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Ep. 167 – Kingdom Wealth Exchange(INDXcoin): The Crypto Preacher the Lord Tricked into Fraud
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This week we’re taking a look at Eli and Kaitlyn Regalado, an online pastor and his wife who’s recent legal troubles surrounding their spirit-filled cryptocurrency debacle has gone viral in a big way. The Regalados are making headlines are being charged with fraud for selling a worthless cryptocurrency to their congregants using all the tried and true prosperity Gospel word vomit. They fleeced their followers for over $3m, and are accused of squandering at least $1.2m of that on their lavish lifestyle and, you know, a quarter of a million dollar home renovation that “the Lord told them to do.” It’s a fascinating story that we have a lot of fun with, and will continue to follow as the Regalado’s legal battle continues!
But first, we have to hash through a discovery that Sam has been aching to discuss: a 15-year-old Facebook survey that young Casey posted back in the day. As you might imagine, it’s aged suuuuper well…
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Transcript
Misremembered Bible Verse and Humor
00:00:00
Speaker
Man, I can't remember what the verse is, but he's just BSing. Is that what it sounds like? Like he's just like digging a hole in whatever direction. It seems like the ground is soft. It was something about it's one of these verses that you would know if you heard it, but it was something about like speaking wisdom. In your from your mouth and one of those ones, it's really easy to to take out of context and like apply to whatever situation you want it to work for.
00:00:28
Speaker
And in the sermon, he's literally saying like, and so you're hearing these passages and maybe you don't know what to do, but you read these passages out loud and the wisdom proceeds from your mouth and then God redirects it back into your ears. So you're feeding yourself. You're actually feeding yourself with that wisdom. And God is downloading the plan for your life into you at that time so you know what to do. It's basically like when you're thirsty and you drink your own pee.
00:00:58
Speaker
That's maybe the best analogy you've ever made.
Host Introductions and Hotel Habits
00:01:23
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome to another episode of Growing Up Christian. I'm Sam. I'm Casey. And I'm Jeremiah. And the boys are back. We're all together again. This is nice. Boys are back in town. Well, Casey, you're back in a hotel room somewhere. But yeah, pretty close. I'm in A-town. Cowtown. You walked into a freshly linenned hotel room.
00:01:48
Speaker
You're working out of town that got your hotel room while we were waiting. You were a little late to get this thing started for us. I texted Jeremiah because he's like, I'm ready. And I was like, well, Casey has to jerk off immediately upon entering a new hotel room. So.
00:02:06
Speaker
No, those are the rules. That's the first thing you do. And, you know, that's it. You can have an average, an average time that it would take you to finish, but that's an indeterminate amount of time. Let's be real. You know what? Here's the thing, because I feel that my routine takes discipline and I'm of the opinion that without discipline, there is no freedom.
00:02:34
Speaker
That's a me quote that Jocko Wilnick also says. He copied it to you. You said it first. Very seldom does he quote me. Very upsetting. Control is freedom. That makes sense. Casey, I don't know about Sam, but I know I don't stay in hotel rooms nearly as often as you do. Do you have an actual routine? Have you figured out how to make hotels less horrible? I never have minded hotels. I like staying in a hotel.
00:02:59
Speaker
I mean, it got old when I was traveling like three weeks out of the month, because it's just a Hampton Inn or whatever. But I guess I would go to the same style of hotel each time. Like I stayed at like Hampton Inn or Hilton Garden Inn, like whenever I traveled. And then you know, like what the breakfast is going to be and the general like amenities that they have.
00:03:25
Speaker
I always have way higher hopes for continental breakfasts. And then I'm like, oh, dope, free breakfast. And then I go and then I actually don't eat breakfast because none of it is very good. So I just it's not a free breakfast if you don't eat it. So it's not really worth it for me most of the time. But I did notice that there's it like I have figured out a you know how there's like the stars on hotels. It's like, oh, this is a two star stay or a four star stay.
00:03:53
Speaker
Yeah. To me, it's a one star stay if the room doesn't have a coffee maker. You use the coffee maker. I've literally never done that. What? You never, you never make coffee in a hotel room? Never. No, I don't trust that they've cleaned that thing. Well, like you wouldn't rather go get coffee at like a coffee shop or something that's been done well. No, no, you're a blue collar. You're a man of the earth. You're like full. You bring your own coffee, I bet.
00:04:22
Speaker
Aside from, well, along with discipline, guys, I choose faith over fear. You guys are walking in fear. You could also choose to bring like just an electric water kettle and just pour over and make it yourself, but I guess you haven't died yet, so it must be okay.
00:04:41
Speaker
I'm fit as a fiddle, despite all my habits. Yeah, which is crazy. It's crazy that you're still alive and with us.
Frugality and Hotel Charges Concerns
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Speaker
I'm always afraid because I'm a penny pincher. You know, I don't make the big bucks like you guys do. So I go into hotel rooms and I go, if I use that, are they going to charge me for it?
00:05:04
Speaker
Like when you see that bottle of water, it's like, if you take this piece of paper off, it's going to cost you $4. Yeah. I, I think that that there's like hidden charges behind everything. I walk. Same. Oh, I'll never use anything in a hotel room. Like, yeah. I feel good about that. Fear of being nickel and dime. But anything that looks like it's a treat for me, absolutely not. They're not going to get me that way.
00:05:27
Speaker
Right. It's just they're trying to pull a facet on me. I'm going to get an extra seven dollar charge on my credit card. No, thanks. You drink out of the sink. I will not drink out of it, but, you know, you do the sink drink after you brush your teeth and stuff. I normally when we travel, we go to like a Walmart or something and buy a couple gallons of drinkable water and we just like put them in the fridge at the hotel and take them with us everywhere we go in the car. So we always have nice cold water.
00:05:53
Speaker
That's a good point. I will occasionally drink out of the sink if it doesn't taste like poison. Usually you're drinking energy drinks, so I guess your concept of what tastes like poison is probably a little different. Because you're used to all of your beverages tasting like somebody dropped a battery in them, you can't even taste the coffee
Casey's Facebook Reflections
00:06:15
Speaker
in the water.
00:06:18
Speaker
He's also used to drinking Midwest hotel water, so it's already a low bar. Yeah, there's no fake sugar in it. Water tastes like nothing to me. To me, it's just heavy breathing. That's what it's supposed to taste like, nothing breathing. You forgot that water is actually supposed to taste like nothing. Okay. I don't want to waste any time here, guys. I got a Facebook memory today pop up.
00:06:48
Speaker
Uh, it was a note back in the Facebook back in the Facebook note days, uh, that Casey tagged me in 15 years ago.
00:06:58
Speaker
which it's cool we've been what we've been friends for we've been taggable friends on Facebook for 15 years so this is titled 25 things about KCG and this just I don't know what's in here but I just I know I'm gonna want to kill myself like to two entrances in yeah I want to preface this with
00:07:23
Speaker
I'm gonna come to your aid. You don't express any ideas or opinions here that we didn't all share at the time. I'm not willing to sign on to that till I hear what he's about to say. Did I have any advice for the blacks? You did.
00:07:41
Speaker
Oh no. Oh my God. You do your best at solving racism, maybe by like maybe the 20th thing. Also, I think it's important to note this was a popular thing to do like on MySpace and then it kind of bled over into Facebook. Yes. Everybody, everybody, depending on your age, it could have been your older siblings. It could have been your parents, which is a little scary to think about.
00:08:06
Speaker
depending on who is listening to this, like everybody did these. So this is not one of those like pretend you're better than other people thing. We all have some cringy stuff out here. Sam's just lucky that he stumbled across a little vein of gold. Yes. Now I would have been like 21. Yeah. And I was just sitting around thinking like, I wonder if people wonder about me.
00:08:25
Speaker
Yeah. Well, you were in a band and you knew people cared about you. You're like, well, I'm in a band. So naturally everybody wants to know what the vocalist has to say about everything. Uh, you also have some strong words for the gays. So to our gay friends, we know, you know, and we've all grown since we were 20 years old at a Liberty university.
00:08:51
Speaker
where our gay friends were required to go to gay conversion therapy when they had a soft out at some point. At least enough for Dane Emmerich to know about it and wanna ask them really pervy questions about what they've done with their penis in the past six hours. So, 25 things about Casey, here we go. Number one, I'm an extrovert.
00:09:19
Speaker
I love it.
00:09:31
Speaker
a heck of a lot of people on here that I met like that or in some similar way, LOL. You got to end everything with LOL or like pre emoji equals. Right. Because you don't want to like, you don't want people to think you care too much. Like you're doing this just because people want you to, but like, I mean, it's whatever. Yeah. Number two is I think I still do that. Yeah. This punctuation.
00:09:57
Speaker
You don't remember names Casey, but you never forget a face which is actually we found out pretty normal for everybody You suck at spelling which is funny because you're really critical of all my typos when I send you text messages now It's because of the discipline and the hard work that I put into doing it correctly and
00:10:21
Speaker
I guess it's disgusting to see that you don't share that same sense of resolve. Yeah. It took a lot of work to make sure that you're... I've spelled words wrong so much that my predictive text just automatically assumes the wrong word. One of those would be remember. It's rember. My phone thinks I only want to type rember.
00:10:48
Speaker
I have a friend who has abused their Outlook spelling correct so much. I had to help them install Grammarly because they couldn't rescue their Outlook one enough. They kept trying to correct the rules and stuff and it just keeps giving up. It's like, look, this is how you've been saying things. I don't know what you want me to do. So they have to run two spell checkers and they have to agree with each other like their sensors on an airplane to see which is the right way to write something. Just cross reference of spell checks. That's rough.
