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The Return of The Sleepover Podcast
00:00:12
Speaker
Welcome to the Sleepover Podcast. This is episode eight of Fandames. We are actually sleepy at the sleepover this episode. We are both suited. We just got out of bed, both of us independently. Although I'd love to take a little nap with you, my wife, my beautiful wife. Oh, you.
00:00:35
Speaker
Oh man, it's it's not gonna be as bad as last week or last oh, it's been like three weeks Yeah, we we do appreciate your patience for letting us take a week break We've truly been in the soup But we are dropping two episodes back to back cuz or week to week cuz we don't want to fuck up our cues
00:00:59
Speaker
Yeah. So that'll be hell for us, but it means you guys get an episode this week that you're hearing this and then the next week, the next one. Hell yeah. Lucky little bastards. But that means more work for us. Parks, what are we, what are we talking about with the sleepy sleepover?
Fan Culture and Female Leadership
00:01:15
Speaker
We're going to talk about fan fiction and women in literature, um, art dezines, fan zines, cosplay zines, um, things like that, that are mostly fan made and usually female run, um, women run.
00:01:27
Speaker
The whole shebang, you know? I've been reading a lot of comics lately and I picked up a bunch of new manga. I picked up a bunch of new graphic novels. You've been fucking cramming with comics last three months. And so it's like, may as well go over kind of everything. I mean, we already had a comic episode about the art direction, but let's focus more on the community kind of direction of fan fiction, fan ships, stuff like that.
Robin's Queer Identity in Comics
00:01:52
Speaker
Can we, before we dive too far in, we have to address the gay-ass elephant in the room that Robin is confirmed by now. Yeah. Fucking Tim Drake, fruity bro. But he, okay. So he's not confirmed by yet. He, the author had come out and said like, we don't intend for him to have a label yet.
00:02:10
Speaker
Right now we just want to know that he is comfortable with both of these feelings because he still had real feelings for Stephanie and he still has real feelings and wants to try this now but he doesn't feel himself as if it's like full bisexuality or he doesn't have basically the terminology to give himself a label. Confirmed not straight. Yes, he's queer. Confirmed queer. Very stoked. I love that. Always knew one of the Robins was a little fruity.
00:02:40
Speaker
If not all of them. Look at Dick Grayson, yeah. Almost all of them are bisexual. Without a doubt. You can't tell me anyone in the Bat family is straight, except for maybe Alfred. No, Alfred gay. You gotta be. That's true, that's true.
00:02:55
Speaker
Let's talk about, well let's lead in with this because I like to headcanon that Alfred's actually the strongest out of the entire bat family and not that he shows it but like if Jason talks back to him he'll pull out like full WWE moves and just slam dunk that fucking child. That's my favorite headcanon.
00:03:15
Speaker
This frail little man, just like, no. That's so funny. I would love to see that. Mr. Todd, have you had enough water? I brought you a glass. Fuck that, Alfred. All right, slam dunks. Exactly.
00:03:32
Speaker
Yeah, so. Fucking Bruce in the corner is like, oh, they're fighting. No, he is beat too. Cue the goddamn speaker system that's in the whole house for his little intro music. Were you, was that with you when we were in call with, I think we were watching Hush and Alfred was in it and he dropped like a tray and we were all making jokes about how he was going to get hit for it. Yes. This is all my head cannon.
Headcanon in Fanfiction
00:03:57
Speaker
uh if you're unaware to the fanfic world a head cannon is usually meaning it's from someone personally it's going to be like whoever's head that came from and it's going to be like kind of filling in a gap between the actual cannon whatever happens in the actual
00:04:14
Speaker
main storyline. Filling it in with this little personal touch that's not quite confirmed by anything but is there. That's a huge main point of fanfiction. That's what a lot of fanfiction explores are these headcanons that get to pull away from the story or you have these AU alternate universes that get to go more in-depth with characters. And the reason that you can
00:04:40
Speaker
get them more often written by women or queer people is because like we said kind of with the Ghibli episode you're more than likely going to see women and queer people putting their hands over any kind of situation that can be romanticized or artistically articulated through like the use of trauma um a little bit more nuanced and nuanced in writing things like that you're more likely to see it in this written medium compared to say
00:05:09
Speaker
movies, cartoons, stuff like that. Yeah, for sure. And I think a lot of that comes from like the lack of that kind of representation that we've been discussing over the course of the show that a lot of young girls just don't see themselves in comics. A lot of young members of the queer community have no representation themselves in animated shows or movies hardly at all unless they're at the butt of the joke.
00:05:36
Speaker
So, to be able to be involved in a community that is not only identifying similar to you, but is also creating a positive outlook on something like that or creating some sort of AU, alternate universe, where maybe you're taking these battered as fuck characters and putting them into a little comfy setting, like how coffee shop AU is and stuff, that it's
00:06:00
Speaker
It's taking it into your own hands of what kind of story you want to see someone like you represented in. And I really appreciate that. I think that's the core of fandom and the core of fanfic in general is just being able to insert yourself to some degree in the community and in the creation of these stories.
Stigma in Fanfiction Writing for Women
00:06:21
Speaker
And that's where fanfic is. And then also, horny. Those are your two sides of fanfic.
00:06:31
Speaker
I don't want to talk about the sound of too targeted. It's like fanfic is also a really difficult kind of feel to navigate as both a writer and a consumer. Because I mean, I'm gonna be real, I've been writing fanfiction for probably since my Italian days. Even prior to that, I used to think I was an author since I was in fifth grade. And so it's been a long fucking time and I stopped to do
00:06:59
Speaker
Because I just, I stopped to do fanfiction because it meant I could deal with established characters and kind of build my writing off of something that was already there. And you mentioned that to someone now, like I still do writing, I still do fanfiction writing, I have published work in zines. But like the minute you say it's like, Oh, I write fanfiction, people just immediately discredit you. You're not a real author. It's happened to me like in the last few months. Like, why? Why? Just because I'm like,
00:07:26
Speaker
Because it's not like my own original world, which I mean is completely neglecting the whole part that I do my own writing on the side. It's just like they hear fan fiction and immediately tune out. They don't really care about what else there is to offer. You know what I mean? Yeah. And it's really frustrating to hear that argument. And if you're listening to this and you're of that mindset or you used to retain that mindset, I want to
00:07:50
Speaker
offer you something that was told to me when I was in high school, which is Paradise Lost is just self-insert Bible fanfiction, and so is most Renaissance art. It's all self-insert biblical fan art. If you're unaware of the artistic history of it all, people would pay very well-known artists, namely for
00:08:17
Speaker
very easy accessibility. Leonardo da Vinci, for example, they'd pay da Vinci to paint in themselves in famous biblical scenes. So it's quite literally draw my fucking OC in this story. He knew Jesus. I want to meet the Goku of religion.
00:08:39
Speaker
guess what it is this that's not i'm not making a joke i'm not i'm not exaggerating that is 100 what it is so if you have that mindset i hope you can laugh at yourself for a second and join us in the fanfic soup because holy shit it's a lot of fun and people should stop discrediting artists and authors for doing that because
00:09:02
Speaker
I don't do you think it's any different than like writing or drawing normally do you think I use a special paintbrush when I want to get out and draw some fan art no bitch just the same fucking technique well the only thing okay I can say writing fan fiction has a taught me how to adapt because my canon is always changing I've been writing Lux from League of Legends for
00:09:22
Speaker
six years and her
Adaptability and Character Development in Fanfiction
00:09:24
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story is always fucking changing. She got a full comic. I was just lucky and everything I had written for her, unestablished from the game stories we already had, her voice lines, stuff like that, I was pretty fucking close to what her canon already was while already being able to put my hand on it.
00:09:38
Speaker
So I was lucky, but I've always had to adapt because we don't have control over what those characters are. We have to have another level of articulation and understanding because we need to kind of break down the pieces we need to get what we need to personally write. It's not like I get a fresh slate to clean off of when I'm writing my own stuff, which can be helpful. That's why a lot of people choose to do it. That's why a lot of people choose solo fix. It doesn't have to be a ship for just a character's writing point.
00:10:05
Speaker
just so they can explore a theme that they want to have seen without really influencing it with their own original characters in their original world and say this concept you want to explore doesn't fit into the rules of your world. Say if you want to do dystopian stuff or any sort of high fantasy, you're not going to be able to have those breaches.
00:10:28
Speaker
You're, why are we putting like a judgment on people for trying to better their writing ability? Because that's what it is. You're further articulating ideas. You're gathering rules. You're able to take pieces of this finer media you're analyzing when you're writing these fan fictions. And you're bettering yourself so that when you do return back to your project like I do, I feel much better as a writer myself and I feel a lot better influenced by the media that I'm picking up. Like why do we need to put some shit on it?
00:10:57
Speaker
Yeah, I this you reminded me of an article that I read recently that was written by a friend of the show Reagan. Her Twitter is at rhymes with
00:11:09
Speaker
Is it Picard? Is it Picard? How do you pronounce it? Picard. Picard. Okay, rhymes with Picard. She's a phenomenal writer. She's a part of Gatecrasher's pod. And she recently put out an article that was ending the discussion of why Rey from Star Wars is not a Mary Sue. And this term originates in
00:11:32
Speaker
fan fiction critical uh readers so it's people that are saying oh you wrote this character and she's a lady and she's really fucking strong so obviously this breaks all the rules of the canon and you can't have her and she's a shitty character bro it's just you're learning how to adapt into a story you're learning as a as an artist and as a creator how to understand the rules of the world in which you love to live in
Mary Sue Criticism and Star Wars
00:11:59
Speaker
and you love to dwell in, well, what if I did this? What if this happened? What if these characters interacted? It's not a bad word. Fanfiction isn't a bad word. Mary Sue isn't a bad word. Just fucking stop. Just reminded me of that. You're back now. I heard that whole thing. It was just low robotic. Luckily, you're recording your own audio.
00:12:24
Speaker
And I'm not gonna say this, I've been in the Tumblr roleplay community for a very, very long time. I've seen a lot of original characters. Mary Sue is a real fucking thing. There is such a thing as too fucking much. But Ray is not one of them. Just because she's a female character you do not like does not make her a Mary Sue.
