Transcript
Patrick Abure: Welcome to the Spark It podcast. This is Patrick Chandigarh Justin and I am here with my co -host Kimaru Baby.
Kimaru: mmm interesting thank you for hosting me here we joke a lot patrick so tell me what are we supposed to be talking about today
Patrick Abure: Welcome Kimaru.
Patrick Abure: ah a lot of things I always have a lot to talk about whenever I am with you especially when we are having this one -on -one conversations okay you spill it
Kimaru: I know, I know. It's always long, long conversations, but I love it here. It's nice. Please don't tell people. This is just written behind you.
Kimaru: Ah, no, no. this is these These are just secrets. We can tell the audience, but it it's nice that you're testing this podcast out. I can't wait to see what you come up with.
Kimaru: Yeah. So what do you want us to talk about?
Patrick Abure: Could you could you speak ah into your microphone like a little bit closer to your microphone?
Kimaru: Because I'm running out. I think I am so distracted. OK, yeah, yeah. Sure, sure. No problem.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, you probably would want to have it very close a little bit to.
Kimaru: I know. I think it's where I have actually put it. Let me see if I can. There?
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: OK. That's fine.
Patrick Abure: Yes. Yeah. So tell me, uh, recently I saw a post that you made on Facebook and, uh, I was shocked when I came across it.
Kimaru: Uh -huh.
Patrick Abure: I mean, not like in a bad way, in a good way.
Kimaru: Whoop, whoop. Uh -huh. posts though? I do post a lot. Or sometimes.
Patrick Abure: I know it's your most recent post.
Kimaru: Ah, most recent.
Patrick Abure: So, yes.
Kimaru: I did a post today a about a bug. Is it that one?
Patrick Abure: yeah no So, it it was about the sabab.
Kimaru: The one I posted yesterday.
Kimaru: All right. Okay. What about it though?
Patrick Abure: Now, I mean, I thought it was interesting. um Like, as someone who has always known you,
Kimaru: who
Patrick Abure: I actually didn't know you were an Adventist. Oh, maybe you're not. And then I came across to that online and I was like, whoa, is she an Adventist now? Oh, what's going on here?
Kimaru: That's actually a very interesting question. I say going to the Adventist Church in I think August of 2024. Yeah, and I've definitely liked it.
Kimaru: I was born into the Presbyterian Church and at some point I went to SITAM.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: I think that was after high school.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: And then after that I left church.
Patrick Abure: Mm
Kimaru: I stayed out of church for like around five years. I didn't to attend church for five years.
Patrick Abure: hmm.
Kimaru: It wasn't really interesting actually. I think I was taking a break. Can't really tell why.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: um yeah and then at some point especially last year for 2024 i did feel like i really wanted to reconnect with god in a more deeper way yeah yeah so my my plan was to actually go like to different churches and find out like how they worship what they are up to so i wanted to actually go to
Patrick Abure: Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: Mm -hmm. Right.
Patrick Abure: Right. Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: to a Catholic Church and sample what they do and go to an Adventist Church.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: Those are like my mom made two major churches. Yeah, that I wanted.
Patrick Abure: So you had you had this you were working with.
Kimaru: yeah Yeah, i like I really wanted to go to those two churches. I really wanted to know what they are about, how they worship and stuff like that and see if it's something that would actually interest me at this point or my the alternative was to actually go back to a Presbyterian church.
Kimaru: Yeah. So I actually talked to a friend of mine and she was like, yeah, maybe one of these days you should join me. We should go for a church service to our church. And I kept procrastinating.
Kimaru: And then I spoke to Patrick.
Patrick Abure: right right
Kimaru: And Patrick was, I told Patrick I wanted to go to an Adventist church to check out what they do. And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, you should go. He started hyping their church because he's an Adventist. So he's like, yeah, you should actually go and actually just don't go for like one Saturday. You should make sure you go for eight.
Kimaru: yeah so this guy was making me commit to eight uh you know like eight sabads and i actually decided to do that i don't i think i missed in between i did miss like one or two times but i went i went for like the eight times and i guess by the time i was done i felt like and i didn't feel like i wanted to go now to a catholic church
Patrick Abure: Yeah. Right.
Kimaru: I found the Adventist church, the way they worship, it was kind of different from what I was used to. I just loved their vibe and the way first you see and you sit.
Kimaru: it's not such a big hassle anyway it's not even about the seating I like the way this I actually like the way and enjoy the way they sing there's just something about it um I like the way they conduct their services and I don't know um I can't really tell exactly what it is but it's just something I think it's like when you're looking for something and then you finally find it
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: It's like even your intuition tells you that you've actually found what you are looking for. So for me, going to an Adventist church, that's what it has felt like. And yesterday, was it yesterday a day yeah or maybe the other day?
Kimaru: This last Saturday, I went to church. I spent church i spent like the whole day at church and left church, I think, ah around 5 .30 in the evening because the church runs like the whole day.
Patrick Abure: Right. Right.
Kimaru: And this Saturday was more ah of a prayer.
Kimaru: they had like the 10 days of prayer and then now that that was like the 10th day and there was this very interesting speaker who was talking about prayer and what you should do while you're praying or how you should go about it and stuff like that and why we should have conversations with God and stuff like that
Patrick Abure: Right. Mhm.
Kimaru: And it just felt like you know, it's one of those and then people are actually writing like their prayer requests and putting them in a box and then the whole church will pray about it and there was people also giving like a testimony about how the year had been or Yeah, how the year had been and the what God had done for them and it I don't know Yeah, it's a lot.
Patrick Abure: right
Kimaru: I don't know. I can't unpack all of it right here. I Yeah, but but budget it's been nice honestly, yeah.
Patrick Abure: yeah you You sound like you were touched.
Kimaru: Yeah, I was, I was, people talked about, you know, sometimes, I think sometimes you take the little things for granted and then eventually like there was this lady who was giving her testimony about how she was robbed or mugged, let's just call it mugged.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: And yeah, are these people hit her on the head and she had a yeah she had a fracture.
