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072 - The Outsiders - Luke Summers - Part II
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The title reflects their journey. Two coaches who've always operated outside the traditional establishment and finding belonging with those who saw the world differently. They became chosen family through the trenches—staying gold even as seasons changed and forced them to grow up.
In this episode, Tex and Luke dive into the psychology of identity—who you are versus who others expect you to be. They explore empathy as the foundation of coaching, the danger of labels and stereotypes, and why understanding someone's perspective changes everything. Luke breaks down practical tools for building self-awareness, filtering criticism, and teaching athletes to find their swagger regardless of external noise.
This conversation is about bridging divides, breaking faulty feedback loops, and staying true to your code even when the world tries to define you differently.
KEY TOPICS:
- Self-discrepancy theory
- Breaking faulty feedback loops created by negative coaching
- The Charles Barkley filter
- Curiosity + skepticism = the most powerful coaching combination
- Body language, swagger, and acting as if
- Parenting lessons that translate to coaching
- Operating outside the establishment and building chosen family through coaching
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Transcript
Understanding Instructions and Communication
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And I hear a lot of people or a lot of parents sometimes say this is like, do you understand for a long time? She's like, yeah. And then it was like, you got, do you understand what do you understand means?
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Yeah. Kids are eager to please too. Cause it's how like they they want to say yes. And they're also in their own little world and environment. So we had to have a whole lesson on.
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like introducing complicated things. Say, do you understand what I'm talking about with this? And she'd be like, oh yeah. I'm like, there's no way I made it up. Like, there's no way you would know this. Explain it back to me.
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That means you don't understand. That's great. That's great. So when you're in that moment, say, I don't understand.
Introduction to Podcast and Guest
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Welcome to the captains and coaches podcast. We explore the art and science of leadership through the lens of athletics and beyond.
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I'm your host, Exel Kokkin. And today we share the second installment of my conversation with my longtime pal, Luke Summers. If part one was about the journey, part two is where we get into the toolkit. Luke and I dive deep into the psychology of coaching, exploring self-discrepancy theory, how to identify faulty feedback loops, and why curiosity paired with healthy skepticism might be the most powerful combination combination a coach can have.
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We break down practical tools for developing self-awareness in athletes, share lessons learned from parenting young kids, and discuss why the phrase, I can't, should always end with, yet. You'll hear about body language, swagger, the importance of teaching people to be proud of themselves, rather than seeking external validation, and how to filter criticism like Charles Barkley. This conversation gets real about the lonely parts of leadership, the environments we create for those we coach, and why sometimes the best thing you can do is ask, is it true?
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Whether you're coaching athletes, raising kids, or leading a team, this one's packed with tools you can apply immediately.
Curiosity in Leadership and Coaching
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Now, let's hand it off to Luke to help us raise the game.
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Ready, ready, and great. It's like, I think it's, as you're kind of going through all this stuff, I'm trying to think of the...
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The... um
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You know, what do you, cause there's threads through all this stuff, yeah you know, and it's like curiosity. Like if if you have, if you have a genuine curiosity about
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your approach with coaching, leadership, parenting, like curiosity of the efficacy behind it and curiosity in the well, be like, what is making that person tick?
Leader's Isolation in Decision-Making
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You know what i mean? Like, that's where I think you become relatable. You know what i mean? So be curious, like du be genuinely curious about the person. Uh, how was your day?
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What do you like to eat? What's your favorite color? I don't know. thinking like the little kid stuff, you know, like i use the first date. Yeah. First date basically. Yeah. That'll work. So there's like genuine curiosity. And then there's a, uh, man, what was the, I should write down notes like you, um, how to win an influence or the jupe special.
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No, I don't know which one. Start talking about that. Maybe it'll come back to me. Man, I can't remember the specifics. There's a big three of the how to win and influence friends. Yeah. I forget what it But the... Yeah, Drewski does better than anybody. Mm-hmm.
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But... um
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Yeah. All that said, like there, there's like three, there were three things that came up that kind of wove through all, all of it. Because like, if there's, if there's genuine curiosity and the ability to reflect, and there's these three selves that you can kind of chart as an individual. I'm, I'm true. Cause where I'm in my season of life,
Curiosity vs. Skepticism in Coaching
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it's, it's weird. Like we're around people all day, but doing this type of thing, when you're kind of starting your own thing and there might be people who start their own gym you know, i like, I can only imagine is like, it can be really lonely, even though you're, cause you're the only one when you're at the top, you're the only one when you're making all the decisions, you're the only one that, you know, you can phone a friend and have some mentors, but when it's your thing, your business, it's your livelihood. It's, it's the third child in my sick case, you know, your captains coaches, your baby in your case, you know, besides the fur babies.
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But like you, there's skepticism as well. So that was the other one. It's like curiosity and skepticism.
Impact of Negative Labeling and Feedback Loops
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And it's just like, it pulls you in opposite directions because if, if you are, cause as you, I think would agree, I'm just like a natural skeptic.
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I like to think I'm skeptical. I'm like, prove me wrong. But I'll be wrong, you know, and and except for a couple of our long-term arguments, but like, and know reason I say, like, if I think there's a healthy type of skepticism where if someone does label you as lazy and overthinker, a perfectionist, these things that you can, that people can latch onto and, and let them stew and bake and become their identity.
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or you could just be skeptical and be like, am I lazy? You just like, think about it, reflect on it. What, what does it look like to not be lazy? Well, I do that like, or whatever, you know, but like we're going back to like a, when, and it's tricky because ah if you have a good coach and then you're dealt a bad coach,
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You go back to, you know, I think you had mentioned this. You listen to your coach. You trust them just from the title.
Destructive Feedback and Team Dynamics
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So now they start to throw negative terminology or destructive or whatever term.
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I can't think right now. Like there's this destructive um feedback that is chipping away people. the, the identity of a kid or a teammate or an athlete or an employee, you know, if you don't have that skepticism, you have nothing but full trust and coach because it's C O A C H.
