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Vol 2 Ch 18 | Gaslight, Gateboss, Girlkeep
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Hey, remember when Batman (2022) came out a year ago? Well, here's our lost Batman review episode that we recorded... a year ago. Surprise! Spoilers for Batman (2022), in case you still haven't seen it, in which case--what are you doing here? Go watch Robert Pattinson be the best Batman ever. Then come back to the Sleepover.
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Introduction to Secret Backlog Episode
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey, what's up? FanDames listeners, sleepover members. This is a backlog episode that never actually made it to your beautiful, wonderful ears because life happened and we got really busy. So here you go. A fun, never-before-listened-to-heard secret episode that has lived in the files of my computer for a few months. And without any further ado,
00:00:29
Speaker
Here you go.
Host Dynamics and Podcast Anniversary
00:00:31
Speaker
Wow. Welcome back to the Sleepover podcast. This is Fandames with Parks and Nebula. I am one host named Nebula who is going because Parks has food in her mouth. Okay, I'm good.
00:00:56
Speaker
I'm younger, I'm gay, I like to go on nice walks with people I don't know. That's called strangers. You probably shouldn't go on walks with strangers. Mad living, I'm scared. You put me on the spot. I try to eat a little pretzel because I thought you would take more time, but you didn't.
00:01:16
Speaker
We've been doing this how long? 20 minutes now. And you're like, I'm at like the show in general. A full year. Actually, technically the first day we started recording was March 25th. No, that's the day that Fandames was born. We started recording April, huh? In April, yes. I think April 1st or 2nd was when we actually started recording. It was one of those weekends, because it was the weekend of my niece's birthday. Her birthday is April 2nd.
Nebula's Illness and Podcast Impact
00:01:47
Speaker
So, we've been doing this for almost a year and I don't know how to be a part of the intro. And we've been gone for a minute because I have been horribly sick. I've been horribly divorced.
00:02:00
Speaker
I've been, this is the second most sick I've ever been in my life is this past month. When I was 13, I had mono, and I had mono so bad that I genuinely thought I was going to die, because I couldn't breathe and I couldn't eat or sleep or do fucking anything. I thought I felt my throat literally peeling open, like I could feel my throat bleed. It was the literal worst. And this came real fucking close to it. I lost my voice for four days.
00:02:27
Speaker
uh, completely. I was in so much pain that I could not swallow anything hardly. I coughed so hard that I felt like I was gonna fucking throw up my whole stomach. It was terrible. And I'm still getting over it. Which sucks. So you would have hated eating these presents for real. Yeah. So if I, um, cough during this, or if you hear that at any point while I'm laughing, that's why. Also scream violently. Like I will tear you up. Well, fuck you. Well, it's like a fucking say before...
00:02:57
Speaker
I don't know. I just needed to get that out there. And also, we recorded literally like two days before I got super sick a month ago. And so there's a Fandame's Lost episode that is sitting in my file in my drafts. And I will publish that for patrons only. Why don't I remember this episode? Because you were out of it. It was right before level up. And you were in- Did that episode not get posted?
00:03:25
Speaker
It did not get posted because I was so sick. I couldn't get out of bed. I texted you three different days and I said, okay, I feel bad. I'm going to do it. I'm going to edit it tomorrow. It'll be late. It never got posted. I was like, yeah, great. Everyone heard that.
00:03:40
Speaker
No, I feel no. All right. That's on me. Hold on taking my bird No, it's it's also on me because I was so sick and I couldn't I could not edit it I couldn't sit at my desk for longer than like an hour. Well, you shouldn't have said anything. You shouldn't just quietly put it out there
00:03:58
Speaker
No, I'm gonna put it on the patrons exclusively because I also noticed that my audio quality isn't great in that one. So I'm gonna do some editing and it's just gonna be a little fun extra for you guys. So you'll get a whole extra episode.
00:04:13
Speaker
Yeah, I know. It's all my fault. I'm sorry that I got sick. How dare you? It wasn't even fucking COVID. Dude, it wasn't even- Woop had COVID in the same house. We did not isolate at all because we found out he had COVID very late into his whole stint with it. And I tested twice and I was negative both times. And they tested me for flu and for strep. And they're like, no, we don't know what the fuck's wrong with you. Here's some antibiotics, I guess. Go home. And I was like, what the fuck?
00:04:42
Speaker
So I still don't know what I had but here we are.
Batman Film Discussion: Characters and Portrayals
00:04:47
Speaker
Here we are. I'm going to the gym after this. So you should probably stop fucking up so many pretzels. Yeah, you should probably stop eating a lot of salty things if you're gonna go to the gym. I've had no salt. You're gonna be all dehydrated. No, I'm not. I've had three of these. Oh, okay, okay.
00:05:03
Speaker
Okay, okay, good. It's branded. Whoa! Is that all of our Fandame stickers? Not all of them, just four of them, but... It has our very own faces on it, too. I know, I like us, we're cute. Aww, we're so adorable. Yeah. Damn. Well, Parks, my beloved wife, what do you want to talk about this episode? We're talking about- Did you really just put another pretzel in your mouth?
00:05:28
Speaker
Really? We're recording! Stop eating! I can't. I'm on crack. We're talking about your obsession with Batman. Oh my god. Robert Pattinson. This is your warning. Hold on, Nebula. Shut up. This is your warning now. If you have not seen Batman 2022, you need to stop this episode or it will be heavily spoiled. I have thoughts. Nebula has thoughts we've been holding on to for several days to not discuss with each other.
00:05:56
Speaker
in full depth because we want to be able to have this episode. I am saying this seriously and wholeheartedly. We do not want to ruin this for you. We think you should experience this movie on your own. So please, if you do not want spoilers for this movie, click away now. Yep.