Patrick Abure: Oh no.
Kimaru: It was really bad. It was bad, but she got the help she needed and went to a hospital and she was given, they're called switchers or whatever.
Patrick Abure: Oh no.
Kimaru: yeah and so she was talking about how sometimes we take life of lay for granted and maybe like but our safety and security the way you can leave your house and you don't know or you think that it's normal to come back you live and you come back and things will just be fine but then sometimes you might go out there and you know stuff happens yeah so for her she was like she was at that moment when that was happening she wasn't thinking about how hard she was she was thinking
Patrick Abure: Right. Right. Right.
Kimaru: a about oh thank god i'm alive yeah yeah she is yeah she is she is yes he that's true
Patrick Abure: Oh, yeah. I mean, honestly, it's first of all, I feel so sorry for what has happened to her. I hope she's okay. Is she okay now? She's recovered. Oh, thank God. Yeah, it's it's unfortunate to have something like that happen to anybody.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, like being robbed is crazy. And actually, that reminds me.
Kimaru: Mhmm.
Patrick Abure: So in 2000, I think probably 13 or 12, I was living with my uncle and working in a photo studio.
Kimaru: Mhmm.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: so we always close the late like around 10 pm in the night sometimes we go up to 11 in the night and so there was this one day he was coming back home he had a motorbike like a border border and when he was coming home some guys jumped him and they took his motorbike they took his money and they beat him up
Kimaru: Mhmm.
Kimaru: Oh no.
Kimaru: Oh, that's a lot.
Patrick Abure: and yeah the only thing he was left with was his phone they they they took the other phones and then he had this many phones that we call Rebecca basically he had it on you I don't know yeah like
Kimaru: Mm -hmm. Okay.
Kimaru: That's an interesting name for a phone. Why do you call them Rebecca?
Kimaru: Isn't it like those keypad phones?
Patrick Abure: but only called ghost i ifphon You know like the Nokias?
Kimaru: Yeah, in Kenya we call them Katululu.
Patrick Abure: Yeah. I cut a little.
Kimaru: Yes, a Katululu.
Patrick Abure: It appears like these phones always have some kind of names.
Kimaru: We had names actually.
Patrick Abure: yeah but Yeah, like those 1100s and 1200 Nokia.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: and stuff like that, yeah. So that was what was left on him.
Kimaru: Oh, wow.
Patrick Abure: And so he called us, said, like, guys, I'm here, I'm robbed, and so forth.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: And so we had to go there and, like, um to get him back. And it was devastating to, like, see him in that state.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: And it was just sad, you know?
Kimaru: i can only imagine
Patrick Abure: And, yeah. Yeah, it it he he was really traumatized ah by the experience because yeah, it's not good. And I'm really happy that this lady has fully recovered and she's feeling good.
Kimaru: Yeah, I think she's fine right now, maybe physically, but I think sometimes it's usually like the emotional scars some of these experiences leave you with. Yeah, but I hope she gets like the help she needs because sometimes I feel like if you go through such an ordeal, you might probably start feeling unsafe when you're walking around by yourself or you can't even leave your house at night.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: yeah right right yeah it did take time to heal from such an event yeah yeah especially emotionally it will take time yeah i really wish i want the best
Kimaru: So sometimes it could be the aftermath of the event. Yeah. So physically you could be okay, but mentally, emotionally distraught. Yeah. Yeah, that's true.
Kimaru: Yeah. yeah yeah I wish her the best too and for me yeah I also I think I did learn about how God like takes care of you even in those times when you feel like he's not there because it could have been worse you know it could have been worse sometimes maybe if those people decided to like strike her twice she would probably have died because they were this they were doing that on her head
Patrick Abure: Exactly.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: Yeah, so yeah, good shows up for us in those weird times.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: True, true.
Kimaru: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah. Honestly, it's a... It could have been worse but but I guess in some way or form God intervened and it's not as bad.
Kimaru: That's true.
Kimaru: Yeah, so what what do you like about being an Adventist now that you are one of the people bringing people into the sheepfold?
Kimaru: Yeah, tell me, you're like the disciple, you're fishing. It's like, I'll make you fishers of men and here you are. You're like, yeah, I'll fish these ones. ah So yeah, what what what what do you like about the church now that you've been there for a while?
Patrick Abure: That's actually a very interesting question and I honey i would think that there's so many things that I could point to in the Adventist church.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: that I could identify with as my favorite.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Um, yeah, so many of them, whether it being from the syncing to the someone to the relationships that we build with each other as Adventists.
Patrick Abure: I think it's like, it's probably one of the most unique things about the Adventist Church that I love and i admire is like,
Kimaru: okay who yeah yeah that's true you yeah i think
Patrick Abure: As Adventists, we treat each other like we are children of the same mother, if that makes sense. i
Patrick Abure: yeah i mean I don't know if you have noticed it, but yeah like I you would have noticed it like within the few weeks that you've been to the church.
Kimaru: it's ah No, it's it's actually true. ah like For example, I usually like join the youth ministry. ah you know they like they Usually like the lunch break and the way the youth meet, actually the church feeds us.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: hey I'm telling you, I've never seen something like that in a church. So the church does feed us and then after that we do meet. like During the lunch hour, when you're having the late lunch, as young people, we just have our own separate meeting
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: there's like more singing and more talking and sort of like an outreach and I think it's one of those places where you feel hard and people are there they're like oh you know if you have any issues let us know we can find ways to help so it kind of feels like sort of a family so yeah it's good mm
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: right yeah it's amazing yeah i think i had uh this one friend that we went to church with wanted and uh well they're happy to be feeding us that they are church it's not like it happens all the time
Kimaru: -hmm
Kimaru: Mm hmm.
Kimaru: Okay.
Kimaru: Interesting. Uh huh.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, but they happen to be feeding us that Sabbath and he was so shocked.
Kimaru: Mm hmm.
Kimaru: I know it's not, it's all common. It doesn't happen in every church. So, you know.
Patrick Abure: I know. Yeah.
