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Lost In The Animation - Animated Horror
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This week we're taking a look at some animation horror films! We discuss Perfect Blue and Belladonna of Sadness
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Catching Up After a Break
00:00:15
Speaker
perfect blue more like nervous poo welcome to lost in the frame i'm your host tachi i'm your host malik and i'm your host alex what's up guys think i regret that one forever it really does even though i saw guys yesterday how long has it been since we recorded three weeks uh i think so yeah Roughly.
00:00:40
Speaker
What have we been up to? What's been going on?
New Job and Horror Movies
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Speaker
I got a new job. but So much. change I was unemployed for two days. It was literally the best time of my life.
00:00:54
Speaker
How did you spend those two days? I just watched movies. That's so nice. Anything notable car? I've been I've been i was ripping some horror movies. I did. ah I did Hell House LLC and then the two movies we ah talked about.
00:01:09
Speaker
ah For this episode. Nice. thought you what have you been up to.
Tachi's Sunburn Adventure
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um Went on a trip out of the country. So i was fun. It was much needed.
00:01:22
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I got to experience um going to resort for but the first time. So that was really, really cool. Did you tan at all? Do you tan? Yeah, I'm actually in the process of peeling right now.
00:01:35
Speaker
Oh, my arms, you burn? I can kind of see it in the camera. Yeah. Not like the peeling, but the... Yeah, there's a little bit of color on my cheeks, but... you're You're a nice shade of a light brown right now. Yeah, more so on my arms.
00:01:48
Speaker
don't know if you can tell it from the glow, but... No, it's it's nice to be tan. I prefer being tan, if I can be. You're a little less racially ambiguous now. Less?
00:01:59
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I thought it'd be more so. Maybe more. More like chi.
Malik's Glasses and Vision Humor
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Alex, you didn't comment on my new look, by the way. What the glasses? ah got glasses. I feel like you've had glasses. I haven't. I have seen this is not the first time I've seen you wearing. in Yes, it is. I'm not sure I believe you.
00:02:23
Speaker
It 100% is I've never had glasses. Do not gaslight me. I'm not gaslighting you. Tachi immediately noticed. It was new for me. Yeah. Yeah. Why did you get glasses?
00:02:34
Speaker
Because I went to the eye doctor and they said, you need glasses. Why did you believe them? um Because things were getting a little bit blurry. Looking at my computer screen, I'm writing an email. I'm like, I just found myself straining a lot and like going like like leaning forward.
00:02:52
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ah Sure enough.
00:02:55
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So for our listeners out there, um when I first met Malik and Tachi, I was wearing glasses. And because I have like 2019 vision.
00:03:08
Speaker
My left eye is like a little bit out of it.
00:03:12
Speaker
Uh, two years ago Worst Fest in New Braunfels, I lost that pair of glasses and I still have not been to the eye doctor to get a new prescription. Is that what happened? Yeah, I've just been raw dogging vision this whole time.
00:03:27
Speaker
Yeah, that was the first time I went to the eye doctor. Maybe ever. I'm not sure. Maybe middle school. Like I just remember doing the cover your left eye. Yeah. Cover your
Animated Horror Films
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right eye. They still do that, but they've got some pretty cool advancements in their technology.
00:03:42
Speaker
though We've come a long way. I'm scared to go because they dilate the eyes with the thing and I don't want to like drive home. Driving is okay, but working on a computer is basically impossible.
00:03:56
Speaker
I feel like driving home with dilated eyes is like drunk driving simulator. Not too bad. At least not that I can remember. Here we go. Here's a boys night out idea. Ready? We get our eyes dilated.
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We have a few small beers.
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We drive home. We drive home.
00:04:18
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Separately. How does that sound? To our parents. Whoever gets home wins. To our parents listening. This is for legal purposes a joke.
00:04:30
Speaker
It's a joke. I'm joking. But for fun purposes, maybe not a joke. We're so serious. you You should not try this. We're not advising you to try this, but you could try it.
00:04:44
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You have free will. Did you get emotional when you put on the glasses for the first time and you could see better? Um... No, no.
00:04:56
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Because it's not like I'm not blind without them. OK. But I could see improvements on a computer screen. Like the other day I was edit I was editing the podcast and I was like adjusting some of the levels and I couldn't see the number and I was like, oh, my glasses.
00:05:11
Speaker
I put them on and then it was clear as day and it wasn't. And it was just like I put my head down. Velma.
00:05:22
Speaker
I only because I cried when I put on my glasses for the first time. In a positive? Yeah, because it was life-changing. oh I don't know why I didn't put the dots. I couldn't connect the dots, but...
00:05:35
Speaker
I always had to walk to the front of the class to see the board and like write down my notes in school. Why did they just put you in the front? I don't know. i had to do it every day.
00:05:47
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and like, no one asked me about it. No one talked to me about it. was just blind and everyone knew but me. Your teacher has to be a bad person. you're They watched you. Yeah, I cried. It was really crazy.
00:06:02
Speaker
I'm happy for you. Yeah, thanks. Do you wear glasses? uh like at night okay the last couple hours that i'm awake you have contacts yeah i wear contacts constantly okay well now i sleep but yeah i hope not no anyway welcome to episode two of spooktober yes scary For this episode, we're diving into some animated horror.
Discussing 'Perfect Blue'
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Speaker
We're going to be talking about Perfect Blue and Belladonna of Sadness. But I first wanted to ask you guys, do you guys remember your first animated horror movie?
00:06:42
Speaker
I mean, do we count like Bleach? like Maybe? Like Bleach movies? I don't think so. Then I can pinpoint you the exact, probably first anime horror movie I saw in it.
00:06:54
Speaker
Pretty sure it was perfect glue three years ago. Really? Yeah. There's not many anime horror movies that are like horror movies. Yeah, there's really there's really not. But like I think I'm looking for like a... we can You can throw in like the kid horror movies.
00:07:12
Speaker
Like, there was a lot of, like, animated kid movies that are, like, family-friendly, quote-unquote. Animated? Or anime? I'm going animated, not anime. Ah. Yeah. What was your first animated movie film? Oh. Oh.
00:07:27
Speaker
What'd you say, Tachi? I think you cut out. I think mine was Monster House. I was going to say Monster House. Yeah. I was thinking Monster House. I don't know if Nightmare Before Christmas would kind of count in that, but Monster House was bit scary.
00:07:41
Speaker
I think Nightmare Before Christmas counts. Like the first 20-25 minutes. Scooby-Doo Zombie Island is terrifying. Oh, Scooby. Yeah. That counts.
