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The long wait is over, our crossover review of Superman and Fantastic Four is here! What did you think of these movies? Leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify with your own thoughts! Don't forget to follow us on Letterboxd, Instagram, and Tiktok.
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Playful Introduction & Hosts' Introductions
00:00:15
Speaker
It's a bird. It's a plane. No, it's lost in the frame. Welcome back to another episode. I am your host, Alex. I'm your host, Malik. I'm your host, Tachi.
00:00:26
Speaker
How is everyone doing today?
Soundboard Debate
00:00:28
Speaker
Well done. That was a great intro. was. Good job. I mean, I'm him. I'm him. Spoiler, I've got that exact ah sound on the soundboard for today. Oh, really?
00:00:39
Speaker
Yeah. Do you want to hear it now or should I save it? ah You can save it for when you feel appropriate. I'll play it now. look
Superman Episode Anticipation
00:00:46
Speaker
up' in the sky it's a bird it a play it's superman yes it's superman It was Superman. It was. I'll play it again at some point.
00:00:55
Speaker
Cool. Or not. today It's finally our super fantastic episode.
Scheduling Challenges & Sleep Decisions
00:01:00
Speaker
feel like we've been teasing this one for quite some time. We have. I feel like we're so behind. It's okay.
00:01:07
Speaker
You know, we we've been pumping out quality and our millions of fans will understand. They will. Eddington eddington came first. and we We had to talk about Eddington when we did. there was We were even considering recording it the night of.
00:01:23
Speaker
You were considering. but We were considering. You're like, we could do it tonight. And I was like, I can't do that tonight. we and We could have It would have been really like an hour and 45 minutes of just like mumbling.
00:01:37
Speaker
Yeah,
Evolving Movie Opinions & External Reviews
00:01:38
Speaker
technically speaking, we could have. But I needed to sleep on that one. Same. Yeah. I still need to sleep on it. yeah i heard I heard a little birdie say that you finally figured out your feelings on that movie.
00:01:50
Speaker
Yeah, I liked it I like it. right. Larry, you heard it here first. Not in last week's episode where we actually gave our ratings. Yeah, but it's like like, so I gave it a 3.5, but I was still stewing.
00:02:07
Speaker
it's a It was a 3.5 that was like on shaky grounds. But now it's like a, it's solid. Even you said it, you you threw it a soft four. So I always had a soft 3.5, and now it's on solid ground. We've got the foundations to build a home.
00:02:24
Speaker
That is fair. Tashi, have you changed your views on it? um now I think I'm going to stick with the 3.5. Loose? That's a little firm. Okay, it's firm.
00:02:36
Speaker
Yeah. Good. Firm is good.
00:02:42
Speaker
since we yeah Since we recorded our episode, we have been seeing... Various takes pour in, including one from The New Yorker, which called... um Called Joaquin Phoenix's character a cuck.
00:02:55
Speaker
Oh, let's go. Yeah. So they panned it in ah the the January 28th... Or January... The July 28th edition of The New Yorker.
00:03:06
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um And then they started defending... um Michael Ward's character and then it came out that Michael Ward may have done something
Avatar 3 Trailer Reactions & Franchise Opinions
00:03:18
Speaker
not very nice. Yeah, that was some crazy news to come out.
00:03:22
Speaker
This review didn't age well. It did not. And it didn't age well in like the span of a week. Yeah, I mean... Awful turnaround time. around time I'm not throwing the author under the bus or anything for being like, oh like he's... Because there's just no way he would have known because he writes the article, he submits it to print print, prints it out, magazine gets distributed. So by the time it actually is like out in the open, he's probably opening Twitter and just going, oh my God.
00:03:47
Speaker
Just fuck. God damn it.
00:03:52
Speaker
um Have you seen any wild takes about this movie? About Eddington? Yeah, I just feel like it's been... It has been the talk of the town. Nothing new. All the same. People loving it. People hating it.
00:04:07
Speaker
I have seen a lot more love come out, though, I would say, in recent time. Its letterbox rating is starting to flatten out. It's starting to get a 3-4 out of 5.
00:04:17
Speaker
It's getting firm. It's getting firm. Nice and solid. Here we go. Stout. Before we get into super fantastic... We'll cover some movie news real quick.
00:04:30
Speaker
I like this top one. Avatar 3 trailer. How did you guys... Avatar, Fire and Ash. How did you guys feel? ah felt real good. and Oh my god. I liked the vibes of the ah Green Inferno looking Na'vi.
00:04:45
Speaker
had goosebumps. Looks sick. I'm stoked for it. You get the hype now? I don't want to say I didn't get it before. Because like whenever they come out, i'm like, okay, cool.
00:04:56
Speaker
Let's go. But I think that's kind of the appeal of this franchise is like we we don't even have crumbs. It's just like the movie. There's nothing happening in between. There's no spinoff show.
00:05:08
Speaker
It's just there. And it's just a piece of the conversation. So like when it comes around, like I think I just it's it wakes up like the sleeper selling me. But during that time, i forget. And then we get back to that time. Avatar for Avatar five.
00:05:23
Speaker
And I'm awoke. I'm awoken. Alex, how do you feel
3D Movie Experiences & Relevance Today
00:05:28
Speaker
about the Avatar franchise? think it's fine. I mean, I think it's visually really good, but I've never been like wowed by the story.
00:05:36
Speaker
Terry like dances with wolves in space. There's just no Kevin Costner. Yeah, I wasn't wowed until the second wave water. Really he got me with all the firmware.
00:05:49
Speaker
so I could agree with you there. i haven't rewatched way of water. I don't think even once. I think I've only seen it the one time it came out in theaters. I did watch the first avatar sometime within the last year. I'd agree that the story is just, it's just fine. Visually. It's still holds up very well. What year did the first avatar come out?
00:06:06
Speaker
I want to say 2009. It has an eight, 2009. That was actually insane. has eight two thousand and nine that was yeah actually insane I was a youngin'. I watched it. i remember I was sick during the 4th of July, so I couldn't go watch fireworks my friends or anything. So when my dad took my sister to go watch fireworks, I stayed in. My mom and I watched it And my dad and i came my dad came back and he saw the last literally minute.
00:06:32
Speaker
He was like, this stupid and walked away. My next question was, how does your dad feel about it? that was ah That has based his opinion on that movie since it came out was the last minute. It's kind of based when you think about it. Sure.
00:06:47
Speaker
That's kind of sick. Avatar 1 was 2009. Avatar Way of Water was 2022. Fire Ashes this year.
00:06:59
Speaker
i mean, so we're never going to have a 13-year wait again.
Speculations on Barbie Sequel
00:07:02
Speaker
hoor fiber Don't say that. worked on Well, 4 and 5 are being worked on like now. Just wait until the Avatar Last Airbender lawsuit kicks off and it delays release for copying the whole elements thing. It should have happened. It would have happened by now.
00:07:17
Speaker
They're just waiting. Nickelodeon was gathering the evidence. That ship has sailed. The evidence that's like right on screen. They're like, I know they did something, but I can't prove it quite yet. Speaking of evidence and lawsuits, ah there's this little movie called Together that's been getting some buzz.
00:07:34
Speaker
Yeah. If ah you guys are... I'm not going to say don't go see the movie. Malik and I went and saw it. I wasn't a huge fan of it. That's my review. But if you do go see this movie, I would give the Rolling Stone article on the lawsuit regarding the plagiarism of that movie a ah read.
00:07:54
Speaker
It was pretty wild, if it's true. Has anything new come from that or have like charges been dropped
Hollywood's Toy-Based Movie Trend
00:08:02
Speaker
or is it still ongoing? I think it's still ongoing. I mean, my guess is like most lawsuits, it's going to settle out of court.
00:08:08
Speaker
They'll cut some deal with the writer, whoever produced the or neon wood or whoever, I guess that would ultimately fall to. Well, if it's proven, they'll probably settle out. They'll get some cut of revenue from the movie or some lump sum and just feel like you can never talk about this again because we settled it.
00:08:26
Speaker
I hope it's not true. I don't either. Or I do. I hope it's not true as well because I would lose a lot of respect for people that liked. Yeah. Now the next item.
00:08:38
Speaker
Barbie sequel. Have either of you two heard anything? No, I have not. Tell us more. So rumors state there are talks that there will be one.
00:08:53
Speaker
However, Greta Gerwig and Margot Robbie will not be involved.
00:09:01
Speaker
i think that's bad no matter If they're involved or not. Yes. Agreed. I can't think of a... This is going to be like American Psycho 2 levels of just atrocious.
00:09:17
Speaker
S. Darko. I mean, like a movie so bad you forget it had a sequel. Or movie... A sequel so bad you forget it exists. Yeah. I just think studios are going to take all the wrong lessons from the success of Barbie if they do greenlight a sequel.
Christopher Nolan's IMAX Re-Releases
00:09:35
Speaker
We kind of talked about this because of the ah the Hot Wheels movie, right? That studios see Barbie, make a barbillion bucks, and they're like, oh, we just need to adapt toys into movies.
00:09:48
Speaker
But that's not it. Do you not believe that a Hot Wheelian is possible? Hot Wheelian? Yeah.
00:09:58
Speaker
If you're the first to coin that phrase, you need to trademark it now. I am the first to coin it. Yeah. i am I am on a generational run this episode with that that cold open. and then You're doing good. You're doing a great job.
00:10:12
Speaker
F1 releasing an IMAX in August. Sure. um mean, it doesn't really matter for us, right? I guess not. We don't have an IMAX theater. its I guess you could show it to Bob Bullock.
00:10:25
Speaker
IMAX wannabe at Barton Creek. Yeah, it looks nice. I went to Barton Creek the other day. Cam and I saw the new Jurassic World in 3D.
00:10:37
Speaker
Why? She wanted to see a movie in 3D. Okay, the experience? don't think I realized that it was still an active format that was still sold. but They're around. i guess Yeah,
New Superman Movie Excitement
00:10:50
Speaker
I guess they're around.
