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Hulk Vs. (2009)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris smash their way back to 2009 to discuss the Marvel animated feature, Hulk Vs.
Celebrating its 15th anniversary this week, Hulk Vs. was one of several Marvel animated movies produced by Lionsgate, starting with Ultimate Avengers in 2006. Hulk Vs. is actually two short films combined into one feature, Hulk vs Thor and Hulk vs Wolverine. Zach and Chris talk about Loki's convoluted plan to weaponize the Hulk, the excellent voice cast, Hulk vs Wolverine being a better origin movie for Logan than X-Men Origins: Wolverine (which also came out in 2009), the drastically different levels of violence between the two movies and more. If you want to see Hulk Vs., you'll have to find a physical copy as it's currently unavailable to stream, rent, or purchase anywhere digitally.
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Introduction to the Podcast
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com. Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast for the week of January 22nd, 2024. I'm your host Zach. I'm your host Chris.
15th Anniversary of Hulk vs
00:00:27
Speaker
And yeah, we are smashing back to 2009 this week to talk about Hulk versus
00:00:33
Speaker
the Marvel animated movie, which is celebrating its 15th anniversary. It came out January 27th, 2009. And yeah, an interesting time in the world of Marvel. You know, we've come off like what is, I think a lot of people would consider like the worst year in Marvel history.
Marvel's State in 2009: Pre-Disney
00:00:53
Speaker
But 2009, that was right at the beginning. We've only had two movies in the MCU so far. Disney didn't even own Marvel until the end of 2009. And we had this crazy deal where they made a deal with Lionsgate to put out eight animated movies. Marvel was like, yeah, whatever. We don't know what we're doing. We don't have a coherent plan still.
00:01:23
Speaker
There's no direction, just releasing things whenever they felt. Although it is interesting, I don't know if you saw the credits, but Kevin Feige was on these. He was the second producer on both of these Hulk versus shorts. Really? He was there, yeah. He does not mention that a lot. I mean, we were right at the cusp of MCU, Disney, the MCU coalescing into what we know of the MCU.
DC vs Marvel Animated Movies
00:01:53
Speaker
Because, yeah, 2008, we had Iron Man and Incredible Hulk. And then we also had, 2008, we also had, for DC side, we had Dark Knight. And then Marvel was really, they would definitely become, on the live actor side, the superior company, or the arguably superior company. But on the animated movie side, DC was definitely way ahead of Marvel.
00:02:23
Speaker
I think if you look at what DC anime movies were coming out, in 2009 they had the Wonder Woman, the Carrie Russell Wonder Woman movie, and Batman vs Superman Public Enemies. They were cranking out these really good anime movies, and Marvel was kind of struggling a little bit with those.
Why is Hulk vs. the Best?
00:02:45
Speaker
But for this whole Lionsgate deal, I think you and I would both agree, Chris, Hulk vs. is probably the best one of this whole series of movies they put out. In terms of just being a very great adaptation that requires no... It's a jumping point story, it's good.
00:03:07
Speaker
Yeah, it's pretty much all killer, no filler. They're both, it's like 45 minutes, 30 minutes. They're like these shorts. It gives you like just like a fun, quick, like Marvel story and like old school like comic book too. Like this is like, it's also really weird seeing like pre-MCU, like it's all like the comic book versions of the characters in these anime movies.
00:03:35
Speaker
Right, almost modern classic error designs using kind of like the origin stories that everyone kind of knows are timeless. There's no crazy complicated origin story that can clash. It's just the, here's this thing, something happened, don't worry about it, that part doesn't matter to what's happening now. Good.
00:04:02
Speaker
Ultimates did that for at least first few issues like the ultimate universe until they kind of backpedaled to play up the stories but it's okay the guy it's so like it got like the ultimate universe was created to like streamline things then it got even it got way crazier crazy thing they did two crazy things or three depending on if you count battle world as part of that reorgening but
00:04:27
Speaker
Yeah, that's not getting to that. Yeah, we need to discuss it. But this is good as a classic 80s to 90s Marvel fan that we're super excited when the original movies came, the beginning of the MCU came out. And then, because we kind of knew at that point, a lot of the mega nerds knew that these would be not related to what was happening in the live action universe. So this was meant for just the fans that I feel like
00:04:58
Speaker
the producers and a lot of the business decisions came on catering to the comic people first, and that's what was positive about it. However, we're going to talk about what we did like and did not like, and the Hulk versus movies are like, Hulk's just there? The Hulk just sort of wanders in. It's not really his movies.
00:05:26
Speaker
Well, it's some sort of, yeah, some sort of outside force or some sort of like other plot is happening that like draws, like brings the Hulk in.
Hulk vs Thor: Plot Intricacies
00:05:36
Speaker
I guess, I think we were talking before, let's start with Hulk versus Thor.
00:05:41
Speaker
Cuz cuz yeah Hulk versus is a you know, it's a it's a two-move. It's basically combo pack. It's like two short films combined. It's the one movie But it's weird. I mean, it's funny cuz this is the longest one all versus the one is yeah, it's like 15 minutes longer than There's there's yeah, there's a lot of kind of like it's a little repetitive and there's like a little bit like now we're doing this like
00:06:11
Speaker
But yeah, basically the setup for Hulk versus Thor is that Odin is in his Odin sleep. And when he's in Odin's sleep, all these evil forces attack Asgard trying to take it over because Asgard is vulnerable. And it's actually fun seeing future MCU threats show up. You get a glimpse of Malekith and the executioner.
00:06:38
Speaker
Like Surtur and all these other characters that you would see later in the MCU. Helena's there. Well Hela shows up later in the movie, yeah. Just someone I totally forgot they integrated into this.
00:06:54
Speaker
Yeah, so so yeah, so Thor and the Warriors three ladies if are all, you know, fighting off these various threats like trolls and frost giants or whatever, whoever else try to attack Asgard. But then Loki has this very convoluted plan to kill Thor, take over Asgard, whatever, whatever his plans are. He's brought he's brought Bruce Banner to Asgard with the help of Enchantress, who
00:07:24
Speaker
That's like the one, like the one like major kind of like Thor, you know, Asgard, we haven't really seen in it live action guys, Enchantress. They sort of, they sort of made Hella, Hella was like, like Ragnarok to Hella was sort of like a combo of like Enchantress and Hella. Really? I always felt like MCU, they made female Loki into Enchantress.