00:11:16
Speaker
Casey, number four is you don't like conflict. I do oftentimes dodge it. I'm not really scared of it so much. I just rather everybody give a little to get over a problem rather than have people fighting it out just to get their stupid point across. Everybody ends up saying things they didn't mean, but in truth, it's just what they didn't want to say out loud.
00:11:39
Speaker
It's so much better when people just get over the little things instead of insisting on fighting about them. Well, I might be committed by conflict a little. Yeah, I think Casey would probably still stand by that. That feels mostly correct. Yeah, I suppose. I do get very upset about little things though.
00:12:00
Speaker
I think I got a little preachy with that one.
Controversial Opinions and Personal Growth
00:12:05
Speaker
Number five is you love fish and you can't tell anyone why. But one day you woke up with a desire to have an aquarium and
00:12:13
Speaker
by golly you got yourself a really sweet 14 gallon nano reef tank with a white striped maroon clownfish a coral beauty dwarf angelfish a bicolor blenny and a coral banded shrimp an emerald crab a scarlet hermit crab two spiral top snails and a condylactis anemone
00:12:34
Speaker
And like anybody who's into aquariums listening to that will be like, Oh my God, that's way too much stuff in 14 gallons. You're just killing those things. Did you, were you actually into aquariums or were you just trying to be pithy? And like, did you look up all that stuff? No, I had all that crap. Nice. Yeah. I don't like fish. I don't have one anymore. We, we actually, we do have one of those aquariums in the basement that we set up like,
00:13:01
Speaker
over a year ago and we never have put fish in it. It's just a strictly water and sand aquarium. Well, it's funny you say that because your last sentence is that one day I'm going to design a huge tank of my own and I'll be happy as horse crap. So it looks like you still can fulfill that dream with that tank in your basement. Something to look forward to, I suppose.
00:13:24
Speaker
Number six, you're so stoked to marry April. You love her to death and can't wait for September. And not just cause I get to have sex, you dirty bird. Although that is part of it. L-O-L-O-L. Oh my gosh, you wrote all of that out. That started out so sweet.
00:13:45
Speaker
Oh, that sucks. Well, April commented on this too, and she agreed with everything you said. So clearly she was excited to get married. We've already established April's judgment was in question a long time ago. You were really looking forward to moving and getting a job. You like it in Lynchburg, but you want to make a good living and build a career somewhere. You can't really do that in Lynchburg.
00:14:11
Speaker
So reasonable, reasonable. So you went to the Midwest, the Mecca of America. Yeah. Yeah. 2009 Detroit. Hey, they were just houses were $3,000. Yeah. That was a good place to have a come up. Look, there were some perks to a massive recession where millions of people lost their jobs. OK, you could buy a crack house for the change in your pockets. Yeah. But you missed a great.
00:14:41
Speaker
I missed a what? Oh, a great opportunity to buy a snake infested basement house. Yeah. Yeah. They hit the aquarium analogy again. It's a little like hermit crabs up there. All the everybody had scuttled on and there was just shells abounding. Well, number eight is that you like tattoos and piercings and other people, but it's not your thing. You can't think of anything you want on you forever and you kind of just want to look professional.
00:15:09
Speaker
Hey, you look professional credit to you now. You stuck by that. You still look professional. You have a real adult man's haircut, which I don't think me and Sam are always there, but you definitely like, you look like you can rock this haircut for the next 25 years with zero problems and it's going to be totally fine. Yeah. That's a great place to be as a man. That's a perfect option. Even if your hair starts receding significantly, you can still do the same thing. So it's, it's really perfect.
00:15:36
Speaker
it's just low risk you know you're a low risk guy all around when it comes to your appearance yeah i just have limited uh limited things to work with everyone's gonna have to buckle up for number nine because this is where shit gets offensive oh boy okay i even considered just uh i considered dunking this bit just because uh
00:16:00
Speaker
This is going out into permanency, but I'm gonna read it out. Line one, gay people kind of freak me out. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt it. What'd you say? Gay people kind of freak me out. I have more and more friends that are gay, so I'm getting used to it, but I'm still kind of awkward, so be patient. I guess it's because I think homosexuality is wrong. Sorry if that's up. Like, yes.
00:16:29
Speaker
But I believe the Bible is inerrant, and if you believe the Bible, then there's really no way around the whole deal. Because of that, I'm not gonna vote in favor or support anything that condones homosexuality. However, we can still be friends, and I won't try to debate it or talk to you about it.
00:16:47
Speaker
Lucky you. Yeah, with most of this Casey, you start out fine. You're always fine for the first sentence and then you just kept writing. I know sentence one, gay people freak me out. He started out so good. I mean, it's not great, but I'm saying like, okay, for 2009 or something. All right. That's not like, it could be a lot worse. When you first said that, I was like, oh, I feel like that's for a 21 year old church kid in the late 2000s. That's not bad, but nope.
00:17:13
Speaker
Good on you, Casey. You kept going. Oh, yeah. I took the whole thing in your ID. You asked people to be patient, almost like you were like, look, this is just a hangover from my past and I'm getting used to some new ideas. And then you felt that way. He just didn't keep after like, I'm not going to vote for you. I'm not going to talk to you about it. You're my friend, but I would really like for it to be illegal for you to be the way that you are.
00:17:38
Speaker
You still get the pleasure of being my friend if you obey my rules. You know, you are asking a lot of me. You could still come to the show. Like, I mean, you know, I'll still respect you if your money still works here. I might sneak in some, like, references to Sodom, you know? Is that what that was? Because you got to share the word. You had a song called Sodom is Fallen, right?
00:18:06
Speaker
The fall of- Kept yelling at everybody at God. Pack this room to the rafters. Pack them in, you Slottomites. I think I remember something about that. You just jump into that Brie voice. That is untrue. Thankfully, that is untrue. Nobody put that in front of me. I would have sang it.
00:18:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's just it's untrue just for convenience. Number 10 is a bit of a palate cleanser. We are. Number 10 is just how much you like hunting and fishing and guns. So. Well, that's that's pretty much the new stand by that one. Pallet cleanser 11. It pisses you off when people talk crap about Jerry Falwell. I don't think the guy was Jesus. And I don't agree with everything he said. But come on, people. He was an old man. Imagine if your grandpa had much had that much authority. Would he be better or worse? Give the guy a break.
00:18:56
Speaker
Like him or not, the man had a love for people and he did a lot more to help others than most of us ever will. So shut up, LOL. Do you stand by that? It was kind of fun at the end. I softened it with an LOL. I do remember...
00:19:12
Speaker
having that sentiment. I actually do too a bit. I feel like a lot of the things that people harked on Jerry Falwell for, it was like were things that he had changed about.
00:19:28
Speaker
You know, it's like back in the day he said this or did that and you're like, yeah, that was fucked up. That was wrong. He did kind of own that and come to terms with it and try to do his best to resolve it. I think it's theology was still trash. I've changed a lot since then, but I can have a little bit more grace for people changing their mind and evolving as a person simply because I don't.
00:19:49
Speaker
I mean, we're reading 25 things about Casey and pretty much any one of them related to system of belief has changed completely. So pretty much stayed the same. You have not evolved as a person when it comes to hobbies. But here we go. You like Liberty a lot.
00:20:10
Speaker
And that I think of I think most of the people that don't have never gone to college anywhere else go to Hillsdale College for a year and then tell me what you like better. So. I love the false dichotomy there. If you go one place worse than this place is awesome. Yeah, believe me, I've done the research. Well, it was real to Casey, so it was real through Casey, you know, I know I like that.
00:20:39
Speaker
I liked Liberty too at the time. We've talked at length about how we truly enjoyed our time there and the people we met. A lot of our reoccurring guests have been Liberty alum. That was a time and a thing we did.
00:20:59
Speaker
we liked it for what it was at the time we had a good time and even this thing that were shitty about it that we didn't recognize as shitty then but just like i was just talking to a colleague about like the rules and stuff and how like you couldn't go on men and women had one or two days a year where they could like go on to each other's dorms for like
00:21:21
Speaker
35 seconds but the floor was lava and you had to keep the doors open and I and then you had a curfew I was like I I spent like once I got my license and my legal curfew was up I think you had to be like
00:21:37
Speaker
a certain age you have your license for a certain amount of time and I forget what it was honestly but at a certain point like you didn't have to be back at your house by midnight legally speaking and I like my parents were just like yep you can drive you're responsible they will just trust you to live your life and be a person uh and then you go to liberty and they're like you need to be back in the hall by 10
00:22:03
Speaker
And don't even think about putting a Wilson volleyball in your bed and trying to fake a person there.
00:22:10
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. All right. Next one. You're kind of a jealous guy when it comes to your fiance. You trust her completely, but you don't really trust other guys, Casey. Oh, man. And some probably don't. But if you've ever mistreated her, I probably don't like you much. I should forgive, but I don't want a personal vice, I guess.
00:22:34
Speaker
Oh you're a bat. I like the bat. Did I LOL it? No. No LOLs, dude. You're going for it. Oh no. That one was meant to sting. Yeah, dude. All right. I bet you knew exactly who you were talking about when you wrote that
Financial Decisions and Political Views
00:22:51
Speaker
too. There's one guy you had in mind. Do you remember who you were talking about? I think there was a couple. One of them was in Get Off Soldier.
00:22:59
Speaker
Oh, Christ. Does he, like... Was it Trey Falwell? No, it wasn't Trey Falwell. Is this other, like, big Frankenstein character that, like, tried to, like, take her up the hill and park and, like, force her to make out with him and... Which does suck. That's pretty assault-y. Yeah, you don't get to forgive that guy. And I won't, because I don't wanna. I'm team Casey on number 13.