00:10:51
Speaker
They don't optimize movies for 3D anymore. like We don't have any Sharkboy and Lavagirl. They're reaching through the screen and trying to like really emphasize the 3D. I feel like it's just a filter that they put over the movie to give it a little bit of ah of a 3D thing. so The format was not good, but the movie was also not good.
00:11:15
Speaker
That movie sucked. How were the two leads, at least? Scarlett Johansson and John DeBaley? Horrible. Really? Like, the quote-unquote chemistry of the entire cast, like, the script straight up felt, like, AI-generated.
00:11:33
Speaker
Like, no decisions made sense. I didn't have any care for any of the characters, like, at all. Scarlett Johansson was just, like... Not good. Jonathan Bailey had the potential to be a good, interesting character.
00:11:48
Speaker
And the core of his character is this scientist working at a museum who's just a big advocate for the dinosaurs. And you get that in the first like few minutes of the movie when they recruit him to go to the island and then just nothing happens with it.
00:12:08
Speaker
um It's not a good movie. That's a shame. I'm trying to think of the last movie I went and saw in 3D and I can't even think of one. I couldn't tell you what it was before this, but don't know that I've ever intentionally gone to see a 3D movie.
00:12:27
Speaker
Not even Sharkboy and Lavagirl? Never even seen it at all. Spy Kids three d Seen that, but not in 3D. See, those are the only movies that I can, whenever I think 3D, that's all I think of.
00:12:39
Speaker
So I'm like, was it more popular at a time before us? Wait, wasn't Avatar shot in 3D, the original? Holy shit, that was a big selling point for the first Avatar, wasn't it? Yeah.
00:12:51
Speaker
It was. It was the, oh, was it shot for it? I think it was shot for 3D. Like the real D3D, and that was like the first big Yeah. Pretty sure. Oh, that's interesting.
00:13:02
Speaker
I wonder. Well, maybe we watch Avatar 3 in real D3D. I want real D3D in combination with 4DX on the theater screen that like also comes out to the side.
00:13:17
Speaker
It's the worst theater experience you could think of. Nightmare
Superman & Supporting Characters Analysis
00:13:20
Speaker
date. You take her to see Jurassic World. It's getting sprayed. Sprayed.
00:13:29
Speaker
The mysterious mist on your legs. Yes. The twisters. was it? The four twisters. yeah Yeah. That's it.
00:13:41
Speaker
It was someone in their chair with the popcorn and just shaking violently. I do. what I would like to see a movie in 4DX. I don't know which one, though. I think it would be the worst movie to see in 4DX.
00:13:54
Speaker
The Hot Wheels movie. Would be the worst? No, it'd be the best. Oh. I'll say the worst. The worst movie in 4DX would be After Sun.
00:14:09
Speaker
You can feel the depression coming through the screen. Just misting your eyes for a pre-cry session trigger triggers the real tears. They release ah onion gas into the theater.
00:14:24
Speaker
Makes everyone cry. World War I. it's Torture tactics in the theater to try emotions.
00:14:39
Speaker
That's good. What we got next? Yeah. A bunch of Christopher Nolan movies are also getting IMAX releases ah in August and September. And you're asking which ones? And the answer is all of the ones that you think.
00:14:53
Speaker
Every single one. Basically, what that was the list. It was like Oppenheimer, Interstellar, Inception, um maybe Tenet. don't remember. i hope Tenet.
00:15:07
Speaker
But all the big ones, all the big ones. So you want to be jealous when I live in California and I can go to actual IMAX theaters and I tell you about it every single week. you No, because I'll block your number.
00:15:22
Speaker
I'll only communicate with you in a recorded session that the world can listen to. Straight up. That's like top three reasons I'm excited. Leaving us casually for movie theaters.
00:15:34
Speaker
That's it. ah Real grinder. too I'll see you guys at the Odyssey. In New York. Oh, yeah. Actually, why would we go to New York for that? Why didn't we just go to you?
00:15:45
Speaker
That's true. and mean yeah'll talk We'll talk about it. We got to buy tickets. Apparently they're getting bought up and resold on eBay. Yeah. For like the single show times that they released the 7 PM show times.
00:15:58
Speaker
There is a dystopia that we are on the cusp of being in where movie tickets are on ticket master being resold. I will take myself from this life.
00:16:11
Speaker
The minute I see a single ticket for a movie on ticket master, I'm going home. Why not just become a terrorist? Why would you kill yourself? I'm going to become the Joker.
00:16:28
Speaker
I'll be the Joker too. Let's go.
00:16:48
Speaker
What was that? it's a bird. It's a plane. It's Superman. Yes, it's Superman. It's time to get into Superman. Let's. I feel like I watched this movie like three weeks ago.
00:17:01
Speaker
I did watch this movie. I think it was three. It's a little fuzzy. I'm not going to lie. Yeah, I was. um I really wanted to rewatch it and then just didn't.
00:17:14
Speaker
Yeah. So it might be a little fuzzy. I think we'll navigate through it, but I think we all remember our general feelings coming out of the theater, but um I'll throw it to you first, Hachi.
00:17:27
Speaker
What was your excitement level for Superman? On what scale? whatever scale you feel like one to three, one to 12. I'll go with red.
00:17:40
Speaker
Is that good? in my Like red alert being the most important, the most critical.
00:17:47
Speaker
I was on a red alert. I was so excited for this movie. Yeah. I mean, I've been hyping it up for a long time. Like I had unwavering faith. You really did.
00:17:57
Speaker
You really did. And then real quick, how did you feel coming out of this movie? Really satisfied. Okay. So the same question to you, Alex, was your excitement level coming into it?
00:18:10
Speaker
And how did you feel coming out? So growing up, i was a DC fanboy. I freely admit that. ah Grew up on Justice League, Justice League Unlimited, all the cartoons.
00:18:22
Speaker
All goaded. you haven't seen them, go do it. um We have gotten a wide spectrum of DC movies that were ranged from what I think is very, very good.
00:18:35
Speaker
Watchmen, Dark Knight, Batman, to not very good. Batman versus Superman, you know. That whole lot. I was cautiously optimistic is how I would put it.
00:18:52
Speaker
I was not ready to get hurt again, but I liked what I had seen coming from all the news and the marketing and that. So I was going in this movie. I was like, there's there's a good chance here that we but we could be back.
00:19:07
Speaker
And how'd you feel after? We're on the way to being back. All right. We're on the path. Oh, yeah, brother. Oh, yeah. I was also cautiously optimistic leading up to this movie.
00:19:22
Speaker
I can't say that I was a big DC kid. I was a little bit more picky within the DC universe, I would say. love Justice League. love Justice League Unlimited.
00:19:34
Speaker
Batman was my bread and butter. But I've never really been like Superman guy. And I couldn't tell you why. he was just never my go-to or the hero that I would get excited over.
00:19:49
Speaker
he wasn't in my He wasn't in my Mount Rushmore. That being said, don't hate the guy. I quite like him. And like you said, Alex, we've had been on a string of mainly bad DC movies with the DCEU.
00:20:05
Speaker
Is that correct? this one The old one was the DCEU? Correct. ah Let's call it the Snyderverse. just call Okay, the Snyderverse. I remember really liking Man of Steel when it came out.
00:20:16
Speaker
When did that come out? was in high school, fresh out of high school. I re-watched Man of Steel before Superman. That movie's not great.
00:20:31
Speaker
What's wrong with it? The beginning is really cool. ah really like the beginning on Krypton, but everything else, like, Henry Cavill is just, we'll getll we'll get into it more though.
00:20:46
Speaker
Before we get into our reviews, it's time for a new segment called High, Middle, Low, where we read a five-star review from Letterboxd, a three-star and a one-star to kick off our conversations.
00:20:57
Speaker
Tachi, kick us off with a five-star review that you found today. All right. This is by Reese. rees He's a pro on Letterboxd. Nice.
00:21:09
Speaker
Five stars. And a like. Wow. Just wow. James Gunn didn't just make a Superman movie. He brought a living comic book to the screen in the best way possible. From start to finish, this film oozes everything I love about the Superman mythos.
00:21:23
Speaker
The color grading alone, bright, bold, and full of life, feels like flipping through the the pages of a classic comic. It's hopeful, optimistic, and visually vibrant in a way we honestly haven't seen in a long time.
00:21:36
Speaker
This movie made me feel like I was watching the essence of Superman unfold in motion. Alex, take us to our three star. Three star comes from a user called Mr. Bamason.
00:21:48
Speaker
Bamason? He's a patron. So he's... ah He's he big ballin'. um it's He gave it three stars and a heart and starts it off as, it's all right.
00:22:03
Speaker
It's definitely an ambitious movie and it wants to tell a good story, but unfortunately it's overcomplicated by introducing way too many characters for a first movie to the point where a lot of them feel like dead weight that should have been saved for later.
00:22:17
Speaker
And while the third act is fun in terms of action and scale, it plays it way too safe narratively and I can't help but feel a tad disappointed. What keeps it from being a 5 out of 10 for me, this guy is a man of class because he uses the out of 10 system. Damn it.
00:22:35
Speaker
For me is the cast. I'd love to see them with a more polished script in the future. All in all, as a start to the DCU, it's suitable. 169 likes.
00:22:46
Speaker
All right. Our one-star review is by user Willow. Not a patron. Just a regular regular guy. A real hater. real hater.
00:22:58
Speaker
We got a one star and a heart, which is surprising. little contradictory. Yep. Tolerant. I feel tolerant towards this film. It's basically just an average scattershot of neoliberal jargon.
00:23:10
Speaker
It is a commentary on a war that doesn't exist with special effects that are half spectacle, half not, and performances half artificial and half diligent. It's half a little more than I expected and half a little not.
00:23:21
Speaker
It's all right. It's tolerable. I think you have to delete your letterbox. Damn, son. Where'd you find this? Damn. Sorry. um Something i like to point out from that, it's a commentary on a war that doesn't exist.
00:23:41
Speaker
um Unless you're stupid, it's pretty clearly commentating on a war that exists. I agree. I agree.
00:23:53
Speaker
laughably clear. think that's as far as I'll go. We got to apply to most wars that have ever happened. I agree. Yeah. This one particularly. Yeah. This one's a little more pointed.