00:07:45
Speaker
Oh, yeah, Sylvie's kind of enchantress, yeah. Sylvie's more like enchantress than... I think Age of the Shield also had like a vague, like, it's an Asgardian sorceress. Like, can I search into the water or something? Yeah. I mean, enchantress is more than a sorceress. The problem is, enchantress is that it's all illusionary, but it's, she's like plot device, like, whenever they need her to do magic, it's just generic magic.
00:08:12
Speaker
But yeah, she sided with Loki because she's angry that Thor has chosen Lady Sif over her in this love triangle. And so they bring Bruce Banner to Asgard. And then they do a bunch of steps. Bring Bruce to Asgard. And then they separate Bruce from the Hulk. So there are two separate entities now.
00:08:39
Speaker
the attention status spell that gives Loki control of the Hulk. So like, oh, he can like he like every day, all of his actions, like the Hulk mimics them and then like they just like, throw the Hulk at like Asgard, they just like, destroy everything. It's got like a crazy
00:09:02
Speaker
gimmick because there's not like Bruce Banner was like he fell into like some sort of like vortex or something. He just shows up. Yeah. Hulk I don't even know what happened prior. It doesn't really matter because it but the stupid part is that you can just do that to the Hulk anytime you want apparently. If you want him to be there he'll be like Asgard to be like and you're here.
00:09:30
Speaker
It's such a crazy like this the multi layers are so crazy like I feel like you just like you just like mind control the Hulk and just make him like yeah like you Like you see Thor's like a like you want to kill him or something go kill him or whatever But it's like this whole yeah, we got ripped. We have separate them. We got to have you know make Loki like he's like he's basically like like virtual reality controlling the Hulk or something or he's like it like Row controlling the Hulk. It's it's so it's such a crazy elaborate scheme
00:10:00
Speaker
where it feels like there could have been just one step like, Oh, he's my control to go like we dropped. Yeah, they really could have saved a lot of time by just possessing him, but they did the whole soul separation. Yeah. And I
Loki's Loss of Control
00:10:17
Speaker
don't know if low key basically had to mimic
00:10:22
Speaker
He needed to make Loki with his little mech. He needs like a VR treadmill. Yeah, the Omnipad. Yeah. Yeah, I will. I'm fine with it. It's magic. It's just whatever they need for the plot. And I will say, probably my favorite thing about Hulk vs. Thor is Graham McTavish as Loki is just so good. He almost sounds like Julian Sands.
00:10:51
Speaker
I was just like, I couldn't quite place the voice in the intro because I was like, is this Julian Sands? Julian Sands is Loki at one point. And then, yeah, like he does a decent Loki as just sort of this English, European. Just super arrogant, super conniving, like calling Bruce a worm constantly. Like, shut up worm.
00:11:19
Speaker
And when you think Loki, it's usually the Tom Hilsden, so the more lighter English accent, then like almost like you're almost watching a Jane Austen novel, or you have sort of the high pitch more like Joker-esque voices of Loki. So when he's neither of those, it does remind you more of the
00:11:47
Speaker
classic Loki from the Loki TV show. Oh, it's like Richie Grant. Yeah. Yeah. And this and this this all all the character designs in Hulk versus versus are like, you know, classic comic books. So it's like, you know, it's classic, it's classic like giant horns, greens, outfit, Loki. Thor with a giant cape. Like, yeah.
00:12:09
Speaker
That's what I grew up with most of the Loki stuff. Growing up in the 90s and early 2000s comics, comic book heroes looked like they did in the 80s. Or they got a weird 90s reboot, but eventually went back to the classic. And they brought, Graham McTavish came back for Earth's Might as Heroes when they had Loki, so he was Loki on that show as well. R.I.P. for the greatest shows of all time. He was good Loki. Yeah.
00:12:39
Speaker
He definitely seemed mischievous instead of someone that is going to be more of a trickster guy. Loki might be actually crazy, and you shouldn't be relaxed around him. And he's still doing it today. His character on The Witcher is basically the same thing. Like this conniving, arrogant sorcerer. Yeah, yeah.
00:13:09
Speaker
But yeah, so they pull off this whole magic scheme. They unleash the Hulk on the forces of Asgard. And then the Hulk just starts beating down everyone. He just demolishes the Warriors 3, demolishes Baldur. And then Thor realizes what's going on. He tries to go fight him. And then there's our first big knockout drag-out fight between Hulk and Thor. And Hulk just demolishes him.
00:13:34
Speaker
Well, this is Hulk without any banner or humanity. So it's just a monster. Well, it's versus Loki controlling the Hulk. Oh, true. No, no, no. I think he versus Thor. But like during that time,
00:13:52
Speaker
Loki loses control. Yeah, because he tries to pick up, like he's like, oh, I'm going to pick up Mjolnir. I have the power to like, finally I can pick up Mjolnir and wield it now. But like, you're not worthy. Even if the Hulk is not worthy to pick up Mjolnir. But then Loki gets so angry that it breaks the spell. And then we just say it's like pure rage. Not even a sliver of Bruce Banner to control the Hulk. So it's like pure rage Hulk just like running around just like. And then he just like almost straight up murders Thor.
00:14:21
Speaker
I think he does it's like it's it's with it like yeah he's obviously with it like an inch of his life because he sees hella and hellas like he's like coming like hey you're dead now i'm taking you like you're going to super valor apparently yeah uh so okay this kind of brings it back to about like souls because they're they implying that the whole doesn't have a soul i think well i think they when they get to later is like
00:14:50
Speaker
Bruce, the Hulk and Bruce Banner are each a half of a soul, and if they combine they're a full soul, that's the whole thing, and when they get to hell later, it's like, oh, he's only half a soul. He's separating two different entities, and the Hulk is his own soul, and then the Banner part is just Banner, who he also dies. Yeah,
Hulk vs Wolverine: Backstory Exploration
00:15:11
Speaker
Logan just fucking murders him. Logan's just like, I don't need you anymore, Banner. You pooty worm just zaps him and he's dead. Yeah.
00:15:20
Speaker
I mean, because Banner outside of the hall really is sort of useless, except besides his brain, like, you know, not giving a quiz or inventing time travel. But in this and in Vocal vs. Wolverine, Bruce Banner is just a very, he's always just scared freaking out. You don't get any sort of scientific genius Bruce Banner in this Hulk vs. movie. He's just like, oh shit, oh god! Get away from me!