00:23:28
Speaker
I'm here for you. What a white night. I really hope April appreciated the stand you took for her on Facebook. You used to think you were smart until you went to college, which we've actually talked about on this podcast. We all have had similar experiences with that.
00:23:46
Speaker
And you're like, you go to college and you realize that being top of your class in a school of 12 doesn't really mean a whole lot. 15 is you don't like guys who mistreat girls or girls who mistreat guys. I like the equality factor there. Equal opportunity. You hate dudes. You hate dudes that try to hook up with girls all the time.
00:24:12
Speaker
So disrespectful. It bugs the crap out of me when girls go along with it too. Girls, guys, save yourselves for someone who matters. Don't be one of those douches. I always cut it too early. I always think this has to be the end of what he's saying and that there's just another two sentences. So just to get this correct, you hate it when guys mistreat women, but if they want to hook up with a girl and she wants to hook up with a guy and it's consensual and they're adults, you also hate that. Now it's the woman's fault.
00:24:42
Speaker
That's what I would say because she's going along with it because she's by that you mean she's an adult with agency Exactly. Yeah, it's awful Yeah, but the worst is when the girls just go along with it because they're just dumb slots. So Yeah, it's gross. It's gross. Don't do it You should hate all forms of physical like
00:25:09
Speaker
Like a physical romance until you are married and then you should like all of them. You know, whatever your husband demands. Now, what's the date? Yeah. What's the date on this post, Sam? I mean, it's 15 years ago today. So OK. Got it. In January 2009. Yeah. Casey, were you living up to the ideals that you put in this post at this time?
00:25:35
Speaker
Was I hooking up with someone that I didn't think mattered to me long time? No, I was living up. You see, discipline has always been important to me and even so when I was 21 years old.
00:25:49
Speaker
Okay, so the fact that you loved April so much you guys are getting married, that makes you better than all the other people you're talking about in this, who you definitely know how they feel about the person they're hooking up with. Yes. Yes, that's well said. You pig! Yeah. If I can vouch for Casey in any way, I would say that hands down Casey was better than pretty much everybody else.
00:26:14
Speaker
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with that, just for the record. I'm going after the hypocrisy of this pretentious Facebook post, not Casey and April's relationship. Because we all agree that I was great. Yes, obviously. And you got pictures of you in 2007, and looking at the two of you together, and the y'all kids made it work, it's great. Because you're both making these doughy-eyed little scene girl and boy faces at each other. It's very precious. Who you calling doughy?
00:26:42
Speaker
I was getting progressively more and more doughy at the time. So was I. That was actually, I really thought that was like, I was at a low point. That was actually the highest point of the next 20 years. That was my peak physical fitness. Yeah, as it turns out, little did I know this small dip is actually like where the roller coaster pauses before it begins the real big downhill. Little did you know that someday you would think about how nice it would be to be like you were at your fat college stage.
00:27:15
Speaker
Solid transition into number 16 which is I have a big butt when I go to the grocery store I knock pickle jars off the shelf It's not small but also the pants back then you didn't really have an option like you know in case He's always had a donk and we've always talked about it It's true. He he clearly
00:27:40
Speaker
Took pride in it and owned it. Enough to push on. Knocking the pickles off the shelf or were your keys on a carabiner? Were they the ones whipping around? Casey was actually clapping his ass onto the pickle jars, picking them up between his cheeks and moving them to a different shelf. Exactly, yeah. Repositioning stock. You got to rotate. You got to shake the salad dressing here and there.
00:28:06
Speaker
That really sounds like a bad euphemism for something. All right, we'll cruise to the next couple, because they're pretty normy. Yeah. Number 17 is you really like your family. You talk about your sister. You do call her the pig, though. Was that a nickname for Shelby? Oh, I should have said it. Yeah, I still call her the pig. I don't know if we use family names. You can edit that out.
00:28:33
Speaker
Don't edit out the name you called her, but yeah, edit out her real name. Don't want to hurt her feet. Leave the peg. I just didn't want to like...
00:28:41
Speaker
throw your sister's name out there. That's not cool. I'm really scared. I'm just worried one of these next ones is going to be like, all right, I've been reading some crime statistics. Like, I don't know. No, no, we're getting good. We're getting good at measuring skulls. We got good at 20. So 18 is you want a couple of hunting dogs someday. 19 is you sold your truck when gas is expensive. I got that one.
00:29:04
Speaker
You sold 19 was you sold your truck when gas was expensive would still be worth the same amount of money today. Yeah, yeah, for sure. But you bought a little car to save money and then gas prices went back down because it was a diesel truck and then diesel dropped around 2009, I guess, because now your car payment and gas was more than your truck was a diesel and that was a Nissan Titan. Yeah, diesel gas one. Oh, no, it was a gas one. Jokes on this cool truck.
00:29:32
Speaker
I remember this orange like a burnt orange, right? Yeah, it was a cool color. Yeah, I do remember distinctly like how much I traded. I got for trade in when I traded that. I got like forty three hundred dollars, which like that truck would be an easy eight or nine thousand dollars if it was in good condition today. Like that's ridiculous. Is insane. It was insane like a year after I did that. Yeah.
00:29:58
Speaker
I think I did. I traded my truck in and like instead of just telling like all of my bandmates like, Hey, can you guys pitch him for gas? Like you could still be driving that truck today. Like if you hadn't traded it in 2009, you could have kept. Yeah. I hate conflict guys.
00:30:20
Speaker
If you were still rocking a truck from 2009, that would be sick. All right. Number 20 is where you get spicy again with the hot takes baby. He said, I'm worried about having Obama in office. I don't want to be taxed any more than I already am. And someday I want to be wealthy and I don't think I should have to carry the country on my back.
00:30:45
Speaker
Hey, Casey, how, how much did he get taxed as a 21 year old? You never, you never had more than like a 13 hour a week job. And you're like, I'm sick of this shit. You didn't even, you didn't even qualify for a tax bracket. You were mad. I've got this crazy idea. Maybe people shouldn't die in the street when they get sick. And Casey's like, I really don't feel like that's my problem. Darth Obama trying to take my paycheck and my guns.
00:31:15
Speaker
How old did you have to get before you realized you were paying more in taxes than you made when you first became an adult? Your total income as a 21-year-old, are you at the point where you're paying more than that in taxes now? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it hurts, doesn't it? It does suck. Paying taxes does suck.
00:31:44
Speaker
Well, that's fair. Now, to be fair, you live in the Midwest part of the society. So that's kind of on you. But but you're not wrong. I mean, I was going to say, like, we have infrastructure. And I was like, well, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.
00:31:58
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Probably should stop putting it on the short list. He had a few more sentences here and I think they're really pertinent to the conversation. He said, I think government healthcare is a stupid idea. Closing Guantanamo Bay is a pointless publicity stunt. Increasing government spending now is going to bite our generation in the butt one day. Please be careful, Mr. President and Congress.
00:32:27
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I remember listening to Rush Limbaugh and he referred to Guantanamo Bay as Club Gitmo because of how well the inmates were treated because I don't know. There was like some an article about they get a Capri Sun every day or something like that.
00:32:44
Speaker
Was that before or after Ron DeSantis showed up and smacked their cheeks around? I guess before. Yeah, I'm pretty sure DeSantis was still like jerking off under bleachers or something at that point.
00:32:57
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They rehydrated with Capri Suns after DeSantis took off his white glove and smacked them in the face with it. Sam, I don't think you're reading a news story. I think you're reading a fanfic, a Guantanamo fanfic page. No, wasn't there that like, wasn't it someone at Guantanamo come out and say that Ron DeSantis would go there? You have to back it up in case. I am honestly not sure. We definitely talked about it.
00:33:24
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I don't know that there's much merit. DeSantis would go to Guantanamo Bay. Yeah. I knew he went to Guantanamo Bay. Yeah. He was a lawyer. I thought you might go there like doing the weird glove smacky thing. No, not really. I'm just being silly. But then he was aware of the torture and that he was present for some of it. Oh, yeah. I don't know about the present for some of it, but I believe the rest of it, that's just accepted fact at this point. There's nothing
00:33:48
Speaker
unusual or like there's nothing surprising about that. Well, we take a lighter turn because 21 is where Casey confesses that he put his money into one of those Ponzi scams once, and it went south. Wasn't the first time you made that mistake. Or in that lesson. Now he only puts his money into 22 revolvers that he finds at pawn shops. Now that is a good investment. I stand by that investment.
00:34:15
Speaker
22 is that there's a few guys that you really respect a lot and what they say means a great deal to me. I, uh, I appreciate being one of those people. I'm going to choose to believe that. I was definitely talking about you. I was probably talking about Jeremiah and I was 100% talking about Jerry Falwell. Yeah. Great, Sam. We made the list. We did. That's all I came here for, honestly. Uh,
00:34:44
Speaker
I think world peace is unattainable, but I think racism will end when people stop taking themselves so seriously. That's the worst one. Call me Wonder Bread, LOL. Oh my god. Fuck that sucks! Holy shit, he sucks so bad!
00:35:14
Speaker
It starts out so normal. I think world peace is unattainable. And then you just take the racism angle so fast. That's amazing. If people stopped taking themselves so seriously, what would they have to fight over, you know? That's true. What are they mad about anyway? Oh, my God. It's just a little stop and frisk, guys. Wow. Oh, man.
