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142: Spanish True Crime
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Qué pasa cryptic cuties, are you ready to dive into some true crime and Spanish history? Kelsey kicks things off with a frustrating and cryptic case involving a disco, a vacant lot, and an unbreakable code. Alanna takes things back in time with a lesson on conquistadors and some of the crimes of the Spanish Inquisition.
If you haven't already, check out our interview with Creepy Confidential, we had so much fun!
Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mH3l8NBBXo
Audio https://open.spotify.com/episode/7K7RgJqI7pWls7o5w3VqUG?si=EIjQn3zBROaiX6jR8a_JcQ
Tags: Eva Blanco Puig, Spanish True Crime, Nuño de Guzmán, Spanish Inquisition
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Transcript
Welcome to the Dark Side
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Speaker
Darkcast Network. Welcome to the dark side of podcasting.
Podcast Introductions and Announcements
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Speaker
You are listening to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm Alana. And I'm Kelsey. And we are back, back in the New York groove. Yeah. For sure. If you listen to our Patreon, you know that this is recorded several days before it's coming out, but that is fine. We are flying by the seat of our pants this week. Yep.
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Speaker
I feel like we're doing that a lot lately. Hey, well, some of it's because we were in high demand. So if you haven't listened to it, go listen to our last bonus app that dropped this week, which some of you already did. So I was like, Oh, yay. Yeah, it had quite a few plays on YouTube.
YouTube Collaborations and Surprises
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On the creepy confidential channel, like 35, which is
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almost as much as a lot of the other ones had that weren't in the hundreds. And it had only been a day, which was amazing. Some of the other ones have been out for months. And yeah, and I wonder if that's because they're just audio, but then I know some people
00:01:43
Speaker
listen to their audio podcasts on YouTube. So I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this was like the video. She had the whole video up there. So I right compared to ours, which are usually audio. I mean, sorry. Yeah. So on what on our website, I put the link to
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Speaker
I can't remember if it was, I think our Spotify that we posted for the episode and then also embedded the YouTube video from creepy confidential in there in case anybody wanted to watch the interview. And then over on YouTube, I didn't wanna, I didn't know how to like copy the video cause it's like an hour and a half. So I just put a little like 30 second video and was like, here's the links to watch the interview over at creepy confidential.
00:02:28
Speaker
oh perfect yeah because she did the work of like recording the video so then it'll drive some plays to her on youtube and stuff and we really appreciate that it was really actually quite fun even though we're a little yeah i was like oh i always wanted to do a collab but then i'm a little nervous because all of a sudden it's like they're like it's live and you're like whoa
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Speaker
She's like, I'm gonna edit things. I'm connecting to Facebook and YouTube and Instagram. We're like, what's happening? I was like, oh, you can just like stream live on all of those things. All the things we're live. Don't cough. Don't don't sniff. Don't blow my nose.
Behind-the-Scenes Challenges
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Speaker
We're not used to these things because we can see each other all the time, but we don't we don't save that part. Yeah, exactly. I was like, I don't know what to do with my hands.
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No, and I, we apologize. Well, I just might, I know my video and the lighting is like, it's not great. Like you can't- Yours is better than mine. I don't know what you're talking about. It's not bad right now. Oh, nobody can see this. Anyway, this is great for a non-visual medium. We're not like talking about our lighting. Uh, yours is always better than mine is. Cause my- Okay. Yeah. Yours is kind of- Yeah, like your- That's true.
00:03:46
Speaker
yeah like your uh i think your laptop camera is just a bit better too because oh could be hers was really good i was like oh yeah it's very clear and like i can see your face really well and everything whereas i feel it's more i'm more of a blob but we'll see we want to do a youtube video i keep talking about i'll put it out there um manifested manifested
00:04:15
Speaker
Yeah, so go check out the Patreon. That was actually really fun. I really enjoyed that recording that psychic solved cases episode. Yes. Not so much the material, we just like had a fun time and then we were talking about other things we want to try out on Instagram.
00:04:32
Speaker
instagram is that patreon no i mean okay i guess different things we want to try it on social media yeah i like videos but also like just i like to switch things up on patreon because i'm like this is where people don't care if if we try something that's a little out of the norm of what we do and so that's where i'm always like let's do a cryptid clash and let's do an ass meeting or like a
00:04:57
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to twist it a lot yeah i have fun and that being my creative outlet so go check it out you guys yes um and we'll continue to put out some content over there as we always do i think you could try out like feed free trials on patreon now i keep hearing that from other podcasts so oh really that's cool yeah like there's like a free tier so they can like see what you're posting
00:05:26
Speaker
And Sinisterhood, they were saying they even dropped something onto that tier at least once a month. So they're like, even if you're just signed up for free, you get something. I was like, whoa, look at you guys go. I know. But anyway, I got big dreams now that the springtime's hit and my seasonal depression is gone. Right.
Weather and Cooking Tales
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I told people at work that I was going to go home and I was going to clear up my depression by opening all of the windows in my house. And they're like, it's kind of windy out. And I was like, I don't care.
00:05:56
Speaker
You're really going to air out the house. I'm going to create a vortex and papers will be thrown about. No, but it was windy driving on the highway. It's that where you can feel your car kind of moving and you're like, oh, okay. Yeah.
00:06:15
Speaker
I just remember my feet got a little cold like just hanging around my house for the last couple hours so I had right before we started I put on slippers and then I had to close all my windows I was like I am a little cold now I've been hiding under a blanket for two hours but the house is nice and fresh I'm sure yes I hate not being able to open windows and just
00:06:38
Speaker
Even that is just such a relief. I don't know. You don't feel so close in. It can make a big difference. Yeah, like when we're, um, what is it, searing or roast before we put it in the oven and sometimes on the cast iron pan it can get really smoky. Yes. Sometimes it can like crack the door or something. Sometimes I can't even get away with that in the summer because Pat's like,
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They're air conditioning and then our screen doors are ripping it. But it's like, there's no bugs. It's not hot out yet. And it's really smoky because we're cooking the roast. And then it's like, we could just like crack the window or the door or whatever. Yeah, my one does that. I've set off the smoke alarm almost every time I've tried to cook steak because I'd use the caster and I have a caster and like one of the grill ones that has like the
00:07:30
Speaker
like raised ridges on it or whatever. Okay, but it's still like a frying pan that you put on the stove. Yeah. Okay. Well, you I yeah, it's one of those you can transfer it to the oven. It's like fully cast iron. Yeah, it starts smoking and then a fire alarm. There are smoke detectors going off Gordo doesn't know what the fuck's happening and
00:07:55
Speaker
I'm just like, no, they keep really hot, really fast. Yeah, that's what I find with those ones compared to the regular pants. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely on the cast iron subreddit. Don't ask. It's just people being like, did I put enough butter in for my bacon with like a huge clunk of butter? And I'm like, who puts butter in before their bacon? No.
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Speaker
Oh, as if it didn't have enough fat. Yeah, I've not cooked a lot of bacon in the cast iron, but I think it's just as much the same as in the regular frying pan. It provides its own lubrication. Basically, I normally save bacon grease when I cook most of my bacon in the broiler setting on my oven. And then I'll like, oh.
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take the bacon off and then I'll pour like the bacon grease and I learned it from my mom I have like a little container of it that you keep in the fridge and then I use that when I'm cooking like eggs or something and you just need a little bit and then something you want to do a little bit of flavor to add a little bit of bacon fat so I'll put a tiny bit of that in to like start it out just so it doesn't stick
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initially before it starts making its own grease. Yeah, same as maybe putting in a pat of butter, like not a ton. Yeah. Yeah. That's funny. Well, any other news? I don't know.
Cryptid Games and Mysteries
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I was telling you on Patreon, we played that cryptid board game. I'll have to tell my brother, but it was cryptic but fun. Yeah.
00:09:41
Speaker
It was complex. There's a lot going on. Yeah, we're trying to figure it out. But that's how it is with the new games and stuff. Yeah, when you don't know how to play it, it's hard to play if nobody there knows how to play it. If one person does, it's hard enough for you to try and follow along. But when nobody knows how to play it,
00:10:03
Speaker
Yeah, they're all looking to me like I'm the DM, the dungeon master. I think you were telling me about that one you play that's kind of like Monopoly, but with like trains and making the train tracks go along. Yeah, ticket to ride. It's very popular. The sets of it, they've done a bunch of different countries. They're very expensive, anywhere from like $60 to like $90 each game. It's very expensive.
00:10:34
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I wonder if that's because people like to collect toy trains and stuff. I don't know. It's a whole collector's thing.
00:10:43
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different TV show ones they've done where they've mapped out certain worlds in the show. And then there's a whole bunch of different countries that they've done all around the world. And it's a big thing if you have a bunch of the different ones. Game of Thrones Westeros is all run over with chains now. Probably. See, it makes sense we have the Game of Thrones wrist. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah.
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All right, well, what do you got for us today?
The Case of Eva Blanco: Introduction and Disappearance
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Because I'll derail this whole conversation. You know I will. I have a case, I think I had heard the name of it before, because it seemed very familiar. So there's either another case with a fairly similar name or something like that. Because once I started getting into the research of it, I realized I
00:11:42
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like didn't recognize the case itself just seems like the name. So yeah, I know how that goes where you're like, is this the one where this happened? And then you're like, Nope, Nope, Nope, Nope. Uh, it's called the Eva Blanco case. And that's like, I think it's a Blanco, like Eva White that, uh, makes me think I had heard it before, but
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It does have sort of a familiar ring to it, I must say, but I don't think I know it. Yeah. Unfortunately, I don't have a lot of background from what I could find, but Ava was born on February 17th, 1981 in Madrid, Spain. I would love to visit Spain. Yes. Oh my God.