00:12:49
Speaker
But to be honest, I've seen more men riding Mary Sues than I've ever seen like women. So that's fucking ironic considering most men who make OCs are making a version of themselves they wanna see most. So we're gonna criticize women characters for being like real women, like having problems and being strong and working through it. It's always a thing of like, Mary Sue, like what? It's been explained and like properly
00:13:18
Speaker
Articulate I keep saying articulated a lot but it's the easiest way to kind of explain everything but it's been like clearly shown how she got this power it's clearly shown why she got to that point like Just because you don't like it doesn't mean that
00:13:33
Speaker
It's this way if you really want to talk about Mary Sue's especially in like the Star Wars universe I think Regan mentions this Luke is a complete self-insert Yeah And he picks up like using the force overnight Like it's not that big of a training period that he's actually like with Yoda doing stuff. It's just like I did it Okay
00:13:59
Speaker
I'm saying this shit as a Star Wars fan. I understand that supposedly with the Skywalker line, it gets stronger with each generation, whatever. That's fine. It's the rules of the world. I don't give a shit. I care that this weird criticism of fan artists and fan authors has carried since the inception of mainstream fan fiction.
00:14:22
Speaker
Which dates back to the 60s with Star Trek fanzines and Star Trek writers with the fucking... What is it? What is the ship name? I cannot remember. I don't remember the ship name. I don't know. It's something and I do not remember it. People really want them to kiss though.
00:14:45
Speaker
Yeah, and that's literally the origin of the term slash Vic because it's Kirk slash Spock. Like that's the whole gimmick. And to wrestle with not only this side of people that like just hate the fact that you're creating anything because it's fan related and also like struggling with trying to learn these skills, learn the techniques. And usually it's young authors. Mary Sues are usually written by kids that are like 13 or 40 year old men.
00:15:15
Speaker
or 40-year-old men. But the concept of a Mary Sue in general and how the internet's adapted to it, it's usually young artists that are just starting out that are like, hey, this is my OC. She's got pink hair and wears a plaid skirt and carries around a scythe. And yes, I'm calling myself out.
00:15:32
Speaker
That's just how the shit is. But you shouldn't, we shouldn't attack people for it. And I really did not think I would come out of the gate swinging this hard when we started this recording. We went from drowsy to mad. I have such a soft spot for fan creators, so I'm just glad. I'm just vomiting all my criticism. Listen to this bullshit for too long. You just want to draw Jason's titties.
00:15:58
Speaker
facts. You know this because you've read it. I've written a lot of J. Cara porn. That's a normal stuff, not just porn, but like, who cares? You know, like, why? Why does that affect you? No one sees it. Like the only people who can see it are my ship partner that I write it with. And you. So why does the fact that like, I've written porn before
00:16:21
Speaker
make me less of an author. Like, I'm sorry, I know more words to say vagina than you do. Like, what, why? What's the disconnect? I mean, most popular shit nowadays is from a fanfic origin. Fifty Shades of Grey, as everybody knows, is a Twilight fanfic origin. The fucking Mortal Instruments series is Harry Potter incest fanfic. Like, oh my God. Well, technically also, Twilight is MCR fanfiction.
00:16:49
Speaker
That's right, I forgot about that! It's a three-way accession. Have you seen the meme of the guy with the dominoes and the really big wood planks and whatever? And it says, like, 9-11 happening, and then it's, like, 50 Shades of Grey. Yeah, because everything that... everything Gerard Way did was because he was sad about 9-11. But also, the Imprella Academy is also a part of the 9-11 dominoes.
00:17:18
Speaker
Oh my god, it's full fucking circle. Holy shit. Everything is 9-11's fault. Gerhard Way, if you're listening to this, I would love to interview you. I've been a fan of your work for so long. I know you're not listening, but this is just,
Historical Fan Art and Fanfiction
00:17:30
Speaker
you know. Gerhard Way, if you're listening to this, why do you keep trying to make like the two kind of sibling characters fuck in Umbrella Academy? It's really weird.
00:17:39
Speaker
We're not criticizing, we just have questions. We just have questions. Like I know they're not siblings, but it's kind of established that they are because Klaus calls them like brothers and sisters. So why are you trying to make them fuck? Thank you. Hey, okay, complete sidebar that you just reminded me this, and maybe I'll only leave this in for patrons, but like,
00:17:59
Speaker
So this is total, total tangent that you just made me think of. You know how like in Christianity, they refer to everybody as brothers and sisters in Christ? Why do we say that? And then we're like, go forth and fucking procreate and create more children because we tell you every Sunday, you're siblings. What the fuck? I was kind of thinking about that earlier. I was like, if Adam and Eve are real, how the fuck they get like to Europe?
00:18:25
Speaker
Yo, okay, seriously, in the Bible, I genuinely cannot, because it's been a minute since I've read it, don't criticize me. I don't know where the fuck their son's wives come from, because they did not have daughters. No, they just had, like, girls. They just had Cain and Abel. The only reason I was thinking about this was because the podcast I was listening to, like, the episode today, like, they thought, like, that was their slogan was like, we're the place that Adam, like, we're the real garden, like, no, bro.
00:18:55
Speaker
I don't think they would put it in a panhandle in Florida. It's a panhandle town in Florida. Thank you. God touches Florida ever. Absolutely not. I've been there and it feels like the devil's asshole. It's not God territory.
00:19:18
Speaker
So where did you get this lady from first of all? And then where did you get more guys? Where'd you get more dudes? I think they had already had kids by the time he murdered his brother. I don't fucking remember. Also, Darren Aronofsky's movie, Mother, straight up biblical fan fiction. It's full fucking circle and I will continue to point it out. I think technically you can argue that Rosemary's Baby is also a biblical fan fiction.
00:19:45
Speaker
Yes, it is canon divergent biblical fan fiction. Every single paranormal movie you've ever seen is a Bible fan fiction. All the conjuring movies, definitely Bible fan fiction. This is Bible propaganda, and I'm kind of mad that I enjoyed the first two without noticing. Yeah, I just didn't know. Well, you can enjoy them as movies, but you don't realize like, oh, wait a minute. This is a chokehold of religion.
00:20:13
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, also, at least for me personally, I am a believer in ghosts, but I'm also religious. So I guess the more correct term, in my opinion, would be a person of faith. I got beef with the concept of religion. But like, so to me, I'm like, yeah, this checks out. I fear anything that isn't human. Which is weird, but it's probably because you want to fuck slashers so you're not really scared of them.
00:20:43
Speaker
We did not have to bring up the monster fucker thing again. Yeah, we did. This is fan names.
Originality in Ideas
00:20:49
Speaker
But yeah, there's no such thing as a creative idea. There's no new ideas anymore. Everything has been pretty regurgitated. Humans have been on this earth for a whole bit. You can only rewrite the Bible 20 million times before it gets switched. Everything is derivative, bitch. Let's go get you some fruit. That's it. Stop. Hold on. Wait. Let me send a text about fruit.
00:21:11
Speaker
Yeah, what are you sending it to? Who are you texting? Texting Maddy. Maddy, do we still have cantaloupe? Oh my god. Cantaloupe just sounds kind of coming right now. Fuck. Anyways, you want to talk about the citrus scale while I got us on the topic of fruit?
00:21:31
Speaker
Or is that a little early? We're talking about porn and how everything is derivative and true. Well, yeah, let's dip our toes in a little more first. So for those that are listening that are not familiar with accessing fan fiction or maybe you're newer or you're younger and you just read fan fiction on Twitter threads or you read it on Archive of Our Own, which is shortened to AO3. People do that show on Twitter threads?
00:21:59
Speaker
Are you not? Hello? Where have you been? Dead, obviously. I read fanfiction, so my place is where fanfiction.net, which I think closed. You can't upload anymore, I think. I don't think you can upload, but you can still access. Yeah, the archive is still there. So fanfiction.net Wattpad was one big one for fanfiction. Tumblr was one good one for fanfiction. And Dojans, which are just fanfiction, but art. Archive of our own and DeviantArt.
00:22:30
Speaker
Yes, Stevie and Art was one that I used as well. But it's really common now for people to essentially screen or beta test a fanfic on Twitter. So they'll write it out, and then they'll break it down into a series of tweets and then say, if you like this, I'll continue it. Or, hey, this is the first three chapters. I continue it on my AO3. Here's the link.
00:22:52
Speaker
That being said, there are actual fanfic authors that post a lot of their stuff on AO3 that I follow that have written like a thousand tweet long threads because they're like, it's on Twitter. I don't want to move it. Here you go. Yeah, that's what I thought you meant. I've seen screenshots of people because I've done that with my own fan fictions before when I put them up. But like I didn't. I thought you meant like full Twitter threat girl.
00:23:16
Speaker
Yeah, that's how they break the whole fanfic down into threads. So people just bookmark it and they read it. I mean, it's a good way to track engagement. You can track the insights on your individual tweets. You can have polls like say, what do you guys want to have next? Here's the scene possibility. And then readers can choose. That's too much effort.
00:23:36
Speaker
I do enjoy that but part of me misses going on fanfiction.net and sifting through all the bullshit and having to like zoom in on my web browser because the font was too fucking tiny and be like Kingdom Hearts fanfiction. I was like 13. So was Kingdom Hearts the first fanfiction you've ever read or written? No that was Inuyasha.
00:24:05
Speaker
I've already told you mine, I think, so I'm like... Say it again, I don't remember. I'll bleep it out if you want me to. You don't have to. This was before my Italian face. I was reading and writing Hunger Games, Pita Katniss-born. I don't know if you told me that. Yeah, I think it's still up there because I don't know my fanfic.net account, but it's not any username that I've used before, so it's not like you'll find it.
Evolution of Fanfiction Formats
00:24:34
Speaker
Dang, that's amazing. I don't think I've ever posted the fanfic there. Oh, I did. I'm not a pussy. I emailed it to my god sister and she would write one and would email it back and forth and that's how we did fanfic. That's how old I am. We just emailed shit back and forth. Another small sidebar. I saw a recent discourse, quote unquote, on Twitter of people
00:25:03
Speaker
younger fanfic writers and readers, arguing with older fanfic writers and readers about if printing out fanfic posted on FF.net or AO3 was incorrect or rude to the artist or author or whatever the fuck. And all of these women that are like 35, 40, showed up out of the woodwork and like, you do not understand that I used my school's copier
00:25:30
Speaker
to print out a hundred pages of Star Trek fanfiction in 1992 and put it in a three-ring binder so I could read it in between my classes. Like, you don't get it. I had a binder and the number one, it was always just so I could not read it. I didn't have a phone. I was in middle school, bro. I got like a tablet that doesn't have Wi-Fi. I need to read. And I don't want to read books anymore. I want to read porn. And I had a fan fiction called Whiskey Lullaby, like the song.