00:06:11
Speaker
I'm giving you that second. All I was going to say is that I'm in love with Robert Pattinson. I have been since 2008. I went through the awkward phase after, you know, the post-Twilight clarity of like, oh, don't look at me. I was just a stupid little teenage girl. I didn't know anything of being like, no, fuck that. And now here I am 10 years later, like, nope, I am in love. I'm in love. I was always in love. I was also in love with Kristen Stewart. Still am. But like, Rob?
00:06:42
Speaker
Mwah, chef's kiss, most perfect Batman I've ever seen. Michael Keaton held the gold standard for a very long time, but Rob takes the cake. It's because for so long with the most recent movies, they've been trying to make an edgy emo Batman, but the issue is that they kept trying to make him cool. Don't make him cool. You can't be edgy in emo and also cool. You can't. Let him be lame and listen to Nirvana and wear eyeshadow.
00:07:09
Speaker
That is how you dig in your way. Zora's like leaning over to me. She's like, I actually love this song, bro. What the fuck? Why do they keep playing this song? I love it. It is a good song. I don't like Nirvana, but I really like that song. Did you see the tweet that said that this movie puts the timeline of Thomas and Martha dying in 2001, which means that they probably were taking their beloved son to see Shrek. They were at an opera theater.
00:07:39
Speaker
The theater. Oh, is that how they do it? Yes. No, that's how they do it in every movie. No, incorrect. Oh, in the movies. Yes. Okay, in the comics. In most of the movies it is done because Thomas Wayne is a public figure. He has to make an appearance at the opera because like, you know, high society. That's what they always show Bruce doing when he's doing his own little- That's why Three Jokers also takes place in the opera house.
00:08:12
Speaker
I did like that they worked in a Zorro joke into this one. I thought that was very clever. I liked it a lot.
00:08:23
Speaker
I loved this movie, I loved that the Riddler wasn't in so I honestly like a lot of the times when we try to incorporate that specific like character design where it's like a meta 2022 in so it never works and always feels like it's trying too hard to be like on the nose and be like, look at this like no bitch make it funny. Make it real.
00:08:45
Speaker
scream 2022 i'm looking at you take fucking notes take fucking notes they did this shit well they did this shit so well especially the comment section on his live streams it was funny as fuck
00:09:01
Speaker
At first, it's just like, oh, they're just commenting on what he's doing. There's just another bunch of weirdos that are like supporting this. And then you realize, oh, no, it's deeper than that. What the fuck? But I really liked that. I mean, yeah, it's really easy to pick up on. But I was just so engrossed and I'm in love with Robert Pattinson that I wasn't paying attention. I appreciate it because in a lot of the comic runs, that's how the gooning like occurs. It's by the
00:09:31
Speaker
My favorite part though, um, I know I was just having like an actual point about bringing up goons and that's how a lot of the DC villains have like their clicks instead of just being one dude. Um, I really like that they're like, he has 500 followers, like, oh shit. Oh, god damn. They all happen to be in Gotham. Whoa. How'd he find a Reddit? Did he go on like a Gotham cringe subreddit or something?
00:09:57
Speaker
Well, it could have also been like, you know, all the people, especially the women that would like write love letters to serial killers in prison and stuff. Like I know Richard Ramirez is a really famous one that had a lot of groupies while he was in prison. It's like that, that same mentality that I'm sure that they were like, I'm gonna go to Gotham and I'm gonna go be a part of it. But I like to just think that a lot of them were just like living there already. Because there were some already at the funeral. They're at the funeral already. Oh, yeah, that's right. You're like, whoa.
00:10:26
Speaker
All right. When we were watching the credits, whoop leaned over to me whatever we saw the Ave Maria credit because it's the first one and then it credits like the boys choir that sings it and then it's also the last credit and they have to specifically credit Paul Dano for singing it because he's saying just enough that legally they have to put it in the credit.
00:10:49
Speaker
My favorite part was when he was in the interrogation room. He was like, it didn't work. And he just started freaking out and crying. He's just screaming. We're the same. He's just like. It's like, we're not the same. I didn't think any of that shit was cool. I just. How did my plan not work? Why are you not my boyfriend, Batman? Whenever he's just staring him down and going,
00:11:21
Speaker
like man you need some water I really liked it because in that moment I like felt that kind of anxiety of like oh shit like he put it together but I was like this is stupid the Riddler in the comic always has it he knows he just doesn't it's the same with the Joker like they know they just don't want to do it cuz it ruins the game
00:11:47
Speaker
The Riddler knows for sure. Depends. It just doesn't say it. Some of the Riddlers are not that smart. They're smart in a different way. The Joker, I don't know if he ever, like, officially 100% knows, because I know it's his whole thing of, like, I don't want to know. But a lot of the times he does. Like, in the Arkham game, he knows, but he just does not care. He's like, I'm not gonna fuck with your personal life. It ruins the game. True. True. Damn.
00:12:17
Speaker
I, enough fangirling, I just genuinely, wholeheartedly, this movie is the best. This movie is like in my top three all-time movies now. I whole ass love it.
00:12:32
Speaker
Perfect is beautiful. There are of course minor complaints here and there, but that's how every single film is. No film is perfect except for Scream 1996. Scream 2022? It's a big movie? No. Sponsored. Never on your life. Never on your life. What did you think? Of this movie, I thought it was really good. My only criticism, I already told you this,
00:12:59
Speaker
Bruce is smart. He's always been a very smart man. And with the current aesthetic they have of like his contacts being cameras and shit, you would think he would know the basics of how to fucking work a laptop. So when he put in the USB drive, raw, without any encryptions, any securities, and it started doxing Gordon, he's like, whoa, how'd that happen? Then fucked off. It's like, that's crazy. I can find this girl later.