00:15:50
Speaker
I can't turn the Hulk. In the Ultimate universe, the Hulk was that. In terms of the 90s, the Jay Green Hulk, where he was smart, he was charismatic, and he wasn't dumb. They referred him back to being a big dummy in the Ultimate off the bat. And I don't think he ever becomes smart Hulk to the degree that he was able to drive a car and put on a suit like he did in the 90s comic. But in this version, Hulk is a banner is that
00:16:20
Speaker
Banner also was like that in the ultimate like he sort of is like an asshole when he's not the whole it's like it's sort of like him being the Hulk rubbed off on his like nice guy persona and sort of makes him unstable and trustworthy and it's like the one time they really need him it's like we just need you to do this well all the ultimates were like raging ass those like edgy assholes some sort of weird
00:16:45
Speaker
some sort of weird quirk or like, I mean, there was like incest going on. That was that was a weird. Yeah, it was the grim dark universe. Yeah. Trying to be edgy to be edgy. And you know, it would have been a new metal soundtrack if someone had their way. Yep. I'm surprised this didn't have a new medicine. You know, I think the trailer might have. I think when this is coming out. Yeah. You rent it like one of those other non like
00:17:14
Speaker
Disney, like Fox movies, it was like, you know, like you went down with the sickness display or something. It's like, I'm having this weird memory of it because I think like Punisher Warzone had like a preview or something for this. And it's just like, you would watch it and then you're like, all right, you're pumped for more Marvel content made by whoever. Let's see if it's ever connected. But yeah, like you knew you would have it. But I do appreciate that it is orchestral is
00:17:44
Speaker
classic music and art. But yeah, when you see how much kind of care went into just having big characters being...
00:17:57
Speaker
lot of like world building and just the side story like so because if you see the Warriors 3 I think like the Thor movie was still in like pre-production so yeah Thor wouldn't come out till like 2010 I think so this is like doesn't happen yeah oh yeah yeah so like two years before Thor came to live action
00:18:23
Speaker
which speaking of it is it is weird to hear like the voice for Matt Matthew Wolf who does Thor in this movie it's very jarring killing him compared to like Chris I think he's very he's very soft-spoken
00:18:42
Speaker
I mean he does he does like yell a couple like just like yo like you know reap the thunder or whatever like feel the thunder or like certain times like he's like we first started talking like this is like uh he sounds like lego-list or something he sounds like an elf or like he's like a very you know he's like a very soft-spoken thrower compared to like you know cuz Heather's like loud boisterous thrower Australian thrower
00:19:05
Speaker
I'm also thinking, I've heard probably like more of a classic Thor that is almost like Shakespearean. Yeah, he's not really, yeah, I mean, we get a little bit of like, thee and thy in here, but yeah, no one's gonna like, it's not like the full like crazy Shakespearean like classic Thor, like, thy, feel thy hammer of villain, like. Yeah, if you ever played Ultimate Alliance, Thor sounds more like the classic.
00:19:34
Speaker
And then the text, it's more like that. But yeah, but back to the plot of Hulk for Stor. So yeah, so we get a huge Hulk for Stor fight, which lives up to the title of the movie. It's a little bit of a classic wrestling match, where Hulk's winning for a little bit, and Thor kind of comes back a little bit,
00:20:01
Speaker
When Hulk loses Loki's control, there's a full unbridled rage. He punches Thor through a mountain at one point, and then Thor is basically on his last leg. He sees Hela, which means he's going to die, basically. But then it turns out that Hela turns into Enchantress, and then Enchantress gives him a magical kiss, and he comes back. Which is bullshit.
00:20:32
Speaker
Yeah, so he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,
00:20:50
Speaker
Yeah. And he's just like, that's nice. Go, go like lady stuff. Like if you ever like me, I guess like he convinces her so easily. I get the kiss like she doesn't want him to die. She even says like, I just wanted to like make you mad. Yeah. Or like I was mad at you because you choose stiff over me. But I don't want you to die. Fine. Fine with that. However, uh, she like instantly heals him in that kiss. And that's how I say bullshit because
00:21:21
Speaker
Like, why is she, like, in the background? Like, she should be, like, the field medic. She's just instantly healing these warriors. No one would die. Thor makes a big deal. Then he goes like, oh, I'm so tired of this endless bloodshed, like, this cycle of death all the time. And they don't address it. They just mention that. And then... When they go to hell, it's like everyone in hell is, like, there, like, recently because of, like, the battle that happens. Yes! You see what I mean? I was like, what?
00:21:51
Speaker
I get the other people that try to invade because Odin goes to sleep every few years. That was crazy. There's no health system in Azra. Asgard? Yeah, but when they go to hell, what do they call that? Hell. It's just hell? It's hell with one L. That's the Norse version of hell.
00:22:19
Speaker
I thought it was some other North name, but that's fine. Like, a more, like, crazier name. Hal and Hal. Yeah. I don't know. I think, like, is it, like, like, uh, Musilheim or something, or Misalot and Miflheim? One of those is, like, also, like, your name for it? Well, Niflheim is another... Is the elf realm, I think. I think it's, like... So, Niflheim is another Hal... It's, like, before Hal sometimes?
00:22:47
Speaker
I'm trying to think of God of War when they bring it up. Nippelheim is sort of like another like dead land. At least that's my understanding. I can be wrong. No, yeah. I think it's just Hellheim or Hell is like Hellheim. That's what I'm thinking of.
00:23:06
Speaker
I know. Yeah, so yeah, Thorf, it just tells Thor where Loki is, a person, and then they have to go to hell, they have to team up to go to hell just because, like, Thor, the Hulk is just gonna, like, destroy all, like, every, like, every realm because he's just, like, an unstoppable killing machine now. But, okay, here's the thing. They could easily teleport the Hulk away.
00:23:31
Speaker
Oh they do, I mean they do later too, so it's like... In terms of, oh we don't have to stop him, you don't really stop the Hulk, you just send him off. But I guess because there's no banner he doesn't turn off, so wherever you send him he's just gonna fuck around. Yeah. But okay, so Loki's plan was just to like, send the Hulk into Asgard, and then eventually
00:23:54
Speaker
stop him. It seems like he wanted it like his main goal was to kill Thor. And then if you kill Thor, then he'd be like, well, now I know like there's no one to stop me. I could take over Asgard. I got like, I don't know if you want to. I don't want his father to die. So that was the big. Oh, yeah, it's very, it's very like it seemed like it was like kill Thor question mark. No, I think he gets more concerned once he realizes his father is like in the way.
