing shit with him? I did, and I saw that Alexander Wolfe left. He's no longer in the WWE. Yeah. Okay, so what the fuck? They had them leave NXT early, brought them over, left them off of TV, split them up, and fired one. Yeah. But they kept... Oh, and keep in mind, they...
00:33:49
Speaker
eventually brought up Nikki Cross. But they kind of kept her isolated from the rest of the group and they're not really doing much with Nikki Cross right now. But to split Eric Young, I mean, I guess arguably the most recognized name out of the group. Now he's on his own on Raw.
00:34:10
Speaker
but they also got Cedric Alexander. That's cool. So he's main roster now. Yeah. So they're starting to do this thing like they did with Mustafa Ali, where they're trying to one by one get these 205 live guys onto them. I'm assuming there may be a purpose behind that. If you catch my drift, they may be trying to phase out 205 live at some point, which actually makes a ton of sense when you consider they're moving to Fox in the fall.
00:34:37
Speaker
and they may go three hours, which would mean they won't have that hour for 205 Live. So just include small guys fighting as part of the regular show and make it just good matches that people just get to see. Correct. And I'll use that as a transition point to talk about who SmackDown got because SmackDown got Buddy Murphy. Great. Great. Great. No, the guy deserves to be on regular TV. He shouldn't be on 205 Live. I've been saying that about the Cruiserweights since the very fucking beginning.
00:35:07
Speaker
Well I was saying that at the beginning and then it just sort of fell off where I didn't care about them and then they finally built up some guys that we like but then are taking them away. I don't know how many episodes back this was but there was a time period several decades of episodes ago where you were pushing for me to watch start being a regular viewer of 205 Live but I'm pretty sure like the next week you stopped.
00:35:33
Speaker
I haven't heard you say shit about 205 Live since that episode. I'm sure when I was telling you to watch 205 Live that I also at that point didn't have like Progress's network and watching GCW shows and all this shit. You're saying you had a little bit more open schedule for wrestling viewing. I had more time. Maybe the weirdest thing to come out of the superstar shakeup and I'm hoping we'll get an explanation on it.
00:36:03
Speaker
Finn Balor moved from Raw to SmackDown with the Intercontinental Championship.
00:36:10
Speaker
But they never announced that Samoa Joe moved from SmackDown to Raw, which is what you would expect. Maybe they'll still do it. Maybe they'll do that next week. I don't know what the situation is. But in theory, if they don't fix that issue, that means that SmackDown can have the WWE Championship, the Intercontinental Championship, the United States Championship, the Tag Team Championship, the Women's Tag Team Championship, and technically the Cruiserweight Championship all touring.
00:36:37
Speaker
on the same brand. The two-hour show, by the way. So Fox was like, we gave you all this money, but we want all the belts. We want everything. You know what? Fuck it. There's been so few belts on Raw anyway that they're used to it. Now that they have the Universal title back, they don't get a mid-tier belt. But no, I'm actually excited to have Finn Balor over on SmackDown.
00:37:04
Speaker
And obviously the big big name from last night Roman Reigns I Guess if you're gonna move AJ Styles from Smackdown to Raw there had that was my prediction You had to have a correspondent move to balance things out, but I didn't think they would actually do it What would you do with Roman over there? Would you wouldn't immediately put him in the main event? Would you?
00:37:26
Speaker
Well, it's going to be hard not to do that. I don't know who they would give him a program with, but I will say this, and I toss this, this idea out to one of my coworkers today. You know, whoever beats Kofi Kingston for the championship is going to get a fuck ton of heat. What if Roman turns heel?
00:37:46
Speaker
Oh my god, I'd never even considered that that was a possibility. And steals the title from Kofi. And just fully embraces the role of, you don't want me to be the champion, well fucking tough, I'm over here on SmackDown, I'm the champion. He's too quick, this is too soon after he beat Cancer.
00:38:04
Speaker
It's the perfect time to hit the fucking refresh button. It wasn't like it was that long after Daniel Bryan came back from his fucking career ending hiatus before he was back to being a heel. That's true. But that's Vince McMahon's favorite wrestler. Well, I don't know. It'll be it. I don't know who I'll end up working with over there.