00:07:52
Speaker
Scooby-Doo Zombie Island I actually think is... Like as a kid, it was really scary. It was. i I don't know how many times I saw the whole thing.
00:08:04
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Because it was really hard to sit through. Not a movie, but Courage the Cowardly Dog was really freaky. It was freaky. The slab. Can you give us a can it was a Scooby impression?
00:08:17
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A Scooby impression? Yeah. ah Like Zoinks Scoob. We got a good shaggy.
00:08:27
Speaker
Scoot was like a... It's like a... It's like a... It's kind of... good What sounds like that?
00:08:39
Speaker
Raggy. Raggy. Raggy. ro reggie
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Speaker
I would say Zombie Island is pretty scary. I'd count that. As far as horror animation, Alex, you brought up that like your first anime horror movie was just a few years ago. I feel like there's very limited options when it comes to the horror genre in the animated space.
00:09:01
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Seems
'Perfect Blue' and Fan Culture
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to be that way. When when I was looking for. so i mean, we we picked this episode because Perfect Blue was release re-released in theaters with a remaster.
00:09:14
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um and We were like, oh, we could do like animated horror movies to so Tachi, like, you wouldn't hate himself this month. Yeah. But I had to Google like a list of um animated horror movies so we could pair. like It was like I Googled best animated horror movies. And it was like, oh, perfect blue. And I'm like.
00:09:38
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That's not helpful, but ah almost every one that I saw was like a movie that was like a part of a series. so It's just like, yeah, I'm not picking that because I'm not watching.
00:09:50
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Three seasons of something to get context. Taking a look at the ah this IMDB list that I'd put its best of animated horror for the first like maybe 20.
00:10:02
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They're all before the year 2000. But then we're getting to like courage the cowardly dog Billy and Mandy salad fingers things like that. So it's and yeah I still love that show. Yeah that's a good throwback.
00:10:14
Speaker
Yeah that was a really funny show. I feel like that that was one of the shows that that built my underrated. Yeah. Yeah I'm not recognizing a lot of these. It's a, it's an underutilized, uh, like sub genre.
00:10:28
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Do you guys think maybe there's just, do you, do you think its it would be harder to connect to an animated horror film, like an adult animated horror film versus something live action? Do you think it's a bit more difficult to maybe evoke the same emotions that you would when you're watching like a, uh, like a hereditary or a midsummer?
00:10:50
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Yes, but I also think animation can produce a very uncanny feeling, which could easily be played upon to replace jump scare in like a Conjuring movie.
00:11:06
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It can you dread, give you eerie feelings. Like, what am I watching? Some of the old, like, Soviet cartoons are, like, super uncanny. They're not, like, scary movies, but it's, like, just weird watching them. It makes uncomfortable. Oh, yeah. How'd you get access to Soviet cartoons?
00:11:23
Speaker
I'd kill you if I told you. have to kill you. No, they're around. um They popped up on the Internet Archive. There's one that I can send to you guys. What's the name of it?
00:11:35
Speaker
I have it written down somewhere. it is... they, when, uh, the genre synth wave, like the eighties throwback, electronic music popped off.
00:11:47
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There was like a small, like genre of music videos, like animated music videos that were these songs set to like old Soviet cartoons.
00:12:00
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And, um, I'm still trying to find this. I thought I had it like written down somewhere and I guess I don't, but I know I, think I ranked it on letter or rated on letterbox. So we have to go all the way to the end of my diary because I know it was right when I started.
00:12:18
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ah Would you consider Akira touch? Have you seen Akira? I've not. It's on my watch list, but I don't know anything about it. I do need to rewatch it because I the first time I had seen it, I was not a fan of it. um One of the movies we're talking about Belladonna of Sadness is number three on this best of animated horror list. But yeah, a lot of this is unfamiliar. See berserk.
00:12:40
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I guess that counts. Yeah. i mean, that's animated horror, that's a whole series. Yeah. I love Berserk though. I love Berserk. I'm almost done reading the prologue of Berserk.
00:12:52
Speaker
You, would um, you, you got stuck reading the prologue. Yeah, i'm I'm almost done and or reading the prologue. Oh, nice. I'm trying to get into it, yeah. I love it. I'm on like compendium number eight or something.
00:13:05
Speaker
Nice. it It's 1973's Miracle, made by Anatoly Petrov. Two minutes long. Why does that name sound familiar? It's vaguely familiar.
00:13:20
Speaker
think you are hallucinating because I look on here and it's nothing that I could imagine you've seen. I must, I must be. Yeah. For, for this list, a handful of names, handful of the names are, are familiar. So, I mean, i would like to see some more animated horror for sure.
00:13:38
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and think you're right, Tachi. I think it is an underutilized, sub-genre of the of the media the possibilities are endless animation the the talent in animation right now is incredible yeah i think they can do some crazy things are you guys ready to get into our first movie yeah Yeah, I think that's a good spot to kick it off to get into our first movie, which is Perfect Blue.
Plot Twists in 'Perfect Blue'
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um And I can go ahead and kick us off with the synopsis here. Okay. So Perfect Blue, directed by Satoshi Kon, released in 1997. A pop singer gives up her career to become an actress, but she slowly goes insane when she starts being stalked by an obsessed fan and what seems to be a ghost of her past.
00:14:20
Speaker
So this was my second rewatch and I believe Alex's second rewatch. Tachi, was this your first? My first watch. What were your general feelings coming out of the theater? So like Alex said, this movie's in theaters right now with the remaster.
00:14:37
Speaker
Definitely would suggest to go see it if you can, if it's playing at a theater near you. But what were your initial feelings walking out of the theater? I was really, don't know. I guess I feel conflicted because sometimes I do really like where not only does the character not understand what is reality,
00:14:58
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but the audience doesn't really know what's reality either. Um, and, and that was used quite a bit in this movie. Um, just really keeps you on edge. You, it makes you want to understand what's happening. Makes you want to see what's coming up next.
00:15:16
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Um, so that was nice. Like I was engaged the entire time. Some of the scenes were a little gratuitous. I don't know if that's just like a product of the times or, or the writer or,
00:15:29
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you know, whatever. But yeah, overall I, I did enjoy it. I did think it was going to be a little more unsettling in terms of like, just like general horror or thriller, but no, it was good.
00:15:47
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And, um, it was nice to like be exposed to this type of I guess genre. Yeah. I think this kind of gives, I think this is the same way.