00:24:22
Speaker
And also, like, the whole could, like, destroy, oh, just, like, wreck Asgard to, like, turn everything into rubble, and then he would have nothing. You'd be king of nothing. But, I mean, I get it, because, basically, he tore through the highest offense, and then, yeah, like, once you kill Thor, there's no other contender yet. There's no, like, other guy in training, I guess. And then, yeah, Loki just, his plans are terrible. Like, for a god,
00:24:51
Speaker
No, no follow through. And he's the God of Mischief. So it's like, he causes mischief to himself. Like, yeah, he's actually like, so like, when he causes the mischief, it's just because he has to do it to himself because he is the God of Mischief. Or is there another God of Mischief that fucks with him from an unfortunate? I don't know. It fucking starts infinitely looping on itself. But yeah, so but they have to go to hell because Loki killed Bruce Banner in his soul is in hell now.
00:25:21
Speaker
And it's weird too to like, we get like the comic book version of Hella where it's like, she is Loki's daughter and not their like, you know, sister. And then, and then, yeah, Bruce isn't like, it's so weird too, cause like, it's like, you know, it's hell, but then Bruce isn't like this like super pleasant, like, idyllic life. Well, I think it's torture to him because he,
00:25:49
Speaker
It's torture when he gets sucked out of it. But when he's in it, he's like, oh, this is great. This is what he wanted. I think it's because his life is living hell. So when he goes to hell, it's actually way better. His mind's at rest. But it's like he's living a lie, and that's the hell? Maybe? I don't know. I can get really deep in why his hell is a paradise. Yeah.
00:26:14
Speaker
But the movie doesn't really want to pay attention to that. You sympathize basically why he wants to stay. Like why he's just like, I like being bruised by myself. I don't need to deal with the whole part. Or maybe that's how it controls like her souls. Like she gives them like, whatever they like, they're like, this is what you're like, you know, perfect existences. And then you'll stay in it. You're trapped in hell. You're voluntary staying in hell. But he didn't voluntarily stay in hell. He got like forced power to death.
00:26:43
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just I'm just saying like how maybe maybe hella controls everyone It's like here's here like I'll get like you're trapped here and I like I keep you trapped here with like you're like Whatever like your like dream is or something Yeah, they don't really get into much more only because then they just you're asking for questions They just can't answer because I think because I get north analogy it's either you go to hell or you go to Valhalla and
00:27:10
Speaker
But you can only go to hell if you die in battle, so. So you always go to hell? But then some of the people that went into hell were from that battle that they fought. Yeah. See, I'm like, I'm so confused. But we do we do get some classic, like, low key manipulations, where it's like, oh, you only have half a soul daughter. You need to get you need to get the Hulk here and then you'll get your prize to be completes.
00:27:39
Speaker
And so yeah, so they do bring the Hulk to hell and then Bruce Bruce kind of like recombines with the Hulk and then just like, you know, restore control and get transferred back into like just regular Bruce Banner. And then, uh, like hell is like, well, I lost a soul, so I need a soul to return. And then Loki gets sucked into like the depths of hell by zombies.
00:28:08
Speaker
Uh, so that was kind of like a twist. Yeah. And even hella like we're sure is like, oh, I'm not going to kill him. He's just going to hang out. It's my dad. Yeah. I also, I also love like Thor's like, I can fight you for my wall. I mean, can you Thor? You lost to just like a strong monster dude.
00:28:31
Speaker
And then, yeah, so then Loki's like trapped in like a crystal for who knows along. And then Odin wakes up and everyone's happy. Odin makes everyone like chant for Bruce Banner, who's like the most powerful hero of the day. He's like, he's the true hero. He faces his monster, controlled it.
00:28:52
Speaker
but they could have dropped them off somewhere nice. They dropped them off in the middle of the desert. They used to walk back. I do. I do love that. I feel like that's definitely like an homage, like the like TV show. Although they could definitely could lean further into like the, um, have some like the classic, like the, like the whole sad piano music going or something. I think CBS owns the rights of that song. Probably. Uh, just like, but like a, like a version that's like close enough, like legally distinct version of it, just to be like, you know what we're doing.
00:29:23
Speaker
It's the criminal TV show. But yeah, the whole story, this one, it's fine, it's not terrible, but definitely this one, there's a little, there's definitely some fat that could have chopped off of like,
00:29:46
Speaker
There's kind of like just kind of like two there's like two like kind of repetitive battles between the Hulk and Thor like they basically like do a fight And then there's like a little break and they fight again. It's basically a thing Yeah, but this time it's it's just like oh Thor didn't learn anything better when he came back from the dead. He just did the same thing Like he didn't mix up the tactic Mm-hmm and then and then like going to hell and stuff
00:30:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird that this one is like 50 minutes longer than all versus Wolfraid. There's not really much added to it that makes it seem like, oh, we needed an extra 50 minutes of this.
00:30:26
Speaker
Yeah, they could have made it tighter. I think it's a lot of establishing shots and a lot of celebration scenes, like when they're cheering or they're talking, when there's comedy. Yeah, there's like, there's like almost three. Yeah, the worst we got a bunch of get like a couple like, like, you know, wacky comedy scenes like, are we we're bantering. We're friends and it's fine. It's
00:30:49
Speaker
The only thing is like the world building wasn't there yet unless you were really like a big Thor fan. But this was like Hulk versus not Thor hangs out and sees the Hulk.
00:30:59
Speaker
Yeah, it is. It is. It is fun to kind of see like all these characters be like, oh, man, in two years, he's always characters in me in live action. Yeah, I do appreciate it. That's why now they watch it. It's fun to see more of that Thor universe that I was unfamiliar with at first. And how I know of them more is through the MCU. I didn't read a lot of Thor comics just because Thor wasn't really my character.
00:31:27
Speaker
He'd show up and I'd be fine with it. He was a great, like, assist. He's the guy that, like, in my comic reading, he showed up. It just, that's nice. Like, he knew to be there, but I don't, he's not, I didn't care about his love life. I didn't care about his parental problems. I didn't care about him and Loki. You know, like, it just wasn't my jam. What about you?
00:31:52
Speaker
Yeah, same thing. I didn't seek out Thor comics. But if he showed up and said something, I'd be like, oh, Thor's here. OK, that's fun. Honestly, the better versions of his character for me was the ultimate one, where he came to Earth and really in the late 90s, early 2000s, I'm from not from here. And I'm like, god, if people loved him, he's basically a rock star.