Kimaru: Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: And he was like, yo, you guys, they feed you here. We're like, uh,
Kimaru: Yeah, actually, ah I grew up knowing that the seventh day at Adventist church, like people, I think I saw people like curry lunch to church or something like of their sort. But you see, it's different when you know that happens.
Kimaru: And then when you kind of like sort of experience it, you go to a church.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: they've prepared a hot meal and then all of you are there you are getting a plate of food and you know you have that together and then again you go back to church for the afternoon noon session yeah it's i think it's really different um especially if you've never experienced it coming from from like a totally different church where people just finish a service and you go home yeah
Patrick Abure: right Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. It is.
Patrick Abure: Right. That is certainly true ah so That's so true. I think that helps a lot, especially given that. so I mean, you have been to the Adventist Church for a couple of Sabbaths now.
Patrick Abure: You probably have experienced this.
Kimaru: who
Patrick Abure: Our services almost last the entire day.
Kimaru: Oh yeah, the last one lasted until 5 .30 in the evening. It is like a whole day affair. Actually this year intentionally I wanted to to actually attend those services until the end of the day.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Yeah, because last year i I attended most services mostly in the morning and then by afternoon I would leave. I attended only a few. So this year I want to be very intentional about it. I want to like dedicate the sabbath for the sabbath. It's like go to church, spend the day there, do whatever needs to be done, go for those two services. Yeah, because I feel like this if you leave mid -whatever, then there's something you're missing out also.
Patrick Abure: right right that's interesting it actually maybe to go back to something you said earlier at the start of this conversation you said you haven't been to church in five years and then 2024 comes
Kimaru: ah
Kimaru: Uh huh. Uh huh. Yes.
Patrick Abure: And then you were like, you develop this list of churches that you want to visit?
Patrick Abure: What prompted that?
Kimaru: I think okay at some point the reason I actually stopped going to church at some point was o I think one of the churches I went to there was a lot of people preaching prosperity gospel and all that at some point you become so detached with the church because also I could see um there's there's been also this aspect of when you sometimes you go to the church when I i grew up with this notion of the church it's like
Patrick Abure: um
Patrick Abure: Mhm.
Kimaru: the church embodies what Christ is all about and they're supposed to take care of the most needy are there in the church but then you go to these churches and you realize that it's more about giving giving giving pushing people to give and do so much and sometimes i feel like there is a tendency of
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Mhm.
Kimaru: like a disconnect between the people who are even able to give more and the people who have almost nothing.
Patrick Abure: right yes right
Kimaru: And also it kind of felt like the church wasn't necessarily taking care of those people. So it's like you push people so much, but and you don't even care about what's it what' what type of problems are they going through.
Kimaru: So for me, the reason I stopped going to church, it's because I did experience that. I would look at the church and I'll be like, or maybe I was judging the church, But that's what it felt at that point.
Patrick Abure: right
Kimaru: You feel like there's that disconnect. are we Why are we not embodying what Christ put us to do out here? Because I think Jesus was here for the most poor.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: you know He was trying to save people from themselves and from all the things they were going through.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: And I think at that point, I wasn't seeing that. So I was like, I need a break from Kanesa.
Patrick Abure: All
Kimaru: Yeah. And then ah when I decided to go back, I think for me it kind of felt like there was a void. um
Patrick Abure: right.
Kimaru: He just says, I don't know. This is like very personal.
Patrick Abure: All right.
Kimaru: I don't even know how to explain it. But you just feel like there's something that is missing in your life. And there is like need to connect to God on a level that if you sat at home, you wouldn't necessarily experience Of course, there's that notion, yeah, you feel like, yeah.
Kimaru: You know, anyway, especially with when COVID hit, there was this idea, Rafa, you can just sit at home and attend church.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: But honestly, I think still that does not cover for how it feels to go and fellowship physically with people.
Patrick Abure: Absolutely.
Kimaru: Yeah, so for me, when I was thinking about going to church, I was looking at it holistically from that aspect of you are there with people who truly believe and there's just, I thought there was something different from just being on the internet and be like, yeah, today I'm attending that service from home.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Yes, and then you get notified.
Kimaru: I'm not judging.
Kimaru: I know I'm not judging people who do that, but I'm saying even if I was to do that right now, I would probably prefer to go physically to church more often than when I would sit in my house and probably watch, uh, like be say, say, like I'm in church on time.
Patrick Abure: right
Kimaru: Yeah. So yeah, there's a, there's a big difference actually for me, I have felt it that way.
Patrick Abure: right right yeah no honestly as someone who has been to church both online and offline honestly i can relate to that yeah i think i love
Kimaru: So I don't know about people's experiences, but that's how it feels for me. So.
Patrick Abure: fellowshipping in person more than I do online. Yeah, because I i i find a lot of distractions sometimes when I'm fellowshipping online.
Kimaru: That's true
Patrick Abure: Yeah. Like, you know.
Kimaru: I traded some other weekend, I think, not so long ago. And, you know, I started so well.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: There was the worship, the wherever, and then made of the service.
Patrick Abure: and
Kimaru: A friend of mine came, so I paused.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: I was like, let's continue later. they they didn't they came almost unannounced because now they just asked me are you home I was like yeah I didn't even think that I'm supposed to be at home but at church at the same time they were like okay I'm coming and then they showed up at my door a couple like maybe less than an hour later so yeah I post church and I continued with banter
Patrick Abure: right
Patrick Abure: cry
Kimaru: yeah honestly it's definitely not the same yeah that's what i can say yeah i know i know yeah it's it's really true like it's i honestly honestly going physically to church it's not the same with watching it online
Patrick Abure: Yeah, i I feel like we need to have an episode where we actually discuss that.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: I think that there's also that, um like, I don't know, it's just that it's like when you go even for like a family get together, definitely you are coming together.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: So there's always that warmth you feel of people being being around people, sharing and stuff like that.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: Cause for me, like, for example, now that I am going to an Adventist church at lunch, during lunch hour, we have that fellowship with the the young people. So we meet there, we are having our lunch, people are talking, we are singing,
Kimaru: and then for me I love the singing I am not a good singer I have I have not hit those chords right but I just sit there and I can hear those people with alto bars and sopranos and I'm like yeah this is so good it is too good yeah I know those people have like really nice voices it's like hmm hallelujah
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: it's like a sword that pierces deep into your soul oh
Kimaru: So yeah, it's it's differently good, so.