00:13:30
Speaker
Gordon's like, they're like freaking out like, that's them from my email. I'm fucked. Like, yeah, you are, Gordon. Anyways. I liked it because it highlighted the moment of like, oh, he has to learn all of that. He should. Alfred was very, I don't know. It just makes it feel like Alfred's teachings were kind of reduced because he was that much of a rookie. He didn't know how to work a fucking laptop.
00:13:57
Speaker
Yeah, I get that. That's definitely a valid note. I just thought it was fucking funny that, like, not even Jim Gordon was gonna check. It's like, dude, you've been in law enforcement for how long? It just felt like a dumb-ass scene. Like, why did both of you let that happen? Like, I know you needed to for the plot. What is on my wall? Oh, it's on my monitor. It's on my monitor. There was a spec, like, right here on my monitor, on my camera screen, and I thought it was a big fucking bug. I was gonna freak.
00:14:25
Speaker
It was on my monitor. Yeah, that felt really amateur. And it wasn't like an actual criticism. It just made me look at my dad like, for real?
00:14:37
Speaker
That's kind of how I felt when he's taking the contact out of his eye for the first part, because it literally like zooms in on his grimy, disgusting, bare finger, and then he touches his eye and pulls the contact out. And I'm like, did you get so many infections? No, I'm guilty of it. I'm guilty of it. I've done it on the con floor, like nope. After I touch a bunch of shit, I'm like, ooh, that sucks. And I just do it. I somehow am not surprised.
00:15:03
Speaker
Don't look at me scandalized. What else was I supposed to say to that? She is losing her mind. I know better when I was high at the bar and I put my hands on everything when I'm high. I'm a baby with sensory issues. I love touching shit.
00:15:25
Speaker
When I was at the bar and high wearing Misa, my red contacts needed to come out. My eyes were so dry because I was fucking high as hell. I just put my nasty little fingers in there. They had whiskey and pickle juice on them because I don't know how to take shots without spilling. Just like got in there. My eyes are perfect though. I get them checked every year. Snow fucked up eyes. PSA, if you have good vision, please go to the eye doctor at least once a year. I know you probably aren't thinking about it, but please go.
00:15:55
Speaker
I'm going on Saturday to go get my eyes checked for my yearly exam, so that's all in my mind. Why are you looking at me like that? I don't know, I'm freaking out about my eyes.
00:16:05
Speaker
Okay. Well, besides him being fucking a gremlin, you know what's a positive Bruce Wayne gremlin moment was when he was so startled that the sun continued to exist, that when he went upstairs in the morning and he had to put on sunglasses and then just started eating blueberries. Honestly, I relate. This is my Bruce Wayne. Fuck everybody else. This is my Bruce Wayne.
00:16:32
Speaker
That's directly from the comics. Like, that's what he does in there. God, I got you some blueberries. We come upstairs. Yeah, Alfred. He'll be right there. And he's got like a blanket over his head. I really, really loved how they did his character because like, I know that it's kind of, it wasn't that way in the beginning where it's like Batman becomes who he is and Bruce Wayne becomes the mask, but that's like how it's evolved over the years in the comics, especially there's a comic. I can't remember the name of the run.
00:17:02
Speaker
where he and Selena are at a masquerade ball and everybody else is wearing masks and Bruce Wayne and Selena are the only two that aren't, which is like implying that those are their masks and their real identities are Catwoman and Batman. And there's also a scene in one of the comics where Diana and
00:17:21
Speaker
Superman and Batman are all holding the lasso of truth and they're being completely honest with each other about who they are and what their heart's intentions are. And Diana says, I am Princess Diana of Themyscira. Superman says, I'm Clark Kent. I'm Kal-El. And Batman just says, I'm Batman. Batman is when he feels the most like himself.
00:17:42
Speaker
And there's another comic that one of my co-workers brought to my attention today actually where there's like, I can't remember what group, but one of his rogues is trying to get in his head and make him think that he's insane and like gaslight girl keep gay boss him. I said that wrong, but that's what I'm gonna stick with.
00:18:00
Speaker
And there's like an electrode that's sending these messages to his brain or whatever, and they're calling him Bruce the whole time. And he knows that that's not him thinking that. That's someone interfering. And whenever he finds out and confronts them, they're like, well, how did you know that it was this? Because I don't call myself Bruce in my head.
00:18:23
Speaker
and just walks away and they're like, oh shit, he just calls himself Batman. I'm like, fuck yeah, he's Batman. And this movie gets that. This movie gets that. He doesn't want to be the playboy. He has to become that, but he doesn't want to be. And it's been that way in the comics since the 80s, but it's like no movie wants to establish that. Justice League and any of the animated movies do it so much better because they prioritize him being Batman over everything else.
Critique of Batman's Identity and Past Portrayals
00:18:52
Speaker
Like Alfred has, that's what the issue is with like Batman versus Superman or like the Dark Knight or any of the fucking, the Zack Snyder one specifically too. Because I'll go into those in a minute. But they always try to focus on Bruce Wayne and they do Bruce Wayne okay, but they don't do Batman well because they don't know how to balance these two.
00:19:15
Speaker
Because first and foremost, he's Batman before he's a socialite. Because once his parents died, Alfred was trying to protect him. So he learned martial arts. He learned how to be. He learned how to be Batman before he learned how to be social. He didn't know how to take over. Alfred was doing all the work and then Bruce had to learn how to do that. They did that first and that was such a good characterization for him.