00:38:25
Speaker
There were, I got more people moving from raw to SmackDown right then I got from SmackDown to raw. I was expecting Nakamura and Rusev to go over. Who else did they get here? Actually the women's division on SmackDown got a huge fucking boost. They picked up Bailey and Ember Moon and Kyrie Sane. And they paired Kyrie Sane and Asuka together as a tag team.
WWE Roster Changes and SmackDown Moves
00:38:49
Speaker
That's awesome. Huge boost for that tag title division. Nope. Does anybody give a shit about Lars Sullivan? He's back.
00:38:56
Speaker
What did he say to Carmella? I keep seeing stuff where people tell him to leave Carmella alone. He threatened that he was going to do something to her. I don't know. Fuck him. He fucked up our truth and then looked like he was going to. It looked out of place.
00:39:13
Speaker
Honestly, of the things you just said to me, the ones that made me most excited are that Bailey and Ember Moon, specifically Ember Moon, deserves better than she's been getting. Absolutely. And I think this moves her to a place that she can have some time. This is important to us, Garrett. Otis and Jizz are a part of the blue brand. And they're coming blue.
00:39:40
Speaker
According to, according to Jizz. What was his fucking tweet? What did it say? Well, you texted it to me. Let me find it. I'll pull it up right here now on the podcast so that we can share it with everybody. For those who didn't see what Jizz of Heavy Machinery said. Otis Dozovich, who's the first- Otis Dozovich. The first line of his Twitter bio is I heart Jesus, and we've been calling this man Jizz for the last three months.
00:40:05
Speaker
No, he seems to be embracing it. So his partner, Tucker, who we refer to as Otis. If you're following along with us at home, good on you for being able to keep up. He tweets out, did you see the news? Little brother, the big boys, heavy machinery are coming to the blue brand.
00:40:27
Speaker
And what is Jizz saying in response? He says, I didn't see or hear or think Big Brother. Hashtag Tucky. I fled it because this oversized load is coming. Blue all over Smackdown Live. And then there's a fist like making like the jerk motion.
00:40:48
Speaker
He's come in blue all over SmackDown Live. Oversize load and come in blue. This isn't even fun for me anymore. No, bullshit. It's a lot of fun. And I just, I'll say now to you what I said earlier, which is that I would be more shocked to find out that he hasn't listened to this podcast and doesn't know that we call him Jizz at this point. Like there's like too many, too many references.
00:41:17
Speaker
He's just messing with us. Otis Dosovich, I know you're listening right now. You hear my voice. You're eating steaks, pumping weights right now. You know that we've called you Jizz. We know that we've called you Jizz. I'm saying it out of love. I enjoy watching you. I like what you do with all the vibrating and the sounds.
00:41:37
Speaker
and the caterpillar. Can you just slide into our DMs and at least just give me a wink emoji? Just let me know. And if you don't feel comfortable sliding into our DMs, get a little bit more intimate with us. We're pre-determinedpodcastgmail.com. Shoot us an email, man. We know you're listening. We love that you're fucking trolling us with this jizz stuff. There's no way. There's no way. We appreciate it. I'm going to tag you in this tweet when we, I'm going to tag you in a tweet when we promote this episode to make sure
00:42:07
Speaker
I want an email from Jizz so bad. I want to hang out with the guy. I feel like we're friends at this point. Would you eat one of those protein shakes or drink one of those protein shakes that he made? I would do whatever Jizz asked me to do because he's provided, once again, like PCO, he's provided me with so much entertainment that I owe him. Garrett, they broke up a couple other teams.
00:42:33
Speaker
Liv Morgan got shipped over to SmackDown. So they broke up a member of the Riot Squad. Chad Gable.
00:42:41
Speaker
that got sent over to SmackDown, which means his team with Bobby Roode, not that anybody gave a shit, that's over. Can I bring up a Bobby Roode match I just watched over the weekend? I was hoping you would because I felt like this is a good transition for you because you went back into the WWE Network archives and pulled up an obscure thing. You don't seem like you're very high on Bobby Roode.