00:32:17
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And there was there's sort of a question like, oh, is he actually Thor? Is he just like a lunatic? Who's to say he's Thor? And then like a couple issues and they're like, oh, they reveal like, oh, yeah, he actually has like lightning powers. He's the real Thor. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think I remember from the Ultimates, he just was hanging out in New York and just drinking and like. Yeah.
00:32:35
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party. Do you have a cult or something? Yeah. People that worship him, but then Nick Fury and the Ultimates were like, is he actually powers? Or is he just this crazy guy? I got to reread what the incentive action was for them to form the Ultimates, for them to recruit. But yeah, it was like,
00:33:00
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I always thought we started, you know, it was like that MCU kind of Nick Fury doing that. That is ripped off on the Ultimates. Just, okay, hey, we know of them. We don't need them yet until something bad happens and then time to recruit. And also the fact that like Nick Fury is same about Jackson, that's the key right for the Ultimates. Oh yeah. So like we do credit it. Like it's nice. I did grow up with it too, but that definitely challenged my reading.
00:33:27
Speaker
And then, you know, the movies and then things like this brought me back in the fold. But again, this movie wasn't bad. It definitely felt like it could have been shorter just because we want to give it more time for the other part of this. But in terms of watchability, it's fine. Like, do you need to see it? Is it a must watch? Is it memorable? No. Like, I sometimes forget that was a thing.
00:33:56
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You know, I don't think, is it on Disney Plus? Well, that's the thing about these, like, Lions, because Lionsgate is one that published all these movies, or distributed all these movies. So these are like, I think there would be some sort of rights thing, where they're like, does he want to pay Lionsgate to get the rights for you? So these are never going to appear on Disney Plus, I don't think. Yeah, that sucks. Let's say we're going to have some deal, but everyone's trying to have, like, not try to license things that are their own thing.
00:34:27
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I think the only way to get these is like physical media, like DVD or Blu-ray. Yeah, I like rented this, I believe. I got a Blu-ray from like when a blockbuster closed. That was one of the ones I bought from the blockbuster. When a blockbuster closed by me, I got a rough copy of The Spirit for like a buck. Yeah. I think I got Punisher Warzone and Hulk versus.
00:34:57
Speaker
Dabbling in the Marvel stuff. But let's jump over to the other feature on Hulk versus, Hulk versus Wolverine, aka Wolverine versus weapon X featuring the Hulk. Which I think both of us, this is our favorite of the two.
00:35:18
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But if you're grading it on living up to the title concept, which is Hulk fighting people, or fighting another
Wolverine's Classic Showdown with Hulk
00:35:27
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character, there's not really a lot of Hulk fighting Wolverine in this Hulk vs. Wolverine short. No, Hulk does fight Wolverine, and it's very strong, but then it loses focus on that. The beginning of the movie is Hulk vs. Wolverine, and that turns into
00:35:47
Speaker
I mean, you get, you get a whole like Wolverine's backstory. You basically get X-Men Origins Wolverine in like 30 minutes. Which is crazy because like, this, like, this, like, this, like, this, Hulk vs. Count the same year as X-Men Origins Wolverine. And it's like, it's crazy that like this 30 minute, like animated movie is better than X-Men Origins, like this like, you know, two hour X-Men Origins Wolverine movie. And that gives you more of what you want from that.
00:36:16
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Yeah, it's more solid. It's a solid introduction. But there is a crazier, like, Weapon X introduction where Wolverine basically just gets drunk and then thrown into a headphone. It is the silliest, like, shortcut. It doesn't explain anything besides, like, did they just guess that he's a mutant? Did they drug him? It's no good. They're tracking him, yeah. Get in the van. Just get him.
00:36:45
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But the initial setup is that the Hulk is rampaging through Canada. And so is it project H or program H or like government agency like Wolverine works for? Department H. Department H. They get Wolverine. They want to track down this creature and stop it.
00:37:09
Speaker
And we get a lot of cool Wolverine hanging out in the helicopter and being badass. And he jumps out of a plane, jumps out of a helicopter with no parachute, just jumps onto a mountain. And it's also classic yellow and blue costume Wolverine, colloquial Wolverine. Very cool. We won't see that for a while. No, not until this year. In live action at least. And yeah.
00:37:39
Speaker
It's really cool. We get a lot like Wolverine like tracking. They really like highly like his tracking skills. He's like tracking it's like the woods and stuff. But then eventually like like he comes across Bruce Banner and at the Hulk and then but then like his super smell tells him that it's the same smell as the Hulk. It's like he's like roughing up Bruce Banner, which is like, you know, obviously not a great idea. And so like Bruce transforms the Hulk and they have a they have a fight. I got on this. There's no
00:38:07
Speaker
You have to know that basically who Wolverine is just because the movie doesn't, I mean, it gives you a breakdown of who he is just by the one thing, but this is like a highlight. This was a, uh, an amazing, like this could have been featured in an X-Men cartoon, just a one-off Wolverine episode, right? Like an X-Men evolution. It could have been the 94 X-Men. This just could have been its own thing.
00:38:40
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Or was it Wolverine, the X-Men came out around the same time? I think that was either right after this or right before this. And it's also, Steve Bloom is Wolverine in this. And he's been Wolverine in the video games. For, yeah, for like till pretty much now.
00:38:59
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Well, he was Wolverine and he wasn't he wasn't 94. He wasn't like the X-Men. He wasn't. That was that was. He was Wolverine in like the 2004 2005 X-Men RPG game. The one that plays like Diablo. Yeah. But I think it's like I think in Midnight Suns, he was Wolverine. Yeah, he was Wolverine in Midnight Suns. That was like last year.
00:39:28
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And, yeah, I mean, also, like, Steve Bloom, just, like, legendary voice actor, like, he's Spike and Callie Bebop, he's Zadman, Star Wars Rebels, like, he's, like, like, every major nerd thing he's been, like, a major voice in. And he is, like, Wolverine is a great, such a great Wolverine voice, like, he's what you want from, like, a Wolverine voice.
00:40:02
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But yeah, Wolverine and Hulk, they have a great fight, but then it gets interrupted by Weapon X shows up, which in Hulk vs. the team is Deadpool, Omega Red, Sabretooth, and Lady Deathstrike. Omega Red stands out because he wasn't part of Weapon X.
00:40:27
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Yeah, I feel like I feel like that was like either like a nod to like fans of like Marvel versus Capcom or like the like X-Men anime like the 90s anime series. It's like the kids love Omega Red. So get him in there. And yet the problem is that like Omega Red doesn't look like the way he's supposed to be. He's supposed to be this giant like hulking. He basically is like a Russian Hulk with tentacles.