00:19:39
Speaker
Whereas, like, and they did it right, like, they did a dark Bruce Wayne without having to fucking make it. Zack Snyder, um, trigger warning. Uh, Zack Snyder in an interview said that he wanted his Bruce Wayne to be darker, so he wanted him to be prison-raped. Yeah, oh, you didn't know this? I thought I told you this. No, you're right, you did say this, and I think- whoops, mention this to me too. Yeah, he's like, you know how we make this Bruce Wayne darker? He's got a dead pair- he's got dead parents, lots of trauma, um,
00:20:09
Speaker
Let's also make him an essay. Let's make him a victim. Yeah. That's not. That got cut, luckily. But he was like, yeah, let's do it. God. It's like, no. No. Yeah. I also. So like a couple of nights ago, I read Batman Year One. Yeah. Which is from 1988. It's only four issues long. It's a great little little book because you can get it like the graphic novel condensed version. If you just want to read the issues, it's Batman 404 through 407.
00:20:39
Speaker
But at the end of it, whenever he will like, and it's like the end of issue two out of that so like at the end of forest five, he is bleeding out in his study with a bell in his hand and it's like if I ring this bell, Alfred will come.
00:20:58
Speaker
but I don't know who Bruce Wayne is, I don't know what I'm doing, I don't know what I'm doing wrong because it was his first night of trying to go fight crime after he's just come back to Gotham after training for 13 years and he doesn't get it and a bat breaks through his window and then he has this moment and he's like talking to his dead father and saying like, yes, father, this is who I will become, I will become the bat and
00:21:25
Speaker
I think that this movie really captured that moment of like, what do I become? Who the fuck is Bruce Wayne? I just know what I have to be, but I don't know how to get there. And it's him figuring that out. And yes, he got the first few steps, but he's still walking. He's not quite running. You know what I mean?
00:21:47
Speaker
But I just feel like it captured that same energy that year one had really well. I was really happy that it also outgrew the vengeance thing. That's a spoiler for more towards the end when he's like, I don't want to be just vengeance. I want to help people, bro. And that's why he makes his priority, not punishment, but actually helping. Because the entire time, Catwoman's shit's not getting done. Punishment's not doing enough. We got to do more. Everyone is like, that's one of the huge things is that all these people are getting away with shit. They're not learning.
00:22:17
Speaker
We need to help the people who are getting left behind that's like with the whole thing with the renewal how he believed that's how it was because he didn't know and he wasn't looking into his dad's stuff. But that was always like his thing was the renewal, we're going to help the people who are being left behind. And then it's like, oh, shit, it's all corrupt. No one is being helped. And so he's just like, well,
00:22:37
Speaker
gotta come through and it changes his entire respective so he's not there for vengeance anymore he doesn't care about making that up he got his when he knew what happened who killed his parents and blah blah blah and that was served even if like
00:22:52
Speaker
Falcone wasn't allowed to die, blah, blah, blah. That was both of their vengeance against what happened, but he didn't need that further. He didn't push it on his own. He was there for her more than anything else. Did I just say a bunch of words that made sense or no?
00:23:12
Speaker
No, yeah, I get it because like it's him trying to figure out not only what he as an individual stands for, but also what is he going to stand for alongside Gotham. And something that brought to my attention is that previous live action movies, aside from like the Tim Burton ones,
00:23:29
Speaker
haven't really captured that Gotham itself is also a character. Yeah. Like Gotham is a living, breathing entity in these stories and that's why like the animated series captures it so well because to make sure that it caught this essence of what Gotham is, it's all animated on black paper because of fucking course you would start with the darkest option possible
00:23:53
Speaker
because you want to make sure that you maintain that overwhelming ambiance that the city has. And this movie does it really well, and also in the context of Batman trying to figure out who he is within Gotham. And the Gotham renewal plot within the film really, really ties that home, I think. I agree. Fuck yeah. I'm glad they went
Catwoman and Batman Film Reflections
00:24:16
Speaker
over it. I also just love that Selena dug into fucking Falcone's face.
00:24:20
Speaker
Give them that scar usually like that's not usually her backstory. She's really not related to Falcone It's only in some lines where they do that Usually her parents are ambiguous in what sense it depends on the background, but I like that one for her I like the independence. I like her working there to protect other girls Very in character for her. I just love her. She's so cute
00:24:46
Speaker
Actually, I love that Zoe Kravitz got to play her because in the Nolan movie, she was told she was too urban to be Catwoman. That's why people like... Who was it? Who was it? Who was it? Who was it? Who was it? Who was it? I can't think of her name right now. In what? Anne Hathaway. That's why Anne Hathaway was casted because Zoe Kravitz was too ethnic despite her voicing Catwoman prior to that.
00:25:09
Speaker
Despite Catwoman literally being not completely white in several comic rooms. Well, also she voiced Catwoman in one of the animated movies prior to that happening. So she's already played Catwoman. That's why she's like, all right, I'll audition for Catwoman for this movie. And then they didn't pick her, they picked Anne Hathaway.
00:25:29
Speaker
And Anne Hathaway's Catwoman was balls. I like Anne Hathaway a lot, but she just doesn't fit that type of character in my opinion. Anne Hathaway hasn't been in a good movie since Ella Enchanted. I'll Die on the Hill. Fuck you. Oh my god. She really said it. It was so good, dude. Yeah, Zoe Kravitz is a perfect Catwoman. She's always been a perfect Catwoman. I love her.
00:25:55
Speaker
She's amazing. Also, another praise to the production of the movie is that too often, historically in Hollywood, and not even just in the US, it's also in other countries as well with their film direction, is that there's this giant age gap in the actors, particularly with their love interests, and that female love interests are usually in their 20s, like mid 20s.
00:26:19
Speaker
maybe up to 29 or 30, very rarely over age 30. The actors, the male actors, the male leads can be what fucking ever age they want. And it doesn't matter. And it doesn't really change until they need like a mom character and then they'll start casting women that are over age 35. If that, sometimes they still go younger. Zoe Kravitz is 33 and Robert Pattinson is 37.