00:12:38
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and Portugal. Oh, it all sounds amazing. She was the oldest of three girls and their parents were Manuel Blanco and Olga Pruitt. I think is how you would say it. I was expecting that. They had a hyphenated name. So I think sometimes it's referred to the Eva Blanco Pruitt case.
00:13:07
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Oh, okay. Yeah. So, jumping straight, because that's literally the only background I have. I'm so sorry. Oh. No, it happens. It happens. Straight into the terrible. It all begins on April 19th, 1997. Oh my God, it's almost April 19th.
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Eva who by this right I was like oh I did not realize that before
00:13:40
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Yeah, this comes out in April. Yeah, damn. Okay, yeah. It'll be an anniversary. Ava, who at this point is 16 years old, she's a high school student. And she had spent the afternoon playing tennis with her friends. And later that night, this same group decided to go to like a local disco nightclub. And they were there until about 1130, when they started to kind of make their way home.
00:14:10
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Wow, I can't believe she can get into a disco as a teenager. Right? It's a pretty small town, so I feel like everybody kind of knew most people. This was the year of our Lord 1997. Yeah, amazing. Great year. Okay, I was only two.
00:14:35
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Damn it, that's right. That's not your birth year in 95. No. Fuck her up. Ava had agreed to return home at midnight, like that was her curfew, and she was one of the first of her friend group to leave the disco. Oh no, by herself though?
00:14:53
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Not initially. So her and a friend of hers that was a girl, they were walking and then they parted ways at this vacant lot that was about 700 meters away from Eva's home. And I presume from almost that distance, they probably could have seen her house.
00:15:15
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Yeah, pretty close to it. No, like not even a kilometer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so they parted ways there at about 1145. And Eva planned to walk through the vacant lot as it was a shortcut, as opposed to walking the longer route.
00:15:35
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through the town center. And it was noted that many of the local students and other people used the shortcut to walk to school. So like it was pretty well known. Yeah, an unofficial path kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah. Sadly, Eva never reached her home. You would kind of sadly assume. Yeah, I know. But it's so heartbreaking when you say how close she was. Yeah. Damn.
00:16:07
Speaker
Yeah, so she was always on time. So when she failed to show up by midnight, about 15 minutes later, Ava's mom started calling her friends.
00:16:22
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I gave us friends and being like, yeah, have you seen my daughter? Is she on her way home? What's happening? And all of the friends told her that like she had already left. She had actually left first and that she should pretty well already be home. Like they didn't know why she wasn't there. Oh no. Yeah.
00:16:42
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Ava's mother called the husband, Manuel, who's a tow truck driver, and he started searching for Ava in town with the help of his nephew, who was a local police officer. So they started searching right away.
00:17:01
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And this nephew, the police officer, he was also the father of one of Eva's friends. So it seemed like right away, her friends and her friends' parents all really got involved in searching for her in the first couple hours. Yeah, so it was taken seriously, especially because of the people they knew on the force and stuff. By them, at least. The police didn't really care.
00:17:30
Speaker
It really sucks. Yeah. So after finding no trace of her, her parents did report her missing at 1 a.m. So about an hour later on and by then it was April 20th, 1997. And the officers like, yeah, like they acted really fast. They knew she's never late. We haven't heard from her. Her friends say she was on her way home. Oh, yeah.
00:18:00
Speaker
Not looking good. Yeah. Officers were reluctant to search for Ava after only being missing for an hour. And the card at the door even told them that children her age were all on drugs and that she was probably lying in a doorway. Oh, nice. Some other sources said the quote was like that she could she was probably lying in a hallway like passed out.
00:18:29
Speaker
And it's like really, that's like the guard at the police station. Like, why do you still have a job? You suck. Oh, the guard at the police station. Yeah. Not the guy at the club. I think I don't, I don't think so. Because it was tough. It always talked about that in relation to them reporting her missing to the police. So it seems like that was the one that was like posted at the door. Like reception or something.
00:18:57
Speaker
And then we all have that kind of like, um, I don't know, not stereotype, but maybe misbelief that like all missing person cases have to be like missing for 24 hours when that's not all, that's not always true. Like if you suspect foul play or.
00:19:15
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Yeah, they're miners and things like that. Like that obviously makes a huge difference. And yeah, the police should care. But yeah, it's like, it doesn't always get the attention, I guess. No, that's something you didn't seem to care.
00:19:29
Speaker
So that was about 1am and that's all going on. By 2.30 the search for Eva was continuing, this time with finally the help of the civil guards, local police, and all of Eva's friends and family. And when hours had passed and Eva still could not be located, her parents contacted a regional TV station and actually requested a broadcast to be put out for help.
00:19:56
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asked the public for information. And that was done by noon, like that morning. So like 12 hours after she was missing. Yeah. She's so hesitant. I'm like, well, they did a lot of stuff where like a lot of people are like, Oh, yeah, they run away all the time. And then they don't do anything for like six days. And you're like, but your child was missing.
00:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's different if you're the parent. Yeah. You're not the one being like, oh yeah, it's probably just a runaway. That's horrible if that's anyone's first default assumption. Why does everybody think all of the kids want to run away from every family? Exactly. Come on. If they're calling the cops, then they usually probably don't have a history of it or whatever. You know what I mean? It's out of the ordinary. Yeah.
00:20:56
Speaker
Ugh.
00:20:57
Speaker
Um, yeah, so this broadcast goes out. Uh, it was noted by I think at least one source that Eva's father had visited local civil guard station about 15 times during the first night. And he criticized them for not searching the rural roads or using vehicles during the search, um, that was happening before sunrise, except for one short 20 minute run through town that they made, um, that they used vehicles for. Otherwise they didn't during the night.
00:21:27
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which is kind of stupid. They claim they didn't do it earlier because it was customary to wait some hours after a missing person's report and starting the search.
00:21:48
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much. Yeah, I can see it because it's like, like wasting manpower all the time if it's not something serious, but still, yeah, I can tell it's not going to end up well. Like they had already they didn't call immediately they had already searched for an hour themselves with people all through town. So, right, like they had already tried themselves. So now they needed the police. But something else said that they
00:22:18
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which is the thing that they declined, but her father said that he was told initially that they didn't use vehicles because they didn't have any gas. And then when he kind of took it to the public and was like, yeah, they told me they didn't have gas. They were like, oh, no, it's actually because it's customary to wait this many hours. And he's like, well, you told me it was because you didn't have gas. Wow. Yeah. Why would you even say that? Like, isn't that so weird?
00:22:48
Speaker
I don't know. At what point is that a better reason slash? Yeah, right. Because I can hardly call it a reason. Yeah. Um, yeah. So shaking my head. Really, the next thing is the most one of the most unfortunate and that's them finding Eva Blanco.
Eva Blanco: Investigation and Theories
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Her body was found the next day.
00:23:16
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at 9 a.m. by two elderly residents. And it was next to a road construction site that was between Cobina and Belvist de Jarma. Jarma, maybe? About six kilometers. Yeah, like a construction site. Next to a road construction site.
00:23:43
Speaker
Okay, so out of the way, not a lot of traffic and stuff. Yeah. It was about six kilometers away from Algeet or Algeet. And initially, residents thought she might have been run over, like because it was right by the road. And the Civil Guard noticed that Ava was found face down, and she actually had several stab wounds in her back.
00:24:12
Speaker
And they determined that... Yeah, that's not gonna be something that comes from a car. Like, you mean tires aren't made of knives? If that's what they were going for, like, no, it's not working. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah, so these stab wounds were made, they determined while she'd been running away from an attacker. Oh my god.
00:24:39
Speaker
Yeah. Seems like she was trying to fight back as best she could. Damn. Yeah. She was wearing the same jeans and dark sweater, the mountain boots she had been last seen in. Like, you went to a nightclub in mountain boots. Okay. I thought that was a little, okay.
00:25:05
Speaker
duck martens girl you know but like you'll wear like a skirt and then you like like i had these knee high like lace-up boots yeah and they just kind of like balance out the femininity of the skirt and make a nice contrast like i gave it yeah also she's a practical girly i guess i don't know she's like i want to dance and i don't want to hurt my ankles yeah
00:25:27
Speaker
They believed that Ava and her killer had been driven to the scene, like they had got there by vehicle. However, there had been a heavy rain like over that first 24 hours that had already washed away any of the tire tracks and most other forensic evidence that could have been found at the scene. There was only a couple pieces of forensic evidence that they ever really had one of those
00:25:55
Speaker
surviving pieces was some footprints from Ava and some from a man who had been wearing size 42 moccasins. What? Yeah, I should have looked up. I think that's just the European size. I can't remember what the conversion is.
00:26:14
Speaker
But it does sound weirdly, um, large cause like shoe sizes are like five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10 or whatever. Yeah. I, I think the conversion, it's probably like maybe 11 or 12. Like it's, it's not abnormal because at my work we do like up to size 44, I think for men. So that would be probably like 13 at least.