Patrick Abure: man i love it yeah honestly i love it it's like like i said earlier singing for me in the adventist church is one of my
Patrick Abure: most favorite things like it's just different
Kimaru: you need to teach me how to to hit those chords it's like my voice i have gotten you oh my god people from other churches please don't judge me um i think oh my god you know at this point i even feel like i need somebody to teach me how to sing because tell me why you go to church and then the chorista is like uh stanza one we will let the women sing no maybe stanza one everyone sings and then the chorus and then they're like stanza two we will let the women sing and then stanza three it will be the men and then four it's like everyone and then now when it is the women it's like people are going like hey high notes
Patrick Abure: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Kimaru: And I am just there wondering, what am I actually supposed to sing? So when the men start singing, I sing with a man.
Patrick Abure: Choking.
Kimaru: Because their voices are not so high, so I don't feel like I am, I don't know how old to call it.
Patrick Abure: yeah
Kimaru: It is yeah, it's all yeah, so it's all like I'm choking so it's like my voice needs to be low I need to find a way.
Patrick Abure: chucking
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: I don't know. I'll figure it out Yeah, but I find it easier to sing when everyone else in the church sings when they say sing the women sing Sometimes I just like I just hum I
Patrick Abure: ri Right. Right.
Kimaru: loveing
Patrick Abure: No, um because I get i can relish.
Kimaru: yeah let say yeah that's like been my experience but i enjoy the singing because the way people sing you feel like it's angels singing i don't know it's it's really too good it sounds sounds too good to be true honestly yeah so for me who has not necessarily found my voice in particular i think it's because i was not born in at an advanced charge so i have not caught up but yes i'll work on it
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: It's so good. Yeah.
Patrick Abure: I think you will catch up. Like I, I had you singing the last time.
Kimaru: uh -huh I'll try I'll keep trying I think I'll i'll look for tutorials I'll
Patrick Abure: It was beautiful. I loved it. Yeah.
Patrick Abure: I think the more you do it, you you will improve.
Kimaru: ah
Patrick Abure: and And naturally like you will progress and get to a point where you're actually so good.
Kimaru: h
Kimaru: I can't wait. It better like be sooner because y I might be suffering there.
Kimaru: but
Kimaru: i yeah you know
Patrick Abure: Yeah, I love singing. wait
Kimaru: and
Patrick Abure: i you hey get Singing is one of those things I love about the Presbyterian Church.
Patrick Abure: Because you said you were raised a Presbyterian.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm. Yeah.
Patrick Abure: And I actually have been going to the Presbyterian Church for some time, by the way.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: I don't know if I told you this.
Kimaru: Yeah, I think you mentioned the toil bag.
Patrick Abure: yeah like I probably went to the Presbyterian Church for, I don't know, maybe a year or two or even more.
Kimaru: Oh. Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: Yeah. And I think for me, the thing I love most about my experience moving there was the church singing.
Patrick Abure: Like the church singing was so good.
Patrick Abure: I don't know what your experience was, but yeah.
Kimaru: it's good and there's the like the drum sets and all that but you know they do like the hymns and all that but they've also em embraced like the the contemporary songs and all that so I think right now it has kind of evolved a little bit but yeah the last time I was there it was good but now that now that I go to the Adventist church I just like the harmonizing it's like h
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yes.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: ah yeah I don't know. it's It's my personal experience. So, yeah. Parents, people should not come for me, so.
Patrick Abure: Like, as an Adventist, ah it fills me with so much joy.
Kimaru: ah
Patrick Abure: You're enjoying every bit of it.
Kimaru: No, it's it's ah it's really good, it's really good. Oh, and then the other thing, i was ah ah when I first came to the church, I was wondering about, I've always had, oh, I was supposed to take soya, you're not supposed to take these and this and that.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: who
Kimaru: So, I actually, one of those days I asked one of the guys at the church, I was like, by the way, tell me, what about like this soya thing?
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: You know, because some of us have gotten it used to taking like tea leaves and all that.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: And then they were like, no, it's not like it's a requirement of the church. It's more of like, um, more for your health, like a health benefit of probably not just taking like my journey or tea leaves because.
Patrick Abure: Right. Right.
Kimaru: Yeah. I think I was really curious about that. And then the other thing, maybe you should tell us, uh, the other thing about like people get married.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: That church is very confusing.
Patrick Abure: Mmhmm.
Kimaru: People are not wearing rings. You might go there and you're there you're like, Come here, you are talking to somebody's husband. So how would you know? How would you know? Like maybe you are single, you are searching. How are you going to differentiate the married and the unmarried?
Patrick Abure: That's a good question.
Patrick Abure: How were you differentiating the married from the unmarried in the Presbyterian Church?
Patrick Abure: Was it through the ring?
Kimaru: the yeah yeah people wear rings it's actually like i think it's just a tradition they wear the rings so it's easy to be like if you look at the left hand and you see the ring finger has a ring you're like oh that one is off the market please don't look that way yeah okay
Patrick Abure: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Right, right.
Patrick Abure: that's So we have a and probably I'm going to butcher this. So I'm just going to say it in a way that makes sense to me.
Kimaru: Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: But we we believe that first to clarify is we actually don't use like the rings.
Kimaru: Right.
Patrick Abure: Let's say um when you get married and things like that. Now that is not a law.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: That means if you prefer to have a ring. let's say for your partner or something like that, you can do that. You are allowed.
Patrick Abure: And I think that the pastors would be very glad to basically do that.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: ah But for us, we believe that the vows that you make to each other are from their heart.