00:26:45
Speaker
And not only do they have awesome chemistry on screen, awesome chemistry in all their promotional photography that they did, all their behind the scenes stuff, they're so sexy. But they're also reasonably aged, reasonably and believably aged to be in that kind of romantic involvement, because they're not quite a relationship. But their involvement in general isn't gross or weird, and it feels
00:27:12
Speaker
Right, like everything fits in place with that and I really appreciated that. Yeah, I agree with you I just liked I feel like I was movie we had so much to talk about about this movie But we're also the point where she's like I like it. So I don't know what else to say. I just like it I like it. I like it. I just like it. I I
00:27:35
Speaker
Like, I remember going to see The Dark Knight in theaters, I think that came out in what, 2009? Yes, 2009. So I would have been 13 at the time.
00:27:50
Speaker
And I remember going to see it with both my parents. I was so stoked. I was so into it. I was like, wow, this is amazing. But I remember there being a point in the film where it just kind of lost me on what about this is Batman now. And there was, I think it was like right before the hospital scene, like where Joker dresses up as the soldier. And like wakes up his makeup. I think good about those movies was the Joker.
00:28:19
Speaker
And he was a fantastic character. Like Heath Ledger's Joker was amazing. He's a phenomenal actor, but that wasn't the Joker to me. It was a really amazing villain and a fantastic performance, but it wasn't the Joker to me. There's only one
00:28:41
Speaker
Yeah, and I mean, I think it's valid. I think that the the Nolan movies have a lot of nostalgia around them, but I don't think that they hold up as much as a lot of people want to claim. So I just I just remember thinking that like there was a point in The Dark Knight that really lost me and I stopped paying attention to what part of this was Batman and it just kind of felt like a generic action movie at that point. Never did I reach that moment in this one.
00:29:05
Speaker
I feel like every second was utilized very effectively, especially for the Riddler being the main rogue, because you have to build up, you have to have that suspense with the Riddler, because he has to lay out all of his plans and his clues, and they did that really well. Of course, he's not super goofy Riddler, so he's still a little different, but I still feel like they translated him to screen way better than Nolan did for the Joker. I agree.
00:29:28
Speaker
I completely agree. I don't know. I thought those movies did not hold up. I watched them when they first came out when I was a kid and then I tried to watch them again like two, three years ago and I couldn't do it. They felt like they were trying way too hard to be dark. They felt like they were just good performances in separate isolated like areas, but they didn't hold up as an overall Batman movie. I just, I think until this movie, there hasn't been a good like live action Batman in at least like 20 years.
Future Batman Villains and Film Speculations
00:29:58
Speaker
Oh yeah, prior to this movie, the best live-action Batman was 1989 with Michael Keaton. And that's because it's not afraid to be goofy, it's not afraid to be weird, it's not afraid to embrace the fact that it's from a fucking comic. And you cannot get a better Joker in live-action than Jack Nicholson. You just can't. He just fits it so perfectly.
00:30:21
Speaker
Agree. But also, if Mark Hamill came- Prove me wrong, Hollywood! If Mark Hamill came and played live-action Joker, I also wouldn't be opposed. I would scream. I would scream. Can we get this man in it? Can we get this man back in it? I mean, he still voices Joker for like all the games and the movies and shit.
00:30:40
Speaker
Yeah, he's still really involved with the animated stuff. But like, oh, I would love it if we got a Mark Hamill Joker, or if we did like the Dark Knight Rises, or not Rises, the Dark Knight Returns as a live action and had like an older Bruce and an older Joker. That'd be interesting. We could get it get Mark Hamill up in there.
00:31:03
Speaker
Agree, I think so too. I feel like I'm doing a really bad job of talking. I feel like I'm burnt. I feel like I've lost my brain. I feel like I told all my fun stories before we started the episodes and I was just like, I really liked Batman. I really, really liked Batman. I just enjoyed a movie that didn't feel like it was for the same Marvel crowd. I liked the humor in this movie. I liked that it was not just like,
00:31:31
Speaker
Gotcha ha ha he like Marvel humor like the last as I've made infinity war fucking unbearable for me I don't give a fuck what anyone says. I hated infinity war. I hated endgame Terrible. I hated them both. I like Marvel movies, but I hated those ones Yeah, I agree for Ragnarok a work of art endgame. Oh Jesus. Okay It's like they so you are not
00:31:58
Speaker
Oh, you are not the first person to tell me that. Bianca, one of the hosts of Art Pop Talk, one of my good friends, which if you haven't checked out their show, go listen to their podcasts, they're also on Spotify and Apple Podcasts, texted me right after she watched this Batman and she's like, oh my God, this was such a breath of fresh air after watching all those fucking Marvel movies.
00:32:22
Speaker
and saying specifically that the humor in particular, it was so nice to just have these little moments where, yeah, you don't have to laugh, but if you find it humorous, awesome, because that's a moment that felt more human and not like, get it? It's a reference. It's a joke. It's because Marvel always does like the pause for humor. You're like, okay. But there were parts of this movie that were funny as fuck. Like when Penguin thinks he's getting away and he looks over and just, oh shit.
00:32:52
Speaker
Funny. Funny to me. The C- L-L-Ratta-La-Ratta. Funny as hell. My favorite thing, when you put that in the episode resources, the willjack of them pointing at the bat with the rat with the wings on it. Thank you. Make sure you put that in the resources. It's really important. It's a good episode. It's a good meme. It's true. That's so good. I love how bad they try to hold on to that. The entire time they're like,
00:33:22
Speaker
Falcon, penguin, a rat with actual wings. Pigeon. My favorite was like really for a minute, like pigeon. They were on pigeon for like a minute. He didn't think of any other birds, anything just pigeon. Pigeon.