00:26:38
Speaker
Yeah, the European sizes are like all different. Oh yeah, the sizing charts are all different. Yeah. Also Moccasin's dam. I wore some of those at King's Landing historical settlement. Can you ever feel every fucking pebble under your feet if you're walking on it?
00:26:54
Speaker
like stone road or like, yeah. Oh, yeah. So the so they found her body at nine, it seems it was reported to police about that time. But the Civil Guard notified Eva's family that they had found her body not until like 330. So like, oh, fucking eight hours later, which I think are six and a half ish hours later, which I think really sucks.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yeah, I wonder why. I don't know. I didn't find anything that really talked about why that might have been. Right. Like if they're processing the scene, but like you could let the family know, hopefully before the press does. Right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Once it broke to the public, it caused a huge commotion in Algiet, a town of only 12,300 people.
00:27:52
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. Pretty small. With virtually no history of violence. Like, um, yeah, it broke this part. Little town, little village. Right. I feel like the town really banded together for the family, though, because it said that night at seven p.m., at least 200 people gathered silently in front of the Blanco home to condemn her murder.
00:28:20
Speaker
So they just like stood in front of the house. And Eva Blanco's funeral was held on April 23rd and was attended by over 2000 people.
00:28:33
Speaker
yeah imagine so it affected a lot of people i think it's like the violence of it and because she was so young and it's probably a fairly close community um yeah oh yeah sounds like it had a major impact it's just like wow two thousand people at your own funeral can you even think that that's gonna happen to someone who's not violently taken from us or whatever right
00:29:01
Speaker
So getting into autopsy, this will be, this is where it just gets worse. It just gets worse and worse. Should I go refill my drink now? It's not the worst one either of us has ever talked about, but it still sucks. Ava's autopsy revealed that she had been stabbed in the back 19 times before she died of blood loss at around 4am.
00:29:30
Speaker
which broke my heart because it broke my heart that they put her time of death at 4am because they started searching for her at midnight so she died four hours later and if they had they could have presumably found her like within four hours like that breaks my heart
00:29:54
Speaker
yeah like there's times when it very much warrants a quick response because yeah you have the opportunity to possibly save someone yeah that's that sucks like the window being so narrow like that you're just like what if just like one more minute happened it's like oh
00:30:12
Speaker
Yeah. Damn it. The murder weapon was this, would this be like Navajah? It's a traditional Spanish folding blade fighting and utility knife. It looks like wild. It almost looks like a hunting knife, but it's a lot more
00:30:32
Speaker
I don't know artistic looking, like ceremonial. Yeah, there is a couple played the way you said it. Like folds in it folds in. It's sheath. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.
00:30:48
Speaker
um there is a couple pictures on the drive of like Ava and the knife and stuff um so the knife itself is between eight and ten centimeters long and one centimeter wide so that's what they determined the blade used for her
00:31:04
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was the first stab wound was made while she was sitting in the vehicle at the time. They presumed she was in a vehicle and then the rest after she had made it out of the car and started to run away trying to escape up a slope that was next to the road. Many of the wounds mostly were found on her ear and the back of her head were superficial and even interpreted as passionate.
00:31:32
Speaker
I don't understand when they talk about wounds to her ear in the back of the head.
00:31:45
Speaker
I'll end up being passionate. I'm going like a crime of passion. Obviously you can't stab someone like almost 20 times and not be emotional about it. Like what the fuck? It's beautiful too. Yeah. They said this was in the knife. Sorry. I wanted to let you know. Yeah. Isn't it like.
00:32:09
Speaker
Yeah, it has a very interesting shaped blade that's kind of like curves. Yeah, I see why. Yeah. It's like ceremonial. It reminded me of like a Sikh like ceremonial knife almost. Yeah. As per Fortune Fire, there's some sort of a fuller along the blade. No, I don't want to like this blade. And I don't like any of this because it's a horrible story. Okay.
00:32:39
Speaker
Yeah, so these other wounds that she had were in contrast to the first like stab wound that was described as deep and they believe would have been fatal all by itself, like let alone the other 18 times she was stabbed and whatever other wounds she had. Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:58
Speaker
um originally they said that she had had like sex recently and that the same man semen was found in her mouth vagina and underwear which more on that later because they're like oh yeah okay
00:33:21
Speaker
A red fiber was also found in Ava's mouth and it was identified as a common type of car upholstery and this finally was what confirmed that she had been transported to that construction site in a car. So like they had that theory before but this really cemented it when they're like oh well like she had upholstery like how else would you get
00:33:45
Speaker
car, like, why would you chew on car upholstery? Yeah, somewhere other than a car. Yeah. Yeah. And but why is it they always like, if you listen to true crime for a while, you might hear people saying that, like, it always comes back to maroon fibers. And then when you say like red fiber. Yeah. Why? I don't know. These little distinctive things that they can find.
00:34:10
Speaker
I think they can figure out what the fibers are made of, they can figure out what dyes are used, and I learned there's also a crazy registry that I think car manufacturers actually log that information into so that it helps them solve crimes.
00:34:27
Speaker
Yeah because this it said like that the national car whatever registry database provided that hit and like identification because they figure out what vehicles like have that that upholstery. Okay yeah the make and model at least.
00:34:47
Speaker
Yeah, there's a few of them it seems like that had that. So her body was found dressed. It showed no previous signs of violence, like other than what happened, like no bruises or anything like that. And both the coroner and officers at the time believed that the sex that she had recently had had been consensual and that they believed that the murder was the result of an argument that could have happened afterward.
00:35:17
Speaker
So yeah. Maybe no signs of sexual assault as far as they could tell possibly. Yeah. Blanco's parents... That's not too difficult to prove. Yeah, so that's what the police say. This is what Blanco's parents say. They thought that their daughter had been kidnapped and raped at knife point and then murdered to cover it up. So that's what they're working with, which that's awful.
00:35:46
Speaker
So maybe they don't know if she was sexually active or not and didn't want to think that she was. I'm not sure. I didn't ever really run across anything that was talking about that. Again, there wasn't a lot of backstory to really like get into with this one. Yeah, which I can respect, but also makes it hard to research. Yeah.
00:36:07
Speaker
So the Civil Guard initially believed that the case would be closed after a fairly short investigation. Their dominant theory was that a single person who was known to Eva had approached her in a car, offered her a ride, which she had accepted. And they had then driven her to the construction site, which was a known lover's lane, where the two had had sex before she was murdered. So that's what they believed. And they're like, we just have to find the person.
00:36:37
Speaker
Right, because it seemed like she willingly got in the car and so they can kind of base some of it on that.
00:36:43
Speaker
So their first suspect was Eva's ex-boyfriend. They had recently broken up. And I think one source like, oh, I think I say his name later on. He comes up again. I don't know why I didn't like go back and put it in here. I think it's like Miguel or something. He was ruled out after being questioned by police. So like they believed he had no involvement.
00:37:07
Speaker
They then decided to focus on any adult men that were close to the Blanco family and that Eva would have known and accepted a ride from, as all of her friends said that she would never get into a car with a stranger. Right, most of them were there still at the party.
00:37:24
Speaker
Yeah, because she was the first one to leave, or one of the first. So yeah, like they're working on the investigation. It comes to May 29. The government announced that the case was more complicated than originally thought, and that they could now not rule out that a stranger had forced Eva into the car.
00:37:48
Speaker
Yeah, so while investigating, police kept the existence of these semen samples that they had collected from the Blanco family and had not released that information to the public.
00:38:03
Speaker
Yeah, because of this, like withholding this, they actually kind of covertly collected DNA samples from all the male relatives and even acquaintances of the Blanco family, all in secret and compared them against the sample.
00:38:20
Speaker
Um, it said even even interesting that they didn't have to get the permission, but smart. Yeah. Uh, even Ava's father's DNA was collected from a cigarette that he smoked at the police station during one of his interviews. Uh, other samples were collected as either unrelated blood alcohol tests, or even just from cups and glasses that had been used in bars.
00:38:52
Speaker
That's crazy. It's like a fucking PI movie dude digging outside in the trash can. Exactly. Well, because they can. Yeah. Once it's in the trash, I think it's public property. And that's why, I don't know, Pat has always wanted to say how people can learn a lot from going through your trash and stuff like that. They can learn how unhealthy I eat. Yeah, that too. That's for sure.
DNA Breakthroughs and Arrest
00:39:24
Speaker
So covertly collected all these DNA samples. Although no matches were made, the Civil Guard were made convinced that the killer was an adult male resident.
00:39:35
Speaker
living in the town or a nearby town. So they still try to... Seems fair enough, like probably. Yeah, like obviously. It's someone that lives nearby. It's usually a guy just saying. Yeah. So jumping into like the next thing, it is about eight months after the murder now.
00:40:02
Speaker
When Olga, Eva's mother, actually finds these two diaries or notebooks that are hidden between the drawers in Eva's room. Oh, between the drawers? Yeah, they were labeled 95 to 96 and 96 to 97.
00:40:28
Speaker
and the last two years of her life yeah they were handwritten by ava and the last entry my understanding was was like the day before her murder uh oh my god and it's it's not super so crazy sorry i'm still trying to figure out like how she hid in between the drawers they're just like
00:40:51
Speaker
I don't really know. Is it taped to the bottom of one of them? I don't know. Right? Do you think that would get in the way of opening the drawer? Maybe. Interesting. It's not super thrilling. Most of the pages only contained Ava and Miguel, the name of her ex-boyfriend, written over and over in different color pens. Two whole notebooks of hundreds of pages of this is a little crazy, though.