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Yeah. So where then you create your own, the the problem with that is you create your own feedback loop because the coach is not, they're not reinforcing it properly.
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So they may ah label or target the whole team of it's the laziest team I've ever coached. But in fact, there's multiple people on there that are resentful of that statement and know for a fact that they are not lazy.
Parenting Parallels in Creating Positive Environments
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So then the people that, Maybe they don't know what hard work is, so they would accept that label and they create that faulty feedback feedback loop where they they are. i'm I feel like I'm pushing as hard as I can, but it's it's just not good enough.
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You see the same thing in the classroom where a teacher who's trying to help says, oh, this one's really easy. You're going to get it. And it doesn't kick click for the kid. So their immediate thought is, oh, this question is easy.
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I don't understand it. I'm stupid. um So what there are certain characteristics that you want intangibles you want to highlight And then look for it instead of label the effective team because then you're you're leading you're building resentment for the kids that are actually are doing it right.
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You're mislabeling and I did my best. It still wasn't good enough. This probably isn't for me. And then the kids that are actually lazy, like they're there probably searching for boundaries. They're probably searching for this. They did that so they can get coaches' attention.
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And coach finally acknowledged me when I was an F up. So guess what I'm going to continue to do subconsciously F up. So I get attention from authority.
Family Dynamics and Child Development
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Um, and I, I mean, I played, played with dudes like that. Yeah. Two different coaches. So this, the same dudes would continue to F up because they, mean, technically got out of practice because they were just doing laps for two hours.
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Happily. But they would play in the game. Oh, well, yeah. Um, but it's a different conversation. So yeah, the, but that, that, that's why healthy parenting, because you're creating the proper feedback loops.
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Hopefully, hopefully, um,
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in place. And I mean, what's interesting is getting to know the parents, like living and coaching in the community, getting to know the parents. And this is why KidStrong was cool, because you got to know the families.
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um I mean, you you see the behavior patterns. Like if I had kids from middle school in through high school, like he you knew them well, you knew when the parents were together, you knew when the parents were not together.
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And like it, that's what Kid Strong really benefited me is just reflecting on all the problem childs and like, well, I knew the freaking families forever. Like yeah violent divorced.
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And now here they are at 16 and they're barking back at me and I'm, I'm trying to help them. Yeah. I blame the kid. Yeah. But, um, and what's also cool is they're, playing college ball and then come back in the winter to come lift weights. Yeah. I can have these conversations with them.
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Yeah. Cause they're, which is going to help them like understand their lives later and know what good relationships are.
Self-Perception and External Feedback
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Cause they models were not the best at all.
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Um, yeah. So, ah Yeah, faulty feedback loops. But then that's where you choose to believe what people are saying on the internet. You choose to believe the ought.
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And then you feel bad about yourself and you start to create the feedback loop of shame and feeling sorry for yourself is what's perceived and going on outside in the world.
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When, I mean, it's just the people that are maybe do think Luke is a great public speaker, but they're not telling you it.
Old Bull Training Program Introduction
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but somebody is saying how bad you are and commenting on your Instagram post.
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and you choose to believe that. That's that gap between ought and actual self. Time out. Let's take a second to talk about the Old Bull Training Program. this is an online strength and conditioning program that I'm writing for myself and handing to you.
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Self-Awareness in Leadership with Charles Barkley
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old bull program. And now, back to the show. Ready, ready, and break. Is there a way to, like, inventory or identify if you're laying down and one of these loops?
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ah Yeah. So this like... um like Uh, shame lies and you have to determine if they're true or not. And I've told this story on podcast multiple times, but absolutely I absolutely, love it.
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So it's Charles Barkley. I heard him on a Bill Simmons podcast and, and he spoke to his rookie year. Charles Barkley would, this is pre-social media.
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He would read the newspapers of all like whatever town they're playing. If they're going to Boston or Chicago, Barkley would read what the sports writers wrote about him from the previous night's game.
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He would get all upset and pissed off. And so what the NBA had before, um, was old veterans on the end of the bench.
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Knees were given out. They didn't get a lot of minutes, but they taught the young guys how to be professional athletes. And so just so happened that Chuck's mentor on the team was Dr. J. So twilight of Dr. J's career, start of Charles Barkley, and he just saw him get all flustered and it would affect the next night game.
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Because he's running these stories through his head. So Dr. J, one, asked him why he's reading that. He's like, well, and two, like, okay, well, is what they wrote true?
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And Barkley would be like, no, but they wrote it. He'd be like, stop. It's not true. So if they wrote something that's critical of his game, then Jay would help him practice that, shape it, and that's why he became one of the greatest players of all time.
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So he took what was critical and he turned into... into Um, just playing better and being a better professional. But if it wasn't true, just ignored it.
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So he was aiming, he took those, uh, what was true about his game and he aimed towards the ideal and worked on his game. And if it was that ought that shame, push it off.
Visualization Techniques in Sports
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Yeah. So your filter, is it true? Yeah. Skepticism. In a sense. Yeah. In a positive light. Yeah.
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Which the word can be used positively. I like to use the word argue positively. So. Yeah. You, you nail it. You've been doing this the whole time.
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Confabulation. Welcome to, or thank you for listening to my podcast. ah
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So you just, sha is it shame lying to you and inside your own head?
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So you got to inventory these things. Well, I guess you got to be aware of them. Then you got to track them. to figure out which ones keep popping up. Then you got to figure out what environmental factors are triggering that.
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ah And then you got to inventory them. And then you got learn how to ignore the ones that are just, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, so that's that's the that's that's the three layers that i'm I'm focused on is that self-awareness into ah thought process, which is psychocybernetics, into the self ah self-determination theory, coaches creating healthy environments.
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And if you can't if you don't have a coach creating a healthy environment, Be a leader. Create it for your team. Because I've been on those teams too with the anarchist, freaking dictator, and enforcer, low support coach.
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And we came together as a team. So you don't need a coach. You can't use that as an excuse to not be a leader. Yeah. um So yeah, the in the psycho cybernetics, that's that thought process. So if you're focused on the negative, he refers to it.