00:25:58
Speaker
That was Spamano fanfiction. I had it laminated. I laminated it at school.
00:26:04
Speaker
And I would keep it in my binder and just be reading it in class. It wasn't porn. It was pretty sad, actually. It was about suicide. But still, I've been reading it a lot. I remember that my friends and I would write fanfiction in class on college-ruled notebook paper and staple it together and pass it back and forth. And we'd be like, hey, read this new chapter. We would make threads. So the same role playing I do now, but instead, it would be one sentence on a notebook paper, fold it up in half, and smack it across the table. And we'd pass it.
00:26:32
Speaker
Because so my middle school was a Salta program school. So it was very, very, very slight look, a tight knit when you were in those Salta classes, the MIP, IB program stuff. And what the fuck did you just say? What are you saying to me? Salt programs? Salta. So what is that? It's a I don't even remember the fucking acronym anymore. But do you know what International Black Baccalaureate is, IB program? Baccalaureate? Baccalaureate, yeah. No, I don't.
00:27:01
Speaker
It's a, it's basically kind of like a advanced college program, except you excel more in service community. And it's just an enriched class. You're basically just learning everything faster. It's for usually like the smarter, organized kids that don't like gifted kid classes. Oh, okay. So like enrichment, like stuff. Okay. So, but
00:27:23
Speaker
We were all kind of the same group, so we would just get swapped back and forth. So me and this girl had a lot of classes. We do not talk now for obvious reasons. But we would just be passing. And we got like 20 threads. And so we would just have these thick fucking fold over pieces of paper and just smash them back and forth and then like throw them away. Or I think she kept them for a while and then would type them up and then throw them. Because we would adapt to Google Drive.
00:27:48
Speaker
But then one of us would have to get on our tablet or the school computer before class in the morning, write down where we left off, and then go put it back on the paper so we can start again. Oh my God. I remember I used to, with my stupid little phone that could slide sideways, then slide up. It was black and purple lined. God, I missed that phone.
00:28:12
Speaker
roleplay back and forth with friends over text. And it would be like, hey, I watched this new episode of Yasha, let's fucking roleplay. Or like, I just started watching Naruto, let's fucking roleplay. That's just me with my Discord. That was my introduction to roleplay. And I had a lot of fun. I had a couple of friends that were really into it. I had one
00:28:32
Speaker
friend question mark. I found out later she bullied me, but like it's fine. Uh, that was obsessed with Pandora hearts in particular. And so she would like only role-play Pandora hearts. So I thought it was really funny. Hold on. Sorry. Breaking news. Jamie Spears says he intends to step down as conservator to Britney Spears. Yes, I saw. Sorry. I just wanted to make sure I just want to make sure that was established. Go fan. Fandames wants to free Britney with Britney Spears.
00:29:01
Speaker
Factual. Also, we stand with the Blizzard employees that are demanding change and those that have experienced harassment and assault. So my mindset is also like for every individual that's named in this lawsuit, there's probably three or four
00:29:17
Speaker
just standard employees that perpetuate this kind of environment that aren't named or that maybe haven't even truly been brought to light because that's just how these kinds of environments fester. So anyways, Fandame stands with Blizzard employees demanding change. Yes. Yeah. We stand with everyone fucking wanting change and freedom from the situations. Um, that's what fanfiction is about too. Wow. Full circle. We're on the back. Full mother fucking circle. Full mother fucking circle.
00:29:47
Speaker
more fanfic history for youngins or for people who just like did not read the porn part of fanfic. We have to talk about the citrus scale you mentioned it earlier.
Citrus Scale and Intimacy Levels
00:29:59
Speaker
And we have to talk about it. I'm gonna mostly because you're gonna have to add my keyboard. I'm sorry, I'm interrupting you here to add my keyboard because I'm gonna go see if I can check down my first lemons for you.
00:30:09
Speaker
Okay. History repeats itself, especially in online spaces. History is repeating itself much faster than what we've seen. Historically, trends repeat every 20 years. Fan works in the context of remakes in entertainment and film and TV shows, that kind of stuff. That resurfaces every 10 or 15 years, maybe longer.
00:30:36
Speaker
Uh, for whatever reason, mainly anime fans, but just fanfic or fan art communities have latched on to the previous concept of the citrus scale, which operated
00:30:53
Speaker
I think from like the early 90s until about 2010 is its popularity. And now we have the very black and white blanket terms of anti's or pro shippers. And it's gotten very polarized, so we're gonna learn you some shit. The Citrus Scale historically with fanfiction refers to a level of intimacy or sex involved in that fanfic
00:31:23
Speaker
I didn't really see it applied to fan art much. If it was, it was like, tagged as lemon. Don't look if you don't like it, that kind of thing. Or the very famous catchphrase, don't like, don't read. It's also very heavily associated with lemons on the citrus scale. So the citrus scale itself goes from, oh shit, what is this fruit? I don't know this fruit, I'm stupid. Was that an apple? Which fruit reposted in here real quick?
00:31:53
Speaker
Is it episode resources, my love? I'm having to click back and forth. Okay, hold on, hold on, hold on. I got it, I got it, I got it. Okay. Is that an apple? I'm stupid. The citrus? Yeah. Or is it just citrus? I think it's fake citrus. It doesn't look like an apple. Okay, so we start with just the term citrus, which is used to describe mild interactions, romantic hugs, kiss on the cheek, what's more commonly referred to as fluff fanfic, where it's much more of a
00:32:23
Speaker
like high school romance, very idealized, almost childlike concept of what romance is or what a relationship might be. Very innocent, very like family friendly, if you will, even though please don't read Fanfic with your family. We go up to orange, which is used for kissing hugs.
00:32:44
Speaker
maybe heavy petting to some extent, but nothing that's like too overt, probably approaching a teen rating like a PG-13 or a rated T.
00:32:55
Speaker
We go up to Lyme, which is further into sexual heavy making out, possibly like groping. Some have them, some might qualify for hinting at something that's beyond that. So kind of like in a movie where they're making out and they're like, I'm ready, fade to black. And then like you realize, oh, they had sex. Like that kind of thing might be incorporated into a Lyme fanfic. Lemon is the most referred to term, which is explicit sex or sexual activity in any way.
00:33:25
Speaker
Um, and lemons can be short in nature. They can be long in nature. It's often also tagged as like porn with plot or what have you, but historically it was like all caps bolded at the beginning of a fanfic. This is a lemon, nothing else. And lemon is also a term used for like, if something's a dud, like if a car is a lemon, it means it's, uh, maintenance fucked something up whenever they were doing final checks and then it made it to, um,
00:33:55
Speaker
a seller when it shouldn't have. So imagine young Nebula in the South learning about cars while also reading fanfiction and being like, what the fuck does lemon mean? I don't understand. I just roughed it. I assumed if it was porn, it was lemons.
00:34:11
Speaker
Oh, my God. The term that I actually learned about recently is grapefruit, which is a very occasionally used citrus, which I mean, I didn't fucking hear about it until 2020. So it makes sense. It's generally said to be like super X rated or really bizarre, cake heavy lemons. It's not widely used, but it can be
00:34:39
Speaker
discouraged from inclusion of the citrus scale just because it's not super accepted as a canonical citrus, if you will. But I think it's also fair to mention because some people, especially older writers, do still use the term here and there. But I didn't even fucking know about it until this year. All I knew was lemon and lime when I was younger.
00:35:02
Speaker
Um, so I can't find my fan fiction because I deactivated my deviant or out of shame, but I did find, um, an OC sheet.
Embarrassing Past Fanfiction Characters
00:35:11
Speaker
Oh, hell yeah. For when did I make this? Okay. This last edit was on October 8th, 2014. The character's name was Naomi. Already off to a great start.
00:35:22
Speaker
Wonderful. She's bisexual. Oh, wait. She's 15. Uh-oh. How old? You were 14, though, right? Yeah. She was 5'9". I was taller than this. It was in the full self-insert. Her weight was 136, which is more than I weigh, so it's not me. Her friends listed are Ashlyn, Sarah, and Gordon. That's like? It's my 15-year-old friend named Gordon.
00:35:53
Speaker
That just makes me think of Lizzie McGuire. Lizzie McGuire ended like seven years before this, just so you know. Yeah, and it's still formative. No, I know, I know. I'm just saying like, this was not an influence. She has no siblings. Her favorite color is forest green. Oh, her mood is sundera. She's funny when drunk, but she's also 15. So I didn't think that one out.
00:36:17
Speaker
She's hyper and crazy and easy to anger, not open when it comes to relationships in public, but willing alone, secretly sweet, which is just what us under is. So I just repeated that like four times. Um, her hobbies are reading, drawing, writing, gaming, singing, skateboarding, and talking. Talking is a hobby. Yep. Like snow, coffee, sick jokes, music, dancing, being cute, cheese, spicy food. Uh-huh.
00:36:45
Speaker
What is, can you explain sick jokes? You know. You talking anti jokes? Dead baby jokes? What's going on here? Both.
00:36:55
Speaker
Ah, beautiful. So she's the average South Park viewer is what I'm hearing. I broke her. When I was younger, I remember I followed all these artists on DeviantArt and then like randomly one day one of the artists that I followed for, I guess they were like an anime fan artist or maybe a Kingdom Hearts fan artist or something.
Surprise Fan Art Discoveries
00:37:17
Speaker
They just started posting South Park ship art and I was like, what the fuck is this shit? And then that became the only thing they drew. No. It's my great advice. Cringe. Also, hold on, let me get through these dislikes really quick.