00:15:59
Speaker
This movie reminds me of cure in a lot of ways. So it's like leaning more towards like that, that serial killer horror. So this isn't really like, uh, ghosts or the paranormal or anything like that, but more of a real world thing that,
00:16:15
Speaker
can happen and has happened um which is where i think a lot of the horror is based out of um but before we do our high medium and low reviews i wanted to ask you guys very important question cham the band in this movie song bangs what do we think of the songs it's so good it's been in my head all day big fan is it on spotify it's gotta be oh that'd be sick wait let me look it up Perfect blue. and I'm pulling it up right now.
00:16:47
Speaker
Is this it? Yes. Sort of. I think it's a cover. but ah ah yeah All right. We'll do our high medium. What do we call this segment? Is it good, better, best, high, medium, low, 5, 3, 1? I don't remember.
00:17:02
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High, medium, low. We'll call it high, medium, low. Sure. All right. I'll kick us off with a five. I have a five star and a four star. The five star just says what the actual fuck.
00:17:12
Speaker
that is apt sure uh four star which i thought was funny that part where her mental health begins to spiral the moment she discovers the internet you're not wrong not wrong nope um who's got a three star i do ah This comes from Jodie Claire.
00:17:33
Speaker
ah Three stars. Perfect Blue was one of the first anime films I ever saw outside of Miyazaki, and I hadn't even seen that many Ghibli films by the time I saw Perfect Blue in college. I came away from that viewing deeply disturbed by the sexual violence in the movie.
00:17:49
Speaker
The sexual violence is still upsetting, but I came away from this viewing more disturbed by the way the movie renders the bodies of its villains grotesque. It lingers with a fascinating disgust on their bodies as their mental instability makes them more and more physically repellent.
00:18:03
Speaker
It didn't sit well with me. My low review is by Julia, one and a half stars. ah they're only There are just only so many sexual assault scenes I can take.
00:18:16
Speaker
It's exhausting that the horror genre is filled with them as they just aren't necessary. You can show fear in a dozen different ways. But with those scenes aside, I really liked the direction this film took and I loved how we never knew if she was dreaming or if it was real life.
00:18:27
Speaker
I definitely didn't see the twist coming, so that was really interesting. I think those are some fair points. I think i would I would put this review more in line with the next film we'll talk about, Belladonna of Sadness.
00:18:39
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um But we'll get there. But i the first question that I wanted to pose is, um and I'll throw it to you, Alex.
Horror Elements of 'Perfect Blue'
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Speaker
How does this work as a horror film for you?
00:18:51
Speaker
I think you hit the nail on the head with it being a lot like Cure. Because it's a very psychologically scary movie. It messes with you a lot. I've definitely seen way worse, like but less scary horror movies than it.
00:19:06
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um It's not a true horror movie. I'm not sure I would go that far, but it's definitely very like horror coded. um There are some pretty unsettling things that happen in the movie.
00:19:21
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um And they're like my three star review mentioned. There are some characters that look a very. Creepy way. They. yeah Yeah, they look a little weird. And when they're on screen, they're very threatening and menacing.
00:19:40
Speaker
Really, it's one guy. And he is just. He's disturbing. Yeah. Right off the bat, he's weird. was his name? Me mania. Me mania. Mr. Me mania.
00:19:52
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Yeah. Who would win? Mr. Pipes or Mr. Me mania?
00:19:58
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I'm taking Mr. Pipes. Yeah, I think so, too. I would be very... like I want to explore the world of animated horror movies more. um I think for this episode, we kind of just wanted to go outside the box a little bit for our Spooktober and try to find some some scary animated movies. But like you said, Alex...
00:20:19
Speaker
this is a lot more psychological as well as belladonna of sadness leaning into different kind of aspects of what horror could be i'd be curious to find kind of like a straight like a straight horror movie that is animated and i don't know we already talked about was called scooby-doo zombie island something they turn into cats at the end body horror yeah
00:20:49
Speaker
unironically better than some of the body horror like some great body horror like no this sucked yeah had a mild amount of gore did you just whisper k Cronenberg yes how did you guys since this was your rewatch how are you guys I guess like interpreting the there's there's kind of a sequence a little past halfway of the movie where she just keeps waking up mm-hmm how How was that whole like repeated dream sequence to you on your second viewing?
00:21:24
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Yeah, I can hit on that. because It was really confusing for me. It is confused. I think the first time you watch it, like like that, that one five star review that just said what the actual fuck like, I think it can be like hard to to step away and be like, OK, like, like fully like, what did I just watch?
00:21:38
Speaker
I think it's a lot easier to digest on a second watch. I will say that entire sequence of her like constantly waking up with and not knowing kind of what's real and what's not yeah was my absolute favorite scene in the in the movie.
00:21:52
Speaker
It's really good because even on a second rewatch, I still was very confused at what was happening. Yeah. Like I knew where it was going and I still couldn't piece it together. The one thing this movie does a really good job at is it doesn't really give you a lot of breadcrumbs.
00:22:09
Speaker
There's like two in terms of like solving the twist. Yeah. And other than that, you don't really have any inkling of what's coming, even on a rewatch besides the fact like, oh, I know that this is what's going to happen.
00:22:25
Speaker
And I think that makes it better because you're kind of left in the dark as much as the character is. a lot of the times a movie will give away too much. This one almost had too little. It was just like, whoa, like, OK.
00:22:36
Speaker
And I think that kind of makes the the twist in it hit a little bit harder. But how did you guys feel about the twist at the end? Because I have thoughts.
00:22:49
Speaker
And I can say mine first. But if you guys have anything to... Unfortunately, i caught wind of it within the first five minutes of the movie. really was It was as soon as ah Rumi was being like dismissive of her ah like whatever she brought up.
00:23:06
Speaker
And she was just focused on setting up the internet or whatever it was. So as soon as that half-second interaction was done, I was like, it's got to be her. I totally forgot, too. so I should have caught it.
00:23:21
Speaker
You don't even know what the plot is when you figure it out. i I don't know. I kind of wish I didn't pick up on it and I could have been surprised. But yeah.
00:23:32
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Oh, well, what are you, Alex? I liked it. I enjoyed it just as much as I did the first time. And it was fairly plausible.
00:23:43
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Mm hmm. All things considered. um I thought it was a very interesting character to choose to do it with. And I actually thought it really worked, especially with the way that this character is presented in the movie itself.