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And this is from the sixties, like ah a cybernetic organism. It's like a computer. It just knows how to do your, your nerd. I don't understand this. Nerd coding.
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So his example in the book to lead off is a torpedo. If you have a healthy, happy, positive program in there and your torpedo goes off one degree, well, that's my goal. It's going to redirect back on course.
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But if it's a negative thought, if your default is thinking negative, then it's going to be instead of, yeah, I said my goals over there, but I all these negative forces just pulling me there. Self, ah what is the self-fulfilling prophecy? i always fail.
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I'm going to go off. So you just get attracted to all the negative versus like, that's, that I'm off course. I'm going to get
Challenges in Teaching Visualization to Youth
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back on course. Yeah. um Yeah.
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So his, yeah, where i used to be, the creativities and the connections, like read something in this book, go to sleep, and then pick up this other book, and then you're going to find a connection, which was cool for mapping out and Charlie Day and all these different methodologies. You were doing at the time, I should say. And, ah but yeah, now revisiting the book on just how he uses visualization.
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So then the tools... And I haven't haven't quite found a way to make this cool, but like um
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relaxation and visualization, like ah he called it ah mental theater. I haven't quite figured out how make 16-year-old boys like stay focused on that.
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we'll get what is it so relaxation would be the first one like calming down and then visualizing your success individual sport or as a team and just yeah just focus focus still well for what that that's why i don't turn the radio on in the car that's all i do in the car focus Yeah.
Parenting Decisions and Self-Improvement
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And at times ruminate, not like the help, you know, like things go wrong and you just go over and over and over on it. But what I try to, when I, I, I can catch myself doing that now and it becomes rather than like rumination and you know, it becoming unhealthy, I start to analyze.
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Yeah. And, and track you the torpedo, right? That's what I'm saying. You get back on course. Okay. What do we learn? What do we learn? Analyze it, analyze it. Um, but yeah, I mean, from everything in life, I mean, I don't know how old these listeners are, but if you got a job and let's say you are coach or boss or whatever, and you got kids and you're a husband and you're a friend and you're engaged in all five of those capacities, like the stuff's going wrong in every
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in every domain and stuff's going right. And it's like, when I discipline my kids, when I'm driving, I'm, I'm reflecting on
Respect and Responsibility in Teams
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it. Like, okay, did I, did do it correctly? Did I give them enough warning? Should they have known better?
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Do I need to apologize? You know, and they're older now. So like I kind of, when they're young they don't even know what's going on. You just kind of yell at them. They cry. They get back. You be old puppy running around in circles.
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She knows exactly what she's doing. Uh, But you can have like, it's cool now because at six, at least with Ruby, Poppy, you can have a conversation with her about it and like revisit it later. Like if it's getting out the door and it gets stressful.
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Yeah. You
Emotional Control in Discipline
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like, and it like ingrains, you know, and go and just tell a quick story. I, daughter's on sidelines here. And God bless the coaches.
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These, these moms are volunteering their time and these kids are hard to deal with because they're four, five, and six. And I know that struggle intimately from our kid strong days.
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Um, and you know they're, they're not totally tooled up to do it from a, just like a coaching methodology standpoint, but they, know they have the technical knowledge on cheer and the girls are having fun. Like I'm not, I, it's not intended to be a critique.
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It's just being informed and watching. I digress. I go to one practice one day and my daughter is just like goofing off, not listening to coach.
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And i was ready. i was furious, ashamed, embarrassed, you know, like all these things and you know, like emotions are high and that's when logic is
Respect through Communication
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low. And what do what do we call seven, eight, nine, 10?
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You're telling me. uh, I mean, just boiling point. It's your limbic. Limbic state. You're not listening to anything. Yeah. I was like, grief I was borderline like about to say, we're never cheerleading again, get the car and you're never having ah like candy and guess what? You're stuck in your room all day.
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And like, I hope you're happy. I hope you're happy. You ruined everything, you know? But I was just like, I realized at that point, I'm like, why do I feel this way? You know, like, why am I so, cause I like, you've seen a million other times I've been with those kids and they're like crazy. And I don't feel that way. Cause I want them to be wild.
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Well, think there's like a sacred relationship between athlete and coach and you respect your coaches, like more so than your parents. And I found like it finally snapped and I said, Hey, you know, I pulled her out and I said, sorry, coach, I gotta talk to her. And like, she's like, please do. Cause this place is fucking crazy. You every, all the girls were melting down.
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And I want my, I explained like, Hey, you have a responsibility when you signed up for the squad. One is to your teammate. Like you don't let them down. And the others, you will always respect your coach and you do what they say more so than mommy and daddy.
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When we're here, like, that's what you do. Your coach is, has, is sacrificing everything for you to get better. And you owe to them to listen.
Reinforcing Positive Behavior in Children
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She's like, yeah, okay. You know, like that.
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And she goes back in and messes around again. And then, uh, we get to the end of practice. I'm just like, when I point at you and I do this, it means get in, uh, what are, what's this called? When the cheerleaders stand at attention.
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What was she? You asked her what it was. I did. don't remember. think it was at attention. Yeah, maybe. It's just like they stand and put their hands behind their back and like, look up. I go, when I do that, that means look at your coach and just pay attention.
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And she like did it once or twice. But then afterwards, you want to go play on the playground. I'm like, no, get the car. We have to have talk. And she's bawling and bawling and bawling. We get home, we lay in bed. And I just said, hey, here's the rule from now.
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You go, like, you're going to go to practice and you're going respect your coaches. And your punishment is, I'm going to remind you every day, respect your coaches. Do you know what that looks like? It looks like when your friends are goofing around, you you might get pulled in, but you step away and look at your coach and stand still.
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And then pick up with with what they're doing.
Balancing Fun and Discipline
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That's what respecting your coaches looks like. Saying please, saying thank you. These are the things that that I want to see you do.