00:33:45
Speaker
I really appreciated how traditionally the Riddler's Hole thing is he has to be the smartest and he has to outsmart Bruce Wayne. I liked that in this one he accomplished it and still got mad about it. He outsmarted me.
00:34:12
Speaker
Honestly, you know with a part with the district attorney, how did he not hear Bruce giving the answers? I Think he did but just didn't care if I was him and I was like, what is this? He's like Hey, hey She helping you about bullshit up right now. She helping you
00:34:43
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So I know you are not active on Twitter on Twitter on tumblr anymore But for those of you that are active on tumblr or even aren't it's going fucking nuts with Riddler Batman ship stuff right now and
00:34:58
Speaker
They're like, oh, this Riddler is so in love with Batman. He's so fucking in love with Batman. He got so mad when he was like, we could work together out of Arkham. He baits, and Batman's like, no, fuck you. Like, that was, that was not him screaming in defeat. That was a break up saw. My man's sad. He thought they were in love forever.
00:35:20
Speaker
He thought he was writing little Mr. Batman Riddler in his little journal, carving it into his little prison wall.
00:35:31
Speaker
Oh my god. It cracks me up how much ship stuff is on there right now. For a moment, I thought that it was Harvey Dent in the hospital or in the prison because of his weird face because he's not wearing makeup, but he's still kind of mutilated all the cheek you can see. And then he started laughing. He's like, what the fuck are we doing? Who is this? Because it's a new Joker. Like, who are you?
00:35:57
Speaker
I'm not excited for a new joker for a minute. I was screaming like, if this fucking Jared Leto, I'm gonna kill myself. I'm gonna kill. I'm gonna commit dead. No more Jared Leto. I don't think they have the rights to use Jared Leto's joker.
00:36:16
Speaker
Well, just because DC doesn't mean that they have... They do, because in the opening trailer thing for the DC EU and the movie trailer where they list Aquaman and stuff like that, those are all in the same collection as Jared Leto Joker. Yeah, but that wasn't in this opening. Yes, it was. There was an opening that played that had Black Adam and Aquaman.
00:36:44
Speaker
And this Batman all lined up. Did you not have this part of the trailer for you at the beginning? Oh, this isn't the previews of like, you know how Marvel does their flip through of all their stuff? That's what they did with this, but it was like all of the new upcoming like DC stuff, how they're all in the same universe. Jerry Little Joker is in the same universe as Justice League. Oh no, I do see what, I remember what you're talking about now. Yes, okay. I didn't see that.
00:37:12
Speaker
No more! No more! Well, it really didn't look like him, but I'm just praying to god they don't try. I just want, like, can we get another Bane, please? I want, like, actual- Can we get another s- Like, I want actually Mexican wrestler Bane, not a white man who is tortured. Can we?
00:37:34
Speaker
Can we get another fucking scarecrow, please? I think that would be cool. Could we get Poison Ivy? We haven't had her since the fucking 90s. It would be really neat if we threw her in there. Give me Harley Quinn. Throw Margot Robbie in there. Why the fuck not? I hope we get more. I really hope we get more. We probably won't with the way that this film is like...
00:38:02
Speaker
pitched right now just like right now it would be a rush to throw in everybody and I hope they don't because that's what happened to spider-man 3 where they're like fuck it throw in everyone now when you're like I can't I can't keep up so I hope that they do but they don't marvel it up and overfill everything I hope they take it at a really good pace yeah
00:38:24
Speaker
I hope they give Bruce time to mature into other villains. It's probably sounding like Joker is gonna be the next one.
Film Length, Pacing, and Side Conversations
00:38:31
Speaker
If this one does get approved for a sequel, which it has not been yet, but it more than likely will with the success. Really disappointing that Robert Pattinson is not gonna do porn now though. Really heartbroken about it. Really fucked up. I think that's why Ben Shapiro said this movie sucked. No, Ben Shapiro hated this movie because it's a criticism of rich white men.
00:38:54
Speaker
Did you see someone like quote retweeted him and said, oh, if this bitch hates a movie, you know that shit gon' be fire? Yeah. Yeah. Especially if it's a criticism about rich people. But I'm hoping that whatever they go with next, if this does get approved for a sequel, I hope it's the same amount of time. I liked three hours. Normally, I can't sit through three hours of a movie. Three hours of The Matrix sucked balls.
00:39:21
Speaker
Three hours of endgame. Well they were also showing like old footage in The Matrix and in Endgame it was just kind of look at look at how many people we can shove in this time No, I still haven't because you hate it so much. It's true. You gotta watch it just to watch it. I know we gotta watch the new screen with Rey. I'm gonna see it with Gavin and Eli and then they're gonna make me watch the Greasy Strangler. Have you seen the Greasy Strangler? No, what the fuck is that?
00:39:52
Speaker
What is that? What is that supposed to just make you uncomfortable? Oh, like our friend Dan has walked out and like threatened you I like if you make me if you even mentioned this movie by name, we will not be friends anymore. Oh my god, and how how uncomfortable are we? Here you go. I'll send you the IMDB for it if you want to read over that. Okay. Great. Oh, I don't like that.
00:40:20
Speaker
cover art. Ew, 2016? Ronnie runs a disco walking tour with his son Braden. When a sexy woman takes the tour, it begins a competition between father and son for her love. It also signals the arrival of an oily strangler who stalks the streets at night. It's a love triangle with a weird greasy man.