Kimaru: Okay? Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: And what makes the marriage marriage is that you have agreed at heart to be with each other. And so whether there is a ring or no ring really makes not much difference. Because what matters is you know that, you know, it's you. and
Kimaru: So, but okay, that's actually an interesting concept, yeah. But what about now the rest of the world? Like, let's say, for example, I'm new at the church right now, right?
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: ah There's no person wearing a wedding band or those rings or whatever.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: So say, for example, I'm single, I didn't say I'm single, just sing as an example.
Patrick Abure: yeah okay but it would be also good if the you know the listeners know if you are something like that ah okay all right all right
Kimaru: As an example.
Kimaru: We shall tell them later but for today, let's assume not person X. Oh, you could say person X instead of me Okay, let please let's use person X so that we don't I don't have to answer that question today let's take let's say for example person X comes to an Adventist Church and They want to actually stay um And maybe they are single
Patrick Abure: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.
Kimaru: but no one is wearing a wedding band so maybe ah after charge you would want to have you know talk to people randomly get to know them you know just even just get to know them uh how would you differentiate who is married and not married because clearly there is nothing to show everybody looks as you know
Patrick Abure: Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Honestly, like.
Patrick Abure: Okay, so you probably would have noticed this about some Adventist churches you've gone to is that we have a close -knit community.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: As in, even though the number might be large in a particular church, probably most of us know each other in that church.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm. Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: Like we know who is married and who is not.
Kimaru: True? Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: And we also have like usually people who are responsible with the youth as part of like the youth ministry or department at that particular church.
Patrick Abure: And they would be a youth leader.
Kimaru: Uh -huh, true.
Patrick Abure: Usually that person knows which one of these people is what it is.
Kimaru: Oh, so, okay. ah Let me see. So at this point, maybe, um, are you trying to like, say maybe somebody should be like, ask around before they start, you know, they start, uh, flooding with people.
Patrick Abure: um mean
Kimaru: For lack of a better word. Like maybe, maybe would you like, do you use that like a cautionary or whatever tale? You'd be like, please, when you go there, just ask around. If maybe you think somebody looks beautiful or handsome, you ask somebody like, hey, are they married or not?
Patrick Abure: yeah
Patrick Abure: yeah
Patrick Abure: I mean, you could do that too.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: and um Or alternatively, you could speak to your pastor. oh picked youth leader Oh, speak to to the women leader?
Patrick Abure: Or even the men leader? Whichever you are comfortable with, you don't need to speak to all of them.
Kimaru: Oh, um okay. If you say so. Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Or you don't even need to speak to any of them at all.
Kimaru: Oh, you may be, you can figure it out with time. You'll be like observe. Cause I think after church, like people live in, like if they are families, they live together, stuff like that.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yes. Yes.
Kimaru: Yeah. Maybe I guess if you're interested in somebody, you should be more keen on observing what they do after church.
Patrick Abure: right yes absolutely and and speaking of that i don't know if you have noticed this at church so usually the husband and the wife would be seated together and even if they if they have kids they would be seated together yeah
Kimaru: Mm hmm.
Kimaru: Oh, yes.
Kimaru: Or sometimes they were matching clothes.
Kimaru: Oh, my God, oh, my God.
Patrick Abure: It's like, ah I don't know, is like it's like, it's very common. So that way you can be able to sometimes tell whether they are married or, you know, they are open for a relationship.
Kimaru: Uh -huh. I see.
Patrick Abure: And honestly, there is probably no better way
Kimaru: Uh -huh.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: to do that than to ask the person you're interested in. you know Yeah, like if you're interested in person X and you're not very sure if they are married or something like that, I think it wouldn't hurt for you to go to them and be like, yeah, you're married.
Kimaru: Ah. I think so. Okay.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: You probably don't want to ask them.
Kimaru: my god that that's a question that would require like a lot of courage yeah but but I think it's better to ask than just you know
Kimaru: But let's, you know, maybe you you maybe you, I know you asked me this question, but maybe you should answer it yourself.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Are you single? Are you searching? Are you off the market? um You know, you may never know.
Patrick Abure: that's a That's a very good question.
Kimaru: Yes, it is. So, tell us.
Patrick Abure: yeah So what I can say for today is that if I start responding to this question, it would take probably two hours.
Patrick Abure: And and we only have like how many minutes for this episode? It's like...
Kimaru: I know you're lying. Should we tell you like a whole podcast episode for you to actually talk about your relationship status?
Patrick Abure: please let's do that another time by the way this is on record and that means
Kimaru: Oh my God, this this looks like procrastination and then it never happens and then we forget and it becomes a thing that we don't talk about. You could have just let us know. You could have said yes or no. So um maybe let me rephrase.
Patrick Abure: we can always go back to it and be like you remember on this episode you said ABC yeah yeah
Kimaru: Oh my God. You're being too smart. You're being too smart and avoiding our question. But anyway, I think I will let our listeners know that maybe they should also remind me in case I forget that maybe we need to you know have a podcast episode about you, talking about your personal experiences with relationships and maybe tell us if you have a Oh, if you have a...
Patrick Abure: If you have a word, say it.
Kimaru: If you have a lover or you're in a relationship, you know, who knows?
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: But yeah, um maybe there's people out here who are interested in you and they don't know.
Patrick Abure: Yes.
Kimaru: It could be like the it could be the same case with, the you know, the Adventist men or women, you know, you've gone to the church, you're just new.
Patrick Abure: Right. hu Right.
Kimaru: You don't know whether this person is off the market, if they have a family and kids.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Yeah. Maybe you need to let us know so that, you know, or you need to let our viewers and listeners know. And then.
Kimaru: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: That's an important message.
Kimaru: so that Yes, please. Yes, please. Yeah. We need to dedicate some time for you.
Patrick Abure: Thank you for dedicating some time.
Kimaru: Oh, it's going to happen sooner or later. I think you cannot avoid this question forever. So it's up to you. You choose your poison. Do you want sooner or later?
Patrick Abure: right right actually speaking of tuna which falls under food and some other things you were asking you
Kimaru: Yeah.
Kimaru: Uh -huh.