00:24:08
Speaker
a little A little on a little on the nose. Let's get to the good. Let's get to the good, the bad and the ugly. Yeah. We'll start with the good. Let me read off our cast real quick.
00:24:20
Speaker
Superman directed by James Gunn. This is the first entry into the James Gunniverse. Hashtag the gun is loaded. This is starring David Cornswet, Nicholas Holt, Rachel Brosnahan, Nathan Fillion, Isabella Merced, and shout out Millie Alcock.
00:24:37
Speaker
The good, David Cornswet. How do we feel about Superman? Love him. Wait, I just assumed that the good was David Cornswet. Do we all agree? I agree.
00:24:48
Speaker
how do you feel about him? I think he did a really good job of humanizing um Superman, giving a lot of weight to who Clark is and that part of Superman's identity.
00:25:04
Speaker
I also think he presents the, i guess, the the reputation of of Superman being the symbol of hope. I think that also had to do with a lot of the visual choices, like like a lot of the the reviews have been pointing out the the color grading and and things like that.
00:25:22
Speaker
I don't know. i just think I just think he gets Superman. I think he gets Clark. And i i think Alex could speak a lot more to it because he probably knows a lot more of the DC lore.
00:25:35
Speaker
But from my limited exposure from growing up watching a little bit of Smallville, it was, it was nice to see a grounded and just really compassionate Clark.
00:25:49
Speaker
It's nice. Good stuff. allah I'll echo that. I think he did a really good job of portraying Superman slash Clark Kent as this you know Midwest, humble, do-gooder Boy Scout.
00:26:05
Speaker
Because, i mean, that's really what Superman at the core is, is kind of the ultimate symbol of like you know doing good because it's the right thing to do, not because it's the convenient or easy thing to do. Because, I mean...
00:26:20
Speaker
yeah know Superman is basically has been power scaled to the point where he is like a like a god. um I mean, his some of his powers from like the original original run are ridiculous.
00:26:33
Speaker
um He can do literally anything at this point. But One thing that I think the Snyder verse got wrong was mainly its portrayal of Superman as like this dark, you know, brooding, miserable, little sniveling weirdo.
00:26:53
Speaker
um and it And it sucks. I thought I think Henry Cavill kind of didn't really get a fair shake to do it justice because it was very pigeonholed into this.
00:27:05
Speaker
you know, Zack Snyder, like dark justice league. Um, whereas James Gunn is clearly letting, you know, Superman be Superman and letting Clark be Clark. Cause at the end of the day, it's like, you know, Superman comes from Krypton, but he is Clark Kent.
00:27:23
Speaker
Like he was raised by the Kents. He, you know, has questionable taste in music and what he thinks may or may not be punk rock.
00:27:34
Speaker
Um, he's a bit goofy. He's, he's imperfect, but he always tries to do his best. Um, and that's something that I think like the justice league cartoons did really well of, you know Superman is like the leader. He's the most powerful, but there's a lot of scenes there where it humanizes Clark as this kind of goofball. Um,
00:27:57
Speaker
And we've been missing that for quite a long time. And so that's what I appreciate the most about ah David's portrayal. Yeah, almost forgot, honestly, growing up that this is what Superman is supposed to be.
00:28:12
Speaker
i mean, Henry Cavill kind of. he I mean, he was the prominent Superman for us. Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Justice League.
00:28:23
Speaker
So I think he did. Zack Snyder has done irreparable damage and he needs to face jail time. but what david But when David Cornswit was cast, Right off the bat, I love just loved his look as Superman. He feels like he just kind of embodies that.
00:28:41
Speaker
And the more that time has passed, I really liked his performance out the gate. I think it's only grown on me. as these three weeks have gone on since we've seen the movie.
00:28:52
Speaker
I've been watching like clips and videos and interviews with him, and I've grown quite fond of Mr. Cornswept. He just seems like a like a genuine dude. Looks like he's got like a real love for acting.
00:29:05
Speaker
Huge like theater nerd. He has bewitched me, I would say. He's kind of a major dork, and I love that. ah really I really love that.
00:29:17
Speaker
What's another good for you, Tachi? How about Lex Luthor? I like this Lex quite a bit. Only a little bit more than Batman v Superman's Lex Luthor from ah ah who who is a Jesse Eisenberg. Jesse Eisenberg.
00:29:39
Speaker
No, ah he was awesome. I think he is really good at ah showing seething rage and and hatred and is, I guess, an unyielding persistence to try to take Superman down.
00:29:56
Speaker
Coming out of this, I was, i don't want to say I was conflicted, but I was just trying to like wrap my head around If I liked Nicholas Hull as Lex Luthor, if I didn't, or if I loved it,
00:30:11
Speaker
So I'm excited ah to kind of talk about it and get you guys' his thoughts. But I'm leaning towards the scale of like really enjoying his performance as Lex Luthor. Like you said, i can i can feel that he hates Superman.
00:30:26
Speaker
But at the same time, it just feels like like he wants to be him like so bad. Like this unhealthy obsession that he has Superman.
00:30:38
Speaker
This man who's done no wrong to him hasn't done any wrong to anybody really. And it's just this like, he's just his number one hater. and i fully And I fully got that vibe. And I'm like, I think he wants to kiss him too, just like a little bit.
00:30:54
Speaker
And so I think Nicholas Holden, he struck a really good balance with that. So, I mean, I guess I came to my conclusion pretty quick. i like I like him as Lex Luthor. I'll agree with your good point.
00:31:05
Speaker
You want to hear hot take? Go ahead. Oh boy. I'm not as thrilled as everyone was by his performance as Lex. And here's why. Okay. Here's why.
00:31:16
Speaker
I think Nicholas Holt did a great job. It's not really on him. Like, I don't think he was really lacking anything. I did not like the way that this movie kind of portrayed ah Lex and you hit on it as you liked how much he wanted to be Superman.
00:31:36
Speaker
And that was one thing. And it finally clicked as like, what was this performance missing for me? Because when I left the theater, everyone was like, oh, my God, Nicholas Holt was so good as Lex, like.
00:31:50
Speaker
I was just like, something was missing. And I think that I did not like it that he felt almost, um, like he was under Superman and he was, had a little bit of like a Napoleon complex going on.
00:32:04
Speaker
Um, As I said, i you know in Justice League and Justice League Unlimited, Luthor, who's voiced by Clancy Brown, also known as Mr. Krabs, great voice actor, but oh yeah it's but that's beside the point.
00:32:19
Speaker
um His portrayal of Luthor is he almost feels equal to Superman. Like they look at each other eye to eye.
00:32:30
Speaker
Um, sure. Luther has no powers, but just, he is formidable enough as a, as a foe and as like ah a genius mastermind that like, you know, no matter what happens in the show, like you can't count him out because he always outsmart you.
00:32:47
Speaker
And he's you know, he has his own ambitions and, um you know, that may be his undoing, but he never gave off the feeling that he felt like he was emasculated almost by Superman.
00:33:03
Speaker
Whereas in this movie, I think he did. um And I prefer a Lex who is who thinks he is um beneath no one because I think it makes his character more compelling.
00:33:19
Speaker
I'll provide a counterpoint with a scene from the movie when Lex first takes crypto and Superman barges into his office and he's kind of toe to toe with him. Just look at me, at the eye drinking his coffee saying like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like what dog?
00:33:35
Speaker
Like, I don't know. Like I feel the issue that you have, Came across in that scene. um And maybe. i mean this is the first entry.
00:33:45
Speaker
into Into this universe. So we're definitely going to see more. of ah Of this Superman and this Lex. I think that it could. Grow to maybe seeing that. On a larger scale.
00:33:57
Speaker
But for a first entry. I feel like it kind of set the. Like a good foundation of this relationship. Between Lex and Superman. But. I digress. That's my that's my rebuttal.
00:34:12
Speaker
Alex, give me a good point. Another good point. Unless you're out of them.
00:34:17
Speaker
um A good point for me. like What do I think was like a very good thing from the movie? Are we re debating? just yeah We'll go we'll go around the around the around the horn doing the good, the bad, the ugly.
00:34:31
Speaker
all right and We can debate it we need Mr. Terrific. Loved him. awesome that was he was criminally underused in Justice League Unlimited. He literally did nothing but sit in the watchtower.
00:34:45
Speaker
um And in this movie, he was the man. He was awesome. um Thought he's funny. I thought they did a great job of utilizing his powers slash abilities. um And I think it really fleshed out a character that historically i always felt was underused.
00:35:05
Speaker
so i was super excited to see him take the driver's seat of the um the second tier of characters in this movie. Wait, does he have?
00:35:17
Speaker
ah It's been a long time since we I watched it, but does he have powers or is he just like a Tony Stark? Just super genius. that's That's why I said like powers slash abilities. He's just like a super genius.
00:35:30
Speaker
Here's my hot take. I didn't love him as much as everybody else seems to. I don't know what it was. I like his vibe. I like his demeanor.
00:35:42
Speaker
Didn't care for his powers slash abilities. you You think he was criminally underused in the movie? I agree. i think No, he was criminally underused historically in other media I've seen him in. Oh, I think he a little underused in this movie.
00:35:56
Speaker
Well, this was better than him being stuck in the Justice League watchtower. I mean, that's that's fair. i don't I don't have anything to base it off of. But specifically for this movie, I think I could have used more of him. Like I like i said, I didn't hate him.
00:36:09
Speaker
But I think this also, like, I don't think it's a ah flaw of the character, really. This is, a I guess, maybe more of a James Gunn issue.
00:36:21
Speaker
We've got the scene that a lot of people are loving when he's a protecting Lois when they're trying to get into the portal and we get the needle drop and he's kind of just murking guys left and right.
00:36:35
Speaker
I don't know if it if if if that really works for me. like Just because I feel we've seen it before, and I know every director will have their style, but like this was like Yondu's Arrow 2.0 for me.
00:36:51
Speaker
and so it didn't like I didn't think it was awesome, and it didn't really like have me out of my seat because I'm like, oh, we've seen this before. So I'm like, cool to look at, but it kind of just felt like a rinse and repeat for me.