00:41:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's a bit obsessive a little bit. Yeah. Mr. and Mrs. Yeah. It didn't talk about anything. It said most of the pages. It didn't talk about what anything else was written under the other than this last one, which was two pages before the last entry. Ava and Miguel that was like written over and over again was replaced with Ava and 343110 over and over again.
00:41:51
Speaker
Isn't that creepy? Maybe they literally like shiver for some reason. It's one of the reasons I picked this case because I was like, what the fuck? All attempts. They crossed out Miguel or? No, instead of her writing Ava and Miguel, it just suddenly was replaced with Ava and 343110 over and over again. Yeah, that's cryptic. You know that's right. Yeah.
00:42:18
Speaker
All attempts to find the meaning of 343110 were unsuccessful with some hypothesis revolving around the fact that 34, the first two numbers, is the phone prefix for Spain. And that 110 is the town, like nearby town algae, or algae, it's their postal code.
00:42:45
Speaker
Which is weird. Ava's father... I just think it's so funny if it's true. Because we actually still don't know what this means. They've never figured it out.
00:43:02
Speaker
What does that mean? No, that's why I'm like, this is so intriguing. I want to know what this means. This is Eva's father's theory. And that is the number 343110 is the number of a pager that was given in a Coca Cola like promotion or like TV ad at the time. Oh, thrilling. But so random.
00:43:31
Speaker
I don't know because he saw that there was a pager number at the time used in the ad. I'm like, I guess so. Like just that number was like the number on the Coca-Cola ad. Yeah. I don't know when you had the pizza commercials with the Greco 3 1 0 3 0 3 0. Give me the phone number.
00:43:55
Speaker
Yeah, maybe. What? Yeah, it's just weird. While others trying to figure out what it meant believed that it could be like a coded name. But again, they've never figured this out. So just like, boom, just a random in the middle of this case. That's the thing about codes, though. Yeah, it could be a name, it could be a date, like if you don't have the right thing that cracks the code, like the, you know, the thing.
00:44:25
Speaker
Like a cypher? Yeah, the cypher or the key. Then you just you're never going to figure it out if it's written in. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, cryptic code. Yeah, so that's just a random thing I thought was interesting. One of the reasons I wanted to cover the case because it was like, that's so random and it's not explained at all. But yeah.
00:44:49
Speaker
What are they making? Right? Have fun trying to sleep tonight. I'm already like three, four, one, one, what? Three, four, three, one, one, zero. Some of that, there's some threes and some fours in my birthday. I was trying to figure out dates and things. Already my mind's like trying to like decrypt it and see if it lines up to anything that I know. Yeah.
00:45:16
Speaker
Uh, yeah. So, uh, I don't know exactly when, but this was, I'd say at least a year or so after, um, Eva's murder, but her family was finally informed of these DNA samples that have been collected at the scene. And yeah, the Blanco family actually started a campaign for all the town residents to voluntarily provide their DNA. And the plan was even backed by the mayor.
00:45:47
Speaker
Okay, so they told them about it, but not because they'd actually found any matches in the DNA samples? Yeah, I don't really know why they told them about it, but however... Yeah, that seems very disheartening almost. Yeah.
00:46:01
Speaker
The plan was blocked by the Spanish judicial organizations. They said that it was a simple minded and useless plan. And they even said that it could cause stigma for anyone who refused to voluntarily provide their DNA, which I mean, fair. So who fucking cares? You should have some suspicion or something on you if you refuse to provide DNA for a case that everybody wants solved.
00:46:28
Speaker
What are you hiding? The nice thing is that the town once again had the families back and even though it wasn't like this huge campaign, Eva's father ended up receiving 2013 samples from different residents of Algiette and even nearby towns sent DNA samples and they were actually stored at a local courthouse until they could figure out what to do with them and like how to test them all.
00:46:58
Speaker
Holy shit. Wow. They had such an influx. They were just like, yeah. They didn't know what to do with it. They determined that they couldn't feasibly test all of these samples. It just wouldn't be time productive and it would cost too much money. I kind of see, because if they're not all suspects, yeah. Yeah, exactly.
00:47:21
Speaker
Yeah, just random people. So as a result of this, only about 45 samples were tested. They focused on the relatives and acquaintances of the Blanco family and people who had any sort of criminal record, especially those with like sexual assaults or stabbings.
00:47:38
Speaker
Right, and like in the area, I mean that makes sense. There's all the kind of things that cops know to do, narrow it down. From Wikipedia, this is kind of interesting.
00:47:55
Speaker
There was, it said by 2007, so big time jumps I have coming up. There's a lot of years we passed through where not much happens. Oh yeah, because it started in 1997, right? Yeah, so this is from Wikipedia. It said by 2007, 30 officers had worked in the case.
00:48:17
Speaker
and information on similar cases had been requested from other law enforcement offices during the, or including the Arizantiza, I'm not sure what that is, and the FBI. A specialist from the University of Santiago reexamined the DNA evidence and concluded that it belonged to a man of not European descent,
00:48:44
Speaker
Six years later, yeah, because like as DNA I guess is like evolving, they can like test more on the samples. Right. Yeah. Six years later in 2013, the number of people investigated, who were like kind of suspects or they had looked into risen to about 1503. And 208 men from Algiet and other towns had had their DNA tested, including criminals who were on leave at the time of murder.
00:49:15
Speaker
A new examining magistrate allowed the opening and checking of the 2013 envelopes that contained the names of the volunteers that had provided their DNA back in 1999, but they didn't allow the testing of all the DNA samples, but they allowed them to unseal who had provided the samples voluntarily to try and use that as an investigation point.
00:49:44
Speaker
Really? Yeah. So then you could see who at least voluntarily submitted samples, I guess. Just see like, okay, maybe we don't need to like, look at these people at all. Yeah, you would you would hope. Yeah, not always the case.
00:50:05
Speaker
The next break is a good one. It's also in 2013. A program called Ava, a cold case, was aired on television to bring the case back into the public eye. And many of those who investigated over the decades were interviewed. And a criminologist on the show
00:50:30
Speaker
publicly rejected the theory of her having a secret boyfriend and that she most likely would not have met someone that close to her curfew. Again, she was with inside of her house. Her curfew was in 15 minutes. She's not going to go hook up with somebody in the vacant parking lot. Right. Most people seem to agree that was not kind of in her nature to flout the rules or whatever.
00:50:58
Speaker
Yeah. It didn't seem like it. Yeah. This is something to be said for that. Right. The criminologist said that she was likely a victim of someone who maybe had stalked her or even just somebody who barely knew her was a total stranger and that the lack of defensive wounds could have been the results of her being threatened before ultimately agreeing to have sex with her attacker. So like she would have been like forced into it through like
00:51:27
Speaker
and threat of violence and that kind of stuff. So that's maybe why it didn't appear like she was raped, but it would have been part of the attack. Yeah. Yeah. Someone rolls up next to you with like a gun pointing out their window. You might be more inclined to get in the car even if you don't know them and you wouldn't normally do that because you're like, well, what am I going to do to survive now? Yeah. Yeah.
00:51:55
Speaker
After the program aired, a woman reported to authorities that she had seen a suspicious man in the road construction site at around 9am, or sorry, 8am. So this is like hours after Ava had died. He was walking in the rain with no umbrella, and he looked like he had not slept that night. She said that this man appeared to be looking for something at the construction site before getting into a white Renault 18.
00:52:24
Speaker
I feel like I've heard of that car. Right? I thought I had to. I miss old cool car names. Now it's just like what there's like seven car manufacturers and that's all you get.
00:52:38
Speaker
Maybe that's like the European version of Toyota. Like what do we know? Yeah. So like she came forward after seeing this program and was like, Hey, I might have this like person I saw. So the Civil Guard believed her as a Renault 18 had actually previously been reported by multiple other witnesses over the years, like separately, and that the car model did have the same fiber that they had retrieved.
00:53:06
Speaker
like from the upholstery from Eva's body. Yeah. So they believed that she had seen this man because yeah, like it seemed like they had gotten a few statements but hadn't really had enough to piece together much.
00:53:22
Speaker
Um, so I think I'm not sure with who's help, maybe the other people who maybe saw the car and along with this woman that called in, but in 2013, towards the end of it, the civil guard released a facial composite that was made, um, by these new witness statements. Uh, they also described the suspect as between 35 and 40 back in 1997. They said he had a square and hardened face.
00:53:49
Speaker
Uh, they believed he was between 75 and 80 kilograms. At the time he had short spiky brown hair and drove a white Renault 18 with red upholstery. So like they released that to the public. And then they also included a confidential phone number and email address. Um, which I don't really think it allotted too much, but it did say over the next two months, they did receive about a hundred emails. Uh, yeah.
00:54:19
Speaker
but it didn't really seem like it amounted to any sort of investigation. Yeah, no new leads. No. Still in 2013 with the advancement of DNA testing and the use of genealogical websites.
00:54:37
Speaker
Uh, genealogy for the fucking win. Right? Um, it doesn't pinpoint who, but it kind of helps this go along, I guess the killer. Can usually tell you that like a family line or something. A little bit. Yeah. Um, this killer was finally revealed. So tests showed that the suspect had
00:54:59
Speaker
North African origins, and as a result, hundreds of people in the algae community voluntarily again contributed their DNA profile to help the investigation, focusing on people with North African origins.