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And when you do those things, Then we can go on the playground. Like, that's like, that's what I want to see. Can you do that for me? Yes. And then now she like, she understands it now. You know, she's also six and just like the girls go haywire.
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There's no way she's going to be the only like German shepherd sitting on her haunches, you know, at perfect attention when kids are like ah playing taco burrito or whatever that cheer was. i well.
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Here's my coaching critique, the whole thing. All right. When they were paying the most attention is when it was the most silly and fun on purpose. Oh, yeah. Can you utilize that to their advantage?
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Yeah, of course, dude. That was the whole product of Kidstron, right? know, know, I know. Anyway. Yeah, but it's interesting though. what's what's Let me to ask you this. What's the analog or comparison you know for a six-year-old, which is my life right now?
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Like if it ain't fun, ain't happening type deal for the most part. You know, if there's not fun woven in or a clear moment of fun ahead, the thing ain't happening. Whatever it is, clean your room, brush your teeth, blah,
Motivation and Communication in Coaching
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blah. blah That's why bedtime is the hardest.
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It's always the hardest because there's no fun thing. We get to read a book, but my kids are like action oriented. Like if we read the book, can we light on fire then? Like dance around it Like that's what they want to do.
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So that's why I think bedtime is so hard because like, every And maybe I'm doing this to myself because everything is woven in fun or has like a reward system, you know?
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And not to say it's like candy or like TV time or anything like that, but it's like something they want to do, you know? Yeah. um and And I shouldn't say bedtime's the hardest. Some days it's really good.
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Yeah. But um all that to say, like, that's the system for six year olds and three year olds. And for the audience, I'm not talking about my youngest daughter. Cause she doesn't know anything.
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She's a crazy, there's no container, her no containing her. And I love it. Uh, first, first child, second child, I guess. But now for an athlete, like,
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I guess, you know, our philosophy used to be like, you shouldn't have to do that because the, the prospect of being the winner is enough to be
Managing Team Conflicts
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disciplined.
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Right. But that's not like the case. It is not. No, that was like, that was a happy path that no one ever walked. That was like a huge fallacy with like, what do we used to say? Effort is assumed.
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Yeah. Effort is assumed. Yeah. Douchebags. We're such douches. I concur. i Yeah. I tell you that doesn't work firsthand. Yeah. That led to a lot of the conflicts I had with guys.
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Yeah. But now it's humorous stories that are working to my NSCA presentations. Yeah. Movember. ah This is hilarious. Go. I better laugh my ass off. Yeah. um Kid, he's college athlete right now.
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He notoriously... Loses his temper and so during a change of direction conditioning It could very clear instructions and he was front row.
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So 40 dudes he he got the message of anybody It's like if you were changing direction you face me. So we get both equal left and right foot Versus becoming an ampute turner. Mm-hmm.
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So that that was the wrong rule and he was deep into the conditioning Right, right foot, right foot, right foot, right foot. Blew the whistle. It was our time. We're resting. All right, everybody breathe.
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And was just like, Ryan, face me the entire time. And he was fatigued. So he barked back and be like, wow, that's a gay mustache. I was like, okay, you just effed everybody.
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we So I did laugh. Yeah. I mean, who in his defense, it did not suit me. Yeah. I was doing it for Movember. Yes.
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And.
00:27:46
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Okay. Jammed you up on it. Jam me up on it. And then where's it's ad hominem, right? What do they call when it's like goes to personal insults? I don't know. But the next day we're lining up to start a warmup lap and his, his brother and him are the front row and his brother is glazing my mustache. He's like, coach, you got a great mustache. Love, love it, dude.
00:28:06
Speaker
Keep it going. I want you to get it through November into December. And he is just glazing me to give his brother a hard time. And then I just started bawling, laughing. Yeah. ah That was funny. I can't believe you got me to laugh.
00:28:19
Speaker
I don't laugh at anything you say. I know. Yeah. um so it needless to say like all the conflicts i utilize to now okay here's where it went wrong so still analyze and then trying to turn it into lessons for when coaches have similar conflicts where that was out of line each one you can't make that reference if you made that reference to a ref we're in trouble.
Ensuring Understanding in Coaching and Parenting
00:28:48
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Yeah. Two, like, uh, like you have, you are selfish in that moment because the rest of your team is going to have to run yeah because of your decision making.
00:29:01
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So it hurts you You lose your playing time. It hurts your team because they're all suffering because of it. Um, and then i can't remember after practice if we closed the loop or not, but I remember the day after because it was just funny. Yeah.
00:29:15
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Um, But with Ruby, i mean, you were clear on what it is. You're not saying, pay attention, period.
00:29:27
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This is what respecting your coach looks like. One, two, three things. So you were clear versus having a clear picture in your mind and not articulating it and then setting her up for failure.
00:29:37
Speaker
Yeah. And there's also a lot of work we've done too. i don't know if I'm cutting you off as you're saying that.
Effective Feedback and Learning Gaps
00:29:43
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And I hear a lot of people or a lot of parents sometimes say this is like, do you understand?
00:29:49
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Well, we learned that speaking, one of the most valuable lessons I referenced this speaking with Logan on his podcast about presenting, but I'll finish your sentence.
00:30:01
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and like for a long time, she's like, yeah. And then it was like, you got, do you understand what, do you understand means? Yeah.
00:30:11
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And so like, having I had to break that down with her and let her know like, hey, if daddy's telling you something and you're not sure what to do next, say, i don't know you're talking about.
00:30:23
Speaker
You know? so So like, cause kids are eager to please too. Cause it's how. Like they they want to say yes. And they're also in their own little world and environment.
00:30:35
Speaker
So we had to have a whole lesson on like introducing complicated things. Say, do you understand saying? I'm out talking about with this. And she'd like, oh yeah. I'm like, there's no way I made it up. Like, there's no way you would know this.