00:37:03
Speaker
The gun jammed. The gun hashtag, the gun jammed.
00:37:10
Speaker
I welcome rebuttals. i I actually agree with you on that last bit. um But i think if you look past like his action sequences, I think his interpersonal scenes were what stood out for me.
00:37:24
Speaker
Tachi, I'll kick it to you.
00:37:27
Speaker
um I think just in general, the entire Justice gang was underutilized. I really liked Nathan Thillion as Guy Gardner, the Green Lantern.
00:37:40
Speaker
I did too, and I didn't think I was going to. i don't know anything about Guy in the comic books, but like from what I've seen online, apparently James Gunn nailed him comic-wise, but he I really enjoyed him.
00:37:54
Speaker
yeah He's kind of supposed to suck. My GL's always been Jon Stewart, so I'm hoping he gets looped in. That be cool. I mean, they're making a lantern show, aren't they?
00:38:05
Speaker
don't know. I want to say they are with Jon Stewart, but I could be wrong. um Yeah, i really I also really liked Guy.
00:38:16
Speaker
um Justice Gang, underutilized. I don't know. Maybe not, because it is just Superman. This is Superman, not yes Justice League or Justice Gang.
00:38:28
Speaker
And I think that's where I'm a little like wishy-washy wear on the inclusion of the Justice Gang. I'm not sure if I would have preferred... strictly just Superman instead of having to focus on these other characters. But at the same time, they don't really take anything away. And I don't feel like any time was really wasted with them. So like, I think they're a fine inclusion to me. It does kind of feel like a crutch for James gun.
00:38:55
Speaker
He's, he's very good at what he does. Like he's a good filmmaker. He's really good at teams. And it just kind of felt like he was almost using that as a crutch.
00:39:06
Speaker
And so in my mind, that's just like a little bit of like brownie points taken away because it's just like, I could see kind of through that, but I mean, it doesn't, it, it doesn't harm the movie significantly for me.
00:39:21
Speaker
I just kind of kind of be like, all right, well, I see what's going on here. How we feel about a hot girl? Good for like the minute that we get her. Yeah. You want talk underutilized her?
00:39:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Good stuff. Really underutilized. I mean, yeah, there's not much, not not much to say with her. She has two scenes.
00:39:44
Speaker
couple dialogue.
00:39:47
Speaker
At least three. I when she screamed. Yeah. When the camera's like all up in her face. Yeah. That is a crazy angle. i mean, based for dropping the leader for the the the leader of that country from 50 feet.
00:40:03
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So i but I'll be excited to see more of her. Me too.
00:40:07
Speaker
Hold it, Alex. Hold it.
00:40:11
Speaker
It's on your mind. Share with the class. The gun was loaded with something that would get us deep platform.
00:40:23
Speaker
Any other good that you guys want to point out before we get to the bad? I'm ready to get negative. I'll say... i When I was going through the reviews to find that five-star one, I saw one that was...
00:40:38
Speaker
kind of presenting the argument that James Gunn was using animals as like, like a crush or like low hanging fruit, um, as like an emotional foil. I don't know how you want to say it, but,
00:40:54
Speaker
I think it was really, really important, in my opinion, that Clark will protect like anything and anyone, basically.
00:41:05
Speaker
Yeah. um and And there was a ah line specifically, and not just because I'm a dog owner, but this one really touched me. and know. anyone It was when he said... um he was talking about crypto after he was taken by Lex and he said, he's probably alone and scared and, um, I need to go save him or or something along those lines. Yeah. He's like, he's a bad boy, but yeah, he's probably, yeah he's probably alone and scared and just still needs to be saved.
00:41:33
Speaker
It's, I feel like that just kind of represents, um, or it should represent who Superman is. On that note, I saw something that came out with, um,
00:41:44
Speaker
So they screen, they screen movies for test audiences and they kind of go back to the drawing board and use these test audiences opinions to, to try to get something that maybe is a ah little bit more appealing to it a wider demographic.
00:41:58
Speaker
I think we should get rid of that. But test audiences didn't like the scene, the quick scene of Superman saving the squirrel. Why? Don't know.
00:42:09
Speaker
But James Gunn insisted to keep it in. And then i've I've seen a lot of talk online where it's just like, yeah, we need to abolish test audiences because I think just that quick scene says so much about Superman as a character.
00:42:21
Speaker
Right. That every life matters. Didn't the test audiences also nix a scene where Crypto got... hit by someone yeah they probably should have left that in i mean god forbid a villain does something villainous i agree you have a couple other quick good points um the score is i can't say the word fantastic yet it's great wait what were you gonna say before malik well i was gonna say there was a scene where crypto was kind of being tortured
00:42:56
Speaker
But I think like someone punched him across the room or something. and thats Yeah, like like like Lex punches him and they cut it. I think it was um ah Bizarro.
00:43:08
Speaker
Oh, God. I don't remember what they called him in the movie, but it was Bizarro. I'm also a fan of crypto. Same. Let me tell you about this currency. Stop.
00:43:20
Speaker
Stop.
00:43:23
Speaker
Is it the future? Cryptocurrency is the future. All right, Alex, i'llll I'll throw it to you first for the bad. Go ahead. He's got triggered. Oh, the bad. um
00:43:37
Speaker
i keep seeing people talk about how this was... This isn't really a bad. It's just like... Maybe a pump the brakes.
00:43:49
Speaker
um I keep seeing people talk about how this movie is like a breath of fresh air and it's so new and like we're back. And, you know, I I'm going to sit here and say it's it's not a good movie. I really enjoy myself.
00:44:02
Speaker
But um it did not really feel like a breath of fresh air in a superhero movie sense from a DC movie. Yes. Yes. But it it just felt very like Guardians of the Galaxy to me.
00:44:17
Speaker
I mean, and that's that's because James Gunn made the movie. But you can really feel that that style, that influence come through in this movie. And you said it earlier about the Mr. Terrific scene, about how it was just...
00:44:30
Speaker
It really felt like Yondu's Arrow. And a lot of the movie felt like Guardians to me. It's not a bad thing, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend that like this is a fresh take on the superhero genre because it just like it just wasn't.
00:44:49
Speaker
I'll say i am excited for the future movies that we're going to get out of the DCU. Yes. I will be set and I will watch. Yes. Mainly excited for James Gunn to not be at the helm of all of them.
00:45:04
Speaker
I'm excited to see other directors takes on these characters. I think it's a good start. James Gunn is a good director. But I'm not like, I'm not going to bat for him or anything like that.
00:45:18
Speaker
And for sure, I do feel, I'm like, I walk and I'm like, James Gunn made that movie. hundred percent 100%. Neither positive nor negative. Just a fact. What do you think about that statement, Tachi?
00:45:30
Speaker
To go back a little bit, I think Zack Snyder actually brought a fresh take to the superhero genre. Whether it's good or bad and is, you know, you can argue about that all day, but it was fresh. It was new. something It was something.
00:45:47
Speaker
But in terms of this movie and James Gunn, yeah, not really all that fresh and not not all that new. but it's very enjoyable and it's a well-produced movie, well-directed movie.
00:46:01
Speaker
So... I just I worry that the DCU is going to be a lot like the MCU and sort of tone. And I don't want that. The one thing I'll respect Snyder a lot for was making the DCEU, whatever you want to call it.
00:46:20
Speaker
The Snyderverse. The Snyderverse. It felt a lot more like mature and like darker themes. Yeah. Now, I'm not going to sit here and pretend that those themes were well executed for the most part, but I liked that ah that DC was trying to be like a little bit more gritty. Because even like the the cartoon felt like it had like a a layer of like grittiness to some of the plot lines.
00:46:48
Speaker
um I'm thinking Justice League Unlimited Cadmus. is is fairly complex for like what's a kid's cartoon. um Like the the themes and, you know secret government agencies and back channel deals, you know,
00:47:04
Speaker
Yeah. Like watching as an adult, like there was a there's still a lot of appeal for me to go watch, like just see Unlimited. um And so I was really i i really hope that they retain some of that. I know Gunn has kind of played with Cadmus already, so I know they're in the universe because of Peacemaker and the Suicide Squad.
00:47:25
Speaker
But I just think it's like. I just don't want to see this franchise take a path that's already been tread to become successful instead of taking up like taking care to go a bold new step, but you you know balancing it with it actually being good.
00:47:49
Speaker
And only the future will tell. i think James Gunn put out a statement saying... they wanted to release like two to three movies a year with like two to three TV shows and all that.
00:48:03
Speaker
And I think everyone's just like, stop reloading the gun need like you said take like they need to take different strides than the mcu has already walked on and so he's turning the gun on himself jeez
00:48:21
Speaker
all those hashtags are killing me any uglies i got one i hate how this movie looks really yes why i think i actually do think it's kind of ugly
00:48:36
Speaker
I think it's... a I think the cinematography is fine, but similar to... was the movie we just did? Rush. Rush? Hate the color grading.
00:48:50
Speaker
It's... I just... I don't know, man. It's, I didn't like it when we got the first trailer. was like, maybe it'll grow on me like as the movie goes on, but it's, it's dialed to 11. Just too saturated.
00:49:06
Speaker
Just a, just a bit too much. And people are just like, Oh hell yeah. We're bringing color back. We're doing all this. And I'm like, sure. But I think there's a ah better way to do it.
00:49:17
Speaker
Like I just didn't, everything just felt too, a little too poppy. For my taste. um nope I'm not saying that this needed to go dark and gritty.
00:49:28
Speaker
There is a way to do color. I just didn't like this way. It may have just been his reaction to the Snyderverse. It kind of does feel like an overcorrection at times.
00:49:43
Speaker
I personally like it, but I can understand why it's too much. Yeah. Release the black and white cut. Yeah. remember when ah Remember when there was a ah um a black and white version of the Snyder Cut released?
00:50:00
Speaker
Yeah, man. It was black and white in a 4-3 ratio like it was shot on film. That was crazy. Crazy time. you And it was three and a half hours. They missed talking about the Snyder Cut and during Eddington because that was peak COVID.