00:35:46
Speaker
This is, oh man. You published that for public consumption. That's crazy. I thought everybody wanted to learn, I guess. Now, Casey, did you have any friends that weren't absolutely pasty at that point? I'm thinking too long, aren't I? Yeah, probably. Now, I don't, I don't mean that gives you like a pass to say it. I just mean like, obviously no one was in your life to be like, hey man, no, like,
00:36:15
Speaker
What's wrong with you? All right. Well, for the sake of saving you a little more embarrassment, we'll move on to the last two, uh, 24 and 25 are still very much you and things you would still mention today's day and age. Uh, 24 is you can't watch sports. You hate it. And you won't be watching the Superbowl. And 25 is that you found out Monday. I have the same birthday as Jeffrey Dahmer, may 21st.
00:36:44
Speaker
not sure what that means but hopefully it doesn't mean I okay well no okay uh hopefully it doesn't mean I kill any gay black guys you almost made it through that one dude you tried so hard
00:37:13
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They tried so hard. Oh my god. Oh, delete that. Burn it. Can you report a Facebook memory as hates each other? They take retroactive action against me. I'll understand. I won't go on Tucker Carlson.
00:37:44
Speaker
You can't go anywhere. That's the first thing that's going to get pulled up if you ever go on any talk show anywhere. Be like, Oh, so back in 2009, you said, do you still believe that? As soon as they back in 2009, did you stand up and walk out?
00:38:02
Speaker
Goodbye. That gift of Homer Simpson just disappearing into the bushes. A hundred percent. Oh my God. So that's it. That's 25 things you need to know about Casey. Those are 25 things he thought everyone really needed to know about him in 2009.
00:38:22
Speaker
I'll stand before all of you today and say that Casey's a changed man. Nay, he found true salvation, perhaps. And I do apologize. I wouldn't do eating gay black dudes any different than straight Asian dudes. Exactly. I'd try both.
00:38:43
Speaker
Wow, what a guy. And I beat the light. And they can call you Wonder Bread. And people can call you Wonder Bread. Oh, man. Yeah, that was so great timing that I found that this morning. I need to go on Facebook and I need to just check some stuff. Oh, do you want to know what your comments were? I forgot to look at the...
00:39:03
Speaker
the comments on it. There were seven. Your wife made a comment that basically was just, I agree, not your wife, Jeremiah, Casey's wife. Basically she agrees with everything about Jerry and also the gay people stuff. But that was par for the course Liberty 2009 for us. So we've all come a long way. This is as much of an admission of guilt as it is an apology for
00:39:32
Speaker
All of us. Well, I'll stop roping you into this, Jeremiah, because apparently you think you're better than us. There's a picture at the bottom of this, and it's Casey and two other people with their pants sagging a bit and their butt cracks hanging out. And I don't know whose butt cracks they are. One's Ryan, for sure. One might be Wes, your old boy Wes.
00:39:58
Speaker
Yeah, I think so. Oh yeah. Cause Jeremiah, your, your, uh, your comment was my word. Wes's butt cleavage is impressive. Uh, I stand by that. I'm good with that. You also agreed, uh, about Jerry Falwell thing and how people just go after him too hard and they don't know about all the good things he's done. I'll take it comments about Casey's butt. Yep. I'm safe. Yeah. Yeah. You're pretty safe here, Jay.
00:40:26
Speaker
It's like we're all stuffed into the same barrel teetering over Niagara Falls. That was a trip. That was a journey. I think we all know 2009 Casey better. I think if Facebook does any of us any good, it's to let us know how much we've changed.
00:40:47
Speaker
It's interesting to think back on stuff like that to know that we really all like that we held those ideas and we're flippant about many things that we had no experience with. And God, it's like, it's like a different life. It feels so it feels like when you read that and you have like a visceral reaction to stuff like that, you go that's
00:41:15
Speaker
But we felt comfortable writing and talking about stuff like that because it was so normal. And we were doing that. We were saying those things and talking like that around gay people and around black people. And we were just like, this is regular. We just didn't know they were gay or black.
00:41:36
Speaker
I think we knew they were black. A lot we didn't know were gay. And we also, I think we also always like, there were people on our hall that were like, they're probably gay, but you want to believe so hard that they don't want to be that you just believe that they're trying not to be so hard that they're not. It was fucked up too. Cause I mean, we learned after we left Liberty that like a good several of the men in our hall were gay that were just hiding it.
00:42:06
Speaker
Or not. They might have been going to those groups that we just didn't. I forget what they called it, but basically the gay conversion therapy group that we've talked about before. Currently, Jeremiah is sending pictures to Casey and I of old 2009 Casey in April. I'm frantically scrolling back through my Facebook posts from that era just to make sure
00:42:36
Speaker
Just double checkin'. Nice. Well, anyway, I know we have another thing we need to go through. Tell me what's hair do. Yeah, you're hair do, dude. Maybe I'll post that picture. If I get April's permission, I'll post the picture. I'm sure she's okay with it. But we have another topic to get into. Okay.
Online Pastor and Crypto Scheme
00:43:02
Speaker
So there was a story that's been circulating around quite a bit. I've seen a bunch of pages post about it and I've had several of you guys send it to me about an online pastor that has been charged in worthless crypto scam.
00:43:21
Speaker
an online pastor. So this is a church that exists entirely online. I really don't know what his thing is. I think he I think. Yeah, I mean, but it's been hard to find like any. I mean, he's been purged from some things, I think. And then others like. I don't know, there's not much there to go off of, but. It basically it says
00:43:51
Speaker
Online pastor Eli Regalado says he sold over $3 million in tokens to his community because, quote, the Lord told him to give his followers a 10x return. A 10x return? 10 times. I couldn't tell if he said 10. God wanted to multiply their blessing tenfold.
00:44:14
Speaker
Gotcha. I thought you said 10X and I didn't know if that was crypto speech 10X. I feel like 10X still qualifies, but okay. Yeah. So, so basically this guy and his wife, um, through their hat into the, the crypto gold rush with pretty much, is this their own coin? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So they, they,
00:44:43
Speaker
They pretty, they, I don't know, I can't tell how much they knew about cryptocurrency like before all of this. Like they obviously knew enough to like limp through all the steps to get like a coin set up and all of this stuff. Which is 90% of people who set up most, even still to this day, I think 95% of people involved in crypto don't know what crypto is. I'm not sure I can tell you myself.
00:45:14
Speaker
But you've sure lost a lot of money in it. Okay. Well, that's, that didn't make the top 25 list. So we don't need to talk about that. Yeah. I think that's why I've received this article so many times is because people have poking and prodding me, but, uh, so this guy and his wife set up this.
00:45:37
Speaker
a token and they tried to kind of like they they basically came up. It almost feels like they came up with the pitch and then made the token thing. They tried to make it fit around the pitch that they had. That's a lot of that's a lot of crypto things that that's also evangelical theology. It's just like, how do we make this say what we want it to? Maybe that's why they go hand in hand. It's working out. Did they have what?
00:46:06
Speaker
What was the name of their coin or are you building up to that? Uh, it's called index coin and they had a, that's not, well, it's part of the, part of the explanation for what it is. It is why it's called that, but basically like, so this guy in his, he goes by Eli, but Eli and Caitlin Morigalato, they had a few different businesses. So index coin was the cryptocurrency that they started.
00:46:36
Speaker
They sold it through their company, Kingdom Wealth Exchange. And then somehow or another, they have another company that factors into the mix called Grace Led Marketers. Kingdom Wealth Exchange in Grace Led Marketers. And Kingdom Wealth Exchange Twitter is still up if you want to go take a look. I definitely will.
00:47:00
Speaker
I love, I think nothing excites me more than, well, I guess one could argue that crypto is a way to subvert capitalism, but it's really just a reallocation of capitalism, if you ask me. Most of the people using it are just using it to buy drugs or trade it for fiat currency and try to get rich with fiat, which is what they wanted in the first place. Ah, okay. But I do love when
00:47:29
Speaker
when like capitalistic markets just when they just use Christian language to explain it as though it's like to grace whatever this or that you're like this is it's just it's so goofy sounding it's just you wait yeah it's gonna get better it's like when yeah Christians start TV shows or like they make a Christian movie or they always try to like use
00:47:58
Speaker
It's always the same kind of language that gets used. It just has such a cheesy, obviously fraudulent sound to it. Oh, 100%. They definitely did all that. Let me real quick give you the idea behind index coin because I think they thought they were just going to blow the doors off with this thing.
00:48:23
Speaker
So do you guys know what an index fund is? Like index fund for the stock market? Yeah. Yeah. I'm familiar with the language. I could explain it about as well as I could explain crypto. Well, you know, let me break it down for you since I learned this morning. He is clicking a pen right now. You said a Rolodex market, right?
00:48:49
Speaker
Yeah, no, so an index, so there's a bunch of different like stock indexes, right? There's like the S&P 500 or the NASDAQ and the index is kind of like in the sum total of the biggest stocks and they they look at the price and they kind of like aggregate them and and they have like a value assigned to basically that whole that whole group of stocks
00:49:17
Speaker
And, and that's whatever index I'm, I realized that this is, if you're in finance, I did text, uh, uh, our buddy and certified beefcake Mark peener to, uh, some like, some better language on this. And he did help out a lot. He confirmed that I was on the right track with some stuff and.
00:49:38
Speaker
and whatnot. But so basically like you would you would buy an index fund if you as like kind of like a retirement savings vehicle because rather than buying like like a way to explain like in the words of Donald Glover, this might help people otherwise known as Childish Gambino. He said homegirl drop it like the Nasdaq move white girls like there's coke up my ass crack.