00:37:35
Speaker
There's more I didn't know yeah, they dislike she dislikes being ignored being in the background being alone all these things are the same thing being yelled at sports and candy corn I resonate with all of that just the dislikes nothing else
00:37:55
Speaker
Fuck candy corn. You don't like sick jokes, bro? No, not particularly. Unless it's making fun of my own trauma, in which case, cheers. Cheers. I didn't know what to write. I was not. Yeah, so I don't have written porn anymore. I can see the life draining from your face as you read through this. As I read this, I found this that I wrote in, this was last modified in 2013, but I was writing it in fifth grade.
00:38:23
Speaker
Um, I can tell cause I know who the boyfriends were based off of cause it was my actual boyfriend at the time. So this is like 2010, 11 is when this was actually written and it's not good. Maybe we'll read it in a Patreon episode after this episode. Oh my God. It's 13 pages, double spaced and not good. It took you three years to write 13 pages. No, I wrote it all in basically like two months. But you said it was last edited in 2013. Because I had to adapt it.
00:38:55
Speaker
Yeah, this has gone through Google Drive, it's gone through a literal USB, and now it's on Dropbox where I will never lose it again. Not that I need to touch it, but I have it. But you sure have it. I sure fucking have it. Oh my God.
00:39:13
Speaker
Yeah, so that's what I did. Unfortunately, really cringe. But it's just weird. It's there's always going to be like a stigma around like fan fiction and women specifically. And it probably is because fan fiction as a mainstream like topic kind of came when we started these Star Trek fanzines, which were all started by women in the Star Trek community, which Star Trek community had like this really, really good treatment of like how women were able to interact in it like
00:39:43
Speaker
It was one of the ones at the time where women were allowed to be in the scene without being harshly criticized and gate-kept, you know what I mean? Other people were seeing women writing slashfic and they were like, fuck that. Boys don't kiss. Women are stupid. Fuck that. You're like, bruh. I honestly believe that the stigma around fan fiction, particularly with female creators,
00:40:07
Speaker
is like, it's just an extension of historical, when in hysteria kind of deal, you know? It's very much, if we let the women read books, they're gonna revolt and they're gonna leave their husbands, like that's all. That's true though, that's so true Bestie. Consider me out.
00:40:29
Speaker
It's just, it's so wild to me that we still as a society have not moved past the concept of, you know, literature is just an artistic form for people. And if women like the sexy vampire in Dracula, that's fine. They're not gonna leave their husbands, bro. You think this woman in the 1800s has ever had an orgasm in her life? Absolutely not. Let her read Dracula.
00:40:56
Speaker
Damn, got him, bro, for real. That was the most, like, what is the word that I am searching for? Just pity response. Yeah, you're so right, though. I just saw a picture of Christian. We're not talking about that. No, no, I just saw a picture of him, though, and it really caught me off guard. It's why I stopped talking for a second because I just... It's Benjamin Franklin as Christian.
00:41:25
Speaker
Oh my God. Let's talk about 2Ps. We already have at a different episode. I thought we talked about 2P Hetalia, but not about the influence in fanfiction and how that created a lot of triggering content that wasn't nuanced or triggered or tagged in any way back in the day.
Impact of 2P Hetalia and Content Warnings
00:41:43
Speaker
We have discussed that some, but you're welcome to talk about it again.
00:41:47
Speaker
Well, I just basically kind of did. 2P was the, as we've said in the Hetalia episode specifically, was a second player kind of concept. Like when you're playing fighting games and you guys play the same character, usually the second player will be a different color.
00:42:02
Speaker
different version. It's all of an alternate universe where they're like the polar opposite. And when this came out, I can't even remember what fandom started it, but it was a thing. And a lot of the time it was more like you have Yandere characters who are all violent. It's mostly all violent in some way because the normal characters aren't even though like in the Natalia fandom you have Nazi Germany, so I don't know.
00:42:28
Speaker
And also Russia who just like walks around with a knife all the time and a pipe and literally beats people in the episode in Episodes like he beats people you're like
00:42:39
Speaker
Ah, so yeah, but when 2P fandom stuff came out, it was like, there wasn't any nuance because it was all children writing it, so they would be writing like intense like, violence with no tags to just be there and you're like, damn, y'all motherfuckers do not know a single thing about trauma, huh? You're just saying it with your whole chest, like there is no nuance, this is clear of like, murder fetish porn and nothing else around it, kind of weird, kind of sus.
00:43:07
Speaker
That reminds me of the fanfic that was like super popular on YouTube, I think. The fucking My Little Pony torture porn one. Do you remember this? The fucking what? You don't know? Oh my god. Okay, so when I was... I have to do the math.
00:43:32
Speaker
maybe 12, maybe 12 or 13. It was like right as Bronies started to become really popular and there was this
00:43:42
Speaker
Fluttershy torture porn. It was like Pinkie Pie Fluttershy torture porn that someone wrote and then someone else like not quite animated but like drew scenes of and put it on YouTube. It might have originated on Newgrounds. I don't remember the exact source. I just remember that I found it on YouTube once and it's like horrible. You know, do you know the anime Higurashi when they cry? Yeah.
00:44:08
Speaker
I didn't watch it, but I've seen of it. But you know how brutal that is. There's a scene where a girl puts a knife hilt on a wall and smashes her head into the blade. That's how brutal and gore-filled it is. And that is exactly how this fan fiction was. It was disgusting. I cannot describe it without having to put on million trigger warnings because it is whole bad. And I can't believe you've never fucking heard of it. Yeah.
00:44:37
Speaker
For the anime or for the My Little Pony bit? For the My Little Pony bit, hold on, I'm gonna see if I can find it really fast. Pinkie Pie. I can't believe I have to put this on my fucking Google search history. Torture fanfiction. Okay, it originated in 2014. I kind of hate that this does not like...
00:45:03
Speaker
This does not ring a bell. Oh my God. Okay. I found the fanfic.net link to it. I think it's called the torture of a lifetime is the series. You found the link? Yeah, I will. I would have to like actually fucking read it to remember which one it is. Okay. Wait, what was it called again? Wait, no, I think it's this one. Hold on. You send it to me and we'll do a live reaction on the pod.
00:45:33
Speaker
Okay, okay. Copy. So what I'm realizing is actually that this fanfic that became popular started an entire subgenre of My Little Pony fanfic. No pony. No pony. This is so horrible.
00:45:58
Speaker
I'm related. Did you know that in the canon like aftermath of MLP? Rainbow Dash and Applejack are like married. That's so fucking cute. Did you receive like the art though and the memes where it's like every time you call Rainbow Jack a lesbian, a baby cries?
00:46:16
Speaker
No, okay. I found it for real. I found it for real. It's called cupcakes. That's what it is Okay, wait, this might be more familiar cuz I think there was a 2p England cuz England also had a thing for cupcakes cuz he was able to bake now in 2p Okay, there's the TV tropes list to it. I'm going to read this off live for the pod Not the actual story just a discussion of it
00:46:37
Speaker
Cupcakes is a dark and extremely gory, dark fic of My Little Pony Friendship is Magic by Sergeant Sprinkles. Plot synopsis, Pinkie Pie and Bites Rainbow Dash to her bakery offers her a cupcake. Rainbow Dash discovers too late that the cupcake was drugged, and she wakes up sometime later, strapped to a table in a darkened room, decorated up like a party, but in the place of streamers and balloons, are blood, bones, and body parts.
00:46:58
Speaker
And it gets worse from there and it's all torture porn and somebody animated it and it haunts me to this day and I cannot believe you hadn't heard of it. The fic is so notorious that Equestria Daily deleted its post about it but there's still an archived version of it in its WordPress site. I found it. You found it?
00:47:21
Speaker
Oh, I found it. Yeah, there it fucking is. Oh, my God. Yeah, it looks like this one is a second follow up. I don't know if it's written by the same person, though. I don't think it's written by the same person. I think this is an independent follow up written by someone else. Oh, OK, wait. I think I found the animation for it. And also supposedly he the person that worked on it was a former Hasbro animator.
00:47:51
Speaker
Yup, this is- oh. Oh my god. Here, it's- it's three minutes long and you're gonna watch it right now and react to it, please. Here, let's- I'm gonna stream this shit. Okay. We're gonna watch it together. This is a wild- It contains our arousal? I told you it's torture porn! Like, full porn? Oh my god. It's on YouTube, still! It's snuff porn, bro. Okay.
00:48:20
Speaker
This might not, like, stun me visually. Yeah, I've seen this. You have? Okay. I think I've seen at least, like, a reference to it before. I don't think I've seen the full thing. Yeah, it's, uh, bad. It's purposely very visually, like, fast. Because it's trying to disarm you. Yeah, it's... Oh my god. I used to watch Happy Tree Friends, and this still fucks with me, you know? I just don't like how visually fast it is.
00:48:50
Speaker
Yeah, it's very, let's go. Oh, she's got a chainsaw. There's a rainbow sticker on it. It just hurts my eyes. I know, right? Like maybe I'm desensitized to like gore, but like it just hurts my eyes. It's very brightly colored and they're moving. Oh shit, they took her wings off. And now they're dancing and Rainbow Dash doesn't have wings anymore. Like, what the fuck? Yeah, so.
00:49:18
Speaker
This is a thing that you can all go watch. I'm assuming it's not done. On YouTube? There's more. There is. Unfortunately. Oh, yeah, this is what I remember. Oh, man. She's like strapped to a table now. There's a fucking table saw hanging above her. I don't like their human teeth animated. I don't don't give the horses human teeth. Yeah, I don't like the human teeth. Yep.
00:49:43
Speaker
I did not want to talk about this out loud, but I distinctly remember this scene. Jesus Christ. Rainbow Dash's face, bro, what the fuck? I love the Suicide Squad soundtrack. Time to go back to the cooking show. I love Hannibal. I love animated Hannibal for children. Oh yeah, and then when they're dancing, you can see Rainbow Dash's stomach is sewn back up. She's also skinnier.
00:50:12
Speaker
Yeah, she just has no guts. Oh man. This is terrible. Yup. And not even like terribly like it's like bad. Cause this is probably coming out at the same time as like, don't hunt me, I'm scared and stuff where. What is this? Yeah, it came out in 2012. We're not going to keep watching shit. No, we're not, but that's the follow up I'm assuming to this one.