00:50:19
Speaker
it really was i mean it wasn't going any snyder reddit thread they're still alive they're out there oh they're out there in the comments of anything about this one they are fighting the good fight it's actually kind of insane and sad i'm like just go watch those movies stop wishing death on new iterations of superman what are you doing It's like a weird version of like an incel almost.
00:50:48
Speaker
From what I've seen. yeah Snyder cells suffering. They go hand in hand. Someone needs to do some studies around this. Strangely violent.
00:51:01
Speaker
I don't get it.
00:51:05
Speaker
And for what? you've We've seen the Snyderverse movie. What are you defending? The Flash. but God. The standard cut is better than the original.
00:51:15
Speaker
I'll admit it. Oh, it's way better. It's way way better. It's like it's like it's actually like I for a three and a half hour ah slow-mo like CGI slop.
00:51:27
Speaker
I really enjoyed it. I did too. I remember when it came out, I was so excited to watch it. I think I took the day off work because I'm like, I got to just lock in. And I was at my old apartment, which had these large windows in the living room that the sun was just beaming through like all day until the sun went down.
00:51:43
Speaker
So there'd be a glare on my TV. But I went the extra mile and I literally nailed blankets into like at the top of them to black out the room. And I just sat on the couch with a bunch of snacks and i just soaked it all in.
00:51:55
Speaker
And that was a good time. this is like a good and bad and i guess i do like that it wasn't an origin story um however i did want some things to be explained like in his uh what's his little his hq uh the solitude of fortress yeah for solitude yeah kid on my level I wanted a little more information on the robots.
00:52:24
Speaker
Wait a second. Hold on. Did I say solitude of fortress? you sure did. That's insane. I just. It's okay. I was going to let it slide. Rewind it. Clip it, chat.
00:52:36
Speaker
Sorry, Tachi. Go ahead. No, it's fine. I mean, I already made my point. I just wanted more information on the robots. Like who made them, where they came from. i was curious. Why they were there. Yeah. um I think the lore version is that the Fortress of Solitude was sent.
00:52:53
Speaker
could be making this up. That it, or at least in some iterations, it's also Kryptonian. Like it came down with him.
00:53:08
Speaker
And because like they picked the planet like, oh, it's going to like this is a suitable spot. And so they sent it for him as well. Because I know in like Justice or this ah Snyderverse, can't remember if it was in the Snyder Cut or not.
00:53:21
Speaker
um But the the Fortress of Solitude in those movies was something that came from Krypton. I'm going to guess it's a similar origin story to that.
00:53:36
Speaker
Cause it was definitely like Kryptonian technology with the computer and all that. Like he didn't build that. Cause the, I mean that's where the the drive for the message was being held. So, yeah.
00:53:49
Speaker
have a couple other points to to bring up that I want to discuss first. Supergirl. How do we feel about Millie Alcock's inclusion in this? Are you guys excited for the Supergirl movie to come out next year?
00:54:02
Speaker
I'm not super excited. I'm just excited. I liked the 30 seconds we got of her. Me too.
00:54:13
Speaker
I like the interactions that she has with crypto, but all the things that kind of drive Superman insane. We see where it's coming from the way she interacts with her dog and just has these wrestling matches.
00:54:28
Speaker
The way she talks to Superman. So, I mean, I'm excited for it. Other point I wanted to bring up. I don't remember, actually. Good point.
00:54:41
Speaker
I concur. you have any final thoughts, Alex? No, nothing I haven't said already. I kind of got it all out of my system. You don't secretly hate the color grading? Yeah, how do you feel about the color grading?
00:54:54
Speaker
I was neutral on it. I was like, it did pop. I think it worked in some scenes, didn't work in others. Like some things deserve the popping. Others didn't pop pop. I didn't like, I didn't like the demon baby.
00:55:08
Speaker
Demon baby. What demon metamorphose kid. Yeah. That was creepy. I didn't, I didn't like that. and It looked weird. do you feel about metamorphose?
00:55:21
Speaker
I loved him. Same. I wanted more of him. Hope we get more. You guys seen Barry? Yeah. Not all it. That's no ho Hank.
00:55:33
Speaker
I had no idea. and didn't know. You had no ho idea? had no ho idea. I really like metamorpho. After finding out it was no ho Hank, I wish he had more time we'll get more time with him in the future, but the snippets that we did get, I enjoyed him.
00:55:51
Speaker
Yeah. He was awesome. Yeah. We haven't even talked about Lois or the day we've planet folks. Um, how did you guys feel about Lois and Clark before we move on?
00:56:02
Speaker
They give my favorite scene in the movie, which is at the very beginning. interview? The interview in the living room. It's my favorite scene. was like, yeah, they were cooking with gas on that scene. Mm-hmm. 20 minutes of straight dialogue. It was great. yeah In a superhero movie. That's crazy. That's unheard of.
00:56:19
Speaker
Mm-hmm. and it was very good i really enjoyed it i believe their relationship they have great chemistry taking it back to the snyder verse henry cavill amy adams no sparks at all it's like they just met literally every scene that they're in is just they're it's two walls talking to each other so this relationship was a breath of fresh air Like I said, David just bewitched me body and soul, and I don't think he could have done anything wrong.
00:56:53
Speaker
I liked how confrontational Lois was in this one. like She really felt like a reporter. Yeah. Even in like their relationship scenes, you could kind of see it bleeding through. you know I feel like you might relate to this Malik.
00:57:04
Speaker
If we're a date and we start using the sales voice or something... I mean, maybe I use it too much and that's why no one texts back, but I just wanted to make that joke. just like um But I mean, the one thing Amy Adams is Lois was so forgettable.
00:57:25
Speaker
She had like no screen presence. None. None. But this Lois commanded the screen when she was on it. Yep. They had another great scene in Lois's apartment, if I'm not mistaken, when they're kind of on the verge of of almost breaking up.
00:57:45
Speaker
and i can And I believe the emotions that we're seeing from these two characters and the turmoil that Lois herself is going through, kind of reconciling this relationship with Clark.
00:57:57
Speaker
And she tells him like, She's like, I don't know how you see the world this way. Like you, you see someone and you think they're beautiful. And like, I just don't get that.
00:58:08
Speaker
And so that was a very emotional scene that really worked for me. So their relationship is a, a stamp for me. Agreed. Are we ready for ratings?
00:58:19
Speaker
Is there anything? i think we should compare ratings with Fantastic Four at the end. Unless you guys object. We should give a rating for Superman right now. Sure. don't have an opinion.
00:58:30
Speaker
Break the tide, Tachi. I'm just giving now. There we go. Sorry. yeah do I mean,
00:58:41
Speaker
Malik, if you feel strongly enough, no we can do it now.
00:58:49
Speaker
Sorry, you got voted out. um Who's first? I guess I'll go because I got forced into this. Yeah, go ahead. I will give it a seven out of 10.
00:59:01
Speaker
So three and a half out of five. Okay. I will give it a four out of five or an eight out of 10. thought you were going to say four out of 10 because that's what I'm saying.
00:59:14
Speaker
I'm just kidding. Like I was saying in the beginning, I think walking out of this, i was not blown away. My expectations walking in were middle at best and sure, but I do really want to watch this again.
00:59:33
Speaker
i find myself thinking about it more. And like I said, like watching just interviews with David kind of has grown my appreciation of it. So I am excited to watch it again. so I'm feeling a three and a half out of five, seven out of 10.
00:59:49
Speaker
I think this is a good start. You could change the ah picture settings on your TV to make it less saturated. and Maybe you'll like it more. I'm going to make it black and white. I'm going to make it black and white and put black tape on the side of my TV to give it that 4-3 aspect ratio.
01:00:04
Speaker
Just how Snyder intended. and Snyder versus back, baby. If this movie tanks, the Snyderverse will come back. I think that's been a real talking point that people have been trying to make.
01:00:17
Speaker
Yep. The Snyder cells. That's to literally insane. Get some help. Guys. Go touch some grass. we I think we need to let the Snyder cells go. they They're gripping us. They are.
01:00:27
Speaker
They're gripping us harder than they're gripping for the movies. this is This is exactly what they wanted. But we're done with the Snyderverse. If you guys remember back to our Thunderbolts episode, we had posed the question on whether or not we felt the direction of the MCU was going in a good direction.
01:00:48
Speaker
um This is our first chance to ah kind of revisit that with the release of Matt Shackman's The Fantastic Four First Steps.
01:01:13
Speaker
Starring Pedro Pascal, Vanessa Kirby, Eben Moss, Bachrock, Joseph Quinn, Ralph Innocent, Julia Garner, and Paul Walter Hauser. I was going to say we should do our first impressions, but I remember we have our new segment.
01:01:27
Speaker
um Say it. What's it called? I don't remember. High middle High middle low.
01:01:36
Speaker
Very succinct. I believe Tachi, you were on five-star duty. So. ah sir. right. us with our five-star. This is from Jules, who's a patron on Letterboxd.
01:01:49
Speaker
Honestly, yes, this movie works very well. I must say this new family is introduced to us and you immediately feel them as a family. Their dynamics, their way of working together or facing threats together. They're all perfect.
01:02:01
Speaker
The 60s setting instantly gives off the sensation of literally being opening of literally being opening ah comic book. It creates this nostalgic feeling that can drive you crazy.
01:02:11
Speaker
The movie is definitely not perfect, which goes against my five-star rating, but that's just me unable to be a hater. First part is much more narrative and introductory, while the second part might be felt as more rushed and fast.
01:02:23
Speaker
Galactus is fucking scary, even though we don't see that much. And Silver Surfer's background could have definitely been explored more. The movie is funny, it's entertaining, and it makes you feel that good old MCU feeling. Many things clearly didn't work out, but the stuff that worked compensated those that didn't.
01:02:38
Speaker
So in the end, they were fantastic. I have a comment for this person. If you feel a movie is five stars, you don't have to justify. You don't have to make excuses for it. It's a five star for you.