00:55:15
Speaker
Even people who had moved out of the town had provided samples. One of those men was Faud Chell, who had since moved from Algète to southern France. So he heard about it and he sent his DNA all the way from France. And thank God he did, because his profile revealed that he was a sibling of Eva's killer.
00:55:42
Speaker
Okay, okay. Yeah, this isn't that far away really
00:55:50
Speaker
Well, he had lived there at the time of the murder. He had since moved to France. So yeah, a sample from their other brother who was never who never lived in Algid. His blood or his sample was also collected and it also showed it was a sibling match. So he now confirmed it against two of his siblings. Like this is definitely a word like relative. It's the famous podcast. My brother, my brother and me.
00:56:21
Speaker
Sorry, my friend Caitlin listens to that, I think. Oh, I've never heard of that. What is that? I've never heard that one. No. I guess it's three brothers, I mean. Okay, yeah. But like, I've heard them talk about it sometimes on our D&D nights where I'm like, okay, is this like a famous podcast? Like, three brothers that just shift the shit, I guess. I don't know.
00:56:47
Speaker
Yeah, so they've now confirmed this against two of the brothers and as a result an arrest warrant was issued for Ahmed Chela Jerj.
00:57:05
Speaker
I think it's like chill. I don't know. I tried looking up the pronunciation of the last name and I couldn't really find it, but he was, uh, an arrest warrant was issued out. I'm not exactly sure when, like how long it took to get like all the DNA verifications. Cause that was happening. Um, but he wasn't arrested until October 1st, 2015 outside of his place of work where he lived in France, um, with the help of like,
00:57:34
Speaker
teaming up with the French authorities to arrest him.
00:57:40
Speaker
Uh, going into his side a little bit, Ahmed was 34 at the time of the murders. He was married to a woman who was 14 years younger than him. And at the time of, this is what I hate. At the time of Ava's murder, Ahmed's wife was five months pregnant with their third child. Oh, that's great, buddy. That's what you're out doing when your wife's at home pregnant.
00:58:09
Speaker
Yeah, looking after your other two kids. Exactly. Their family never seemed to be listed as residents of Algid as they lived in a caravan that was parked near his work. This caravan was parked just four kilometers away from the murder scene. So like that construction site.
00:58:32
Speaker
But they weren't listed as residents because it was a caravan? I guess so. Maybe it's not a permanent address. Right, not a permanent dwelling on the citizenship. What do they call those things when they come around and do the surveys door to door? Like the census? Yeah. Yeah. It's like, oh, you guys don't count. Well, they do if they murder people. Right? Yeah.
00:59:01
Speaker
Kind of important. The family had actually moved to France in 1999, and the couple was described as separating amicably. And then the cell guy he remarried, this time to an even younger woman who was a 24-year-old Moroccan student. Okay.
00:59:28
Speaker
And this time, at that time he was like 52, I think, and he married a 24 year old. Well, I wasn't sure if you were going to say 24 years younger, but basically. Yeah, it was basically half his age. And this couple, they ended up having two more children.
00:59:51
Speaker
So he now has five kids. And I don't know what happened to the first three kids. They're never mentioned again, but it said that his kids at the time of his arrest were six and an infant. So I don't know what happened to the first three. Maybe they were with their mother. Yeah. Maybe a blessing that they didn't get included in all of the media then. Yeah. Poor kids. Like you don't get to pick what your parents do. Oh my God.
01:00:21
Speaker
I do have a bit about what his friends and family and he kind of had to say when they, I guess, interrogated him. It said, when told about the DNA evidence, he claimed that he had gone out for a walk alone when two unidentified men had grabbed him, brought him to Ava's body and forced him to masturbate over it.
01:00:46
Speaker
Uh, that is excellent. Okay. I really believe that story. Right. Um, his ex-wife, however, told journalists that he had left that night in the company of his brothers, as they usually do on the weekends. She claimed that no one ever told her about that night until after his arrest.
01:01:14
Speaker
when one of the brothers said that they had been at the same disco as Ava and that they had talked to her after she had gotten an argument with her ex-boyfriend. Ava left the disco with the brothers at one point, but she went back inside with her friends around 11 p.m. His ex-wife also claimed that neither the police nor the civil guard had ever interrogated her or the brothers in the course of the investigation.
01:01:45
Speaker
So like the brothers presumably like they had had some contact with her that night and then she ended up dead. Whether they knew that their brother had left or like found her later that night.
01:02:03
Speaker
Yeah. It's not just somebody knew something in this case. We're pretty sure who the people are who should have known something. I'm at least finally the one brother sent in his DNA, but I feel like they knew something had happened.
01:02:20
Speaker
that their brother was somewhat involved way before that. Right, because it's like this other brother's DNA or whatever that alerted him. Yeah, he voluntarily sent it in and they're like, oh shit, he's a match. He's a sibling and he had voluntarily sent it from France when they had asked for more.
01:02:41
Speaker
Yeah, let's turn in my brother, see if he actually did it, like fuck. Both her and her youngest son denied that the dad had ever mistreated them, but she later admitted that he became aggressive when he drank. It said Blanco's family never met their family, but they did interact sporadically with his brother at most. One of the brothers there. The other one isn't really named.
01:03:11
Speaker
So I'm not sure which one. Okay, so she did know the brothers somewhat. Yeah, one of the brothers, like the family at least might have known a little bit. A former coworker at the plant nursery where Cello worked said he was not very social. He was aggressive after drinking and a little pervy with women.
01:03:39
Speaker
Just a great party guest. Yeah, for everybody who you want to hang around with. It's that uncle. Former female customers also remembered him as, quote, a pervert, the kind that makes you feel bad when he's near, which shit. Yeah.
01:04:03
Speaker
Literally a pervert. Yeah, that's not a good sign. Yeah, when Manuel and Olga were told that their daughter's killer had finally been arrested, Olga said, quote, it looks like God has heard me and given me some joy after so many years of suffering.
01:04:22
Speaker
I think this is a separate quote. It was a very emotional moment. The captain also got emotional when he told us about the rest and he started to cry. Now I hope that justice will be done and that this man pays for everything he did to my daughter. Like they're pretty sure it's him then. I'm like, yeah.
01:04:52
Speaker
Yeah, I mean the DNA, I think I saw somewhere it said it was even when they were testing the siblings that said there was like a 97 or 90% chance that he was an immediate sibling to like both brothers. So like, yeah, like, it's your brother. Like there was no doubt.
01:05:09
Speaker
Right. Yeah. Yeah, you couldn't get those kind of percentages before DNA. Yeah. So jumping ahead a little bit, I can't remember what year this would be, maybe 2015-ish, October 5th on Mad Shell, unsuccessfully tried to cut his jugular vein with a small piece of glass in his cell.
01:05:38
Speaker
Because he sucks. Yeah, apparently he sucks at that. Sorry. You're causing yourself more pain. I think at this point he was still in France because it said just five days later he was deported to Spain and back in the custody of the Civil Guard.
01:06:02
Speaker
So I think that happened when he was in France. There was a... He was using it as a way to get moved? I wonder. I think he was just trying to kill himself. And just sucked at that. Maybe. At a preliminary hearing on October 13th, he declined to make a statement but agreed to have his DNA taken, which proved he was...
01:06:28
Speaker
the donator of all that semen. And he was formally charged with murder, rape, a legal detention. And he was to be held in prison until his trial. DNA testing proved beyond a doubt that he was Eva Blanco's killer. Really? Yeah. They were like so unsure at first. They were like, oh, yeah, she probably just had consensual sex. So it was just like, OK, well, did she? Yeah. Wow.
01:06:58
Speaker
Uh, he tried to get released. Like there was a few appeals. I didn't want to get into it. Cause it was like, he doesn't, he doesn't deserve it. Um, but all of these were like denied. Yeah. There's a lot of that that goes on. It's like, yeah, we don't need to get bogged down at all. Yeah.
01:07:16
Speaker
On the 8th of January 2016, a team of prison psychiatrists and psychologists supported the lifting of anti-suicide measures that have been placed on him since their arrest as he had repeatedly requested they be lifted.
01:07:34
Speaker
At the next hearing, this would be January 15th, he claimed, again, two people forced him into the car, threatened him with that knife, that navaja, in order to make him ejaculate over Eva, who he said was still alive inside the car.
01:08:03
Speaker
It's so bad. He insisted at this trial thing that he had never penetrated her, but when asked why his semen was found inside her body, he could not answer.
01:08:18
Speaker
Like, God, that gives me a flashback to this book I was reading with the, the, the, not criminal minds, but, uh, the John Douglas guys. Yeah. Yeah. It was him and someone. Yeah. One of the other ones and they're like, just Robert Rustler, I think is the other one.
01:08:41
Speaker
Yeah, I'm not sure if those were the exact two ones that just wrote this book, but like, you're like, oh, they get the first peek, peek inside the killer's minds. And yeah, some of them just, they have just such bizarre logic, like where they're like, Oh, sure. I killed someone, but I could never rape them. And just like this weird stuff like that, where you're just like, I don't understand. This doesn't make any sense, but that's your logic. Yeah. Okay. Their minds are so warped and just twisted. Yeah.