00:50:34
Speaker
I don't remember and I'm now going to block it out of my memory yet again after we've had this experience together because oh my god what what are you reading now this isn't even the real one it's just boring it's like she goes to prison but it turns out she was frame oh yeah my little phony yeah yeah there's that one too that's the one you sent yeah stupid this whole thing kind of no no what
00:51:03
Speaker
I thought you're calling me stupid for sending the wrong one. No, no, I just think that like maybe murder porn is stupid Because it's not like well written or anything. There's no point to it It's just like they die like okay, but you could do this so much better and make it like interesting I'm reading a book right now called pretty girls if you've heard about it. You've told me enough about it, but I
00:51:25
Speaker
It's intense. I'm not going to go into detail, but it's essentially, it's murder porn. It's literally about this woman whose husband gets killed. And while she's going through his stuff, because he's an architect, she needs to send files to his coworker because he's dead and they need to get all of this out. So she goes through his computer and she finds a folder of snuff porn, like violent snuff porn. I'm not going to tell you exactly what happens because it's triggering, but it's described on the thing and you're like, damn,
00:51:54
Speaker
well there's no nuance but it's written and given in such a way where it's like notably like this is repulsing like it's not like a ha ha funny it's like there's an actual purpose to it and so it's like
00:52:10
Speaker
I'm into like murder, gore porn, for the most part, not like sexually or something I want to interact. But like, you know what I mean? It's visually interesting for me to read. I've written it personally, I've written like self harm personally. But when you see people do it like this, where it's purely shock value, it's like, okay, this is cool. Like funny, you did it for a second. Congratulations, like move on, you know.
00:52:32
Speaker
Yeah, it's one thing to experience or to create a form of art, be that written or visual or whatever, that's exploring your own shit.
00:52:46
Speaker
have a history of trauma. If I want to make something about that, then that's my own prerogative. That's my own shit. If I want to make something that other people might not like, but it's because I'm expressing and working through my own trauma, then cool. As long as it isn't actually inciting violence against someone or myself, everything's good. Don't fucking jump down people's throats about it. But if you're only doing it to create a disgusted shock value reaction, fuck you.
00:53:12
Speaker
Yeah, you're just kind of you're just kind of scummy and I mean that was a lot of new grounds content was back in the day Like I can compare it that one to like don't hug me. I'm scared had an artistic kind of Point to it rather than just like ha ha get it kid character kill stuff. Happy tree friends was just kid character kill stuff funny Like okay. Well, we beat this dead horse. Can we move on? Oh
00:53:36
Speaker
Well, also at least like Happy Tree Friends was kind of the first of its era because it was one of the first things on YouTube that became extremely popular to the point that like merch was made and it was a subversion of the expectation that we put on what kind of animation is for kids and whatnot. So I think it's in a way like it's influential on one side because you're like, yeah, don't just put your kid in front of anything that's animated and brightly colored like there's
00:54:05
Speaker
There's other things that people can create with this. And then it went on too long. Yeah. Basically it was like, this did so good. So this is going to be a banger thing. And then they drop.
00:54:15
Speaker
It's just, and it's not even like the gore is that intense because it's still stylized in the My Little Pony sense. And we're still talking about this specifically, just kind of analyzing why it was able to blow up the way it was and why it's like, whatever, you know? But it's because they still maintain the style. So the gore itself isn't implicit. What it really is, is that you don't even get time to dwell on the concept of what really fully happened either. It's meant to just be like, oh, because it's moving so fast on purpose.
00:54:43
Speaker
It's meant to kind of like, you know, when things are moving fast, you have flashing bright lights, it's going to invoke like anxiety to it, because it's just going so fast, you can't process and the next thing you know, someone's dying, you're like, Oh, shit. But at the same time, it's like if you it's that trap kind of and once you keep using that same trap over and over and over again, it's not really like anything. It's not it's not good. That's that's kind of flat, but it's not good.
00:55:10
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's also what like evoked such a fan response to something like Don't Hug Me I'm Scared. Because people cosplayed all those characters, they made fan art and fan fiction of these characters.
00:55:24
Speaker
because there was an emotional connection on some level where we were, yes, we were given a psychological horror, but we were also given a level of connection of this is kind of, it's similar to the show you might've watched when
Psychological Horror in Fan Creations
00:55:37
Speaker
you were a kid. There's a level of nostalgia. There's also a level of unsettling like aura and eeriness to it. And the songs have the weird breaks and the weird, have you stopped one of those songs and heard the backing track throughout?
00:55:51
Speaker
No, it is weird. They purposely mix underneath. So you have this backing track that is really eerie and slow and kind of like, you know, when you have like a normal soundtrack for a horror movie where it's kind of got that like high pitch is kind of like cut. Yeah. And that's playing underneath. And then when it gets to the end, they just cut it flat. And that's what the end credits usually are ending with. And so it's like, they're the way then the not to say like, this art bad, like art bad, whatever, blah, blah, blah.
00:56:21
Speaker
But comparing the two between Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared because they're the same era of YouTube. They came out at the same time looking at the timestamp for that. Don't Hug Me, I'm Scared was done by a full studio. Everything was complete stop motion and not to say that the art was more, but this is a studio that specializes in psychological horror.
00:56:41
Speaker
Like that's what they do. And so by doing it in YouTube as a platform and building it up and having this suspense, and it's this level, because it introduces you pretty quick to like, this is a pretty comfortable thing. Like this is comfortable. It's not moving super quick where you can't process what's happening. Like the other one was, it's a slow, quick use of its trusting motive, I guess, because you're more than likely just going to be like, Okay, well, it's fine.
00:57:08
Speaker
Whereas the other one, it gives you a warning. And the next thing you know, you're thrown into this fast pace thing. And so you already kind of see it coming because it's not set. Well, there's no scene set. It's just murder porn to be murder porn. Whereas with this other one, it's slow. It's droning. And you kind of get familiar with the characters before. So when it's like, oh shit, like they're eating human meat, you're like, huh, you kind of sit with it for a minute. You go sit on the edge of your bed. Think about what you looked at. Are we both only two people looking at this cupcakes fan fiction right now at the Google drive?
00:57:38
Speaker
uh possibly i didn't open it who else is here who knows somebody else is looking at it i was trying to find something to to show you and talk about that you reminded me of i don't have that open on google dogs who else is talking about this right now in this timeline sorry it just caught me off guard i saw someone was in the google drive i was like
00:58:03
Speaker
Oh my god. No. But yeah, don't hug me. I'm scared. Did murder porn better? Because it's not inherently murder. It's just kind of this level of unease that they're essentially tricking you with. And that's different than what cupcakes did. And cupcakes is kind of stupid. That's it. That's all I gotta say.
00:58:20
Speaker
Yes, for sure. There is, I don't know if I've actually talked about it on this podcast, but when I was in undergrad, I worked for an art museum and I was one of the curatorial assistants for a video game and animation exhibition and
00:58:42
Speaker
We had a very strange piece that came as a part of the traveling part of the exhibition because how these exhibitions work for TLDR is a rich person lends you money to pay an artist to borrow a piece of artwork. Usually that goes through some sort of organization like a nonprofit and so we went through a nonprofit
00:59:05
Speaker
that someone owned and he was facilitating the money through that so the non-profit got to control which pieces we got. So we didn't have control over it. So they sent us like six pieces and one of them, I'm trying to find the actual name of it, but it was it was an animated piece that
00:59:30
Speaker
had a bunch of hand-drawn 90s manga-esque characters that were girls. They were very girlish. They were skinny, long hair, big eyes. They were drawn in such a way that they were sketchy and looked kind of uncomfortable.
00:59:48
Speaker
And it was like a flashing image, like a grainy old school film flashing animation, if that makes any sense. It was made to look vintage, even though it wasn't. It was made in like 2002. And the song that they used over it was Lavender Town from Pokemon. And the images that they have and the animation that they have of this character that they created
01:00:15
Speaker
were sometimes creepy, sometimes the character was missing limbs, sometimes the character was a Siamese twin that was fingerfucking itself, and I don't know why we had this in this museum, but it was very much a part of that like era
01:00:36
Speaker
of influence from vintage-esque games or animation and nerd culture that transversed into what-if but horror. And you just reminded me of that with the droning that I was thinking about how Lavender Town in general sparked such a huge fan artist and fan creation movement afterwards, and then also the theory behind why. So you just reminded me of that, and I thought it was interesting.
01:01:06
Speaker
Man, I just, I kind of am getting sick. Have you, maybe this is just me, but are you kind of getting sick of like, what if it was like Disney but evil? Like, can we just move past this? This is a boring thing. If you're not gonna make it sexy, I don't care. If you're not gonna say, what if, but villain, but hot, I don't give a shit. Like Maleficent was interesting because it was Angelina Jolie and she's fucking gorgeous.
01:01:33
Speaker
I didn't give a fuck about Cruella and the scene where her mom is getting killed by Dalmatians looked like a fucking execution from Danganronpa. Have you seen the edit of it where the music is playing? No. I got you. I still haven't seen Cruella. It's bad. I think I've only seen Maleficent of like the villain-esque movies. What other one is there? I know there's another one, right?
01:02:03
Speaker
Not of the villains, I think. I think the other ones are like live action. I'm sorry. I completely droned off in a yawn. Um, I think the other ones are just live action retellings, not really darker retellings, but. Okay. I liked Maleficent just because like she was hot and also because there was a level of deeper meaning with, um, the director talked about how the wings was like an allegory for rape and for surviving that.
01:02:30
Speaker
and for seeking some sort of personal closure afterwards. So I enjoyed the substance there, but again, you hooked me because you put sexy evil lady in cool outfit. I didn't come for anything else. I got something else out of it, but I sure didn't show up for it. Okay, let's look at this edit really fast. But to answer your question, yes, I'm sick of it.
01:02:55
Speaker
Thank you. Cause I am too. I'm just... The wheel keeps reinventing itself when it comes to like psychological horror and like, what if? Like I'm so tired of it. I just want to see something fresh. Hey, watch the other video. What the fuck?
01:03:16
Speaker
Okay, also, I just want to- Okay, so if you're not familiar with the scene, all you need to know is Dalmatian's Attack Corolla's mom, and she goes over a railing into the sea. That's it. And they follow her. They follow her off the cliff. Oh yeah, that's right, they do. The dogs are like, fuck it.