00:50:04
Speaker
I don't know if that helps anybody, uh, but I thought it could just explain what an index fund is. That would be helpful. I feel like Casey, you put a lot of work into your explanation though, so I don't want to cut you off.
00:50:16
Speaker
Well, more or less, if you could go out and buy individual stocks from these companies, but they swing. If you had a whole bunch of Tesla stock in the past couple of months here, you would probably have lost a lot of money because it's swung quite a bit. Like a big deck. Instead of having all these individual stocks, you're basically banking on the group.
00:50:45
Speaker
the overall value of that whole market. So it's not a fast way to make money, but it's a stable way to make money. And so that's why it's like a long-term savings thing. Those are index funds. Jeremiah, do you have anything to add?
00:51:03
Speaker
That's more or less correct. The idea is that you're not smart enough to pick individual stocks to beat the stock market because almost no one is, including most professional financial advisors, almost all of them. So by buying into an index, like let's say it's an S&P 500, it's just going to be built up of stocks that are in the S&P 500 publicly traded companies, and it's going to be constantly rebalanced. So you won't do any better than the S&P 500.
00:51:26
Speaker
but you will do pretty much exactly the same as the S&P 500 and it just makes it so you don't have to think about it. Like it's what most people should be investing in would be a mutual fund that is an index of some kind like for just general investment stuff that's going to be smart for most people. And there's like international index funds and domestic ones and like you don't have to
00:51:46
Speaker
just do the NASDAQ or the S&P 500, but like if you did nothing but that, you would be in better shape than most people who are paying a financial advisor, like one to 2% to do a worse job with their money. So yeah, it basically it's a combination of all of the biggest, most popular things. So it's going to be most heavily weighted towards Apple and Netflix and Facebook stock and whatever. They're going to make up a big part of it.
00:52:08
Speaker
for those companies are also doing well. And if they start doing less, well, like Tesla stock has had some ups and downs, you know, the index will buy or sell more of that to keep it rebalanced. Gotcha. Yeah. And if you if you buy into an index fund, like, you're basically like Jeremiah said, you're, you're handing it over to somebody else to manage basically, you're investing in a fund that's managed by someone, it's a big group of stocks that's owned by the by the conglomerate, right?
00:52:38
Speaker
So they – so the Regalados tried to take that idea and flip it towards crypto. So index coin is – It's like a record label for crypto.
00:52:53
Speaker
Man. Gosh, I can tell you useful references. Yes. Yeah. It's like it's like insurance for crypto. It's bad because I'm as as many white men. I have this compulsion to like when someone says something wrong, I want to explain the right version and it's just it's really eating me up right now because I know Sam is just trolling. Yes. But I still want to explain it. I know.
00:53:19
Speaker
Know I can see it in your face. I see the pain Every time I say wrong things. I see you get so angry Sorry, so the regal autos tried to start index coin as like it's a it's an index fund for crypto basically, they would take the the the value of the top 100 crypto currencies at any given point which you know
00:53:48
Speaker
in the stock market, the companies would go up and down, but it would still be the same companies, pretty much, I would imagine, in the fund. They were like, well, crypto's come and go, so we'll always take the value from the top 100. So there will be ones coming and going, that's the idea behind how an index works, is the ones in the top one or two, they're not going to be moving around. But yeah, the ones in the bottom 50, they probably are getting cycled out pretty frequently. The problem with doing that for crypto
00:54:17
Speaker
is crypto will like a stock will go up 16,000% in the first week and then it'll drop off like an index is based around like money can only move but so fast and crypto is based around memes. And so that's just also crypto is really easy to manipulate with like pump and dump schemes and stuff every time a new coin gets created. So by setting up an index that's supposed to automatically track this stuff like you're basically just inviting it to get pumped and dumped.
00:54:44
Speaker
Hey, that's why index coin is so important because it offers you a stable investment vehicle rather than these very volatile cryptocurrencies. And they have a lot of really fun, you know, businessy, smart sounding language.
00:55:04
Speaker
That basically makes no sense about how this all works and how they do it and the stuff that the core problem with index coin is that they don't own any of these coins.
00:55:20
Speaker
They have no assets that all of this is based off of. They're just running a simple equation on these top 100 cryptocurrencies and being like, it's worth that. Wait, so what is worth? Are people giving them money? Yeah, so they actually sold these coins to their followers and parishioners and whatnot.
00:55:47
Speaker
And people own these coins that have nothing – there's nothing back – there's nothing there. You probably said this. I think I just figured out the missing piece that I was having, so in case this helps any of the listeners, I'm just going to assume that they're equally as dumb as me. It'll help me, so I'm excited for this. Okay, so like a normal index, you are actually buying all those stocks and stuff.
00:56:07
Speaker
There's no relationship between the index coin and all of these cryptocurrencies. They're just doing the math on what those cryptos are worth right now and saying this is how much our coin costs.
00:56:18
Speaker
Ding, ding, ding, ding. It's so obviously dumb. That doesn't sound like though, that doesn't sound like it's an actual like, blazed off blockchain, though. That sounds like it's literally just a digital token. They're like, how many of these bad boys do we need to create? Like, how do they manage the value of people buying and selling this stuff?
00:56:40
Speaker
Cause that's funny. You should ask. Okay. Let's just, okay. I'm not exactly sure where all these sound clips fit in, but they're all fun. So let's, uh, let's just jump into what maybe we should lead off with a word of prayer. Okay. When just, we're going to just pray over this.
00:56:56
Speaker
The sound's gone.
00:57:12
Speaker
And as a group, as your ecclesia, as the church, we just come into agreement that it is already done. And I release and impart this faith into everyone watching that you're gonna lift us up to show us what is possible with two people as long as they just believe, just believe. And so we just impart that to them, everyone watching so that you can call and just put that call in their life to have them start making amazing faith moves in their own life to transform their families, their communities, their nations,
00:57:41
Speaker
We believe and we receive in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. The nation's even who he doesn't like. Is this during a pitch at a church? Is this a live stream? He said he was an online pastor. This this one is during a live stream update on Twitter. Fantastic. That I found on the on the Kingdom Wealth Exchange Twitter page about how how long ago was this?
00:58:10
Speaker
Well, that's part of the fun, so there's not tons and tons that you can go back to here, but as you could – like all these news articles are from December 18th is what one of these ones that I'm looking at is. Let's see. Where's one of the other ones? January 29th. Okay, so this is this month that this fell apart, right?
00:58:33
Speaker
The update video that we're listening to the prayer from here is from March 7th of last year Okay, so this is all pretty pretty recent wait last year That's after like crypto was not doing amazing during this time period so they picked a great time to get to this market cryptos that You know didn't have Christ at the center That's a good point. That's why I pick Christ. Oh coin. Oh
00:58:59
Speaker
It would have been a more fun name. Yeah, they really should have picked a more fun name for it You know that really like drove the message home So Yeah in this in this update He's uh, he's basically going through a couple of different things. So at this point they hadn't actually like opened Sales on the coins. They're still trying to get everything lined out and they're having trouble with you know
00:59:28
Speaker
To cover legitimate parts of it. Like they start off by being like, we went through a security audit, like this very rigorous security audit. And it's tough. This is what they submit to the biggest tokens out there too.
00:59:45
Speaker
We had a couple of things that were an issue, but thank God we passed with flying colors and we are just thanking God and we're trusting him that the bank investment will follow because the next update was like banks told us no.
01:00:03
Speaker
But that was okay because right from the beginning, right from the beginning of this project, of this plan, of these seeds that we've sown, we have asked God, we've said, Lord, we want you to open doors, but we want you to close the wrong doors. And thank God that these wrong doors have been closed because we are not in a hurry. We want to do this the right way, the kingdom way. Are these actual quotes or are you just riffing at this point? Because I'm honestly not sure. This all sounds like it could 100% be true.
01:00:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's more or less direct. Fantastic. Okay. I'm carrying the spirit of their announcement. So banks told them this is a stupid idea and we don't want to support it, but that doesn't matter because the Lord told them this is going to totally work. And God knows better than banks because the way the Lord isn't the way of man and the finances of the Lord are not the finances of man. Didn't he say something to one of the clips? He said something about like the Lord's doing a new thing here.
01:01:03
Speaker
Oh yeah, absolutely. Well, this kind of ties into what Sam was saying here. All right, of course. Yes, Satan, we bind you in Jesus' name. We're going to get this message across. We are getting this message across because they had audio problems. So let me kind of just get that back a slide. So the Lord has been showing us sin is not master over us, for we are not under lava, under grace. And we know what sin is. Sin is missing the mark, right? So we're like, yeah, Lord, you know, we get it. We're not, you know, we get it. We're under grace.
01:01:32
Speaker
the Lord says no there's more because whatever is not from faith is sin and sin is really just missing the mark so you have i don't think he said that everything that he has planned for you this project uh everyone connected to this project don't be bound by missing it
01:01:48
Speaker
and he says and how you miss it is if you're not operating in faith and i'm like okay lord yep i get that and it says in second Corinthians 5 or 7 for we walk by faith not by sight now if we were walking by sight guys i mean we would have given up on this thing a long time ago this is if this sounds complicated and difficult this is the most um
01:02:10
Speaker
It doesn't sound complicated. We're out there slaving away on it, but it's, it's, you have to completely like just stop looking at what the world says and only focus on what he's saying because we're- Which is buy crypto. Yeah. Buy high, sell low. No, wait. Buy low, sell high.
01:02:31
Speaker
Well, no, I mean, if you're taking most crypto advice, you were right the first time, Sam. I think it's just amazing. Like he literally just says, like, he's essentially saying people are going to tell you this is a dumb idea, but with the Lord.