01:09:11
Speaker
trying to understand, but I just know I won't be able to. Yeah, I wish I had a happy or a happy note to end it on. My last two sentences are that on January or I just put on January 2016 in January 2016.
Closure and Aftermath
01:09:32
Speaker
I don't know when.
01:09:35
Speaker
Ahmed Chell was found dead in his cell. He had hung himself with his shoelaces, something else had bedsheets, I don't know, but he had hanged himself. And then because of that, the prosecution formally ended against him on February 15th, and they stopped pursuing anything, and then the case just basically was closed.
01:10:01
Speaker
The end, sadly. I don't have anything updated. I couldn't find anything from the family. A lot of the stuff is in Spanish or was behind subscription walls and I couldn't access it. Oh no.
01:10:17
Speaker
Yeah, so I don't know what the family has to say about that. The quotes about him being caught were like the last ones and some of the only ones I ran across from her parents. At least most of them live to see him get caught. But yeah, what a fucking cowardly thing to do to just take yourself out. Yeah, and like he
01:10:42
Speaker
Like you got away with it for how many years? Like, Oh yeah. But the second they're in prison, it's like Israel keys where he was like, Oh, I killed like almost like 50 people, but like, I don't want my kid to find out about it. So I'd rather kill myself. He's like, I'm pretty sure your name's going to be pretty fucking famous no matter if you kill yourself or not. Now, like, sorry, you've tainted your kid's legacy and whatever. Like there's no going back. Yeah.
01:11:11
Speaker
stupid and single-minded sometimes, you're just like, what? Yeah, that logic makes no sense to me. They're always going to find out. They can Google you. Fuck. It's over.
01:11:22
Speaker
Oh my god. No, that above everything. I, I, yeah, this one stuck out with like that, the weird diary like code mystery. And then I think too, just because she was so close, like to home, like presumably within sight of it. And yeah, that was really hard. Yeah, it just
01:11:48
Speaker
And I do like the ones with all the like genealogy, website testing, how that's able to aid investigation sometimes. I like that that was involved a little bit. Oh yeah. Cause they'll be like completely stalled. And if you didn't have that, what are you going to do? Yeah. Cause they at least were able to figure out like, even if they couldn't have DNA to test it against, they could figure out like his ancestry, like the DNA.
01:12:18
Speaker
samples ancestry and be like, okay, they most likely are like, have this proportion of like different ancestries and different ethnicities. And this is their genetic makeup. So like, this is probably what ethnicity they're probably look like. And this is what the type of people we should focus on that are like in that area. Which is crazy. Yeah, like, just because it's accurate, usually in those cases.
01:12:47
Speaker
Yeah, like it definitely did help and I am happy the brother sent in his DNA voluntarily, but I feel like he did know something or at least had some sort of suspicions if it's true what the ex-wife said that the brothers like were at the disco and interacted with Ava and then even left with her at one point and then she went back to the disco. That seems a little suspicious to me.
01:13:15
Speaker
yeah i guess i feel like there's another um famous infamous murderer person who was turned in by one of their siblings i want to say the um uh the unibomber
01:13:32
Speaker
like I think so what's his brother and his brother's wife or something I was gonna say yeah sibling like recognized his voice or and or like writing or whatever yeah something like that I'm sure it's happened more times than
01:13:50
Speaker
you hear about, which I can't imagine a lot of the sources were like, they couldn't believe he was such a family man. Like he had had five kids, he had two different wives. They were everybody who was like, they claimed they were blindsided that he was capable of murder. And I'm like, well, he did seem to be quite pervy towards young women. So, oh, right. Yeah. They're like, no, we didn't think murder, but we did think pervy. It's like, yeah, then obviously didn't trust him. Yeah.
01:14:20
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Sorry, that just made me laugh at that. Like, yeah, he's cool. He's cool. Uncle Joe's cool, but he's pervy. You're like, oh, yeah, great. Yeah. We can handle that. As long as he's not a murderer, because those could possibly go hand in hand. Right? Actions couldn't possibly escalate where you all know.
01:14:51
Speaker
Great job. Really great job. Thank you. That was fascinating. Yeah, I'm glad you enjoyed it. Hopefully everybody else did too. As much as you can enjoy a horrible crime, yes. Very well told, and I didn't know that one. No, I still haven't really been able to figure out why I thought the name was so familiar. Oh yeah.
01:15:18
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Yeah, because I definitely don't remember hearing the case once I got through all the details. Well, like there was no way I ever heard this anywhere. But yeah, no, so many we don't. Yeah, they don't happen here or whatever. We're just like, huh? Yeah, so it's always interesting. We will take a break and we'll come back for two. All right, mine's short. Don't worry.
01:15:48
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Welcome back to this bullshit. We are here for part two of Spain crimes. Yeah. And I looked up some Spanish conquerors in history. Okay.
01:16:08
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Yeah. He said, I don't think you'll come across this guy. I think I went a little bit back. So I guess this will just be a little bit about Spanish conquistador Nuno de Guzman.
01:16:23
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Okay, I think I think that's I like a conquistador such a fun word to say Maybe that's why everyone talks about the fucking Spanish Inquisition Which we'll get to He was born somewhere around 1490 to 1558 is when he lived Okay, yeah, it's a long time ago
01:16:53
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I know, I know there's definitely like Spanish serial killers and stuff, but I just was like, but like, there's also some in history. And I just kind of, hmm, maybe I'll look up and see. I've won. I scrolled right past all of those. I was like, not this time. Oh, did some come up in some of your lists? I think when I just typed in like, uh, Spanish, like murders or like, true crime in Spain, like,
01:17:20
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some of the first results are always going to be like the serial killers, the big, the big, big ones. And then I kind of tried to scroll a little bit further and was like, I, I'm going to do something. Yeah, I know. Because everyone knows the big serial killers usually if they're from that country. Yeah. Yeah. All right. So yeah, maybe you guys don't know about this guy. I didn't. He was born in Guadalajara, Spain.
01:17:50
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His mother was Magdalena de Guzman, and his father was Hernán Beltran de Guzman, who was a wealthy merchant and high constable in the Spanish Inquisition, which was also called the Tribunal of the Holy Office of the Inquisition.
01:18:15
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And all I ever know about it is like the Monty Python whoever goes, nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Oh, okay. Literally, I never... I know the name Spanish Inquisition, everything I've ever learned about it I have completely forgotten. But for some reason, I feel like it involves famine. Does it involve famine? Oh, more religion from what I...
01:18:41
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Okay. For some reason, maybe I'm confusing it with something else where like they close off the city walls and then like the city inside basically like starves to death. Oh, like a siege? Well, they probably did two things like that.
01:18:59
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Um, they were just like basically trying to spread, uh, Catholicism, Christianity. It said its purpose was to maintain Catholic orthodoxy slash replace the medieval inquisition, which who knows how that went, but more spreading of religion and Catholic religion missionary kind of stuff. Very violent sending over. Yeah. Sending over. We have to spread the word of our, our.
01:19:29
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are just Lord and Savior by force and killing a whole bunch of people. Maybe the one that we just learned about, because we were probably pagan before this, but like spread the word. Yeah. Oh, gosh.
01:19:43
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Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I had that it was a little bit about that because I always wonder what the fuck is this Spanish Inquisition. Yeah. It was established quite a while ago in 1478 by the Catholic monarchs King Ferdinand II of Aragon and Queen Isabella of Castile.
01:20:05
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remember Castile coming up in something I read recently and I could remember if it was research or a book and I was like oh cool that is a real place then I guess like maybe I talked about it the castles episode oh god I don't know um apparently there was also a roman and a portuguese inquisition so there was like a few inquisitions no I've never heard about any of those or the medieval inquisition whatever it was
01:20:34
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They don't get the press. Yeah. Let's start an Inquisition series. We're castles, cryptids and inquisitions. Well, I can fucking rabbit hole on some of this because like I mentioned a couple of times in the notes how this reminded me of an episode I listened to that kind of talked about how or what Christopher Columbus actually did and like
01:21:03
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versus what they were told as an American growing up. We'll touch on how it's a little bit sugar-coated. Oh yeah, I think most of history is written by the victors.
01:21:19
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Not the people who were overtaken or anything so it's it can be very biased Exactly. I find out my my military hobby is want to say that and I'm like, yeah, it makes sense like it totally Shapes the history which history is very much you can study it but it's like yeah hard to pinpoint and there's so many different yeah Okay, so we did a lot of stuff
01:21:48
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in his lifetime this I think it's Nuno because it has that little like El Nino does yeah I'm guessing it's pronounced Nuno de Guzman um he acted as colonial administrator of New Spain which is like Mexico okay yeah yeah I guess that's what it was called I'm like oh yeah that makes sense
01:22:13
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Like how they just added new to the front of so many different places. But some places, it's stuck, right? We still have New York. We still have... Yeah. Well, I grew up in New Brunswick. Like, there's just so many places. But like, what's old York? Where was York? Well, York was in the UK. It's in Britain. Yeah. So it was just like New York. Fuck. Yeah. I hate that. Like, just come up with a different name.
01:22:40
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Yeah. Is that why in Futurama it's New New York? Oh my god. Because it's the newer New York. We know she loves The Simpsons, so we've been starting watching this in Futurama. And then there's like newer episodes, which we haven't seen. Okay. I'm somewhere in season five or six where they had like the four part episodes of like mini movies. And then, yeah.