01:02:52
Speaker
It's a five star for you. Live your truth, Jules. It's no one's scale but your own. Every so often I feel like there's one do you gotta justify.
01:03:05
Speaker
this one of those ones? Okay. I guess we'll find out. Coming in with our three-star review, we have Letterboxd user Matt Lynch, who is a pro, so better than us.
01:03:19
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um This one I thought was short and sweet, but I think it kind of says everything it needs to say in it. says not bad, or you could just watch The Incredibles again. Wait, do you guys not pay for Letterboxd?
01:03:30
Speaker
No. No. I want to, but I'm broke. Never have. Maybe will. guys want to change the posters? do really I really want to change the posters. but I love changing the posters.
01:03:46
Speaker
It's 50 bucks once a year, so I just do it and forget about it. The different posters are pretty cool. I'm not going to lie. They are. This one star review comes from Letterboxd user Guy Hildesheimer.
01:04:00
Speaker
Dull, extremely boring, and so unfunny. Didn't do anything to make me care for anything or anyone, especially and surprisingly the uncanny valley baby. Also, why is CGI so ugly these days?
01:04:12
Speaker
The Thing and Silver Surfer looked way better in previous films. A shame. I think that's because The Thing was practical in the last iteration.
01:04:24
Speaker
We'll talk about him. not and I mean, in the last iteration, he was CGI. The last iteration is Fant Forstic. He was practical in the 2005 films. Oh, yeah, what I meant.
01:04:37
Speaker
I totally forgot about the Michael B. Jordan one. It's okay. Yep, that's all right. Everyone should forget about that. Yeah, well we'll we'll definitely get into it. What is the vibe here? What was your guys' as excitement level? How did you feel walking out of the theater?
01:04:52
Speaker
And then we'll get to the good, the bad, and the ugly. We'll start with you, Alex. Um, I, as I said in our Thunderbolts episode, I was again, really cautiously optimistic. I thought Thunderbolts was like a, an MCU breath of fresh air.
01:05:06
Speaker
Um, but it really did feel like a step in the right direction. And so going into the theater, I was, again, like, I think every time we ask this, I always say cautiously optimistic.
01:05:21
Speaker
um I was really cautiously optimistic. um I i had admittedly was probably tempering my expectations a little more than I was for like Superman. you know i was I was very open to giving it a shot.
01:05:34
Speaker
I want the MCU to be a thing again. That's watchable. and Was that the end?
01:05:44
Speaker
I guess. Oh, I thought you had more too. your face Your face said that you had more to say. But it's a good starting point. um Yeah, also don't want to say cautiously optimistic again, but I will.
01:06:00
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I was also cautiously optimistic here. I really dug the look out of once the trailers kind of came out for this. I was kind of iffy on the cast, but like we said, cautiously cautiously optimistic.
01:06:15
Speaker
Walking out of the theater. I walked out with mixed feelings. Not going to lie. Spoiler review or spoiler um for how I feel. What about you, Tachi? You're not going to believe it, but I was also cautiously optimistic.
01:06:30
Speaker
Whoa. Yeah. Breaking news. Say that again. I was really hopeful that it would... pleasantly surprised me like thunderbolts did obviously expectations were a little different because the marketing for this movie the effort to market it was way higher because they i guess the the studio knows that things are looking a little dire heading into doomsday but i felt not whelmed better than whelmed Cause I did enjoy it.
01:07:02
Speaker
Ultimately it was good and we can, we can dig deeper and in a second, but yeah, that was like my immediate feeling afterwards. All right, let's get into the good.
01:07:13
Speaker
okay good I'll kick it off. I love the look of this movie. I love the 60s retro future yeah style they got going on. If I'm not mistaken, I think one of the set direct set decorators from Loki was heading this movie. I think Loki looks fantastic. And so if that's true, um don't have the sources to confirm.
01:07:34
Speaker
Glad that they worked on this movie. Looked really cool. Just love the use of old but new technology. Very Jetsons. Yep. Very retro. Super refreshing from like anything that we've seen in the MCU thus far, which I think that was holding a lot of the weight for me in terms of enjoyment and expectations coming into this and coming out of it so I think this movie looks really good ah love the world that this Earth 828 is set in is said in good stuff all around to jump off that really quickly. I didn't know that the set decorator was the same as Loki, but now that I think about it, the TVA and Loki was like a retro futuristic thing. So I think the set decorator is just really great with like kind of this vibe, this aesthetic. Yeah.
01:08:24
Speaker
Yeah. So yeah, great work. doing Great job. Good points from you guys. i um I echo that. I really think that... um the I'm trying to think of a way to sound like I'm not just repeating you guys.
01:08:36
Speaker
I think the the look is what made me the most intrigued about this movie going in. It did look different. And I also really enjoyed um The Thing and Johnny Storm's performances.
01:08:50
Speaker
I really liked both those two characters liked... i like Every main character in this movie. The standouts though, I do agree. um Personally, The Thing and Johnny Storm.
01:09:05
Speaker
ah Vanessa Kirby was pretty good too. It left me wanting more. also did like, I'm sorry, is it Julia or Julie Gardner? Julia. julia okay yeah i thought she was really interesting as a silver surfer i liked her i guess her her vibe the the choices that she made and uh the herald was really cool the herald scene everybody loves it though it was it was it was cool that was probably my favorite scene of the movie yeah i want to talk about the uh
01:09:40
Speaker
The first meeting of Galactus. Because that is a standout scene. The the space sequence. The space sequence. That was by far my favorite part of the movie.
01:09:52
Speaker
That's got to be some of, like one of the coolest scenes I think that the MCU has done. Yeah. Just the shots of her riding through the the black hole. Two movies we're talking about today feature black holes.
01:10:04
Speaker
Real quick, who had the better black hole scene? Superman or Fantastic Four? Fantastic Four. I will say Fantastic Four. Yeah. I don't even think it's particularly close.
01:10:16
Speaker
No. I'm going to begrudgingly say Fantastic Four, even though I think it was just a straight rip from Interstellar.
01:10:28
Speaker
I won't deny it, but they still nailed it. So. It was it was it looked good. It was a little different. It had a like the the asteroid belt, which is cool.
01:10:41
Speaker
It did have the asteroid. It also had the the childbirth. Yeah. Anne Hathaway wasn't birthing in Interstellar. um But Johnny just immediately jumping into action ah when they were on Galactus' ship was awesome.
01:10:57
Speaker
I really liked the no hesitation, just immediately trying to fix the situation. what What does Sue say?
01:11:08
Speaker
Johnny, she wants your nephew. Kill her. Something like that, yeah. That was sick. Yeah, that was pretty sick. Another good. I really like the design of the thing. The beard was sick.
01:11:22
Speaker
I think he looks awesome. The beard was was really cool.
01:11:26
Speaker
Alex disagrees. It kind of ties into a bad for me. Because the thing was extremely underutilized. Agreed. And I think a lot of people would agree where, i mean, you can also tell in the trailers, just go back and watch the trailer.
01:11:47
Speaker
And there's so many scenes that just were not in this movie. Like this movie was for sure ah victim of the editing board. We need the Shaq and It kind like it in parts.
01:11:58
Speaker
It feels like it. It feels like there's gaps. Yeah. Like there's unfinished arcs. And I think the thing is a result of some of those edits and cuts.
01:12:10
Speaker
Which I think is a shame because I thought... Ebon did a really great job as the Thing. Like i said, I love the design of him as well. And I wish we got more of him.
01:12:22
Speaker
And dare I say, besides the look, I prefer the character of the Thing more in the early Fantastic Four movies. He's got more gusto to him. He's got more of that emotional turmoil that I think the Thing is has always had. And I just wish that we had more of that.
01:12:48
Speaker
Now, when you say the earlier Fantastic Four movies, are you including Forstic? No.
01:12:56
Speaker
I'm not. Is it ever including Forstic? will never include Van Forstic. That's not even a movie where it's just like everyone's hating on it, like Nickelback for fun. Where it's like, oh, it's just cool to hate on Van Forstic. It's just legit not a good movie.
01:13:15
Speaker
But my favorite
01:13:18
Speaker
my favorite part in Fan4Stick is finding out that Ben's catchphrase of it's clobbering time came from his brother that would beat him.
01:13:29
Speaker
And that's what he would say. What?
01:13:42
Speaker
That's not real.
01:13:44
Speaker
That's not real. There's no way that's real.
01:13:49
Speaker
It's real.
01:13:53
Speaker
And that's where the the phrase came
01:14:08
Speaker
Well, speaking of phrases, we didn't get Johnny's flame on. Yeah, boo. Yeah, what's that about? I don't know what that's about. Come on, Disney. They're saving it like an Avengers Assemble.
01:14:19
Speaker
Give us what Let's talk about Mr. Fantastic. From our own Mr. Fantastic, Pedro. I think it was just fine. I wasn't disappointed. Well, I guess I'm disappointed that it wasn't better, but I didn't really particularly have a problem with it.
01:14:38
Speaker
What did you think what do you think could have been better from his character? I'll say I did like... I guess this is more of a ah note on the script. They did a lot of show not tell on his intelligence, which was nice.
01:14:52
Speaker
Yeah. Maybe this is a ah critique on the whole movie. Outside of Johnny, and I guess Sue... But the thing and Reed, their powers were just like not really relevant at all.
01:15:08
Speaker
Almost not used whatsoever. Yeah. We had the one scene of the thing taking out the building columns. And I don't remember anything else. And Reed got stretched a little bit.
01:15:22
Speaker
And that's it. He got stretched out. Yeah, he got stretched out. Yeah.
01:15:29
Speaker
I will say coming into this episode, I've been thinking a lot about Pedro's performance in this and was just kind of snooping around x to see like what else people were saying about it.
01:15:42
Speaker
i I'm not like I'm not huge on the Fantastic Four. Like I'll like I'll be completely honest. I don't think I really care for this group of individuals.
01:15:54
Speaker
That's not a knock on this movie. I think that's just in general. Just who they are. it's just It's just who they are because we've got the early 2000s ones. Were they cool as a kid? Sure. You watch them now.