01:02:46
Speaker
wants you to do a dumb idea. People are gonna say you don't have the money for this. Is that the faith thing to do? Like this is exactly the same as prosperity gospel preachers that go to a church and are convincing people to like sow faith seeds into their traveling ministry by like giving up their rent checks. It's the exact same thing. It's just like anybody who tells you, you know, anyone who's a doubter is a hater and they're wrong because Jesus told me to do this, I think. We bind you, Satan. We bind you, Satan.
01:03:16
Speaker
I love that. I love the declarations of bounding. Which was literally just because they had an audio problem. Their microphone cut out for a second and that's why she had to bind the scene.
01:03:32
Speaker
No, when I got like sucked into the charismatic Christian world, even in their prayer, a lot of the, there's a lingo that works for that environment. And of course you can have authentic players
01:03:51
Speaker
In that world and I think when I was there are still some people I would vouch for from when I was in it as people I I think were great people but that like There's a cadence. I think the cadence is triggering where it's just like
01:04:08
Speaker
Yes. In the name of this, we bind this and that. And you say the same words. It's improv prayer voice. Yeah. I think like we all recognize it. Like you can just tell when someone they're just riffing. They're just letting the spirit lead them. Yes, Father. It's like the more father gods there are the like the more they're coming up with it on the floor. Yes. It's the arms and hands of prayers. You just father, God, Father, God.
01:04:36
Speaker
I think of prayer is like one of those carnival games, you know, with the little jockey on the horse and you got to shoot the water pistol into the hole, right? And every time you hit the hole, that's a Father God pushing your prayers closer to the Lord. Hmm. That's a surprisingly good analogy. It's like if you can just throw enough in, maybe God will forgive your crushing medical debt.
01:05:05
Speaker
Probably not. So Casey, was he recommending like, was there a certain like seed amount people were supposed to be putting in or like, well, you know, what were they recommending? Like how much was a coin trading? Well, trading for how much were they selling coins for at the time? I couldn't, I couldn't find like a graph value. Like all of that stuff's been pulled from their website and whatnot. So like I wasn't able to, and I don't, I don't think that this was like something that you could just go on, you know,
01:05:33
Speaker
Coinbase or something and buy. I think you were basically just PayPal-ing him money or something. Yeah, because it wasn't actually an exchange traded thing, was it? Because he made a money order with three proofs of purchase to. Yeah, you send you send your box tops from your box of frosted mini wheats. And he gives you a tie. Yeah, it couldn't have been.
01:06:01
Speaker
something you actually bought on the crypto market. If he's just valuing his coin based on what the top ones are without actually buying them and owning them at that cost, he's literally just saying it's worth this much and he'll fluctuate it. But it's all just free money coming into him with
01:06:22
Speaker
with nothing to sell or buy again. And to clarify, yeah, was it ever on any exchange whatsoever? Like, was it an actual crypto that you could send to people from wallet to wallet? I don't know. I mean, I don't think so. But you know how like, so
01:06:39
Speaker
there's a billion cryptocurrencies. I don't think it's any big deal to start one, but most of them aren't available on an actual exchange. You have to buy them through wallet trades and whatnot, I think.
01:06:54
Speaker
But you don't get to set a crypto coin. You'll get to set the cost of it based on valuing other crypto. Like you can't be like, this is a crypto coin for this. Like there's something there. There is no market cap. There was the algorithm by which your coin cost is.
01:07:14
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It's supposed to be based off how we demand. It's supposed to be off supply and demand like any other commodity. It's just that there's a fixed amount of it for, I say, quote, real crypto currencies, like something like Bitcoin, where there is a finite amount of Bitcoin, like fundamentally in the way this design, you can't just make more Bitcoin.
01:07:30
Speaker
One of the things that made Dogecoin so stupid was they were just literally making more Dogecoin, like it's called minting it. They could just keep cranking it out. It wasn't actually a limited currency, which meant it was always going to stay devalued besides the fact that it was based on memes, like setting that aside. I mean, like I don't know that it was stupid. You could buy like an AMC ticket with it.
01:07:50
Speaker
But the fact that Bitcoin has largely gone up in value, of course, with lots of fluctuations, is because it gets progressively harder to get more of it as people keep mining it. So it becomes rarer and rarer to get new stuff and more of it's just being held in people's wallets. Whether or not you think crypto is stupid, it's an actual limited digital commodity, and that's why it goes up in value. Something like this, I'm willing to bet,
01:08:13
Speaker
They're just minting as much of it as they want to, and there's absolutely nothing. It's literally just money printing for digital money, and there is no value set based on that. They at least said that they were limiting the quantities. There's a clip in here. I don't know if this is one that came through. Oh, wait. This might be the one.
01:08:41
Speaker
Well, hang on before we get to that, here's, here's one more from, uh, from this update, uh, where they were talking about like, you know, liquidity and get how you need to get in, you know, and trust God and whatnot. All right. Of course. Yes. Satan, we bind you in Jesus name. We're going to get this message across. We do this one. Okay.
01:09:05
Speaker
But I do appreciate the extra bindings of Satan that I feel like is helping us here now. It's best just to throw in an extra one, I suppose. Here we go. And we're asking you to just just partner with us with your faith. OK, because the Lord says you've been giving people updates on with a coin and everything else, but show them what's behind this. It's not Eli and Caitlin. He wants to use this as an example because it's not difficult. God's ways are not difficult at all. We don't.
01:09:35
Speaker
We don't struggle day to day like, Oh my gosh, how are we going to get this done? We don't work 90 hours a week. In fact, we put our family first. God wants us to teach you guys how we're doing this. So you can teach others how to expand because what index coin is going to be, it's going to be a seed, right? Many of you are coming in to this.
01:09:55
Speaker
And you participate in the, you know, friends and family, the private sale, or you have, you're going to get some airdrop to you if you were involved with the referral contest. And what this is, this is a seed that God is going to multiply in your lives. He's going to give you wisdom and insight on how to plant this seed and actually do something with it.
01:10:12
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that causes you to prosper in this life. Because when you prosper, when you start prospering God's ways, you pull everyone with you. Everyone that's attached to you in your circle gets pulled with you. Our entire family has ended up getting saved over this project. So... Oh! What? Now I see why it's so important.
01:10:37
Speaker
This is like somebody was listening to Kenneth Copeland. It was like, wait, you know about crypto yet? Like, that's that's literally what this is. I like that in this world, all seeds are good seeds. It's no one's growing poison ivy. No one's growing deadly mushrooms. You know, well, I guess that's a fungus. It's such a good point. But all seeds are good seeds when you're talking Christian schemes. My boy is so in spores, dude.
01:11:08
Speaker
Hell yeah. I'm sorry to the listeners that this is disorganized, but I was trying to put this together as I was- Yeah, this is an investigative podcast series. We're making fun of an idiot. Yeah. The investigative journalism has already been done. You can find a Reuters article about it, I'm sure, but we're just goofing on some dumb motherfucker who put too much shit on the internet and didn't leave enough room for plausible deniability.
01:11:36
Speaker
Now, Casey, do you have some more info about that very interesting tidbit about his whole family got saved through this process? Oh, no. As far as I know, that's the only reference. Any references to his personal life and how this has helped him spiritually are pretty... They're touch and go. They come up once. They're not stories that stand the test of time, I guess. Yeah, I'm sure whatever they are, they're all very true. So I'm not concerned about it. Yeah.
01:12:06
Speaker
And it's funny cause like the things that he says like throughout the thing, like he was like, Oh, you know, you, maybe you were a part of the private sale, you know, the friends and family private sale, maybe you had some airdrop to you as part of the such and such giveaway. So in looking at around for stuff about Eli, I, I like found an old Reddit page of his and.
01:12:31
Speaker
Before this, he was like a crowdfunding consultant type guy. You were trying to get your idea for a heated toilet seat or something off the ground. Eli would help you build a marketing strategy to get your crowdfunding thing off the ground and get people behind it and whatnot.
01:12:59
Speaker
There's all sorts of posts over on Reddit where he's like, obviously like he's planting seeds about like, Hey guys, just wondering what you think of this. We've just successfully raised $500,000 for this project. And, uh, you know, I was wondering if this is something you guys would buy. It's like a lot of that. And it's a lot of like.
01:13:20
Speaker
There's like a crowdfunding subreddit and he's like, I'm happy to answer any questions about this. I come, you know, I own a firm that's helped raise one point something million dollars or whatever it was. Do we know, has he been connected to any products that we may have heard of or anything? Not that I'm trying to get any of the ones that I looked up. I, I, they were either like the, the page, like the crowdfunding page was gone or
01:13:46
Speaker
There wasn't much info about him, but it was normal stuff. In fact, I can't – it's not like I dove into this for days or anything, but I couldn't find any sort of religious reference that he made before this index coin thing.
01:14:04
Speaker
Yeah, like I really think that this guy's a psycho that just is a scammer it by nature. And this is where he discovered successful one. Yeah, then he discovered faith. Yeah, he found a religious market and realized that you don't need good ideas to convince people that you just guilt them into thinking that they don't believe in God enough and you can get whatever you want.
01:14:27
Speaker
And Mrs. Regalotta doesn't seem a whole lot better. She seems totally nuts as well. She seems like a very supportive spouse. Yeah, exactly. They have a godly marriage, for sure. You might say, yeah. She stands right beside him on the stage. She is the divine feminine to his divine masculine, and together they are twin flames. So he starts an online church.