00:24:03
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I think so too. I'm not sure how I felt about it the the second time around. Because like I said, that entire sequence of her constantly waking up and us as the audience not fully knowing what's real and what's not. like I feel like that point in the movie is when I was the most engaged.
00:24:22
Speaker
And for me, I feel like with the twist... of her of her manager kind of being the the puppeteer like behind and some of what's been going on i don't know if it fully works for me the second time around how come i really and just really enjoyed this not knowing like whether Mimi?
00:24:47
Speaker
Mima. Whether Mima is the one actually like committing these crimes where reality is quite literally blurring. like She yeah just made this decision to leave a comfortable life as a pop idol to pursue something else in and acting.
00:25:05
Speaker
And she gets the she gets to this new world and things aren't fully, like she she's just uncomfortable. She doesn't have the level of of of fame or confidence that she did when she's being a pop idol. And I think that's a really interesting struggle, seeing that with with our main character in and her like finding her own sense of self.
00:25:26
Speaker
yeah And as we kind of are on this journey into what we think for a little while, is i or what it is, her her descent into madness, ah dissent into madness I really like the angle that that was taking.
00:25:37
Speaker
And I feel like the foot gets kind of let off the gas a bit with the twist um at the end. Yeah, the the pacing was kind of strange at the end once everything kind of broke down.
00:25:50
Speaker
um What I'm thinking about that dream sequence right now, I wonder if that's just like... panic induced psychosis or something like making her forget what she's doing throughout the day i don't know i don't really know how to rationalize what she was experiencing but i i did like the twist and and it it works for me i think i think i think the last five minutes i guess of of the climax could have been executed a little bit better but
00:26:27
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I think overall it was still fine and I still enjoyed it.
00:26:33
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Like the the chasing, I guess. The chasing is really good. Yeah. Do you guys think this movie is relevant today? With Stan's culture?
00:26:44
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i think i think more so than ever. Yeah, absolutely. I would say I feel like this movie was ahead of it ahead of its time in a way. Have you seen...
00:26:55
Speaker
Taylor Swift defense force in action on the internet right now? The TSDF. I think the any one of them could kill somebody. I think any one of them has the capacity to somebody.
00:27:11
Speaker
That's crazy. Not to the Taylor Swift fans listening, thinking like, what the heck? like I like Taylor Swift. like Why would it mean I kill someone? I'm not talking about you. And you know I'm not talking about you.
00:27:22
Speaker
I'm talking about a very specific kind of person. kind of person who is buying 30 something variations of the same bad album it's just a swift rant i think they have the capacity to kill this is not exclusive to taylor swift nikki minaj stans also have the capacity to kill K-pop stans can be pretty.
00:27:53
Speaker
K-pop stans, I think, have killed.
00:27:58
Speaker
It's basically a little blue. Filipino karaoke stans do kill, like documented killed on stage. I mean, there was a one thing we put out a video recently about someone killing someone because they kept singing my way by Sinatra.
00:28:18
Speaker
Oh, oh, you're serious. I'm serious.
00:28:22
Speaker
Well, that's unfortunate. No, I mean, jokes aside, I think that this is i i unfortunately think parasocial relationships have reached an extremely unhealthy and extremely prevalent point.
00:28:39
Speaker
I'm not saying they're super common, but we all kind of know somebody who's way too obsessed with something. And I think um even with the advent of of streaming, when you can actually interact with these people that you idolize, it it takes it to a whole new level because they're they're right there.
00:28:57
Speaker
You know, you can them. We've been more accessible. Yeah. they're like Responding. Yeah, responding to you in real time. Like it's pretty crazy. It is.
00:29:07
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Standout scenes from this. So I shouted out mine, the entire dream sequence. Any others that you guys wanted to shout out? I love the end, the last shot with the the ghost and all the blood.
00:29:21
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guess such a neat shot. It is. I loved all of the buildup with the who are you line. Oh, that was really cool. Yeah, that was my favorite part of the movie.
00:29:34
Speaker
I thought that was awesome. Least favorite. The first acting scene or sorry, not the first acting scene. The first, um, what was it at the strip club the club scene yeah you know it's hard to watch yeah that's it is hard to watch like even knowing that like what they're doing is for a tv show like you almost forget yeah and we're there just i feel just just a little too long and like just makes you shift a bit uncomfortably in your seat i think
00:30:09
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I think it's like a neat little call out to how exploitative the industry can be, especially ah Japan. And to I think Korea as well with their pop idols.
00:30:21
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Really run them through it. I'm not saying that America doesn't because we absolutely do, but just in a different kind of way. um but You know, there there is some social commentary there.
00:30:38
Speaker
For sure. But it is very hard to watch. Just because there's social commentary doesn't mean it isn't hard to watch. Yeah. Yeah, no, fully agree. um I didn't know that this ah this director also did Paprika.
00:30:50
Speaker
So that is also on my watch list. Satoshi Kon, pound for pound. I've seen all of his movies. Pound for pound, he's up there with the best of them.
00:31:01
Speaker
Unfortunately, he passed at such a young age, he only has like five feature films. How old was he? Oh, like forty s four thirty Satoshi Kon.
00:31:14
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He died of cancer. It was very sad 2010. He was 46. wow. he was forty six oh well But Perfect Blue, Paprika, Tokyo Godfathers, Millennium Actress are like, OK, they're there. Yeah, those are like his core four.
00:31:28
Speaker
And they're all, I think, very good to fantastic. Tokyo Godfathers is a great Christmas movie. They also did work on something that you've been meaning to watch for years, Malik, Memories.
00:31:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Right. Memories.
00:31:45
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And ah he he is like, the like, I mean, if anyone is the definition of gone too soon or like what could have been, it's him. i I think his movies are wonderful. They were all very thoughtful and little weird and wacky and zany, but they all had heart.
00:32:06
Speaker
And he encapsulated something and he and and he was able to capture his mind, i think, way better than a lot of people could ever wish to be. Yeah, I mean, there's so much, is yeah, like you said, there's so much like heart and intention behind this movie.
00:32:21
Speaker
It's just, it's so it's so gripping and enthralling for for its entire runtime. For sure. This is an excellent movie. Here's a hard question.
Final Ratings for 'Perfect Blue'
00:32:32
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We hate remakes.
00:32:33
Speaker
If there was an American live-action remake of Perfect Blue, is there anyone that you guys would want directing or playing that? People keep saying that Black Swan is the American live action remake of Perfect Blue.