01:23:03
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it's it's after they got cancelled at least the first time which is trying to look it up in a development where they'll make jokes that reference the fact that they were like cancelled you're like hey yeah yeah i like that yeah they pretty like when they came up in like the 90s early 2000s they were like using technology that hadn't really existed yet which was kind of crazy yeah tablet thingies even though they didn't call them like tablets whatever yeah yeah
01:23:34
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All right, all that to say, New Spain is Mexico now. So this guy was governor of the province of Panuco and also in a place called Nueva Galicia from 1529 to 34. So we're in the 1500s.
01:23:54
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Whoa. Wonderful time. No, I don't know. No toilet paper, but I'm sure it was fine. No forks. Whatever. Right? I could not do it. I'm sorry. I couldn't survive. We used our hands for everything.
01:24:20
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He became president of what was called the first Royal Audencia of Mexico, which was the high court that governed New Spain from 1528 to 1530. I don't know when they started calling it Mexico. I just know that they called it the Royal Audencia of Mexico this time. Yeah, sometime between the 20s and 30s it seems.
01:24:48
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Oh my god, it's so confusing. I'm like, Oh no, I got into history. What am I doing? Must cut down things or I will, you know, yeah. Yeah. Well, you know how some history is boring and some of it's interesting. So I've kept the interesting parts.
01:25:08
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He did found a few cities in, especially Northwestern Mexico, including one called Guadalajara, which I thought was awesome because I'm like, he was born in Guadalajara as I learned. So he literally named it after his birthplace, which I'm like, this is how we get some of those names. Yeah. Nice. And like nowadays, I would like know Guadalajara, Mexico, but did not know there was a Guadalajara, Spain, which is kind of funny. Yeah.
01:25:38
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Yeah. He originally worked for a time as a bodyguard to Charles I of Spain. So it was one of his like first jobs.
01:25:48
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then asked to move on to what would later become Mexico in around 1525. So he's off to the coast to take up his post in like the Gulf of Mexico. Okay. Apparently he was sent specifically to kind of counterbalance the rising power of the leader of the Spanish conquest of the Aztec Empire, which was Hanan Cortes. I've heard of him.
01:26:18
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I know. I felt like I heard him too. So apparently the king, the Spanish king was worried that Cortez was getting too powerful down there. So he sent, okay. Because man is someone to, you know, kind of rival him or, or whatever. Go try and intimidate the Aztecs with their cutting out of hearts while you're alive. Right. Well, and this guy's considered the leader of this conquest of the Aztec Empire. So I'm like,
01:26:48
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I don't know what the fuck you guys think you did to conquest them. And he traveled there with another like famous name dropping sort of guy, Louis Ponce de Leon. But some people like the Cortez stans were not happy with this. They didn't like
01:27:14
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Guzman or whatever, but others like the Council of Indies, the Spanish Crown, and the Spanish Conquistadors who felt they had not received what they considered sufficient rewards from Cortez's distribution of encomiendas. Loot, I guess? I don't know. That's what they called it in the Spanish word. Yeah, I think the Aztecs hoarded a shit ton of gold.
01:27:41
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didn't they they had like a lot of gold and stuff that they kept and they were probably the Spanish seem to become known for the gold that they take almost yeah which is kind of interesting it makes sense um yeah of course other people like Spanish settlers who had no dog in the fight of the conquest but they were like hmm
01:28:07
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position and wealth and stuff that maybe we could come into if Cortez isn't up there blocking every man. I don't know. Yeah. Let's start a revolution. Viva la revolution. While he was acting as governor of Panuco, he was pretty strict and harsh, apparently, especially when punishing Cortez's supporters.
01:28:34
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which he then stripped them of like their rights and their property. Oh, yeah. I guess seems pretty standard though. Yeah, it's up to the time. But maybe that's because I kept reading things that honestly said he was so cruel that I expected to be like,
01:28:55
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Okay, what did he do? And then I was like, these all just seem so fun. Hanging people by their toenails, ripping out, ripping out eyeballs, something. Where's the Mad King Targaryen? No. Yeah.
01:29:11
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But yeah, we'll kind of get to that. He stripped them of their rights of property and then, sort of, I don't know if I said this, pushing into the Northwestern regions, he enslaved thousands of indigenous people and shipped them off to the Caribbean colonies. Okay. Yeah, he did. There was a lot of slavery going on then, but he did ship them a lot through slavery. Yeah. Not great.
01:29:41
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Definitely not if that was you. You're like, no, I'm not. No. Right. We discovered this land. No, you didn't. Yeah, there was already people here. Right. Oh my God. Apparently relations were not improved when in 1530 he tortured and then executed
01:30:04
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Kazanci or Kazanci? I'm not sure how you say it. The Taraskan ruler of a place called Michoakan. And he was an ally of Cortez's, so that's why obviously we didn't like him, or Nuno didn't like him. Yeah.
01:30:25
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And then Nuno went on to make himself enemies in the church of several clergymen in particular, like just making enemies everywhere he goes. But he continued as governor of New Galicia until his ultimate arrest
01:30:43
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which I had to add much like Columbus.
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01:30:47
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He was also arrested after his stint in the New World. So Guzman was arrested in 1537 for treason, abuse of power, and mistreatment of the indigenous inhabitants of his territories. Yeah. Oh, really? Oh, yeah. Yeah, they did kind of care if you were like, yeah, I'm actually surprised that, yeah.
01:31:15
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right like we kind of thought like oh we thought of them as like amazing but also also they were kind of tyrants it's like well yeah maybe it was somewhere in between and we're just you know painting with a brush
01:31:30
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Um, but yeah, he was, he was actually reprimanded. Uh, he was jailed in the area for about 18 months before he was shipped back off to old Spain in shackles. So he was treated much like some of the people he enslaved and had shipped, which I thought was
01:31:47
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yeah pretty fitting um but yeah he's generally seen as very cruel and a tyrant um most of what we happen to know about him seems to come from Cortez's cronies such as a guy called Francisco Lopez de Gomara always makes me think of
01:32:10
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Marvel now. It was he who said if Nuno Nuno de Guzman had been as good a governor as he was a warrior, he would have had the best place in the Indies. But he behaved badly to both. He used the word and I word, you know, Indians, which is not the right word. She said indigenous. But, you know, that's how the quotes go. I hate it.
01:32:38
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use it so we'll just say indigenous and Spaniards. So that's what his enemy said about him and the only real accounts we have from him Guzman himself seemed to be his notes of correspondence so like his letters. Okay. So it's easy to kind of I think make him out to be a little bit of a bad guy maybe.
01:33:03
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Yeah. While often portrayed as a fan of the cruel, unusual sort of punishment, he was initially supported by the Spanish crown who, after all, sent him over. Yeah. They freaking picked him. Oh, yeah. They're like, you go over there. Cortez is getting a little bit out of hand. Like, why don't you just go see what's going on? Yeah.
01:33:31
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and yeah the actions his actions were kind of par for the course at the time using these kind of heavy-handed colonial practices shall we say which is how i like to have someone else put it yeah in there yeah um
01:33:48
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Yeah, and like you mentioned earlier, there's something to be said for history being written by the victors, sometimes being Guzman's enemies in this case, and more supporters of Cortez, who we've more heard of, so it kind of makes sense. Yeah, people like Cortez, some of his cronies, Juan de Zuma, Mega, and Vasco to Quiroga, that's probably not how you say it, but...
01:34:16
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I tried. Said Bernal Diaz de Castillo, a Cortez crony. In all the provinces of New Spain, there was not another man more foul and evil than Guzman Aponico. Foul and evil. Right? No specifics. He's just a mean girl. This enemy. Maybe.
01:34:40
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Yeah, I find it weird that they don't like specifically really seem to say much. Well, that's what I was finding. I was trying to research more like, oh, this guy's so cruel. Like, what did he do? And then like, you can't really find anything specific. Interesting. I'm sure it's out there if like so many people say something. But yeah, I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be like a record somebody's written somewhere be like,
01:35:09
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yeah yeah a little bit more specific accounts personal accounts yeah okay yeah a little bit kind of that might address that uh oh but did i say this one biographer
01:35:28
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Which like, right, this is the guy you want to do in your biography. Said he had cruelty of the highest order, ambition without limit, a refined hypocrisy, a great immorality, ingratitude without equal, and a fierce hatred for Cortez. I'm like, okay. Sounds so grandiose.
01:35:50
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right he's he's the worstest he's the bestest at being the worst oh yeah yeah but you guys lovers because you're off talking like you know everything he thinks oh my god
01:36:03
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Uh, still others disagree, especially looking back now, almost the opposite of what happened with Christopher Columbus, sort of. Uh, in my opinion, because his sort of romanticized history, um, might be considered what's called sometimes a golden legend. Um, okay. I don't think I've heard of that before. No, I don't think I had either, but it's kind of like a, it's a sugar-coated version sort of. Okay.
01:36:32
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Yeah, so I was thinking of what I would just listen to on Christopher Columbus and how apparently some of what helped translate or like get his story going was this translation by the guy who wrote Sleepy Hollow, which is so good that it came back to him to like translate it from fucking Spanish or whatever the fuck.