00:30:48
Speaker
Explain it back to me. That means you don't understand. That's great. That's great. So when you're in that moment, say, I don't understand and I'm here to help, you know? So going back to respect your coaches, when we had that talk and it was like after everything,
00:31:04
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like as is tradition is, do you understand? Explain it back to me. How are you going to behave next time? So that like kind of closes the loop going to, you know, I guess robbing the term, you just use different context, but like, then I felt good about it, but then I don't trust her to remember it. So we like worked on it, work on it. Yeah. Work on it.
00:31:25
Speaker
So, Yeah. Well, the advice that I referenced that we got, it was 2016 seminar in Nuremberg and the HQ team attended and then went to Oktoberfest with us afterwards.
00:31:42
Speaker
Uh, and it gave us the, we were We were asking for it, but I mean, just a very clear, candid feedback on presentation. Critical feedback. yeah Critical.
00:31:55
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And there was compliments too, you know, but yeah you hear the. Yeah. Well, we ignore those. We deleted those. So the, yeah. Connecting to that, we asked like, does that make sense?
00:32:09
Speaker
Or is that clear? Do you understand? And they're like, don't do that. Stop doing that. Because effectively you're bullying people into saying yes, they understand and they don't.
00:32:20
Speaker
Yeah. It's, it takes a lot of balls to raise your hand in a group of 60 people to say, can you clarify that please? Yeah. I'm not following. So then aiming not to, to do that, but I catch a lot of coaches doing that.
00:32:34
Speaker
And then no kid wants to. do you think it's a group only? i mean, what about your one-on-one? I'd, I'd have to observe one-on-one. I mean, i can ask once they, coach asked, do you understand?
00:32:47
Speaker
And they keep messing it up. Yeah. Cause then coach gets mad and then they run. Yeah. Um, so I mean, I had to observe, but that, that's a trap. That's a common trap.
00:32:59
Speaker
But then just thinking of the blooms, uh, taxonomy blooms learning. Yeah. Blooms taxonomy. Taxonomy.
Positive Self-Talk and Resilience Building
00:33:09
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I forget it was the right term.
00:33:11
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Uh, yeah. Remember, understand, apply.
00:33:16
Speaker
Repeat it back to me. That's a first step. If they can't do that, it's clear that they don't understand. So if I take that out of my, don't do you understand? If I just ask them, Hey, repeat back to me, the instructions on how to pass or what are you supposed to do on this play?
00:33:34
Speaker
draw it up for me real quick then if they don't remember it I can't get mad at them for not understanding but I I would hold the mirror up first personally but if if I was a very intentional and clear and maybe six out of ten got it then I'd look to those other four and be like okay what's up yeah uh yeah um you're talking about Logan what else uh, that, that was the CrossFit feedback shared that they said that, which was cool. Cause I mean, when the Russell's observed us and then the Euro team observed us, mean, straight pros, like, yeah, here's some feedback. Yeah. good stuff.
00:34:19
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Finally. Um, yeah.
00:34:23
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Yeah. So what I liked, and I try to use another tool from kids strong to wind us down here is, is a lot of that self-talk and the ah reprogramming is by 16, 17, 18.
00:34:41
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There's a lot of negative in there getting, getting it from peers, getting it from home, getting it from themselves. Um, So are you bringing self-talk tools to the kids now that you're not getting it consistently from kids strong classes? These ones?
00:34:59
Speaker
Yeah. The crazy ones? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So what can a normal person do in their home? I guess
Fostering Independence and Confidence
00:35:07
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it's ah awareness, right? It comes, the big ones that we, I can't, we just, there's no, I can't. Oh, I love that for the high schoolers. We don't use the C word. Yeah. What?
00:35:18
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. I don't know how yet. Can you help? Yeah. Yeah. and Like lots of praise when they ask for help, you know?
00:35:29
Speaker
And, uh, I can't do it. oh Uh, Can't do it. Cause I can do it. How come you can't do it? Well, I can't do it yet, daddy. You know? So a lot of that, um, the positive self-talk. ah Oh yeah. Like the the other thing, and this might've been like back in the day when I was on Instagram, I'd scroll dad stuff. I've been on social media a long time, but, um, you know, I'm proud of you.
00:35:56
Speaker
i try not to say that. I try to say, you know, you should feel real proud of yourself. Because, you know, and if there's like, why?
00:36:10
Speaker
Well, what do you think? Do you think other, just the other night, Poppy, who's the one who doesn't know anything. She's crazy. She's part wolf child. She's great. And you know, she's the funny one, but she, Ruby went cheerleading. Ash left.
00:36:24
Speaker
It was me and Poppy. And I go, right, babe, go upstairs, play with Barbies. I'm going to do the cleanup. She goes, can I help you? I go, I would love if you help me. You know? And so she did all the dishes she cleared because like girls left theirs when they left, you know, and she cleared the whole table, did all the dishes.
00:36:40
Speaker
I mean, she did a terrible job. She's three. They were not, succeed you know, but she didn't want to put them in the dishwasher. She wanted hand wash everything, put on the drying pad thing over there, you know, and like, oh, great job. and You know, like after bedtime, come down and put them in the dishwasher.
00:36:55
Speaker
All that to say she didn't, I mean, but all things considered three year old does this. And you know, in the middle of it, um, when she's not looking, I come over give her a little, like we, oh we use like, or have our treats or dark chocolates, you know, like 80% cocoa or 60 or whatever.
00:37:10
Speaker
just give her a bunch candy. I go, here you She goes, what's this for? And we're like, not a candy family. We're weird. We have TV in our living room. We don't we don't eat candy. Like we're, we're weirdos, I guess, or normies. I don't know, depending on who's listening.
00:37:24
Speaker
And she's like, and so that's a big deal to just get random chocolate on a school night. You know, it's usually special occasion stuff. I go, you're helping out. I didn't have to ask you volunteered.
00:37:36
Speaker
That should make you real proud. And she goes, why daddy? I go, do you think any of your other preschool classmates just did the dishes by themselves tonight? She's like, no, you know, like there's no way those idiots.