01:14:52
Speaker
manages to build enough of a following to get enough to people. I don't know. He probably does some sort of crossover. I mean, he was a marketing guy. He probably knew what channels to go in to some degree. Does the church crossover with a crypto scheme gets people to give money to something that has no backing that they'll never see a return on their investment on and
01:15:15
Speaker
To be fair, that's not a lot worse than most crypto ideas during this time, just to give him the tiniest bit of credit. It's not that he's good, it's that everyone else also sucks. Yeah. But I feel like as soon as you pull God into it, you just put a target on your back. Most crypto is just like, if you're a scheming, you use finance language and talk about risk and reward and loss and gains and people go, oh, I guess it was just a bad investment.
01:15:44
Speaker
But as soon as you like use the God card, you put a target on your back to be to because you lose all and you lose all language that's grounded in like at least market terms. You know, you're just like give to God and he'll give back. And it's like, I mean, I don't know. He's using a lot of the regular faith words.
01:16:12
Speaker
But he's, he's pulling people in based on their, their, their religious faith and not on like, look, the higher the risk, the higher the reward, like the typical stuff. I feel like once you start manipulating people using language that's outside of the arena that you've entered into.
01:16:36
Speaker
Uh, then it just, I see what you're saying. It puts bigger targets on your back for having to be held accountable. They go, you lose again, the plausible deniability that you just didn't manage your coin well and that you got fucked too. Uh, you get to just, it ends up looking, it's obviously a scam at that point.
01:17:02
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and I did just see that his, okay. So his online only church is called victorious grace church. Online only fans church. Exactly. That's not far from the truth. So, um, well, yeah, like the language thing continues in this clip where he's talking about like.
01:17:25
Speaker
So this one was from an update video on in june of last year like june 22nd So it's about three and a half months later. It seems like in the video Things aren't going like he's he's getting through some of the hurdles of like the You know the rigmarole of being able to sell the coin and stuff and they're ready to actually like open it up for sales but
01:17:51
Speaker
He's not holding the kind of cash that he was hoping to at this point, probably because he's blowing it while he's going through all these steps. So this was him announcing that they were ready to open sales that day.
01:18:08
Speaker
everything set at 1130 Mountain Standard Time. Today, you can go ahead and start trading index coins. You can buy now, but you can also sell now. As far as limits go, okay, limits, we're gonna be doing one coin per day, 10 coins per week, and we're going to be amping that up as more and more people come in. Now, the reason we decided to do this limit
01:18:33
Speaker
Is, you know, if you look at when Jesus fed the 5,000, he broke the bread, he broke it up into pieces and then started handing out the pieces little by little, right? But what happened is it just kept multiplying. So what we're doing here is we're following Jesus example. We're cutting this up. We're dishing this out for some of us, you know, in like the United States or more, I guess, developed countries that may not seem like a lot for some of you in developing countries that may seem like, you know, uh,
01:18:59
Speaker
an answered prayer, beat families, pay bills, do whatever it takes, right? So this is the kingdom way. The kingdom way is to distribute even when you don't have enough trusting that God is going to multiply what you give thanks for. So Lord, we thank you for this liquidity. We're going to be sending it out starting at 11 30.
01:19:18
Speaker
That's the admission of kill right there. Liquidity does mean something we don't have. Yeah, liquidity does mean something that I do not think is what he's actually doing. He said before that, he said that they had like $20,000. Of what? Actual like value to work with. And that's why he was only doing that many coins.
01:19:41
Speaker
What's he doing with that money when he mints these coins? You don't like scan the money into the computer. Like, it's made up. What's he doing? Like, so that a lot of this is just like, the language.
01:19:58
Speaker
of something happening when nothing's actually happening. Like he went around, he asked people for money for investments and stuff like that. Like he actually, he raised like over $3 million. Holy shit. And he raised that from like a little over 300 people by the sounds of it. So, Oh, how did some whales, some whales. He had some whales. Yeah.
01:20:23
Speaker
I assume that the whales, the whales were, uh, were, uh, what do they call that cresting? They were, they were spouting and, uh, he was trying to keep the whales from, uh, turning over the ship and then smashing him to bits. Basically. And then it turned into a borrowed time.
01:20:44
Speaker
black lagoon or whatever that documentary was where they all get just murdered for their blubber and tusks or not tosses. Whales don't have tossed their eye. Their teeth. I don't know. What do you kill whales for?
01:20:59
Speaker
It's like if you promised those whales a condo in Florida and then lured them into a cove and bludgeoned them to death. Yeah. It is not unlike it's not it's not unlike that movie for sure. And dude, I wish I could have gotten into a few more of these like update videos and stuff, especially like the later ones.
Regalado's Financial Mismanagement
01:21:21
Speaker
Like I found one on their YouTube channel called Wisdom First.
01:21:28
Speaker
And it was from December. So this is like a month before the wheels come off the bus. Super hard. I'm sure that like things were happening already. Like, you know, he was probably already in legal trouble and stuff like that, but he's like, he's talking to this thing about wisdom and how it was this really convoluted thing that like.
01:21:55
Speaker
Man, I can't remember what the verse is, but he's talking about- Like he's just BSing? Is that what it sounds like? Like he's just like digging a hole in whatever direction it seems like the ground is soft? It was something about, it's one of these verses that you would know if you heard it, but it was something about like speaking wisdom from your mouth and- One of those ones that's really easy to take out of context and like apply to whatever situation you want it to work for.
01:22:24
Speaker
And in the sermon, he's literally saying like, and so, you know, you're hearing these passages and maybe you don't know what to do, but you read these passages out loud and the wisdom proceeds from your mouth and then God redirects it back into your ears. So you're feeding yourself. You're actually feeding yourself with that wisdom. And God is downloading the plan for your life into you at that time so you know what to do. It's basically like when you're thirsty and you drink your own pee.
01:22:53
Speaker
It's like that is that's maybe the best analogy you've ever made. It's perpetual motion machine. So, yeah, so he's basically they're in trouble and they had to release some some update videos where they like confess to what was going on. There's a screenshot on here.
01:23:24
Speaker
In the one where he's talking about, he's basically announcing that they're shutting the network down. He says, Regalado shut down Kingdom Wealth Exchange on November 1, 2023, after claiming there weren't enough finances to keep the internal servers running, adding that he and his partner were on the doorstep of poverty.
01:23:47
Speaker
Uh, in the little slide that he's got up says not enough stakers to keep it up and running. We don't have the finances at this time to keep the servers running. I did to back up the chain. Some of this does not make sense. That's, this is not, these are blockchain words, but that does not make sense. What are they hosting?
01:24:09
Speaker
It's on a floppy disk. I think what he means is the server is the website that processes the financial transactions of people giving them fiat currency. I'm guessing that's what it is. Like, you don't host a crypto currency. Don't be decentralized. You can't just host it off a computer. That's not how crypto works. What are we paying Squarespace for?
01:24:37
Speaker
Dude, it's like the blockchain is actually just my Venmo account statement. Multiple months are chained together. It's kind of the same thing. The Kingdom Wealth Exchange down had to settle for a fraction of coin, 6,000 of 25,000. Is this the end? Question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark.
01:25:03
Speaker
So he was really going for the pity play at that point. Um, but then he basically had to confess to the fact that like, uh, this is all nonsense and I spoil, I stole your money from you. And how does he say that? Uh, he says the chair, the charges are that Caitlin and I pocketed $1.3 million. And I just want to come out and say that those charges are true.
01:25:32
Speaker
Okay. Okay. All right. What does he say after that? About 500,000 of that went to the IRS. I think he said- Because you were taking that money as income? Why would it just have to go to the IRS? Yeah. That sounds like the standard tax rate when you pull in $1.5 million.
01:25:56
Speaker
Yeah, it doesn't sound like people were trading the cryptocurrency. It sounds like they were paying you. He says a few hundred thousand dollars went to a home remodel that the Lord told us to do. Oh, I bet he did. A few hundred thousand dollars. Hell yeah. Do you know how many Edison light bulbs they had to buy for that place?
01:26:20
Speaker
Oh my gosh. That's, that's fantastic. It's a, it's a modern style, uh, bungalow with a lot of Hampton in art on the wall. To be fair with the way like handyman and home improvement prices have gone the last couple of years, they could have just finished their basement. Like we don't actually know where they live. That's so good. I do like to think that maybe they did buy an original Hunter Biden.
01:26:48
Speaker
There's that, that store of value. There's a video of theirs that you shared on our Instagram page too, right? I think just a screenshot from one of the things that they had posted. Okay. I didn't know if it was their confession or.
01:27:05
Speaker
But like the pre confession where they were still trying to explain away why they didn't technically steal your money before like the charges got so deep They're like if we don't admit that we did this we're just gonna spend 20 years behind bars. So they took a plea deal I'm sure there was some of that going around I like I wish I could have gotten into the some of the details a little bit of where the legal situation is that now but He's been getting hammered on the internet
01:27:34
Speaker
It's just like, everybody hates his guts. And it is funny, though, that he's still like trying to use like the like, like, yeah, just like this nonsense, prosperity gospel language to just like the Lord told us to remodel our home, like, to be this far along to where you're now confessing to everyone that you stole their money, and be like, but also
01:28:02
Speaker
God told me to remodel my house. Does he try to explain it more after that? I refuse to believe that he says, yes, we took your money, but we had to pay taxes and remodel our house.
01:28:15
Speaker
Every good con man has to have stuff after that, right? Like he's letting you in because there has to be an extra hook or something, right? Well, I mean, Casey, him in 2009, Casey have a lot in common about how they feel about paying taxes. I think we do. Yeah.