01:16:05
Speaker
Not good. We got Fant4Stick. Horrible. I think it's safe to say that this is the best Fantastic Four movie we have. But I just don't think I truly care for these characters.
01:16:20
Speaker
That's fair. I think they lack the sauce. I think they lack the sauce. i would agree, except for Johnny. I think Johnny has sauce. He's got a little sauce. yeah Johnny was my least favorite part of this movie.
01:16:33
Speaker
Why? Really? I just, I didn't like the performance from Joseph Quinn. But why? It felt, I don't know, to me, it just, like, Johnny is been framed as this hothead. He's kind of more of like our are comedic relief at times, I would say, from not only from this movie, but from past.
01:16:58
Speaker
I don't know. I just didn't believe Joseph Quinn as as Johnny. Like, I can't really pinpoint it. It just didn't work for me.
01:17:10
Speaker
Do you think it's because of the... first impression you got from chris evans johnny that was just like ah total douche or no because like i didn't get the feeling that he was going to be reminiscent of chris evans take on the character as like douchey from the trailers so like there were because those past movies have our bottom of the barrel There weren't expectations that I had set upon these actors or characters coming into this.
01:17:44
Speaker
Like I felt like I was like a fresh, like clean slate. Gotcha. I think he was written really well. He actually felt like an intelligent person that could be an astronaut.
01:17:58
Speaker
I did enjoy that. Yeah. So I think. I think for like the douchey angle, if that was it, Chris Evans does a really good job of it for Joseph Quinn. I do appreciate that. We do get him on the sideline, kind of figuring out the silver surfers language on his own and wanting to do that own thing. Like now, now it's believable.
01:18:22
Speaker
This is something that I didn't know that I had a problem with in the past movies, but it's believable in this movie that these four were astronauts, right? Astronauts are very intelligent people. They're brilliant.
01:18:34
Speaker
And this movie made me realize i'm like, oh, I didn't get that vibe from the past characters like at all. But with this group, I do. So I do think the movie did a good job as far as that goes. I just can't pinpoint why Joseph Quinn doesn't work for me.
01:18:47
Speaker
Do you think was the hair? I know. Bad wig.
01:18:53
Speaker
He just looks too much like Ellen. I think that might be it. That edit was unreal. Isn't that crazy? It's uncanny, yeah. That was too much.
01:19:06
Speaker
Alex, you've been quietly laughing in the corner. I'm ready for ah ah a good or a bad from you. What are your thoughts? I can't get over the it's clobbering time thing.
01:19:19
Speaker
i'm not I'm not trying to make light of abuse because it's bad but um it's just an interesting choice just imagine like like your brother beats you and like and he has a catchphrase you're playing video games you just hear it's clobbering time it comes and beats your ass like why And then that becomes catchphrase. You're taking the power back. Yeah. yeah ah um
01:20:01
Speaker
Good. think I've used up all my goods. You have one. I'm ready to talk about the bads. Okay. Okay.
Fantastic Four Movie Critiques
01:20:12
Speaker
Go ahead.
01:20:13
Speaker
Kick it off.
01:20:15
Speaker
I think. This was a not good script.
01:20:25
Speaker
Almost at all. um I understand this movie probably suffered a lot from cuts in the edits. It probably could have been 20 minutes longer.
01:20:37
Speaker
Like it felt too short. Should have been. But the entirety of this plot hinges on a decision that is spoiled in the trailer. So I feel kind i feel comfortable spoiling it to you, the listener.
01:20:55
Speaker
And if you somehow avoided the trailers, you want to skip it, then I don't know, do what you ever want to do. um But... The decision that Galactus forces upon the Fantastic Four is that they need to give up their unborn child to Galactus in exchange for the fate of humanity.
01:21:19
Speaker
And they all immediately decide no.
01:21:25
Speaker
I don't think that it should have been that cut and dry. And I think the script really suffered from that. Mm-hmm. Um, Mr. Fantastic is the, like, smartest guy on the planet. He's very pragmatic.
01:21:37
Speaker
Um, there should have been a huge moral dilemma that he had about the decision. Because I think it would have been
01:21:50
Speaker
way more than what we got. They did show it a little bit, but it was literally just, like, glupshedowing a moral dilemma into the movie. Um, It didn't ever feel like that, even though they were they were angling it to be, that it was like, this is actually like a decision that he's mulling over. if it's Even though it was the logical one. Because it really, like, I frankly think it's the logical decision.
01:22:16
Speaker
I mean, and they just kind of breeze over it. Everybody in the universe kind of just breezes over it And it's like, oh, no, we can't do that. Because it's bad.
01:22:28
Speaker
like, well, yeah, but... that would make an interesting, a really interesting plot, especially for like a Marvel movie to, to go and take that kind of almost philosophical road.
01:22:40
Speaker
Um, I don't want to get like too deep or anything like that, but it's like explore that Avenue. I don't think they did. Instead, we kind of got a, um, a brain versus brawn ending where it just turned into brawn versus brawn.
01:22:59
Speaker
Like they didn't, ah they kind of wrote themselves into a hole where it's like, oh, like they we need to have like them outsmart Galactus, and they didn't, and then they just beat him up.
01:23:13
Speaker
And that's, I was just like, like that wasn't what I was looking for. And then the last bad that was at the top of my head coming into this episode. And oh my God, it pissed me off so much.
01:23:29
Speaker
Um, again, this is like a real spoiler. It's not in the trailer. Um, so if you want to skip it, I guess, turn the episode off at this point. Um,
01:23:40
Speaker
I am so, so, so sick of all these major studios with these stupid fake-out deaths. Stop it. ah Kill somebody. For God's sake, let somebody die or don't do it at all. I am done. I am sick of it. We have seen it in every single flippin' Disney movie ever.
01:24:01
Speaker
Ever, if I feel like, for the last five to ten years. I am so sick of that trope. To the point where, um before it happened, before the Magic Space Baby saved um ah Sue Storm, before they even have it, I literally leaned over to Malik in a theater where they will throw you out for talking because I needed to say, baby's going to bring her back.
01:24:26
Speaker
yeah Like five minutes before. As soon as she was like overstretching her powers, I'm like, she's gone, baby comes back. And then seconds later, you leaned over, baby brings brings her back.
01:24:38
Speaker
It just takes the emotional weight of what she's doing. It just takes me out of it. They also already announced she's in Doomsday. so That too. I was also thinking about like the cast announcements that we got. I'm like, okay, we'll...
01:24:53
Speaker
Yeah. So it's like, even if they didn't announce the cast, I still would have had these thoughts, but that's just a double whammy. Because I'm like, oh, maybe like if there was ever like any like ounce of doubt on my end in the theater, like, oh my God, maybe she does die.
01:25:09
Speaker
That's just immediately squandered by doomsday. I don't know, guys. Is Taskmaster going to... Do you guys think that maybe...
01:25:23
Speaker
Galactus and Silver Surfer were too big of an introduction for our first Fantastic Four movie? Probably. Because I've been thinking... but No, no, no, you go.
01:25:37
Speaker
Because, I mean, that's kind of just like what I was thinking. We look back to the early 2000s movies. The Silver Surfer comes out in the and the in the second film. think Fanfare Stig is the first one, but again, awful movie. Yeah.
01:25:50
Speaker
My favorite part of this movie is like the first 45 minutes to an hour. yeah I really love the newscast intro giving us the rundown of this family, what happened to them.
01:26:03
Speaker
We don't need a full origin story of the Fantastic Four. like It's pretty quick, and I think they executed that part very well. If you walk into this movie not knowing anything about the Fantastic Four, you get the gist of it.
01:26:15
Speaker
And then we get the montage of them coming into their powers as this family staying together as they take on these these villain of the weeks throughout however many years that they've been doing this.
01:26:27
Speaker
I really, really like that part of the movie. And i kind of wish that the movie was just that. getting more of the family dynamic, seeing how they are kind of coming into their, into their powers and how they still are utilizing like their, their science backgrounds and how they're dealing with these new powers and what they want to do to make the world a safer place.
01:26:50
Speaker
Cause this movie feels very contained. The thing this movie had going for it was that it's not connected to anything in the MCU right now. Like it was a completely new universe, new heroes that we haven't seen, just a completely fresh slate.
01:27:10
Speaker
So I kind of wish that that was the direction they went. So I just feel like at the end of the day, Galactus and Silver Surfer might have just been too big of a task. And I think that just ties into Marvel wanting to pump all these movies out as quick as they can and like recreate that magic that we had with Infinity War and Endgame. Because I think the next movie is Doomsday next year.
01:27:32
Speaker
But I'm like, where... why should we care about what's coming next when like we look at the past and we had the 10 years before infinity war like building up this entire saga like i would have loved to have that kind of slow treatment to the fantastic four and so i watched this movie and yes i'm having a good time on the back of my mind i'm always thinking like it's doomsday next this is like, this is it.
01:28:02
Speaker
Like as contained as the story is and as nice that that is, that like, that's it. You know? Here's why you should care. Robert Downey Jr. is Dr. Doom.
01:28:15
Speaker
There is another double whammy.
01:28:21
Speaker
being paid That's why you should care. Oh.
01:28:25
Speaker
o
01:28:28
Speaker
let's Not actually, but too close to 500 million.
01:28:36
Speaker
um Also, John Malkovich was completely cut out of this movie. He was in this movie? Yep. Well, he was supposed to be. He was the ah the scientist who had the apes that they beat up for like two seconds in the montage.
01:28:53
Speaker
He's in one of the trailers. You see a shot of him. Oh, I forgot about the apes. I think um my problem with the ending, on top of what you've already stated, the the fight with Galactus, one, i don't think Galactus had any sauce because it seems like his whole driving force is to unalive himself.
01:29:21
Speaker
And... YouTube's not going to deplatform us. Yeah. I don't know. it's just like It was a strange villain to choose because the villain doesn't even want to be there.
01:29:37
Speaker
He doesn't want to be alive. So there's really no conflict. And I guess that's why they took the baby angle of of that being the crux of the the climax.