00:37:49
Speaker
I'm like, but you did. And I didn't even have to ask you. And that's something that you should feel proud of. You know, other kids don't do that. That's a big deal. That's big girl stuff, you know? And it's just like made her night, you know? And then you look for that repeated behavior for her. It flames out. She's the ebb and flow.
00:38:05
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I don't know anyone listening has kids and they have like their lovey thing. They're softy. Poppy's always... She's dating. She's dating. She's not monogamous. She's always, she's all sorts of lovey. So she doesn't stick to one thing over and over again. But when she goes through seasons, I support it.
Handling Criticism and Maintaining Confidence
00:38:21
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Ruby on the other hand, she's like clockwork.
00:38:24
Speaker
So that was a big one. um that I, that made a lot of sense to me whenever I read it. was like, why do I have to be a proud of? Like, who cares if I'm proud? I mean, I do care. I am proud. And I'll tell him that, um, you know,
00:38:40
Speaker
ah So the growth mindset piece, like yet they should be proud of themselves. Don't worry about what other people think. And then now we're getting into like kindergarten where there's bully stuff.
00:38:53
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So we're working on with Ruby. If somebody comes up and it's not like, but it's probably not bullying. It's just like, it's a new social dynamic. There's just new level of social awareness for, for a six year old that there just wasn't when she was five or four.
00:39:10
Speaker
And someone will be like, um don't like your drawing because that kid does not like that drawing. Like it's it's not malicious. They just don't like that drawing.
00:39:21
Speaker
But then to the other kid, it's like, You know, it's a it's it's a ah personal attack. And I go, babe, like, you're not drawing it for him.
00:39:33
Speaker
So you know what you say? I don't care. I love it.
00:39:38
Speaker
Did you learn that from a song? i did. Icon and Pop. And so like it finally worked in like it, it took like 40 times. Cause kids just say dumb stuff, you know?
00:39:49
Speaker
And she'll come back and tell us. I'm like, she does. You know what I said? I'm like, no clue. She's like, I don't care. I love it. I'm like, no way. You know, was like big celebration. So now like the neighborhood kids around here and be like, I don't like your bike or something. I don't know what they even say to each other. But she's like, don't care. I love it.
00:40:06
Speaker
So like, it's okay. You know, I think that's a good defense mechanism for her because like people going to say mean, you know, but now I'm going to have to wind it down to maybe they're right.
00:40:17
Speaker
You know, maybe it's going to something you don't agree with, but it's a coach or a friend and you're just like, that's like your opinion. Yeah, exactly. It's like a Lebowski moment.
00:40:30
Speaker
But I think, you know, you got to just layer these things in.
Body Language in Confidence and Presence
00:40:34
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um I don't know how we got on this topic. You asked me. closings and downs. Oh, yeah. Yeah, like the kid strong positive self-talk. Changing the inner script.
00:40:42
Speaker
So the self-talk. And then there's also body language. And what I use conditioning to effectively... train self-awareness and body language so making them aware of where their body goes during fatigue which is going to make them more coachable and then I want it in the fourth quarter when they're like look at those guys on their knees yeah so I'm I'm banking that for games but it's it's going to take time so that is it's twofold one it's ah emotional management and
00:41:16
Speaker
in that sense where i am tired i acknowledge i am i'm going to ignore that and act which is the last one here is act as if so swagger is a term i love and throw around because it's like it doesn't matter if you're six six or five six if you got swagger just walking around like you know it's noticeable it's noticeable so that presence that you walk onto the field with or into a room with Act as if you're the freaking man.
00:41:47
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Like who's to tell you otherwise? If the ball's in your stick, it's for a reason. Like if you're marking up against the guy with the ball, it's for a reason. So like trying to instill that.
00:41:59
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um So one, creating the script in your mind. Two, posturing, creating the body language. Like you're ready for it. You own it.
00:42:11
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You are responsible. And then effectively the management when somebody does try to pop your balloon or does try to come after you, you still believe what you're saying. You still believe and hold the, the, the posture.
00:42:29
Speaker
But it takes reps. Yeah. Yeah. It makes sense.
00:42:35
Speaker
And it's just practice. There's that's four, six hours a week. Yeah. season. Yeah. The rest of the life. Either undo it or embrace it, right?
Episode Reflection and Insights
00:42:49
Speaker
Yeah. Mm-hmm. That's a good title for the episode.
00:42:56
Speaker
Write that down. You're hired.
00:42:59
Speaker
Uh, it's past your bedtime. Oh yeah. Well past. Oh Lord. Oh, good God. Well, look at that. We'll end it Um, here um
00:43:15
Speaker
Forget how we used to end it. So I was trying. Big gulps, huh? I do have a gift for you. Okay. So you have to tell that joke. What? Which joke? One of them. Moth walks into a dietitrist's office, says to the dietitrist, Doc, I've got a problem.
00:43:34
Speaker
Doc says, what's up? Moth says, my boss, Gregory Olinovich, he's just been riding me at work. And Doc, like, My wife, Maria Gastonolicova, you know, she's just always angry at home. and And my son, ah Carl Ogilinovich, you know, he's at he's got the cancer.
00:44:05
Speaker
And the mediatrist says... To the moth, he says, sounds like a lot going on. You should go see a, it's like, wait, no, podiatrist. It's psychiatrist. Why are you seeing me? I'm a podiatrist. And the moth goes, well, because the light was on.
00:44:20
Speaker
and Time out. Tex here at Train Heroic headquarters meeting with the team to talk about the coaching experience that I'm able to provide for my athletes.
00:44:31
Speaker
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00:44:51
Speaker
Uploading video, providing coaching feedback, directions, and building a community. That's why I love Train Heroic. And if you want to take your athletes where they can't take themselves, that they want to go, head to trainheroic.com slash captains and check out how you can deliver programming to them.
00:45:07
Speaker
And now, back to the show. Ready, ready, and in.
00:45:12
Speaker
That's not how it goes, but it's close enough. Norm MacDonald. Ah. Left that in the office way back when. Which one? What's in here?