Kimaru: ah
Patrick Abure: were asking about like uh the restrictions like what you can eat and what you cannot eat and i feel like
Kimaru: Uh -huh.
Patrick Abure: there is a misconstruction like a lot of people misconstrue what actually is the stand or teaching of the Adventist Church ah with regards to foods you can eat or those you cannot eat yeah because
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: Okay. Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm. Sure.
Patrick Abure: some people will just go about saying a lot of random stuff like oh yeah these guys yeah they they they don't they don't eat meat oh they don't drink my Johnny day yeah but so it's not like it's a law
Kimaru: Mm -hmm. Uh -huh. Uh -huh. I know. Yeah, it's that one I've had since I was a child.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: where you're like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you shouldn't eat. Maybe ABCD. If you do, we are going to excommunicate you ah from the church. You're no longer going to be an Adventist. You are not going to be coming to church anymore and things like that. It's like not anything close to that at all.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: So it's it's basically a health message and we probably need like, I don't know, a lot of time to dissect to this, but the there a lot of teachings around the things you can eat and others you cannot eat, but they're really advised for your own good.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: And this is so much comes from Leviticus.
Patrick Abure: For example, The thing that I know almost every Adventist does not eat is Spock.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Almost all of us, it's very, very rare to find an Adventist that eats Spock.
Kimaru: Mhm.
Kimaru: Mhm. Mhm.
Patrick Abure: It's more like Muslims and something. I think that's probably also why we share a lot. But the other things like to do with the
Kimaru: Mhm.
Patrick Abure: coffee, mahjani or tea leaves and things like that. It's really like a recommendation to help you stay healthy as you, you know, work to improve your relationship with God.
Kimaru: Makes sense, because I think coffee can be addictive.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: I was an addict of coffee some time back.
Patrick Abure: Oh yeah.
Kimaru: Yeah, I understand that.
Patrick Abure: Oh yeah.
Patrick Abure: yeah yeah it can be it can be it also has like it's very high in cafe yeah yeah so i think it's not like hello and be like yeah kimaru if you do this then we are going to no no no right
Kimaru: Mm hmm.
Kimaru: That's true. Interesting.
Kimaru: No, I think that's a very, that's like one of those things you need to demystify about your church because yeah, it's true. Out there, myself included, I didn't know that until when I joined the church and asked the questions.
Patrick Abure: right yeah yeah we can we can definitely we can definitely have an episode that just handles with that
Kimaru: Yeah, I used to just assume like, oh, they don't do this. They don't eat things. They don't do that. Yeah, so.
Kimaru: about church and food oh the food yeah I mean yeah it's true true true oh and then there the thing that I found interesting about the Adventist church honestly was the books the books that you guys write from relationships, family, food, oh my God, there's like a lot of stuff.
Patrick Abure: Yeah. Yes.
Kimaru: I actually have a book right here um by Nancy Van Pelt.
Patrick Abure: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Let me see what it's about. It's called Heart to Heart. It's more about communication in relationships and all that. I've read a couple of pages.
Patrick Abure: You're right.
Kimaru: I need to finish it. And then I also had another one about marriage and whatever.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: It's new, that one. I have given it out so that I can read these on first and then get to that one.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: There's a lot of books. I think I found like that aspect intriguing about the church. Maybe because for you, you've been longer there, you've probably read more texts.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: You could probably tell us your personal experience with the whole, all these writing that is done.
Patrick Abure: yeah Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: How do you experience?
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Honestly.
Patrick Abure: I would just agree with you that we have lots of literature in the Adventist Church, like a lot of it.
Patrick Abure: I i don't think I have even read 0 .5 % of the literature we have. I doubt, yeah.
Kimaru: wow. Interesting.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, like literally right now on my phone, I have an Estet that has over, I think a thousand Adventist books.
Kimaru: Uh -huh. who
Kimaru: Oh, that's a lot of books.
Patrick Abure: It is crazy. Yeah, but I think for me, mild I would say my most exciting read from the many Adventist books that I've read so far is The Last of the Events.
Kimaru: who
Kimaru: who Okay.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, I don't know if you've heard of that book.
Kimaru: No, I have not read it. Is it the same with Great Hope or that's a different one?
Patrick Abure: uh no it's a different one uh but it's by the same author l g white it's called the last day events it's it's a it's a tight book it's i it's probably like around um maybe 200 pages or less yeah and it's very accessible like the text is not as a heavy as the others and the english is
Kimaru: Okay, okay, I've not tried that one. Mm -hmm. All right. Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: Makes sense, okay. That's what I don't know. Mm -hmm. Okay.
Patrick Abure: quite modern it's not like the very old a yeah but for me I think it would be my best you read it's the one I would recommend for someone to read it talks about the last events
Kimaru: okay okay uh -huh versions of data books all right
Kimaru: no
Patrick Abure: at some of the prophecies that are likely to be fulfilled during our days and some of the signs that we can look out for.
Kimaru: who
Patrick Abure: Yeah, for stuff like that. So I think for me it would be my most interesting read.
Kimaru: Okay, okay.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, and then followed by his steps to Christ.
Kimaru: Interesting. Ah, I think you need to actually write these recommendations and forward me.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Most areas, I need them.
Patrick Abure: No, I definitely will do that. I will share with you.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Interesting, thank you.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: the The steps to Christ is so small, but so inspiring.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Like I love that book.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: Yeah. It's so, so good. It's it's just focused. on helping us understand the love of God for us.
Kimaru: Mmhmm. Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, from nature, whether it being you're looking at the animals, the plants, the insects, and so many other tiny animals and so forth, including the and unknown world.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Like when you look at all of that,
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: it's the love of God and so like the book tries to help us understand that important message which is God loves us and that message rings out from all these things all of these things say God loves you God loves you God loves you like
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: Interesting. who Oh, that's like a very interesting take. I think I should actually read that one.
Patrick Abure: It's very short. It's probably one of those books you can read in an hour or maybe two hours depending on your reading speed.
Kimaru: he Okay.
Patrick Abure: It's a book you can read in a day for sure.