01:29:51
Speaker
He was trying to protect Franklin. But I don't know. It's just kind of strange. Yeah. And then there's like another third party with the silver surfer who you're not really sure.
01:30:04
Speaker
i guess you're kind of sure that they're leaning good, but it was just a lot of vagueness all wrapped into what was kind of a lame fight.
01:30:18
Speaker
I don't know. I just feel like all these things are compounding on each other. Like Alex said before, where they had the opportunity to outsmart Galactus and then it just became a brawl and the brawl wasn't even that great.
01:30:32
Speaker
So I agree. That's why I loved the, that sequence in space because the stakes felt higher.
01:30:43
Speaker
The conflict was cool and interesting hu the visuals were awesome the visuals and their their their fight downtown was left a little to be desired i don't know this the second half was pretty disappointing it down yeah yeah like people people are saying that this movie is like very well paced i think it's just quick yeah it's too It's too quick.
01:31:15
Speaker
We can feel the cuts. There's just... There's there's meat missing. You want hear my problem with the space scene? Sure. They make the mention of like, oh, when we do this black hole surfing, it's going to be like a time jump.
01:31:33
Speaker
And then it's like only like a month. But they like made the mention of it, and then like, oh, relativity, this, that, and the other thing. The light speed that they did would also bring that into effect. and it was just like, nah, it it was like it was they wouldn't have been gone for a month. They would have been gone for. 15 years.
01:31:53
Speaker
I that was expecting something drastic. Yeah, that would have been really cool. Hmm. Like a. A populist reaction to the Fantastic Four.
01:32:06
Speaker
disappearing for 15 years and then coming back. That would have been really interesting. ah Feeling like they got abandoned by them. Yeah. Alex, I think you would have been like more on the hate train though. Cause that's just more interstellar.
01:32:19
Speaker
I would have, but don't mention it if you're not going to do it.
01:32:25
Speaker
It's like, you know, if you're, if you're gonna like, if you're going to break out like the relativity and the math and the science behind it, like, Don't half-ass it.
01:32:36
Speaker
I just got live feedback on that take.
MCU's Future & Casting Concerns
01:32:40
Speaker
I would like a little bit more information on Sue's powers because it was still is a total mystery.
01:32:48
Speaker
I don't know what or who she is or what she does. It's just colorful air. ben like She can bend light and turn in invisible. They should have said that.
01:33:00
Speaker
They didn't say anything. It's implied. Colored hair? I don't know. Imagine how much the colors would have popped if it had Superman grading.
01:33:14
Speaker
This movie needed it. Jokes. Oh, speaking of how it looked. The CGI for the most part. Kind of terrible.
01:33:26
Speaker
but you know like Hated how Johnny looked. Johnny looked awful. We got a bad Twilight CGI. I hate that baby. Looks like Renesmee. It all boils down to the baby.
01:33:39
Speaker
Everything boils down. Just get rid of the baby. No more babies. no No more babies.
01:33:48
Speaker
We would have been in those riots. Give us the baby. and when sue was talking out of in in the background is' like boo the u.s reported um someone in the u.s not our country um there's report that came out that for the first time in history the birth rate declined ah so that's that's neat fewer babies fewer let's decrease those numbers guys so
01:34:18
Speaker
i kept um i kept thinking that during Sue's speech about the baby that she was going to get Joe crossed. This is from across the way. Yeah, she sniped.
01:34:31
Speaker
That would be nuts. The baby would have brought her back, so it would have been fine.
01:34:38
Speaker
Did you guys believe them as a family? Are they a family to you? No. That's like their whole thing. That's like everything. It felt like... It felt a lot like... felt like Friends. so
01:34:54
Speaker
Situationship family.
01:34:58
Speaker
It was giving the Jersey Shore. sure Really? I'm just kidding. um Good question.
01:35:10
Speaker
No. I wonder if really all of the film's major problems just comes down to what was cut. I guess we'll never know, but... It just made some interesting choices for an introductory movie.
01:35:25
Speaker
Yeah. For the Fantastic Four. It kind of just bit off more than it could chew. I think we can say with confidence that it definitely cut some extended version of the Thing's love plot.
01:35:40
Speaker
For sure. I mean... Oh, yeah. and They got the two scenes together. It was just like so underbaked, and it just I feel like it answered no questions. like How would that even work?
01:35:55
Speaker
That's what the people want to know. Physically? Yeah. That was the first question he asked out of the theater. I'm like, you go home and you Google that on your own time. I did. It it didn't answer anything. I'm just confused.
01:36:13
Speaker
guys have any final thoughts or anything good you want to shout out? I feel like we left it on a sour note for Fantastic Four. I still view it as mostly entertaining. I will classify it as a good MCU movie.
01:36:29
Speaker
it's It's not you know like ah Brave New World or whatever was called. Cap 4. Oh, yeah. But um I'm just disappointed that it wasn't better.
01:36:41
Speaker
ah Yeah, I think I can, I'll be able to look back on this and maybe appreciate the small glimpse that we had into this world.
01:36:52
Speaker
of this unconnectivity. But like I said, it's just thought it's like a weed that grows in the back of my mind. We get the mid-credit post-scene, and then we get the title card. Fantastic Four will be back in Avengers Doomsday.
01:37:06
Speaker
So I just feel like once i feel like just once the credits roll, like that's kind of it for me. like I don't think we're... We're gonna we're not going to get any further... development on this family or their characters or them as individuals like that's gone basically I can't foresee like sequels to this just team ups but we're we're trading that for Robert Downey Jr. as Dr. Doom oh god do you think the baby repaired his face in the post credit scene so that's why we're gonna get no mask doom we're getting no mask doom we have to
01:37:43
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They sunk $500 million dollars into Robert Downey Jr. Let me see how much he's actually getting paid. I think I saw was like $80 million. That's closer to $500 million than zero is. so I think the $500 is the budget and then $80 of it is RDJ. It's close to $100 million.
01:38:03
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It's around there. That's obscene. Yeah, he's going to be masked up for maybe two seconds. Maybe his reveal. And then he's going to take it off for the rest of the movie.
01:38:17
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Man, we'll see. My excitement level for that movie is quite literally negative. I just don't know how they're going to pull it together to have a cohesive story.
01:38:28
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it It won't be cohesive. There's no way. They haven't even finished writing the script. And they're shooting it right now. Do you think that's real or do you think that's just like fabricated? DCU? Yeah.
01:38:42
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The Snyder sells at it again. i mean, it's come from a couple of the actors like on set, like the actress playing Mystique. She's like, oh, I don't know if I'm done shooting it.
01:38:52
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Like they're still working on the script. steve Like she said that from X-Men. How are the X-Men going to be in this? Like what? Why are they? X-Men. they There are going to be dozens of characters in Avengers Doomsday.
01:39:07
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That's how I can guarantee this movie will not be cohesive. We're going to get no Thunderbolts and they would be the best part of the movie. That's what makes me sad about Thunderbolts too. like I enjoy Thunderbolts more than Fantastic Four.
01:39:20
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yeah But that's also I'm just going to have to look back and just be like, you look good over there. At the ah the top of this segment, I posed the question, or looked back as to to how we felt about the MCU going forward after Thunderbolts.
01:39:36
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ah How do we feel it going forward for after Fantastic Four? I think I know the answer based on what we just said, but to put bow on it. Not good, Not good.
01:39:48
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They have quite a challenge ahead of them based on how they set everything up.
01:39:55
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Again, i think this could all be solved if they stopped.
01:40:03
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They're turning into the MC poo.
01:40:07
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Nice. Like there was no, like Endgame was great. That was a once in a lifetime generational run. Yep. We should have had a break and I will die on that hill.
01:40:21
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I think we had just two months and then Spider-Man came out. They just keep showing up to the bar in their high school varsity jacket. Yeah. Just, just stop, dude.
01:40:34
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If they didn't break their leg, they would have gone pro.
01:40:40
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What are we giving this movie? Time for ratings. Let's wrap this up. Sure. Here's how I feel. I feel like a two and a half is too harsh. So I'll give it a three. Six out of ten.
01:40:51
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Tachi? I'll give it a 3.5 out of five. um I'm not sure how I'm going translate that to a ten scale, but i had a a lot of fun with the first half, so I can't really forget that.
01:41:06
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Yeah, that's how I feel. Oh my god, I just remembered... During the first half, kind of towards the the tail end of the space sequence, I was like, oh my God, like this is so good.
01:41:18
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How is this going to continue for the rest of the movie? I was so excited for what was coming next. And I was just slowly getting more and more disappointed. Just went down. Yeah.
01:41:28
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But anyways, yeah, first I was great. So i I can't just neglect that entirely and and how good it made me feel. Yeah. So three and a half, which I think is fair.
01:41:40
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um Taking you to the count that four people wrote this script, I think a two and a half is very apt. So a five or ten. Four people wrote this script. That's nuts.
01:41:53
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All of you.
01:41:56
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should be
01:42:04
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It's fantastic.
01:42:09
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Say that again.
01:42:14
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It's clobbering time. Maybe they wrote it playing like the telephone game.
01:42:21
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They're all in different offices in the building.
01:42:26
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Just seeing what they can remember.
01:42:29
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Well, that about does it, folks. That was our super fantastic episode. I'll leave us with one last question. You guys prefer Superman or the Fantastic Four for this year?
01:42:42
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Superman. Do math. We have a winner. Look, up in the sky it's a bird. It's a plane. It's Superman. Anything else that you guys want to say before we sign off for the night?
01:42:53
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I feel like To everyone who listened, who liked Fantastic Four and didn't like my take. So there's a a group of you that diligently listen. and I do love and appreciate every single one of you.
01:43:07
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um I know you guys all of Fantastic Four. And so I just like to say, um, cope.
01:43:18
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If you love this movie, I'm extremely happy for you. But these are just our opinions. We'd love to hear yours. Give us some fan mail. Hate on us.
01:43:30
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Make us cry. Clobber verbally.
01:43:35
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Subject, it's clobbering time.
01:43:40
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Thank you so much for listening. Have a great night, day, weekend, wherever you are at. We'll see you next week. Love you.