00:43:04
Speaker
So what's weird is when he first came in to NXT, we all loved Bobby Roode. We loved the entrance, but did we love anything other than the entrance? Because I went back and it was, what was the section I found it in? It was like, I think it was called Hidden Gems. Yeah. And this was from an NXT house show in 2016 in Los Angeles at the Palladium. And I believe it was the main event. It was Bobby Roode versus Kota Ibushi.
00:43:34
Speaker
Is that what drew you to the match was the fact that he was wrestling Kota Ibushi? Yeah, that just seemed like such a unique pairing that I was like, you know what? If anybody can have a good match with Bobby Roode, it's Kota Ibushi. And not so much? No, Bobby Roode's boring. He's kind of the Nick Aldis of WWE. Do you think that Dolph Ziggler, when he worked his first main roster program with Bobby Roode,
00:43:58
Speaker
Do you think that his description of him as being nothing more than an entrance is pretty apt?
00:44:14
Speaker
It wasn't happening and all of Kota's kicks, you could tell there were about two to three inches of air in between Rude and those kicks that he's selling. And I'm guessing that Kota Obushi must have been told like, don't you dare fucking kick him. You're here temporarily. We kind of have an investment in him. Because did you ever hear the Kota Obushi story where he high fived Vince McMahon the first time he saw him because he didn't know who he was?
00:44:40
Speaker
but did Vince high five him back? I had heard that Vince was pissed and didn't like Kota Obushi, because Kota Obushi just went in for a high five, because he just thought he was some guy. Yeah, but you can't steal a high five from somebody. They have to reciprocate. If he reciprocated back, he's not allowed to be pissed. You can't tell Vince what he's allowed to be pissed about. I don't work for him, so you're goddamn right I can.
00:45:08
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Golden Star Experience. Get over there. Oh, yeah. Well, this reminds me. OK. After WWF bought WCW, you probably never heard the story. Did you know that DDP worked a program with Undertaker? I don't think I knew this. Yes. When DDP came into the WWF, like his first feud was with Undertaker. They buried DDP.
00:45:37
Speaker
They had like a creepy angle where he was like stalking Undertaker's wife at home and Undertaker just beat the shit out of him. Apparently, and the reason I'm bringing this up, when DDP met Vince McMahon for the first time, he walked up to him and gave him a huge hug like he'd known him forever. And apparently it rubbed Vince the wrong way and they made fun of him for months for doing it.
00:46:02
Speaker
like the wrestlers and Vince and everybody, and they buried him, and then there was no more. So, Kodo Ibushi got the DDP treatment from what it sounds like, although the difference is, I can imagine somebody walking up and giving you a hug and you not being ready for it. If Kodo Ibushi walks up to you and extends his hand for a high five, and you look at it, and then you go, fuck yeah, and you slap it back, you're not allowed to then turn around and be like, what did I just do? He tricked me.
00:46:28
Speaker
Can you imagine a more coda-abushi situation though than him not knowing Vince McMahon? Like that just from everything we've heard about him like him getting lost all in weekend and how if you travel with him you're most likely going to lose him at some point and he's impossible to find.
00:46:47
Speaker
and go to Obushi, who's in the professional wrestling line of work, not knowing what Vince McMahon, that's actually kind of adorable. And Vince's ego no doubt got damaged by that moment. Like later on, like probably initially he didn't think anything over of it. And then like at 2 a.m. in the morning, he's like, that motherfucker didn't even know who I was. He's like, I don't care for that Japanese man. I don't care for the Japanese, says Vince McMahon. That's why I'm gonna ram them all together in one stable.
00:47:17
Speaker
yep that's what is yeah am i wrong tell me i'm wrong pretty soon kashita is going to be their manager
00:47:26
Speaker
I am excited about Asuka and Kairi saying though. What sucks is it does seem like they're just thrown together because they're both Japanese, but they are such awesome wrestlers that they are an exciting pair. Go back to Titus Worldwide or New Day. There's this theme where it's like he picks an ethnicity and is just like, okay, well, they have to all be together.
00:47:56
Speaker
We can't have variety in there. It's gotta be like Nation of Domination or nothing. And you know when he says that there's a tone to the word they. Nope, nope, yeah. They didn't talk about that on the fucking last week tonight with John Oliver. They could've. I guess SmackDown got Apollo Crews and Mickey James as well. I didn't know that.