00:32:47
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I did see some. I've never seen pieces of one, so mean you can't comment on that. Oh, you guys haven't? Nope. No. So Aronofsky has noted Satoshi Kon as an inspiration in general, but when asked directly about Perfect Blue's relation to Black Swan, he says there's no direct inspiration or correlation between the two.
00:33:13
Speaker
Which I don't see. like there's there's a lot of There's a lot of similarities between this and Black Swan. One battling with one's internal self. Dealing with like self-image and and self-confidence.
00:33:27
Speaker
It's all kind of centered the same. But he he claims most of the inspiration is directly from a ah from an actual like ballet ah play. Or whatever whatever you would call it. so He says no.
00:33:40
Speaker
But the world says Maybe. Probably.
00:33:47
Speaker
Final rating. You ready? Yeah, I'm ready. Cool. Four. Four.
00:34:00
Speaker
Surprise, surprise. I gave this the first time I watched it. I did give it a 4.5, so I did knock it down a bit. Wow, you hate Satoshi Kon. What?
00:34:11
Speaker
Where did you get this? one hater. Just think in eight rewatches, you'll be giving it a half star at this rate. Is that how the world works?
00:34:22
Speaker
Every rewatch movies just get worse. It's statistical. It's trend. You're on pace. There's data. Do you know exactly why you took it down half a star?
00:34:34
Speaker
Um... I think just because of the the ending with having with the with the twist with the manager, having a more like solid footing on like going into this movie and knowing what to expect, I kind of know what I would want to see more of.
00:34:54
Speaker
And so it's not like a make or break or anything like that, but just knocks it down just ever so slightly, but still a very solid movie and still very enjoyable. And I would like to own a copy of it.
00:35:06
Speaker
Move it on. um show nice i'm i' moved I'm scared for this next one. I don't know. Yeah, it's rough.
Content Warning: 'Belladonna of Sadness'
00:35:14
Speaker
Who? all We're going to give a soft content warning for this next movie discussion.
00:35:20
Speaker
And that movie is 1973's Bella Donna of Sadness, directed by Ichi Yamamoto. An evil feudal lord rapes a village girl on her wedding night and proceeds to ruin her and her husband's lives.
00:35:36
Speaker
After she's eventually banished from her village, the girl makes a pact with the devil to gain magical ability and take revenge. If you listen to this with young children, maybe this is not the episode to do it.
00:35:49
Speaker
Clearly by the description, we're going to be talking about some shocking things so if you are sensitive to them i might skip to the next episode yes or listen to one of our previous ones this movie is gonna be graphic and it's gonna be hard to talk around that yeah there's just no cutting it yeah um but We chose it because it was on a list of animated horror movies, and I recognized the title.
00:36:21
Speaker
And... i mean I don't even know how to do a first impression for this one. i don't know. Because am is the first time I'd seen it.
00:36:33
Speaker
And i I went in like knowing that this is what it was about. Like I I read the description. i was like prepared. But I still walked away just like feeling i needed to take a shower with my clothes on.
00:36:48
Speaker
Reading the synopsis from this, I agree with you. like I knew what I was getting into, but I did not know what I was getting into. yeah I was not ready.
00:37:00
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do you You guys have seen Santa Claus is Coming to Town, right? The old animated Christmas movie? No. Okay, Tachi, you got to change that this holiday season.
00:37:11
Speaker
All right. um Malik, you know the bit in the middle when the teacher starts singing? Mm-hmm. And for anyone listening, you know the bit in the middle where the teacher starts singing and it gets like weird and psychedelic?
00:37:28
Speaker
That's what this movie is animated like. It's animated like that sequence, except it's an hour and 20 minutes of just, frankly, gorgeous artwork. Yeah.
00:37:38
Speaker
One of the most uniquely animated and very aesthetically pleasing movies that I've ever seen. Except it's frames and scenes of like the worst thing you can imagine.
00:37:54
Speaker
And then some stuff that's just downright bizarre. Yeah, and like half the shapes are phallic. Yeah. I would wager to say 75% of the shapes are phallic.
00:38:06
Speaker
That's fair. There's a lot of hogs. yeah There's 30 to 50 feral hogs in this movie. If this was released in 2025, this would win our our hog counter.
00:38:17
Speaker
um But this movie was released in 1973, and i agree with you. I think this animation was striking. I've never seen anything like it.
00:38:31
Speaker
The watercolors, all the hand-drawn, everything... The use of like negative space. Yeah. And just like nothing. It was very interesting. Like I think in the first five minutes I was like.
00:38:46
Speaker
I just didn't know where we were going with it. And so I just just kind of let go. And I'm like, OK, like outside of The content.
00:38:57
Speaker
Yeah. This art style is very unique. It's beautiful. And also the music, the soundtrack, this psychedelic prog rock jazz fusion that's just playing for an hour and a half straight is so good.
00:39:15
Speaker
Yeah. Soundtrack was sick, actually. I really, really like the music in this. Me too.
00:39:23
Speaker
Bangers only. but We know bangers. Let's do our highest, mediumist, lowest. Okay. All right.
00:39:34
Speaker
This is a five-star review by Sarah Squirm. Can you believe human beings have the ability to make something so beautiful, make animation beautiful again? Many exclamation marks.
00:39:45
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I hear you, Sarah. You are heard, seen, and appreciated. For our three stars, we have Sarah's with I mean, I see the appeal, at least from an artistic standpoint.
00:40:02
Speaker
It's plot kind is fine. Something about the fact that men in her life continue to exploit her sexually kind of leaves a bad taste in my mouth. All right.
00:40:12
Speaker
And Yara with the one star.
00:40:17
Speaker
i've seen worse films with worse sexual exploitation but at least this movie looks pretty you're seeing felt and heard
00:40:27
Speaker
right and yara but the one star You can easily tell a man wrote this because I think I just witnessed the worst depiction of a woman's trauma. Though the watercolor drawings were a sight to behold, the story itself felt very inconsistent.
00:40:40
Speaker
It's packed with gruesome, extremely graphic, and prolonged grape scenes that are the evident product of straight men's fantasies only to be deemed as sexual liberation. To make it plain and simple, Belladonna of Sadness failed miserably to portray the very premise of it.
00:40:55
Speaker
Understand that grape has never and will never be empowering. And here's where... you appreciate Yeah. Here's where I stand. i feel and feel like I'm between our middle review and our lower view.
00:41:09
Speaker
First, I don't think this needed to be an hour and a half. I think it was stretched very thin for what it wanted to portray. um a lot of these scenes, these more graphic scenes, i agree with that one-star review, were just led on a bit...