01:37:03
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And then like also at the same time, I think they were fighting against weird Italian stereotypes where people remember like people were like so racist against Italians in like early America and stuff. And we do try places where they're like, we don't serve Italians here or like Irish or whatever. Yeah. And so like,
01:37:22
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I was listening to the cons podcast where he's like, yeah, maybe it just had to do with the kind of resurgence of the Italian, whatever. The Sleepy Hollow author was like, oh yes, I really want this guy to look good. And I'm going to retell this Chris Columbus tale and make sure that he comes out looking awesome kind of thing. Yeah.
01:37:53
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I was like, damn, this is all that we were like, based a lot of it's like school teachings on and stuff for whatever long. Yeah, they're like, this, this, this tale is based on a sort of true story. Right, but it's more of a folktale. Yeah. It's like playing the telephone game and
01:38:16
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Everything just gets warped by time. I know, but it's a lot of what history is, in a way. Yeah, it is. All it takes is somebody leaving out a small detail every time it gets retold, and then by the end, it's nothing like it was at the beginning. Oh, totally. Oh, Gordo. I know, he's trying to roll into the laptop. I'm stopping him right now. He's laying on his back with his arms up like, eh. He's pastored.
01:38:47
Speaker
You look so floofy and soft though. I did see a video where a guy was trying to free a very tiny soft looking monkey who had his arm stuck in like a little bamboo shoot or tube or something. I don't know I was watching something else on stupid face book and then it was like watch this and I was like but I don't want to oh now I'm invested.
01:39:09
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Get that monkey out. Yeah, Instagram's always trying to get me to watch videos of stray animals getting rescued. And I was like, why is everybody recording themselves trying to save all these animals all the time? They want you on all the fucking algorithms. Yeah, it's like I have not once ever typed in to intentionally watch a single one of these videos. So fuck you're showing it to me endlessly. No, this is stressful.
01:39:38
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So on the other side of this golden legend thing exists a black legend. Did I say this? No, I was gonna say a shit legend. Yeah, basically.
01:39:54
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A black legend is one wherein the major players seem to be painted in a much worse light than necessary. Those are my words. But apparently the black legend has painted the Spanish culture with a black brush for quite some time. Even Wikipedia said the black legend or the Spanish black legend is a
01:40:22
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historiographical tendency which consists of anti-spanish and anti-catholic propaganda. It's like interesting. I mean the religious anti-freedom was hard all these centuries. Yeah I've heard before they say almost every
01:40:50
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every like culture and ethnicity basically at some point in history had at least one other culture or ethnicity that they were basically like subjugating and like using as slaves or hated or every single one of them. Every single one of them. I thought you were going to say like one of the words.
01:41:14
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No, like throughout history, almost every culture and ethnicity and something has fully hated like at least one other. Like there's always one every everybody has at least one. Yeah, well, yeah, and then some of the books I read, because you know, I love my historical books lately, to be like, well, they came to the new world and they bring their fucking
01:41:37
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same religious traumas and divisions and problems with them so like why wouldn't you have the same problems because you're still having these religious infighting and yeah that's what they and then i can't know that's what they try to come out of with the with the united states it's like a complete freedom of religion but yeah you guys did okay we're still i'm still glad to be from canada
01:42:03
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I know, I think Canada does slightly better, but not by much.
01:42:09
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No, I mean, I feel like we have less. I'm not like concerned like, oh, school shootings, like where my kid goes to school. I'm not like, oh, my God, she's going to get shot at with school. I feel like less concerned for that. But also we're like just over the border. Like we're not that different from them. No, same problems. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like we're just a little bit better maybe at separating the like church and state kind of stuff. I feel like our like religious stuff isn't quite in there other than like
01:42:38
Speaker
um like protecting somebody's like freedom of like religious practice and that kind of stuff we don't we don't have too much that's like religiously motivated like legislature or laws and that kind of stuff so well we shouldn't have to anyway you little shit just stop buddy buddy
01:43:04
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What's he doing? I saw his tail a minute ago. He keeps stretching up and ripping at the stickers and then trying to go behind the laptop and then rolling over and hitting me. You can see him right now. I have less than a page, okay buddy? Let me get through it. Fish out of water over here. It's obviously still...
01:43:31
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emerging and going on but yeah um okay one of the examples they used was it was like okay so say for example people english people emigrated to the new world for opportunity and a fresh start while if spanish people emigrated to the new world they were gold hungry and cruel kiss to doors okay yeah yeah that's how i kind of was like okay i understand what they're saying when they're like
01:43:59
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It's just a bias. You can't be doing it for the good reasons I'm doing it for. It's like a personal bias that people have.
01:44:11
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But we always seem to have against people that are, God forbid, not exactly like us. Right? Yeah. Okay, so I found a quote that said, like, here's more on the positive side of it. So, numerous Native Americans gladly received counsel from the Spaniards legal aid and spiritual guidance. So not everything that might have come to deal upon them like Spall Pox was bad.
01:44:40
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But there was a lot going on there. Yeah. It said, or sorry, this quote was also from a Medium article. The Spanish rulers put a new government into place to help the natives receive legal counsel and protection. The Spaniards wanted to make the Native Americans feel more comfortable with these new changes. So they created numerous laws to protect the rights of the Native Americans and to protect them from outside nations.
01:45:10
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Um, so it was like that. I know. It seems like they have good intentions, but then I'm like trying to unpack it all. I was like, Oh my God. It probably had a small cloth in there that was like, well, it only lasts a hundred years or something. And then it's like, and then everything goes away. What, how do you know? Like you're reading about this one person who's like, your, your beliefs, like, did you have a diary? Cause your beliefs won't be recorded. Yeah.
01:45:40
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Okay, just to get through. So they had fairly good relations in a lot of cases. I guess I said that financial growth was kind of seen on both parties when they came to play. But yeah, it definitely wasn't all bad for the Native Americans. The Native Americans, quote, received different types of refuge and counsel from the Spanish. The Spanish. The Spanish. I'm so sorry.
01:46:09
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From the spinach. I know, I was like, that just sounds like you said spinach. And spirituality was one form. A huge part of the Spanish voyage was to share their religious faith with others, and the Spanish successfully did that during this time. The majority of Spanish missionaries did not force their faith upon the natives, and in return, many natives welcomed the new faith.
01:46:36
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Many Native Americans accepted the Spaniards' faith and soon incorporated Christian practices and baptism into their own rituals." Which I just included and ended on, I guess, because you do find that where the different religions kind of meld together, like Christian, pagan, whatever, and they just kind of like adopt into a new thing as the new factions take over, I guess. Yeah.
01:47:05
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Oh my god, Gordon. Can you chill? Can you chill? He just looked at me like, no, no, I cannot. Okay, bye. I know you're frustrated. Get the fuck out. Get the fuck out. Where's where's his people usually usually from? He's a Siamese. Is he like? I don't know. They're his coloring is called Blue Point. He's so very pretty.
01:47:33
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All, all, uh, all ragdoll cats are descendant from one specific, uh, cat. No way. Yeah. And all like true ragdoll cats will only, supposedly only ever have blue eyes. Oh my god. Yeah. That seems almost supernatural. Yeah. The first cat by the blue eyes. Um, so.
01:47:58
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Yeah, and then like people- That's not a dominant trait. That's like a recessive trait. No. Usually. And then there was one girl that like owned basically the pet and had like all the breeding things and then somebody owned like the breeding rights to like
01:48:14
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Ragged all cats for a number of years. It was like a whole thing. I tried looking it up. I was like, this is fucking crazy. Oh, I bet. Yeah. It sounds interesting, but also not like a whole segment where you're like, this is what happened to domesticated this type of cat. Yeah.
01:48:31
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Yeah, but I was like, oh, I didn't enjoy it because I was like, Scordo does have blue eyes. He has the pretty light blue eyes. So like, okay. He's not a, yeah, he's a little derpy. He's not a pure rag doll, though, because his his mom was hairless. Right. His dad was the rag doll. So
01:48:52
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That's the part I always have a hard time keeping track of. Mom was a hairless, so like a sphinx? Yeah, so like Rachel has a hairless cat and then the floofiest cat had a baby and his name is Gordo and he's a little derpy. And derpy is cat. He's a little cross-eyed derpy.
01:49:14
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Didn't grow out of his I'm a child phase because they're after like three when they get fully grown They're supposed to mellow out and like rag dolls are supposed to be very chill Some of them won't even play or like need a scratching post Sometimes they won't even jump on
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01:49:29
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furniture. They're that lazy They just lay on the floor and I'm like that is not right. You're that lazy about them. I'm sorry
01:49:36
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Yeah, but it was like, oh, that's like me standing at the counter doing dishes and Gordo runs into the room and parkours off the middle of my back and then launches like 15 feet across the room onto and hits the wall, like sideways and then launches off the wall and lands on the floor and then just goes, and I'm like, what the fuck was that?
01:49:59
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God love having pets. I felt like I got hit by a truck. All of a sudden I'm just slammed against the counter. Amazing. But yeah, I'm just like, oh, when's he supposed to be out of the baby cat mind phase? I was like, oh yeah, like almost a year ago. He's definitely not going out of it. Yeah, Fen chased his tail for a very long time. That's cute.
01:50:28
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Uh, what are we doing next week? Um, parapsychology? I think? Yeah. I have pseudoscience, so... Mine won't be parapsychology related, but... It will be not science, but kind of sciency. Mine sciency, but it's debunked science, so it should be fun. We'll see you next time. Bye. Okay. Well...
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