00:45:24
Speaker
Anything good? I don't know. Oh, this was going to be a my traveling journey. Oh, boy. Yeah. Yeah. This was a cert book.
00:45:36
Speaker
Uh-huh. Man, I got i got a moleskin upstairs. That's... going to be scary to open one day. Here's Hepton stall me and Hepton stall June 13th, 2018.
00:45:52
Speaker
Big plans. Then i was getting married. Uh, I got married four days prior to this. So this Harry came in town for the wedding in this, Oh boy.
00:46:05
Speaker
Symposium planning.
00:46:09
Speaker
Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Fuse. Army. So here came the... Uh-huh. Reebok. We had a lot of irons in the fire.
00:46:20
Speaker
That could have been really big. Could been really big there, Tex. Thanks, man. Yeah. Yeah, i think and I think Callie got me this as a gift. So you just re-gifted Callie's gift. Uh-huh.
00:46:34
Speaker
Which I think is more meaningful. Yeah.
00:46:39
Speaker
facebook ah Yeah, it was left in the office, so I scooped it up. Yeah. And always I've seen you for I mean, years since then, so I don't know what held me back.
00:46:53
Speaker
No, thanks, man. Well, Tex, I know how you used to sign it off. that was another episode of captains and coaches podcast. And, you know, uh, do you ask your listeners yet for five star reviews every episode?
00:47:08
Speaker
No, I'm bad at that. Yeah. This is me. And then you ignoring my own rules. Yeah. And then do you, um, cause you do also do your pre-roll. They know who, because remember. i will introduce you.
00:47:20
Speaker
yeah But do they know you? Well, I started doing solo shows. Yeah. But you think like your biggest fallacy here is that everybody listens to every show in the order that you record them.
00:47:32
Speaker
Also true. And here's a mind blowing fact. was it Only 18% of podcast listeners listen on podcast platforms.
00:47:43
Speaker
Yeah. So YouTube is just dominant. Where YouTube, there's a high likelihood people wouldn't find me in order. Yeah. Yeah, so like it could be their very first episode.
00:47:59
Speaker
And then from this one, they'll probably go back to 16, because that one slapped. Well, that was my highest. Text let me do the whole episode with my fly open. I didn't ah notice. I was a... Why would you not?
00:48:12
Speaker
I want you down here. That's what good bros do. Yeah, that's that's another seminar joke. Make eye contact. It's not weird unless you if you... It's only weird if you make it.
00:48:25
Speaker
It's only weird if you don't make eye contact. Yeah. But that was manual resistant butterfly. ah huh Still use that one.
00:48:35
Speaker
Yeah. Well, I would appreciate a review. Yeah. And here's what I would appreciate. Like, do you know who's listens to this? This is what I opened up with. Like, do you know your listeners?
00:48:47
Speaker
The audience? Yeah. do you talk to them? Some reach out. How many? Not enough. Yeah. But let's say 50. 50 total? a hundred 100, maybe 100.
00:49:01
Speaker
Let's say 100. And you have thousands. There's thousands. There are thousands. Yeah. and So here's what I want. Here's my appeal to your listeners who've made it this far in this episode. oh this one they are.
00:49:12
Speaker
Cause they probably think of another movie reviews coming. What are you doing tomorrow? That's, that's the bonus scenes. Um,
00:49:23
Speaker
ah I'm, I'm curious. I am dying. Cause I like also as Texas has been going on this journey, I've kind of been consult, not consulting such a douchey term, but like soundboarding on like, who's the target audience? Who do you think you're going to reach? Like how are you, who are you to appeal to?
00:49:39
Speaker
Cause it's going to be some parents, hopefully some captains, right? Uh, definitely coaches, I would say is probably your predominant listener, listenership and viewership ah is just my guess. Yeah.
00:49:52
Speaker
But i'd like to I'd like to hear, I'd like you to, I would like your listeners to send just a like a user story. Who are you? What are you looking for? i would love to read that because.
00:50:05
Speaker
ive that That's great. and I'll set up a form, put it in there because my individual. And what do you want out of it? Because what I think what these listeners and anyone who's maybe new, um new and loyal to you probably don't understand is that like.
00:50:22
Speaker
you're really like, you've proven to be an unstoppable force in this thing, you know? And I just think back to our early endeavors on like coaching responsibility and philosophy. You know, I never took it too seriously because like, I guess I knew in my heart of hearts, like I wasn't in it for the long haul.
00:50:40
Speaker
You know, this might've, was like a flash in a pan for me, the power athlete days, let's say. um But not you, dude, this is like life mission. And like, if you will give the people what they want,
00:50:52
Speaker
Maybe not how they want it, you know, because i would have, I would guess that the folks listening here are like looking for things to apply, like in your newsletter, like the thing, here's the three things to apply this week and give it a try.
00:51:05
Speaker
I would hope that's what they're looking for, but maybe they're not. And maybe this is a good appeal to do some user research and let's see what, who's listening. Like, are there moms listening? Like, is there a mom here listening to try to coach her son?
00:51:21
Speaker
You know? Like, i don't know. Well, did I don't know if I told you this. I may have told you this over the phone. But I was coming home from a lacrosse game. It was the last game of the season. Couldn't hold anything back.
00:51:32
Speaker
And we lost. Mm-hmm. I'm coming driving back from Liberty Hill, which is like way north Austin. And so I stop in North a Lakeway.
00:51:44
Speaker
Taco Bell. Chipotle. oh yeah I can't believe we got it. Same, um you know, cultural cuisine. Yeah, but probably more healthier. I would agree. Taco Bell.
00:51:58
Speaker
I can tell you when I went to Taco Bell last. All right. Tell me that after the story. Okay. Anyway, so I walk in and there's a family sitting down at like the tables right next to the entrance.
00:52:10
Speaker
I was dehydrated. i was pissed. The season's over. We're done. And I'm just like sad, sad boy season walking in And then this ah mom with her family makes eye contact with me and she's like,
00:52:25
Speaker
deliberately staring at me and like awkward. So like do the like look twice to like make sure like okay, she actually is staring at me. And then she stands up and walks up to me in line and it's like, are you, are you train heroic?