00:41:28
Speaker
too long. Like, we got it. It's like like the first 40 minutes, basically, is just like the most horrific things yeah that are like ever.
00:41:42
Speaker
And it invokes such like... And this is, at the end of the day, like what art is supposed to do. It's supposed to invoke an emotion. It's supposed to invoke a feeling. I just don't know if this movie is...
00:41:59
Speaker
invoking it for me in like the in a positive light i would to play the devil's advocate to play the the penis shaped devil's advocate the devil is shaped like a like a penis yes um unfortunate hair yes buddy just just let it go let the other one go um
00:42:27
Speaker
I feel like it making you feel is the negative reaction is the. yeah Yes, yes. I don't think we're supposed to sit back and be like, there we go. Like we're watching Bella Donna.
00:42:41
Speaker
This great. Sadness isn't the name. Yeah, um it absolutely is. And sad I felt watching this.
00:42:53
Speaker
But I think the yeah, the devil's advocate would be that you're not supposed to like feel an evocation of joy. I fully agree. i fully agree with you.
00:43:06
Speaker
I think if you do, we need to check your hard drive.
00:43:12
Speaker
i I fully agree. and I just feel like, like once we get towards the end of the film, which I would say ends on a more hopeful note, depressing.
00:43:25
Speaker
Yes. But ultimately, ah hopeful. i just don't know if it, I just don't know if it all at the end of the day necessarily like works for me in the way that it, that it intended to.
Themes in 'Belladonna of Sadness'
00:43:45
Speaker
I think that's fair. The one thing that I wanted to address is I never got the sense that this movie was saying that these things were empowering. Like what was happening, even when she got her power from Satan.
00:44:01
Speaker
I don't think it was done in a particular way that like glorified it. It was just like the cycle of drama was now spreading to others
00:44:18
Speaker
And, you know, deceit, greed, things like that went along with it. I mean, you know, the one thing i I'd like to say, this may be the most controversial thing I've ever said on the pod.
00:44:36
Speaker
So I'm prepared for our average listener account to go down. This movie is... Messed up. It's depraved. It's horrific. You know, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like it's not.
00:44:51
Speaker
But what is the inherent difference between a movie like this in terms of its shockiness, where it's kind of very controversial, but a movie like Come and See, the the Russian...
00:45:09
Speaker
the Soviet ah war movie, um which is equally, if not more so, as disturbing and messed up, and it's longer, and it's very painful.
00:45:22
Speaker
um Why is that one yeah almost universally loved, but this is not... I think that just boils down to like a case-by-case basis. like I hadn't heard of this movie before.
00:45:38
Speaker
Going through the Letterboxd reviews, like there's a hefty amount of like your your high-rated movies kind of talking about... like um Are you just talking about... like ah Like it's subject matter. Like, okay. Like as far as like the entire, like, like in the conversation, like when it comes to in the conversation, like I think we can like, mean, this art was, I mean, this, it was very shocking to me It was a very shocking movie. I didn't particularly enjoy sitting through it.
00:46:07
Speaker
I didn't particularly enjoy sitting through come and see. Yeah. Um, the comments, I feel like but the reaction that anyone decreeing this movie, I feel like would not have a similar reaction to what's happening on screen and come and see.
00:46:21
Speaker
hmm. And it's like, I mean, is there, i guess my question is, is there a limit where art becomes too shocking?
00:46:32
Speaker
That's what I'm trying to ask. Like, is that like, what is the line um where we go from, this is too much to, or yeah, where where we go from like, this is an all time great movie to too much because um there's a lot of movies that I feel like straddle this line. And there's just, I feel like there's no way to,
00:46:53
Speaker
To gauge it, I think this is a really good one to bring up this topic. um Like, is there a line? What is the line? Or is it just everyone has a personal line?
00:47:05
Speaker
Hmm. Both? I think the line universally could be crossed when we get into like exploitation territory.
00:47:18
Speaker
This movie does not do that. One, because it's animated, and so i can't I don't think you can fully cross an x exploitative line through animation, per se When it comes down to, like... I don't know, that one that one movie we're always talking about that.
00:47:37
Speaker
the the island. Is it an island? s Scooby-Doo Zombie Island? Yeah, so when it comes to Scooby-Doo Zombie Island. No, the, ah oh, I'm forgetting the name. Cannibal Holocaust? Yeah. Like, I haven't seen it yet, but, like, I think when you're, like, involving real people and then there's just, like, like real traumas that are, like, happening, like, on set and things like that and the intentions behind movies, like, I think there definitely is a line. Yeah.
00:48:04
Speaker
universally as well as personally. So it's hard to gauge what that is. Cause like I was saying, I feel like it is on a, on a case by case basis. And I, and I feel like a lot of people's issue that I'm seeing with some of the reviews for this movie that I see online. And I taught you think yours hit on it is just this being directed by a man.
00:48:29
Speaker
And I think that brings up a lot of, uh, valid emotions and and feelings towards the intention behind a film like this. I think that's fair.
00:48:41
Speaker
Yeah. It's, it's hard for us to say how, you know, things could be different because we're, we're not viewing it from the female gaze or experience. Um, agreed, but it's, I, I don't know what the intent was behind like the, the,
00:49:02
Speaker
I guess the the length and the exaggeration is not really the right word, but it's just like the graphicness. It's very gratuitous. Yeah. Yeah. It's a very gratuitous movie.
00:49:14
Speaker
And it happened several times. um And even like there are those... least three ones that last like minutes. Yeah. And there are like three... I think there are like two or three music breaks where there's just like this carnal thing just like kind of panning across the screen where like figures are doing all these different things.
00:49:35
Speaker
That one is just... wouldn't even say that one's disturbing. That was just bizarre. Yeah. The one with the animal things happening. Yeah. yeah There's a lot of stuff going on there. And my job was actually, I was like, yeah, watching it. I didn't even bother pausing to look at all the different ones. I would have been disturbed if you did. You just go in frame by frame. Like, oh okay. It was, yeah, it it was just a little too much. I, I,
00:50:06
Speaker
I don't know if the point was to make it gratuitous. I mean, mission accomplished, but um based on how the movie ends, I don't think that that's the point.
00:50:17
Speaker
The ending was so like, what? Yeah. Like the montage at the end. was like, what is this? Apparently this was based off a book. Yeah. i saw that.