00:40:45
Speaker
Ew, I don't like how he looks. I know! And they're like, we're gonna make you watch it. Like, Big Ronnie? His name is Big Ronnie? And Big Braden. And Big Paul. And Big Fattius? Yeah. Danny the crooner. Big Heine! Ricky Prickles.
00:41:06
Speaker
Tour taker tours. Oh my god No, I don't want anything. Yeah, so I'll let you know how bad this fucking movie is if it makes me sick I know it's a comedy horror. Okay. Oh I love horror comedy pictures look terrifying. Just sounds horrific Just sounds icky. I just this makes me this is my ick
00:41:29
Speaker
Yeah, very squicked out by that concept. If you want to watch good horror comedies, you should watch The Voices. That's good.
00:41:39
Speaker
It's really fun. Ryan Reynolds is the lead and it's all about that he like works in an office and he's
Costume Design and Cosplay Ideas
00:41:46
Speaker
extremely awkward and all he wants to do is like ask this co-worker that he has a crush on on a date, but he's just so bad. He is so bad at asking her out that it looks like he's a serial killer.
00:41:59
Speaker
with with how bad he keeps making all these mistakes and stuff like he offers to give her a ride home because it's in the rain and it's dark and then he like gets really nervous and so he like goes off the road because he's having a hard time paying attention to driving and he like runs into a tree in the woods and then she gets out of the car because she's scared and so he's like chasing her down and he like accidentally kills her somehow and so it just becomes this whole snowball of that and he's like oh
00:42:26
Speaker
Oh jeez, I'm so sorry. I didn't mean I don't mean it. I'm so sorry like the whole time I like I think my favorite still my favorite comedy horror is always gonna be Tucker and Dale versus evil It's just so I've never Never seen that one. It's on Netflix. It's the best movie of all fucking time. It's two rednecks who are in a cabin
00:42:48
Speaker
But their cabin happens to be next to a cabin full of teeny, like, horny teenagers who are going away. And they're terrified. But these dudes are just existing and then it gets crazy. Please God, it is so fucking funny. Please watch it. It's the best. We'll have to watch it together. I got me and Ryan got really high and watched it when he was here for my birthday the first year because this is the first time seeing it. Whoo. I love that movie.
00:43:17
Speaker
There's a horror comedy that I want to watch called Frankenhooker. My mom has seen that. My mom has it on DVD, I think. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Did she like it? I have to ask. OK, I just I still need to watch it. It looks really fun. It does. I like. God damn. Mm hmm. God damn. I just I like horror movies that are funny, but not like. Yeah, I hate and not woejacking it.
00:43:47
Speaker
I love doing blowjack faces, I think they're funny as fuck. Oh my god. You can't see, I just blowjacked for like a minute straight. She did, it was delightful. Got that! Me watching Robert Pattinson on screen. I also like that his suit wasn't a full complete suit, I like that it was just like hard top and then pants with
00:44:15
Speaker
some pouches on okay okay hold on hold the fuck on any time that he started just stalking towards the camera and all you can hear is his boots hit the ground I was like oh baby baby
00:44:38
Speaker
I was so fucking turned on at the sound of these boots hitting the floor. I cannot explain it to you. I have no, do not ask me to give you a logical reason. I cannot. I just know that I heard that and saw him coming out of the shadows and was like, I don't want to be a criminal to see him throw me into that wall. Sir.
00:45:05
Speaker
only goth cowboys that's what he was except instead of his boots you don't know what actually wears spurs right yeah but you would still hear him clinking if they did
00:45:26
Speaker
But that's the clink isn't what I care about. It's the heavy weight that comes with the boots. That's what I care about. I care about the power behind it. The fact that if he kicked me with that, I would, all my ribs would just shatter. And that's hot. I'm gonna go start shopping bro. You gotta become a master cat burglar and maybe he'll marry me. Little graffiti, you're gonna get your neck broken. You jump a turnstile on the subway.
00:45:57
Speaker
Listen, if I have to go and steal jewels so that I can fuck Batman on a rooftop, I might. You gotta do, but you have to be like fit enough to get to that rooftop. You do? Well, you gotta do. I was talking to my coworkers and I made a comment about how I loved the movie so much that I wanted to do costumes of Catwoman and Batman with Woop at some point. And one of my coworkers goes, oh yeah, who's gonna be who? Like, you know? Obviously, you or Batman.
00:46:24
Speaker
I could probably talk whooping to getting into a cat suit and I ran it by him. This is my boyfriend. Oh my god. I'm just five foot two and a quarter. I'm the knight. I am the knight. But I ran the cat suit past whoop and he was like, you know, maybe I will. So maybe we'll get whooping in a cat woman cosplay.
00:46:54
Speaker
We can dream. I think that'd be fun. But we have to do the one where it covers his face. We got to be the big ass goggles that cover his face. We can do the first ever costume where she wears the god awful cat head. Go get one of those Halloween like cat masks that look terrible because it would be accurate. It would. That's a bad mask is accurate. Yeah. Oh my god. It's a terrible thought.
00:47:22
Speaker
I am so fucked. Like a month ago I was DMing you specifically like fuck Bruce. I don't care about the Bat Kids. I only care about the Bat Kids. I don't care about Jason Todd and fucking Damian, Batgirl and Dick Grayson, shit like that. No one else. And now I'm like Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, Bruce, hello sir. You didn't even know half of the Bat Kids. You were still missing like
00:47:49
Speaker
Cassandra Cain and Stephanie Brown and the new dude Thomas. I almost said Jim. Tim Drake. Jim Gordon. Jim Gordon is now a bat kid.