00:40:57
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And he just looks like a regular dude. That's one part, my thing will maybe be red. You're supposed to be like the most Russian like creation. And then, nah, he just looks like fine. And the fact that this is a Canadian project and then he just worked with Russia. Apparently, yeah. And Japan, because it's only destroyed like Japanese. It is, but she said that depending on which version
00:41:26
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She's either the daughter of the doctor that made Wolverine, or she is one of Wolverine's jaded exes from Japan before he joined Weapon X program that followed him there and then got the procedure later. Like it alters, but yeah, she shouldn't really be in the classic Weapon X program. Maverick should be there. He's usually the classic Weapon X guy.
00:41:55
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Deadpool, yeah. That was a fun one. Yeah, I'm trying to figure out where was Deadpool in popularity-wise or like, you know, like, recognition-wise in like 2009. I mean, he would be in X-Men Origins of Wolverine in like the most awful, awful, most awful form possible. But I think he was in like Ultimate Lights 2 and like...
00:42:25
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Well yeah, but that Ultimate Alliance 2 came out like 2010. And there had to been like an ongoing book probably, right? But like, I feel like this is like right before Deadpool really exploded, probably. The popularity? Deadpool was pretty popular in 2004. Yeah. Like he was, when they started redoing him from this Udon Entertainment team up,
00:42:52
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with Marvel, and then they started doing an anime style, it started popping off. And when they did the cable Deadpool team up, that's where the balance. They figured out, OK, we need the straight man to Deadpool's wackiness. The Daniel Way run started the year before this movie came out. So that was a huge book, I think.
00:43:22
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And it's no one north voicing Deadpool. Was it the first time you voiced Deadpool? Or maybe somebody else said... I know, he wasn't Ultimate Alliance yet. It might have been the year after this.
00:43:43
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Yeah, because it's weird because like because like in um Like x-men legends apparently and like in the ultimate alliance. It's john gazere aka the crypt keeper is a deadpool X-men legends like card game. Well, like x-men legends to like, you know the precursor to that ultimate ultimate alliance Okay. Okay. I forgot he's in that game. Yeah And he's in both the ultimate alliance games, but yeah, I think after
00:44:12
Speaker
Like, after, I think this might, this might be like, see, uh, Nolan North's first time voicing Deadpool, and then he's basically, he's, he's Deadpool. Anything that's not live-action Ryan Reynolds is Nolan North now for Deadpool. Makes sense. He's good. Uh, he basically, for me, like, uh, definitely this came out, and then when I bought Spider-Man Shadow Dimensions, he's all, he's ultimate Deadpool in that one. Yeah. And then, uh,
00:44:40
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't play like the Lego one. I didn't play the superhero online squad one. Do you remember Marvel Superhero squad online? Like they have the ultimate alliance. Not really. It was promising. It looked good because that was the only thing closest to like ultimate alliance for kids.
00:45:06
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And then the Deadpool game came out in 2013, a couple years after this, so... How much? Much later. Yeah, but that was still North North. And even recent stuff, he's still Deadpool. And other animated Marvel stuff, I think... Was it Spectacular Spider-Man or Ultimate Spider-Man? Deadpool showed up and it was North still, so...
00:45:33
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Yeah, very, very, very super fun, Deadpool voice. There's some really good like Deadpool lines and first of all, my favorite is definitely like, it's like he's shooting when he shoots, he's like, die, die, die, die, die, die, die, die. He really encompassed the character's wackiness and the cruelty almost the way that you think it's gonna be this fun anti hero, but then he's actually kind of like
00:46:02
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very cool towards like uh yeah yeah he's he's straight up a villain and like all the way back all the web next like team team is our list like horrible straight up villains
00:46:15
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Did you like the cameo of WeaponX23? I guess so.
00:46:41
Speaker
Because X23 didn't show up in any other anime movies or in live action, she wanted to show up to Logan. So it's like... When did X23 debut? Was that recent to this? And they were like, look, she's here. You guys read that comic? I looked it up recently. It was like 2005. OK. X23 premiered...
00:47:10
Speaker
in, actually, sorry, in 2003 from X-Men Evolution. That's her initial appearance because they were like, we just need a female Wolverine villain. Then they brought her into the fold into the comics later on to explain her. So maybe that was like a, I feel like there's a lot of like callbacks to like, oh, it's like, here's like an Easter egg or like a callback or like, if you're a fan of like the X-Men 90s cartoon or like, you like X-Men Evolution, like here's like X-23, maybe X-23.
00:47:41
Speaker
Well, because it's like, I, I guess they, um, like an X-Men evolution, they sort of just like mentioned that she's a clone and then they didn't really give her a backstory. So I do like this could fit in the X-Men evolution storyline, just because it makes sense that X-Men evolution was at that point, the latest X-Men show that ended in 2011. So during this time, but not 2011,
00:48:11
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Uh, 2003. So yeah, some people that started watching X-Men game into this, this was like their way of sort of tying it. Even though the character design is different, it's another X-Men show. Yeah. Man, do you remember like waiting from 2000, from 98 maybe to 2001 before the next X-Men TV show? I don't think, I never watched X-Men Evolution.
00:48:40
Speaker
I didn't I watched I watched the 90s one and then I was then I think it was like it was like Debbie kiss Debbie be a deer I was like more like Watching Fox kids and not kiss Debbie be or something. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I Watched this like it was just you know consuming more stuff you like so I definitely watch this and yeah, like I definitely aged out to some degree but I
00:49:09
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It was nice to see like how it ties in and especially the comic nerd to see the references and then like, Oh wow. Like they kind of got the universe building and you're right. What a weird thing to point out and then not follow through. It's great world building because they kind of would do that, but maybe it was a gamble. They don't know. Maybe they might get more. They didn't, but you know, back then.
00:49:35
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We also mentioned it, but after Hulk and Wolverine are captured, we get this five-minute montage of how Wolverine became Wolverine, where Weapon X found him drunk outside a bar, and they captured him, and they pumped him full of adamantium, and then unleashed him. Well, it was nice to see, basically, the Weapon X program in action. Yeah.