Critique of Pop Culture Moments
01:03:34
Speaker
singing killed my grandma. Dalmatians killed my mom by making her fall off a cliff. So I just watched a forensic files today from the first series of this guy who tried to lie about killing his mom by saying, oh, well, she fell over the banister on the stairwell.
01:03:57
Speaker
Um, she fell backwards and fell over it, and then fell to her death, much like the way that Corel Deville's mother does in this scene. And, um, they managed to prove him wrong on the simple fact of, if you're a short lady, your center of gravity is low as shit, and no, you're not gonna fall over that banister. And it was so obvious in that scene that she has to, like, jump to be thrown over the railing by the dogs.
01:04:24
Speaker
She has to jump into the air for it to work. Person of Gravity would not let it. No. Oh my god. That's so funny. I love fanfiction. I love alternate universes. Unless they're dark Disney. Shut the fuck up. Unless it's the Twisted Wonderland thing where we have sexy anime
01:04:47
Speaker
villain boys. I'm okay with that. Scar kind of fine. I don't give a shit about the game. I just care about the character design. No, I think there's literally a published like novel where it's like, what if the person who cursed the beast was Bell's mom? You're like, I don't fucking care. I don't give a shit. I don't care about Bell's mom. I want to fuck beast. Girl.
01:05:14
Speaker
You gonna look at me and tell me that I'm wrong? Yeah, so I'm kinda cute though. I know he's a bad guy, but he's kinda dumb and big. You know for a fact that man greasy and sweaty as hell, I'm not here for it. He looks like he stinks. Yeah, he looks like he puts duck fat in his hair, like... Don't give me the fuckboy look. No! I don't have a crush on Gaston, I just think maybe once. That's all I'm saying.
01:05:42
Speaker
Probably smells like fucking rotten eggs because he has to eat so many every day. He's a musky husky. I was going to say he's a musky husky, but I wanted to take those words back the minute they came out of my mouth. How dare you insult husky men like that. Oh, no. Oh, my God. Fuck, we strayed so far. Yeah, I know. Fan fiction. I've been slowly reading this, by the way, and it's not good.
01:06:12
Speaker
Yeah, it's not good. Is the other person still on there? No, they left. They saw they weren't alone. They were like, should I get out of here?
01:06:24
Speaker
Oh man. I remember when I was maybe 12. I was on fanfiction.net. I never made an account. I always just lurked. But I was on fanfic.net and I found some fanfiction that I can't remember
01:06:44
Speaker
what the specifics of it were plot-wise, but I remember that it was essentially like Kingdom Hearts characters, but what if Scooby-Doo? And they like solved crimes or something. And I was intrigued because I'm like, hell yeah, I love both of these things. Let's get the fuck in here. So I'm sitting in the study in my parents' house on the family computer reading this, and in the same room is my mom, and she's sitting on the couch watching TV.
01:07:12
Speaker
And I'm just silently like scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, reading this. And she looks up and she goes, hey, will you read me a couple sentences of what you're reading? And I was like, yeah, sure. And so I read it out loud and thank God nothing weird was in like three sentences because on the fourth sentence that I was not going to read out loud was when shit started getting weird and they were like, let's make out in the hallway.
01:07:42
Speaker
And I just have that distinct memory because I see all these tweets of people being like, Oh, do you really remember when we read lemons on the family computer? Like, yeah, I remember when I almost accidentally read one out loud to my mom. Oh my God. Hey, it turns out so that you, when we're talking about, sorry, back to cupcakes for one second. Cause I just finished reading. You're really going to ignore that gem of a story. I don't want to shame you more than you've already been shamed. Thank you. I appreciate it.
01:08:09
Speaker
Um, it turns out Apple Bloom, Applejack's little sister, was in on it the whole time and she kills two. Oh my god. Bad writing. Terrible writing. Yikes. Trash. Yeah, it was probably written by like some 14 year old off the shits like this. This is the part we're gonna tell me that you wrote this and you're actually the famous author.
01:08:34
Speaker
I don't know shit about My Little Pony, so no. I didn't even know Applejack had a little sister. I had to remember her name first. And a brother. They're all named Applethings. Damn. I think. You couldn't be more creative. You're like those families that name all their kids with a J. Can we talk about Yoei fanfiction because we've been reading a lot of, or we've been watching Death Note lately.
01:08:59
Speaker
Hold up real quick cuz you just pronounced yaoi in the way that it's actually pronounced yaoi Yeah, but you said it for a second like Yahweh, which is God Jesus. I love you God It's yaoi
01:09:17
Speaker
Okay, I don't know. It will forever be Yowie to me and I'm very sorry. I'm gonna be like- No, you're fine. I used to say Yowie. I used to say Yowie, but my stepmom speaks Japanese and I said it Yowie once back when I was in the Hetalia phase because she'd be like, are you into that Yowie stuff? I'm like, no, I'm not. So you're saying Yowie? Is that what you're saying? Yeah. Yeah. Yowie. Okay.
01:09:40
Speaker
Well, now you're saying it like God. You're just- Yahweh. Not Yahweh. Yahweh. No, you said different- when you were backing up though, you said Yahweh. I'm like, fuck! It's hard! Why'd you tell me that's God- Why is that God's name? I have sinned. Why is that God's name? Is it like, easy? What's up? No, it's just his name. I don't know! What do you mean, why isn't his name? That's his name! Who named him that?
01:10:09
Speaker
He did, I guess. That's embarrassing. It's like how I named me Nebula. Actually, I didn't name me Nebula. My friend Halt named me Nebula. But you tell me the goddess didn't even name herself, bro. Cringe. No, I am a mod from my friend Halt, Halt exe on Twitch. And we've known each other since high school. And my screen name, as you guys know, is Nebula underscore inky. And my family calls me inky. Like that's my nickname there. All my nieces, my knee flings call me inky.
01:10:38
Speaker
and call Wooper Wooper. And I was trying to go by Inky online as well, just like keep all my ducks in a row. And Halt would not do that. He was just like, hey, Nebula. I'm like, all right, well, I guess that's my name now. That's how it came to be. Not even God's name themselves. I would have gone for like a John. I mean, I know there's Johns in the Bible, but like if you could have been the first John,
01:11:05
Speaker
Sephiroth. Now there's a name. Hey God, hey Bible writers, you should hit me up. I got really good ideas for the next one. Oh my God, don't call out the Mormons like this. Dude, I wish, I know I live in Utah, maybe I should just go and change the official tomes to say Sephiroth. Gaslight the entire church to make them believe it's with Sephiroth the entire time.
01:11:33
Speaker
Bro, his name is Sephiroth. Why are you saying Yahweh? What the fuck are you talking about? His name is Sephiroth. Like, you mean like up there? Yeah. Come on. It's also fanfiction for the Bible. Duh. Yeah, Mormonism is. It's just canon divergent fanfiction. Yep. But with Sephiroth. Ah! What were you going to say? I don't know.
01:11:58
Speaker
Oh, I suffer off God. Praise be. Shit. Praise be them cheeks. True. True. True. Maybe we should start playing one winged angel in church. Oh, hell yeah, I would do that. When my friend Mochi got married recently, and
01:12:20
Speaker
for her ceremony when everyone like was coming in to sit down in the aisle or the Hughes and whatnot. She was playing different vitamin string quartet covers of like the Sailor Moon opening and like Dearly Beloved from Kingdom Hearts. I was going to walk down the aisle to a symphonic version of Kiski's father. I love it. I love that so much. That's so cute.
01:12:45
Speaker
But yeah, she just played all the nerdy stuff. I know Portal still alive was on there. That sounds a banger though. It is. Merry-Go-Round of Life was one. So yeah, I loved that. Because I remember we walked in and I was like, this is a Sailor Moon thing.
01:13:01
Speaker
It was a country ass wedding like all like all the guests were very country so like no one knew so I just looked at whoop and I'm like dude this is Sailor Moon. He's like yeah it's Sailor Moon. I'm gonna rip my nose off it will not stop itching. I hate this. This is not a good fanfic episode because we deterred from fanfic now we're talking about anime.
01:13:26
Speaker
It still counts. Yeah. It's fine. Sephiroth God. We're back on track. Say what you were gonna say. I don't remember now! What was I saying up to it? We were talking about, um... Oh, Death Note.
01:13:39
Speaker
Yeah. Death Note. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so fucked up. It's so fucked up that more people ship L and Light and not Misa and L facts. Right. Right. Yowie shippers need to eat my fucking shit because the way that Misa and L interact, I don't care that she's in love with Light because Light's a useless man. Like fuck that dude. I don't care. But the way that L and Misa interact, chef kiss. Absolutely delicious. I love it.
01:14:08
Speaker
He loves her and she is just so cute. I'm so fucking sick of seeing light. I'm so sick of him. There's no way in hell he can be looking at me. So who wants to give everything to him and he can't fuck the shit out of her. Come on, bro. This is this is cringe.
01:14:27
Speaker
I'm gonna tell listeners right now, whenever this episode drops and you go in in the discord to talk to us in the Fandames discussion channel, do not fucking give Death Note spoilers! Parkes isn't done with it yet. Don't say shit. Don't say shit. Anyways, continue. I had to give that disclaimer. I did really get that when I didn't open up spoilers today when people were talking about it. I'm so proud of you! Because Ray was in chat and he would have known.
01:14:53
Speaker
Well because like Death Note is one of those that it sparked such a big fan community where like I'm pretty sure that the first fan made and sold charms that I saw at like conventions and stuff were like L and light ship charms and things and there was a particular artist I know I mentioned to you I can't remember her name at the moment but
01:15:17
Speaker
She was on DeviantArt for a long time and I followed her for years and years and years. And she drew like, what is it, Graham and Will and Hannibal.
01:15:29
Speaker
Is that his name? She drew Hanagram? Hanagram, that's what it is. She drew Hanagram ship art as like charms. She drew like- The Hannibal show is just a plot to death note, but this time they actually fuck. Because it's the detective and the murderer that are best friends.