00:52:41
Speaker
And I'm like, well, I'm on train heroic. And then she just went into her whole story. so she took the methodology and started to coach her son and then i met her uh son a freshman in high school that she was coaching up and then she brought all of his friends in because it was middle school at the time and they had a terrible ah sport coach weightlifting experience and she just took charge because she was like in i'm gonna do this myself how hard can it she was a fitness coach okay so then just brought weightlifting tools for athletes to her garage gym and then just coached up her old son's team and then they're just dominating at freshman uh sports so then met her husband and
00:53:29
Speaker
Told her, yeah, this this is what I'm doing now. Captains and coaches. Like I got a podcast. I'd love love for you to listen. Yeah. um But it was just hilarious. you um ah you Are you Train Heroic?
00:53:43
Speaker
I'm on Train Heroic. um So thank you to our sponsors, Train Heroic. Oh, yes, yes. plus Time that plug up. Dude, what a crazy story with Josh. Obviously not going to share it. But all it just re-solidifies.
00:53:55
Speaker
That guy is so cool. Like, that's what i love about that place. It's just like good dudes. Great dudes. Yeah. But needs to say, she was very grateful.
00:54:07
Speaker
And that is the exact thing I needed at that moment in time. Yeah. To be like, there's a difference made. Mm-hmm. So was that an ought self?
00:54:18
Speaker
what What type of self was mopey?
00:54:24
Speaker
mopey techs after a big loss oh definitely should was in the shooting all over myself we should it on this we should done that and it was the last game of season yeah so our seniors were all crying and upset and like oh this i'll never play again and i'm like dude i told you that in february yeah start trying so i was in that yeah it's yeah yeah like oh coulda yeah so when's the last time you had taco bell oh uh one of our alumni games like college where we tried to be college again and then all of our stomachs were upset and it's like what would you order oh i couldn't tell you that you didn't get chalupa no dude chalupas are legit i can tell you the taco bell i went to okay next to marymount yeah so you don't even know what you got like
00:55:21
Speaker
Listen, I'm talking like how good chalupas are. Like I've had one recently. It's been 30 years since I've had chalupas. Like I don't know. Yeah. We used to hang out at Sonic in high school and go to Taco Bell for fights.
00:55:35
Speaker
Because was right on the border of Katy. Like UFC fights? Sure.
00:55:41
Speaker
Stupid arguing matches. Mexican pizza? Did get a Mexican pizza? remember Mexican pizzas. That's what saying. They took it away. What? No, you're out of your mind. Someone validate writing an email.
00:55:52
Speaker
I think, dude, I've been having Mexican pizza since there was black olives on them, bro. Food court, Fox Selling Mall. I think T-Bell's best fast. And then when you stop? Like I was like. Fast and furious one? Yeah, no.
00:56:05
Speaker
Oh, man. Was I eating T-Bell back then? Oh, you called it T-Bell? Oh, we called it T-Bell.
00:56:17
Speaker
I probably was. Because my boy Dolan was driving his Mercury Mystique at during Fast and Furious 1. Those were definitely T-Bell days. T-Bell days. I had a, in high school, drove 1984 Mercedes. Uh-huh. And whenever I went to fast food, i had to turn my Mercedes off. Uh-huh.
00:56:36
Speaker
So they could take it here take my order. Yeah, dude. I was big T-Bell guy, Burger King guy. We were Wendy's. We were pretty hardcore Wendy's in college. Yeah, Wendy's legit. I was not like a McDonald's guy.
00:56:48
Speaker
I mean, I shouldn't say that. I think I ate all these things. Dude, I had to have eaten taco Bell in college. There's like no way I didn't. Definitely. It's cheap. Yeah. remember in high school. But anyways. cc We did pizza buffets in both high school and college before games.
00:57:03
Speaker
Uh-huh. Oh, man. Anyways. Oh, grilled stuffed burrito. ah Pretty good, too. I'm in. Dude, if I were to go to Tebow right now.
00:57:15
Speaker
Grilled stuffed burrito. Steak, obviously. Mexican pizza. Chalupa. Dude, chalupas are so good. Cinnamon twist. No, you don't get that. You get breakfast or dessert tacos.
00:57:29
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Dessert tacos. Yeah. Dude, that... What am You seem like a bean burrito type of guy. Oh, so...
00:57:39
Speaker
You were year of the bean. I'm off the bean. Oh, yeah. Yeah. i'm I'm off the legume again. and just am not eating or drinking water, sleeping, those types of things. We're in a season. this is a We're in a season.
00:57:54
Speaker
Good thing I've been, I've weathered, uh, uh, I guess choppier seas in my life, I think. Yeah. It's fun one. Anyways, we get, this is the stuff we could probably do for another two hours. I know.
00:58:08
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But if anyone made it i don't even know if you're gonna keep this part, but yeah, of course. All right. Um, Yeah. Well, we'll, we'll, I mean, I'll, I aim to make this trek at least once a year.
00:58:21
Speaker
Sweet. And then, uh. Yeah, we got to get to a point where we can get to Austin. The girls want to go. Uh-huh. There's a lot there. We got to do, figure it out. We will. And we figured this out.
00:58:33
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Yeah. Because we had no plan. Yeah. And we were supposed to do it. How many different times? Yeah. I can remember. I kept telling you, like, the day can get away from me, man. And sure enough. You were correct.
00:58:45
Speaker
It's been a squirrely week. But pleasure as always, McQuilkin. Again, am, for all the talking we do, I'm very impressed with everything you've put together here and how much more you have to flesh out.
00:58:59
Speaker
It's grown. We're a year plus, so. All right. I can't wait to read those emails. Yeah, I'm interested too. this Those are the solo pots.
00:59:10
Speaker
Until next time. Bye. Bye.
00:59:22
Speaker
For real. Get out of here. Hello. Hello.