00:50:29
Speaker
Are you talking about just like the montage to leading into the French revolution? Yes. And how this is basically like ah Kind of like a prologue into the French Revolution? or Her her so defiant spirit yeah led to the French Revolution.
00:50:45
Speaker
Which she like isn't with interesting. Yeah, it it is interesting. and like If the intention of the movie is kind of spilled out in the last few minutes of this, it just makes me question...
00:51:03
Speaker
why we went through so much of what we saw for an hour and 10 minutes to get to that ending. you know You know what I mean?
00:51:14
Speaker
Like, for sure i think I think the message is clear.
Art vs. Exploitation Debate
00:51:20
Speaker
i just question the routes we took to get there. Agreed.
00:51:25
Speaker
What you looking at over there, Alex? I'm trying to read about this book.
00:51:30
Speaker
based on a book called Satanism and Witchcraft by Jules Michelet. Michelet portrays the life and trials of witches and trials held but before witchcraft and argues that medieval witchcraft was a righteous act of rebellion by the lower classes against feudalism and the Roman Catholic Church.
00:51:53
Speaker
Although his book is thought to be largely inaccurate, it is notable for being one of the first sympathetic histories of witchcraft.
00:52:03
Speaker
huh but if that's what it's based on we could have skipped like the first 30 minutes of the movie and that's kind of that's kind of where which is where i'm leaning yeah yeah yeah like i think like we could have gotten the point like the point was the point was made yeah but then the point kept being made And at that point, I'm like, okay, all right.
00:52:31
Speaker
Yeah. But again, it's not supposed to be all happy and go lucky. None of this movie would have happened if he didn't pay his taxes.
00:52:47
Speaker
That's the message. If he just never pays taxes. If he just had like nine more cows.
00:52:54
Speaker
Get your bread up, man. Yeah. How do you guys pronounce there the are two lovers' names? Jean and John. Jean and John? Yeah. I think Jean for the lady and then John for the man.
00:53:11
Speaker
Jean and John. But I kept reading John, John, and I was like, stop reading it, John, John. so i was having my own battles. John Jones, the Martian Manhunter.
00:53:23
Speaker
um Didn't love the husband. He kind of sucked. Husband did. so I think that was the point. Yeah, for sure. The character design in this movie was neat.
00:53:35
Speaker
Mm hmm. The king with his head of skull. Like the. Yeah. things The king. The king looked really cool. I thought he was the devil at first. I thought he was too. Like I thought that was like whenever the beginning scene happens. I thought that's where we were at. And then the little devil comes in. and I was like, oh, who's this?
00:53:53
Speaker
And then he did what he needed to do. Yeah, I don't think he needed to do it.
00:53:59
Speaker
He did not. But he is the devil. Yeah. I don't think he really cares what we think. I think the, I think the entire like subject matter and like hearing a little bit of what you said about the book is interesting.
00:54:18
Speaker
And I think we've seen a little bit of that, like puts a film, like when we're talking about like witches and where, where women stood,
00:54:30
Speaker
in this period of time, like I think of the witch. And I think all of that is like a really interesting thing to, to see and to talk about. And so for, for that, I mean, I think the movie accomplished the movie accomplished what it needed, what it wanted to say.
00:54:48
Speaker
And I think what it needed to do, like it had a mission, it set out and it did it. I'll be it questionable sometimes along the way, but, I don't know. This was, i felt like I felt dirty after.
00:55:02
Speaker
ah felt awful. Yeah. Yeah. Terrible. I mean, like rape is one of like, I think the worst crimes you can inflict on somebody. i don't think that's a hot take.
00:55:14
Speaker
And we watched it like five times in this movie. nothing I mean,
00:55:21
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
00:55:25
Speaker
But but then again, I mean, it does beg the question, like, at what point does does it cross the line? Like, is there a line, you know, what makes some what makes like a really violent movie less valid or more valid than this?
00:55:42
Speaker
it's It's just I don't know. I've been grappling with it because, yeah, why does this movie give me the heebie jeebies? But come and see gives me the heebie-jeebies, but not in like a heebie-jeebie way.
00:55:55
Speaker
In like a, oh, that was so good way. That was so messed up. I think they're just all movies that you watch once. And that's it.
00:56:06
Speaker
And now that we're discussing both of these movies at the same time, there does seem to be um a shared theme of like female agency and I guess like taking control of your life, um making the decisions that you want to make because it's just what you want.
00:56:27
Speaker
They went about them a little bit differently. i think it could have been executed a little bit better than Belladonna, but...
00:56:36
Speaker
And also think just the, the way that they explored that theme in perfect blue was a lot more interesting. Like just having her had that internal,
00:56:48
Speaker
I guess anguish choosing between being a pop idol, um, seeing her old, uh, co-stars, you know, be more successful after she leaves makes her doubt herself even more.
00:57:02
Speaker
um I don't know. It, it was just a lot more interesting and engaging with Bella Donna. It was just so grim and almost felt like she never really had a choice to begin with.
00:57:17
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah, I think you bring up a good point. Like, I think they're talking very tackling very similar themes. Perfect Blue, more of the self. Belladonna, more of a of a but system.
00:57:30
Speaker
Yeah. And so I think in a lot of ways that they they can mirror each other like that. um I mean, like as far as Belladonna goes, like I mean, I think I already said it.
00:57:41
Speaker
It would be interesting to see subject matter like this or like this book adapted.
00:57:48
Speaker
Again, i guess, or differently a little bit. I'm not sure. it'd be nice
00:57:55
Speaker
I don't know. I'm just so like, I was very struck. I was very struck by it. I'll i'll say. Yeah. Favorite scene.
00:58:05
Speaker
ah I'm joking. I don't know if have a favorite scene. End credits? don't know. I think when the guy's penis turned into a giraffe, I think I i think i laughed at that.
00:58:17
Speaker
that own wild That was wild. That was crazy. Especially because like two weeks ago was at the zoo. Giraffe's necks are really long. They are. I saw some giraffes at Disney on a safari.
00:58:30
Speaker
I'm glad I saw them before this movie.
00:58:34
Speaker
Giraffes may be ruined for me now. Who knows? Giraffes canceled. Giraffes. Consider yourselves canceled. Pack your bags. Do we dare? You didn't rate it. You did.
00:58:47
Speaker
i did. ah now i'm coming in I'm questioning it. like Yeah, I was going to ask, are you sticking to your rating? I'm between a two and a half and a three out of five.
00:59:00
Speaker
I think there's enough that I respect about it Or I'm not going to call it a bad movie.