01:15:47
Speaker
Yeah, and she drew, uh, Ellen Light. She drew, like, Dr. Houston. Um, I think she drew, like, Sephiroth and Cloud at some point. Um, but, like, she's a really great artist. It's just, that was all she drew was the Yowie ships. Praise be, Sephiroth. Anytime I think about, praise be, Sep. Can we have the next sticker month to just Sephiroth?
01:16:12
Speaker
God, it's me again, Sephiroth looking down at you. Yeah. I love you, Sephiroth God. Anyways, go. But yeah, it's just like that kind of interaction in general, I think is the first big fan art and fan fiction community of the recent digital age, like with the rise of fanfiction.net and the rise of DeviantArt and stuff like that.
01:16:35
Speaker
Um, so I don't want you to spoil yourself on any of it because I want you to get the full breadth of the story and then look at all the fan content and be like, what the fuck were these people? I know. And I've been trying my best, especially when it was being discussed in Nerd Tatsu Galaxy earlier, because you can see me actively and I'm afraid of catching the boot.
01:16:57
Speaker
Not the kick, but like having a boot thrown at my head.
Navigating Online Interactions
01:17:00
Speaker
Yes. Or stepped on your neck. Although you might like that. I would. Stippy, Stippy. Stippy, Stippy. I'm trying to think of anything else that I can pull out like deep lore wise. We've talked about it a lot on other episodes of the recent
01:17:17
Speaker
war online with antis versus pro shippers and that is like front and fucking center when it comes to Modern fanfiction in particular especially fanfic authors on Twitter
01:17:31
Speaker
Because nothing ever good comes out of Twitter. I hate it so much. You know the saying, nothing good happens after midnight? Nothing good happens on Twitter, period. No, nothing good, nothing. Except we meet cool people. Maybe we don't need Twitter as much as people think we do. I think Twitter needs to have a better rule structure to it. Not that it needs to be spoken rule, but we should know better.
01:17:58
Speaker
Yeah. Um, this is unrelated. Yeah. Can we talk about like fanfic in terms of like TikToks for a minute? Oh, no. You know, cosplay, you know, cosplay TikTokers that do like audio bytes to stuff. Why the fuck do they always talk out the side of their mouth? Like this? Yeah.
01:18:21
Speaker
You look stupid. I feel like a puppet. I'm like, I'm like, I'm my mob stuff. I'm not even 47. But I'm your Araca and I'm talking about wanting to fuck Deku, you see? You say? I'm from the Bronx, you say? Fuck, I hate that. Right? Okay. Do you know what I hate? More is the girls on TikTok. Actually, not even girls. They're fucking full grown women. They do this shit like, I'm talking, look at you, Bill of Porch, where you like, they bob their head and they go like,
01:18:51
Speaker
Fuck off. Don't move your smile across your mouth like you're some weird doll. I hate it. Or the people who do TikToks to the baby audios where it's like, you're your best, right? And they're like a grown-ass woman. Like, shut the fuck up, boomer. The only one that's valid is the girl that in the really high-pitched voice goes, what the fuck? I love her. She can stay. Let me see if I can find this one for you real fast.
Internet Privacy and Anonymity
01:19:19
Speaker
I didn't even think about the concept of visual fanfic, which is just a fan film at that point, a short fan film of things that I want to bleach out of my brain and eyeballs. I just kind of hate it, respectfully. My friend- Like country bakako? Yeah. It's fine to have people's freedoms, but maybe shut up.
01:19:42
Speaker
I do think that there is some level of privilege of people of our age and older being able to say that to younger generations. This is something that I've kind of danced around talking about in an episode, but I mean, it's very relevant to understand and remember, like keep in your forefront of your mind that we had the privilege
01:20:04
Speaker
of not having to, or not being expected to put our full name on the internet. We were chastised if we did. That was a really bad thing. You did not talk about who you were, you didn't give details. There's so much safety that went into instructing kids on how to handle the internet.
01:20:22
Speaker
so you had a lot of anonymity whenever it came to posting fan fiction or posting fan art and you didn't have to share that with the whole world because most of your friends were not online that's just how it was you if you were friends with the people
01:20:38
Speaker
in real life that you also interacted with online, you were considered one of the lucky ones, but also you were very tight knit and you guys probably trusted each other pretty well because nobody else wanted to talk to you about that kind of shit. But these days you have kids with cards who have every single mental health problem on full display, like maybe you shouldn't be telling people your age, you shouldn't be telling people what state you're in, and you definitely should not be putting your fucking mental health
01:21:03
Speaker
where it can be seen by strangers who can come at you like i know you probably want to put it there and you think it's well meaning because it's like they'll be nicer and like be a little bit more empathetic if they know i'm autistic speaking is like myself no you're giving them you're telling them what slur to use
01:21:20
Speaker
Yeah, exactly not to say that that's right or that you would like victim blaming for anything but you shouldn't be giving personal information like that ever and when we have people who are like putting out fan fictions without like any sort of prayer like It takes away the whole thing because you can kind of tell too much personally about them in one go So it's just like there's no yeah as you were saying there's no on it. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm. Mmm
01:21:47
Speaker
and anonymity and anonymity. Thank you. I keep rolling over it because I'm still tired. Um, but there's not any of that. So when you put a fanfic out, it's going to be kind of stuck to your name forever. So you could be applying for a job in three years and you're not going to get it. Cause it turns out you've been writing weird dream SMP or fight porn. I'm sorry. Good luck.
01:22:07
Speaker
And I mean, you should not write porn of real people. I'm telling you that up front. But if you want to write fan fiction of anime characters, what the fuck ever, don't put your real name on it. If you were planning to go into or to like, not even if, just don't, just don't. There's a really weird expectation on modern internet users to use your real name for everything.
01:22:33
Speaker
I was taught to not even put my full real name in my email address. I did. It's like initials so that it could technically be tied to me, but I could also very easily brush it off and say, no, that's just someone with a similar initial in case I had to. My full email is like my initials, PC, and then my full name. Babe, come on. No one will know it's me.
01:23:04
Speaker
It's a very clear divide of people who grew up on the internet and who are unfortunately birthed into the internet and did not have the moment to learn what is right, what's wrong, what's going to protect me and what's going to hurt me. So if you're a younger listener and you're listening to this and a lot of your usernames online or how you interact on Twitter or Facebook or Tumblr, TV and art, what the fuck ever, change your username. Do not have it be your name. Even on Discord, don't have it be your name.
01:23:34
Speaker
Just don't. I didn't mean to laugh at me. It'll save you. It'll save us. Do you want to talk about children on Twitter? My little sister, my 18 year old sister, just tweeted, I don't trust kids for a damn second because they don't understand death and that scares me. Maybe kids can be on Twitter, but no, she's an adult now.
01:23:53
Speaker
Don't put your mental health problems on display. Please keep some sort of anonymity. Because when you do that, especially in the fanfic world, your writing is pretty obvious when you're affected by stuff. Like, are all of my characters extremely slow? When I'm writing porn, do they all get called pretty girls because I have an obsession with being called pretty? I don't know, maybe so. You wouldn't know that if you, like,
01:24:22
Speaker
If you don't see my other account, my other writings, you wouldn't fucking know that. You don't know the biases that are within my own writing, and I don't have to give them for any means. And no one has to even know I do this, because no one's gonna look up Parker... I almost dropped my full name. Parker Fandames. Yeah. No one's gonna look up my full name and find that, oh, Parker's been writing weird porn. I mean, if you looked up any of my quiet usernames that I hide under, you would. Not that anyone has those usernames, because they're dead.
01:24:50
Speaker
It's like I was able to do it safely. I didn't care. I was a 14 year old or an important. I mean bad, you know, don't do that. But shit happens when you're unaware of like boundaries and how badly that fucks you up. So.
01:25:03
Speaker
One thing, you know, but no one's gonna find that. No one's gonna fucking find it, but me. You can't. It literally can't be tracked, because I took my name off of everything. My name's not on a damn thing. I used a fake name online, and I'm safe for it. I mean, not really, because I was still kind of kick groomed, but... Just you talk girl things. Just you talk girl things, except it's not. It's just not you. You're sheltered, Oklahoma.
01:25:30
Speaker
No, I'm not sheltered. I can promise you that I just sheltered enough that you didn't get groomed on the internet. I got groomed in real life. That aside, like it's.
01:25:44
Speaker
It really is past the point of, I feel bad for these kids, and it's I am pissed that no one taught younger generations to not be idiots online and not be naive and trusting because they just assumed, well, we taught it once, we don't have to teach it again. We taught it for 15 years from 1990 to 2005, and now it's fine, and that's not how it works. So it's really,
01:26:11
Speaker
Really frustrating to me that so many people don't get that. Like, if you want to post whatever fan art online, but you don't want it to come back to bite you in the ass, just don't use your real name. Or just use an amalgamation of it. Like, rearrange the letters in your name or something if you can't come up with, like, a cool username. I don't know. Just do something that isn't you. I'm gonna become fan fiction Kira. This is my second Kira.
01:26:40
Speaker
All right, Nebula rant over. That's all. No, but you're right. So true, Bestie. I hate that, by the way. I know why it's there, but it's so patronizing.
01:26:50
Speaker
Um, oh shit, I'm gonna cover my bases real fast before any of you guys talk shit to Parks and I about who you guys met online and your friends and you started this today. We're adults. We're adults. Yeah, bitch. We're 20s. We're turbulent on my social security number. Yeah, but we're adults.
01:27:14
Speaker
I don't, don't spread that misinformation, I don't know your SSN. Don't tell me. You have access to it, it's on our Paypal. Oh shit, I do. We're adults. Do not tell anyone, you even have mental health problems, don't tell anyone your age, unless you're underage, don't interact with fucking adults. But do not tell anyone shit about you. But I gave my friend my social security number, so whatever. Oh my god.
01:27:44
Speaker
If you're a younger lister and someone's being a creep to you online, DMS on Twitter will fight them. Yeah,
Fan Fiction's Empowerment Role
01:27:49
Speaker
I'll tell them off for you. I will cuss them out. And I'll show you the screenshots so you can laugh. You can't see my thumbs up. Both of us give a thumbs up on cute, perfect timing, where you're perfect. We're so fucking cute. Love you. We're getting into the one hour 40 minute part. Do you want to start doing some wrap up? Oh, shit. Yeah. Was there anything else you wanted to mention? I feel like we also didn't just talk about shit. We just kept saying shit to say shit to say it.