00:48:21
Speaker
Well, the important thing is that they've got Jizz and he needs health care. So, Jizz, reach out to us. We want to help you guys get health care. Let us know what we can do. Can we talk about something that's really important to me? I'm so excited, too. If people didn't see the first 10, 15 minutes of SmackDown Live this week, you got to go back and watch the first 10, 15 minutes of SmackDown Live this week.
00:48:45
Speaker
I did. I did watch it. And as I watched it, all I could imagine was how delighted you were or how delighted I hoped you were. I had so much fun, Garrett. Like if if that sports entertainment. If that segment is sports entertainment, then that that was I have no shame.
00:49:08
Speaker
you hear people use that term kind of like with like a begrudging sense of like fuck you it's not wrestling I don't know man that that was that was some quality shit
00:49:19
Speaker
If you missed it, fucking New Day getting interviewed on the Kevin Owens show. And Kevin Owens ultimately ends up becoming a member, an honorary member, to replace the injured Big E. At least for the night he becomes a member of New Day. I wouldn't be mad if this goes a few weeks. I wouldn't either, but I'm not asking for that, because I feel like I'm asking for too much. Well, I think what you're asking for is for Kevin Owens to turn on the New Day at some point.
00:49:52
Speaker
Well, we can talk about, you know, fantasy booking. That's not actually what I'm asking for. You just want to see more hip swivels. I just want to see more of that fun stuff that results in Big E coming back in a couple of months and being really jealous at how quickly they replaced him and that stirring up shit and New Day.
00:50:12
Speaker
Oh my God, and then we could have Big E versus Kevin Owens feud for a while. And then which maybe leads to Big E versus Kofi Kinks. I don't know, there's a million possibilities. I just know there were like four or five moments during that 10 to 15 minute segment that had tears in my eyes from how happy or how much laughter was happening. You're damn right, I can swivel my hips.
00:50:38
Speaker
Well, fucking before that, like when he shows off that he can fucking rock his hips, they both hop up out of their seat like they can't fucking believe it. And then he thrusts his hips at Xavier Woods and then Kofi looks at him and he thrusts his hip at him and says, yeah, I got one for you too. You're damn right I can swivel my hips. They give him the unicorn horn and he drops to a knee like he's getting crowned.
00:51:07
Speaker
I'm loving babyface Kevin Owens. This is a good thing to me. Right? I'm loving babyface Kevin Owens and it would be wrong of me to not also acknowledge on the other end. If you haven't seen new angry Sami Zayn, you're missing out on that too because goddamn he ends all of his promos with see you in hell. What?
00:51:31
Speaker
Have you not seen that yet? No, I haven't seen any Sami Zayn stuff since he's been back. You need to go back and watch his promos. They're not scripting him anymore, apparently. Is he wrestling yet or is he just doing promos right now? He came back the night after Mania and he wrestled Finn Balor. And then this week he did an interview segment with Alexa Bliss in Montreal.
00:51:55
Speaker
If not for just our listeners, Garrett, you gotta go watch new Sami Zayn. He is a mean motherfucker. And they're, like I said, apparently they're not scripting him. They're letting him go out there and be himself. And he's going off on WWE fans. Well, that's fun. Yeah. No, I will go check it. I've missed Sami. Yeah. And I'm enjoying babyface Kevin Owens too.
00:52:20
Speaker
just to change out of WWE for a minute.
Upcoming Wrestling Events and Speculations
00:52:23
Speaker
So last week- There's other wrestling product out there? There is. So last week I talked about that LAX versus Rock and Roll Express match.
00:52:32
Speaker
Yes. So coming up, House of Hardcore is doing a show in Nashville and they're running it out of the asylum where we just, I feel like I just kept going to shows saying this is the last wrestling show at the asylum. Nope. It turns out this one's the last wrestling show at the asylum. So it turns out you think so. The next one is supposed, they're billing it as the final wrestling show for the asylum and the event that is being billed
00:53:00
Speaker
is the Rock and Roll Express versus SCU. That's a hell of a way to go out, man. That's a clash of generations. It's Kaz and Christopher Daniels. Damn. I will absolutely go to that. Like after seeing this match they had with LAX, I want to see other people beat the shit out of them.