00:50:02
Speaker
just like but the thing they did a little strangely was they just did the Star Wars let the guy hover in a glass tube experiment thing that no security he broke out immediately as soon as he was like I'm done with that I don't know how he broke his brainwashing I do like that you see you see different costumes of Wolverine how he went from the like
00:50:29
Speaker
We have an X version of himself. There's the testing one. Yeah. We're in the helmet. And then he gets the, like, the murder suit. Like the Black Ops, like, yeah. The Black Ops one that he uses just to murder shit. But does that mean that they designed that outfit he wears now? Like, was it inspiration from what he wears? I couldn't figure that one out.
Violence and Tone in Hulk vs Wolverine
00:50:50
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Or he designed himself. He's like, I like, I hate, I hate those guys, but I like the suit. But I'm going to make a yellow.
00:51:01
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And then, oh, before we get too far on that, I really like that when Hulk and Wolverine fight in the beginning, it is a nod to the classic Hulk versus Wolverine fight that they had. And even some of the modern updates, there's one shot where you can see the Hulk's reflection on Wolverine's blades, his claws, and it's taken from a comic book cover. Yeah.
00:51:30
Speaker
There are cool, uh, references to, you know, their origins. So again, this is why this wins me over. I do also love like, there's like two, there's like two points. Like in the first fight, like Hulk punches like Wolverine, it's like the fucking like stratosphere. And then like later on, like you punch like saber tooth, just like into like, like, like miles away. So like two people just get like punched like, like hundreds of miles away by the Hulk.
00:51:57
Speaker
This is just like and like and then like I love how the whole like the whole short like opens up with like Wolverine's like in a crater He's like wait, what what happened? Yeah, but after the weapon acts like origin so like Wolverine breaks out he Then he finds Bruce Banner and basically weapon X wants to like do the same thing they did to Wolverine but like brainwashed like Bruce Banner slash the Hulk and then turned the Hulk into a weapon and
00:52:27
Speaker
but then, you know, Wolverine shows up and like, you know, like, like, uh, you know, screws everything up, like freeze, freeze first banner. Then they start like, and then they've, they've, they've drug first banner. So he can't get, so he can't get angry or like, he is like, transformation, not working. So I love like Wolverine is like, he stabs him in the gut. He's just like, well, that does that make you mad, bub? Like his crazy plan worked. Imagine it didn't. And then I was just like, Oh, you've now murdered this innocent man.
00:52:57
Speaker
But he was assigned to do it. Department H still wins. Yeah. But then the Hulk is just like, he's fighting a weapon axe. He's also just like, he's fighting a weapon axe to get through to Wolverine, because he's just like, claw man, stab me! Well, the Hulk screams up and goes like, he hate claw people, because Sabertooth, Lee, Death Strike, Wolverine, they all have claws. Maybe you'd consider some of Omega Red's tentacles as claw-like, but
00:53:27
Speaker
No, it's straight up like Hulk remembers them. And I think it kills Deadpool like Talky Man or something, too. Yeah. Talky Man! But also, they, Woman-S has been chasing the Hulk for a week around Canada.
00:53:44
Speaker
Yeah, which there's a weird thing. They don't really like they do it briefly, but they don't really like like like dig into it like like expand on it. But like because there's a there's a flashback. You see like the carnage of like this town got destroyed and they're like, oh, the Hulk did this. But then there's like you see what you see like later on when like the Hulk gets freed. And then it's like there's a flashback to like Hulk was like trying to protect like these like this like family. And then it was like just like like indiscriminately shooting everywhere. And they're the ones that blew the town basically.
00:54:14
Speaker
But yeah, you would know if the body you found was full of bullets, because the Hulk doesn't have a gun. Yeah. But like, well, like, but like, there's never like, like, Wolverine's like, oh, he's a good guy or like, like, do these are like revelation or like, like, what were you never like, learns that or like, we get a flashback to it as the audience, like, no one ever like, like, doesn't seem like any of the like Wolverine doesn't like realize that or figure that out. Nope.
00:54:41
Speaker
Well, because he just knows what it's like to be a monster. So I guess that's the silent thing. And he's not there to comfort the Hulk. Hulk doesn't want to be vindicated. He just wants to be left alone. Yeah.
00:54:54
Speaker
Oh, one thing we have to mention is Hulk vs Wolverine is so much more violent than Hulk vs Thor. Oh, yeah. It's kind of crazy. Thor gets a little bit of blood trickle out of his mouth than Hulk vs Thor. This one is people are getting... Wolverine and Hulk are getting... Especially Wolverine. He's slashing through weapon X soldiers and blood's everywhere.
00:55:19
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Professor gets his arm cut off, his hand cut off, and Deadpool's getting his arm cut off and everything. It's like the ramp up of violence in this one is crazy compared to like all first floor. I mean, I think the whole movie's very PG-13, but yeah, it's definitely very noticeable. PG-13 is a hard 13. Yeah.
00:55:44
Speaker
Like, yeah, there's like, there's like, there's like, you see like the car, like, there's like carnage, like after Wolverine, like, like, like blows through like a bunch of like, weapon X soldiers, and there's like, bloody, bloody lumps on the ground, and it's like, blood splattered everywhere. It's like, wow, this is like, this is like kids cartoon, or they were like, Amy, this for kids? Yeah, it's, it is a violent shift compared to the Thor. And you can tell like it's two different, like,
00:56:13
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Directors were taking the helm. It's like one wanted to be a little more family-friendly one of them just want to make a cool ass what the next story I Think but I think it might have been the same director. It's Sam blue It's like most he family does like most of DC anime movies and like did a bunch of like Marvel movies, too I guess it's like Wolverine lens stuff more like you know being crazy violent compared to Thor
00:56:43
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And Thor has like a blunt hammer and Wolverine is like claws. True. Different type of impact damage, but it may seem like whenever they fought Halt and Asgard, Halt just didn't take any damage. But you see Wolverine's blades go into Halt's back and then get slashed up and you know, you see red lines. And like the lady that sort of digs her claws like all the way into Wolverine's back.
00:57:12
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And yeah, and then like, yeah, the whole, Hulk is like slashing the face and he gets blood on him. And yeah, like, there's like, like, when he stabs, we spray on his stomach. Like you see like the blood coming out of it. It's like, yeah, it's like totally very, like if you watch it back to back, especially if you watch Hulk offers the door first and then this one is like, wow. It's cool. But yes. Yeah. Yeah. I just wish there's more of this.
00:57:43
Speaker
This is this is like we're like DC movies like eventually went where it's like oh we're like we don't like the like it's like mostly like adult fans watching these so we're assuming them are rated anyway, so Yeah, the fans for these kind of things were mostly mature kids aren't running out to rent one-off movies Like that's why DC comic movies were better
00:58:07
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The Ataman movies were geared towards the more mature fans that knew the source and could get that there's kind of a universe in a cartoon.