00:48:04
Speaker
If anything, he's like honorary bat uncle. He doesn't know Bruce's identity still though. Like in almost every single run, he does not know Batman's identity. Everyone else knows but him. But him. But they're supposed to be best friends. Jimmy, come on. Get your shit together. Bro, have you seen Gotham by Gaslight? I have not yet. I'm going to. It's so good. It's so good. I think it's my favorite animated
00:48:33
Speaker
Batman movie. It's amazing. And Jim Gordon and that is really interesting. So Harley Quinn, the series did Jim Gordon the best. Incorrect. They did Jim Gordon the worst. He's the only one through his divorce. He's bugging his kid. He wants to be Batman's best friend. He's living in her dorm with him. Because the police were overthrown by Harley Quinn. Remember?
00:48:59
Speaker
I know, I know the story. It's funny. I just can't get over him walking out in a towel being like, all right, bye. Yeah, they do the best.
00:49:11
Speaker
Mm-hmm. Anyways, I love you barber Gordon. I love you bat family fuck Superman. I don't care about Superman Woop loves Superman like does not really care that much about Batman loves Superman And I'm the complete opposite like get this boy scout out of my sight if he's not bleeding and sad I don't care when he's wholesome with Lois
00:49:36
Speaker
I just don't like how they've treated him trying to make him edgy in movies. I don't like when he kills people. Why the fuck are you burning down a million buildings? This is kind of... Stop. But I like when he's happy with Lois. Yeah, you might like Red Sun. Red Sun's pretty good so far. I'm reading it right now. I'm halfway through it. I watched a movie for Red Sun and I did read some line.
00:50:02
Speaker
I like the Batman in that one. He's unhinged. He is off the goop. Oh my god. I'm exhausted. There's this big Russian man just like causing mayhem. Damn. Damn. That sure was an episode where I thirsted constantly. I agree with you.
00:50:32
Speaker
I was there with my dad. I had to be behaved and toned down. I had to look at him with respect. I could not look at him with my horny gaze, but I had one.
Humorous Segments and Listener Engagement
00:50:47
Speaker
There was one minute, I can't remember what scene it was, but I think he hit someone different. It means we were like... Like we knew before, like, you know?
00:50:59
Speaker
I don't remember which tune it was. Oh, I have one more criticism. Alfred was studying the first fucking, yes, cypher. He was staring at that note and the cypher.
00:51:15
Speaker
How the fuck did he not recognize the handwriting on the package? He's like, this is a good idea. And then open it anyways. You were looking at the handwriting. There's no return address. It just says, for Bruce, or for Bat, didn't it? Yeah, it said for Bruce Wayne. It says, it says for Bruce Wayne's eyes only, and then it opens up and says to Batman. Yeah, but the bomb is once you open the package, the bomb sets.
00:51:39
Speaker
But why did he see the packaging where it's shitty written? He's like, this makes sense. My man's kind of typed out a label. No, that's not his MO. He has to have the style about it. He could have done that on the note inside and then put a basic label on it. So Alfred, who's seen this hand... Oh, I guess he wouldn't know that Alfred has seen the handwriting.
00:52:02
Speaker
Yeah, and also, you think the Riddler is gonna want to type up shit? He's gonna want to be like, my boyfriend's gonna look at this and he's gonna know it's my- But the part exploded! That part exploded! The package exploded! But he wouldn't know to open it. Well, Bruce- If it didn't have his handwriting on it.
00:52:21
Speaker
doesn't know the handwriting. He's not in love with Bruce Wayne. No, I'm talking Bruce. I'm not talking actual Bruce from his perspective. He does not know that Bruce Wayne is Batman. Yes, he does. That's the whole point. That's the whole point why in Arkham he goes in like very slowly says Bruce Wayne over and over to him. No, my man's does not realize he's just grasping. It's being dramatic so you think he knows.
00:52:44
Speaker
I think you even said earlier the Riddler figures not in this one He's like literally states it he's like I know you bitch. He's very very uppity about it But um either way Alfred what the fuck Yesterday you looked at this handwriting fucking day and you're like, you know what?
00:53:07
Speaker
Alfred's got combat medical training. He has seen war, and he's like, literally the bees are all fucked up. He's like, this makes sense. He brought like four bees on it. You know what? Still better than spring trees. But make it make sense, Alfred. Damn. Jesus Christ. You want to roll into our bits? I would love to roll into our bits. All right. Do I me go first? You want to go first? Have I had an out of care for five days or in a minute?
00:53:36
Speaker
Oh. No, I don't think you have. Yeah, I do. When you were sick on February 20th- Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. We haven't done this for a minute, so I want to give a little intro. We like to embarrass each other by reading DMs completely out of context live on the pod every single time we record an episode. So now you can embarrass me. Sorry, hold on, I got a text I have to respond to.
00:54:03
Speaker
Oh, yeah, okay. Yeah, sure. Take your time. It's not like we're recording. Well, it was about what we're doing. So I need to like, know how to eat dinner tonight. Um, when you were sick on February 20th, which would have been in the fucking like barely after we filmed the episode if you know, post it. Um, you said how do I know I'm healing you ask, I can finally take a shit without feeling like my soul is gonna leave him out my ass. That's very true.
00:54:33
Speaker
You really did think you were going to die, though. Alright, here's another one for you. This was March 7th. This was this week. At 3.25 p.m., you DM'd me and said, I feel like Patrick Bateman, except for instead of having homicidal urges, I'm trying to not shit myself.
00:54:53
Speaker
It's because, you know, the scene where he's walking down the hall. No, but no, you know, the scene where he's determined walking down the hallway. That was me dodging every conversation from my coworkers, like marching. I'm going to fucking lose it. Everyone tried to talk to me on that path out. It's like, I can't do it. Amazing. Oh, man. What an episode. What an episode we have.
00:55:20
Speaker
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00:55:49
Speaker
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00:56:13
Speaker
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00:56:43
Speaker
Yeah, all right. See you then see you then