00:59:12
Speaker
But and not going to say I liked it or thought it accomplished its goal well. It's, I think, a neat part of film history that you should watch at your own discretion.
00:59:30
Speaker
Yeah. as As far as production goes, it was made really well. Animation is beautiful. Soundtrack's great. Voice acting was really great. um But yeah, like you said, did it accomplish what I was trying to do?
00:59:46
Speaker
ah up to up to the viewer, I guess. But as as a standalone piece of work is it is good. Like it's it's well made. I think trying to, like I'm trying to look at it in the context of like when this came out um and
Aichi Yamamoto's Legacy
01:00:04
Speaker
who directed it. This was directed by Aichi Yamamoto.
01:00:07
Speaker
um I'd seen a couple things basically stating that this guy was basically like almost like like Disney as far as like an animator goes.
01:00:22
Speaker
And so this was like one of three adult animated pieces that he did. And so for the time seeing the content of the movie, like I think this was very ah was very out there and it was very almost a taboo to talk about.
01:00:41
Speaker
And I think
01:00:44
Speaker
Pieces like that in film and in art in general are important.
01:00:51
Speaker
Doesn't mean you have to like love it. Like we have been saying for this entire review, but I'm just trying to think of it like in the context of that, you know, for sure.
01:01:06
Speaker
I am going to give it a two and a half.
01:01:09
Speaker
Cause I would never watch it again. Yeah. I, I, yeah, I think I convinced myself to give it a bit of a bump. So I'll, I think I'm okay with two and a half and never rewatching.
01:01:22
Speaker
Yeah. And warning others away from it. Was this a horror movie? It was yeah horrific, but not scary. if it Yeah.
01:01:35
Speaker
It's still scary.
01:01:38
Speaker
i guess in other ways yeah not your standard boo if if i had to categorize it yeah it's it's a it's a horror i'll i'll end it with with something positive that i'll just reiterate on animation is beautiful like i said it's unlike anything that i've ever seen the watercolors like the pastels just it it but's it's really something.
Artistic Reflection on 'Belladonna of Sadness'
01:02:04
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Like, it's really something to be seen. And the music in it is just fantastic and so ah reminiscent of of the time. Alex, are you sticking to three?
01:02:17
Speaker
No, I'm stuck between a two and a half and a three. You're just stuck. You're floating. um I'm gone, dude.
01:02:25
Speaker
It's faded. Very interesting movie for our animated sorry I picked it. It's okay. It's okay.
01:02:35
Speaker
Tachi tried to pick paprika. i pitched it, but it's okay. It's, yeah, I don't know. like Like you guys said, it's it's an important piece of media, and I think that's also something that we've been trying to I guess kind of passively pushed for like, yeah, like when you pitched us, um, know what was the movie from last episode, the British ghost watcht yeah ghost watch. Yeah.
01:03:04
Speaker
Like that being such, you know, maybe not pivotal moment in history, but really fascinating. was Yeah. I, yeah, it's, um,
01:03:15
Speaker
I agree with you. It's good to get outside of the box. It's good to watch ah something challenging. And so I would implore everybody to to do the same. If you so seek it.
01:03:29
Speaker
Be careful, though. Yeah, be careful. Before we go, we've taught you. You had a story for us to round out this episode with. Yeah, I'll let you guys vote.
01:03:40
Speaker
I've got three different options. um One involves television.
01:03:49
Speaker
One involves stairs. And one involves my mother. From her lips. I feel like it's the mom.
01:04:01
Speaker
I know the and i'm I'm a little biased because I know the first two. i don't know the third one. I also don't know the third. This is actually it's funny you pick it because this is the. don't know.
01:04:19
Speaker
I guess the the easiest to tell.
Tachi's Ghost Story
01:04:23
Speaker
So, um this was back when i was a child and have, I have two siblings, older brother and older sister. And my mom, we all lived in the house together, a two story house.
01:04:39
Speaker
And we didn't really talk about like ghost experiences. Like maybe we, we would hear like a random bump, um, in the night or like maybe, maybe our stairs would creak, you know, nothing crazy, but just enough to remind you that, you know, you're the woods, you have an imagination, something could happen. and But anyways, my mom is home alone and she, this is what she said verbatim.
01:05:13
Speaker
She, she's ah going to the the base of the stairs and And the the way that the house was set up is that the stairs were kind of isolated. So it wasn't like open to the living room.
01:05:24
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It's like its own little like walled off thing. And she goes to the bottom of the stairs and she looks up and she sees a silhouette of a man at the top of the stairs and he's holding a knife.
01:05:40
Speaker
However, this is a little man. She's described that he was maybe one to three feet tall, let's say.
01:05:52
Speaker
And, uh, I don't know how she saw that.
01:05:58
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I don't think that she knows how she saw this silhouette of like basically a Chucky sized man at the top of her stairs. And, uh, he soon almost immediately became to be known as l to the M or little man.
01:06:16
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to the Yeah. So that's, that's my little ghost story from my mom. What did, what did she do? She just walked away. She saw it and she said, no. Yeah. I think she just said no and took two steps back and walked away. And that's it. My mom had a similar reaction in her ghost story.
01:06:35
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Yeah. Just like, well, there's a little man. I think that's what you have to do. I think you acknowledge. You say, no, thank you. Yeah. Maybe out loud. And then you continue on with your day.
01:06:49
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Yeah, definitely don't talk to it. I think that's a mistake that a lot of characters make in horror movies. Is like trying to engage. Even saying no, thank you. or Or just like like saying hello or who's there or, you know.
01:07:03
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So just zero acknowledgement. Got it. I just think it's not worth the risk. I would just rather turn around and pretend like I didn't see anything.
01:07:14
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But that's just me. Last question. Who wins in a fight? Mr. Pipes or L to the M? Oh, I don't know.
01:07:22
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L to the M became a little notorious.
01:07:27
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Was there more L to the M sightings? I don't know. i have really poor memory, so maybe my siblings will know better, but As far as I know, it was just that one ah one encounter of the little kind.
01:07:42
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don't know.
01:07:45
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L to the M could be right behind you. He could say mind do take Mr. Pipes. Just go for the ankles. Thank you for the ghost story, Tachi.
01:07:56
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Of course. We really appreciate it. And if you out there listening who aren't my parents have one, you're more than welcome to share. And we just may read them on the show.
01:08:11
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So tune in next time.
01:08:14
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And remember, when you're looking up the stairs, take an extra long look. Because something just might be there.
01:08:28
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Good night.