Kimaru: um okay
Patrick Abure: yeah I think it's it's the book that most often we give out to people
Kimaru: that.
Kimaru: who who
Patrick Abure: Especially people who are coming to the church for the first time and things like that.
Kimaru: and
Patrick Abure: I think like that book is really, really good. Yeah. In that sense, that it helps you to reflect on the love of ah God for you.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Hmm, I have a lot of work ahead of me. Need to do too. I think I need to like read a lot. There's a lot of text to read. And yeah, I'm going to play catch up.
Kimaru: But I want to, I think this year for me, i'll I'll get started on. I did read like two pages, but I need to do more.
Patrick Abure: yeah oh yeah yeah you know what you know what you've done is you have told us clearly that you're single
Kimaru: I need to finish. I need to do the, I need to read The Great Hope. And then and then I can probably continue reading The Heart to Heart and the Marriage Book.
Kimaru: Looks like I need to start warming myself up for these things. Uh -huh.
Kimaru: No. i didn't i Oh, please.
Kimaru: Oh, no.
Patrick Abure: you know from the start you were like you know what guys it's not like i'm single or anything like that i just want and then you come here and be like i think i need to start raining those such that i warm up
Kimaru: As I say, I'm trying to...
Kimaru: a yeah I could be reading about marriage because I'm kind of planning to get married. You never know. yeah ah no i could I could also be single and want to find out what it feels like to be married or what to expect.
Kimaru: So I think at this point, I don't think I have divulged a lot. It's just you. Maybe because you know a little secret about me and you're trying to tell the viewers, what are you saying?
Patrick Abure: No way. No way.
Kimaru: I can't even keep any secret in this podcast.
Patrick Abure: Okay. okay uh let's let's go back to what we were discussing and thank you i appreciate that that's very kind of you
Kimaru: I know, I know you are hilarious. No, we were talking about books. How? Yeah, yeah like,
Kimaru: like yo please ah So, um let's go back to the books. So what what are you reading this year or what your current read if you're reading anything?
Patrick Abure: So ah how there's this book, it's called The Ministry of Healing. It's written by Ellen G.
Patrick Abure: White.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, so it discusses basically ways of healing that are more like from, let's say, utilizing remedies that exist all around us.
Patrick Abure: For example, whether it be from food, to rest, to sunshine, to exercise and things like that.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Kimaru: Mmhmm.
Patrick Abure: But it connects to that where with the spiritual beat of our life.
Kimaru: Okay.
Patrick Abure: Like how being able to exercise can help us, you know,
Kimaru: Interesting.
Patrick Abure: stay mentally sound to be able to understand the world and even go out with so much vigor and be like yo come to christ yeah it's it's a good one yeah it's it's really nice yeah yeah from foods to so it looks like it's so many things its so it's like one of those books i am hoping i can
Kimaru: Sounds like an interesting read. Oh, wow. um Okay. Interesting.
Patrick Abure: uh read and and and finish uh yeah for 2025 okay so uh so you've been go in and fell shipping at Adventist Church since 2000 uh last year 2024 and uh you've you've been there for now like uh
Kimaru: Interesting. Okay.
Kimaru: um
Kimaru: Yeah. Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: eight weeks or ten weeks or more?
Kimaru: more literal let's agar augustive chamber that's like almost i think i saw lead four months yeah mm -hmm yeah okay mm
Patrick Abure: yeah?
Patrick Abure: a solid four months that's nice so in in the four months that you've been fellow shaping at the Adventist to Church what would you say
Kimaru: -hmm
Patrick Abure: was the thing you liked the most.
Kimaru: Hmm. That's a good question. I think the music.
Patrick Abure: Yeah. The music. like Right.
Kimaru: Yes, I think it will be the music and then I think followed by the fellowship. yeah it's just the community people coming together i don't know i told you i had it's been it had been a while since i was in a physical charge so for me like just being there and just in kisswahili we say i don't know yeah they it's like the communion or the fellowship something like that
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: What is that?
Patrick Abure: Okay. Okay.
Kimaru: close to that if I i have not butchered my Kiswahili yeah so I think that that that that's like a really good thing honestly so those are like propped up mm -hmm
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: and Right. The singing, the community that is in the Adventist church.
Kimaru: oh yeah and of course there there's oh my goodness i think actually i forgot look i think actually the the singing comes even like second of the whatever the least i've forgotten the what do you call this part where you have uh in the morning before charge yeah oh my god i know
Patrick Abure: Yeah?
Patrick Abure: Oh, disabled school? Disabled school discussions.
Kimaru: yeah those oh my god i love those discussions because they kind of allow you to dive deeper into the bible and then like the church has this app where you can you can actually you cannot i think there is also physical books but i prefer the app i just go to my app and i open that app and then maybe you find like there's that reading for the whole of the week
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: hey Yeah.
Kimaru: from Monday to Friday or Sunday to Friday and there's like the way there's the scriptures then it has been elaborated there's more text to that and then you can you can do that reading by yourself and then um during the Sabbath you meet before the services start that's like almost the first service you discuss you give you a point of view what you understood
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: with somebody leaving the discussion that is my favorite that is like oh my god how had they forgotten it it's like top of their list then they're singing on their fellowship yeah yeah ah interesting okay hmm that's i know so i think
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: yes fair enough fair enough honestly i think if if i were to arrange that list i probably would do it the same way you did yeah yeah yeah because like those discussions are awesome yeah sometimes
Kimaru: Yeah, they're really good. They dig deeper.
Patrick Abure: yes sometimes you'll be seated there and then you hear all this interesting stuff just coming out of that discussion and be like wow i never thought of that yeah that's fantastic
Kimaru: Yeah.
Kimaru: I know, I know it's actually very interesting. I i think for the time that I've gone to church, I made sure like I prioritized making sure I am in good time and I attend that part of the service before anything else. Yeah.
Patrick Abure: That's fantastic. and then like
Patrick Abure: i i wanted to ask you but I wanted to ask you this question last.