01:28:33
Speaker
He hasn't gone the full libertarian crypto bro thing where he's like, I don't have to pay taxes. I'm in Panama. I live on a boat now. Like he's just a wimp. He's trying to do it the normal American way. Just Venmo me money that represents crypto. And then I'm going to remodel my house. You get all my money if I trade crypto on international waters. I miss when con men had some principles, you know. Yeah, the good old days. Yeah, it is just like it is such a funny scam.
01:29:02
Speaker
because there's so little there to sell. And he did. You have to admit it, like he didn't sell it. I mean, he had more to sell, but it's like we see the same old fucking story over and over again where some idiot who's new to the game or maybe they're smart, but someone who's new to the game sells you a false bill of goods and all these people with a shitload of money, like a shitload of money.
01:29:28
Speaker
you supposedly know how things work who are smart and that's how they quote unquote earned their money fall for the same old bullshit schemes that any anyone watching
01:29:43
Speaker
God, forgetting the televangelist name. The slimy looking motherfucker with the nice head of hair. Joel Osteen. Oh, Kenneth Copeland. Yeah. Joel Osteen. Like, it's like they fall for the same tricks that like your 95 year old grandma does watching Joel Osteen. And it's just like these millionaires who are supposedly so smart. That's how they earn their money. Just piss it away on these morons. Yeah, I don't know. It is.
01:30:14
Speaker
It is interesting to think about how vulnerable everyone is to like, nonsense. Like, we, I feel like, like, most of us, me included, like, we'll throw money at some nonsense, like, just like a silly, like, long shot at
01:30:39
Speaker
like hope, I guess. Right. Oh, I could turn this $10 into $10,000.
01:30:46
Speaker
Sure. Take my 10. I mean, that that's what you're really buying with a lottery ticket is just you're buying like the permission to daydream for a little bit about what you would do with it. Yep. Yeah, exactly. Well, it's a compulsion and you need help. And if you're listening to this, please get help. Listen to my advice. Everyone who buys lottery tickets is in front of me at the gas station and they all paying cash and they all want to turn in their four dollar winnings to for another ticket.
01:31:12
Speaker
immediately from the counter without moving out of the way of the register. What you're saying is they should invest in crypto instead. I would prefer it. At least it wouldn't be taking up my time and they have to use a separate register for any sort of gambling shit. So it's like.
01:31:34
Speaker
Oh, maybe it's a Massachusetts site. What do you mean by separate register? I don't know what that means. They have to like ring up a lottery differently or separately. Sounds like mob stuff, Sam. I mean, I know you live near Boston. I don't know. I worked in a convenience store for a second before and you had to do it all different. I had a different register for lottery too, actually.
01:31:57
Speaker
He got fired for taking copies of Elle into the bathroom. I used to play Kino on the job. That was fun. That was the summer before I got married. I would play Kino on the job. Just throw a buck or two here and there at it. Made work interesting. What is Kino?
01:32:16
Speaker
Keynote is just like you. It's kind of like a lottery thing where you just pick numbers and but for like low stakes, like a dollar, two dollars, you can pick your numbers or you can have them auto generated and
01:32:31
Speaker
based on the number of numbers you get in the sequence, you can get money. It's not, it's not as impossible to win money, you just don't win much. So like a couple bucks could win you 10, 20. It's not like big winnings. The person I worked with once had won $200 before I got to work. And she was like, I feel bad. Cause we, her and I used to always go in and split. And she was like, I feel bad. I won this without you.
01:32:59
Speaker
So she gave me a little bit of money just because she felt bad, but it's really like a low stakes But it's in the game's run. I think every five minutes. It's kind of like an online it's Cause they'll have Kino screens where they show you the winnings and whatever So it's like it plays a game every five minutes and it keeps people at bars Gotcha. Okay sitting there running numbers drinking beers Whatever it's all yeah, it's it's uh, it's like
01:33:30
Speaker
You know, roulette for people who smell like old cigarettes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, now it's just roulette for people with mechanical vapes in their pocket, but same thing. Yeah, that's true. So yeah, that's the story of index coin and kingdom wealth exchange and grace led marketers. And prior to that, Mad Hatter agency.
01:33:56
Speaker
Oh yeah. Grace Led. I love the Grace Led idea. That's sick. I think in a couple weeks we should just revisit real quick to see whether or not this guy's facing jail time and where things end up. Yeah. Do we know anything? Is it just too early to know what's going to happen? Do we know what he's been charged with? I don't have the details for where it's all landed.
01:34:21
Speaker
Okay. All good. It feels like one of these fun segments we can drop back in on from time to time. We'll revisit this. We haven't stolen enough money to go away for like 60 years or anything. Like they're, they'll do some time, but this definitely feels like there's a redemption art coming and I really hope we're here for it. Yeah. And with good behavior and, uh, presumably being white, they'll probably not really do much time.
01:34:46
Speaker
at all and they'll get time served after they spend like eight months waiting for their trial on house arrest or something stupid. Here's kind of a summary just real quick. So it says from June 2022 to April 2023, nearly $3.2 million was raised from over 300 individuals to invest in index coin. However, according to the complaint, the currency was essentially worthless and illiquid.
01:35:13
Speaker
Most investors have allegedly lost their funds while the defendants are accused of using the money to fund a lavish lifestyle. If proven, the allegations would represent violations of fraud and licensing provisions of Colorado security laws. The commissioner is seeking damage for harmed investors as well as legal action over misused funds. He warned that new cryptocurrencies and exchanges can easily be created, but consumers should exercise caution due to the risks involved. TBD. Yeah, they're charged with fraud.
01:35:44
Speaker
Sounds like it. I'm also curious what happened. They took 1.3 or 1.2 million dollars. What happened to the other like almost 2 million dollars that this thing supposedly raised? Do we know? Was it just exchange? I haven't seen anything about it. So. Reinvested. That was reinvested. They just kept the 1.3 mil. They reinvested the rest into getting their fraudulent coin off. They planted those seeds. In random holes across all of Colorado. What state were they from?
01:36:12
Speaker
Colorado. Yeah. They just randomly buried it and made a little treasure map for themselves so they can pick it up later. Is it Colorado Springs? I just feel like when you hear about weird faith stuff happening in Colorado, it's always Colorado Springs.
01:36:30
Speaker
Hmm. That is where focus on the family is, is I just don't feel like Denver would allow this to fly. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I could see it not picking up the same momentum in Denver. Um, I think it's Denver, Denver pastor. Yep.
01:36:52
Speaker
Hell yeah. Well, good for them for making big moves in Denver. And that's cool. I mean, they did something different. They came on strong and they duped a new group of people. So I'm kind of proud of them, but they didn't get away with it. So ultimately that sucks. That sucks for them.
01:37:12
Speaker
Do you feel bad for the people that he that they scammed? I think I'm past having any sort of tank for empathy for people who get scammed at this point. I it sucks. I would hate to get scammed. But I just it's like when you hear about. Anything that happens across the globe and you go, I hear that and I know that that's sad, but I don't have any feelings about it and just.
01:37:42
Speaker
Sam, did you vote for Bernie in any primaries? Recently? No. Well, yeah, not recently. He hasn't been in me. I thought you were asking if I'm writing Bernie in for anything. No, no, just people getting scammed by the establishment.
01:37:59
Speaker
Is that, is, uh, is this guy the, is grace coin, uh, the establishment? No, no. I, when it comes to crypto, I don't know what would be the establishment. I mean, they're all scammers too. Like it was Sam bankman freed. Like FTX was pretty much the establishment of crypto. And it turns out he's.
01:38:16
Speaker
Also, a Ponzi schema. It's all Ponzi schemes. It's crazy. It's crazy that someone who, like you said, was like part of the quote unquote establishment for that for crypto. It's like for that to go belly up in as hard and fast as it did. It goes
01:38:33
Speaker
Why do we even, what are we doing? Why are we trusting? I mean, our whole system sucks anyway. Our finance systems trash. It just makes rich people richer. We know everything's terrible. Uh, like why are we just trying to make more terrible things? I don't know.
01:38:51
Speaker
I want like an IDF coin, something that voices my support for the Israeli defense. Okay. Well, you could do that just by voting for Biden in any upcoming elections. That's how I plan to vote for Netanyahu is by voting for Biden. Yeah. It's a one for one exchange better than Bitcoin.
01:39:21
Speaker
All right, everybody. Well, that has been a muddled and disorganized story of the Regalados. And we will keep an eye on their progress, see where they end up. Invite them on the podcast. I'm going to keep an eye open for some new update videos. Wouldn't it be fun if they had like a disgruntled son or daughter that was like,
01:39:46
Speaker
16 and hated them that would come on and just like trash them. That'd be sick. Like business partners or something like it does feel like this is ripe for discovery. The discovery process is really good for the juicy tidbits. Because I just love so many questions like what servers? What were they hosting?
01:40:05
Speaker
Where did the rest of the money go? Did anyone ever successfully trade any of index coin? Was it even tradable? Or are they just emailing people digital certificates that say, congratulations, you own a cryptocurrency because they're stupid. I want to know all of this.
01:40:20
Speaker
It's like getting a free pizza at Chuck E Cheese just in your email with a barcode that probably won't scan when you get there. I would love for his wife to do the whole you duped me thing and then like leave him and try to like find her exit plan.
01:40:38
Speaker
And then when they turn on each other, yeah, that's what I'm waiting. Oh, that would be fun. Just let them scrap it out. That would be the best. She starts doing podcasts to talk about it. Just throws him under the bus for everything. That'd be so good. Yeah, she's just like Kelly and Conway's daughter. I love the doctor.
01:41:03
Speaker
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