01:28:26
Speaker
No, I just feel like it's just fan fiction is one of those things that gets such a harsh stigma against it because it's mostly women and queer people writing it, which is funny because now those people who wrote it have industry level jobs like they're working for comic industries, they're the people who get to write that Tim Drake is like queer and questioning like, ooh.
01:28:39
Speaker
Yeah, you want to try that sentence again? When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you- When you-
01:28:47
Speaker
You know, it's there's such a weird stigma around people who write original established character or like established characters versus their own original characters. And it's always been so weird. Like when I said this is just a weird example, it's kind of an offhanded thing. But do you remember when I said that, like, I had original characters like in the League of Legends universe and someone gave me like
01:29:07
Speaker
weird shit saying they don't usually like that and it was just so weird and kind of off-handed like why does it matter to you but it's especially been like this thing that's mostly been women and I mean I could technically go into a whole hour-long rant about like why most women look into like
01:29:27
Speaker
written erotica versus visual porn because it's mostly written by a woman catered to women. You're more likely to see a 30-minute fic about pussy eating compared to a boring porn. It's Jack Hammer, the skinny white woman in Call of Good. I'm not interested in that.
01:29:45
Speaker
No and like I don't expect anyone to be ever and so it's like women are getting pleasure from this and they're having fun from I don't even mean pleasure like sexually they're getting pleasure from doing it riding it reading it blah blah blah and people don't like that women happy so obviously it's a problem and people will judge it harshly because they don't care and like that stigma I mean it's not to be like internalized misogyny but like that stigma is what causes like
01:30:10
Speaker
other writers to look down at people who do fanfiction, but fanfiction has been so integral to how fandoms kind of elaborate and how they can like, they can see a character for two seconds and be able to just like make it up enough to write a fanfiction that can be extremely good. And it's like, in some certain see like in some situations, some media, you only see them for like five 10 minutes. So it's like,
01:30:34
Speaker
If people like really like that character, they're not going to have any other resources. So the people who are putting in the effort to make these fan fictions or the people who write these ex-readers, I have someone I know personally who reads and writes ex-readers constantly because it's the only way that they can feel comfortable with their body type because most fan fictions do not encompass like plus size women.
01:30:56
Speaker
or they fetishize it on a horrible level. Yeah. And so it's like, and there's not really like, for example, still staying with the same thing. There's not really good examples of plus sized women in media lately. Anyway, I mean, it's more and more as we kind of push for it. But prior to that, there wasn't really anything. So like fan fiction, ex readers was the only way that you could have like writing with plus sized characters actually being seen. And so for someone to just like fan fiction, bad, like get the fuck over yourself.
01:31:25
Speaker
Because fanfiction isn't just written anymore, not in the media we're in. We have AU's that are designed from fix that are now getting full comics like by written by independent artists. We have webtoons that are all fanfiction. Books are based on fanfiction based on fanfiction like it's so
01:31:44
Speaker
I know an artist. I went to high school with them. They're extremely skilled. They are an animator on the new Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles animated TV show. They are younger than, they're about your age actually. And they literally draw turtle ship art on their Twitter and they're a professional and they work on the fucking show and they still make fan art of it. Like it's do whatever the fuck you want.
01:32:12
Speaker
I would also like to say I know we've made comments about how fanfic has a sexual side to it often.
01:32:18
Speaker
And fan fiction is for everyone in the same way that movies and books are for everyone. There is obviously a rating system. There is obviously discretion that you have to give or that you have to give to the younger folks in your community. You have to be able to mention if someone asks you or comes to you like, hey, is this appropriate? You have to say yes or no. I'm not saying you have. You have. You have to.
01:32:43
Speaker
I also, I think that's one thing with, sorry to cut you off. That's one thing with the lemon system is that like it's not upfront enough if you're not versed in language. And I think that causes a lot of problems because someone can just blindly walk into porn these days because no one's using the same metric by no one's fucking using the metric. And I mean, like, yes, on archive of our own, you get warnings like this is an adult fit, like, it says like mature or teen or whatever. Yeah. But Wattpad doesn't have that.
01:33:11
Speaker
Fanfic.net doesn't have that. Most Twitter threads are not going to have that if the author does not want to disclose that. DeviantArt has the option for it to be 18 plus or not, but that's it. There's no in between level. You don't have to put in age to just turn off the explicit filter.
01:33:27
Speaker
Yeah, you can be underage in a community and still be involved with fan art and fanfic. You have to have discretion on what you want to interact with. I'm not going to encourage you to interact with adult material at all. But I also can't stop you. Like, yeah, when we talk about specifically how you and I can talk about explicit material is because we write it, we read it like that's our thing. That's our specific specialties. And so obviously, we're going to be more well versed in that.
01:33:54
Speaker
I'm not reading more of the open. I have, but a lot of the fandoms I'm in are in darker places anyways. Devil May Cry is about demons and dead brothers. I don't know what you want me to say. Hannibal is not a show for kids. You just need to grasp your discretion.
01:34:20
Speaker
Kids, please don't read porn. I know I'm a hypocrite, but please don't interact with the authors, even if you do read it. Like, shut your fucking mouth. Don't interact with adults about it. And that's not to say that, like, well, you shouldn't make it accessible for children. Movies are accessible to children. Books are accessible to children. Get the fuck over it.
01:34:40
Speaker
Yeah, just have discretion on the internet, like for a minute. I wish we were going back. Read the tags. Yeah. Read your tags. Don't click on porn. It will fuck you up mentally. It will ruin your health. Also, do not equate the word adult material or the words, rather, adult material to sex. That is not... No, that can also be gore.
01:35:04
Speaker
It can also be traumatic topics. It can be triggering topics. It can be things that you aren't mature and ready to handle yet because that's just how it is. That's why we're fucking... That's why we're sitting here in this podcast is because we were fucked up enough by online communities to talk to you about it now. So don't... Take care of yourselves. If you have questions, send them to us. Send them to people you trust in your community. Don't get groomed. We love you.
Promotions and Conclusion
01:35:34
Speaker
Yeah, we do love you. We throw in pizza. So we don't know how to end this conversation. No, we do not. Don't get groomed.
01:35:43
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Eat your cereal. Don't get groomed. So let's start our wrap up just because we're trailing off on the don't get groomed train again. This month's patrons, this month's super saiyans are as follows. Thank you everybody for being a patron. If you want to join our patreon, you can at patreon.com slash fandames. We have our
01:36:05
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We have our Sailor Scout, we have our Pro Hero, and we have our Super Saiyan Tears. If you join our Pro Hero and our Super Saiyan Tears, you get a sticker mailed to you every month. This month's sticker is going to be our collab sticker with Trey Watson. That will be done by the end of this month, Nebula. Don't look at me! If it's not, you didn't hear this and it will be fixated. Shut up.
01:36:28
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But those will be mailed out at the end of this month. If you join, if you join our Super Saiyan, you get your name right at the end of the podcast is a big thank you. Big verbal hug because we love you. This month's Super Saiyans are Hector, Ryan, Ryan Ray. Thank you guys. Anyone else who's interested in joining? If you join by the time this episode airs, you'll be in the next one. Sorry, tough tits.
01:36:50
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also it's it's uh fandames.com or not fandames.com patreon.com slash fandames pod oh shit did i always say fandames i'm sorry i got brain soup i'm in the gabagoo
01:37:02
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You good, we in the gumbo. You can find me and all my fan art on Instagram at nebula underscore inky. I am also on Twitter at nebula underscore inky. Parks, where can they find you? You can find me on Twitter at littlelightbnowspaces. You can find me on Instagram at crownguardcauseplay. You can find the podcast at fandamespod on both.
01:37:26
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Hell yeah. That's basically everything. Do you want to embarrass ourselves? Yeah, let me see if I have one from you. I do. I think I do, because you got mad at me. You got mad at me for this one. All right, I am going to go first. I'm going to say at 1.38 AM, Parkes DM'd me. How cringe would it be if I got the Mockingjay from Hunger Games tattooed on me?
01:37:55
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And you reminded me of trauma I forgot I had. This one, this one kind of requires a little bit of context because we were playing a really bad hentai game. But Nebula and I quote, that's just a human size shit stain. It was not a shit stain. It sure looked like it. It sure did. But you said that with your whole chest in voice call.
01:38:20
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That's what I thought. Before we forget and leave you all, if you go to our store envy dot com slash fandame's pod, it's also in our link tree on all of our socials, you can sign up and pay for the pre-order of a really cool button collaboration that we're doing with my other podcast, Nerdtastic Galaxy.
01:38:41
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And we have a parks button, a nebula button, a wooper button, and a stroke of genius that is the Mountain Dew font, which reads, I'm cringe, but I am free by our lovely artist, Aliberia. So.
01:38:57
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And when you buy those, the rest of them are not, but specifically the I am cringe, but I am free is a hollow button. So it will have a very nice film over it. It'll be very shiny. You can get those for $25 in our store. They'll be shipped out at the end of August. 22nd of this month is the last day to order them.
01:39:14
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Hell yeah. We also have all our previous Patreon stickers there. So if you missed a month and you wanted one, they're up there. Come snag them. Parks will mail it to you. Support our merch. That's the best way to support our podcast. Obviously, listening to us, downloading it, joining our Discord server. The link is in the bio. You can tell us about this episode. We want to hear from you. We definitely want to hear from you. But if you want to support this podcast without just listening, if you have the means to donate to us monetarily, we even have a PayPal that's also linked on all of our stuff.
01:39:43
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But the best way to do it is by buying our merch, joining our Patreon, and just telling us what you think. And just tell your friends, honestly. Tell your fucking friends. Tell your mom. We don't pay to advertise. We don't pay to advertise anywhere. And the number one way to get podcasts views is still just word of mouth. It's straight up is. So if you like our content, you want to tell your buddies, you want to tell your cat, I don't fucking care. It means the world to me regardless. Gently persuaded.
01:40:11
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Drown them in the bathtub until they do. I don't know. Figure it out. All right, Andrea. Listen to our episode. Tell your friends. Go read fanfiction. Go read fanfiction. But responsibly. Responsibly. Nebula, kiss me. Let's end the episode.