00:58:20
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Well, and like the tone of like these like Lions game movies were also like all over the place too. Cause I think like the movie right before this was like Young Avengers maybe or something or like, like they had like the Teen Avengers movie. And then it's like, like the, and they had like the Iron Man one and then the strange one. And then, and then this one.
00:58:44
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So yeah, like the end of it was like the super kitty Thor tales of Asgard. So it was like, the toads were all over the place with a saltless series of animated movies. Yeah, I prefer the DC stuff because at least they kept in line. There were some fun epic arcs when they did it, right?
00:59:05
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Otherwise, yeah, the other movies here, it was just like, it feels like a contract. They were just contractually obligated to make these stories. I think they hope that they weren't gonna be big because then they would have to keep re-upping the license, I guess. Well, I think Hulk vs. was the second best-selling one. I think Ultimate Avengers 2 was the best-selling one of this deal.
00:59:36
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makes sense but uh yeah but just drop a whole versus like so uh there hulk is like basically hulk basically is tearing apart like the weapon x like base and um they're all and then he's fighting weapon x like he's fighting wolverine like everyone's fighting each other um i think
00:59:59
Speaker
Hulk basically takes down everyone, like he laid districts' arms off and punches Sabretooth down into the bowels of the base and takes out Omega Red too. And then Deadpool gets left behind because Wolverine throws him at the Hulk.
01:00:19
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And then they said, but then they both, the whole base explodes, but then they both Wolverine and Hulk it out. And then they kind of resumed their flight, but then it's, it's, it's, this might only depict is like, it kind of, it ends with like, you know, it's like, with like the, like the gray or something, where it's like, they're like, oh, here's another epic fight. Cut the credits. Like, cause they're going to, they're going to fight again, but you don't really see what happens. It's like, they're, they're, they're back at it. Like as always, we don't know.
01:00:47
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And then, this one has an after-credits scene, where Deadpool wakes up in the wreckage, he's like, hey I made it, I survived, and Hulk lands on top of him. That ends on a funny note, but also implies that maybe the Wolverine's dead. If not dead, he got beat by the Hulk again or something. The Wolverine ends up in Asgard.
01:01:11
Speaker
Because the Hulk beats down Wolverine in their initial fight. But then Wolverine obviously has this healing factor, so he kind of gets back up and is like, you done bub? Or is that the best you got, bub? Yeah. Classic tough guy talk from Wolverine, especially when his healing factor is better than Thor's magic. Yeah, he doesn't need a magical kiss to come back.
01:01:38
Speaker
You just need Canadian rage and go fashion preserker rage I do I do like that Wolverine is a little more clever about it. Like he's using the Hulk to get the end goal 20 needs he's basically the Hulk also in the two design differences between the Hulk and Asgard and Hulk here He's a classic Hulk haircut where in the Asgardian one he has like a mullet
01:02:06
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Like he has a shaggy look. Did you notice that? Design is definitely slightly different between both movies. Overall, it was definitely fun to go back and see this kind of weird
01:02:29
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I mean, the MCU had started, but it wasn't like fully the MCU. It had coalesced into what we know the MCU is. So it's still kind of this wild time for Marvel where they could have Iron Man and Incredible Hulk movies, but then also Punisher War Zone came out. And then X-Men vs Wolverine was going to come out later this year. And then they're doing anime movies.
01:02:51
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Before Disney bought them, it kind of like collapsed everything under Marvel Studios, Kevin Feige, One Vision kind of thing. It's like all this crazy Marvel stuff was going on. And then definitely of the Marvel animated movies that we've gotten, definitely one of the best ones. Yeah, they're fun living there.
01:03:18
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hit or miss with them, they either ring with you because you enjoy the characters a lot or they're just excellent action movies and you don't really need to know a lot of backstory, but they will give you a lot of backstory in these whole movies. And yeah, and now we're, you know, now we're getting stuff from our video, we're getting what if and
01:03:44
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I think there's a couple, but that's kind of like the main thing now. And then there's like, yeah, I think there's like some, isn't there like a kitty spider-man cartoon or like Spidey or something?
Final Thoughts and Recommendations
01:03:55
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Or there's like Moon Girl and Devil Dinosaur, but that's also like a kitty show. There's a Squirrel Girl one that was like that. Yeah, like Marvel really leans into the kids, which is fine because DC does that, but I kind of want them to lean back in the more mature side.
01:04:13
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Yeah, I mean, DC is still making animated movies. I think Justice League, like Crisis of the Infinite just came out this week for a new DC animated movie. So definitely how they're doing these one shots, World of White Knight or something, I would definitely be interested if they did some one shot or some Marvel spotlight kind of animated movies again or something.
01:04:42
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with like some, maybe like obscure characters or like different characters or something. Yeah. So in case no one likes it, which we said for them, like it's not going to sink a franchise. Give us a moon knight that is actually like really bloody. Yeah. Or some, or like some character we haven't, we haven't seen some like weird obscure Marvel character we haven't seen yet. And like do like a MCU animated like one shot or something.
01:05:17
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But yeah, if you want to see Hulk versus, you'll have to go hunt down a physical copy of it, because it's definitely not going to be streaming Disney Plus or anywhere officially in the near future. I think there might be a Blu-ray set that has like all eight movies on it, like all eight of these Lionsgate movies on them. But I think that might be like, I don't know how expensive that is. I know Hulk versus Blu-ray is like $100 right now or something on Amazon.
01:05:46
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So the DVD is like $10. So if you like, if you don't care about like, uh, you know, highest quality, like you can get like old versus like 10 bucks, but blue, blue, blue ways for all these are, are going to cost you. Like it's, it's kind of like, it's kind of crazy.
01:06:07
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But yeah, so I think they'll do it for this week's show. If you want more, head over to everything.com. We got all of our news, reviews, features, trailers. You can also check out our January movie commentary. We watched I, Frankenstein, celebrate its 10th anniversary. So we dove into all the demon versus gargoyle craziness that happens in that movie.
01:06:32
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Yeah, it's another movie that, based on a comic, based on classic lore, but goes in a direction you don't think it would go into. Yeah, what if Frankenstein was in a, like, underworld adjacent, like, movie, and he knew, like, the Filipino fighting stick martial arts style? Or what if Frankenstein's monster was basically Hellboy? Mm-hmm.
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