Kimaru: Okay. Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: Maybe I should ask another before I ask the question I want to ask you, but I wanted to like, for for you, given that a you've now been there for like, I don't know, four months, you're going into five months, what would you say was the most important lesson you learned?
Kimaru: Okay. All right.
Kimaru: you
Kimaru: and The most important clothes on I like.
Patrick Abure: Like the most important lesson you've learned.
Kimaru: or ah interesting. I think for me the most important lesson is um like ah faith, faith and trusting in God like those two.
Kimaru: I feel like sometimes we forget like how much we need God or maybe sometimes we think like I don't know it's like you're lost out there and you feel like oh you know
Patrick Abure: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: God is not coming through for me. I've been praying. I don't think he's listening and whatever. But for me, going to church has taught me more about faith.
Patrick Abure: and Yeah.
Kimaru: and trusting that it's gonna happen. Like I remember like last year, and yeah I think they there was this whole reading from the book of Mark and there were a lot of those miracles that Jesus did.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: And there even there's this one miracle ah he did with a woman man at the well.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: And then Jesus was telling her to fetch water or something like that. And they're like, what?
Patrick Abure: she Yeah.
Kimaru: It's like she was already doubting it's going to happen and she was and well at a very odd hour.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Yeah, so I don't know. I think for me, yeah, the build the the faith and trusting in God that it's going to happen and knowing that sometimes it might not happen in our own timeline, like the way we expect it, you're like, oh, you know,
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Right. Right.
Kimaru: I want this to happen you pray about it and then because it doesn't happen you think that it's never going to happen maybe God has said yes but he's probably delaying your miracle because that is not the appropriate time the one you were expecting in your head so for me it's been more about that it has depend my
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: yes yeah yeah right
Kimaru: my faith and trust in God that stuff will be okay because I remember initially there was a time I would feel like ah what ah ah I've just said like you pray about something it's not happening and then you feel like it's not gonna happen I don't think we God even listens and all that but now I feel like even at in my worst times I feel like I trust more and I believe more and even if it doesn't happen when I want it to happen I know at God's perfect time it sounds cliche but I've seen it happen yeah like at God's perfect time it will happen and what has happened for me is that in those times when I'm feeling like it's not happening God has given me the grace the grace to be patient to be patient and wait for wait for that you know for that right time of his
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Right. Right.
Patrick Abure: Mm hmm.
Kimaru: Yeah. So it's like, no, you no longer feel that burden when you feel like, oh, things are not working the way I want.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: So you now feel like, okay, it has not worked, but I'll be patient. So I guess even those are like three lessons faith, trust and patience to, you know, be able to wait on that thing that you want.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Kimaru: Yeah. Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, those are very important lessons.
Kimaru: but That's, that's me. Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, thank you for sharing that. Yeah. Thank you for sharing that. and I now feel like I need to have more conversations with God like you did.
Kimaru: Yeah? Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: the
Kimaru: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: i I feel inspired right now. I am!
Kimaru: You are?
Kimaru: No, that's really good to hear, honestly. Yeah, honestly, that has been it.
Patrick Abure: I am and I'm very sure that someone else listening to this will feel the same too.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: I hope they do.
Patrick Abure: Learning about your story to where you've come to now, I think it's really incredible. Thank you for sharing it with us. I think regardless of what we are going through,
Kimaru: susan
Patrick Abure: I think I've really learned from you that it's important to reconnect with God.
Kimaru: Oh yeah, very, actually.
Patrick Abure: Yeah, it does.
Kimaru: It works. Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: It does. That magic always works.
Kimaru: Yeah.
Kimaru: i know i know yeah ah it's true honestly yeah i know and then i think at those times when you feel like you're questioning god i think those are the the times you should actually seek him more you know yeah because uh there's this story that is told i i don't know if i remember the story correctly of somebody walking on a beach or something like that i don't know this version i think i'll look this story up
Patrick Abure: Yes.
Patrick Abure: Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: but it's more of like this person was feeling like they cannot do it and then they're asking God but where are you because when they look back they only see yeah their footprints and then like one set of footprints and then God tells them God tells them uh the reason why you see one set of footprints is because those are my footprints I was carrying you through it all yeah so you know
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Patrick Abure: Right.
Patrick Abure: more Wow. So he wasn't even doing it all by himself. He had an invisible hand that was doing the magic.
Kimaru: yeah exactly yeah yeah so you could be out there you're thinking oh you know it's now i came i think god left me i'm just alone but probably he's just there he carried you through it all that's why you are seeing only one set of footprints and not two
Patrick Abure: Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: That's so true. That is so true. Yeah, that's so true. And honestly, I think looking back at the story of the lady that got robbed, my uncle who got robbed, and so many other cases, they could have happened way worse than they did.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Kimaru: That's true.
Patrick Abure: Yeah.
Kimaru: Mm -hmm.
Patrick Abure: And I think the invisible hand of God saved their lives and helped them be there with us even today.
Patrick Abure: And so it's definitely an important thing that we seek God more, even when we question sometimes some of the things that happened to us and his presence and everything.
Kimaru: I'm green.
Kimaru: Yeah, yeah, that's very drug jelly. Mm hmm.
Patrick Abure: Yeah. Well, Kimaru, thank you very much for coming on this packet podcast. Very glad that you could join us today. I hope we are going to be doing more of this together.
Kimaru: Yeah, I can't wait to see where this goes. it's yeah It was truly an amazing conversation. ah Yeah, yeah, definitely. I can't wait to see what we get to do next week.
Kimaru: Oh, the other week. Oh, the other one.
Patrick Abure: yeah yeah i i can't wait
Kimaru: Oh, the other one.
Kimaru: yeah it looks like we are off to an amazing start it's uh it's truly a blessing um i'm glad to be here to be part of this packet podcast i know it's like yeah finally okay you know i can't actually believe you recorded this thing for like an an hour this is amazing
Patrick Abure: Well, we've done it.
Kimaru: You should end the recording so that I can talk to you now.
Patrick Abure: Okay, I'll stop it.
Kimaru: This is a good sample.