00:53:31
Speaker
And I say that in a loving way.
00:53:50
Speaker
I didn't book the match. I didn't tell them to do the match. They put it on and all I said is I want to see it. I'm going to go be there. And oh, Derek, another match was announced. This is in Chicago, May 4th, and I am strong. I just found out about it before we started recording. I feel like I might have to make a drive up to you.
00:54:13
Speaker
GCW's doing another show in Summit, Illinois. Is that where we went to Ring of Honor that time in that gym? I think so. I think it's the same place that we saw that one Ring of Honor show. But GCW's running a show out of there and the main event is Joey Janela versus Orange Cassidy. Oh shit. That will be so fucking funny and awesome. And to me that is worth an eight hour drive.
00:54:42
Speaker
You know my mom's supposed to be in town that weekend. Oh my god, can we take your mom to a GCW show? I will not take my mom to a GCW show. I'm not like you, Garrett. Okay, so let me take your mom to a GCW show. That's way better. That's way better. I finally canceled my progress subscription. That kinda came out of left field.
00:55:07
Speaker
Yeah, I feel like the show's almost over and I just wanted to put that out in the open that they finally hit a point where I'm not super into it anymore. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. It's OK. So before I because I did cancel it, but I have a little bit of time. So I went on and I started checking out some AAW stuff. The production quality on their videos are so good.
00:55:29
Speaker
For AAW? For AAW, yeah, like their backstage stuff is great. I actually, I very much enjoyed. I need to get up for more of those shows. Those are really good. Yeah. Hey, they got a new Heritage Champion too. Did you see who it is? No, who? MJF. What an asshole.
00:55:49
Speaker
He is. I was just watching him on the new episode of like the road to double or nothing, and his whole interview, he's talking, you know, he's still being kind of a dick, but it seems like he's being more honest. But he was chewing gum in his interview. And I'm gonna go ahead and say if the person interviewing him had been chewing gum, he would have given him shit for it. So two middle fingers for MJF. Sounds professional. Was he popping the gum like an asshole? No, I could just see that it was in his mouth. Oh.
00:56:17
Speaker
He's bugging me. Well, he's a dick. He was a dick to us. Yeah, but I think he would have given other people shit for that, and I think he deserves it, Derek. Well, maybe you can get MJF to listen to our podcast and have him slide into your DMs. He is not listening to the podcast. I'd be surprised if he was.
00:56:35
Speaker
I would be pretty surprised by that, too. I guess we'll get back to you if we get an email or a DM from fucking Otis. I hope we do. We need some answers, because it's getting out of hand. Peace of mind, we need to know. I just want to wink. I just want to wink like, I know you're calling me Jizz and this isn't just a really, really weird coincidence where I keep using the word come in weekly in tweets. Yeah, come in blue.
00:57:03
Speaker
It was because last week you, I think you used the words, code in the mic. I hope that made him laugh wherever he's at. Hey, I hope we made you laugh wherever you're at listening to this. You did make me laugh, Derek. I was talking to our listeners, not you. Oh shit.
00:57:24
Speaker
Garrett, do you have anything else to add on this week's wonderful episode? I don't. Get out there, even though I spoiled the shit out of Marine Six, I think it's worth checking out. You did spoil the shit out of Marine Six. I hope you all enjoyed the show. Please follow us on the social medias. We're at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter. We're at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. We're at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook. Should we start a Facebook group or something? I feel like it'd be easier for all of our listeners to chat there than it would be just on between all of these different social medias.
00:57:56
Speaker
What do you mean a Facebook group? We have a group on Facebook. We have a page. Yeah, but it's a page. You don't see the page. If you start a group, then we can like actually send messages and people see the messages. We should do that. Maybe we should finally get around to setting up our Squarespace. Maybe we should get on YouTube. Maybe there's some other shit we should do.
00:58:14
Speaker
We should do some shit. The year is young. We're gonna be doing more shit. We got shit coming up. We've got shit coming up. We've got double or nothing coming up. We already have our Survivor Series tickets. I'm probably coming up for this GCW shit. We're doing shit. We're gonna be traveling again this year. It'll happen. It's been fun, man. Take us out of here. Hey. Hit our goddamn music.